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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 11:12:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920627 << the permanence bullshit was uninteresting at all points. the important part is to make it fucking good while it lasts, which is why hitler, napoleon etc are way the fuck better candidates for "won at life" than whatever tedious episcopalian, boring cripple, wanna-be black man or w/e the shit the us keeps pulling out of its asshole. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. idea is 'it'll go like pilsudski and not napoleon' ?
asciilifeform: what did napoleon(?) say , 'crown fell into mud, so i pulled it out'
asciilifeform: like napoleon's 'there is a marshall's baton in erry private's rucksack' item.
asciilifeform: d00d was quite definitely a sort of napoleon, had all kindsa 'let's try things' inclinations.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.
asciilifeform: lotsa napoleons walking about freely.
asciilifeform: 'napoleon in asylum' joke used to be a staple, but i noticed i dun see it often any moar
mircea_popescu: there were a number of leadership lines trying to deal with it. there was the cicero- "be manlier" writer line. there was the caesar "divine right of great people" line. there was the pre-nero/napoleon fuck it all and let's party line (recall the schmuck that adopted himself by a peon to qualify for plebeian dignities ?)
mircea_popescu: stage 2 : the french grasp that the end of feudalism is not "progress", but literal "the end", proceed to huge party called napoleon ; the brits copy them some half century later, except their idea of a party is victorian england
mircea_popescu: yes "stalin industrialized" ; but much like "napoleon reformed", he didn't follow upon an empty lot. lotta mazarin work for the king went into the preparatory phase.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have the following elements : I[ndustry], producing goods whichg can be exported and needing materials and equipment to be imported ; and P[opulace], expecting to be paid a living wage (anyone's pretense to the contrary are idle, all the advanced socialist peons want or ever wanted was "cash for being here", that'\s why socialist states even exist or ever existed, to provide that, from napoleonic france onward) an
asciilifeform: (and observe that napoleonic ordnance is still sometimes found. not even to speak of ww2.)
mircea_popescu: venice, for instance, was nominally ended by napoleon, but it actually transformed beyond functionality once charles soldiers got the girls so fucking wet centuries prior.
mircea_popescu: trinque, let me tell you a story. so during napoleon era, for the first time "general army" was introduced, before that it was all profesisonal soldiery. huge humongous legions of draft dodgers, because really now, draft ? and napoleon standing for the "reasoning" "humanism" thingee of course introduced doctors to check whether medical claims were factual (most common amongst which, blindness).
a111: Logged on 2014-02-26 14:52 mircea_popescu: they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"
a111: Logged on 2018-03-24 01:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my considered oppinion that had napoleon switched the fleet to ironclads and had the french state not been permitted to operate any railroads, they'd have rebounded.
mircea_popescu: 1. when presented the steam engine, napoleon failed to see what's so great about it, resulting in no french steamboats. 2. once the english started using the steam engine in land mobility applications, the french incredibly idiotically made their railroads state property, thus ensuring they had no technology and no experts on hand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.
asciilifeform: who was it, napoleon, 'if only there were a bullet here for me, i will be remembered as a great hero'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:04 asciilifeform: napoleon's syndrome?
asciilifeform: napoleon's syndrome? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this happened because the minimalistic religion of the time appealed to people "who just wanted to", and really didn't see why they should pay court to napoleon when there were volumes to measure say.
asciilifeform: bbut napoleon!11
asciilifeform: napoleon's 'marshall's baton in the knapsack of every soldier' is a lulgag
asciilifeform: to certain (limited, as observed by napoleon himself, 'can do whatever with bayonet, but not sit on it' extent -- the bayonet up the arse is incentive
mircea_popescu: well, so applying this to the french revolution point of interest -- you're going to end up with a lot of "kings are bad, mkay, notwithstanding monarchy is the only workable system" because... because how else is napoleon to pass legislation allowing pregnant women to eat anything off the market stalls and not be punished for it ?
asciilifeform: proverbial!11 london. as in, separate addr for every particular derp with napoleonic ambitions
mircea_popescu: survived napoleon somehow, got wiped by a guy who literally believed earth is flat.
mircea_popescu: you know, dude was a better napoleon in the sense the term's usually used. he certainly didn'\t fucking forget about a whole army corps etc.
a111: 148 results for "\"napoleon\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22napoleon%22
mircea_popescu: !#s "napoleon"
asciilifeform: it's like putting napoleon in a tricorn.
mircea_popescu: there was one major cultural power in the time uncultivated minds can furthest think back to, a time whose murmurs come to them through the great-grandparents, and that time wasn't napoleon 3's paris. it was vienna.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could propose they were some sort of minor nobility or whatever, but it's at best tenuous. for all intents and purposes napoleon was a sort of hitler, lower middle class at best.
mircea_popescu: napoleon was a plebe.
user705: if anything the letters of napoleon show the opposite. obviously eating out didn't get invented yesterday but if anything what the royal monarch did it was not for the plebes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689201 << nonsense, read napoleon's letters to the j-slut. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i met folx who were napoleon in private. worked great... ( for them )
mircea_popescu: stalin's industrializatrion fires were stoked by litographs of the batiushka tzar ; and napoleon's grandee armee was powered by the invisible machinery of richelieu and mazarin.
erlehmann: consider that idiots like hitler, napoleon etc. pp. found war more profitable than peace
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is more complicated. original church was very much republic, much like original us presidency. then the socialistards got roosevelt in and broke it. similarily to how empire meant something, before napoleon.
asciilifeform: and to hear the inmates, in every asylum - 100 napoleons
asciilifeform: mega-napoleon
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the imbecile lists FUCKING NAPOLEON among "truth, beauty and seriousness" ? the dude with the white dickpants ? THE CAMPIEST CHARACTER OF ALL HISTORY ?!
mircea_popescu: (fellow was trusted by "everyone" to have best infos as to the situation in europe ; when he offered half price for the bond tranche everyone erroneously decided napoleon had won.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. war in this sense, as in napoleon invading, is a loss of information. ie, library burning.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi who, but very telling that there are now fake mircea_popescus in the psych wards in place of the old napoleons.
BingoBoingo: Well how else do they find BEST napoleon unless they make them compete?
asciilifeform: works until the folks in white coats come to take the napoleon to the other napoleons.
asciilifeform: this idiocy is as old as man - 'i'ma pick this here rock and call myself napoleon of it'
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-10#1554335 << speaking of which, i really dun care about jews either in the "they r eating our babiez" sense nor the "we r the chozen peeple" sense. the former is out of fashion thanks to black organics and the latter is a napoleonically monumental delusion. ☝︎
thestringpuller: Gotta figure out how you are able to manage the Napoleon sleep schedule.
asciilifeform: loonybin napoleons hold 0 thrones.
mircea_popescu: the only burden of proof is on ridiculous short man with napoleon delusions giving god ultimatums and then pretending the "burden of proof", as if such a thing could even exist in the nonsensical context, is on this or that.
asciilifeform: recall how napoleon was 'shortened' ?
mircea_popescu: but youy can't "want to be hot" "like napoleon" ffs.
asciilifeform: 'napoleon' is typically shorthand for 'effective napoleon', unless the asylum is explicitly specified, neh ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, there was no shortage of napoleons, even at the time of napoleon.
mircea_popescu: you can not "BE" napoleon ffs. what is with all this label-based categorical thinking.
mircea_popescu: napoleon is essentially 1700s herostratus. a more successful histrion, but that's a matter of circumstance mostly.
asciilifeform: what, laser beam from the heavens has to illuminate you before you can finally napoleon ?
mircea_popescu: fewer napoleons, more cincinnatii would be widely preferable.
asciilifeform: if everybody followed this dictum, there'd be no napoleon at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is just as strange a question as 'how do i distinguish if i am ceo', or napoleon, etc.
asciilifeform: like a hand-crafted napoleon bicorn lovingly stitched from asylum bedsheets
asciilifeform: it is almost as if they all heard napoleon's 'in every private's rucksack there is a feldmarshal's baton'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: napoleon's army was demolished by poles?!
mircea_popescu: inca does qualify. nothing in europe pre napoleon does, nor does england crown pre ww1.
asciilifeform: napoleonic war tech.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474053 << lmao check it out, napoleon iii pretension lives through the colonies! which are illiterate still! ☝︎
Framedragger: k, i see the.. angle. i suppose you belief in them having to adapt or die comes from most of your endeavours of the kind succeeding? which - don't get me wrong - is very admirable - but, like, it requires napoleonic levels of confidence. not that it's bad in and of itself
asciilifeform: but when you fully grasp that 'i won't be napoleon' or whatever.
asciilifeform: 'in every private's rucksack, a marshall's baton' (napoleon!)
mircea_popescu: like it or not, part of us, like the iliterate mother part of napoleon.
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trinque: ascii_butugychag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Napoleon_tomb_bordercropped.jpg << found him for you
ascii_butugychag: take me to where they keep the napoleons.
mircea_popescu: still, you know, from that same link : "Lucotte et al. (2010) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared it to that of his mother, Letizia, and his younger sister Caroline. All three shared the same rare 16184T mutation, which places them within haplogroup H15a1b.
ascii_butugychag: they are full of 'napoleons', but also there is always a reasonable number of 'glass pitchers', 'acorns', etc
mircea_popescu: why were the asylums full of napoleons rather than perigords ?
thestringpuller: Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading.
mircea_popescu: right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other.
thestringpuller: seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe."
asciilifeform: i get it, there is a fashion in the derp army of going around and 'i'm a visual thinker!11111'. this changes nothing. there are napoleons in your local loony bin, does not change the historic fact of napoleon.
asciilifeform: if that were the only kind that counted, folks would be happy to wear the napoleon hat at the nuttery
adlai preps the leaflets: "When was the last time anybody actually verified the seals on Napoleon's tomb? All seven of them!?"
ascii_rear: nobody other than mircea_popescu (and napoleon?) ever rode on a horse in egypt ?
mircea_popescu: same penis is used to make kids as made napoleon, too.
asciilifeform: i can more readily grasp the napoleon, yes
asciilifeform: i suppose asylum contains both napoleon ~and~ the i'm-a-glass-of-water types
ascii_field: and 'real self' is... what? napoleon ?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: 2 legs good, 4 legs better ? or what was it... << In the end it reverses as the pigs become nearly indistinguishable from the humans, except fatter. ESR in that pic seemed to have bagged a descendant of "napoleon"
ascii_field: with 'a great deal of discipline' one could become napoleon.
mircea_popescu: the NEXT box has a price. would napoleon have paid that for his box ? never.
mircea_popescu: the first box, gifted to napoleon, has no value (!= is worthless)