shinohai: Evidently, this fellow is connecting to freenode from a jawbone
mod6: heh
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5666.97, vol: 11222.19149941 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5671.7, vol: 56906.54175348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4277.2002, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5663.0, vol: 4427.2002525 | Volume-weighted last average: 5670.43755869
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/and-the-sun-sets-over-the-pacific/ << Trilema - And the Sun sets over the Pacific
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/and-the-sun-sets-over-the-pacific/ << Trilema - And the Sun sets over the Pacific
shinohai: http://archive.is/UtCgr << `That's because the operating system (Android) uses what's known as an "all-zero encryption key" when the reinstallation is initiated, which is easier to intercept and use maliciously.`
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol.
mircea_popescu: !!up alex__c
deedbot: alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
alex__c: hi
mircea_popescu: hola.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15#1725442 << why were you changing the oil with a trident ???☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-15 20:38 ben_vulpes: in other gentooisms gone horribly wrong i apparently punctured my water pump while changing an alternator belt
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15#1725453 << wd!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-15 20:46 trinque meanwhile wires up a qr code autoshitter to deedbot wallet for withdrawals
asciilifeform: 'In the most likely attack scenario, the hacker would have to directly connect to the Wi-Fi access point, and so would need to be within physical proximity to the router. "This attack doesn't scale," noted Alan Woodward, encryption expert from the University of Surrey. "It's a very targeted attack. Not like we're all going to be hit as attackers can only be in so many Wi-Fi zones at once."' << choice nonsense -- as if you can't hop f
asciilifeform: rom each radio to the next, and from there on -- worm outward, etc
asciilifeform: 'encryption expert'
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the automattic bs, "oh, this hole is not a problem because attackers can't use it"
mircea_popescu: "in the most likely airflight scenario, the pilot doesn't even need a highschool equivalency degree, just sit there and watch the pretty lights. not like all planes are going to crash".
mircea_popescu: engineering today, MIT & beyond.
mircea_popescu: ah that was an easy log. i was worried there for a minute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, do you happen to know about the dogger bank incident ?
mircea_popescu: lulz of all fucking time, russians got the idea the japanese are in the north sea, started shooting at each other, and at random fishing boats. also reported being attacked by u-boats, being BOARDED, drawing cutlasses,
mircea_popescu: bombarding their own (multiple times, various victims) and most notably the ship orly-lol firing nigh on 1`000 rounds WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING.
mircea_popescu adds this to his private "annals of orc history", in there with the scottish empire at darien and stuffs.
alex__c: so.. do I have to join #eulora specifically to get an account for the game?
mircea_popescu: sure.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/16/the-other-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-yknow-the-one-with-actual-skin-in-the-game/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The other Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Yknow, the one with actual skin in the game.
trinque: how in the fuck is only trilema duping
trinque: I checked the rss feed itself; it's definitely not that.
mircea_popescu: trinque i was wondering the same thing
mircea_popescu: me too.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'OpenBSD was notified of the vulnerability on 15 July 2017, before CERT/CC was involved in the coordination. Quite quickly, Theo de Raadt replied and critiqued the tentative disclosure deadline: “In the open source world, if a person writes a diff and has to sit on it for a month, that is very discouraging”. Note that I wrote and included a suggested diff for OpenBSD already, and that at the time the tentative disc
asciilifeform: losure deadline was around the end of August. As a compromise, I allowed them to silently patch the vulnerability. In hindsight this was a bad decision, since others might rediscover the vulnerability by inspecting their silent patch. To avoid this problem in the future, OpenBSD will now receive vulnerability notifications closer to the end of an embargo.'
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "coordination" is it.
asciilifeform: usgination.
mircea_popescu: fuck the tards. there is 0 reason to work with the usg tendrils in any field and in any capacity.
mircea_popescu: break all embargoes and let them fuck themselves.
trinque: oh god damn it, lol. http://nosuchlabs.com/feed/rss/
asciilifeform: lollamatic!
mircea_popescu: aaaa
mircea_popescu: jaysus
mircea_popescu: sorry trinque
asciilifeform: that shouldn't work tho, the original was simply nosuchlabs.com/rss
mircea_popescu: fine example of how complexity builds itself out of small, well understood parts over time :D
trinque: funny stuff. gonna disable that feed for now
asciilifeform: '...4-way handshake was mathematically proven as secure... the properties that were proven in formal analysis of the 4-way handshake remain true. However, the problem is that the proofs do not model key installation. Put differently, the formal models did not define when a negotiated key should be installed. In practice, this means the same key can be installed multiple times, thereby resetting nonces and replay counters used by the
asciilifeform: encryption protocol'
mircea_popescu: ftr i don't accept that "proven".
asciilifeform: usgproven
asciilifeform: it's an entire 'industry'
mircea_popescu: exactly. it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with mathematical proof.
asciilifeform: haskellatical proof
mircea_popescu: in exactly the manner global warmism has absolutely nothing to do with science ; or "bayesian methods" with ai.
mircea_popescu: it's a cheap ustardian fake based on poor understanding of statistics.
asciilifeform: it however is a gangrene that will grow ANYWHERE where fits-in-head is not an iron principle.
asciilifeform: 'a usg will always be found for the stupid' or how it went.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i went for various baths of essernce d'subnormal these past days. most heads don't fit anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: same, yes, fundamental fallacy as 'bayesianism' -- notion being that the work of understanding something, can be farmed out to machine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most heads belong pulling plow .
mircea_popescu: rather, the notion that life can be separated into "the parts we wish to think about" and "the inappropriate parts" which can be safely ignored.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the fine example of madagascar. what do you know about present day madagascar for my curiosity ?
asciilifeform: i can draw it on the map if you rub it out. and iirc 'independent' (took turns whoring for britain and france) in 19th c to present day...
mircea_popescu: aaand in other adult women, http://78.media.tumblr.com/ca274cf9516bc0a795df6071ab23e809/tumblr_nkghpoIOVZ1uojv1ho1_500.gif
asciilifeform: populated by... tamils ? ( on account of monkeys never finding it )
asciilifeform: is mostly it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a very interesting case study for my needs, because genuinely sovereign morons. do you know there's a major lynching thing going on ? whereby they form mobs, throw rocks at people for a few hours then set them aflame ?
asciilifeform: sounds rather african
mircea_popescu: they creted their very own usg ; it works EXACTLY the same way as the larger one, except it's made by even dumber people / inbred islander idiots, and it shows.
mircea_popescu: which is my point here : globalism is an absolute necessity for usgistans. if you permit "independent", "sovereign", "national" whatever ourdemocracies you will get WORSE results than from the global one.
mircea_popescu: ie, the official propaganda actually has a point in its narrow domain of applicability.
asciilifeform: when orcs make the straw plane, they don't make wunderbar mega-improved glider, no; but straw boeing.
mircea_popescu: i am satisfied they had NO FUCKING IDEA what the usg was.
mircea_popescu: this wasn't a copy job. this was "average human" reaching deep down and reconstructing usg.
mircea_popescu: in his own, genuine manner.
mircea_popescu: !!key alex__c
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/37945A0E753B3418C65A536CE5578E70E6BBB502.asc
mircea_popescu: madagascar isn't a unique example, either. it's just a very anthropologically convenient one, very clean and pure so to speak.
mircea_popescu: this line yields the very amusingly 1917s socialist view that in order for republicanism to take over, the prerequisite stage is first pantsuitism taking over.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: irk?
mircea_popescu: i'd much appreciate a thorough challenge of this point, it's mindboggling.
asciilifeform: ( re madagascar : apparently on top of other joys, now has confirmed black plague. )
mircea_popescu: but anyone who is either french or lived in france any length of time knows that france is in fact just a dumber, shittier usg. though built way earlier, by FEWER locals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think "everything" as we understand it stopped working there cca 1900.
mircea_popescu: (and no, "you can occasionally get internet" ISNT "internet working".)
asciilifeform: i'm not aware that 'everythings' ever did work there
asciilifeform: 'On 26 June 2016, a grenade explosion killed two people and injured at least 50 others during celebrations to mark Independence Day in Antananarivo.' << pretty great
asciilifeform: sounds like oakland, california
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: or you know, funtimes kosovo.
mircea_popescu: EXCEPT!!! you see, except the serbs were never this fuckign stupid. i'm not even sure how to qualify it, but there's a substantial difference between the two items.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, how do you know cat isn't reading ? its eyes move..."
asciilifeform: how about the antiserbs ?
mircea_popescu: the croats ? or who ?
asciilifeform: the various
mircea_popescu: none of them, honestly, were african level retarded.
asciilifeform unsurprised
mircea_popescu: "perfectly capable of sitting inside someone's cellar, hand-making shitty rifles in the unverified belief that ww2 still rages above, cca 1970 ?" YES! certainly. "dumb enough to imagien can't bring acordeon to hospital to break patriarch free because ourdemocracy.,rules ?" absolutely not. "boring enough to just sit on ass and chew hay like a fucking herbivore ?" nope, never.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking difference here, you understand me ? in costa rica, which is still populated by subhuman stock just like madagascar or egypt or etcetera, what they do with their time is chisel civilisation back down to their herbivore needs.
asciilifeform: chisel down how ?
mircea_popescu: you get a beach resort, however tiny, famous for its rampant prostitution, build a perfectly workable brothel, and the dumb whores there located will self-organise into doing ever less work, until finally it's just standing around.
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: imagine how a mcdonalds work if the blacks manning it were in charge.
mircea_popescu: first, they wouldn't take the garbage out EVERY night anymore
mircea_popescu: then, they wouldn't wear the aprons ALL the time
mircea_popescu: then they...
asciilifeform: there was at one time one of these at the uni where asciilifeform went
asciilifeform: so i can easily picture
mircea_popescu: soon enough it'd be one oil barrel sawed in half on some rickety rock props on a beach somewhere.
mircea_popescu: and this is a fundamental differentiator of ethnic groups. some develop and some regress.
mircea_popescu: and there's lots of heuristics available. like, the nonviolent ones ? always regress. the matriarch-centered ones ? always regress. those with linguistic ergativity ? always regress. and so following.
asciilifeform: i thought 'nonviolent savages' lived in the same place as cynocephali
asciilifeform: ditto matriarchates
asciilifeform: ( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672530 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
mircea_popescu: but the important point isn't "the people", those don't matter. the important point is that mylord newton, an otherwise busy man, did take time out of penning his alchemical considerations to point out to impudent man servant that if the boots don't need to be shined every night, the manservant doesn't need to be fed ever day, either. DID TAKE THE TIME.
mircea_popescu: and the manservant, impudent as any african, costa rican, argentinian etcetera, NEVERTHELESS OBEYED.
mircea_popescu: which circumstance makes me thing that http://78.media.tumblr.com/969bdde9852e908a43437df68d990fcc/tumblr_nljckvEPJ41tv1mk8o1_400.gif is the absolute best depiction of human culture that could ever be devised.
mircea_popescu: either you get that working or madagascar.
asciilifeform: can rewrite this equation if you will, that we only know newton because he lived in system where his servant, for various reasons, did not eat him
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat's in that pic -- 2ndhand bukkake ?
mircea_popescu: girls passing on their master's... essence let's say.
mircea_popescu: from mouth to mouth.
mircea_popescu: as i sure as fuck don't have the energy to dribble personally into each one,.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point here is that it's not a system. i suspect it's a stock. it's something of the nature of the servant and his tribe, not something of the manner of the servant and its tribe.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the nukes never posed any kind of threat to "the continuance of humanity" ; whereas the slow and painless devolvement into a sort of easter island / hawaiian "happines" through embalmed imbecility quite literally does.
asciilifeform: time is the slow, guaranteed nuke.
mircea_popescu: also the one nuke anyone likes to think they can outrun.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not even that the us HASN'T written "the great american novel", as the historical consideration. it's that IT WON'T. and similarily, it's not that africa never discovered madagascar -- it's that IT NEVER WILL. and so following, bedouins never discovered flight NOR WILL THEY.
mircea_popescu: "technological transfer" is no discovering.
mircea_popescu: and i am starting to see the point of us military strategists a lot clearer thjan i ever did these days. just because the chinese got together a bunch of rockets doesn't automatically mean anything.
asciilifeform: bedouin could have the last laugh : did not discover airplane, but also did not discover reddit.
mircea_popescu: reddit is no discovery.
asciilifeform: discovery in the chukcha-discovers-rotgut sense.
mircea_popescu: but bedouin did so discover it.
asciilifeform: he did?!
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose you give 16 yo bedouin girl as a love gift ? smartphone enouigh to watch netflix, neh ?
asciilifeform: i had nfi
mircea_popescu: aaand in other pointy hat humour : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/The_Imperial_German_Army_1890_-_1913_HU68476.jpg General Adjutant Graf von Hulsen-Haeseler (Chief of the Kaiser's Military Cabinet, sixth from left, died one pleasant evening after dinner, while performing a pas seul dressed in a woman's ballet tutu for wilhelm 2 and other prussian noblemen in attendance.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5674.06, vol: 8381.74417249 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5685.7, vol: 38356.2235302 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4271.5686, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5669.7, vol: 3221.848597 | Volume-weighted last average: 5682.71533971
mircea_popescu: keks, bitcoin crash going to meet litecoin "market cap".
BingoBoingo: Lol, in other lols the "no glass by the pool" is a common thing here too. "OMG Invisibru!!!"
mircea_popescu: so use pyrex. there's unbreakable glass what.
BingoBoingo: To orc, glass is glass.
BingoBoingo: Pickle jar and vintage pyrex the same
mircea_popescu: "Philine writes to me that she feels absolutely dreadful in spite of the clairvoyante who felt her in the rectum and gave her such helpful guidelines for her behavior".
mircea_popescu: aaand in other nacht und nebel, i find this morning that yesterday i went skinny dipping a few kilometers off costa rica's principal concentration of crocodylus acutus.
mircea_popescu: apparently surfers routinely lose limbs to these guys.
mircea_popescu: i think this now qualifies as the superlative bender, retrospectively.
asciilifeform: next i suppose is to visit forest where jaguar ?
mircea_popescu: drunk at night naked & on foot ?
mircea_popescu: eh why the hell not, apparently i'm untouchable. cleopatra-as-isis has been reborn in me and no mortal hand can harm such a one or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: anyway. teh... "department of people deeply concerned with my continued welbeing" let's say is deeply concerned and humbly asks to please not do that again.
mod6: ya!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oblig thematic classic: 'Из пасти у зверя / Торчит голова./ До берега / Ветер доносит слова: / - Непра... / Я не ве... - / Аллигатор вздохнул / И, сытый,/ В зеленую воду нырнул.'
mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: http://rasskajem.ru/foma << illustrated $subj.
asciilifeform: ( approx. 'doubting thomas' )
mircea_popescu: i can't even claim that much. irresponsible enough to even know there was anything to doubt.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: In other wonders, when you submit a quote request in Brazil for a full rack, the CTO sends an email
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not really that surprising.
shinohai: Well BingoBoingo I doubt they are making brazillions .....
BingoBoingo: Well, when one becomes to recieving either jolo or rando ny Telestra sales staff, it is a change of pace
shinohai: Ba dum tiss
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much everyone is HORRIBLE at lead conversion, and always has been. internet age eh.
BingoBoingo: Well, for all the noise about tech in Asia...
mircea_popescu: yes but the problem here isn't tech, it's "what to do when someone says hello".
mircea_popescu: according to the majority of the contemporaries, the correct response is to move about incoherently while vocalizing vaguely and drooling slightly.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the ritual asking of questions over multiple round to show interest while panicking that someone is looking to buy!
BingoBoingo: And the tech may also be problem too. It's starting to seem like everyone in Asia has MAX!!!111!!HIGHSPEED connected to noone else.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the miners-on-2cycle-petrol-modem was not sufficient hint ?
BingoBoingo: You forget, in my world 2-cyle is for the pros. Nothing sadder than a 4-cycle strimmer
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap.
asciilifeform: ( leaving entirely aside subj of ddos etc )
BingoBoingo: On the other hand, there is "not cheap" and then there are Pinoys offering a 10Mbps connection for a 42 U rack
ben_vulpes: what *should a rack come with, 1Gbps? relatedly, how many ips
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Minimum 10Gbps and minimum a C block
BingoBoingo: Preferably 24-30 Gbps
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have any idea what multi-G/s ~sustained~ typically costs ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hopefully Imma going to find out
BingoBoingo: Both what the port itself costs and what the transfer costs
asciilifeform: there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained.
BingoBoingo: Well, what are you asking for?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'unmetered 100m jack'
BingoBoingo: That's 10 cable modems in DDoS mode or a single AWS+Wordpress away from collapse. Better to get the faster pipe and meter it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: attempting to outbandwidth ddos artists, dun work
BingoBoingo: No, that's an accidental side effect. But the plus side is clients get seriously impressive speed
asciilifeform: pill against ddos is to make the payoff of ddosing anything but entire set of nodes, 0.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't be asciilifeform from 3 wks ago who wondered why dc folx don't return calls, after he asked for '1u'
asciilifeform: wildly batshit requests tend to end up in /dev/null
asciilifeform: the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on
asciilifeform: they don't rent cages.
asciilifeform: afaik.
BingoBoingo: The reply percentage has gone up to ~60 percent in the past 2 weeks. Since Friday it's been +140%
asciilifeform: ( i have a very similar problem in meatspace -- i live in rented houses. the market for this is extremely thin ( discussed in old threads, i won't repeat ) because the expectation in gringolandia is 'if you have that kind of money, why wouldntcha BUY!111' etc )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing about azns is they gossip.
BingoBoingo: Or they are trying the leadgeneration/referral thing
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in other corners of gringolandia the rental house market is fatter because Biddies wanna make money while they sleep
BingoBoingo: Upwardly mobile pantsuit Biddies moves on from starter house, rents it, repeats every 5 years until they are 48 and overwhelmed their letting agency is interferring with their secretary gig
BingoBoingo: Note this is also a big reason why Bedbugs are on the upswing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: expand re bedbug
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725645 << only believers come from the churches of "healthcare should be free" / "education should be accessible" etc schools of ourdemocracy krill.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 18:49 asciilifeform: incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap.
mircea_popescu: to them, it is.
asciilifeform: things one dun use always seem very cheap eh.
mircea_popescu: in related considerations : my mechanic here sends his kids to private highschool (see http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/#selection-217.0-227.376 ) at a cost of $600 per month. this does not include uniforms, food, textbooks, various other items.
mircea_popescu: average salary here is ~half that ; and he has three of them.
mircea_popescu: the irony isn't even the "not free" part ; but that what this fellow paying two average salaries per head gets is NOT WORTH MONEY.
mircea_popescu: so : worthless $everything is cheap for the idiots and useless for everyone else, the great achievement of ourdemocracy.
asciilifeform: not so diff in principle from uni tuition in usa ( add a zero to the price )
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725648 << think what you'd like to have for your ideal box and multiply by 40 or so.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:01 ben_vulpes: what *should a rack come with, 1Gbps? relatedly, how many ips
asciilifeform wonders how many dcs on the planet have anything remotely like sustained 1G * # of rack slots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, this is hs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have these in usa also, pretty much everyone who can afford, sends children to some variant
mircea_popescu: aha. preppies.
mircea_popescu: NOT FUCKING MECHANICS.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725654 << this is false, or at best outdated. NETFLIX!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:03 asciilifeform: there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained.
asciilifeform: iirc most 'private school' ( as it is called in usa ) is run by catholic church.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netflix is not '1g sustained' in our sense, it uses local caches
mircea_popescu: local where ?
asciilifeform: to major telecoms wherever
mircea_popescu: and stop with the "unlimited" bs, that's how "blackhatworld" tards express themselves.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: expand re bedbug << The old women land lords when yet another tenant bails at their infestation goes with over the counter remedies half heartedly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and those don't run boxes then ? what is it, come out of a netflix toothpaste tube ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they run boxes ~in isp~ . connectivity is not a scalar
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're saying.
asciilifeform: the fact that netflix-watching gurl in karachi gets to pretend she has 1G/s because the films are hosted in same cabinet as the other end from her gsm modem, does not help ~us~ get 1G/s from same dc in karachi
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: because we're doing arbitrary tcp to whole planet, presumably ? vs derping around inside one physical house
mircea_popescu: so your idea of how netflix works is that a bunch of couch dwelling "Criminology" majors queue up before a dc to be shown their inane shit on the dc's wall mounted display ?
asciilifeform: it isn't a seekrit , how it works
mircea_popescu: yes, it isn't a secret, but apparently you've retreated into insanity with this whole thing.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ?
asciilifeform: my observation is strictly 'netflicks is NOT proof of massive bandwidth in turd world'
mircea_popescu: petabit connections are routinely leased ; and if they aren't leased by us that ONLY means we suck and no more.
asciilifeform: because it is eminently cacheable, and invests in caches.
mircea_popescu: cache is not local ffs.
asciilifeform: a petabit pipe was built ?!
asciilifeform missed this
mircea_popescu: not what i said.
asciilifeform: how is a thing not yet built, leased ??
BingoBoingo: Connection is not always single pipe
mircea_popescu: same way i can own a thousand car fleet notwithstanding the "1000 car" has not yet been built.
asciilifeform: incidentally this might explain BingoBoingo's pinoys : it is typical for folx who use massive bandwidth, to have own fiber laid through the dc's closet, rather than leasing it from the same people as the rack space
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ? << This exercise has done more to inform "How internet exists" than previous 31 years of life.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is why you ask for a referral to the transit providers.
mircea_popescu: anyway : worldwide traffic is what, 1mn petabit or thereabouts. the http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ very much applies, we can't seriously propose to control x% of world's capital without controlling similar %s of energy production, data interchange etc.
asciilifeform: my criticism is that BingoBoingo's request, at least as summarized earlier, looks precisely like the '1000 car'
mircea_popescu: these are all teh healthy metrics.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. l3 for instance has an installed capacity of 100 PB or so (these are bytes not bits). akamai in the same range.
mircea_popescu: cloudflare doesn't even figure in this kind of discussion. and so on.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways consider the case of 100 AMD G boards colo'd in a 4U case. How much speed for them?
mircea_popescu: (ftr - akamai is a MIT piece of shit.)
BingoBoingo: Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250
BingoBoingo has to expect outbound connection to take at least one, preferrably four of them
BingoBoingo: the ports that is, not the switches
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing this : lewin's "50k competition business idea" runs a quarter million boxes in something like a coupal thousand dcs. to compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724349☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-12 16:58 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alt-republics, https://twitter.com/botsbreeder/status/836472673857232896
mircea_popescu: (lewin was one of the people osama sent to their maker)
mircea_popescu: and the origins of akamai lie in consistent hashing much like the origins of alphabet lie in the iterated graph thing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways if all one wants is unmetered 100mbps the way for that is business internet connection to home office, box sleeps within 50 feet of own head. http://www.highlandcommunicationservices.com/HCSBusInt.php
BingoBoingo: One thing that is becoming clear appears to be having Atlantic coast seemingly predicts better internet than Pacific coast
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i would be surprised if there wasn't somewhere in teh walls of supersekrit beijing a document describing how creating an equivalent of the north atlantic in the south china sea is a fundamental chinese military/strategic goal for the year 2030.
mircea_popescu: japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc
mircea_popescu: as per that ancient "you defeat the enemy by outdigging him"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725663 << mno. those'd be the folks who want pb not gb.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:10 asciilifeform: the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725730 << in fact inexpensive, i even have one here☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:41 BingoBoingo: Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250
asciilifeform: ( slightly moar expensive if you discard nsa.cisco & nsa.juniper )
asciilifeform: not so many folx make 10G ( or even 1G, see l0gz ) nic chipset, sadly
mircea_popescu: now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc << Hong Kong has tremendous interconnectivity through the HKIX system... within itself...
mircea_popescu: except in some places (notably, australia, because telstra are imbeciles and want to be paid about 20x). vbut then again SIMPLY EXCLUDING shitholes is not actually a problem.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even Ubiquiti makes at least one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ~chipsets~
BingoBoingo: Ah, well
mircea_popescu: (peering is entirely not a different thing from how the bitcoin network works, at that)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity. << AHA, long term idea is outgrow a major expense by becoming hot, sexy, blonde, pert peer
mircea_popescu: that figure isn't right btw. .9.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, a plus of Brazil is the language is just Spanish with a weird accent. Just like Romanian is near-spanish with a slavic accent.
mircea_popescu: (telstra are not the only idiots trying to parlay their edge placement into "value". telecom argentina is possibly the worst offender, along with telefonica etc)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recommend to learn ro, it'll cure you of this notion
mircea_popescu: lol. for srs.
BingoBoingo: Oh my, the reactions to the joak!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought ~all~ telecoms 'parlayed edge into value' -- if it weren't for the captive audiences, they'd be in the position of someone selling air ( and not on mars. on earth. not compressed, but stp. etc )
asciilifeform: i dun need a telecom service to connect my shed to my living room. but if i want to connect to neighbour -- suddenly, do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. it's always public-private partnership imbeciles, with no technical capacity and no seat at the table whatsoever. EXACT application of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725538☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 16:39 mircea_popescu: they creted their very own usg ; it works EXACTLY the same way as the larger one, except it's made by even dumber people / inbred islander idiots, and it shows.
asciilifeform: afaik in all of industrial world ALL telecoms are 'public-private partnerships', i.e. crown concessions, because randos dun get to dig up streets
mircea_popescu: hence, argentina, australia, retarded "we too" orc ourdemocracies thoroughly convinced that soy farmers can build a country like they saw in unilever commercials.
asciilifeform: this is how it worked ever since edison got Official monopoly on the right to dig up nyc streets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
mircea_popescu: he who receives a concession despises the concessor, sees self as no partner with the idiot.
mircea_popescu: to put the matter in terms of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-16#1300594 a partnership is marriage ; a concession is simply using the daughter as a whore.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-16 15:12 mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
mircea_popescu: the latter is very important because it blocks the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725588 of the girl's father.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 17:07 mircea_popescu: which circumstance makes me thing that http://78.media.tumblr.com/969bdde9852e908a43437df68d990fcc/tumblr_nljckvEPJ41tv1mk8o1_400.gif is the absolute best depiction of human culture that could ever be devised.
mircea_popescu: and really the whole point of civilised society is the cheap, effectual castration of losers.
asciilifeform: physical extinguishment of losers worked just as well for chingis khan et al
asciilifeform: dunno why this foray into castrations.
mircea_popescu: but back to the practical point : "retired" ben lawsky could not find a job with usg.comcast. leaving aside that argentine ben lawsky would not be retired by mp, because likely protected by complex orc tribal structure -- he WOULD very much end up at telco ag.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is not so.
mircea_popescu: the problem with the physical extinction is that culture is more important than biology to the modern human.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone has to be an example for the potential losers, also mine uranium
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather have a flock of girls spawned by the common man who despise their stupid mothers ; than a flock of girls spawned by whatever set of bio-selected women however you care to select them.
asciilifeform: biology still merciless, the offspring still 'regress to mean'
asciilifeform: as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725595☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 17:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point here is that it's not a system. i suspect it's a stock. it's something of the nature of the servant and his tribe, not something of the manner of the servant and its tribe.
mircea_popescu: they do regress to the mean, but then again you don't want the girls to use them as spawners anyway.
mircea_popescu: let their sisters too dumb to find the way out spawn.
asciilifeform: ain't that how we get untermenschen to begin with
mircea_popescu: a job whose products regress to the mean is properly allocated to the lowest quality workers that can be found.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu have an article where 'EVERY gurl despises 'her stupid mother', but then she lives another 30y and becomes exactly that mother'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am persuaded this is not so. let's revisit the discussion of the HUGENESS of the genetic reservoir, like in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715655☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 22:53 mircea_popescu: the vastness bag of possibilities presented by human genetics far far FARRRRR outstrips any vastness commonly contemplated, such as "how many atoms there are in the universe". this does not make it infinite, no, but there's much ado can be fit in the space between two "very large"s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that article discusses "independent" "agents" not slavegirls/
asciilifeform cannot comment on supposed 'hugeness of genetic reservoir', all of the public data has approx same relation to authentic physical reality as 'warmism' rawdata
mircea_popescu: so, in short : the theory here is that it's perfectly safe to try and extract value out of human genetics by forcing the work of spawning be done by the least qualified part of society, because the universe of genetic possibility is indeed so great the damage thus done is negligible, and moreover for many centuries to come readily compensated by the benefit of miscegenation, ie more dispersed more deep exogamy.
mircea_popescu: and it being the job of economy to find places where we can hide our misery under the rug, it then so stands : we can extract value out of this happenstance, so let's.
asciilifeform: this'd work only if the aggregate stats dun matter, because 'the losers are gassed at 0 cost'
mircea_popescu: the losers are gassed at 0 cost.
asciilifeform: where?
mircea_popescu: i don't see any of them here, is the logic, so they were gassed at 0 cost.
asciilifeform: keep in mind, damage they do on their way to the oven, is cost
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how am i to be a wild-eyed reformer seeing prophetically into the great future when you keep bringing these pesky details to show just how fragile the whole edifice is!
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: but anywya, the theory is still sound. let me formalize.
asciilifeform: gotta point out, they 'are not here' in person, no. but their exhaust products are, and asciilifeform for instance spends substantial time and effort scraping'em off every surface
mircea_popescu: 1. let there be a sexuate organism with a total 10 chromosomes with 100 loci each with 10 possible alelels for each locus and no other epigenetic phenomena whatsoever. no gene synonymy, nothing.
mircea_popescu: 2. let there be defined an intelligence, as the calculated hash of this genotype, by unreversible function F.
mircea_popescu: 3. let F display all the reverse-to-mean and other properties as observed in the fenotype function f as it is naturally apllied on human genetics.
mircea_popescu: 4. let it be the case that all individuals can be scalarily sorted by value on a gaussian centered on 0.
mircea_popescu: in this formalism, two subzero individuals will most likely spawn a 0, producing a net gain in expected value through their replacement with their offspring.
mircea_popescu: while two suprazero individuals who will also most likely spawn a 0 produce a net loss in expected value through similar replacement.
asciilifeform: model where the 'intelligence' costs 0, is immediately a wtf
mircea_popescu: it is then predicated that a group of such described individuals which burdens the subzeros with reproduction ands the suprazeros with everything else will outperform in the petri dish any groups doing any other thing,
mircea_popescu: even without exogamy between these putative groups it is proposed the future costs of this approach ("draining the gene pool") are a) negligible and b) verty distant in the future. as in, 10`000s of years distant
mircea_popescu: and moreover, it is further proposed that such exogamy is mandatory, the superior group will simply enslave the females of all others.
mircea_popescu: ~fin~
mircea_popescu: now then, what's the objections ?
asciilifeform: the fixed substrate, for one
mircea_popescu: which ? the fixed genetic substrate you mean ?
asciilifeform: the 'scalar sort' thing
mircea_popescu: ah, that's weak as all hell.
asciilifeform: 'what's a winner' depends much on who's around.
mircea_popescu: quite, i have no intention to defend that polyp of insanity.
asciilifeform: sorta how d00d who is 3 metres tall, and chix with tits that require wheelbarrow, live in p.t. barnum's circus, and not 'winners'
mircea_popescu: and yet you believe that your memory could be scalarily improved, thereby scalarily leading to a gain of intelligence.
asciilifeform: rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically )
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model,
asciilifeform: the basic 'improve memory' device was the clay tablet, papyrus, etc -- everything after that, is variation on theme
asciilifeform: as for meat memory, it is conceivable that it could be improved in exchange for some steel ( from genetic pov ) price -- risk of fatal seizures, say.
asciilifeform: *steep
asciilifeform: kanzure et al ( or their predecessor culture ) had some term for this, but i fughet what it was.
asciilifeform: !!up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o hey, check that out! this was actual RST injection : my box received a rst "from" peer ( whereas that peer simply saw me drop. in other words, the above conn loss was factually third party DoS.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725828 << but i am saying that we're very much forced to it by lack of workable alternative.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get these not uncommonly
asciilifeform: looks exactly like that, rst.
mircea_popescu: what's the expectation, that we'll leak key or what exactly.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's 'intelligent nsa' cosmography, it'd have to be 'and the white van pulled up and now we gotta get this d00d to unsheath his keysword..'
asciilifeform: but in real life likely bored intern.
mircea_popescu: if only.
asciilifeform: upstack, i can't resist to point out that story in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725769 with the gold mountain, is quite similar to the infamous chinese pyramids☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
asciilifeform: ( world's largest pyramids -- not in egypt, but in cn. discovered by accident during ww2, from a bomber camera. to this day barbed wire around'em, no-go zone, 0 publication. )
asciilifeform: much more valuable 'in the wrapper', this candy.
mircea_popescu: the whole teracotta thing ?
asciilifeform: iirc that was small fraction of one particular dig, in rough vicinity of $subj
mircea_popescu: anyway, sino-egyptian pre-greek contact is very likely.
asciilifeform: devilknows
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725827 << in fact this is the very substance of the argument : because of the immense inertia involved, it is "safe" to have children spawned by the idiots. the large numbers of non-idiots or should i say not-specifically-selected-for-idiocy antecessors will slowly filter back out, so you get something for nothing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 asciilifeform: rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically )
mircea_popescu: an altogether different kind of fat burning.
asciilifeform: just like 'safe' to sink sr-90 in ocean etc
asciilifeform: exhaustion of finite resource, looks entirely always 'infinite until not'
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: the numbers here look better than the numbers for oil, however.
mircea_popescu: there ARE alternate sources of energy. there's no alternate source of intelligence. cunt is all there is.
mircea_popescu: the historical approach to this divide, proclaiming women dumb "by nature" and splitting the cake that way is evidently suboptimal and won't be revisited.
mircea_popescu: so what's left, practically ?
asciilifeform: i dun have hard proofs, but... it isn't inconceivable that, e.g., french rev & the consequences, happened when it did because of genetic degradation
mircea_popescu: i would say it is inconceivable.
mircea_popescu: cultural degradation, yes.
asciilifeform: why'sthat
mircea_popescu: because the size of the genetic universe of possibility / potential space is so entirely immense, all of european history wouild not have sufficed to perceptibly alter anything even if directed deliberately.
asciilifeform: dun have to be degradation of 'whole europe'
asciilifeform: just of the ruling brahmins
mircea_popescu: and cultural degradation here means something very specific -- it is all brought about by the hajnal fault line.
asciilifeform: 1 megamystery ( at least to asciilifeform ) is why hajnal line even exists
mircea_popescu: the ancient culture predicated on the ♂/♀ split had to be replaced with a more effectual eloi/moloch split.
mircea_popescu: this is not an easy thing to do, precisely because it's such a deep, far reaching matter.
mircea_popescu: and so hafta go through the whole mess to sort it out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because in a large pile of people who did not perceive a problem with "women are dumb because they are women" a speck of "this is not so" emerged. this is altogether very much a http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ / luminous scenario.
asciilifeform: there was another mircea_popescu article re , iirc, buggery, with similar thesis
mircea_popescu: which one was this ?
asciilifeform: where on 1 hand mr turing has a point, and folx beat him for no particularly good reason; on other hand the civilization with ~no~ arbitrary rules, goes unglued.
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah.
asciilifeform: possibly this was the piece re buluceala in the mosque
mircea_popescu: anyway, to underscore : i don't mean "cultural degradation" in some kind of paseist "o woe, things used to be great". no. rather, things used to suck and it finally became obvious what the problem is exactly. and as luck usually has it in such contexts, first you gotta throw out all the babies with all the bathwaters, then draw new baths, make new babies...
mircea_popescu: there's no patching human culture.
asciilifeform: 'gotta have ordered ranks; exactly ordered ~how~ is distantly secondary'
mircea_popescu: there was also a that one.
asciilifeform: most recently historically, consider lenin's 'rank-less' red army, and slowly growing back all of the ranks of imperial ru
mircea_popescu: yes, but see, two points i wish to make here :
asciilifeform: culminating in brezhnev's re-introduction of the feldwebel
asciilifeform: ( прапорщик in modern ru )
mircea_popescu: a) that there was no direct route from imperial ranks to soviet ranks and b) that therefore the lenin moment is JUST AS necessary and "Correct" or how you call it as stalin's. there's no "error".
asciilifeform: i didn't colour the revolutions, as error
mircea_popescu: both did the right thing. first, teardown of the nonsense, with a lot of "unnecessary" collateral damage -- except if it weren't damaged it'd have been way the fuck necssary to damage it.
mircea_popescu: and only then etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah.
asciilifeform: the inbred brahmins get the noyade and guillotine, as surely as california kindling catches fire
mircea_popescu: well, so applying this to the french revolution point of interest -- you're going to end up with a lot of "kings are bad, mkay, notwithstanding monarchy is the only workable system" because... because how else is napoleon to pass legislation allowing pregnant women to eat anything off the market stalls and not be punished for it ?
mircea_popescu: if the merchant being "Stolen" from doesn't believe he could be a fieldmarchal's father one day, what sells him on it ?
mircea_popescu: in this perspective, the empire became an absolute necessity, topless Republique glorieuse y compris, once the literary salons ran their course.
asciilifeform: to certain (limited, as observed by napoleon himself, 'can do whatever with bayonet, but not sit on it' extent -- the bayonet up the arse is incentive
mircea_popescu: !~google marianne
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Marianne - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne>; Marianne | “Le goût de la vérité n'empêche pas de prendre parti” A ...: <https://www.marianne.net/>; Marianne Williamson: Welcome: <https://marianne.com/>
asciilifeform: in other orc lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/orcmail.jpg
BingoBoingo: My the stamps
asciilifeform: 0 customs problems with ^ . even though i'm pretty sure that if you bring something that looks like this to an american post office, you won't get to walk home on own legs
shinohai: "Hmmm .... you think 80 stamps will be enuf to ship this?"
asciilifeform: shinohai: in some orcistans, post office dun even handle money, as such, or the orc staff will steal it. so gotta pay for ALL mail with... stamps
asciilifeform: in usa this is only not a thing because of lavish ( by manual labourer standards ) pay for postmen
ben_vulpes: in other weak rsa key news: https://www.yubico.com/support/security-advisories/ysa-2017-01/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: check this out, the 'vuln test' is... https://github.com/crocs-muni/roca/tree/master/roca/tests << spoiler: checks fp against enumerated badness
asciilifeform: no actual detail of rng diddle, shown.
asciilifeform: quite conceivably they simply lifted from phuctor.
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/conference/protected-files/security16_slides_svenda.pdf << the very dubious orig item. ( can skip straight to last pic )
asciilifeform: ( https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity16/sec16_paper_svenda.pdf << equally dubious, and on top of it all plagiaristic, long ver )
asciilifeform: the above item, will point out, is not news, was even iirc discussed here
asciilifeform: but the 'omfg we factored some keyz' presumably had to wait for phuctor to go down
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: hey, they waited, we let them. takes two legs for usg to walk on.
shinohai: https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/227 <<< I archived this but has annoying white block in page, can't read
shinohai: Anyway, adios US customers of Buttfunex
mircea_popescu: i think the evolution of the usg reclaimation of their own buterin waterfals is well documented by now, it's always the same thing.
mircea_popescu: first they get some convicted criminal to steal some data and start a site, then they use it to prop their hallucinations re bitcoin and fiat, then they pretend it was all illegal, then they run off with it, then they start a few more, it's like watching housewives fuck/
mircea_popescu: tiresome but boring.