⏐︎ 9902
pete_dushenski just choked on popcorn
danielpbarron: a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy?
jurov: input is a reference to an output from a previous transaction. output is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: motherfucker what ?! ☟︎
punkman: lol
pete_dushenski: also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in a situation where input and output means the same thing."
mircea_popescu: doh.
pete_dushenski: obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/
assbot: Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPhC7D )
mircea_popescu: input is... what ?!
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking queasy.
jurov: i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, are s.nsa and s.mg statements en route ?
mircea_popescu: oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/
punkman: and output is value + scriptpubkey
mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/ ☟︎
kakobrekla: if it werent so you could just phuck a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that.
mircea_popescu: and it'd be right an' proper.
mircea_popescu: this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch.
kakobrekla: no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29956 @ 0.00049551 = 14.8435 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: mr. bean had 3-wheeled 'reliant robin' iirc
mircea_popescu: http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/attachments/technical-zone/97708d1373536167-unlocking-your-car-emergency-mrbean.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPimtn )
kakobrekla: anyway i have a headache and im hungry so bbl.
mircea_popescu: nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn
pete_dushenski: or right, austin mini
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22210 @ 0.0005022 = 11.1539 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov.
mircea_popescu: ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg.
kakobrekla: rescan did not help me
mircea_popescu: what did you do ?
kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan ☟︎
mircea_popescu: soooo....
kakobrekla: used a backup
mircea_popescu: hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
pete_dushenski: reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes.
punkman: electrum or other wallet should also work
kakobrekla: yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use a backup from before bad txes came in
kakobrekla: that was what i observed
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ?
punkman: do it by hand
pete_dushenski feels fortunate to not be in physical proximity to mp rage atm.
kakobrekla: btw at some point 'zapwallettxes' was added to bitcoind
kakobrekla: i have not tested it yet but this is suppose to fix that
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb.
kakobrekla: if you have the addresses you will get the txes
kakobrekla: in the wallet
mircea_popescu: so ?
kakobrekla: > unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and
kakobrekla: not reconstructed.
kakobrekla: re that zapwallet ☟︎
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu as long as the backup contains all the used change addresses you are ok
mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc. ☟︎
kakobrekla: yeah that prolly.
mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out".
pete_dushenski: and the crowds go wild
shinohai: \o/
mircea_popescu: fucking bs.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc.
mircea_popescu: this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed."
kakobrekla: you can have multiple unspent outputs on an address, say 3x 1btc
kakobrekla: sign to move 1 btc from that address to another
kakobrekla: phuck tx and respend.
kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later. ☟︎
kakobrekla: "send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ohforfuxxxxsake
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361752 << paging jwz ! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:42:35; mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu - or anybody else - wants ~provably working~ bitcoin - he would have to...
asciilifeform: ....
asciilifeform: pay for it to happen. ☟︎
asciilifeform: alternatively wait 10,000 years for a hero to be born who doesn't need to eat or sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00049275 = 31.536 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361792 << this is only true if you have a correctly-implemented bitcoinatron ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 23:57:31; mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
asciilifeform: which NOBODY (publicly) does
asciilifeform: and apparently not mircea_popescu either
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361820 << srsly ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:03; mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:18; mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin.
asciilifeform: but srsly, to 'fix' this, it is actually necessary to burn down the whole tard edifice
asciilifeform: and rewrite with sanity
asciilifeform: and for all i know, some not-especially-talkative fella, perhaps even in the same shop where i work, is doing this
asciilifeform: for satan.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361839 << this is correct ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:09:03; kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361847 << 10's of k of what ?? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:10:34; mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seriously thinks that he can get a monkey to correctly re-engineer the entire orchestra ?
asciilifeform: i know more or less nothing about mircea_popescucoin, but from what i recall, the item he has now is the result of having attempted this very 'c0d3rz are fungible and 10s of k usd actually buys something' thing in the past, and ended up with... this
asciilifeform: !up Leviathn
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:16:10; mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361862 << next thing after this is you build an oar-powered passenger plane ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:15:36; mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents.
kakobrekla: not at the moment.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from.
asciilifeform: thing is, answering the question of 'what balance has address A at time t' is an O(N) operation on the whole motherfucking blockchain
asciilifeform: and much of the gnarl in this thread stems from attempts to somehow work around this fact
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table.
mircea_popescu: fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor".
mircea_popescu: you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor.
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that rich people actually exist yet
mircea_popescu: i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit.
asciilifeform: (or, any more)
mircea_popescu: but in lighter news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okcupid-rating-works.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONLIyx )
asciilifeform: l0l!!
mircea_popescu: if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now.
mircea_popescu: this is like the 20th dude.
asciilifeform: how many dude A vs dude B ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: to get rid of blockchain and address problems, and have richcoin, just use csv file with noodles of gpg signatures
mircea_popescu: oh i stop counting the A's. 1-200 ?
asciilifeform: jurov: already baked. it's called hawala
mircea_popescu: jurov dun hate on me just because i'm an asshole!
jurov: lolk
mircea_popescu: the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep a table of balances.
mircea_popescu: annoying problems don't go away just because we don't want to have them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's still O(N)
asciilifeform: calculating the ~actual answer~, that is
mircea_popescu: no because you just update it
asciilifeform: you can try to cheat, eys
asciilifeform: yes
jurov: asciilifeform: mirca just decreed nobody will ever need more than N addresses
mircea_popescu: rebuild table on "resync"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is like saying that all problems are O(1) - true! if you already know the answer!
mircea_popescu: jurov what "body" "needs" ain't got the substance of ghost spit yo!
mircea_popescu: this is all THAT CAN BE HAD
jurov: perhaps N=640k , even :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is that you also have to 'rebuild table' when various other things happen - orphaned chains (phorkletz!), the idiot malleation thing, and possibly other
asciilifeform: and EACH rebuild is O(N)
mircea_popescu: ;/
asciilifeform: where N is however long it's been between the two doubted points
mircea_popescu: you're telling me the apple's up in the tree as if i was the one that put it there.
mircea_popescu: it's where it is! what am i to do ?
asciilifeform: depends on how badly mircea_popescu needs to take the apple in
asciilifeform: doesnit.
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so.
asciilifeform: even knowing how allergic mircea_popescu is to 'meta' and 'must X before Y', i will still say that items such as this remain because we do not have a clean operating room
asciilifeform: that is, 'codebase' that doesn't immediately frighten away everbody halfway sane
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54445 @ 0.00050305 = 27.3886 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: *everybody
mircea_popescu: no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for a while yet.
asciilifeform: i am in the process of working this transmogrification for pgp, a CONSIDERABLY simpler animal, and am astonished every day
mircea_popescu: but i think merely the point that it's broken is worth stating. because apparently the people that understand it's broken didn't know it worked like this (me) and the people that knew how it worked... well... got seduced.
asciilifeform: seduced ?
mircea_popescu: "it's fine, it works like this"
asciilifeform: ahh
asciilifeform: the important thing imho is to distinguish 'broken' (if only this!) from the actuality - ~~misengineered~~
mircea_popescu: it's misdesigned.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: if we admit this was deliberate rather than "oh look what i can do! &^*p!"
asciilifeform: malleation doesn't happen via cosmic rayz, no.
asciilifeform: nor was the original 'feature' emplaced thereby.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of this : are you aware, for a chuckle, that leveldb "replaced" bdb in bitcoin in the sense that... not. because bdb is still linked because used for wallet.
mircea_popescu: so... "let's keep all the holes we had and add a whole new layer!"
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361206 << you can'[t simultaenously hold this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361174 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:45:07; asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:31:31; asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head
mircea_popescu: they are mutually contradictory.
asciilifeform: how's that ?
asciilifeform: seems like they go happily together
mircea_popescu: either they care or they don't.
mircea_popescu: if they don't care then not shooting anyone. if shooting anyone, then yes they care.
asciilifeform: the elected buggers don't rule.
asciilifeform: and know better than to try.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798881 << see also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2014 21:39:02; asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
asciilifeform: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778095 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361228 << lol someone is airlifting whores INTO teh ukraine ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:55:42; asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev
asciilifeform: cia is an equal-opportunity employer! (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: last i visited kharkov, nice student chicks sat topless in the windows of the "student campus" buildings, 20 dollars.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "deprives the most significant investors in companies their ability"
mircea_popescu: missing of.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00050306 = 3.1693 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361270 << chix, not so much. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 01:26:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks...
asciilifeform: > 0
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361278 << omg b-a skeptic! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 01:42:46; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.
asciilifeform: fwiw since i banned aws i get steady round-the-clock connections from cn. but i have no particular reason to think that they represent miners.
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
asciilifeform: (on all 3 trb nodes under my flag)
BingoBoingo: Also checking the spam que, fucking NBA and Lebron James are spamming SEO to their actual domains
asciilifeform: l0l those are spam keywordz!
asciilifeform: just me seeing those strings on my screen is a bug.
mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: google is much more successful than ms ever was at "shit on open source".
asciilifeform revved up a lispatron this week and noticed what phf was speaking of
mircea_popescu: and since they own 1/13 or so of the fed printing press, they can keep "paying them" to do it.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk
mircea_popescu: yea
asciilifeform for the lulz, actually went and installed visualstudio-for-linux! it builds strictly c#
asciilifeform: and is a smoking pile of rubbish
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
mircea_popescu: how can it "strictly" ?
asciilifeform: no c compiler in there
mircea_popescu: so how is it for linux ?
mircea_popescu: do they have a C# linux ?
asciilifeform: they built it for linux
asciilifeform: with what they bootstrapped the build, i do not know
mircea_popescu: i do not understand.
asciilifeform: well they have a 'dotnet' runtime for lin
mircea_popescu: what linux ?
asciilifeform: which was bootstrapped, presumably, in c/asm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint
mircea_popescu: but that box included c compiler no ?
asciilifeform: whatever they built it on, most certainly (unless it was hand-carved in asm)
asciilifeform: but the turd ~itself~ will not compile c/cpp.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait. it's a large binary turd that somehow runs as a binary turd on your gentoo ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: i see.
asciilifeform: believe or not.
mircea_popescu: this is so dumb it takes three passes to take in
asciilifeform: this is not an impossible feat.
asciilifeform: (there is, e.g., 'steam', for linux, iirc)
asciilifeform: and for that matter, trb.
mircea_popescu: heh. myeah.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361373 << lol ok. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:36:41; dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362026 << BingoBoingo, the name itself is spam ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:42:13; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile
asciilifeform: at least from my pov
BingoBoingo: Das Racis
BingoBoingo: Perfect name for a boat
asciilifeform: just like i will quite likely never, under any conceivable turn of events, give half a fuck about 'louis vuitton'
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, that string is an instant classifier for spammitude
asciilifeform: in fact, for many years i had no idea what it referred to outside of spam.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361397 <<=-=>> http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:43:44; dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLchSi )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform u a mysogenist bro ?
asciilifeform: the intersection of females i give half a phuq about and the set that have any truck with l v is null
asciilifeform: afaik.
asciilifeform: ditto lewhateverthefuckon
asciilifeform: bron.
mircea_popescu: but do you fuck sluts ?
asciilifeform: not presently
asciilifeform: but if i took it up, would i need to study spam purses ?
mircea_popescu: prolly.
asciilifeform: i don't hunt polar bears, either. and yes, i know that it is possible, provided that one rearranges his life in particular ways
asciilifeform: in which i'd rather not rearrange
asciilifeform: 'no phree lunch'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu fucks 10 new sluts daily but pays for this by having to think about louis vuitton
asciilifeform: and possibly even lebron.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, basescu's (ro president for many years) gal (elena udrea) spent half her time on this shit.
mircea_popescu: and she was rather competent otherwise.
asciilifeform: i was thinking of emelda marques
mircea_popescu: not quite the same. this woman actually was useful.
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: and recall the old thread re spending moneyz ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: to sum it up, not everyone in the wow's playing a warlock.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: that said, i'm null for pouches. and "i know shoes" but not in the sense chicks usually mean.
asciilifeform: relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller / shinohai / whoever has a tardstalk acct, plox let 'em know too kthx.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361515 << aka "i'm a 100% remora working at attaching myself to the republic on behalf of the empire". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 15:46:58; ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever wonder, how come these folks never turn ?
asciilifeform: why never 'i am filippo remora and i am tired of this shit, here is a copy of my marching orders and quarterlies for past 5 yrs'
mircea_popescu: do you ever wonder why ambitious but lazy, fat but stupid "feminists" "genderqueer" blabla never win miss america ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're too old. for the other... wut ?
mircea_popescu: you clearly have never run a shitshop.
asciilifeform: too old?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think gives the scum "orders" ?
asciilifeform: hitler?
mircea_popescu: you think the verbose explanation provided by the evil guy in b movies is irl ?
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: but if the snowden2 slides are genuine, we know approx what it looks like.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361860 << I couldn't get this pheature working in 0.7.x using 0.9 series code, ended up just making 0.7-ish low-s sign because malleation is annoying ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:14:58; kakobrekla: re that zapwallet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, the scum are not undirected, they have objectives
asciilifeform: granted, sometimes they are directed in the same sense as a pirannha pit
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 'aggressive queer-gendered' google folks, they are picked for being militant tards and given free rein)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361537 << very typical wwweb-ism, this. "wikipedia is correct because that's what we've read on wikipedia". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 16:03:37; ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
asciilifeform: hey goes back to at least aristotle
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes' ☟︎
asciilifeform: though possibly today they take a shorter-leash approach, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: so what are they going to "publish" ?
BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain ☟︎
asciilifeform: them - nothing
mircea_popescu: that "mp is mean" ? we know. that "being sensitive is nice and vice-versa" ? we also know.
mircea_popescu: they got nuttin.
asciilifeform: but occasionally a real person gets recruited into muppet corps by mistake ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: done https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13470841#msg13470841 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080 ☝︎
assbot: BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLdM2N )
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ocasionally an elephant takes flight with a flock of passing geese
mircea_popescu: by mistake.
asciilifeform: not quite same
mircea_popescu: ty shinohai
mircea_popescu: from where i sit it seems da same.
shinohai: np.
asciilifeform: pretty much EVERY thinking fella working for a living in usaschwitz is doing SOMETHING usgtronic.
asciilifeform: even if indirectly.
asciilifeform: just like in su.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: every elephant lives under where birds fly. yes.
asciilifeform: i mean, occasionally http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351867 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 16:03:08; asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.'
asciilifeform: or rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351853 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 15:46:13; asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60)
asciilifeform: once in a while - the elephant lights rocket in his arse and yes, flies.
asciilifeform: with the motherfucmking eagles.
asciilifeform: at least - temporarily.
asciilifeform: better example of 'real person serving as muppet flees and tells interesting things' is rezun
asciilifeform: in fact, a great many of the su defectors
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361578 << yeah, not bad on paper, like every other solution to the prisoner's dilemma. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 20:44:23; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking.
asciilifeform: hey let's boycott food and shelter !
asciilifeform: that'll do it.
asciilifeform: that way we can get commyooonizm in 1980!
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: would bring rents down...
asciilifeform: surely!
asciilifeform: incidentally this is not any more OR less ridiculous than 'go shoot a cop'
asciilifeform: same 'just fuckin do it!111' non-solution to prisoner's dilemma.
mircea_popescu: aha. i didn't say it was ridiculous, either.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361583 << much better. recall my "send your teen to live in africa for a year, take african teen in for a year" ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 20:48:23; pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
mircea_popescu: the experience'd benefit western idjit kids immensely.
mircea_popescu: straightn out basic things such as "am i overweight" "what is rape" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361596 << there's nothing nice about them and they aren't men. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:02:34; pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about inva
mircea_popescu: infantilized drone barely capable to serve as a man's prince albert.
asciilifeform: what, even the muscular fella in the centre ?
mircea_popescu: that guy is from lebanon.
mircea_popescu: the german kid is on the left.
asciilifeform: ah!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361610 << someone somewhere ok'd this. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:18:47; jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, 10 yos didn't have a daddy, will get a daddy when they're 20. for them and the wife.
asciilifeform: l0l what wife.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361622 << word. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:21:57; ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the woman that is there to dock his paychecks later on.
asciilifeform: owner.
mircea_popescu: very easy for western muppet to get married. ask ukr chick.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361635 << it's a mix. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:35:48; ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
mircea_popescu: for that reason.
asciilifeform: yeah but is the manual component any kind of barrier against it presently.
asciilifeform: (does somebody actually walk the wallet by hand? apparently not!)
mircea_popescu: it's complicated.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361881 << holding a billion dollars worth of funbux IS PAYING !111!1 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:42:19; asciilifeform: pay for it to happen.
mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361874 << yeah i intend to. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:33:00; kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:01:34; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely
mircea_popescu: anyway, re german penis ornaments : in fairness merely a coupla centuries ago their grandfathers went to congo or wherever and used the local boys in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reason.
mircea_popescu: nature's the ultimate fairness.
mircea_popescu: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault-steal-one-german-train-station-new-years-eve/ << lulzy.
assbot: REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve ... ( http://bit.ly/1mHybvR )
mircea_popescu: germany had it's own rotherham.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00049879 = 26.6853 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362177 << wai wut ?! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:40:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under.
mircea_popescu: anyway, jack baruth dude's puttign way too much pressure on the kid.
mircea_popescu: manhood is all about lazy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a large pile of transactions bitbet is making, which are the topic of that conversation.
asciilifeform: ah them
asciilifeform: i misread as mircea_popescu having paid somebody 1kbtc to work on mircea_popescucoin.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362174 << i can print and 'hodl' ten quintillion shares in an imaginary interstellar shipping company, does not bring ftl flight any closer ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:38:57; mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares.
mircea_popescu: but if you print them and i hodl them, i will be correct in saying that i invested their value in ftl flight.
mircea_popescu: poor investment as that may be.
asciilifeform: if you paid something for them - yes
asciilifeform: then, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, you invested whatever it was that you paid.
mircea_popescu: mno. that pov is "pot-investment". ie, since i put 5 dollars in the pot, i own 5 dollars in the pot.
mircea_popescu: the value is whatever you could get for them.
asciilifeform is 'poorfag' and reasons in such terms, yes
mircea_popescu: which is why whether i bought a bitcoin for a dollar or for a thousand, my current holding value for a bitcoin is still whatever ELSE i could get for a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "2) a large fleet of submarines currently being equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles (a capability the US Navy still lacks) for holding the “barbarians” at a distance from the fight;" << heh. let's best not talk about that.
asciilifeform: incidentally note the lack of a 'naval isis'
asciilifeform: something about supersonic sea rockets that seems to favour mega-state, mega-surprise
mircea_popescu: this has been a historical problem of the arabs.
mircea_popescu: couldn't sail for shit.
asciilifeform: and note how the golden age of piracy ended.
asciilifeform: and ever watch those little clips on youtube of what happens when ru navy runs into somalis ?
mircea_popescu: by spain going bankrupt ?
mircea_popescu: i dun watch youtubeh.
asciilifeform: while one or more mega-states remain standing - they own the sea.
asciilifeform: and air.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049731 = 11.4879 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (in the same way, and for same reason, as btc mining)
mircea_popescu: spain was megastate, owned nothing.
mircea_popescu: again : nobody owns the free man.
asciilifeform: megastate was not invented.
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: ferdinand did not have panopticon.
mircea_popescu: looky : you can try and package this until the cows come home. there shall never be an acceptable excuse.
mircea_popescu: freedom's inside.
asciilifeform: if that were the only kind that counted, folks would be happy to wear the napoleon hat at the nuttery
asciilifeform: while... phreeeee inside!111
mircea_popescu: not what i said in any sense.
asciilifeform: then what means 'freedom's inside'
mircea_popescu: freedom's inside as in "by the fact that your plane's landing in your building will you know the free man".
mircea_popescu: not freedom's inside as in the pic of two dudes from earlier.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might just be the last free man left standing and i notice that he isn't in much of a hurry to fly into anything quite yet
mircea_popescu: you got your system o' coordinates wrong.
mircea_popescu: everything's, to date, very fucking carefully avoided flying into me.
mircea_popescu: which explains how come it still is here.
asciilifeform: except for that one fella who molested the bitbet britneychain ?
asciilifeform: or fried the old mpex disks ?
asciilifeform: etc
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: plenty of close encounters, like with everything else.
mircea_popescu: but why am i so important anyway ?
mircea_popescu: things are what they are indifferent of me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52543 @ 0.00049731 = 26.1302 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: are they ?
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i go marry p diddy and dedicate my days to writing pop-rap, exactly nothing will have changed on this score.
asciilifeform: mebbe we all get gc'd if mircea_popescu gets switched off.
mircea_popescu: what's gc'd again ?
asciilifeform: garbagecollected
asciilifeform: mark'n'sweep.
mircea_popescu: oic
asciilifeform bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30174 @ 0.00050311 = 15.1808 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00050477 = 13.0231 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10449 @ 0.00050479 = 5.2746 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050514 = 11.7445 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050519 = 9.4976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00049708 = 1.8641 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.0004967 = 26.4493 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 7914.88388458 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.749, vol: 6883.73852 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.55, vol: 22428.33726691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.108083, vol: 56351.94240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.13, vol: 53.52266739 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 441.456, vol: 41.83891888 | Volume-weighted last average: 438.826307837
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13845 @ 0.00050519 = 6.9944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049667 = 9.4616 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00049676 = 6.905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00050521 = 23.1199 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050558 = 3.853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64500 @ 0.00049594 = 31.9881 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00050543 = 22.9971 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22392 @ 0.00050559 = 11.3212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38408 @ 0.00050647 = 19.4525 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;google chevy bolt
gribble: Bolt EV Concept Car: The Future of EV | Chevrolet: <http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/bolt-ev-concept-car.html>; The Electric Chevrolet Bolt: This Is It Before You're Supposed To See It: <http://jalopnik.com/the-electric-chevrolet-bolt-this-is-pretty-much-it-1751258676>; I drove the Chevy Bolt, GM's electric car for everyone | The Verge: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ^ Tesla's over ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.000506 = 31.3973 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55951 @ 0.00050151 = 28.06 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80732 @ 0.00050046 = 40.4031 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00050239 = 6.6818 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00050251 = 19.0703 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69344 @ 0.0005046 = 34.991 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89648 @ 0.00051246 = 45.941 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24908 @ 0.00051531 = 12.8353 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.80000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b25
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.25839739 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b26
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50861 @ 0.00050332 = 25.5994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00050273 = 28.0775 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b27
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63471 @ 0.00050108 = 31.804 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362104 leash is not needed. maybe one in a million is capable of simultaneous working in corporate machine and also under completely different paradigm on their own ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:13:30; asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00050046 = 12.5575 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362107 TCP socket that electrum wallet creates is easily replaced by serial connection, what stops you? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:14:08; *: BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain
jurov: whether "stratum" protocol fits in head for easy control, that's another question.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9882 @ 0.00049404 = 4.8821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00050028 = 6.4036 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17811 @ 0.00050131 = 8.9288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00049401 = 12.2514 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17845 @ 0.0005013 = 8.9457 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: isnt stratum a miner protocol thing?
jurov: kakobrekla: it's easily extensible
jurov: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Stratum_mining_protocol
assbot: Stratum mining protocol - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkFjLU )
jurov: Stratum protocol is based on JSON-RPC 2.0 (although it doesn’t include “jsonrpc” information in every message).
jurov: http://www.wired.com/2016/01/project-aims-to-unite-bitcoin-with-other-online-currencies/ fuuuu what a spin
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkFBCD )
jurov: “This will be something that sits on top of all the ledgers and abstracts the differences,” says Ripple chief technology officer Stefan Thomas. “We’re trying to create a global standard for payments.”
jurov: they ran off with alf's meta-nsa idea :D
punkman: https://github.com/interledger/five-bells-demo ref implementation is node.js of course
assbot: interledger/five-bells-demo · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkHP4T )
punkman: wtf does it do, some kind of cross-chain mutlisig?
kakobrekla: they just keep making up new shits as upgrades to the previous shits and juicing the vcs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42489 @ 0.00050005 = 21.2466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00049557 = 2.354 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: um...okcupiddudes should be instructed to wait longer than 5 mins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00049557 = 11.8193 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ^ Tesla's over << you wouldn't have expected a govt agency not to muscle in sooner or later neh ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1361875 << you can, if you don't care about the risk someone will send you a new payment and miners will rearrange a block so that it goes t otheir fee. incidentally, this property of the correct design combined with the baseless butthurt of the power rangers over address reuse (in which they simply follow unthinkingly the humours of satoshi) suggests to me that the derp ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:34:40; kakobrekla: "send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address.
mircea_popescu: ACTUALLY THOUGHT his design equivalent to the correct design in this aspect, and none of them meanwhile figured out the matter even exists so blindly follow.
mircea_popescu: also, jurov is exactly right. humans are monomaniacs by nature.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> “This will be something that sits on top of all the <<< dream of aparatchick. to "sit on top of all the". wherein "aparatchick" is defined as "one whose ambition exceeds his capacities".
mircea_popescu: world fulla these.
kakobrekla: in the tx inputs on the tx address arent unambiguously specified you could reuse same signed statement "move x btc fom xa to ya"
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> they just keep making up new shits as upgrades to the previous shits and juicing the vcs << precisely.
kakobrekla: if*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's what teh nonce is for.
mircea_popescu: well... that and protecting the crypto.
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, let them give their own measure. i very much appreciate the exceptional filtering b-a provides for "hey man where could i talk to you i have an important business proposal".
mircea_popescu: "can i be your partner ?" etc. i pass along a webchat linl, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform can i has nsa letter ? ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13328 @ 0.00050004 = 6.6645 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4246e8e37f11f4f10d939e8da41526c2/tumblr_n037514mNT1s2gmayo1_1280.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISCcYJ )
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 392162 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 957 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00049557 = 21.6564 BTC [-]
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362328 <<< Good morning Asseteers! :D ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 13:32:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4246e8e37f11f4f10d939e8da41526c2/tumblr_n037514mNT1s2gmayo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: hola.
shinohai: 4329 blocks to go. I might have an actual trb node by next week.
mircea_popescu: le cool.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/cute-bird-parents-41__700.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mIctaQ )
mircea_popescu: !up Chesterly
Chesterly: hey mirc. Are the end of the year bets that havent been confirmed being rebroadcast?
Chesterly: they are just sitting in mempools
mircea_popescu: Chesterly being worked on, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
mircea_popescu: !up bitbttttt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049557 = 10.4813 BTC [-]
shinohai: ^ see? I haz learned the value of patience. BitBet users not so much.
Chesterly: thank you
mircea_popescu: np.
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, it's their money.
bitbttttt: hi
Chesterly: i'm fine with being patient so long as i'm informed about the situation
Chesterly: seems bitbet is keeping users informed which is good
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you have patience to go througfh the logs it's prolly informative.
Chesterly: will do
Chesterly: thanks
shinohai: If no one else is doing it I will keep posting updates to the bitcointalk thread with mah shiny new account.
Chesterly: plz post link to that thread
Chesterly: thanks
shinohai: Lacking anything else to do lately.
mircea_popescu: idle hands are the devil's penises or how did that go shinohai
mircea_popescu: gotta get you married off or what.
shinohai: I was already married once, do not wish to repeat.
mircea_popescu: the longest serving slavegirl is gonna celebrate decade mark soon, i attest the experience's been nothing short of pleasant.
shinohai: Besides, call girls are cheaper and less annoying.
mircea_popescu: marriage is for the dogs.
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah less annoying, perhaps, but do they suckle on your toes in lieu of wake-up alarm ? hm ?
shinohai: I like to be awoken with a good hummer >.>
mircea_popescu: i'm a light sleeper :D
shinohai: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00049547 = 11.2472 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: No official trb thread on bitcointalk, all this XT, bigger blocks, and segwit nonsense there too. :/
punkman: shinohai: that'd be good for some lulz
mircea_popescu: best get a pic with nice cleavage too shinohai
shinohai: Indeed. When I haz enough forum rank I'll even make a trb signature xD
shinohai: Heh they disallow pics for noobs now
jurov: i have an old account, unused for ~2 years, don't you want it?
punkman: "Google has fixed a bug in an online tool after it began translating "Russian Federation" to "Mordor"."
shinohai: kek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00050045 = 22.5953 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: <jurov> whether "stratum" protocol fits in head for easy control, that's another question. << A lot of this. I'm imagining and "electrum" that isn't actually electrum. i.e. not a big ball of whatever that desperately wants to advertise to the world exactly what it is. basically a different better database client setup. May break down and learn to make code enough to shit one out by 2030.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00049533 = 5.4734 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34640 @ 0.00050108 = 17.3574 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00050176 = 9.2324 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00049533 = 10.6001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26772 @ 0.00049986 = 13.3823 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: asciilifeform: around?
diametric: he's at the salt mine isn't he
thestringpuller: diametric: uranium mine*
diametric: !up Xplosionist
Xplosionist: thx!
Xplosionist: Mostly I wanted voice for a bit to ask about getting a bitbet resolved early.
Xplosionist: bet 1172 can only resolve "Yes" as of this past Sunday's football game, but the original resolution time is set to be after the Superbowl.
diametric: ascii_butugychag: morning
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: How is the labor camp ascii_butugychag ?
ascii_butugychag: hey diametric !
diametric: ascii_butugychag: Xplosionist is here, he's had some good fortune on bitbet
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: meeting uranium quota
ascii_butugychag: Xplosionist !
ascii_butugychag: l0l how's that
Xplosionist: Howdy ascii!
diametric: he had faith in the redskins
diametric: when no one else did
Xplosionist: (which is hard to do I must admit)
mircea_popescu: sometimes they get closed early yeah.
ascii_butugychag: interesting. unfortunately i don't know enough re: the sport to comment
Xplosionist: The regular season ended this past weekend. The post-season is all single elimintation.
Xplosionist: So, their record if 9-7, and they can lose a maximum of one more game (which they likely will in their first post-season game, but)
Xplosionist: s/if/is
diametric: I see, so no matter what, the Redskins can only lose one more game, putting them at 9 wins, 8 losses, still making the bet resolve to yes. So theres no point in waiting until after the superbowl to resolve it?
ascii_butugychag bbl, meeting
Xplosionist: Yes diametric. Their worst posible conclustion would be 9-8. If they win more games, it will be better.
diametric: ;;rate Xplosionist 1 meatspace colleague, an actual verifiable human being.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Xplosionist has been recorded.
Xplosionist: (I don't think anyone expects them to beat the packers this weekend, but I kinda hope it might happen)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00049515 = 28.9663 BTC [-] {4}
Xplosionist: ;;rate diametric 1 coworker, verifiable human, smart guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user diametric has been recorded.
danielpbarron: !gettrust diametric Xplosionist
assbot: Trust relationship from user diametric to user Xplosionist: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=diametric&to=Xplosionist | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Xplosionist/
Xplosionist: So I just wanted to try that, so I can start the 48 hour timer on getting my reward for blind devotion. ;-)
Xplosionist: mircea_popescu: Can that bet be resolved now?
Xplosionist: diametric: You should trust asciilifeform, so there's a secondary path between us in WOT. :-)
diametric: at some point i'll sit down and figure out all the people i should jerk off in wot.
Xplosionist: danielpbarron: What's btcalpha.com, and why does it seem to have a different reading on WOT than bitcoin-otc.com?
mircea_popescu: Xplosionist bitbet's a little backed up at the moment, but prolly someone'll look into it sooner than lsater.
Xplosionist: diametric: ew! Bad picture....
danielpbarron: Xplosionist, it's a different WoT that forked from the gribble one
mircea_popescu: Xplosionist the wot got forked almost exactly a year ago.
Xplosionist: mircea_popescu thanks. I'd just rather not have to wait a month plus.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.naphex.1:0d73d0627aad426c66808bbfaa61cf3f5e460e74dde8061cd1deac0ce69d6275
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for naphex with note: Brought together BTC and babes with xotika.tv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29368 @ 0.00049678 = 14.5894 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: !up Xplosionist
Xplosionist: And bitcoin is sharply up today, I notice. This is a good thing.
diametric: I'm guessing speculation related to the chinese market crash.
diametric: hmm btc-e appears to be down.
Xplosionist: for the day? Bitstamp is up 20+, so that would be surprising.
Xplosionist: oh, you likely meant the server, not the reported BTC value. :-)
diametric: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5351 @ 0.0004942 = 2.6445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39499 @ 0.00049367 = 19.4995 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00049669 = 9.2136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82629 @ 0.00049367 = 40.7915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25148 @ 0.00049279 = 12.3927 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.01, vol: 14445.88527525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.89, vol: 46846.83436107 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 2.1 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.973463, vol: 82328.44740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.16011, vol: 88.77511911 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.319135, vol: 86.94295586 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.703309505
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/opinion/guns-anger-and-nonsense-in-oregon.html "by the editorial board" lol
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RcddCh )
punkman: "The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns." ☟︎
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O )
punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/685124632723066880
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00049234 = 18.7582 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Oh, a cool order in the -otc book https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=22599
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order id 22599 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RceQ2Z )
jurov: http://www.amazon.com/AJC-TSG100-Titanium-Roofing-Hatchet/dp/B005WY9XXE this?
assbot: AJC TSG100 Titanium Roofing Hatchet Weight 10 oz. Made in U.S.A. - Shingle Hammers - Amazon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rcf9uv )
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: It's a timekeeping device
BingoBoingo: Though that is a sweet hatchet, I dun have a titanium one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30133 @ 0.00049683 = 14.971 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: jurov: did you ever figure out anything with that segfault -- weather data corrupted or isolated to local changes to bitcoind for mempool investigation?
jurov: no, did not work on that yet
jurov: you got it too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049684 = 2.5836 BTC [+]
mod6: no, i've never seen anything like that. have stopped R.I. (sometimes for weeks at a time) then restarted without issue, lots of times. just been following along in here. just was curious.
mod6: been trying to follow up with a whole bunch of things from here actually. including this tx thing from yesterday. i've been going through the raw txs and drawing diagrams myself.
mod6: what's strange, at least to me, is why tx d8e60a097 seemed to u tx ebc5d7688 as its prev_hash instead of tx 09e82c06, which was accepted and added to block 391,657.
punkman: mod6, because teh wallet sucks
mod6: all of this 94 blocks after tx 9de6a04788
mod6: punkman: yeah, without digging into the code yet, it certainly appears that way.
mod6: s/seemed to u tx/seemed to use tx/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104631 @ 0.00049927 = 52.2391 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3709 @ 0.00050254 = 1.8639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9455 @ 0.00050253 = 4.7514 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Iran Announces Hajj Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/01/iran-announces-hajj-ban/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58568 @ 0.00050272 = 29.4433 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "If the game detects it was pirated, it will throw up a fake error message stating "Unable to shade polygon normals", which is not actually an error that can occur. The "error code" provided with the message will be equivalent to the pirate's Steam ID, causing many pirates to out themselves posting the error and its code on the official Garry's Mod forums, resulting in a ban from Steam."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16615 @ 0.00050046 = 8.3151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9271 @ 0.00049736 = 4.611 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108779 @ 0.00050404 = 54.829 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: !up Cristina
Cristina: hola hola
Cristina: gracias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13671 @ 0.0004915 = 6.7193 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: https://www.bimek.com/?lang=en huh
assbot: Bimek SLV – The new contraception for men. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n6rfZz )
jurov: "One valve is mounted on each spermatic duct and disrupts the flow of sperm cells when closed. The user is then sterile, can wear the Bimek SLV for a life time and regulate it himself with just a flip of a switch." ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Or if you want male birth control you could just blast trenbolone for great justice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38048 @ 0.00050509 = 19.2177 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: 100% vegan ?
BingoBoingo: Sure
BingoBoingo sure Big Child Support Industry is only reason effective male birth control is not available otc in pharmacies ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28967 @ 0.00049414 = 14.3138 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: dat netsplit! >.>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26177 @ 0.00049189 = 12.8762 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30621 @ 0.00049094 = 15.0331 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which two fathers attempt to unironically discuss cuckolds. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/07/in-which-two-fathers-attempt-to-unironically-discuss-cuckolds/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00049111 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00049111 = 13.8493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0004904 = 14.0254 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 454.64, vol: 15490.75269341 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 451.575, vol: 10222.81119 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 455.98, vol: 51728.15078022 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 2.84 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 453.736217, vol: 85256.03370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 453.0, vol: 131.78954268 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.567916, vol: 92.48171251 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 454.400275491
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0004935 = 8.6363 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: my new node 'tevye' is now synced (took <7 days) and 8333 is open :
pete_dushenski: using ~1.2gb of ram atm.
pete_dushenski: though rapidly running out of disk space... currently on the hunt for new vps provider.
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.15, Best ask: 456.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 456.2, 24 hour volume: 51612.52325862, 24 hour low: 427.03, 24 hour high: 459.0, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 thanks for all your help with the node set-up, it worked like a charm :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: np, glad to hear it :]
pete_dushenski: 25 connections atm
mod6: go, btc go!
pete_dushenski: though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: what's tevye btw ?
pete_dushenski: fiddler on the roof protagonist
mircea_popescu: oh oh
ben_vulpes launches a bubble from the submersible
mircea_popescu: fart ?
pete_dushenski: !s contabo
assbot: 0 results for 'contabo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=contabo
mircea_popescu: "if wealth is a curse let god smite me down with it! and let me never recover!"
pete_dushenski: ^^
mircea_popescu: o btw, you know the joke with the xtian, muslim and jew discussing religion ?
pete_dushenski: which one ?
mircea_popescu: so these three fellows are siting around extolling their respective faiths and the merits of the respective chief figurehead.
mircea_popescu: xtian explains how one day he was walking down the street, and he saw the most beautiful woman.
mircea_popescu: so he followed her, and as he was going prayed the lord, "my god, do not let me fall into sin for this woman". so as god had it the woman turned a corner, there was a church, she went in, they were married and it was all good.
mircea_popescu: praise the lord!
mircea_popescu: muslim goes : well, i saw this great horse. best horse i've ever seen.
mircea_popescu: except his fucking owner wouldn\t sell it no matter what. so i prayed to the prophet, that i may not fall into sin for this horse. so allah intervened, the horse dropped dead and all was well.
mircea_popescu: allaku snackbar!
mircea_popescu: the jew explains : one sabbath day, i was going down the street and lo! there was a hundred dollars on the ground.
mircea_popescu: so he prayed to yahweh, "oh lord, do not let me fall into sin in the holy day of sabbath". and lo and behold, all around him was suddenly wednesday.
pete_dushenski: l0l
pete_dushenski: apt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13338 @ 0.00049308 = 6.5767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15258 @ 0.00049016 = 7.4789 BTC [-] {2}
davout: mircea_popescu: good one
mircea_popescu: ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00049365 = 27.1508 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.0004937 = 10.6886 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049434 = 9.4172 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone in teh us wanna order a flowers delivery for me ?
pete_dushenski: i can probably handle it from here
pete_dushenski: take your pick http://www.usaflowerdelivery.com/ http://www.proflowers.com/usa-flowers-usa
assbot: USA Flower Delivery | Flower Delivery USA | USA Flowers Delivered ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNO3sS )
assbot: USA Flowers | Flower Delivery in America / United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNO683 )
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://time.com/4130093/best-space-photos-2015/?xid=tcoshare
assbot: The Best Space Photos of 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNOweE )
shinohai: Dear YHWH please help me locate the proper firmware for my wifi
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361807 << i had mega-fun with this when playing around with a sql schema for the blockchain ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:01:37; mircea_popescu: motherfucker what ?!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/08WNJDD
assbot: dpaste: 08WNJDD ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNPN5w )
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361890 << heh you crapping these turds out entertains me no end given how long and loudly you've yelled in the past about the impossibility of it ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:50:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2V0481K.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNS5RS )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nothing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31470 @ 0.00049434 = 15.5569 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: kk
mircea_popescu: !up unkster
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1D8YHCC.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxz7xg )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell bingoboingo no source cited for hajj ban ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.