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lobbes: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AvsQe/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!up douchebag
deedbot: douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: Okay, so this should be quite trivial
douchebag: This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
mircea_popescu: ...
douchebag: It's true though.
mircea_popescu: obviously if someone wants to make something public, then that someone made that something public.
mircea_popescu: you've got quite the hard-on for the trivial case, don't you ?
douchebag: Okay, down me then.
mircea_popescu: not even a terrible idea, but...
douchebag: I'll continue pressing this bots buttons
mircea_popescu: just don't make a lot of noise in channel.
douchebag: okay <3
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8QtVj/?raw=true
shinohai: kek, these logs today. When you piss mod6 off, you know it's real.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo corrected ver http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KEJxg/?raw=true
shinohai: heh jhvh1 down. Try lobbesbot
asciilifeform: i do not know the magic for it
lobbes: !Q
shinohai: Since I ported everything over to the trinque model (since yes I *did* find the sauce) prolly won't put it back up.
lobbes: or the whole thing: !Qlater tell
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo corrected ver http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KEJxg/?raw=true
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ty lobbes , shinohai
lobbes: oh nice shinohai. you got the markets thing working in lisp?
shinohai: The --market all thing still needs work, but ticker works. You should probably take over the gribble functions though.
lobbes: word. which ones are needed?
shinohai: I can tar the plugins up for you if you need 'em.
shinohai: Might be a few days though, plate been kinda full of late.
lobbes: that works. Honestly could be a bit before I get to them anyways
lobbes: I could always just slap up a separate gribble instance with this new pizarro shell tho. May be the cleanest that way actually.
mircea_popescu: become the first man with two bots ?
lobbes: no way I could be the first?
lobbes: for some reason I want to say someone else had two, but I cannot produce a person so mebbe not
asciilifeform: possibly old man kako
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no "from" op in your logotron is there ?
shinohai: Will do lobbes .... been busy setting up a binhost for personal use, so I don't have to compile the same goddamned packages 5,420 times.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=%22qntra.net%22&c=trilema <<< ahem
shinohai: Removing quotes woks
shinohai: *works
mircea_popescu: oh it has implicit quotes i see
ben_vulpes: i have two bots
ben_vulpes: no from op, implicit quotes
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france!☝︎
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-23 16:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/03/moves-in-trump-administration-signal-the-remains-of-the-us-moving-into-a-more-aggressive-posture/ << Qntra - Moves In Trump Administration Signal The Remains Of The US Moving Into A More Aggressive Posture
ben_vulpes: both of which are irksome, yes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the quotes i don't mind much but i need the from, can't find shit like what spyked said otherwise so i missed a "you have two" refernece, because apparently i only made a ro one on trilema and wtf.
ben_vulpes: roger
lobbes: as promised, my own compendium of mp-wp notes: http://lobbesblog.com/blog/2018/03/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/
lobbes: hopefully can be of use to someone down the line
ben_vulpes: !!pay asciilifeform 0.50046596
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eruh1/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !!v 4C51729188CF3C233EEAAE49E8F66A24285DBFE0B9F0BADEBC50679C0830FC7B
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid asciilifeform 0.50046596
mircea_popescu: aaand in best vincent price lines, "alas, why must i be plagued by the harping of magpies on the eve of battle!"
danielpbarron: !!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WhFu2/?raw=true
danielpbarron: !!rate douchebag -1 l0de fan
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/owe8o/?raw=true
trinque: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-24#318721 << I said an arbitrary account balance. Do you understand what this means?☝︎
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-24 00:22 douchebag: This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
trinque: It means I ask you "give me the balance of $x" and you respond correctly, to my satisfaction that you could do it for any account.
trinque: It does not mean you trawl through the logs hoping that someone made all his wallet operations public.
trinque: What, you took a day to go from "I'll root yer shit!" to "I-I can perl some logs..."
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/03/nine-citizens-of-iran-given-the-honour-of-inclusion-in-usg-fbis-wanted-list/ << Qntra - Nine Citizens of Iran Given the Honour of Inclusion in USG.FBI's 'Wanted List'
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-24#1789519 << Naturally. It's a good time to be in Latin America.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-24 01:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france!
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-23 16:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/03/moves-in-trump-administration-signal-the-remains-of-the-us-moving-into-a-more-aggressive-posture/ << Qntra - Moves In Trump Administration Signal The Remains Of The US Moving Into A More Aggressive Posture
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317465 << i'd add a third, which is "the insistence on the trivial case". there's a fundamental tension at work here, because we call it "exam taking", but bear it in mind that the presence of exam takers is not a flaw in the population, but a failure of the system!☝︎
mircea_popescu: uncle al's expression is "insistently rewarding poor performance breeds ennui" or somesuch, but the fundamental problem is that the ~correct~ reaction of the working mind confronted with the broken system is to... exploit the breakage.
mircea_popescu: this has the unfortunate correlate of implicitly training the best in the population to be trivial idiots (and thus manipulable), much like life in mine tunnels trains eyes out of mammals, or the life of sicilian mineworking boys bred symmetry out of their gait.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:34 asciilifeform: the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
mircea_popescu: this then is the gambit of socialism : that it'll manage to maintain the breakage long enough so that every 20yo with a working mind ends up a "web security expert". it's certainly a better approach in "threat control" than ritalin, seeing how it's "invisible" (to the afflicted eye it's quite hard to see. unlike the pill.)
mircea_popescu: but in any case : the difference between realism and idealism ~STRICTLY~ relies on the handling of the trivial case. all systems with "excepted" (a la http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#selection-165.311-165.357 ) are ~IDEAL~ systems, and suffer not merely from heine's idiocy (of hoping for "one day" modernist lightnings to fall on the picklehaube), but from the very direct problem of http://trilema.com/2014/the-
mircea_popescu: problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/
mircea_popescu: meh. http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/
diana_coman: that "correct" reaction sounds correct only for all sorts of definitions of "working mind"; dunno, working but un-reflecting; working but not worked; working blindly or something of this sort; to me it reads: "when in a broken environment, the correct reaction is to break yourself too as much as possible"; perhaps it is, along the lines of: one can hardly do anything else in that situation anyway so might as well extract the short-term app
diana_coman: arent benefit or whatevers
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, like the correctly working cunt gets wet whether it's rape or dad or whatever context. which is why "consensual nonconsent" or "DD/lg" are not things for 12 year olds.
mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-12-8#255192 << he and i both suspect that eating bananas' ultimately not good for the spirit. yet what's the nigerian to do, hold out for potatoes ? potatoes don't even grow there. move 2k miles ? on what, his own farts ?☝︎
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-12-08 14:49 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: yes obviously once the choice is presented it's the job of the mind to choose correctly. but the entire job of management consists of being provided two or more alternatives at all points and picking one. there's no such magical chosing absent alternative.
mircea_popescu: for which reason, going with the only available alternative is not unethical -- it's outside of ethics altogether (which, for the record, is not "morality" or blabla. ethics is the science of making correct choices, nothing else). obviously in practice this is conflated with wilful blindness, where the agent ~pretends~ to not have had the alternative ; and better whip for stirring idiocy to action than the false call to "ther
mircea_popescu: e's no alternative" has never been devised. nor needs to be devised, really.
mircea_popescu: but so far on the instant case, as to 1. "the internet is right there, it's your responsibility to find your way out of the pantsuit paper bag" -- well he's found the republic ; and as to 2. "make something of yourself, son"... too soon to tell yet, isn't it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-24#1789555 << i dun think anyone even suggested that the kid was a tard. he suffers from specific infectious disease, if you will, as formulated in, say, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788946 , i.e. the disease of extrinsic motivation , 'what's the minimal sweat i need to grab the brass ring'☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-24 15:31 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 19:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in my experience 20yo who already took home xxx,xxx $ 'for' doing The Wrong Thing , is incurable. but it was worth a try.
mircea_popescu: and who doesn't ?
asciilifeform: rather like cancer, 'everyone has it', but question of degree.
mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
asciilifeform: entirely like-so.
mircea_popescu: right. but he didn't come up with that shit on the spot anymore than he hit pause on the meltdown to run get some eye protection.
asciilifeform: entirely like-so. which is why asciilifeform for instance approaches every diseased kid who finds his way in here, as potentially-treatable patient
mircea_popescu: can't go wrong that way
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2018/03/nine-citizens-of-iran-given-the-honour-of-inclusion-in-usg-fbis-wanted-list/#comment-111957 << in other pantsuitology
mircea_popescu: o this is fucking precious : "Costa Rica: Want to Invest in Bitcoin? Here's What You Should Know. The Bitcoin Code ( background-image: url("//img.revcontent.com/?url=https://revcontent-p0.s3.amazonaws.com/content/images/15214283180068218300.jpg&amp;static=true&amp;pos=face&amp;h=315&amp;w=420&amp;static=true&amp;fmt=jpeg"); height: 259px; )"
mircea_popescu: scams-not-really-associated-with-bitcoin, from coinpay and buttbase all the way down to gurus, icos and the rest of the menagerie : will you take these bullshit adspaces nobody ever bought even in the days people were still buying online ads, a decade or two ago, the popunders, the "from the web", the "contextuals" all the way down to autoloaders or whatever to be your lawful wedded spouses, to honor and to cherish and to liv
mircea_popescu: e together the fuck out of humanity's sight until the great dark finally comes on our worst mistake to date, the "information superhighway" web of shit ?
trinque: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-24#318940 << yep, it's why I gave him a wager on his claims rather than negrate.☝︎
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-24 15:23 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: terf hate speech: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BgIgH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: there's what ?
mircea_popescu: idle cocksucker trying to be clever with his virtue signalling. "here's nothing for a very special dumb cunt!!!"
mircea_popescu has been quite enjoying the whole "scandal" whereby "it was really facebook (dobulespoken as "rogue" "market research" firm) thatr
mircea_popescu: that * http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ ; don't believe trilema #toxicfax #fakeboobs".
mircea_popescu: took 'em long enough...