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douchebag: Okay, so this should be quite trivial
douchebag: This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
mircea_popescu: obviously if someone wants to make something public, then that someone made that something public.
mircea_popescu: you've got quite the hard-on for the trivial case, don't you ?
douchebag: I'll continue pressing this bots buttons
shinohai: kek, these logs today. When you piss mod6 off, you know it's real.
shinohai: Since I ported everything over to the trinque model (since yes I *did* find the sauce) prolly won't put it back up.
lobbes: or the whole thing: !Qlater tell
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: oh nice shinohai. you got the markets thing working in lisp?
shinohai: The --market all thing still needs work, but ticker works. You should probably take over the gribble functions though.
lobbes: word. which ones are needed?
shinohai: I can tar the plugins up for you if you need 'em.
☟︎ shinohai: Might be a few days though, plate been kinda full of late.
lobbes: that works. Honestly could be a bit before I get to them anyways
lobbes: I could always just slap up a separate gribble instance with this new pizarro shell tho. May be the cleanest that way actually.
lobbes: no way I could be the first?
lobbes: for some reason I want to say someone else had two, but I cannot produce a person so mebbe not
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no "from" op in your logotron is there ?
shinohai: Will do lobbes .... been busy setting up a binhost for personal use, so I don't have to compile the same goddamned packages 5,420 times.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the quotes i don't mind much but i need the from, can't find shit like what spyked said otherwise so i missed a "you have two" refernece, because apparently i only made a ro one on trilema and wtf.
lobbes: hopefully can be of use to someone down the line
ben_vulpes: !!v 4C51729188CF3C233EEAAE49E8F66A24285DBFE0B9F0BADEBC50679C0830FC7B
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid asciilifeform 0.50046596
mircea_popescu: aaand in best vincent price lines, "alas, why must i be plagued by the harping of magpies on the eve of battle!"
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-24 00:22 douchebag: This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
trinque: It means I ask you "give me the balance of $x" and you respond correctly, to my satisfaction that you could do it for any account.
trinque: It does not mean you trawl through the logs hoping that someone made all his wallet operations public.
trinque: What, you took a day to go from "I'll root yer shit!" to "I-I can perl some logs..."
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317465 << i'd add a third, which is "the insistence on the trivial case". there's a fundamental tension at work here, because we call it "exam taking", but bear it in mind that the presence of exam takers is not a flaw in the population, but a failure of the system!
mircea_popescu: uncle al's expression is "insistently rewarding poor performance breeds ennui" or somesuch, but the fundamental problem is that the ~correct~ reaction of the working mind confronted with the broken system is to... exploit the breakage.
mircea_popescu: this has the unfortunate correlate of implicitly training the best in the population to be trivial idiots (and thus manipulable), much like life in mine tunnels trains eyes out of mammals, or the life of sicilian mineworking boys bred symmetry out of their gait.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:34 asciilifeform: the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
mircea_popescu: this then is the gambit of socialism : that it'll manage to maintain the breakage long enough so that every 20yo with a working mind ends up a "web security expert". it's certainly a better approach in "threat control" than ritalin, seeing how it's "invisible" (to the afflicted eye it's quite hard to see. unlike the pill.)
diana_coman: that "correct" reaction sounds correct only for all sorts of definitions of "working mind"; dunno, working but un-reflecting; working but not worked; working blindly or something of this sort; to me it reads: "when in a broken environment, the correct reaction is to break yourself too as much as possible"; perhaps it is, along the lines of: one can hardly do anything else in that situation anyway so might as well extract the short-term app
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, like the correctly working cunt gets wet whether it's rape or dad or whatever context. which is why "consensual nonconsent" or "DD/lg" are not things for 12 year olds.
mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-12-08 14:49 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: yes obviously once the choice is presented it's the job of the mind to choose correctly. but the entire job of management consists of being provided two or more alternatives at all points and picking one. there's no such magical chosing absent alternative.
mircea_popescu: for which reason, going with the only available alternative is not unethical -- it's outside of ethics altogether (which, for the record, is not "morality" or blabla. ethics is the science of making correct choices, nothing else). obviously in practice this is conflated with wilful blindness, where the agent ~pretends~ to not have had the alternative ; and better whip for stirring idiocy to action than the false call to "ther
mircea_popescu: e's no alternative" has never been devised. nor needs to be devised, really.
mircea_popescu: but so far on the instant case, as to 1. "the internet is right there, it's your responsibility to find your way out of the pantsuit paper bag" -- well he's found the republic ; and as to 2. "make something of yourself, son"... too soon to tell yet, isn't it.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-24 15:31 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 19:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in my experience 20yo who already took home xxx,xxx $ 'for' doing The Wrong Thing , is incurable. but it was worth a try.
mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
mircea_popescu: right. but he didn't come up with that shit on the spot anymore than he hit pause on the meltdown to run get some eye protection.
mircea_popescu: scams-not-really-associated-with-bitcoin, from coinpay and buttbase all the way down to gurus, icos and the rest of the menagerie : will you take these bullshit adspaces nobody ever bought even in the days people were still buying online ads, a decade or two ago, the popunders, the "from the web", the "contextuals" all the way down to autoloaders or whatever to be your lawful wedded spouses, to honor and to cherish and to liv
mircea_popescu: e together the fuck out of humanity's sight until the great dark finally comes on our worst mistake to date, the "information superhighway" web of shit ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-24 15:23 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
mircea_popescu: idle cocksucker trying to be clever with his virtue signalling. "here's nothing for a very special dumb cunt!!!"
mircea_popescu has been quite enjoying the whole "scandal" whereby "it was really facebook (dobulespoken as "rogue" "market research" firm) thatr