a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:00 asciilifeform: it resembles 'nano ecc' which at 1 point asciilifeform tried to port to trb
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blake2 is bernstein's hash ( consists of a slightly modified chacha, his symmetric algo )
zx2c4: spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797801 tamarin (and cryptoverif and proverif) spit out the proof too. tamarin has a nice mode that will draw diagrams and flow charts too to make it easier to digest the proofs. people even have scripts to convert the output into latex in case you want an academic paper for free...
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 20:20 spyked: zx2c4, I've been looking over the tamarin protocol verification paper and I'm curious, what does "symbolic verification" mean? also, what's the thing's output? is it just a "yes, properties hold" or does it also output the proof?
lobbes: been thinking through tickerbot design, and seems like the sane thing would be to have Process A (which is an instance of logbot-genesis with "logbot-multiple-channels-corrected" patch) running that makes changes to a postgresql database.
lobbes: Then I have Process B that is triggered on changes to that database doing the various "market price" retrieval and volume averaging. Process B inserts retrieved data into database and Process A responds accordingly
lobbes: technical design aside though, there's still that obvious fact that we have to rely on various $mtgoxes for market price :/ Though I'm not sure what be a better source for a fiat-btc exchange rate (iirc this was a mini-thread somewhere in logs)
trinque: kittycollector and sashahsas, you used the same address. someone is lazy.
deedbot: TrixxC voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 specifically for the "empty room" problem he brought up. do you follow the logic there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 19:42 avgjoe: no, it's a easy/fake study to have more spare time keeping government grants
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 20:01 deedbot: ben_vulpes unrated princessnell.
mircea_popescu: btw, does it occur to anyone else that #trilema is way ahead of i dunno, black-chicks-code or whatever other imperial nonsense in terms of both headcount, volume or value of female participation in techgeneering ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 20:48 asciilifeform: spyked: if you recall, back in the 'minsky age', that was the initial attraction of mechanical 'reasoners' -- discovery of ~simple~ inferences
a111: Logged on 2014-02-26 14:52 mircea_popescu: they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 20:55 asciilifeform: spyked: in re proof machines, i'm much moar interested in items like ACL2 , where you can affix your hand-written program to a hand-written proof of correctness in a mechanically-reliable way
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 21:29 jurov: i think the vortex sorts particles by momentum, not necessarily by temperature
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 21:38 asciilifeform: whether it is possible to create this condition mechanically, purely from result of vehicle's motion -- i do not know
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 00:42 zx2c4: spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797801 tamarin (and cryptoverif and proverif) spit out the proof too. tamarin has a nice mode that will draw diagrams and flow charts too to make it easier to digest the proofs. people even have scripts to convert the output into latex in case you want an academic paper for free...
deedbot: fmlrenln voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: tittybang voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 557D9486765678B52BA698560040F7B6EE331885 registered as tittybang.
deedbot: vdstzt voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: eh what is all this bs with taking > half an hour to produce a pic.
mircea_popescu: ima start making them redo if they manage to get devoiced.
deedbot: tittybang voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: and then they take for fuckever every
trinque: technically that one has 3 tits. what a steal.
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
shivalry: Are they really that big? like bugs?
mircea_popescu: (i kid you not, ox-eyed was a compliment 3k years ago)
shivalry: In Asia they have surgery for big eyes I believe
shivalry: I've only done this for BFs so unless they put them somewhere, not to my knowledge.
mircea_popescu: well, i change my mind on occasion, but alter it ? not really.
shivalry: Nope, I just like to see how people look at such things
shivalry: I believe the mind can be made malleable again under the right circumstances.
shivalry: Learning, understanding abstracts
shivalry: We shell ourselves off with age and our thoughts become cemented.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the very obvious "why on earth would you want something like that", it's a matter of certainty that no such wonder is chemically achievable.
shivalry: What about psychotherapy ? MDMA in a clinical environment for PTSD
mircea_popescu: consider a simple and more obvious case : taking a specialized cell and convincing it to revert to stem situation.
mircea_popescu: this is not possible, very strictly, because specialization happens in a single enthalpic direction : through information loss. no specialized cell will ever be a stem cell again, exactly in the way no broken glass will become the glass it was again.
mircea_popescu: now, you CAN induce chemically something very much like stem situation.
shivalry: I suppose the retardation is more difficult, similar to something thats been oxidized.
mircea_popescu: and yes, you have carcinogenic substances, which make specialized cells "malleable". it's never superpowers, though.
shivalry: Ive seen this work out poorly though, yes
mircea_popescu: there's no good reason to suspect the above model is not exactly the case with neurons and neotenification. moreover, there's EXCELLENT reason to suspect the interest is quite psychogenic.
shivalry: It shouldn't be used as the sole means but rather a tool is where people get it misunderstood.
mircea_popescu: so the good talk therapist would point out to the person interested in this particular magic pill exactly what he'd say to the "i want ai because i don't have a gf" nut : "have you tried the NATURALLY OCCURING solutions first ?"
mircea_popescu: rather than trying to revert to an imagined childhood to resolve whatever frustation/block, how about just being an adult.
shivalry: Sometimes ego death has benefits though.
mircea_popescu: in any case, without exception known or possible, the adult that hallucinates childhood as a preferrable state has ~other~ issues.
mircea_popescu: but this is principally a measure of how broken the society they come from actually is.
shivalry: Slavegirls, can you explain how that works?
shivalry: You actually buy them outright?
shivalry: What does that situation look like, dynamics wise?
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
shivalry: I would like some slave boys 😍
shivalry: Idk, the idea of someones life revolving around appeasing me. Seems powerful feeling.
shivalry: I suppose it goes both ways though too...
shivalry: I am just unsure how such a situation works in practice.
shivalry: You need a documentary. Ideas are received better through media sometimes.
shivalry: mircea_popescu: My friend want to do too, can they use this account?
shivalry: Yea I have ckang help then. Ty
deedbot: lilly_ voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: lilly_ voiced for 30 minutes.
lilly_: Sorry had a phonecall, same # mircea_popescu ?
lilly_: I do this one then brb
mircea_popescu: nah it's ok lilly_ , you'll be famous for the hundred dollar phonecall. neeeext.
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: ascii_lander voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 9AC2C92DC81DF86C575819F93F37D38EAF9EDE6C registered as ascii_lander.
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ascii_lander 1 << asciilifeform's lander module, 4.14 -- 4.19
BingoBoingo: So there is a very small fraction of the people normally at the CoWork on Fridays here. I can't tell if it is because it is Friday the 13th or if it is the Mumps outbreak.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694066 <-- experimental indecent (no ssd, no sata3) node has kept reliably at top for > 2 months after installing asciilifeform's aggressive pushget blocks patch; conclusion so far: can be indecent IF only aggressive too!
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:56 asciilifeform: and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd )
mod6: thanks for the update diana_coman. i've been running with that patch too -- I've had some falling behind I believe not related to his vpatch, and instead related to ssd disk flakyness (as detailed in last month's SoBA).
mod6: I did a core dump, and the call stack seems to indicate when I'm "stuck", it's stuck in an lseek() call.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Generally since aggression nodes began the trb ecosystem has been much more sync'd from my perch.
diana_coman: mod6, fwiw I'm again locked out of trilema-mod6 ("channel is invite only")
diana_coman: mod6, I had a look at that dump but sadly I can't say I get what's going on exactly atm
mod6: thanks for taking a peek at the disasm
mod6: i do have core files available if you request them. will pgp-gram them to you, rather large tho.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 04:40 shivalry: Do you live a Christian lifestyle?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 07:34 danna33: mircea_popescu: Ready
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron amusingly enough, the argument can well be brought that the seeking lost are closer than the content.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 31:6 :: Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes i was just discussing that yesterday. the lost man who thinks his life sucks verses the lost man who thinks his life is great : the former is at least one step closer to the truth of the matter
mircea_popescu: by the time some waitress somewhere's willing to try just about any chemsludge in the hope she might extract herself from the imposition of the world as she perceives it, you'd be at serious pains to show her much of a sinner.
mircea_popescu: but of course, the methodist heresy is strong in our colonies, they imagine sin is the form of sin to avoid looking at the substance of anything.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 3:23 :: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
danielpbarron: drunkards wills not inherit the kingdom of God; a lost man is not saved by drinking a lot -- the strong drink offer is twofold: if you are going to perish (burn in hell), you might as well enjoy life now ; and, maybe in your drunkeness you will see the folly of your lifestyle, and turn to God
mircea_popescu: the brief discussion supports the interpretation, her justification ultimately was "maybe i find something".
deedbot: shivalry voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: but the lost man is not saved by his abstinence either
danielpbarron: and in living what he imagines to be a righteous lifestyle, is perhaps less likely to turn to the truth
diana_coman: the one in the woods quite as usual if changed for the usual erosion that has been going on in that area ever since I know it; the town-wilderness was somehow sad beyond description
diana_coman: for all the supposed Easter and all the supposed town, it felt for the first time like the villages in Baragan; possibly part of the explanation it's also the first time I saw queues (as in actual queues, more than 20 people) at the ..."currency exchange and pawn shop" places
diana_coman: ugh, barfs that I don't have flash I suppose
mircea_popescu: why'd someone package a "click through my art" in flash is anyone's guess. wtf the parasitosis!
diana_coman: yes, a very palpable sense of "why bother do anything anymore" / "no hope, no tomorrow, no nothing" sort of thing
diana_coman: ah, that part I see; I tried to click on Start...
mircea_popescu: ah, yeah. anyway, it's pretty much a game of puzzle based on that chick's art.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: meanwhile in spykedisms, 'I further propose that current definitions of the term operating system are ill-conceived, and that the problem of how to properly design a general-purpose operating system is in principle unresolvable, first and foremost because there is no such thing as a "general-purpose operating system"'
diana_coman: ah, ah, I think I know the sort; some inept "story line" in short bits and otherwise still gotta do the clicking for this or for that, either "farm" or "puzzle" or whatevers same thing underneath
deedbot: tittybang voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: it has a decent atmosphere of psychotic terror, but otherwise yes, some evil dood is sucking the life out of chained children to prolong his own.
mircea_popescu: because totally children have like intrinsic value and we give a shit and whatnot.
douchebag: hey I was away when she didn't know how to get revoiced
mircea_popescu: tittybang 4b656366 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, the blood they have what; life = vitality there
diana_coman: or at least that was the old idea as far as I know it
mircea_popescu: spyked how about THIS definition for the operating system : "that set of code that is trusted implicitly". this then makes EVERYTHING on a windows machine operating system, which i contend is right and proper -- the necessary result of opaque monolith systems design is universalization of the os.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now then, a "general purpose operating system" is "that set of code which is trusted implicitly", "as long as it makes no particular assumptions about the rest of the code that will run on the machine".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the moment we bake in the assumption that "this is a bitcoin node", suddenly the os is no longer gp ; we'll want a special fs in there etc.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: ah, yeah. anyway, it's pretty much a game of puzzle based on that chick's art.
mircea_popescu: other similar assumptions could be baked, "this is a phuctor ; this is a torrents box, etc". but irrespective -- if any is baked it's a special purpose and if none is baked its a general purpose os.
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw, that thing's coming along, gotta slap a kernel and bootloader on it, and we're done. maybe this evening.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i'd very much like a spos for my torrent box -- a fs that only allocates the disk in 1mb chunks would be good ; a better nic driver would be better.
shinohai: hey mircea_popescu that Trixxi girl messaged me on telegram and said she made a gpg key in kleopatra
deedbot: TrixxC voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: check out teh sudden productivities. what's that written there TrixxC , minnow ?
shinohai: it's raining tits of late. April showers and all i suppose
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 15:15 mod6: I did a core dump, and the call stack seems to indicate when I'm "stuck", it's stuck in an lseek() call.
mircea_popescu: mod6 61 relocation events... i guess it's starting to go the way of rust.
mod6: yeah. and these chumbawumbas also sold me an old ass drive too
mod6: that's 146 days. mind you, I only had this emplaced in my box in like beginning of march or some such.
mod6: nope. called dc, was like sweet as pie, "plz put in ssd, or i'll send you one, can you put in?" "yup, we've got one, no problem."
mod6: just was surprised 'tis all. thought it was new, or i would have sent one myself.
mod6: anyway, will take it up with them. but that's probably what i've been chasing for the lsat few weeks.
mircea_popescu: in general anything under warranty is considered perfectly ok. and afaik it's 10k or 20k hours depending.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it might be, i dunno it necessarily is, disk is far from dead-dead.
mod6: I'm still keeping an eye on it. I'm all ears if anyone has any debugging suggestions.
mircea_popescu: mod6 keep an eye on the following item : lseek deaths vs increases of relocation counts.
mod6: (i gleaned 'lseek()' from the 0x8 syscall, not sure if im accurate on that tho)
mircea_popescu: if they go up in step you have a pretty decent empirical reason to use raids like everyone else :D
mod6: lol, ok Sir. Thanks for the advise.
mod6: fwiw, other than this little hiccup, been running great.
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola 563661f6 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
deedbot: danna33 voiced for 30 minutes.
danna33: mircea_popescu: I am here for the titsforbits
mircea_popescu: danna33 52454fae << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
thatbitchlola: i used to be a prostitute, now i pimp out the younger girls
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 17:27 mircea_popescu: zx2c4 the good news is that i am now finally in a position to explain what EXACTLY is meant by "terrorist" : that feeling in
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797417 when shit keeps coming and coming and coming up. what is it, if not spiritual terror ?
danna33: it looks like it references itself
BingoBoingo: danna33: You are looking at the wrong side of the pointer. Gotta rotate it 45 degrees to your right
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola do you understand why you need crypto in your line ?
thatbitchlola: yeah he was telling me how he used to buy bitcoin for 250 per
thatbitchlola: and then he showed me the price of bitcoin and its like 8000 now! wtf whyy???
thatbitchlola: he explained how this is how to secure communications that the feds cant crack
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so now... you're still not going to say how much the all-nighter is for a pair ?
BingoBoingo: Then specify it por favor. Stahp spreading Chicago centricism and marginalizing rural voices.
douchebag: SluttyDiamond: is here for tits too
deedbot: SluttyDiamond voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: is the one you need to talk to
hanbot: douchebag what's with the overbearing announcement of each and every chick you invite in here?
mod6: welcome to irc.bitcoin-nipples.net
douchebag: i got a bunch interested right now
ben_vulpes: and clearly none of them can type on their own
hanbot: it's pretty clear why they're here, between their saying so and their own statement of purpose. why do you put 1 - 5 lines of announcement for every.single.one?
hanbot: err, between their names and their own statement of purpose.
mircea_popescu: SluttyDiamond 2fb5eb10 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
hanbot: douchebag : just sayin', a lot of people read these logs. it gets tedious reading the announcement over and over again.
mircea_popescu: douchebag so did we mostly see thatbitchlola 's stable, or are these actually unrelated caches ?
mircea_popescu: so then what's yo lazy ass waiting for, get the hos writing neh!
mircea_popescu: that way you can move into the future, conduct your negotiations as "three bitcents for 9348aafb and 2.5 bitcents for ffa03994"
mircea_popescu: will give the old farts in the chicago senate heartburn.
deedbot: haleyyyyy voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: haleyyyyy: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> will give the old farts in the chicago senate heartburn. << haha there's a fact
mircea_popescu: haleyyyyy 96ddc81a << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: hanbot these are gonna become incantations lol. "hi i'm here to show you my tits" "<< it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally." and so on.
mircea_popescu 's experimentation in wetware computing & networking is proceeding apace.
deedbot: thatbitchlola voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola you can voice yourself now ; say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v the string it gives you (have to decrypt first)
BingoBoingo: thatbitchlola: trinque usually processes withdrawals once a day.
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola not this long usually ; im waiting for trinque to show up there's something weird going on.
deedbot: kori_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you verifying the otps in private?
zx2c4: hello mircea_popescu
zx2c4: wondering - how might i achieve great wealth and donations for wireguard from you/trilema?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: zx2c4: You spoke a lot yesterday, but neglected an important question: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but that doesn't explain his daddy
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i don't get it, you just got a coin, should last you a while neh ?
zx2c4: my daddy is /proc/kcore and he's connected to a debugger.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: some time, though of course not enough to support a whole project for a whole year. i'm wondering about great flowering riches
mircea_popescu: why are you doing systems programming if you're after great flowering riches ? go into business.
zx2c4: i like systems programming in crypto
mircea_popescu: so then do what you like. you'll never be rich, but with some luck you'll never die
mircea_popescu: where luck mostly evaluates to "making sense to people in power".
zx2c4: i wasn't planning on immortality, but if you say so...
zx2c4: so, slightly more disappointing of a prospect
douchebag: mircea_popescu I'm talking to thatbitchlola right now, apparently she got paid before she registered her PGP key
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you pretty much work alone on the thing, don;t you ?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: for the most part, though trying to get some interns this summer via GSoC
mircea_popescu: douchebag maybe i checked too late. anyway, ima wait for the man to come by and set this straight.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 how's that work out btw ? i vaguely considered it for eulora but never actually bothered to push the point.
zx2c4: mostly really under-qualified applicants. but if you already know students who are smart, or have some better means of reaching out to them than just the gsoc landing page, then it's possible to hand select people you'd like to work on stuff, and give them summer funding.
mircea_popescu: except of course if they're also dreaming of great towering riches in exchange for doing what they were going to do anyway.
zx2c4: yea. it pays worse than real internships. so the pool of students willing to do it is smaller than what you'd wish
zx2c4: large part of the student motivation is the mentoring, i suppose
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never bothered ; basically the whole "tech" imperial flea circus is this game of trying to outsource your costs on a sucker. whether it's ugc or gsoc, or "investing" or w/e else.
zx2c4: which is why real funding for wireguard would be so much better
zx2c4: rare occurrence with FLOSS though
zx2c4: proper funding would mean fewer "suckers"
mircea_popescu: understand, being poor is like being skinny : no lion running after you.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: this article is about making a company right? i'm not doing that. im just writing painstaking careful code and giving it to the world for free
☟︎ mircea_popescu: zx2c4 it's more generally about how the whole sucker business works.
mircea_popescu: i promise you it's worth the read ; if you read it and think otherwise you can come here an' complain.
BingoBoingo: So many experiments in programming the wetware today!
mircea_popescu: costa rica is starting to rub off on me, biodiversidad Y TECHNODIVERSIDAD!
zx2c4: i still dont see how this applies to my situation,
zx2c4: but interesting read nonetheless
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 it relates specifically to the "which is why real funding for wireguard would be so much better". no, it wouldn 't be. you'd just end up trapped in some sort of bullshit deal.
zx2c4: i'd be wary of any 'deal' that's different from: 'i'm given money. you're given warm feelings of having helped the internet.'
☟︎ mircea_popescu: zx2c4 understand, this self-flattering notion that you're in control is bunk. you're in no position to be in control in that sense. all that you're filtering for by that mechanism is "bullshit deal i don't comprehend". which... of course you would be.
mircea_popescu: evolution at work, the reason the fish doesn't remove the bloodsucker is that the bloodsucker is so designed as to sit in the fish's blind spot.
zx2c4: to put differently, if 2000 BTC suddenly showed up in 1ASnTs4UjXKR8tHnLi9yG42n42hbFYV2um, I'd be quite happy and don't think i'd be worse off
mircea_popescu: douchebag it's almost certainly due to their not having had keys ; because otherwise payments work.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you'd be terribly worse off, and so would be the bitcoin ecosystem.
☟︎ zx2c4: the latter point -- because you suppose i'd convert it to EUR and that'd harm BTC in general?
mircea_popescu: and in exactly the way a toddler suddenly getting 2000 Nm impulse would be worse off.
zx2c4: oh, i really don't think that'd be the case
douchebag: yeah because SluttyDiamond is having the same problem
zx2c4: i'm pretty certain no calamity would come of it...
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 this certainty is borne out of nothing in particular. i've been sitting here for many years, watching many kinds and sorts of people getting power beyond their means.
douchebag: once trinque vertifies that's the issue you'll repay them mircea_popescu - correct ?
zx2c4: i dont think it'd translate into any kind of significant "power beyond my means"
zx2c4: i realize that's the classic trope -- it's the kind of thing you read about all the time
zx2c4: but it clearly doesn't happen with _all people_
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 looky, the only reason you want "an infinity of monyz" is "so that i don't have to tihnk of monyz anymore", which is simply the way you've rephrased "so i can be stupid with impunity" in a way to meet your blindspots.
zx2c4: the reason is actually, "so that i can have a fixed income without any concrete labor obligations"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you want a lot of monyz, business is the only way. there, you risk losing it, and you learn what it is and how it works. if that's not of your interest, you can never have it. period. even if you think you do, for whatever reason. are you familiar with the all-amusing ers example ?
zx2c4: how does that necessarily lead to "being stupid"? what if i just choose to raise a boring family and live a boring life?
mircea_popescu: money has specific needs of you, duh. what, you think it cares about your family ?
mircea_popescu: you have to answer questions, and answer them correctly, and for ~all time.
zx2c4: i know a lot of rich people with trust funds set up by their ancestors. they receive fixed income every month, and otherwise aren't hassled
mircea_popescu: and i know jewish cemeteries with upkept graves. what's the difference ?
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me these shambling ruins are people or something.
deedbot: lauren22 voiced for 30 minutes.
zx2c4: one difference is that the ruins aren't people, not that they are, obviously. not sure i'm getting your rhetorical point...
mircea_popescu: but what is the difference ? some ancestor decided to preserve his degeneration. as a rock or as a grandson, whatever. are they more than this ?
mircea_popescu: occasionally hollywood nuts leave pets behind in the ~same situation also. they get a daily pellet and so on.
zx2c4: the point is that the grandson rarely has problems answering correctly to too many questions that necessitate correct responses
zx2c4: great seinfeld episode
mircea_popescu: "What were you in this life ?" is no small matter. and yes it requires a correct answer ; what's the trust fund do for that ?
zx2c4: some rich kids seem to use their funds to pursue interesting things and deepen their character with those experiences. others waste away their time.
mircea_popescu: and in all cases the answer comes back again and again, "i was an inadequate successor to a greater past".
mircea_popescu: tis infinitely better to be a promising systems developer than to be a guy who wasn't cool enough for the chunk of bitcoin he got.
douchebag: hey mircea_popescu do I get 0.01 for finding a flaw with deedbot again :D
☟︎ douchebag: since it probably subtracted from your balance
zx2c4: i don't think so. plenty of people with the necessary leisure study or create literature, philosophy, music, art -- great aspects of civilization for which there isn't always an immediate economic incentive
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 so where's the 500 rembrandts ? (do you know the reference ?)
zx2c4: for example, i've spent my life studying greek philosophy and playing jazz music, and it doesn't pay anything. hence programming. but the economics of those activities doesn't really relate to their quality or importance
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 but you are aware how the economics of either greek philosophy or jazz music worked irl ?
zx2c4: i'm not saying everyone with leisure _does_ do something worthwhile with it. but you cant deny that leisure is in many cases a necessary precondition for many great aspects of civilization
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: but i affirm that you equivocate "lesiure", in that your idea of leisure is never what occured when actual civilisation was produced.
zx2c4: yea, sure, im pretty certain of what it'd take to be financially viable in either philosophy or jazz music. that's not something universally available and there's a lot of luck involved, however, and even then it's a pretty rough life. it's not even available to all types of philosophy study and all types of jazz music.
zx2c4: i enjoy plato most
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 so i take it you're familiar with history as retold by the esl : how socrates died, and how plato did not die.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the terrible shame plato was, for socrates ?
zx2c4: not sure i have the same interpretation of phaedo as you
zx2c4: im being interrupted now, but ill be back in a while to continue this
mircea_popescu: nevermind phaedo. socrates tried, his whole life, to make people capable of standing on their own. and his products, among which plato is a minor outlier, held that bloody affair, where most of the city was gutted.
mircea_popescu: and aristotle had to face this desert before his eyes : here, you did what you thought best, and here's what came of it, your students trying to force innocent men to take part inb murders to avoid retribution.
mircea_popescu: this scandal is why aristotle didn't even fucking want plato's disgusting silver.
mircea_popescu: and now think -- that for his great merits, aristotle was in fact given by the city "2000 btc", ie exactly what you mean by it, "sufficient money so as i can be a righteous man alone".
thatbitchlola: would you be able to pay me and sluttydiamond now that we added our keys?
lauren22: Watch over my 2 children until they start school
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola im waiting for trinque to show up ; won't be very long.
mircea_popescu: imagine, if you only had 100`000 more pairs of tits you could write cryptographic client-server protocols.
lauren22: Cloudflare & lava lamps? Live in the flesh?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i'm sorry, i got confused. " this scandal is why socrates didn't even fucking want plato's disgusting silver. and now think -- that for his great merits, socrates was in fact given by the city "2000 btc"" is what i meant.
lauren22: Have you not seen how cloudflare does it?
mircea_popescu: now modesty aside, considering i've seen your tits : what DO you do with yourself ?
mircea_popescu: well, in the sense of, do you bash ? do you c ? do you ada ? do you what ?
trinque: so, the girls are bitching they don't have a balance, after having run withdrawal requests, or what?
mircea_popescu: trinque i sent payments they didn't have keys yet, i don't want to resent lest it ends up doublespent.
lauren22: Oh, I started in CS, did not finish though.
trinque: nothing happens if they weren't registered
trinque: sure, if bot says nothing, bot did nothing
lauren22: Video, one magazine did a piece about it
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:35 douchebag: hey mircea_popescu do I get 0.01 for finding a flaw with deedbot again :D
lauren22: Everyone has a computer in pocket/purse
trinque: douchebag: and when you bring these chicks in here, tell them A) register, B) don't expect trinque hops off what he was doing to immediately cut txn for their precious cuntlet C) once they withdraw, balance is 0 again, because duh
lauren22: I wonder how laptop sales have done since modern phones, many friends don't even own laptop anymore.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 pretty much everyone here uses desktops and rackables only. or almost.
douchebag: trinque: I'll do actual work once I have a machine that can be on 24/7
trinque checks printer, holy fuck, lol
deedbot: lauren22 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 ben_vulpes has a coupla, the other married guy left ; i keep slavegirls, most everyone else is vaguer about it.
lauren22: Yes, not worth getting trapped in a bad relationship over kid
mircea_popescu: no, that's not what i mean. i mean i don't want to play genitorial roulette, i'd rather choose the new members of this family myself.
lauren22: I have only heard it referenced with Hitler stuff mostly.
lauren22: I remember the beans from elementary school somewhat
deedbot: ErisMoon voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: im still getting her gpg setup, so obv don't pay her until after she gets that all registered
mircea_popescu: will the universe run out of tits before mp runs out of bits ; or will mp run out of bits before the universe runs out of tits ? THE QUESTIONS OF OUR TIME
deedbot: FB73E512AEAE6853CA0534A84C1A2805CDEBA21C registered as ErisMoon.
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: Hobbyboycg voiced for 30 minutes.
jossi: we sell to the rich, im not rich :(
trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lol. so next time rich dood walks in, be all like "0.11 btc for this bed as it is, sir ; or 0.20 as a package deal, with me in it"
trinque: ping you when it's back up
jossi: mircea_popescu: its a lot of baby stuff unfortunately lol
jossi: Would be pretty awkward
jossi: I have 2 years left
jossi: I did in school, but not currently
jossi: What is mircea_popescu ? of what origin?
jossi: Ah Romanian women, you must be in heaven.
mircea_popescu: but amusingly enough, you look pretty romanian yourself. where'you from ?
jossi: Every Roma girl I've known has been super good looking somehow
jossi: Ukrainian and French
jossi: Oh no, just linage
mircea_popescu: from what i hear ukraina sucks these days. how's nyc ?
jossi: It has its nice areas, but you have to really like city life.
jossi: I wouldn't mind a more suburban area
jossi: Police, everywhere
jossi: Trump had the city messed up for quite a bit too
jossi: With the extra patrolmen and blockades, but mostly done now
mircea_popescu: yeah, i can't imagine how i'd put up with the nonsense.
jossi: Well, mostly wife's fault
mircea_popescu: here, the police are lovely chaps. mostly give out directions.
jossi: Poor Melania seems pretty sad looking lately
mircea_popescu: you figure old man trump's penis pump finally gave up the ghost ?
jossi: I suspect he only works with the right cocktail of pills in him lol
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
jossi: I see what you did there lol
jossi: But I don't want to judge the man
mircea_popescu: !!rate jossi 1 ukrainian-french girl working for the rich of nyc. wiwa la rebolucion!
jossi: If he likes cock, *shrug*
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola today or tomorrow. something like trhat.
mircea_popescu: jossi so other than boutique and not going to school anymore, what do you do ?
jossi: This pays well, not the most stimulating job but gives me time to do other things
jossi: Mostly browse reddit and watch youtube lol
jossi: Heh whats the story there?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:37 zx2c4: i'm not saying everyone with leisure _does_ do something worthwhile with it. but you cant deny that leisure is in many cases a necessary precondition for many great aspects of civilization
mircea_popescu: you can follow the log on the website, if you click the link
jossi: Oh, I am one that doesn't do the worth while stuff :o
jossi: Not found my "thing" yet
jossi: Something that I enjoy and is stimulating & enriches
trinque: got ya thatbitchlola; going to be moving the wallet to pizarro hosting soon as I can.
jossi: trinque: I may have issue, deedbot not responding
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 21:57 trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
trinque: gonna have to wait until that box comes back.
trinque: transparent ploy to get you to hang out with us longer, eh?
jossi: Tell me about this place, if you had to summarize in a sentence or 2
douchebag: hey trinque but the transactions that already got processed and everything
douchebag: and are just waiting for manual processing
trinque: yeah, everything that gave a response to somebody got through; no worries
trinque: just dealing with shitty internets for the next howeverlong
douchebag: alright, when do you think you'll get to processing them
shinohai is off to have ice cream and brandy for birthday
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot:
http://thewhet.net << lastest post (mod_rewrite ergo links not yet live, or i'd link y'all directly) is mp-wp_genesis. esthlos and anyone else who was waiting on this is encouraged to test it out --setting up a test blog-within-a-blog is gonna be a royal pita and cause yet further delays, so please do try it out, lemme know how it goes.
ben_vulpes: looking forward to giving it a crack myself
mircea_popescu: jossi to voice yourself, say !!up to deedbot in a pm and then !!v the string it gives you (decrypt its message)
mircea_popescu takes advantage of a momentary lull to update the titpost lol
esthlos: nice hanbot, will play around and get back to you on Sunday