shinohai: mircea_popescu: met her trollin about ... found out about camwork, decided to ask her to look into your offer.
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shinohai: !s android 2fa vulnerabilities
mod6: <+ascii_field> what does mod6 do for living anyway << professional shit shoveler
mod6: <+thestringpuller> news to me << they're the gf's
mod6: had to find a new mine, place in tower of fascism was bought, outsourced all jobs to bangladesh or some place.
mod6: first day was last friday. so been a bit swamped since then.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> iirc he also judges new stripper in a six county area. << my speciality
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mod6: i would like to help out with s.nsa. but yeah, right now foundation stuff is about all i can handle outside of mines. once I don't need the mines any longer, then I'll have some extra time perhaps.
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shinohai: I got plenty of time but I'm not good at anything.
mod6: that's not true. you've been doing some awesome testing for me at the drop of a hat. a lot of this stuff just takes time to dig into it, etc.
mod6: and rome wasn't built in a day. or 5 years or whatever. takes time.
mod6: but believe me, there's nothing more than I want to do than work on this stuff all day. just not quite there yet.
hanbot: ascii_field should you ever actually find yourself on the brink of starvation put whoever is doing your cooking in touch with me. i am well acquainted with forced frugality. it happens, and while your merits might not prevent it from grabbing at your feet, they can keep you from succumbing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <mod6> had to find a new mine, place in tower of fascism was bought, outsourced all jobs to bangladesh or some place. <<< seems alf's going through exactly the same.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i must confess buffett sold me on his "hay mas futuro por norteamerica" or whatever it was.
BingoBoingo: "If the idea of entering a facility, even a luxury one, is too much to bear, you can always follow the lead of true ballers who detox in style at luxury suites at Claridge’s in London or Trump Tower in NYC to the tune of about $3,000 per night. For the roughly week-long experience, they’ll then hire an on-call doctor to administer a detox program and medication (an estimated $15,000 per week), a 24-hour nurse to facilitate it
BingoBoingo: (roughly $3,500 per week), and a round-the-clock sober companion to oversee the entire operation (approximately $10,000 per week). The final total for a week of the most luxurious stint of detox known to man? Around $50,000. Room service not included."
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, they annouced the news of the acquisition on the 2nd of october, had a new deal closed by the 17th. was glad to find something new anyway, was really tired of working at the old place.
mod6: certainly was a good thing to get back to work so quick.
mod6: got more vacation days and a raise.
mod6: software development - mostly java stuff.
mod6: no, this role I'm workin on a data access layer.
mod6: buncha hibrernate bullshit
mod6: but I don't work in these mines for the thrill of victory, i do it for the cash.
mod6: I pretty much keep my head down, work hard. I don't get emotionally invested in the mines.
mod6: when I was younger I used to be a lot more idealistic about my job... now, couldn't care less as long as the money is wired on a regular basis. haha.
mod6: bitcoin is the thing i care about.
mod6: i put up with all that bullshit all day every day so I can keep the lights on and do my real job: the foundation :]
trinque: I'm not much concerned with dignity at the end of the world.
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mod6: well, to some extent for me I have to be able to be honest and have integrity in my job or I wouldn't respect myself in the morning.
trinque: mod6: I mean fretting about doing java, webdev, or pole dancing
mod6: I'm just sayin, some guys are cool with being fucking scammers. Not me.
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mod6: Yup, nothin wrong with shakin' it for cash. That's honest.
mod6: Ripping people off for vaporware or whatever other bullshit isn't.
mod6: I guess, another factor for me is doing manual labor. I used to cut down trees from when I was about 10 to 18. And very quickly in a job like that you learn the value of the earned dollar.
mod6: So, I'd hate to do webdevelopment or whatever, but it sure beats humping logs all day.
trinque: deedbot-'s blockchain has caught up thanks to mircea_popescu's node
mod6: And sure, I liked cutting down trees, good exercise, decent guys to work with, but fuck, that shit wears on you.
mod6: Yep. My good buddy's dad has a tree care company. My old man set me up with a job working with them when I was like 10, big enough to haul sticks and roll logs.
mircea_popescu: "i cut down trees, i wear high heels" now resounding in mp residence
mod6: Only thing I really regret about it is not wearing ear protection back then.
mod6: When I wasn't cutting down trees, I would blow up an air matress and float down this creek that ran through a private golf course. Where I would fish the golf balls out of the creek, shine 'em up and sell 'em back to the guys who just hit 'em in there for like $0.25 per ball.
mod6: always was a way to make money.
mod6: probably gave that up when I was about 13 though.
mircea_popescu: at some point at that age i used to go trouting in this stream. the trout likes to sit under the rock sort-of mid evening, you can catch it with your hands just loop either end in.
mod6: yeah! never had to ask my folks for a nickle after I was 10.
mircea_popescu: always suspected the trout doesn't actually mind being caught.
BingoBoingo: Around here similar hand fishing arts exist, but usually they focus on the catfish Basically get it to swallow your hand and try to grab the gill plates as you pull your hand up
mod6: they're called "noodlers" right BingoBoingo?
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 00:31:57; hanbot: ascii_field should you ever actually find yourself on the brink of starvation put whoever is doing your cooking in touch with me. i am well acquainted with forced frugality. it happens, and while your merits might not prevent it from grabbing at your feet, they can keep you from succumbing.
mod6: very much so. only framed picture I've got is of Johnny Cash.
mircea_popescu: aged splendidly too. im not even sure if his best work isn't his last album
mircea_popescu: sure, say aerosmith has the same longevity. but gimme a break with the bubblepop crap they been doing for mtv this side of the mllenium.
mod6: yah, usually it's a big early career, and then a slow decline. he just kept making great, if not even better, music.
mod6: yeah. steven tyler did not age well. i saw a picture of him and he looks like a chinese woman
mod6: speaking of which, Axl Rose looks really bad too. haha
mod6: "Welcome to the bakery, we've got cakes and pies..."
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 21:35:29; ascii_field: from this point on i will have to ignore everything else, until rollout.
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha
mike_c: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
jurov: ascii_field: electrum-server depends on bitcoin having "txindex" which 0.5.4 not sure if has, 0.7 had and the el. patch was not heavy
jurov: no patch needed since 0.8
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 00:32:40; mircea_popescu: <mod6> had to find a new mine, place in tower of fascism was bought, outsourced all jobs to bangladesh or some place. <<< seems alf's going through exactly the same.
mircea_popescu: you really shouldn't stack the same play. if the wife's a lascivious blonde don't get ANOTHER one for a mistress. get a spirtous brunette sarah silverman sorta chick.
mircea_popescu: "But if Echo was no longer a projection, she was still a reflection. Echo, like all women, offered her man a peek inside his soul, all he had to do look: What kind of a man am I, that attracts this kind of woman? What kind of a man am I that attracts the kind of woman who only likes me for how I look? Despite how I treat her? What kind of a man am I that only attracts the kind of women who like me for X? Is it b
mircea_popescu: ecause there is nothing else of value inside me except X? But he was never taught to ask questions like this. In fact, he was taught never to ask questions like that. What kind of a man attracts a woman who can only echo him? There must be a name for that kind of person, and he already had it."
mircea_popescu: lol, tlp trying to be feminist by making men as dumb as women.
mircea_popescu: orly, neurosis is the answer ? i had no idea anyone even asked the question!
mircea_popescu: How do you make a child know himself? You surround him with mirrors. "This is what everyone else sees when you do what you do. This is who everyone thinks you are." <<< mno, that's how you make a child become a girl.
mircea_popescu: "Lesson one at the academia should be the importance of separating vocation from avocation, as character actor Fred Thompson and electrical contractor Benjamin Franklin both understood."
mircea_popescu: "When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as ir
mircea_popescu: relevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer ............
mircea_popescu: ...................................... and spouse of a capitalist.
mircea_popescu: Of course I'm not happy about this, I like smart people, but that's the new reality. There was a time where women went to college to get an MRS degree, and I am telling you that that time is today, there is nothing else of value in there. Sure, some college women go on to become doctors and CEOs, and some go on to become child pornographers and Salon writers, none of those things have anything to do with what happene
mircea_popescu: d in college. If you are going to college to get an education and not to meet guys, you are insane, literally insane, delusional, in reality one is never going to happen and the other is going to happen anyway, and you could have gotten both for free at a bookstore. Worked for me. The only question for the future single mom is whether it's worth $XXXXXX a year to meet guys, and the answer is of course it's not, even
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mircea_popescu: aaannd... "if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it."
mircea_popescu: "why is all us epidemiological data null and void ?" "because us doctors a) have to write down a diagnosis and b) are paid the same no matter what is is".
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mircea_popescu: "See also Princeton, where you will pay them more to get the degree that they will then pay you less to use for them, in no other profession is learning how to do something more valuable than actually doing it. Is that ironic? " << it's not a profession, it's a fandom. and in all fandoms, you pay them more than they pay you, that's the definition.
punkman: he didn't, some other tard did
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mircea_popescu: anyway, cockring and flag in asshole guy will make a great daddy i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: "Well, feminism has emasculated men." Really? A girl did that to you?
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punkman: mod6: So, I'd hate to do webdevelopment or whatever, but it sure beats humping logs all day. << I'll second that
trinque: the web's not so bad. if you overcomplicate it that's your problem
punkman: it's fine when you are not working on someone else's vomit painting
trinque: now that's for sure, but I thought these were ass-paintings
punkman: I covered all three (ass, vagina, mouth)
trinque: eh I'll take your word for it, lol
punkman: though that last one was pushing paint-filled eggs out her vag
trinque: "anti-hotlink protection" on the liveleak
mircea_popescu: in unrelated not-news, ""For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually movi
mircea_popescu: ng." How can you work in media and not understand media? The fact that feminism is in the mainstream means that it doesn't exist, it is no longer real, in the same way that when you hear "gun control debate" it's a lie and "fiscal cliff" is an easy to market, safe distraction from the structural problems that can never be named, here's one: for any heterogeneous population, the expansion of a "welfare class" is logi
mircea_popescu: cally inseparable from the entrenchment of an aristocracy, can't have one without the other once you get bigger than 20M, ask Bismarck. "Does he write for Time?" No. But keep this in mind every time you hear how great it is Bill Gates is curing malaria after leaving us all with Windows.""
mircea_popescu: god damned i want this guy to write for qntra already where is he!
mircea_popescu: "i saw a naked lady in the street - i have nothing to say to her but i'd like to talk to my friends ABOUT her"
mircea_popescu: i honestly liked this stuff better a decade-two ago back when donna was doing it in between being hassled by police
punkman: the artsy cunts want to be marina abramovic but end up with "omg naked selfies"
mircea_popescu: this could perhaps be a pretty uncanny book : the future of europe, with the white harlots living naked in the street and the proper arab girls living burka'd in the house.
mircea_popescu: also just a sad repackaging of extant sad masturbation fodder (that gor bs etc).
mircea_popescu: just, all the people who have the skill to pull it off have better shit to do, so the world is stuck enjoying 50 shades of grey and what's that thing games something tlp was ragging on.
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gribble: williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 27 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <williamdunne> But yah
punkman: anyone with a GBP account that would like to make a payment for me?
punkman: or did we run out of brits
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mircea_popescu: "If your reaction is “Marina who?” then here’s a brief introduction." << how ab out "then this article has no fucking point, nobody cares about obscure if colorful manhattan garbage girls"
punkman: "It began tamely. Someone turned her around. Someone thrust her arms into the air. Someone touched her somewhat intimately. The Neapolitan night began to heat up. In the third hour all her clothes were cut from her with razor blades. In the fourth hour the same blades began to explore her skin. Her throat was slashed so someone could suck her blood. Various minor sexual assaults were carried out on her body."
punkman: "She was so committed to the piece that she would not have resisted rape or murder. Faced with her abdication of will, with its implied collapse of human psychology, a protective group began to define itself in the audience. When a loaded gun was thrust to Marina's head and her own finger was being worked around the trigger, a fight broke out between the audience factions"
mircea_popescu: "Dove is telling you you don't need to do anything to be beautiful, but it knows full well women must do something to themselves to feel good about themselves" << aha. and now tell me WHY THAT IS ?
mircea_popescu: why is it that boys need to do something TO the world in order to feel at ease, whereas the girls need, NEED! to have something done TO them in order to feel GOOD with ~themselves~ ? aha, mkay, it's not all about sex. there's also...
mircea_popescu: "The laws of economics and many studies of diversity tell us that if we tapped the entire pool of human resources and talent, our performance would improve."
mircea_popescu: totally. as in, get type A (wanna do things to environment) people mixed with type B (wanna have things done to themselves) people and performance will improve. just as long as you agree to drop the male-centric definition of performance (the ration of damage done to the quake map by bullets expanded) for a more... you know. jackoffian definition of performance.
assbot: Fraternal Order of Police to Quentin Tarantino: We've Got a Surprise Coming For You - Hollywood Reporter ... (
http://bit.ly/1PrjmrP )
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punkman: "Bitcoin managed to get it up, but lacked the staying power of its youth and is now collapsing."
punkman: "In Chinese, 保留 means "super important register fields that aren't on the datasheet.""
mircea_popescu: lol my butt. "usg got a run for its money the likes of which it had hoped to never see. it will not survive another one in all likelyhood, which is just as well, because november promises at least a couple."
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ben_vulpes: has anyone ever used --verify-files with gpg successfully?
punkman: ben_vulpes: what you want to batch them up?
ben_vulpes: punkman: i know about --batch, but this --verify-files flag in the man pages seems to not work. at all.
ben_vulpes: fails silently, returns 0, the whole nine.
ben_vulpes: wondering if pebkac or with maintainers.
ben_vulpes: go, `mkdir /tmp/badsigs/; touch /tmp/badsigs/{1,2,3}.sig; gpg --verify-files /tmp/badsigs/*`
punkman: ben_vulpes: "--multifile --verify may not be used with detached signatures. "
mircea_popescu: in general, the path of "usable" in gpg is kind-of narrow.
ben_vulpes: --batch --verify it is then, shitgnomes.
punkman: I don't think that would work
mircea_popescu: "The Irish hate our order, our civilization, our enterprising industry, our pure religion. This wild, reckless, indolent, uncertain and superstitious race have no sympathy with the English character. Their ideal of human felicity is an alternation of clannish broils and coarse idolatry. Their history describes an unbroken circle of bigotry and blood."
punkman: coarse idolatry because catholics?
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assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:20:40; ascii_field: to me 'web dev' means 'work 17y.o. does' and is exactly equivalent to 'you are worth your weight in pork'
punkman: and what use is non-webdev job if starving?
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assbot: CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners | Zero Hedge ... (
http://bit.ly/1NwEk8K )
punkman: "In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas. "
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assbot: BashCo comments on Adam Back says there is vote manipulation happening to his posts by bought and stolen reddit accounts. ... (
http://bit.ly/1NTxisP )
shinohai: That feeb advice to pay youe attackers sure paid off!
shinohai: gofundme.com/shinohaiattackdefense
shinohai: ^ maybe I'll make that, good to be prepared for all contigencies
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 01:06:40; mircea_popescu: in other news, johnny cash is fucking great.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 22:00:59; mircea_popescu: Thing 1. We're trying to reduce bitcoind to a form where it's actually worth cutting trees to print it ;
jurov: and all the stuff below
kakobrekla suspekts there will be more Things before there are less Things
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shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 After nearly 2 weeks downtime I'm back up and attempting sync.
shinohai: yup, first time I got it back online since hdd barf
mod6: awesome, let us know how she goes.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:05:37; mircea_popescu: c worked in the 70s just fine, also.
jurov: which is imo dubious way to "keep the herd out"
shinohai: mod6: have you had any sucess with bsd yet ?
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punkman orders from charcoal grill place that opened last week, notices "since 1984" on menu
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jurov: ;;calc 1/0.00351465
jurov: davout: x.eur bot pls
jurov: ANNOUNCE to CoinBr users: MPEx started rejecting new orders without clear reason, if you get an error, wait a minute and retry.
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jurov: also, this happened since wednesday to several users, but I got no complaint :(
jurov: "business as usual", perhaps...
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shinohai is irked that coinbr.net ranks higher ..
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jurov: shinohai i have abandoned any hopes coinbr would be mass thing
jurov: so, don't mind that
shinohai: I like the site, just have no idea what I'm doing if I opened an account.
jurov: only consumer thing that'd be doable would be trading of CFDs on mpex issues, or other boiler stuff
jurov: and that's completely different than coinbr
☟︎ punkman: jurov: perhaps some more high-touch service could work
jurov: punkman what's that?
punkman: jurov: in regards to brokerage, I got no idea, but otherwise "denoting or relating to a business characterized by a very close relationship with its customers or clients."
jurov: i could have closer relationship with some of you. but then it would be homo.
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shinohai: I need a crypto FA I guess, like that dish I pay to manage my bills for me.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i keep taking these dumps roughly in the shape of horse penis
kakobrekla: last drink i had, hmm, prolly in romania.
mircea_popescu: culture shock, largest i ever encountered : 17 yo me in london, goes into pub orders a drink. they bring him... im not even sure what it was, a thimbleful.
mircea_popescu: i was like.... what the shit, is this like with wine, you brought me a little to sniff it ?!
mircea_popescu: in romania opf the 90s, a drink = 100cc. you could get a half if you were sick or something, but you'd have to specify like you specify nonhot at mexican restaurant. five times.
punkman: the "standard drink" of 20ml
mircea_popescu: then came part 2, when the kids i was staying with were "omfg you went into a pub ordered a drink ?!?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: "an exception being the UK, which has a minimum legal age of five for supervised consumption in private places"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha the idiocy of these people. seriously, the excuse for selling weapons to terrorists is that "a) they're not the terrorists but the terrorist's Italian cousin ; b) we disabled the checkbox anyway" ?
mircea_popescu: someone needs to sell the mexican cartles the same things. o wait... they did.
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mircea_popescu: the plan is the plan. the execution is not at the option of the horde. go reddit moar.
mircea_popescu: jurov aha. monstrous. but what can you do ? i've been trying to "manage" the issue / pretend like it's not an issue but got efficiently (and righly) uprooted at every step.
mircea_popescu: at least we ended up with a proper definition of scope, truthful if scary.
mircea_popescu: now all we need are the sort of men who aren't liable to get scared.
mircea_popescu: * kakobrekla suspekts there will be more Things before there are less Things <<< i am of the hope that we're done with things and will be a proliferation of subthings. because fuck me if i'm going all the way into microbiology to fix computing.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it will soon be my 8th year of 'fix computing'
ascii_field: must say, it is moar phun now, with phriends.
punkman: "el ir derecho acorta las distancias, y tambien la vida."
mircea_popescu: yeah alfie, the risk is that you lose pace. as in, guy who's been sitting in a fox hole for all summer, when a scout regiment finally shows up on the hillside goes all rambo on the opposition.
ascii_field returns to sorting panzerfausts in the führerbunker
mircea_popescu: /msg chanserv OP rename #bitcoin-assets #bitcoin-fix-computers
mircea_popescu: <jurov> which is imo dubious way to "keep the herd out" << the secret we're not ready for is that all ways to keep the herd out are dubious ways to keep the herd out.
mircea_popescu: this goes right into the other discussion : by and large, the role of management is to lie to engineering, because if confronted nakedly, the TRUTH of reality is this head-explody vacuousness. so survivable representations have to be created, and they are better if created professionally - because in their absence the brain will create them anyway, and they'll have all the value and efficiency of something a 2 yo repti
mircea_popescu: hence "scientific paradigms", ie, "don't look at magnetism".
mircea_popescu: that's the MAIN thing every single course book etc on physics says. and it is INSANE.
ascii_field sourly mumbles something about unified theories
mircea_popescu: the clear sign that it's not time yet is the juvenile idiotic look of the attempts to unified theories.
mircea_popescu: do you know which is the most advanced one ? ask a 50something stupid woman from the midwest. "oh, it's all energy and people are different". that's the best there is.
ascii_field: btw latest word is that majorana is prolly in mircea_popescu's graveyard
mircea_popescu: i think you still gotta be somewhat rich to make chacarrita
punkman: phun-fact: if you want to get cremated in greece, they ship you to bulgaria
punkman: ascii_field: no place that does cremation, despite endless plans.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the greeks invented cremation didn't they.
punkman: definitely too warm, they turn bright pink the moment they step off the plane
mircea_popescu: "The ad's association to therapy here was probably not planned but it was inevitable, just as Mantegna selecting a psychiatrist and not an engineer or a cook or a stripper as the mark in House Of Games was inevitable. It is the only system of rules based on self-deception, it encourages the illusion of "self" separate from behavior. And as long as psychiatry uncritically elevates identity over behavior, it makes it-
mircea_popescu: - not the patients, it-- an easy mark for con men with their own agenda: SSI, the justice system, gun control, schools, whatever. "It's called a confidence game. Why, because you give me your confidence? No: because I give you mine." Take a minute, think it through."
mircea_popescu: jesus check out tlp getting shit. it doesn't seem to help him, but those were older articles.
mircea_popescu: how does the justice system con psychiatry to its own ends ? NOT by asking psychiatrists to buy into court proceedings. by pretending in court proceedings to highly esteem their opinions.
mircea_popescu: "you now have a responsibility ot the people who trust you : to this and that they want you to do".
mircea_popescu: "how about as a precondition to anything they abandon their self ?" "OMG WHAT ARE YOU A PSYCHOPATH THIS IS DOMESTIC ABUSE BLABLABLA".
mircea_popescu: jurov : i know. working on it, but it's not a trivial problem sadly.
mircea_popescu: ftr, mpex will issue "Insufficient funds for this request." errors for all sorts of problems, including some that have nothing to do with the user.
mircea_popescu: i get that this is unhelpful at best, but a) making specific error messages is not trivial, and b) the alternative denomination would be something like "generic error message" which whatever.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth is that the requirements of safety and concurrency run into problems of time. there's a reason bitcoin blocks are 10 minutes long, and i fear i'm going to end up having to fundamentally redo the whole shebang.
jurov expects mircea_popescu will end up with colored coins :D
mircea_popescu: i would about 100x rather use a deedbot-based system. and i don't think something like that is usable.
mircea_popescu: (kinda shameful how we omitted the entire deedbot and btcalpha infrastructure from the things, becuase hey, fuck trinque and mike_c we got the stuff made so we no longer need it made so we can forget about it right ?
mircea_popescu pays respect to the people who make it so he doesn't have to remember things.)
mircea_popescu: re the recent alcoa/aluminum discussion, but also a broader industry and futurology discussion : aluminum is now so cheap (ie, china has got SUCH a solid handle on it forever) that home furnishing shops here have started to offer, alongside pots in silverstone and teflon, pure, plain aluminum. marketed as such, too, "puro alumino".
mircea_popescu: the catch being of course that the options are now "pay ~1k or ~100 pesos for a pot".
mircea_popescu: no need to guess that once this option became available, the other two disbecame available "en interior".
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how they do this, either. maybe they discovered cold fusion and are keeping it quiet. maybe they're burning tibetans for heat. fuckall knows, but there they sit.
mircea_popescu: no, looky, you have it : silicon 28%, aluminum 8.2%, iron 5.6%, calcium 4.2%, sodium 2.5%, magnesium 2.4%, potassium, 2.0%, and titanium 0.61%.
mircea_popescu: "Intelligent people, like racists, are fluent in describing themselves in opposition to what they are not, but ask them to define themselves by what they are, tell you what they do believe in, and they're lost. They have opinions on issues, sure, but ask for an overarching ideology and their face botoxes. Overarching ideology? Only people with manifestos have ideologies, not having an ideology is the whole point of
mircea_popescu: being independent, the only thing they deal in is "facts" or "reality", and gun to head if they believe in anything it's "science." Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. You know, whatever ideologues hate."
ascii_field: '“Earlier today I announced that as president I will take steps to ‘ban the box,’ so former presidents won’t have to declare their criminal history at the very start of the hiring process,” Clinton told the assembled crowd. She did not correct herself.'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in usa, it is traditional for folks showing up for a job opening to be asked whether they have been tried/convicted
ascii_field: this typically takes the form of a paper form with 'boxes' to 'tick'
ascii_field: initially they take applicant's word of honour, but sometimes check public record
mircea_popescu: "you haven't even been to prison ? and you call yourself an american ? get the fuck out of my fucking office, loser."
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ascii_field: at one point, it was fashionable to check credit agencies instead
ascii_field: but then it was banned in many states (including md, where i happen to live)
mircea_popescu: i suppose the alternatively counter-cultural reaction would be to write in "no, and i'm not black, either"
mircea_popescu: o wait, the jews don't agree they're in africa, was it ? only egypt is. jewlandia is in... well it's almost practically europe right ?
mircea_popescu: lol meanwhile @tlp, "I'm starting to wonder if the reason it is always pretty white girls who get kidnapped is that the media is the one kidnapping them."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha, ok : ""But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now suppose cca 2026 some twerps come to persuade you to go take minsk. and you quote this line of the log to them, and they go "huh" becaue hey, log is too difficult and what's a gpg ?
mircea_popescu: so in 2027 they come for like 4-5 different similar reasons, with the same bs lines. and you quote the same log, and they go the same huh.
mircea_popescu: and by 2028 they come twice a day, and you... what ? you do what, link the log, and on and on ?
mircea_popescu: everyone [smart, white, rich, whatevs] likes to think of intelligence as a force. perhaps it is.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the insistent, unyielding, disinterested in ANYTHING, eternally repeating the same inept shit behaviour of stupidity is certainly a force. that force is called will.
mircea_popescu: which is why if you're hungry and can't eat, you don't try to EXPLAIN to your aching belly anything. you try and WILL it to shut the fuck up.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: most people can't do that, obviously, which is why most people are most people.
mircea_popescu: which is also why inteligence is not a force. not anymore than make-up is a force.
mircea_popescu: the erect cock, as an incarnation of will, is the one and only driver of action. which is why attempts to legislate inaction are stuck pretending "rape" exists. unless everyone's flaccid, the supremacy of will over everything is too hard a sell.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:19:07; mircea_popescu: which is why if you're hungry and can't eat, you don't try to EXPLAIN to your aching belly anything. you try and WILL it to shut the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: i can explain what scams are to wilful idiots until i fall over, it's not unlike trying to prevent storms by lubricating the water.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:19:07; mircea_popescu: which is why if you're hungry and can't eat, you don't try to EXPLAIN to your aching belly anything. you try and WILL it to shut the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are two kinds of three year olds. all three year olds sooner or later threaten their parents with holding their breath. all parents laugh at this, as it's a physiological impossibility : if you do any sort of a good job you necessarily pass out, and once you pass out autosomatic control restarts breathing. the two kinds of kids are : the ones that are dissuaded by this ; and the ones that are now.
☟︎ ascii_field: now the one puzzle imho is why this mutation isn't fatal
ascii_field: what keeps the kid from fighting with a garbage truck
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:14:16; mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is a sov joke about this!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and at about the same age, i wanted to fight a lamb! headbutting ftw
ascii_field: two drunken louts went to hunt boar. one wanders over to a neighbouring 'number' (hunt sub-lot) and says 'there are many moar boar here'
ascii_field: wake up in drunk tank, minus their guns, and policeman tiredly says,
mircea_popescu: anyway, the chief problem with self esteem, and it is indeed a major problem, is that coping strategies develop and are tested as the name says : through coping. will is a fabulous thing, which serves approximately the same role as beauty in teenaged females : now you don't gotta work at anything, because lalaland. and so you don't. and so you suck at everything ELSE. and you're fucked. the problem with self esteem is
mircea_popescu: that if you don't despise yourself and your own achievements, you'll never get anywhere. but not too much! because you also won't get anywhere! etc.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then people wanna take drugs, as if juddling all this shit in the vain, vague hope that it's evolutionarized to balance isn't hard enough,
ascii_field: what folks secretly want is to discover the dope that opponent does not yet have.
mircea_popescu: "imagine no baldness. there'd be no stopping them, a nation of supermen" ?
ascii_field: nah it'd be something more like 'no cowardice'
ascii_field: it wouldn't astonish me to learn that 'will' is chemically goosable
mircea_popescu: yeah, because banal patristics 11 centuries old are too hard to read. "without [the possibility of] sin - no salvation"
mircea_popescu: are you the sort of republican central time backwards orc that refuses science ?
ascii_field: there are times when cock is dressed, even
ascii_field: i think mircea_popescu also believes in this
mircea_popescu: i am not arguing from my pov, but from the contrarian pov.
mircea_popescu: for all you know "legs work fine but not fine enough" just like penis works fine but not fine enough.
ascii_field: yes. ergo dope. i am not a principled opponent of dope
mircea_popescu: you do take leg and would at least consider wakefulness dope. but not penis dope.
ascii_field: i'd consider it if i had reason to think 'this needs to be more like an iron mechanism'
ascii_field: i wouldn't want to fuck with sleep either if i didn't have to stand up at a post at x o'clock
mircea_popescu: could it be that your girl is actually a MUCH NICER partner (for sex) than you are for yourself (in your own head, doing things, like sleeping)
ascii_field: it is constraints from external things that lead people to want to turn their body into a reliable mechanism
ascii_field: anything could be. could be that i turn up a crate of penis dope and then end up restructuring whole personal economic life around getting moar.
mircea_popescu: which is why teaching slavegirls to orgasm on command is important. the internalised sexuality is a good and useful proxy for a great many other things they need.
☟︎ ascii_field: as it is, i'm trying to navigate towards fewer 'dopes' (in the very general sense, far outside of 'things you must eat') rather than more.
ascii_field: re: sleep, i have a ~26 hr circadian and this isn't fixable
ascii_field: we know how to stretch a man's legs to make him taller than mircea_popescu, but not this
ascii_field: there is, iirc, a clinic in ru that does it. booked for years in advance.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 06:58:18; asciilifeform: but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, <<<< ahahha. soviet science winz again. had a process for -actually- growing taller.
ascii_field has not tried, cannot recommend or disrecommend
trinque: seems the exact definition of slavery, going even to the lengths of damaging oneself if it is ordered either by master or superego
ascii_field: trinque: anyone who's ever worked for a living has already done this.
trinque: sure, I've had to get up at 6am to commute before
ascii_field: i.e. killed himself a little bit to profit some schmuck
trinque: mircea_popescu: certainly is; I'm not opposed to the notion, but stating it
mircea_popescu: you have to understand ontogenesis is a two step process. first, a blob develops.then, controlled apoptosis, a process so fundamental cells have signalling baked in for it (but not for hunger, not for pain etc) makes the spaces between what will be your fingers.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and filogenesis replicates ontogenesis, or vice-versa. first, the woman spits out a blob, then of the blob collection the men kill some,
mircea_popescu: all life works in a certain way for the reason that it's cheapest
mircea_popescu: and the thread re "what is the meaning of fractal" controls here,
ascii_field: (i.e. most notions die in your head, others - on the desk, the rest - in factory, etc)
mircea_popescu: tho i doubt many in the audience have the actual, proper mathematical understanding to grasp the MEANING of formalisms.
mircea_popescu: you should. very nice softcore/sexploitation movie, epic natural d's. but the story is more important.
mircea_popescu: girl goes to visit her slut sister, is fucked, gets some trappings of womanhood (dress)
mircea_popescu: comes back to her still girly friend, who asks her "omygerd you mean you wore this ? and men saw you ? BUT HOW ???"
mircea_popescu: and newly woman responds smiling that there's nothing to it.
mircea_popescu: which makes it a good movie ; which hollywood can't apparently do.
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ascii_field: if we ever get genuine psychology, it will be interesting to learn whether there was any substance to the old experiments concerning will.
ascii_field: where it had the appearance of behaving like a muscle
mircea_popescu: anyway, merely the contemplation of the plain if never discussed (shouldn't this be discussed in school ? you think ?) that cells do not actually have signalling for hunger built in, so the entire insulin system is left guesing, with all the attendant problems of insulin resistence etc. they didn't think this was important enough. apoptosis, yes. this, no. not fundamental enough, didn't make the cut.
mircea_popescu: and the channel yet again tricks me into revealing even more of the mysterious evil from the tower depths. oy vey.
ascii_field: i have no reason to suppose either yes or no
ascii_field: but it would not surprise me if the system responsible is simple enough for some realistic dope.
ascii_field: (go throw a motorbike! but tear your muscles to shreds)
mircea_popescu suspects it is a reimplementation of ancient stuff on new hardware.
ascii_field: and yes, it is possible that a man given 'will dope' will just immediately eat his pistol.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, "Worse, they proudly announce their lack of ideology by branding themselves as Independents-- capital I, a thing, a demo. He willingly lessens his independence to become part of a group.
mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
☟︎ mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: are you an aficionado (or the reverse) of m. minsky's 'society of mind' thing ?
mircea_popescu: re tlp's entire "universities don't produce producers, they produce consumers". there's some very specific requirements for "consumership" and they're not the obvious "oh bad people" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: this notion that one's head is enough, is fundamental to it.
ascii_field: somebody (forget who) called it 'nanoeconomics'
trinque meditated for hours once and when he stopped chattering to himself about a narrative, there was left something that made me think for a long time about will, and what this observer was that was left sitting there
trinque: it would necessarily be a very difficult thing to say anything about
ascii_field: anyway there is a thing in there that says 'i dun wanna, i'll stay in bed'
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's the normal/natural state. people with overrepressive habits (ie, bad childhood) end up blind to their own mind, but...
jurov: mhm.. at the age children try to self-suffocate and mircea went to engage a lamb... i learned to plant false memories in myself. It was very scary.
ascii_field: if you had a dope that shuts it up and staples its mouth,
mircea_popescu: simple example : if i get a stomach upset, i can identify the culprit through the simple process of ... "shut the fuck up a mintuer and listen".
mircea_popescu: but the "Shut up a second" and especially "listen" is not ... convenient for many folks.
jurov: in several cases i found myself arguing with everyone else about things that did/did not happen
jurov: later i learned to keep a reminder "this may not necessarily be true"
mircea_popescu: well, let me recount the hungarian parrot joke. so : a middle aged housefrau has always wanted, ever since little girl, aparrot. so she saves and saves,
mircea_popescu: and one day sees in window of pet shop a beautiful white specimen, and the price. which, shockingly, is not only much less than what a parrot costs, but also within her savings!
mircea_popescu: so she goes in, and asks what's wrong the parrot, explains to the shopkeep that she's been saving and so and so.
mircea_popescu: "nothing really, just this : it's the parrot of a deceased brothel madam. spent all his prior life in brothel, has very saucy conversation"
mircea_popescu: "yes. and we sell it at a discount wirth this caveat, we won't take it back. it's already been returned by a dozen people. perfectly healthy parrot, fine specimen, but -"
mircea_popescu: once she lifts the cover off the cage, the parrot takes one look around, one look at her, after which
mircea_popescu: the woman's daughters start showing up from school, and the parrot is delighted
mircea_popescu: they laugh their ass off at the new toy, and towards tghe evening the husband shows up too
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 20:01:08; mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their
ascii_field: there are biologists somewhere, however laughable, who are not students of darwin. but there are no pr or ad men alive today who are not students of the good doctor g.
ascii_field: being nonsense hasn't stopped it from much, has it
mircea_popescu: all sorts of caged penii a la blair wet their pants^H^H^H^ girly panties because o noes, nude display of will.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 20:05:45; mircea_popescu: how do you ascertain the truth of this ?
trinque: adlai: there's a paragraph there on how, but I can provide some code at a later date
trinque: I am quite backed up on things deedbot- needs, but am aware of most of them
adlai: some dark and dystopian future, mpex trade submission will require deedbot-style spending, for anti-ddos
adlai: ascii_field understood :)
adlai: trinque: not criticising deedbot-, saying that it's the answer to mircea_popescu's question
ascii_field: adlai: not needed if you can verify sigs at line bandwidth at a multitude of relays.
mircea_popescu: my question was directed at jurov re real/unreal childhood memories.
jurov: there was ample evidence i am wrong
ascii_field: does mircea_popescu recall the 'repressed memory' trials in usa ?
ascii_field: it was a grotesque crime for which - afaik - no one was made to answer.
adlai: ascii_field: the telegraph decentralizes the market for rate limiting, rather than requiring baroque schemes of varying arbitrarity
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but the problem with the evidentiary based standard is that, well, the matrix. this is one of the biggest problems for young children, incidentally. what the fuck is going on!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field imo they answered alright. nature works in the following way : the punishment is the deed. those people who bought into it got their life ruined.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i am speaking of those who did not buy
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:50:44; mircea_popescu: you have to understand ontogenesis is a two step process. first, a blob develops.then, controlled apoptosis, a process so fundamental cells have signalling baked in for it (but not for hunger, not for pain etc) makes the spaces between what will be your fingers.
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trinque: that thoughts arise, then are selected, and so on
mircea_popescu: it's really very much an open topic, which is why the "evidence based" court's bitch goes all in for "mri scans!"
mircea_popescu: "This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything."
mircea_popescu: no but looky, there's fifty people eating in a free fast food joint, except the rule is that when the music stops the cook comes out and picks a patron to suck his cock.
mircea_popescu: "oh i've been raped". no, you haven't, you were whoring out. "but nobody asked me" yeah, they did. "i'm just here for the free food" well... enjoy the extra protein. actually natural.
trinque: jurov: your observation about yourself is not unlike experiences one might have on acid, in the ballpark of "this entire system of ideas that forms the world as I know it is built of assertions accepted within this universe simulation in the mind" which might be an excellent argument for the general population not having access to the stuff
trinque: "I am the 3rd coming of Jesus H Christ" or whatever, even worse
mircea_popescu: not having access to the stuff of being ficve years old ?
mircea_popescu: or moreover for adults seeking to relive 5yo-dom being a tad regressive ?
ascii_field: hey wasn't it mircea_popescu writing prescriptions for ego amputation ?
trinque: I would accept that in the vast majority of uses it's regressive
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 00:34:39; mircea_popescu: better model; always asks current ego to die because current ego is a piece of shit.
ascii_field: possibly the folks who want to 'regress to 5yo' are going for something like this ?
ascii_field: 'i figured out that being me sux, i'd like to be somebody else'
mircea_popescu: or if you ask tlp, they're doing it TO AVOID something like this.
mircea_popescu: similarly, if you ask america to vote, ( ) balance the budget ; ( ) replay the 90s, guess ?
trinque: I have seen both, certainly. Chicks that take all kinds of substances such that they never have to look at their model of the world with clear eyes
trinque: ascii_field: you know very well I'm merely saying "not drunk/high"
ascii_field: everybody who knowingly takes anything is 'avoiding looking at the world with not-having-taken-it eyes'
trinque: the word merely would be useful there
trinque: one would not refused to use a microsope because it is not merely his own eyes
mircea_popescu: fine, one would not refuse to use a condom because it's not their own cock!
trinque: with a great deal of discipline I'm certain one can observe himself in the same manner with no such substance.
trinque: and in fact that associating the state of mind with the dope may be *truly* regressive
ascii_field: with 'a great deal of discipline' one could become napoleon.
ascii_field: the purpose of dope in this example is as a force multiplier.
ascii_field: MOAR return for GIVEN amount of discipline.
ascii_field: and i realize that most idiots want to get a maxint from a zero
trinque: perhaps; I would not know. as with modafinil, would mircea_popescu say "yes, this is called paying attention, you idiots"
ascii_field: i would like to see how much attention mircea_popescu would pay if he NEVER got a full night of sleep
ascii_field: (not really, because i would not wish this on a friend. but you get the idea)
ascii_field: alternatively, let's teach legless folk to will themselves new legs
trinque: considering the multiple placebo effect threads, I would not be shocked to find believing "I am about to enter a hyper-aware state" is all there is to it
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> MOAR return for GIVEN amount of discipline. << this is fundamentally how it doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: and no, this is not how steroids work, either. this is how you/people WANT them to work.
mircea_popescu: "more useless appearance of the desired thing for less work".
ascii_field: as i said, most of the takers want 'world for nothing'
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't that they want something. they do not. they pointedly not only wish not to have it, THEY WISH IT TO NOT EXIST. because it scares them like penis @ little girl.
ascii_field: 'stop hanging shit, visit a firing range...'
mircea_popescu: what they want is to be recognised BY OTHERS as, and this is important :
mircea_popescu: the secret hope of boi with stupid shit stuck on all sides of rifle IS NOT that he can now go shoot people.
mircea_popescu: which is why "if you fuck it it only gets heavy and you still can't hit largest side of barn" does not deter him. nor even occur,.
mircea_popescu: he wants to take the "spear that will pierce any shield" and fashion it into a shield that will stop any spear.
ascii_field: this is entirely true and a cursory familiarity with american sport shooting folks will confirm
mircea_popescu: which is why "gun control" is even a thing : gun owners are its biggest advocates.
mircea_popescu: i take it as a personal point of pride that i've yet to discharge a weapon and NOT HIT SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: what they do is go empty magazine after magazine in the worship of "look see, even THIS great gun can't hit anyone".
mircea_popescu: "my immunity from gunfire is 7k shots a week, how high is YOUR level of gunfire immunity ? over 9000 ?"
ascii_field: 'you don't hit much but twigs and brush, when you hosedown...'
ascii_field: btw the 'poor dancer is hindered by his own arse' dynamic is present in all walks of u.s. like, from shooting to woodworking
ascii_field: now, the infestation of genuinely subpar tools feeds into it.
ascii_field: aha why give cargocultist a real airplane?!!1
mircea_popescu: "productivity enhancing software", the surefire halmark of people who aren't productive and don't wish to be.
mircea_popescu: stop throwing the motherfucking curve. have some productivity enhancement.
☟︎ ascii_field for some reason always recalls 'boss screens'
mircea_popescu: which takes us round circle to viagra : yeah, i don't take it either. because i happen to be satisfied with the sex. because the women i fuck rock. because etc.
ascii_field: mega-secret of viagra is who eats it and why
ascii_field: and the fiction about 'dysfunction' is quite likely the same order of fiction as with psych meds
ascii_field: all extant dopes are, afaik, used for some variant of hippo-fucking.
ascii_field: (things that no one would do if he had half an alternative other than the broomstick)
trinque: ascii_field: or perhaps when it's time to quiet the neuroses and ponder the structure of DNA, LSD
trinque: yeah, the world was exactly as it is
trinque: it was the degree of attention being paid to it
trinque: it would seem that most lives *vastly* underutilize the capabilities of the brain, worse even than the mythical 10% figure
mircea_popescu: Because picturing yourself exerting power is fantasy; imagining yourself as victim is easy. Which is why you brought this all up. You spend a lot of your waking life creating elaborate fantasies of power that contain their own self-justifying logic, and those fantasies are so numerous that added together they actually take up a real portion of your day. A portion you're not spending on something else. If I saw a Ta
mircea_popescu: rdis, then I would know how to pilot it. If such a drug existed, then my sexual problems would all disappear.
mircea_popescu: What you don't see is that this logic isn't even self-justifying, it is self-destructing. Not "since I have sexual problems, I wish I had the drug"; but, "since I wish I had the drug, I have sexual problems." Since I wish I had the drug, two hours have already gone by. I'm staying in tonight.
kakobrekla: i enjoyed the subjective time dilation experience
trinque: ^ this I think is just focus
trinque: though I would've otherwise said the same
punkman: from the department-of-mailing-lists-I-didn't-read-but-saved-it-anyway-because-maybe-sometime:
http://dpaste.com/16WQEP7 Organizing the World's Delusions
ascii_field: apocryphally, p erdos was once persuaded by a close phriend to quit dope for a month
ascii_field: 'thank you - you have showed me that i am not an addict.'
mircea_popescu: "It is a kind of extreme method acting; call it ironically absurd behavior." << i knew "method acting" was fucking stupid the moment i heard of it
ascii_field: 'but with [the dope] a page boils with theorems. without - just a piece of paper. mathematics lost a month because of you.'
trinque sees the "therefore not today" very clearly in all of this
punkman: better living through chemistry (tm)
ascii_field: hey, carrying a kalash in kandahar is also 'through chemistry'
ascii_field: ('you may not be interested in' chemistry but 'it is interested in you')
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'method acting' does raise the question : as opposed to what ?
pete_dushenski: wtf are you doing if not living and breathing your character ?
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punkman: not everyone can have character
pete_dushenski: though i grant that some actors only have one character, but we shouldn't even know the names of such fungible plebes
trinque: ascii_field: ah ah you said death first!
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trinque: I think lately he has abandoned the drag to act.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 22:31:57; BingoBoingo: So pete still working on a PR setup? How does their compensation work? One share per tard tear?
pete_dushenski: it's one thing for me to represent tmsr~ to fishwraps as a voluntary service, correcting issues in 'news pieces' when and where i see them and acting as a point of contact for future inquiries
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pete_dushenski: but it's another to represent the businesses that converge in this space, be it mpex, mg, nsa, xotika, bitbet, or what have you. this representation wouldn't be voluntary, which means that it'd need to have a measurable output in order to be billable
pete_dushenski: how newspaper mentions, hits, views, etc. would be measured and compensated remains an open question. and one of considerable interest to me personally. so i'm chewing on it.
pete_dushenski: of course, suggestions vis-a-vis tmsr~/wot-business pr needs and expectations are more than welcome
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> though i grant that some actors only have one character, but we shouldn't even know the names of such fungible plebes << like who, bogart ?
pete_dushenski has only seen casablanca, can't speak to bogart's other roles.
shinohai: ascii_field: funeral for one of the Russian air disaster victims.
pete_dushenski: wasn't it 'conscious uncoupling' or something equally vomit-worthy ?
shinohai: I just like the cemetary, awesum place to get married, quite beautiful in my eye.
trinque: meaning no disrespect to shinohai, the thread of "therefore not today" just keeps going. fascinating.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:49:44; assbot: Theresa May unveils UK surveillance measures in wake of Snowden claims | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1PmLrQX )
ascii_field: trinque: all of life is an exercise in 'not today'
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mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, ghetto island pretending like it has legislative pwoer and shit ?
ascii_field: 'Ministers have no plans to ban sex because it has an important role in the protection of legitimate economic activity such as creating bank users and lottery players. But there is concern over some aspects of so-called end-to-end fuck where only the thruster and recipient of thrust can feel it.'
☟︎ ascii_field: only a t3rr0r1st!!111 would reject the interpository tentacle.
mircea_popescu: "people transacting without involvement from the ministers would be tantamount to the uk government being irrelevant!!!"
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shinohai: Wonder if Qween Purp is one of those blacks like the college professor that believes white people should deposit all their money into black people's bank accounts.
assbot: I (Shall Happily) Accept the 2016 Nobel Prize in Economics on Behalf of Satoshi Nakamoto | Bhagwan Chowdhry ... (
http://bit.ly/1NUM8iM )
mircea_popescu: they ran out of costumes that fit gavin, moved on to whatever sand niggers ?
adlai: tl;dr: Q: "who do you nominate for our prize?" A: "my cleverness"
pete_dushenski: christina hop in the #freenode channel and ask one of the admins for a cloak sometime. it'll prevent your ip address from showing.
davout: jurov: bot will be back on monday, answered earlier turned out I wasn't voiced
BingoBoingo kinda wishes the James Bond flick "A View to a Kill" was a documentary
punkman: from the department of titles: "Ben Carson Defends Himself Against Allegations That He Never Attempted to Murder a Child"
davout: mircea_popescu: irloled at parrot joke
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6: have you had any sucess with bsd yet ? << yeah, OpenBSD, achieved a full sync a few months back. had to patch it by hand.
mod6: i wanna say it was phf's patches from back in July.
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shinohai: Thx mod6 ... i dun goofed with my pogoplug, reinstalling arch on it nau xD
mircea_popescu: ok, so i've made pilaf, and included a random mushroom found in china town. it's roughly speaking like a loofah.
mircea_popescu: pale white, no apparent stalk, if dried readily crumbles / grates
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shinohai: Someone should perhaps talk with him about the concept of spelling.
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shinohai: I must banish that from my memory with a pricey escort. I may send you the bill pete_dushenski.
shinohai: I dunno but it just cost pete_dushenski a bitcoin.
shinohai: I was unaware they had that sort of outfit in "Oh my God it's coming toward us!" sizes.
pete_dushenski: "This year, there have been 948 OS X malware samples, compared with 180 in the years 2011-14 inclusive." << nice work, cook. way to limp-wrist it.
mircea_popescu: "apple store has 68765985897 games this year, up 0987985698 from 54897658976598 last year"
pete_dushenski: "winbloze CONSIDERS deprecating sha1". so it's on the table. just so you know.
BingoBoingo: * pete_dushenski eagerly awaits BingoBoingo's reaction to photo << Pretty sure ESR was always a pigfucker
mircea_popescu: so wait, now that they lost "cryptoexpert" bruce whatshisname, and the entire zimmerman angle didn't work, the plan is to bring the deceased husk of esr back to complement the recently stolen cryptome into some sort of bitcoin-foundation-3.0-except-with-more-gunk ?
mircea_popescu: why not just program re-runs of obama's sex tape if this is the level of effort.
mircea_popescu: "no, i'm sure it's just a crazed ruiu acting alone". obviously.