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BingoBoingo did swab thing back in pre-Republican before time when more bold than paranoid, supposedly has polyorphism. Responded with "Fuck you genes, I do what I want" ran until
BingoBoingo: !~step1
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo was trying to see what percent victim I was
BingoBoingo: But that was when still on campus and suffering reality distortion bubble maintained there
asciilifeform: if usg wants asciilifeform's genomic samples, whether for phrenological nonsense or to plant on the deathray trigger that killed jfk or whichever, they can bloody well come and collect at own expense. i ain't sending any.
BingoBoingo: This was an earlier more innocent time. Bitcoin was trading in the single digits after coming down from an all time high
mircea_popescu: this lulzy property of bitcoin. "all time high" moar like "old time high"
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu recall how at one time every facility with a newfangled xerox machine, had an особист watchin' over it ?
mircea_popescu: hey, large lulz in ro about you recall, "registering" typewritters.
asciilifeform: the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths
mircea_popescu: psh. that guy didn't go around trying to get upvotes for the Minitruth facebook page.
asciilifeform: nah but he makes sure to be present for every 'amateur bio' konference whichever, and rats
mircea_popescu: "citizen! retween khannikov! it is your patriotic duty!"
asciilifeform: the typewriter thing lives on, as the famous yellow dots.
mircea_popescu: technologee amirite.
asciilifeform: ( btw i've yet to see a firmware defanger published for any brand of colortreekiller, to date. )
mircea_popescu: not even defanger, a randomizer.
asciilifeform: prolly on account of nobody giving half a shit re traceability of lolcat hardcopy
mircea_popescu: i took girls to cr natl bank museum today ; in the numismatic section they had local scrip
mircea_popescu: as used on banana plantations, by the rail yard etc.
asciilifeform: oh hey i recall the ar museum piece
mircea_popescu: all sorts of lulz, pieces of plain paper, bachelite coins, you name it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths << Except this was back when you had to be Google wife rich to open a DNA startup
mircea_popescu: "you telling me they couldn't falsify these ?!" "who ? a bunch of monkeys being forced to work for the first time in their lineage, at gunpoint ?"
mircea_popescu: you'll be surprised how few nominally white humanrightsourdemocracy items can actually do work.
asciilifeform: auschwitz scrip was pretty spartan also, lol
BingoBoingo: !!Up cazalla
deedbot: cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: the strongest fence is always the one in the head
asciilifeform: not in the coin, bill, etc
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Qntra is down until The Republic has one or more ISP providers, latest hoster commited mortal sin of using USG.MS.EmailProvider
mircea_popescu: at least the bribri had the excuse of being born subhuman.
mircea_popescu: reality winner and her wannabe qntra friends constructed her own subhumanity. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: BRB, sobertime
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, also the ole "we'll need to tap your servers kthx" nonsenser.
asciilifeform: comically hamhanded
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, that too.
asciilifeform: srsly wtf, can't just use the fritz chip like civilized stasi?
asciilifeform: why gotta molest hdd.
BingoBoingo: Outlook.com in 2017 is pretty fucking disqualifying too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why, because they can't do anything else right, they'll magically manage THAT one ?
mircea_popescu: as buggy as everything else they got.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the shameful piece is that it's a forced mistake, anyone still using email-with-civilians is stuck in the google-microshit corral nao
asciilifeform: alternative is random message loss
mircea_popescu: i didn't forbid them from growing a wot presence.
mircea_popescu: it'd have proven more lucrative than the outlook bs.
asciilifeform: wot presence while stealing disks would be even more brazen, neh
mircea_popescu: also wouldn't last.
asciilifeform: the real q is what forced to steal disks etc
asciilifeform: '... or have problems' ?
mircea_popescu: "what forced the idiot to do something stupid" orly ?
asciilifeform: ordinary idiocy obeys leastactionprinciple
asciilifeform: like light paths
cazalla: BingoBoingo, ah okay :\ dailystormer just got shoah'd again, this time from .is extension heh ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not tru. it is merely NORMALLY DISTRIBUTED around path of least resistance
asciilifeform: what's .is ? isis?!
cazalla: iceland but same thing
mircea_popescu: island.
mircea_popescu: iceland, right.
asciilifeform: lol still feeding dns beast
cazalla: it was claimed that for them to steal the .is domain, it'd have to go to parliment or some shit but they just skipped that and nuked it anyway heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they've fixated on this "swedish system". somehow they believe the eskimo are not shit.
mircea_popescu: nfi why.
mircea_popescu: socialists tend to worship the north apparently.
cazalla: shame about qntra, off to eat my steak now, hope you're all doing well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i see it, the dersturmer+dns folx are fixated on 'pushing', i.e. 'if i use raw ip, how will audience who sits with open mouths waiting for rain, know where the replacement box lives if isp evicts'
asciilifeform: by all rights they oughta be using shortwave, not www
mircea_popescu: hence why they are called socialists ; just as much so as their brethren pushing ourdemocracy.
asciilifeform: ( why are there not digital shortwave crackpot stations
asciilifeform: .?)
mircea_popescu: and it's evident they both work for hitler, by all sorts of signs. remember the straggler chick that ended up in here, and found out by accident about how yiuy know, there are alternatives ?
mircea_popescu: where is she now ?
asciilifeform: i expect somewhere with open mouth, towards sky
mircea_popescu: oh, mr. brian brainwashed her back into the inzone ?
asciilifeform: didn't, iirc, show any signs of cure
asciilifeform: to begin with
mircea_popescu: my memory is that the summation read "o wow, you guys rock, i am very influential in my own tribe will redirect leadership tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: turns out -- not influential. why not ?
asciilifeform: i can picture:
asciilifeform: leadership: 'stfu, we'll use signal, in iseland'
asciilifeform: over tor tails
mircea_popescu: i can picture too. that tribe, like the yarvin tribe, like the yukowsky tribe, like all the "alt" bullshits, exactly like "debian was an early apple appstore" and so on.
asciilifeform: paid in zonero
mircea_popescu: they have a consensus alright.
mircea_popescu: "freedom of choice" aka "we will either choose coca cola"
asciilifeform: choose! zerocoin or zcash or ethertardium!1!
asciilifeform: classic or unlimited.
mircea_popescu: the principle is evident in their tracts, too. "a guide so that ~anyone~ meet girls. you're not fundamentally broken, you just miss this software". right ? the important part of socialism, preserved. or you know, "racism" but never in the sense of "you joe are no good, go away", always in th4e sense of "we are so dedicated to collectiove salvation, we want to sacrifice a soandso identified auslander collective"
mircea_popescu: there's entirely no difference between bush's "no kid left behind" and usgistani "fascist's" no derp left behind.
asciilifeform: original fascists also had to make use of marginals
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: there are no marginals. this is the important point.
mircea_popescu: genuine fascists shot the fucking infirm.
asciilifeform: d00dz who fell through the floor of their civ for whatever reason
mircea_popescu: these schmucks are not in any sense that ; they wish to "everyone", and wish it so deeply they are willing to take some COLLECTIVE limits, is all.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive" ☟︎
asciilifeform: all 'mass movement' types fit this pattern
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: depends how you define "mass movement", if you define by the pattern then definitely.
asciilifeform: you can't filter signal if all you got is noise
mircea_popescu: would you call the push west a mass movement ?
asciilifeform: exclusivity applied to homo redditus gives the null set.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was speaking of 'movement' in the pol.agitation sense, rather than 'there's gold in them hills'
mircea_popescu: then of course it meets the pattern, you defined it on its basis.
mircea_popescu: anyway, plenty of lulz to be had with the idiots. ask usgistani "extreme right" socialist flavour whether he'd shoot quadriplegic comatose septuagenarian white guy to save life of pregnant woman, race of father unknown.
mircea_popescu: unlike the run of the mill pantsuit, they usually don't have the canned "we don't shoot anyone" cop out
asciilifeform: can also ask the sacramental 'вилку в глаз , или в жопу раз ?'
mircea_popescu: (gentle reminder : the odds of father being same race as mother is a hefty 99.5% today ; about same as it was in times and places where it was actually illegal.)
asciilifeform: ( which is what the 'whom to kill' rebuses always remind me of )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they somehow got accepted by "scientific" efforts in ethics etc at harvard and so.
mircea_popescu: don't ask me wtf sense they';re supposed to make, i dun see it.
asciilifeform: same folx who gave us 'philosophical zombie' etc
asciilifeform: qualia! tulpas!!
mircea_popescu: in other almost lulz https://warosu.org/biz/thread/3659322#p3659725
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
mircea_popescu: apparently there was an announced pump of the bch scamcoin
mircea_popescu: which fizzled.
asciilifeform: https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0036/59/1506689270035.jpg << via subj. win.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, numerically, mit&co burned some money to try and make the dead cat bounce towards .11, failed miserably within an hour, .1 looking doubtful.
asciilifeform: also wtf is an 'announced pump' if not redditusbait put out pre dump.
mircea_popescu: for instance, a "conference" ; an "Agreement", other consensuses. the so and so protocol. you name it.
asciilifeform: https://pastebin.com/2nEbui0K << from subj also, a lulzy 'Русс Здавайсс'
asciilifeform: ( is there a name for these in engl?? )
mircea_popescu: i always like people who can't distinguish its value from it's time to suck my cock.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718385 << which is to say up her own snatch. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 21:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's so as not to stand out from the scenery when fighting on planets with pink vegetation and soil, clearly
asciilifeform: can't think of where else on planet3, pink scenery
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it wasn't fiction, this is actual product, i saw it in store
mircea_popescu: hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: pink, i shit ther not, stocks, grips, straps, etc
mircea_popescu: "but i look like a bimbo" "that's precisely the idea"
asciilifeform: once even saw barrel pink ( how ? and does it crack and flake when fired? i've nfi )
mircea_popescu: pretty sure you can chrome them in colors.
asciilifeform: dun think you can anodize to pink
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: at any rate it looked matte / painted
mircea_popescu: lol. what'd you like the barrel to be ? rifled OR PAINTED ?
mircea_popescu: "can you paint the rifling on ?"
asciilifeform: hey it isn't so much moar idiotic than the ubiquitous, in monkeystans, gilded kalash
mircea_popescu: "our quantum computer-based holographic imaging dept is working on a paint-on rifling solution sir!"
asciilifeform: or for that matter sultan's yatagan with kg of j00lz
mircea_popescu: those items were ceremonial. you've seen the sword of king who actually used it,
mircea_popescu: iirc i linked pic.
asciilifeform: aha and i'm sure chapo had also normal kalash
mircea_popescu: well not in 1500
asciilifeform: point being that pink m16 is equally ceremonial item
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718575 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 01:00 mircea_popescu: hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing.
asciilifeform: possib.
asciilifeform: you wouldn't do that to a rifle you actually expected to use as-designed tho.
mircea_popescu: contrary to usg media depictions, women that can fire infantry weapons are not usually women you'd like to fuck.
mircea_popescu: everywhere but on sony set -- exists recoil.
asciilifeform: su chix-only sniping school somehow managed.
mircea_popescu: (i don't even mean bulk per se. most fucktoys have eg delicate wrists. can't really use guns effecutally if your two fists together weigh less than a gulp of beer.)
asciilifeform: and there are photos, the chix looked all right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they fired from platform yo.
asciilifeform: from earth mostly aha
mircea_popescu: i don't mean they can't fucking drive a car. i mean that they can't throw it.
asciilifeform: modern tinybullet thing has precious little recoil tho
asciilifeform: and massive springs
asciilifeform: ( m16 in particular, it dun even feel like yer firing anything
asciilifeform: )
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: ah this ar thing fires the short nato round does it.
asciilifeform: really exemplifies 'flavour' of modern american soldiering
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was thinking of the large rapper stuff automatically.
asciilifeform: ergonomics, no bruises, 11 flavours of icecream.
mircea_popescu: bruise, right ? "permanent bruise of infanterist".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a 'designated marksman' version firing ye olde winchester long round. but less common , among hobbyists
asciilifeform: mats prolly remembers details.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> choose! zerocoin or zcash or ethertardium!1! << But no longer KKKorea Koin http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/29/lesser-than-north-korea-joins-china-in-banning-ico-fad-ether-prices-drop-with-news/
BingoBoingo: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/09/26/milwaukee-woman-charged-mayhem-followed-chase-loaded-tow-truck/703536001/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= << An actual reality winner
BingoBoingo: And a real butt bandit, pls no turdburglars https://archive.is/8fmuQ
BingoBoingo: And Scottish firefighters are being trained to address the increase in Machete injuries afflicting TheQueenzDemoocracy https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/856238/Scottish-firefighters-trained-help-terror-victims
mats: m240b
BingoBoingo: !!Up jawbone
deedbot: jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and in other special purpose instruments, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHtWSNnXEw
mod6: interesting instrument there
davout: neat, have any vids where it's actually played?
mircea_popescu: davout for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ50T-QBSg0
mircea_popescu: known as "vioara cu goarna" in romanian (higheghe cu tolcer in local dialect ; stroh violin in other local dialect) if you want to look it up yourself. it's the chosen / symbolic instrument of bihor country in transylvania, but widely used in teh nortern countries (of romania).
mircea_popescu: and yes django'd have conceivably loved it, it's specifically toned for his interests.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a violin using a metal plate as a mechanical amplifier. early 1900s idea.
davout: this is intensely cool
mircea_popescu: competent romanians will tell you the instrument's required in serious gypsy band yes.
davout: check the mirror dudes out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635ljhj4guQ
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: that's a dood and his son actually.
mircea_popescu: (the principal limitation of the instrument is that the sound is directional. that's why the twin players is so tempting.)
mircea_popescu: and all this "forking" and "bitcoin cash" and "segwit" and "protocols" and "agreements" bullshit readily brings to mind the old age discussion of all the "alt" bitcoin flavours, back when the item was called doge and the idiots with delusions of self importance were called jackson palmer, kevin rose etc : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptib
mircea_popescu: le-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
mircea_popescu: (dogegoin, which "still exists" has a "market cap" of whatever, >100mn, according to the websites printing arbitrary values next to text strings ; similarily myspace.com is worth $70 mn according to "Worth Of Web Calculator - World's #1 Website Value Calculator")
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4274.17, vol: 7485.08466905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4306.2, vol: 24957.02007659 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 406.48370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4290.1, vol: 3013.91999922 | Volume-weighted last average: 4297.29049703
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/GhTjl ( and elsewhere, e.g. https://archive.is/uvS7m ) >> 'Jose Lugo said the tall metal towers quickly appeared up after the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel tolls booths came down. “We don’t really know what’s the purpose of this,” he told Carlin. It’s a $100 million MTA project shrouded in secrecy, with 18 of them for tunnels and bridges. So what are they exactly? The MTA’s man in charge of the
asciilifeform: bridges and tunnels, Cedrick Fulton, dodged Carlin’s questions Wednesday. “I said no comment,” he said.'
asciilifeform: geometry in photo https://archive.is/uvS7m/6e8269aebe24e3f6332a9503b657b22213e71903.jpg suggests a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-19#1302879 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-19 21:14 assbot: NYPD caught using X-ray vans to search the public, refuses court order to release details | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA1cv )
asciilifeform: ( and/or http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460181 , and naturally also simply money siphon, aka распил бюджета ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 16:43 asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes)
mircea_popescu: i thought mta ran on public funds. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "no comment" ?
mod6: how's it goin?
mircea_popescu: eagerly awaiting deedbot 's reemergence
mod6: *nod*
mod6: To close the loop here a bit, the vtron stuff I've been doing in ada is a lot faster now than it was -- just needed to get some better loop control.
mod6: Basically when working with Strings.Fixed I end up making arrays (of fixed size) of strings (of fixed size), need to use caution always to not continue to iterate if the string at a given index is filled with ' '.
mod6: Doing such, avoid use of the heap. And there is quite a bit of manipulation I have to do with the strings. So that adds some cost, because I'm basically doing the parsing on my own. I'm not using any weird 3rd party libs.
mod6: Anyway, there is some hope here perhaps -- got a long way to go.
mod6: The good news is I'm learning stuff.
mod6: !!up p0nziph0ne
deedbot: p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: Another thing worth the mention is that my ada-vtron shells out to gpg - which adds some time as well. one thing I think that would help is if I could figure out how to capture the shell command output directly back into the application instead of having to write to a file, then read the file back into the program.
mod6: if anyone knows how to do this, let me know.
mod6: for example, I do a bunch of this in perl: @result = `gpg --bla --bla`; foreach(@result) { }
mod6: but as far as I can tell, there is no way to do that in ada. the general thing i've seen out on the web is that you must write the output of the shell command to a file, then read it back in.
mod6: anyway, this is all just experimental stuff. no worries.
asciilifeform: mod6: http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/gems/gem-54/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 16:04 mircea_popescu: i thought mta ran on public funds.
mod6: thanks alf!
asciilifeform: lemme know if it worx, mod6
mod6: i'd been avoiding using GNAT libs... maybe I shouldn't have been?
asciilifeform: ( i have not personally tried )
asciilifeform: mod6: doing os-related cruft presents a choice b/w gnat libs and c callouts
asciilifeform: you will notice, for mmap i picked the latteer
asciilifeform: *latter
mod6: ya. i was looking at your stuff to sort of guide me a bit.
asciilifeform: because adacore's mmap lib is a massive pile of shit ( e.g. includes winblowzisms )
mod6: i'm strictly doing c callouts.
asciilifeform: the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically
asciilifeform: ( i.e. no possibility of string fandango, etc )
mod6: but am flexible. my basic aim is to write the code, keep it as tight and functionally appropriate as possible, then tune it later.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically << yeah, my approach now seems sane. might be a bit expensive tho. so, if there's a better way thats still 'sane', will try that and report back.
asciilifeform: the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact.
mod6: anyway, it's been pretty cool to see this thing come to life. im now in the process of building the big map of vpatch->srcfile->{hash_a, hash_b}
asciilifeform: neato.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact. << ah, this is even deeper than i have it for sure.
mod6: eitherway, thanks for the tip.
asciilifeform: sure.
mod6: how's it goin with ffa stuff?
asciilifeform: still on barrett
mod6: werd. exciting stuff. wish i could help more :/
asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye ☟︎
asciilifeform: from openssl down to the crackpot libs, same exact thing, somehow the ~label~ is supposed to... make it so?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718666 << not at all comparable, federal govt carved itself out some corruption purse ; mta is a local affair, has no such bs legislation. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 18:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: takes fed moneys, neh
asciilifeform: just like the statehighways etc
mircea_popescu: not afaik
mircea_popescu: indirectly via debt ie "bonds" underwritten by fed via usg.idiots 401k etc
asciilifeform: 'New York State’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has said that it needs $29.8 billion in capital spending over the next five years... ...After months of silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo has weighed in with a plan: $8.3 billion from the state, $3.2 billion from the city and the rest from the federal government and other sources' -- volkischer beobachter, aug. 2015
mircea_popescu: a nm, their 2015 five year plan 30bn is a jumble.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718691 << in the same vein, "everywhere on the net" you see discussion of "stalin purges" and headcounts and commentary past satiem and nauseam. what you won't find is a fucking LIST OF NAMES. AT ALL. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 18:26 asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye
mircea_popescu: you wanna know which fucking slavsky he supposedly strangled, as it's not the yefrim director of medium machinery ministry, who survived to the 80s ?
mircea_popescu: FUCK YOU!!! details are for terrorists! Stalin killed 20mn people and they had no names!
asciilifeform: he ate'em!11
mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and so on and so following, an entire anthill of priorless idiots.
mircea_popescu: they could be tachyons for all the fucking difference it'd make, came from the future and going to disappear into the past.
asciilifeform: http://old.memo.ru/memory/spiski.htm << the most liberally snarfing 'list of repressed' derps, funded by usg dos, sum up to 3mil.
asciilifeform: and incidentally whenever i dig out an actual case file ( there are not many in public domain , no prizes for guessing why ) it dun read like a 'arrested for nuffin'
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, a list of 20mn names would be too long, here's instead a 1.2gb video version of me going uuuuhhh ummm in a concrete cell with plastic loose wallpaper!"
asciilifeform: more typically a 'stole from employer for decade+, and then Cruelly Unjustly Repressed (tm)'
asciilifeform: 'but i was just orcing, like any other orc'
mircea_popescu: cuz fucking obviously, their windows notepad croaks if confronted with a 100mb csv, whereas their windows media player plays the uhhhhs and ummms just fine.
mircea_popescu: buncha monkeys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but it's not in fucking english, the language of the premiere science engineering shitheads in the world, now is it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and fwiw, CUR is how you say ass in romanian.
asciilifeform: http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php << another interhashinlkomyooniti-suppored derpatron; claims 1.5mil searchable bios
asciilifeform: incidentally when is anybody gonna make one of these for usa
asciilifeform: could be 100mil easy as pie
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718706 << i find it interesting how the racket is supposed, evidently, to work : the details somehow 'have been reified into The Consensus Reality (tm)(r) and consequently Only A Terrorist would demand to 'reopen the case', demand raw figures, verifiable-anythings. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 18:36 mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ?
asciilifeform: ( witness how they treat localhost 'deniers' etc )
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw slavsky is identified as Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky. and reich is likely zinaida, esenin's wif.
asciilifeform: not strangled at all tho
mircea_popescu: which ?
asciilifeform: yaroslavsky
mircea_popescu: http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php?fam=%DF%F0%EE%F1%EB%E0%E2%F1%EA%E8%E9&im=&otc=&birth=none&bday=1&bmonth=1&byear=&arrest=none&aday=1&amonth=1&ayear=&book=all&subm=%CF%EE%E8%F1%EA << fellow pointedly absent.
asciilifeform: i assume we're discussing the propagandist ?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ? died 1943 in moscow of what ?
asciilifeform: cancer, as far as anybody knows.
mircea_popescu: "being a trotskist" afaik.
asciilifeform: nope?
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't be the first time romanian history of the urss diverges from russians' own idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how far does the disagreement go ? y. wrote a likbez on bolshevic orthodoxy that stalin found extremely apt in 1940, and then full of heresies in 1943. aye or nay ?
asciilifeform: afaik d00d was never publicly defrocked, or even rebuked, buried with honour in the fortress wall
mircea_popescu: his book was fucvking banned!
asciilifeform: which book
mircea_popescu: history of communist party.
mircea_popescu: the "reliable guide" of 1920s.
asciilifeform: let's verify that we have same d00d ?
asciilifeform: http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_ya/jaroslavski_em.php << him ?
asciilifeform: ( scroll to the caricature, also. )
asciilifeform: afaik d00d sucked stalin's cock till the day he died.
mircea_popescu: мельян Михайлович Ярославский born gubelman.
mircea_popescu: same man.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing the cock not the sucker here tho.
mircea_popescu: yes, most of them sucked it till the end.
asciilifeform: wrote canonical bio of stalin, sat on the librorum prohibitorum committees, etc
mircea_popescu: well nikita also wrote cannonical obit of stalin, but the point is, he did fall at some point in the 30s, his historia was indexed, and so on.
mircea_popescu: might have been reprieved.
mircea_popescu: might have died of cancewr, i guess.
asciilifeform: last link defo not prosov www. and yet 0 record, there or anywhere, of y having written a book that got unhappened etc
mircea_popescu: the self-same history of the bolshevik party.
asciilifeform: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/4440538/ << hey is that is
asciilifeform: *it
mircea_popescu: naaa
mircea_popescu: hmn
mircea_popescu: the original item was called "History" not "victory". this looks like a 60s reprint maybe ?
mircea_popescu: the original item, published 1926 or such
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: that's what it is, История ВКП(б)
asciilifeform: 1934.
mircea_popescu: oook, i found reference! lyova wrote to trotsky on 19 nov 1937, and trotsky replied jan 22 next year, they are discussing the stalin ban on the yaroslavsky item!
asciilifeform: let's have it?
mircea_popescu: well this may take a little, where the fuck does one find this shit online.
asciilifeform: all i dug up is various folx contesting the authorship
mircea_popescu: sorry asciilifeform . all i have are my own notes, which are as all hand notes useless without hte backing of the library of origin (in this case, the universitary library of cluj). teh interwebs dun seem to have a "here's the list of trotsky letters". ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : subj b00k became Official Truth on party history etc )
mircea_popescu: problem compounded by the fact that my only interest in the matter stems from an obscure mention in an post-war anti-soviet propaganda song by some guy i studied.
asciilifeform: http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com << in other lulz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moscopol ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, other event, also from 1931 : ryazanov got outsted from his mit. aye or nay ?
mircea_popescu: 3rd event, for the pattern : stalin personally wrote against the whole staff of proletarian revolution, for "trafficking trotskism". aye or nay ?
asciilifeform: 1 at a time...
asciilifeform: which ryazanov
mircea_popescu: the one that lead the marx-engels institute
asciilifeform: d. b. ryazanov aite
mircea_popescu: david, born goldensomething or the other. guy died in 38.
asciilifeform: ate lead yea
mircea_popescu: ok so, for summation : the objection re the gazette was that it said something about rosa luxembourg (as the habit was to glorify the three l's, and stalin wanted it broken) ; the objection re ryazanov was that he typified a sort of marxist-leninist scholarship that was stalin-indifferent, stalin didn't like. and the objection re yaroslavski was that his original, 1920s item reflected a history not sufficiently flattering for
mircea_popescu: stalin, by for instance daring mention that trotski was you know, minister of war, rather than consumate conspirator.
mircea_popescu: now, your argument here is that the last two got hung but the first escaped ?
asciilifeform: by all indications
mircea_popescu: well, whether this is true or not, at the time my guy wrote it hadn't happened yet.
asciilifeform: escaped by 'turning on a dime' when asked.
mircea_popescu: tis possible.
mircea_popescu: was young enough, unlike r.
asciilifeform: the observation re stalin rm -rf / 'ing the well-developed wot pre-dating him, is old hat and entirely tru
asciilifeform: though i will add that if there had been not a stalin, and this were not done, su would look like zimbabwe (or, charitably, argentina et al)
asciilifeform: iirc we had the thread.
asciilifeform: old man iosif vissarionovich nixed the luxembourgs, lenins, 'world revolution' crapola, leftist idiocies in the vein of 'free luvv', cancellation of money, of military ranks, of whatever semblance of order, mulched, as necessary, the kakobreklas who balked
asciilifeform: then slaughtered the moos and out of their bone starch built industry etc.
asciilifeform: modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first ☟︎
asciilifeform: this didn't work. proceeded with mulching.
asciilifeform: beheaded ~100k or so (near as i can tell) 'pantsuits' , to make it stick.
mircea_popescu: well, the interest of the historian is not you know, ethical.
asciilifeform: depends on the distance.
mircea_popescu: i just wanna be able to decode five syllables on an ancient rca record. the man says, in romanian phonetics, "raic si slavski"
mircea_popescu: which who the fuck are they ?
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, the folx pissing on stalin today, divide into usefulidjits and the actively pantsuited ( who would ~prefer~ an argentina in place of su )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it possible that he meant the czech ?
asciilifeform: slansky
mircea_popescu: no because he comes later.
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: both historically and in the song.
asciilifeform: when was the song ?
mircea_popescu: now, i'm pretty sure i got them right, esenin's wife and yaroslavski. but old ro guard disagrees,
mircea_popescu: granted disagrees with boneheaded traditions identifying the latter as this guy who was you know, active throughout the 70s and 80s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hard to date, but between 1946 and 1958 or so.
asciilifeform: rudolf slansky swung in '52
asciilifeform: after ostentatious show trial
asciilifeform: so it could be the czech, neh
mircea_popescu: probably during petru groza cabinet, 52 to 58
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem with these items is that they are one step removed from gypsy fare. the words change.
mircea_popescu: it is customary to sing them like i tell jokes : about the persons present.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "Asa dupa Reichxxiii si Slavskyxxiv Stalin curata pe Slanskyxxv iar Malenkov pe Beriaxxvi, ca sa nu-l mai supere cu peria." << whole verse.
asciilifeform: hmm
mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this verse was not written in one day.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder from where author drew his input
asciilifeform: to where his light cone even extended.
mircea_popescu: pretty much literal fascists.
asciilifeform: but which fascists.
asciilifeform: ( nor does being a fascist automagically give you a window into the shooting cellar, and name of every d00d on the conveyor, lol, in real time )
mircea_popescu: as for eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697137 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch
asciilifeform: upstack, http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com/frontend/node/3#tag=VKP has supposed scans of original drafts, stalin's red ink, correspondence, relating to subj b00k. but the yale people want a reg and asciilifeform can't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: this item reminds asciilifeform of his highschool thesis-thing, which was a massive dig into the primary docs re lysenko
asciilifeform: who, interestingly, today has his defenders. iirc we had the thread.
mircea_popescu: do you know of any other possible candidate to fill the sound /slavskʲ/ ?
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646050 << thread, iirc ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 15:49 asciilifeform: let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov.
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: http://www.veteranrosatom.ru/articles/articles_276.html << surely not him
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem likely does it.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: i suspect we have a bitrot artifact.
mircea_popescu: do you recall the now-famous davai zdreantsa incident ?
asciilifeform: per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684571 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 19:08 mircea_popescu: this is done universally and to everything, german, russian, turkish. zdreantsa!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683806 prolly better link ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 20:19 phf: apparently the complete form is "davai zdreanta, desdemona! -- kakoy zdreanta, otela, blya??"
asciilifeform: aa yea
mircea_popescu: i find all 1943 cases of cancer highly suspect.
mircea_popescu: for that money reich also had cancer of the phnatom udder.
asciilifeform: but not of stroke, or typhoid ?
mircea_popescu: less, somehow.
asciilifeform: i mean, if we're still doing yaroslavsky, as far as available data goes, d00d lived and died a bootlick
mircea_popescu: died 1943.
asciilifeform: i've nothing against a version where he Had To Have Problems, but currently not seeing anything that'd point in that direction
asciilifeform: i can see even why stalin might've nailed kirov, his personal friend
asciilifeform: but yaroslavsky - nfi why
mats: in my experience not every unit had a weapon system suited to the designated marksman role, which can often just be the guy with the most accuracy and an acog scope, or a saw gunner, or a 240b
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718796 << re this, the ~whole objection re trump is that he didn't go into the first press conference with "1. nobody who worked for us govt in the past five years can continue to do so ; 2. i will propose at most one name to congress. they have 48 hour to approve. if i don't propose, or they don't approve, or they approve in 48h01m, the whole dept in question gets unwound, including by publ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 19:26 asciilifeform: modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first
mircea_popescu: ic auction of furniture". and then cleared the hall of pressjews with the mounted police, breaking as many heads as at all possible.
mats: poverty of equipment, my platoon didn't have one but some others did
asciilifeform: mats: so who and where carries the .308 a10 or what was it
mircea_popescu: mats "ar-15 entirely exists because weak-ass usian soldier ersatzes can't carry a proper gun. true or false ?"
mircea_popescu: that's my understanding of it, "we'll delegate small arms supression fire to the a-10 airborne platform, and then discontinue it. soldiers can carry icecream cones."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc smallbulletism began in early '60s, and a continuation of german crackpottery, sturmgewehr 'intermediate'
mircea_popescu: just about the time the new generation of orwell bedwetters started whining about how they're affraid of the enemy.
mircea_popescu: so yes, joan baez days.
asciilifeform: the 'wound'em, not kill, tie up 3 men' thing has merit, neh
asciilifeform: plus the 'if yer mostly laying down suppressivefire, smaller bullet worx as well as gigantic'
mircea_popescu: neh. because if you're behind a concrete wall and i'm behind a concrete wall, i'd rather unzip and piss on you than try and fire a shitass 5mm gun
mats: asciilifeform: i never encountered it but i wasn't infantry, we didn't have a use for it, snipers had m24
asciilifeform: drilling through concrete is for work for squad machinegun, neh, not for small arm
mircea_popescu: is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the theory of this sounds a lot different from the practice of this.
mats: mircea_popescu: works well in iraqi cities, not so much in afghan
mircea_popescu: the only extra hole in my hide i acquired through ricochet under car, nearly lost a knee. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if it were small it'd never have made it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you weighed it when it came out of the meat ?
mircea_popescu: i even kept it a while.
asciilifeform: which round was it
mircea_popescu: was but fragment.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: then who knows which
mircea_popescu: what, you think the op survived to carry the source away ?
mircea_popescu: what is this.
asciilifeform: i dun think mircea_popescu ever told the story, aside from the detail where he had an extra hole. so nfi.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu irrespective, the point remains that in most actual engagements, there's a minimum projectile size worth firing.
mircea_popescu: also the notion that wounded men stop firing, and limp around like little bitches is borne of little familiarity with any actual war.
asciilifeform: usg army is built for panamas, not stalingrads.
mircea_popescu: at which point revisiting http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ is probably apropos. doods were firing at helicopters with enough lead inside to make a set of toy soldiers.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : the "wounded man ties up 3 soldiers", other than the baked in presumptions that these are the caring kind of soldiers and the inept kind of wounded, also neglects to mention that ricochet has killed more peopl;e than direct fire since the invention of gunpowder. and by a factor of 10 to 100, not piddly.
asciilifeform: what's mircea_popescu's hypothesis re why su army did not see through smallbulletism , and adopted ?
mircea_popescu: why did su not see through atomic bomb, and adopted ?
mircea_popescu: su suffered from chinese disease of monkeying tv.
asciilifeform: bomb was a good deal tho
mircea_popescu: in what sense ?
asciilifeform: 'touch moscow, lose london'
mircea_popescu: you think anyone gives a flying fuck ?
mircea_popescu: srsly now. youi think anyone cared ? then or now ? london, really ?
mircea_popescu: you ever been ?
asciilifeform: never been, and 0 plans
mircea_popescu: so from your pov, already lost ?
asciilifeform: proverbial!11 london. as in, separate addr for every particular derp with napoleonic ambitions
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with "wasting" money, in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711187 yhes good for them, got bomb, got into rocketry, won space race etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 16:12 mircea_popescu: there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research.
mircea_popescu: but this is not really decided on the merits, is it.
mircea_popescu: maybe through fielding 3mm bullets and peashooters for them they discover a new way to please the females, insert into urethra and empty magazine.
mircea_popescu: if this were to happen it still wouldn't be an argument for the military value of shooting pea.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: on the strict, first layer implications, soviets eating the bomb bait produced some rich us contractors and a bankrupt su economy.
asciilifeform: and if not eaten, quite probably would've been glassed some time in 50s-60s.
mircea_popescu: this has little value, obviously, exactly in the sense cancer prevention has little value. "oh we stopped smoking and yet" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989 what could be the explanatuion!!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
asciilifeform: ( or 'democratized', panamized. )
mircea_popescu: obviously the fucking explanation is that the sort of bioscum that get cancer from smoking will still get the cancer from other things ifthey can't get it from smoking
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably it was so democratized anyway. bombs didn't do jack did they.
asciilifeform: if a great pistolero, attacked by none, grows senile and finally slips in bathtub, it does not say anything re value of pistol.
asciilifeform: pistol is not immortality pill.
asciilifeform: and everybody, people, empires -- gotta die of sumthing.
mircea_popescu: i thought the whole fucking point of politics was to discover the thing that needn't die.
asciilifeform: and if one is not indifferent re how to die, on knees or standing -- then pistol is valuable.
mircea_popescu: else why even fucking bother with any thing at all.
asciilifeform: lol, why bother to clean kitchen when don't have thousandyearreich yet ?
asciilifeform: what is this, gabriel_laddel ?
mircea_popescu: i mean "Any thing at all" in the way of politics.
mircea_popescu: if this form of organziation, govt, what you call it, society, ANYTHING does not come with promise of permanence, why am i even considering it ?
asciilifeform: imho kitchen 1st, 1000yr reich 2nd. in politics or in engine maintenance or wherever.
mircea_popescu: go fix it first and bother me when you have.
mircea_popescu: until then, no need of any of it.
mircea_popescu: in other words, the mp strong argument for anarchism : the only regime that may be temporary is anarchism.
mircea_popescu: anything else, must make strong case for permanence.
asciilifeform: proof of permanence are to be requested from the splenduferious goddess on olympus, or where.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not invested in this.
asciilifeform: they dun have'em on my homeplanet.
mircea_popescu: when they find them, they can notify.
mircea_popescu: if the rule is "to fly with apparatus heavier than air must generate lift in excess of weight", there's no rider going "but tell us where to find such lift".
mircea_popescu: find it and ye may fly ; find it not and stfu in a chorus.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718873 if it wasn't obvious the reason it's famous is the https://www.facebook.com/remingtonarmscompany/videos/1863133148249/ vs https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/17/states-join-objections-to-remington-rifle-settlement.html lulz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 20:04 mircea_popescu: is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ?
mircea_popescu: (remington 700 fires without trigger interaction ; longstanding problem, hundreds of deaths/injuries, multiple lawsuits. cca 1995-2005 remington kept pushing out "point by point responses" and other nonsense, which they've meanwhile beleeted throughout, including spam domains a la remington700.tv and such "deniable" efforts "by consultants". in 2017, half the DAs oppose a settlement on the grounds that insufficient.
mircea_popescu: as far as remington isconcerned however, a proposal to replace ~8mn triggers is not a recall!
asciilifeform: hey, ppsh fired when dropped
asciilifeform: would discharge the whole drum, even
mircea_popescu: myeah.