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BingoBoingo: https://debmcalister.com/2014/01/05/dont-tie-a-yellow-ribbon-on-your-dogs-list/
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 550.443731305
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
mircea_popescu: which is why "every" imbecile ustard agreed di maggio is some sort of big deal 50 years ago, much like every argentine fucktard thinks messi is "his idol".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
mircea_popescu: fuck whatever the fuck derp "can't" (ie, doesn't, DELIBERATELY, want to) get in the WoT. Fuck him with ten thousand dongs borrowed from the leprosarium, he is the enemy.
mircea_popescu: above any obama or any other nigger ; above any "4th column" idiot kids imagining themselves sikrit agents.
mircea_popescu: "In Texas and a number of other states, it’s legal to shoot a dog if someone is “reasonably” afraid of it." << everywhgere sane, pretty much. wtf.
mircea_popescu: you want to derp with dogs, buy a ranch.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473834 << eh hey i get it, sure, mircea_popescu is odoacer, and doesn't give half a rat's arse if anybody ever builds another aqueduct or blows a glass vase, esp not if it's a stinking dickless city-dwellin' pedo, etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 23:43 mircea_popescu: the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473835 << i'ma have to reread the original mircea_popescu-vs-locklin thing aren't i. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 23:44 mircea_popescu: it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not going to import as much as a nail's dirt worth of old crap, even for all the vases in the world, be they made of glass bead or kidney stone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible position, but so is the fact that folks who don't know what a prime number is are beasts of the field.
asciilifeform: just like folk who haven't any clue how to adjust rifle for wind and fall.
asciilifeform: or can't wire a light.
mircea_popescu: i am not convinced there's twenty people alive who know what a number is altogether, prime or not.
asciilifeform: know in the rifle sense.
asciilifeform: not in peano's.
mircea_popescu: and that should now make a difference.
asciilifeform: it makes a difference precisely where the rifle does.
mircea_popescu: since when does this "functional literacy" constitute a standard.
asciilifeform: if you can't pgp you are a beast of the field.
asciilifeform: and pgp is liable to resolve to 'build it'.
asciilifeform: just like in 15th c. cannoneer and trigonometer was identical.
asciilifeform: dun like this standard? complain to god of war, not me.
mircea_popescu: was never fucking identical.
asciilifeform: well obviously not in the 'every bloke with cannon a pythagoras' sense.
mircea_popescu: king's artillery school "trigonometeer" was trigonometeer much like aol subscriber was "interneteer".
shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1464656413624.webm
mircea_popescu: there'd better be tits bouncing there i'm in a mood foul as hell
mircea_popescu: close enough.
shinohai: Well there's tits in it
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu get bitten by peron's zombie or wut.
asciilifeform: i can tell he is throwing things.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi dude, i've never been this sick in my life.
asciilifeform: mosquito bites ?
asciilifeform: perhaps it's that plague
mircea_popescu: it's some obscure common cold branch. ain;'t got nothin' but wastin' my time.
asciilifeform: damn.
asciilifeform wishes mircea_popescu a quick return to battle form.
mircea_popescu: this is my battle form.
mircea_popescu: when healthy i'm in more of a scholarly form i guess.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
asciilifeform: in related nyooz i saw what passes for an american military parade today
asciilifeform: it was mightily depressing
asciilifeform: buncha high school bands from midwest.
mircea_popescu: were the nukes pointy at least ?
asciilifeform: and some VERY old men pulled in a wagon thing behind a jeep
asciilifeform: korea vets.
asciilifeform: not ONE rocket or tank or ... any.
asciilifeform: not even motorbikers, apparently those went the other day, in the good weather.
asciilifeform: the americans, so sad, have nfi what a real parade is!
asciilifeform: they think this is it!
mircea_popescu: the chinese are busting the records for that.
asciilifeform: i bet the chinese don't even have to drive the same rocket around a corner 10 times.
asciilifeform: like su did.
mircea_popescu: nope. they actually (from what i hear) make pools and pick which to run
mircea_popescu: so they don't end up embarassed. like, 1 of 3 regiments goes, sorta thing
asciilifeform: as a boy i always imagined that chinese parade includes blokes carrying little stools from which they will - together, and seismically calamitously - jump !
mircea_popescu: lotta changed since you were a boy!
mircea_popescu: used to be, you know, back in the 80s, china was roughly speaking a very large vietnam.
asciilifeform: they had working nukes when i was a boy.
asciilifeform: though people forget this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473652 << it won't be so, for the same exact reason the "true standard" of "original vellum roll with chain of custody" didn't make it as a "golden standard" past 500ad. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:42 asciilifeform: i wish this were not so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they had norking wukes ~in the sense the brits do : the americans gave them some.
asciilifeform: in '70s?!
asciilifeform: afaik american 'donation' to cn began with clinton.
mircea_popescu: at whatever point they had that fallout with moscow.
mircea_popescu: naw.
asciilifeform: interesting...
asciilifeform: and to india, they also gave ?!
mircea_popescu: there was military tech transfer to china right around the cuban crisis.
asciilifeform: btw according to brits the american nuke was a fair trade for the gas
mircea_popescu: india i have nfi, possibly brits gave them.
mircea_popescu: sure, and according to every divorced woman the house was fair trade for the nagging.
asciilifeform: lol aha
mircea_popescu: now, not to say that current chinese capacities in rocketry and so on aren't mostly chinese. they are ; with a little dab of helping from anyone available to help for a reasonable fee, the swiss, romanians, jews, whoever the fuck.
asciilifeform: iirc that khan fella went round and round, helpin'.
asciilifeform: and that's just the 1 who advertised his name.
mircea_popescu: truth be told this isn't particularly advanced tech.
asciilifeform: i'd idly like to know if anyone is using the laser separator.
mircea_popescu: wasn't in the 40s either, more of a "holy shit engineering feat" than a "omaigerd its incomprehensible arcana"
asciilifeform: (~100x cheaper than centrifuge isotope separation device)
asciilifeform: in '40s the separation machine was ruinously inefficient.
asciilifeform: esp. the american abomination
asciilifeform: calutron.
asciilifeform: remember it? gigantic mass spec.
asciilifeform: with a funnel.
mircea_popescu: very deeply embedded in my skull as an example of "american engineering"
asciilifeform: usa had cheap electric, but was not remotely cheap enough.
asciilifeform: aha, every literate man's skull i think
mircea_popescu: good thing they didn't make a tin woman, in the shape of a raindeer with a funnel up its butt.
asciilifeform: which is why the crackpot hypothesis that they plundered german uranium is so popular
asciilifeform: there is, in archive, a letter from general groves to truman stating, plainly, that there will not be REMOTELY enough U for bomb. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in '44.
asciilifeform: (at the production rate then.)
mircea_popescu: it's doubtful wtf the germans had.
asciilifeform: what exactly patton (who died in strange circumstances right after war) found when he plundered the seeekrit shit, is still Officially Seekrit.
asciilifeform: ditto what was in the massive 6-engined junkers that flew to buenos aires in '45.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but he's fondly remembered as the "let's keep going" guy.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: at any rate, germany had the gas centrifuge, it is where su found it.
asciilifeform: worked great.
asciilifeform: ;;google "nazi bell"
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473666 << eh you kidding, i'm the nicest guy there is. ☝︎
asciilifeform: eh.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:45 asciilifeform: which is that mircea_popescu has thick walls in his head covered in barbed wire, and newcomers are necessarily massaged by said barbed wire.
asciilifeform: relatedly, i can see ( re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473848 ) the argument. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 00:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations.
asciilifeform: 'nice' ain't nice, makes axenic mice.
asciilifeform: ^ ought to be advertisement jingle...
mircea_popescu: just don't step on any of the invisible tripwires that are found in places which don't even necessarily make geometric sense. TO YOU, NOOB!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473851 << was less 'demoocracy' and more about how world used to be less verminiferous on the whole and folks had a bit moar surplus to throw around. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 00:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.
mircea_popescu: ironically, this whole thing is also discussed on trilema. lemme fish it out, mostly for diana_coman 's interest mebbe.
asciilifeform: including thrown at promising n00bs
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ << check it out, i found it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473670 << this is a fallacy of the first order. it could be presumed to come from some sort of cleric, who could be presumed to be some sort of transposition of that horror which today i call a nigger. i see no benefit accruing to me on this score for going back to 1850 or 1650. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:46 asciilifeform: no barbed wire is necessary.
mircea_popescu: even then i'd still have had to ask "but do you know voltaire" and gut them if not.
asciilifeform: would rather be ritchie at bell labs, or voltaire ^, or hard-nose british surrounded by angry niggerz to machine gun all day long
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473674 << yeah, except we're fucking that up with euloran noobs ;/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:48 diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
asciilifeform: i have not been tuned in.. mircea_popescu, how is the experiment in driving all-comers to pgp coming along ?
asciilifeform: i recall a very recent post re some derp who had to be formally drummed out on account of persistent idiocy
mircea_popescu: the one time when "has Latin", that, specifically, not "can write" or other junk would have served as you wish it to serve, was cca 500 ad. and at that time it served like "knowing idish" served you in the new york harbor cca early 1900s. plenty of people were there because specifically "Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenti
mircea_popescu: care."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-30.log.html#t21:26:47
mircea_popescu: miserably.
asciilifeform: where do these even come from.
asciilifeform: they, what, search google for 'i'm out of gamez, i need a game' ?
asciilifeform: and find eulora somehow
asciilifeform: woah,
asciilifeform: 'zakorus123 is no one able to rescue me by buying my 1.2m coppers 07:59
asciilifeform: zakorus123 mircae PLEASE 07:59
asciilifeform: zakorus123 *makes sad puppy eyes*'
asciilifeform: pretty special.
asciilifeform: i dun even play, and i cringe.
deedbot: [Qntra] Darkode Member Sentenced - http://qntra.net/2016/05/darkode-member-sentenced/
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, the most pathetic thing at the parade was a GIGANTIC american flag carried by buncha korean derps, emigres,
asciilifeform: one set carrying banner, 'korean unification league' or somethinglikethat
asciilifeform: hard to imagine moar pathetic set.
asciilifeform: except possibly if they had czechs
asciilifeform: at whose embassy there is a shrine to patton, who took ~one town~
asciilifeform: (and nothing at all about, well, the folks who actually kicked the jerries out of their pesthole)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so dude goes in, wants to buy coppers, which me and n other people tell him to simmer down and figure out the game first ; then spends the next weeks hussling bitcent at a time.
mircea_popescu: his whatever subscription UNEXPECTEDLY ended today, he had no idea this is gonna occur you know, 4 days ago.
asciilifeform: eulora has subscriptions ?!
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: then ???
mircea_popescu: i dunno what he was paying, something steam or whatever
asciilifeform: what's it to do with eulora ?!
asciilifeform: what am i missing
mircea_popescu: dude had an unexpected expense in the form of a lapsing subscription, being the idea.
asciilifeform: ah he wanted btc
mircea_popescu: ~like "hey, my electricity bill came thursday, i had no idea monday this might occur"
asciilifeform: and ~demanded!1111~ to be fed
asciilifeform: this apparently is an actual thing, some folks were taken down from the trees by mistake, and cannot handle any timed process more complicated than skinning banana
mircea_popescu: "i've never observed these things show up regularly on a monthly schedule befoar"
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: it's a very "western world" phenomena, roughly half the beatings in half the girls in the first half year have something to do with "i was surprised by X periodic event", usually a bill or w/e
asciilifeform: one would naively imagine that GURLS would have no problem with this !1111
asciilifeform: srsly do they not menstruate.
asciilifeform: does it not behave even approximately as timer.
asciilifeform: or is it, too, 'surprise' ?!
mircea_popescu: honestly i think it's an outgrowth of the "college experience"
asciilifeform: where, what, there is no such thing as semester ?
mircea_popescu: college in teh modern democracy being this roughly speaking featureless insane asylum. getting terms extended becomes then positive attention, and so they start seeking it for lack of anything else more meaningful to seek
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was in the asylum, it had the seeds of this at the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) most surpriseful of all surprises b) girls of the age living "alone" ie, not tonsils deep in other girl's cunts don't usually have regular periods.
asciilifeform: but generally folks had to at least feign illness to get terms extended
mircea_popescu: it's a funny if poorly studied phenomenon : much like immunity in young children is mostly herd-based,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought they synced with roommates / officemates
mircea_popescu: period regulation in young females is ALSO herd based.
mircea_popescu: not without biological exchange though.
asciilifeform: there is ~no such thing in usa studentland as 'chick living alone'.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of "hepatitis alone" rather than "influenza alone"
asciilifeform: i thought all they had to do was be in smellin' range.
mircea_popescu: notrly. i think that only works in rats.
mircea_popescu: wearing each other's underwear works though.
asciilifeform: in the kind of close quarters dorm folk live in, they may as well be eating each other's undies.
asciilifeform: (have you ~seen~ the rat pits.)
mircea_popescu: condomsharing (ie, when you enter them alternatively without bothering to change the condom) definitely does.
mircea_popescu: yeah well there's that.
mircea_popescu: i suspect sweat actually is also a major factor ; definitely urine. complicated matter and i'm lazy. let the curious mind run their own studies.
mircea_popescu: neways, this log is long an' the flesh is weak. bbl!
asciilifeform also bbl, pet was waiting.
shinohai: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-agents-gun-stolen-from-car-in-san-francisco/2016/05/30/113d22c0-26cf-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html <<< bwahahaha
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> miserably. << But no one joined just to gank your mining barge
trinque: asciilifeform: you are reusing the ID field in your atom feed
trinque: my assumption is that is why posts are missed.
trinque: were that unique as per (iirc) the spec of atom it'd not be skipping posts
trinque: can just put #timestamp on the ID or something if you like
trinque: checked code, ID field indeed. were I to use timestamp, then some asshole would give me two of the same timestamp
trinque: I can either check each field for differences like a retard or just be given an ID that identifies the event, not the thing to which it happened
BingoBoingo: In other old trilema http://trilema.com/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/ ☟︎
asciilifeform: another great oldie: http://trilema.com/2013/the-delusion-of-infrastructure
asciilifeform: 'If the herd becomes too loud or too otherwise noticeable in any one place, the people will just move to another place.'
deedbot: [Qntra] Forced Outrage Over Ohio Gorilla Shooting - http://qntra.net/2016/05/forced-outrage-over-ohio-gorilla-shooting/
BingoBoingo: Gorilla not a euphamism
ben_vulpes: holy shit
ben_vulpes: so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint? ☟︎
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what total energy constraint? lagrange's ?
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Getting older’s easier with friends like these. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/getting-olders-easier-with-friends-like-these/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: notionally she derived conservation of energy while translating newton's principia
asciilifeform: waiwut
ben_vulpes: struck me as crazy too
ben_vulpes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89milie_du_Ch%C3%A2telet#Advocacy_of_kinetic_energy cites http://www.springer.com/us/book/9789400720749
phf: 40% of Pycon talks by women!
asciilifeform: phf: lulzily i just met one of these (as part of my official expedition duties)
asciilifeform: she is in there even now.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what happens at a 'pycon' etc.
phf: i went to pycon twice back when guido (and part of Twisted team) were still in dc doing Zope. it was different back then(tm), but i distinctly remember there being "talks by women", not surprisingly of varied quality
ben_vulpes: birds of a feather were the only talks worth the time
ben_vulpes: at least when i went
ben_vulpes stumbled into the cool kids room, on the topic of testing
ben_vulpes: bottles of two-hundred dollar scotch just disappearing
ben_vulpes: much swearing
ben_vulpes: much lamenting of bad practices with explicit callouts
ben_vulpes: lots of jocular name calling
deedbot: [Qntra] Self Propagating Ransomware Arrives - http://qntra.net/2016/05/self-propagating-ransomware-arrives/
asciilifeform: i went to a total of 1 tech-themed con, shmoocon, and it was a pathetic waste of time
asciilifeform: (as reported in the l0gz in real time...)
asciilifeform: did we ever do this (now vintage) lul? https://medium.com/@taliajane/an-open-letter-to-my-ceo-fb73df021e7a#.79otiy1lk << chick wrote this and was fired, caused media splash which i as always slept through, but it is entertaining
asciilifeform: read like mircea_popescu wrath fodder ☟︎
BingoBoingo: "Maybe instead, you can help set up something to allow Eat24/Yelp employees to get food from local food banks and soup kitchens? I’m pretty proficient at rice, but some hot soup would sure make up for not being able to afford to use my heater." Why wasn't the bitch availing herself of this?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: more interesting question, what of the 'gold mine between her legs' ?
asciilifeform: down for maintenance ? or wut.
BingoBoingo: Have you googled her pictures? Not even a lead mine.
asciilifeform: link?
trinque: who's going to pay in the broke-ass valley anyway
asciilifeform lazy
trinque: does cunt take stock options?
asciilifeform: trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: it can take plutonium if it wants
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just google her name
phf: well, conference scene's been taken over particularly hard by the usual suspects. it was mildly useful back in 2005, because you could get a face to face, or a beer session, with useful people. for example at pycon i got to spend time with the entire twisted team, which was at a rear end of me trying to grok their stack, so i had a lot of very productive learning sessions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey she has a face!
asciilifeform: whatsyerproblem.
BingoBoingo: But myspace angles, proceed with caution.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat's that mean
BingoBoingo: You know. The camera tricks split finned cetceans use on dating sites to appear human like.
trinque: she does not look to be starving
asciilifeform: i have nfi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not everywhere is infested like midwest
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But where did her Enlish majorness go to San Francisco from?
asciilifeform: just like not whole usa costs like tokyo, as the west does, or is full of politicos, as the east is
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nfi. this detail is not to be found in linked piece.
BingoBoingo: She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind. ☟︎
asciilifeform: dunno, looks like a wholly serviceable chik.
BingoBoingo: Not enough information to safely determine that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can always weigh her prior to assigning a berth
asciilifeform: no ?
BingoBoingo: O just make a snap judgment and pass. That CVS prolly at least has a hawt-ish cashier somewhere.
trinque: gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face ☟︎
asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, found spiffy game, http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100
trinque: It’s the assembly language programming game you never asked for! << lol
asciilifeform: 'I’ve since stopped using my heater. Have you ever slept fully clothed under several blankets just so you don’t get a cold and have to miss work? Have you ever drank a liter of water before going to bed so you could fall asleep without waking up a few hours later with stomach pains because the last time you ate was at work? I woke up today with stomach pains. I made myself a bowl of rice.' << wtf
asciilifeform: ^ what happened to BECOMING A PET ?
asciilifeform: chick is 25 yo ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is sorta like if you met a bloke who is starving, cold, etc. but has gold brick.
asciilifeform: that he won't part with.
asciilifeform: more so, even.
BingoBoingo: But how much does she eat at work?
deedbot: [Qntra] Former Governors Johnson And Weld Compose US Libertarian Party Ticket - http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/#comment-60104
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/#comment-60105
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474108 << how do you mean, trinque ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:08 trinque: gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face
asciilifeform: iirc you have a pet dog. how do you live with his 'sense of entitlement' to his food dish ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: has cats
ben_vulpes: or should i say
ben_vulpes: they have him
asciilifeform: ah so then.
asciilifeform: even more applicable.
asciilifeform: think of the gurl as a large bipedal cat.
BingoBoingo: But does girl slay mice?
asciilifeform: depends!
asciilifeform: how big are your mice. how strong - the cat.
asciilifeform: etc.
asciilifeform: and also your budget.
asciilifeform: for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i think the 'entitlement' to which trinque refers is a specific set of attitudes common to 'millenials'.
ben_vulpes: a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Anyways if mice are too big, blast the cat with some Tren. Cat is just a smaller racehorse that's already clued in on protein.
trinque: ben_vulpes: left the cats with ex but yes
trinque: precisely that.
ben_vulpes: but at 18, 22, it was less onerous
ben_vulpes: also i had all the time in the world
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can haz detailz?
asciilifeform: and what is this 'millenial disease' thing, i'm not convinced that it is a thing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'tikkun olam'
asciilifeform: the judaic 'build the world' thing ?
asciilifeform: explain?
ben_vulpes: healing the world
ben_vulpes: that the world cannot be made better
ben_vulpes: that the socialist call for us all to put our shoulders to the grindstone to make the world a better place only taxes those who work to benefit those who don't
ben_vulpes: that i care not one whit to spread my meager energy across the vast faceless mass of other people, but would rather concentrate it on these few that i actually like
asciilifeform: what sort of women was ben_vulpes's friend turning up ?
ben_vulpes: "if we all just X then the world would be better!"
ben_vulpes: "solve poverty!"
ben_vulpes: "end global warming"
ben_vulpes: "stop corporations"
ben_vulpes: endemic us braindamage
asciilifeform: young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere. ☟︎
trinque: I work 30hrs a week doing something not economically useful yet bitch to my Yelp CEO that I am not paid a 'living wage' in a city ever less hospitable to life generally
trinque: economically, environmentally, so on
trinque: but whatever, I am "working" so deserve "living"
trinque: because I am here ☟︎
trinque: asciilifeform: sure that is so
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i enjoy the company of adults, not children ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: that was the mega-mystery in the linked article
trinque: I do not wish to deprogram them of their muhammed
asciilifeform: trinque: i, for instance, hesitate to set foot in san fran even as tourist !
ben_vulpes: who've seen, experienced, breathed
asciilifeform: trinque: because expensive and because why.
asciilifeform: trinque: what's the alternative? only date chix born and raised in #t ?
trinque: the fact that these people are literally sucking california dry is no wonderment to me
trinque: asciilifeform: fucking hell yeah.
trinque: :D
asciilifeform: lel
trinque: chick I'm seeing actually you know, likes men
ben_vulpes: keep sifting through the haystack, apparently.
trinque: and didn't have to be taught to
trinque: my dating strategy up til meeting her was to reject early, reject often
asciilifeform: eh iirc mircea_popescu flies these in and reprogramms them to spec in days. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (using various whippy, stretchy hardware)
ben_vulpes: did you just proffer a pineapple?
asciilifeform: broomstick!111
ben_vulpes: "on dirigible, there is fantastic seat!"
asciilifeform: hey, when the man is asleep ~somebody~'s gotta proffer the pineapple!111 ☟︎
ben_vulpes: he enjoys the reprogramming.
trinque: no problem with bdsm here but it's entirely not my thing.
ben_vulpes: i like machines that work out of the box.
trinque: ^
ben_vulpes: lord knows i don't get that at $dayjob
phf: none do, a working machine ~always~ has signs of its master's works ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: yeah, like its parents...
ben_vulpes: i have tuned this mill to my liking.
ben_vulpes: it took quite some time.
ben_vulpes: i would rather cut metal than spend my days tuning lathes.
trinque: that one can reprogram them doesn't invalidate the fact that having to do so is a sign that your culture's not producing functioning adults
ben_vulpes: yes, requires ongoing tuning.
ben_vulpes: but not assembly from scratch and full bed truement.
ben_vulpes: also i regularly go out of spec
asciilifeform: trinque: the last time the west produced functioning adults was prolly pre-ww2.
asciilifeform: and most of'em died.
trinque: plenty of kids raised with ass whippings in texas still
asciilifeform: as if that were the only item.
phf: ass whipped because don't love jesus enough? ;)
trinque: yes, I can be a contrarian too.
trinque: :P
trinque: on that subject, asciilifeform fix your feed or stop bitching
trinque: the ID is supposed to be unique
asciilifeform: trinque: unique how
asciilifeform: monotonically increasing ?
trinque: just one string of whatever per entry in feed
trinque: in RSS it's actually called GUID
asciilifeform: trinque: care to hazard a guess why it works 100% on kako's feed ?
trinque: because he is not relying on the ID field being unique to determine whether he's seen an entry
asciilifeform: and you are ? why ?
trinque: because the spec says it's unique
phf: i wrote a bunch of rss tooling and dealing with non-unique ids is a bitch. i usually hash entry for entries with blank ids, and return that as key.
phf: but you also have to account of all kinds of other spec violations. like having non-blank ids that are also non-unique
asciilifeform: the whole pile of shit is loathesome
asciilifeform: or, for instance, the fact that datetime has NO DEFAULT string representation
phf: or my favorite, ids that follow some magical internal logic
asciilifeform: or any of it
deedbot: [Qntra] Microsoft, Google, And Facebook Partner With EU On Censorship Effort - http://qntra.net/2016/05/microsoft-google-and-facebook-partner-with-eu-on-censorship-effort/
phf: asciilifeform: apropos, i remained surprised you reject naggum's suggestion to iso everywhere
asciilifeform: phf: i reject breaking working shit for no reason.
phf: so your rants only apply to log, and not universally?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: and in several different ways.
asciilifeform: for instance, i used to be able to read the log by hitting 'reload' ☟︎
asciilifeform: and now i can't.
asciilifeform: for no good reason that i know of.
asciilifeform: will prolly end up writing own log viewer, at this rate.
asciilifeform: my notion of what proper log is seems to be screamingly in conflict with phf's.
asciilifeform: which is fine. it will be good to have 2.
phf: it's not, you're just impatient and short fused
asciilifeform: that also.
phf: reload particularly needs to be fixed, and it's perhaps 5 lines of code, but requires dropping one large context, and lifting another to do it intentionally. as is whatever fixes done to log str result of background radiation noise like effects of my brain, "i suddenly remember relevant bits, and here's the solution, go write it down"
trinque: phf: right, I would prefer not to account for spec violations
trinque: as per "not breaking shit that works"
trinque: obviously here I'm just using some guy's python rss module; while I can go break that to behave, not what I prefer
asciilifeform: trinque: i implemented as per your recipe, it ought to work now ?
trinque: I'll make no argument that RSS is sane, only that it has a definition
trinque: asciilifeform: yes
trinque: ID field will be unique per new RSS entry?
asciilifeform: aha.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5152364623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten <outten@kerner.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5391673272318505738681 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lou Anschuetz <lou@ece.cmu.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BE6D699C631055360A2B55CD6AAEBAAC1C91F872E97936AC73A1790F694079B
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6433499730848081819420299501665455 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (GnuPG) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital <shavital@netvision.net.il>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 18304605847198678287025017798807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Torsten Ennenbach <torsten.ennenbach@set-sign.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 425857281888973630681646539592035 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert J. Hansen; Robert J. Hansen <rjh@sixdemonbag.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/308C79ED32BB1D28E5F59EC4ADB2E56B1ED16614D3B4C737238FC3D169AF94B0
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1053324101 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Niel Ambroz <niel.ambroz@ucw.cz>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4414C79945FFC7B74189D650F0F50DE2A2091A0B09A532FBF63726E52980316
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 966294365422826766871777762130727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4046866294898554649891 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC
asciilifeform: i made it a hash of everything including epochal time.
asciilifeform: let the barf flow.
trinque: lol
trinque: ty
BingoBoingo awaits hash collision
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of hashes in there to collide
asciilifeform: e.g., the gpgkey hash
trinque: life is pain (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: i never really liked the idea of a hash. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is a dodge.
asciilifeform: a device based largely on wishful thinking.
asciilifeform: eventually all interesting hashes will collide (have collided)
asciilifeform: when the process is sped up artificially we call it a break,
asciilifeform: but how is blind luck collision less of a problem ?
asciilifeform: this is 'minsky's dark room' all over again. ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: couldn't you use an argument of a similar form to say that e.g. AES depends on luck? (2^256 keyspace of luck, for example..)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: not only it does, but likewise has unknown weak key space
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you weren't here for the 'symmetric crypto other than otp is snake oil' thread. get thee to the logz.
Framedragger: aha, then i guess you don't really enjoy the fact that gpg uses aes for session key actually? :) ☟︎
Framedragger: oh man
Framedragger: so much opinion
asciilifeform: Framedragger: quite certainly no one enjoys.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it isn't an opinion, it is a statement of iron fact, like 2+2==4.
Framedragger: 2+2==4 only holds under boring algebras
asciilifeform: not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart. ☟︎
Framedragger: *runs*
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-02#1394086 << start of the conversation ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-02 15:58 ascii_butugychag: anybody got a favourite symmetric cipher, incidentally ?
Framedragger: i'll take a look, thanks..
asciilifeform: Framedragger: also we had http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-04#1396562 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-04 19:27 deedbot-: [Trilema] B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition - http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/
asciilifeform: (see also contextual thread)
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, you could also just put an incrementing integer in there.
asciilifeform: trinque: wouldn't work.
asciilifeform: because i would have to save it somewhere
asciilifeform: and never lose it
trinque: the phuctoring events don't have an ID on your end?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: they only have the bare essentials, a what and a when.
asciilifeform: i could, say, shit out the index used by the db internally - but then i'd be married to that db
asciilifeform: and wtf why omfg.
asciilifeform: retarded wwwisms.
asciilifeform: also why the fuck should i reveal to world where and in what order shit is in my db.
phf: ( asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/ )
asciilifeform: phf: spiffy, appears to work !
asciilifeform: ty phf .
phf: yw
phf: more bitching on my part than actual work. literally two lines..
asciilifeform: very neat. srsly.
trinque: fap
trinque makes phone bookmark
phf: can also do #eob to get to end of page
phf: makes the whole last=> redundant, since it'll always be http://btcbase.org/log/#eob
asciilifeform: ~now~ we're cookin'!
phf: i got rid of last=> and added "log" link to search bar, that takes you to /log/ as convenience, which also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457428 speak now or.. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 19:25 pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
asciilifeform likes phf's l0gz as they now appear.
asciilifeform: my 1 remaining wishlist item would be something like a nightly (weekly?) tarball of the whole log shebang.
asciilifeform: supposing phf ever has the time to make such a thing.
phf: kk
trinque: I'd use the same to deed teh logz
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160531005770/en/Time-Confirms-Breach-Myspace << for yer lulz collection
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ^ I was gonna do a Qntra on that since it ties into my last article on teh guy, but lazy today.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: write it up
shinohai: may as well BingoBoingo hang tite
BingoBoingo: You've got time
BingoBoingo: brb
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/NjF
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq << lightly massaged.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: How cool is that Hanno Böck dude ? << bwahahaha
shinohai: https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/737786025750200320 <<< no WoT needed. mircea_popescu has mislead us all /s
shinohai: Judging from the flurry of messages I'm getting I think I triggered someone. ☟︎