ben_vulpes digs briefly through logs, finds only old sads
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the two-diode crackpottery is definitely a favorite of mine
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: pile_of_cement: Do you have any luggage recommendations for rackmount boxes?
BingoBoingo: Does airline treat this as a bag or a something else
BingoBoingo: And if wrapped in nylon and strapped together in 70 lb units, still bags?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra would work fine as a vps off your vps machine im sure.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cool. Mega opteron VPS box it is.
BingoBoingo: davout: Freight happens later as "household", that way duty free.
davout: you'd need to actually move yourself for that to be an option, no?
davout: aok, hence the .br residence permit talks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Depends on what I call the computer. Uruguay however has actual charts.
BingoBoingo: davout: And hence not Brazil parallel search becoming very attractive. Brazil is slow. Anyways the reason BingoBoingo has been condensing physical plant is that there are many compelling anti-reasons to operate ISP in US.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7419.67, vol: 24758.34621988 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7380.0, vol: 97961.33501621 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7426.5, vol: 6258.26612398 | Volume-weighted last average: 7389.8712454
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 00:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra would work fine as a vps off your vps machine im sure.
ben_vulpes: in other news, vancouver washington elected a dead man to city council
BingoBoingo: Prolly not going that small. Qntra may get own box E350 or similar AMD
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More than that less than 1 GB. Document dumps and pictures, etc
BingoBoingo will likely leave 1/2" drive socket kit behind
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 00:46 asciilifeform: asciilifeform likewise will have a rail car's worth of goodies to liquidate
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> we had a shit 90s << My fambly poor. Grew up with bullshit Funk & Wagnalls
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 17:29 asciilifeform: asciilifeform had a 1958 'britannica', made in usa, that he fished out of a dumpster as a boy. it was superb, as far as encyclopaedia goes, about on par with famous большая советская энциклопедия . but today it lives packed in a crate.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, simply buy them passage in a container. though that more reasonable when going to kekistans, i guess
ben_vulpes: i'm currently reevaluating my own exit timeline; project tinyhuman did not go particularly well this time through
ben_vulpes: somewhere i can launch autonomous subs under cover of learning to surf
ben_vulpes: bits of rural costa rica look nice, was briefly looking at chile before i realized i'd probably end up at the same miserable latitude
ben_vulpes: this is possible! but i would muchly like to trade number of hours in longest summer day for...more summer days.
ben_vulpes: arstan had thicker rain than portland, but i heard that it was not the soul-killing constant grey fog.
ben_vulpes: oh also chilean ocean is fucking cold, forgot that criteria
ben_vulpes: i've lived near cold bodies of water my whole life, have no insulation, and i would like to get in warm water on a whim
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform must have mondo bathtub with wavegenerator
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where i'm from there's a layer of maybe 6 inches of warm water in the summer
ben_vulpes: you know i have objected to skinny dipping more and more of late on the grounds that i will get cold and grumpy within five minutes so why don't you just strip and get in and i'll make a fire up here and catcall
ben_vulpes: great excuse to buy mega truck in saturated american market of mildly depreciated truck
mircea_popescu: personally went across the whole thing in a day. quite doable. especially if going at night. locals are pretty nuts with the timings, crowd within the same hours, are apparently petrified of driving at night
trinque: girl and I are looking seriously at singapore
☟︎ trinque: but I also have an accountant with thai wife, citizenship
trinque: guy might be able to help there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by that logic costa rica is oil-fried flour-kingdom.
trinque: diameter of accountant suggests he's finding something to get fat on over there
trinque: haven't, but it's on the list
ben_vulpes: dunno why land ownership is such an important
trinque: as far as land ownership, not too sure how much I want to marry a piece of real estate anyway.
ben_vulpes: chair not really burdened with pretentions of asset classhood
ben_vulpes: lol mhm, just this month i had the gutters cleaned, various blinds replaced, wiring performed and all at zero cost to self
ben_vulpes would rather make terrible noises on the guitar than gentoo fucking houses
ben_vulpes: pay commensurately less, get commensurately less.
ben_vulpes: orc landlord also ain't gonna object to actual improvements.
trinque: it's the kind of work that stays behind, too
ben_vulpes: fwiw this house came complete with cat5 in every room
trinque: oughta do it somewhere you can see yourself staying, or do without. or so the logic goes
☟︎ trinque: my ancestors chose the states rashly in the 40s, look where that got them
trinque: went from wealthy italian folks doing italian things to more or less "people of walmart" in 2 generations. lack of options doesn't excuse that.
trinque: still, came to america, the air dissolved their wot, wot died
trinque: they had a great time in prohibition; where are they now?
trinque: tell you where, shitty real estate in florida with hair on their backs
trinque: owning franchises and shit
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 02:36 asciilifeform: unlikely to get this level of service from orc landlord, unless you're mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i say tis all in teh relationships. otherwise, ownership is illusory.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 02:39 asciilifeform: orc landlord aint building optic cablimg,
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 02:40 trinque: oughta do it somewhere you can see yourself staying, or do without. or so the logic goes
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 02:41 asciilifeform: where would you rather they had gone in 40s , lol
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> bits of rural costa rica look nice, was briefly looking at chile before i realized i'd probably end up at the same miserable latitude << The problem with Chile is poor internet transit capacity.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> neither is a toyota's worth of orcland << Toyota's worth of orland in Thailand will lack any centrality
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the lulzy tim swanson has a blog, on which he uses trilema notes, and derps insistently. i'm taking a bet nobody ever heard of it.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-12 02:19 TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work
mircea_popescu: anyway. mildly amusing that in 2017 rando still don quixoting with the same windmills as in 2014. who knows, maybe if he wastes his ENTIRE life at this, "how he thinks normal debates work" will matter.
mircea_popescu: anything but suck the cock of your betters, it is teh modernity after all, french revolution relevant 4evar!!1
mircea_popescu: and in other "god fucking damn it", i used coffee grinder to grind down some clavo de olor, which was so fucking juicy and fresh it ACTUALLY DISSOLVED the god damned plastic.
mircea_popescu: ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 02:18 trinque: girl and I are looking seriously at singapore
deedbot: concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: shinohai did it come alive at night and fuck their wife ?
shinohai: Likely, so "we gotta make sure and ban you 'muricans from these 80 hotels, just to be sure"
mircea_popescu: sooo obama lifted all-cuba ban, to be enforced instead on a hotel-by-hotel basis ?
mircea_popescu: i can almost see the local charge d'affaires, "if you don't get taller hookers ima have your hotel del ray added to index!"
concernedscaling: Hi everyone. I'm trying to make sense of all this scale talk and I want to keep my BTC safe. My first mistake is probably getting information from twitter and redditard. We have Dr Craig W going on (and quite convincing) about BCash being the real bitcoin as it is able to scale like satoshis vision. However, this makes no sense to me considerin
concernedscaling: g it was a fork (it's like Litecoin in my mind, which "scales" as well). But even more concerning is Bitcoin with segwit, and my current BTC on this upgraded protocol. I have not seen much talk about these issues in here lately, is there a reason for this? It seems like most are underestimating the threat of this fake bcash and segwit.
davout: concernedscaling: i don't think there's much to be said about this whole "issue" that wasn't said in 2014/2015
mircea_popescu: the stubborn insistence of the "reading public" to read old newspapers is very much the chief ideological point of the journalist "profession", as it keeps them in print.
concernedscaling: Thanks. I guess I am just trying to make sense of all of this, and couldnt find it in the logs. Instead of bcash forking from bitcoin, what was stopping them from just mining and rejecting segwit transactions on the the real BTC?
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling do you know what happens when you divide by 0 ?
mircea_popescu: hm. problem might have been larger than originally thought.
mircea_popescu: right. so this is also the problem here : you keep trying to make sense of the situation left after a division by 0.
mircea_popescu: you see some labels, and take out your chinese set, and lay out the pawns, these red ones to label1, these blue ones to label2 etcetera
mircea_popescu: this is not the real situation. bitcoin exists. "bitcoin cahs" DOES NOT EXIST. the various people that talk about things similarily do not exist.
concernedscaling: At what point can the real bitcoin continue to mutate until something bad happens
mircea_popescu: you ever seen one of those old toyota trucks people deleted bits off so they read YO ?
mircea_popescu: has toyota "mutated" or wtf is the argument here. aftermarket modifications are marginal by their fucking definition. the people involved wouldn't be involved otherwise.
mircea_popescu: conceivably someone somewhere modified his bitcoin client to read "Hakked by CooLbOy" and recompiled. this is mutation now ?
concernedscaling: haha, I see. I do remember max keiser, and I see him still very involved in the bitcoin scene to this day
mircea_popescu: yes, in the strictest of senses, the obscure masturbatory activities of desocialized youths "exist". but they do not socially exist, and for a very good reason : they're asocial to begin with.
mircea_popescu: old will was right, "the world's a stage". what he omitted to point out is that the hall only goes a yard whereas the stage goes on for miles. out of the building, and into the mists.
deedbot: concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.
concernedscaling: Thanks, I will try and not get caught up in the shit that doesnt really matter
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling why not make yourself a pgp key and reg with deedbot at that ?
concernedscaling: a cesspool of ideas and spam, just a tool for controlling people. The fighting about core vs bcash vs seg2x vs miners vs blahblah is entertaining. Sad that I need to take part to see how the market reacts
concernedscaling: I don't want to underestimate the dumb money being thrown around. I dont want all of these idiot users to crash my BTC holdings because some fake satoshi is spewing political nonsense on redditard/twitter to control people.
concernedscaling: "Moreover, my budget to sink this scam exceeds the budget of everyone involved on the supporting side"
mircea_popescu: there have been a lot of these pies in the sky to be concerned about to date, huh.
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling for my curiosity, if you were to calculate the total hours you spent with " I need to take part to see how the market reacts" to date, what'd it come to ?
concernedscaling: You know, it's actually pretty strange. I just buy and hold, but given the substantial amount of money, I rely on being current with the bullshit going on, because I chose to not underestimate the power of the idiots and how much harm it can do
davout: "sinking fake bitcoins" actually yields *more* bitcoins to further sink other fake bitcoins
mircea_popescu: ok, but put out a figure. how many man hours does the concern take a year ?
mircea_popescu: so since 2014 let's say, since you recall keyser, we could say you spent about 2k hours, or a full year's workhours, on this.
mircea_popescu: how many hours did you spend building a bitcoin something ?
mircea_popescu: like, a logotron is maybe a day's work to stand up and then maybe a hour monthly to maintain and such.
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling well... i'd say you have good cause to be concerned then.
mircea_popescu: why not split work and axiety more evenly ? 100% to anxiety seems a poor strategy.
deedbot: Guest44578 voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: If you need any help or get stuck, ping me or sing out here in chan. Someone will be happy to assist.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 15:01 concernedscaling: can you sink it already?
shinohai: But how else will I know what the ants are doing?
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling the generator is ambitious idiots. they don't "feel" their current social station is befitting for one such as them ; but they ALSO don't "feel" like they should have to do what has to be done.
mircea_popescu: from this search of "the easier way" by people stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the workable from the unworkable, the scam ever emerges.
mircea_popescu: in any population the majority will be insufficient, and therefore readily converge towards somesuch nonsense.
mircea_popescu: so basically speaking, for as long as the women will keep getting pregnant the schoolteachers will still have work to do.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 05:05 mircea_popescu: ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.
mircea_popescu: o wow look at that, it's actually done ~in emulsion~. i had nfi.
mircea_popescu: i'll stand by it : this then means that teflon is only marginally at best a plastic.
mircea_popescu: apparently it can be formulated so as to dissolve in dmf/dma etc
mircea_popescu: now, it';d be nice if you could buy BRONZE interior. not fucking electrolysed, but SOLID. nevertheless, it is apparently usg-forbidden to use actual materials.
mircea_popescu: let the dumps contain 1000 plastic re-instantiations of the same god damned object, what if i could afford to pay 3x the price and leave it to my grandkids.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform locally, i expect it does. high speed granules etc.
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with a chunk of fucking bronze, 100 grams or so, for the inner housing.
mircea_popescu: reason i even know "cuisinart" is that they used to make metal tools. except stopped.
mircea_popescu: needs fine powder and too juicy to grind well in mortar so give it a shot.
mircea_popescu: yes, but general solution for this (salt) not usable. and i don't eat enough sugar for that alternative + i don't eat the white hygroscopic kind
mircea_popescu: so wait, i got really good clovges and ima put them into a "make-them-like-the-walmart-ones" tool ?
shinohai: Yeah, 0 plastic parts. Had the thing like 5 years now
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. and evidently making it right doesn't make it more expensive, 25 bux is what all cost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't think of it. actually, had 0 expectation i'd end up with a dissolved-and-recombined surface of the inside of the thing, from smooth to matte.
mircea_popescu: the sadness of "modern technology" is that it fails miserably at things that aren't THAT technologically advanced.
mircea_popescu: takes a lot of effort to reproduce today the kitchen of 1880 middle class polish housewife.
shinohai: asciilifeform: perfect for that bourgeois blend
mircea_popescu: the tub has no drain an' erryone looks pretty drained.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform drain does 100m drop over a mile, calculate the force a column of water puts upon it, obtain higher value than kitchen garbage disposal unit applies
mircea_popescu: not the kind that turn dishes green, i'd have imagined ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the burrs are steel in mine
mircea_popescu: of course, inexplicably it's all written in french, "pour usage domestique" etc.
ben_vulpes: ah well yeah, especially the bladed models are going to produce lots of high velocity particles
ben_vulpes: a burr grinder has nested conical grinding faces; spacing between which controls ground finenes
ben_vulpes: also, blade pulverizes, burr shears. better extraction with the latter method.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually "short" snake is flexible enough to go through toilet water trap deliberately for this reason.
ben_vulpes: why, when the burr grinder is an excellent solution
mircea_popescu: he has a point, i hadn't thought of that. exactly like pepper mill, have two cones in each other, adjustable distance.
ben_vulpes: also burr grinder does not cook the coffee while grinding it, ever notice how the bladed model leaves the grounds...warm?
ben_vulpes: not really possible to exist without producing waste heat either
mircea_popescu: but it is possible to use a cone plane instead of a 1dimensional blade
ben_vulpes: but what, give up, sacrifice all efficiency because there's always more gas down the road?
mircea_popescu: in retrospect seems a lot like not having a knife, "cutting bread on this veg peeler is so hard"
ben_vulpes: or maybe just maybe have a care for the final product and take minimal steps to minimize pre-cooking out of volatiles
mircea_popescu: no dude, "having gone to school" tech as opposed to "i heard on youtube" tech
ben_vulpes: "i don't know much, but i paid attention in materials and machine design while everyone else was browsing facebook and copying homework out of the solution guide"
mircea_popescu: communist consumer might have not been the end-all be-all, i find myself sometimes suspecting.
mircea_popescu: strangely there seem to be some extant records where he himself thinks the same!
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 14:18 mircea_popescu: " “The Saudi’s will not be able to link the S-400 with Saudi’s current (US and Europe-sourced) infrastructure, nor will they be able to connect the S-400 with US systems." << says who the everloving fuck.
mircea_popescu: ~only reason the saudis even bought the crap in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the rocketry chips are made in like vermont at considerable expense
mircea_popescu: performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the chinese have teh manpower to do it, if organized.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me, euroZONE is the perfect word for it, isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ARE looking for weaknesses. there's a reason usg lost south china sea.
mircea_popescu will use this henceforth to distinguish the item from europe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so let me get this straight : you think beta loves his cock cage because "no balls", and NOT because "small cock" ? these are somehow different ?
mircea_popescu: they had plenty of balls in 1990, if memory serves. even bombed belgrade.
mircea_popescu: so the balls and the penis are related ? i thought so!
mircea_popescu: they've no balls cuz they've no penis and vice versa, and ultimately because no testosterone so every bit of soy sauce they pick up from environment makes the titties sag a little hurtlier.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:51 mircea_popescu: performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.
mircea_popescu: noyhing better than a door protected by 8 flawed locks.
mircea_popescu: would matter a lot more if the us actually used crypto.
mircea_popescu: somehow crypto discipline is impossible for military staffs. except for the okw, everyone has trouble with it, be the soviets talking to sub base or the ustards talking totheir "socialites" or w/e they call the tired old bags.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why or wherefore, it's about as counterintuitive as the coy behaviour in females.
mircea_popescu: to explain ourselves : the coy behaviour is defined as the spurious pretense of sexual disinterest put forth by a universally-interested machine ; and it is counterproductive because while it does in fact increase (somewhat) the success with above-average value partners, it entirely ruins any perpsective of success with the highest value partners. that this may (arguable, and i doubt it) sum to positive over a larege populati
mircea_popescu: on fails to overshadow the fact that individually speaking if you're going to sink nine months of blood + three of fat into the project, you totally fucking want the very very best available.
mircea_popescu: now, the generals are similar : for the benefit of "oh, it's directly readable" they lose out on the all-important, paramount consideration, "but not by the enemmy"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the logical conclusion would be to say old men revert into dysfunctional womanhood.
mircea_popescu: "sack all o10 and over that no longer have a supermodel mistress"
mircea_popescu: it's inexplicable, to me at least, how virility is not part of the army qualifying list, btw. "this dude does not look hot naked and therefore can no longer be an army general. retired." seems perfectly mandatory for a fucking army.
mircea_popescu: well... military men. it's like a profession. if your tax accountant sucks at go that doesn't necessarily disqualify him from his line of work.
ben_vulpes: at least in usg, "fighting readiness" is both sexist and racist
ben_vulpes: modern infantryman sits, pimply snowden, driving 'big dog' from same
ben_vulpes: predator and phriendz seem to work fine, so long as nobody's spoofing gps
deedbot: ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: who are you and what brings you by, ang-st ?
ang-st: a random conversation in the internet
ang-st: so i thought i might idle for a while, see what's going on
ang-st: ok i prefer grep than talking so, it will be fine
ang-st: i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout
☟︎ ang-st: ben_vulpes: you're not on that channel and i guess it's priv8
ben_vulpes: eyy davout what is this character going on about
ben_vulpes: top seekrit irc channels omg how speshul
ben_vulpes: oh its some shambling modern browser monstrosity?
ang-st: kind of electon based client
ben_vulpes: ang-st: kinda exactly what i just said
ben_vulpes: what, you think electron isn't fifteen packaged browsers?
ang-st: fitfteen .... juste one chromium
ben_vulpes: ang-st: the other day i observed 'slack' fail to inline a 7.4 meg gif because its authors are who they are
ang-st: you can problaly fail it in many way
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where they show an image in the chat based on its link
ang-st: even get a bounty if you're that kind of guy :)
ben_vulpes: you know, the sort of thing that web pages do normally, but that js idiots can't figure out how to do
ang-st: you can have also perfect asshole in C
ben_vulpes: > because its authors are who they are
ang-st: i was about to says rust :)
ben_vulpes: gotta say, i've never seen the perfect asshole
ang-st: asciilifeform: i think you can grab a bunch that are pretty active
ben_vulpes: ang-st: anyways, the way this place works is that you register a gpg key with deedbot, and then maybe someone gives you provisional membership in the list of folks that can give themselves speaking privileges
ben_vulpes: good idea to do that sooner rather than later; provisional ratings are easy to come by for the newcomer who registers quickly, less so for the obstinate/self-important
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 20:01 asciilifeform: observe, the problem dun exist if you already have your own pyongyang and can happily put a megawatt station there and invite whoever objects, to pound sand up his arse
ben_vulpes: "and for as long as your citizens run free 802.* rebroadcasters, we're going to be utterly uninterdictable"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i absolutely understand
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 17:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack
mircea_popescu: but physically decrepit general, especially when no good disease excuse, is kinda like gouty priest. evidently -- not doing his job.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 17:34 asciilifeform: as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 17:43 ang-st: i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout
deedbot: F6859D5B0BD80C6F8B19A07DD64423DB580E6CFB registered as ang-st.
deedbot: ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: but yes, one'd fully expect pretend-sovereigns of the fiat ilk to arbitrarily assign themselves title in bitcoin. why the hell not, they've assinged themselves "representativity" of "society" and "justice" and "the environment" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: if all the "here's the usg-bitcoin, accept it in exchange" doesn't work as it hasn't with ripple/ethereum/bitcoin-core/crash/whatever, the only remaining avenue is the idly papal claim to "all the bitcoins".
mircea_popescu: of course, the original pope trying for this ended up going around barefoot in the snow to beg forgiveness.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a whole pile of "how could i reinterpret the world through my firmly held notions of biblical truth". this is nice and good, provided a large solid comedy goldmine for the whole 1800s, "darwinism debate" still ongoing in particularily protected corners of the swamp.
ben_vulpes: !!rate ang-st 1 apparently knows a good idea when he hears one
ben_vulpes: !!v C6181F2FC66C392C917F45AEF91C73BDF0CFF5E2D030A3D6BC3E760BA3618123
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated ang-st 1 << apparently knows a good idea when he hears one
davout: !!rate ang-st 1 didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes
davout: !!v 8F3CBEB97CA6214773072EEE5840B31547F40F9A85B2EA9C1C4D017E2ACF84F7
deedbot: davout rated ang-st 1 << didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes
ang-st: mircea_popescu: no we have our own AS, 2 kind of DC room a 10G line
ang-st: toulouse south of france
ang-st: well we have a true DC room, and an "assocative" one (as in french term association which stand for non profit org)
ang-st: mostly a room located in a legaluzed squat
mircea_popescu: any interest in getting a rack or two in a similar squat somewhere in the colonies, algerie, morocco, whatever ?
ang-st: well, that's kind of stuff that you might talk at #tetaneutral.net
mircea_popescu: also : any interest in moving your associates registration to the already existing and well developed deedbot WoT infrastrcture ? payments via same system, in bitcoin ?
ang-st: well i tried to push for bitcoin at some point, but didn't get many support
mircea_popescu: as it happens we're right in the middle of building republican infrastructure, in principle at least as to what meets the eye very similar to whart you have there.
ang-st: might work if most of our users were tech savy, but tbh the way it goes actually it would be a burden if mandatory or simply ignored beside some folks in any other cases
ang-st: well you might give a try :-)
mircea_popescu: ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense ; meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie the makers of the endless september, the " a burden if mandatory or simply ignored".
ang-st: but i think it's a bit early
mircea_popescu: ang-st early how do you mean ? i see it's >6 yo by now.
ang-st: how long beetween the seminal RSA paper and it's widespread use ?
mircea_popescu: i don't consider rsa was used until we started using it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna send one box on an adventure to these folk ?
ang-st: my point is crypto concept are still miles away from general public (and i consider most user of ttnn as general public)
mircea_popescu: ang-st my point, conversely, is that the general public is as human as the population of holstein cattle. nobody cares nor ever will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant you. name one, what was it ? opteron what ?
ang-st: sorry dunno the reference
ang-st: i feel that considering people as cow, or what ever, isn't a good way to make line move
ang-st: juste an easy way to feel "high level"
mircea_popescu: well, also a cheap explanation as to why there's "flat earth" believers to this day. but we digress.
mircea_popescu: ang-st say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v with the challenge string
mircea_popescu: ang-st so what'd it cost me for you folks to host 1 sealed box, containing an opteron 6376 as above, cool it and feed it its required wattage and bw ?
ang-st: needed some time to figure out otp stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah. worth it, esp if you keep your key secure, as perfect identity online.
ang-st: mircea_popescu: question@tetaneutral.net it you want to put a box there
mircea_popescu: working with the republic is entirely dependent on working ON republican methods.
ang-st: well consider them neighboor with different coutume :)
ben_vulpes: doesn't make the scytale an acceptable cipher
mircea_popescu recently went to limon, on the basis of one chick observing "Hey, most of the local girls we fuck are actually from limon! maybe check out the source ?" then couldn't find either an acceptable restaurant or hotel, so turned the capsule back and returned home.
mircea_popescu: limon is thereby a neighbourhood with a different coutume, which is to say eating huge platters of badly done teriyaki and thinking "hotel" is "i built some rooms atop the garage myself and will permit vagabonds to crash there".
ang-st: if it works for them, i'm fine with it, anyway i would not follow their architectural advises, that's it :)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 18:32 mircea_popescu: ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense ; meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,
ang-st: i would add, volunteer based and best effort support
ang-st: we alreeady forked as the structure was to big
ang-st: ie we mostly need volunteer no cash :)
mircea_popescu: ang-st protection from whatever soi-dissant "government" or whatever is not being contemplated at any point. what is being contemplated is not protecting the pretend-government itself from its own actions. so if it steals a box, that's fine, we shall say "the so and so illegitimate criminal gang stole so and so republican property" and that's that. no us-style "secrecy" is the whole story.
mircea_popescu: at this phase, interdicting the socialist mind's self-misrepresentations is quite sufficient.
mircea_popescu: also support is not sought, i don't think, if by support you mean manpower as opposed to you know, cooling. (if the latter, there's really 0 interest in a "best effort dc / someone's house".)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satellite node anyway, mostly there to judge the crowd than anything.
ang-st: well ..on isp side deploy wifi networks, on hosting/core network side admin stuff, some amdinstrative task, troll (or not) in irc, move to local event ...
ang-st: have lunch and beer sometime :)
mircea_popescu: ang-st most of those would be best recruited in a cafe in toulouse neh ? 80% or more of whatthey do being physical presence
ang-st: well ssh is marvellous but phy stuff of course
ang-st: event with a jet you can't be faster than a local motivated guy
mircea_popescu: sooo... it's not directly obvious how having money would increase teh volunteers 10fold ?
mircea_popescu: after all, the google "Volunteers" are there for the cafeteria.
mircea_popescu: ang-st incidentally, what happened on march 2015 ? pretty much broke the organisation, what was it, the usual "colectif socialiste" internal quarrel and split ? who left ?
ang-st: 2 different area, 2 different problematic and the wish to go "for profit" ie build a company on top, create billed jobs
mircea_popescu: so basically the more active folks took off and made their own corp ? is it still in business ?
ang-st: so org meeting, vote, next
ang-st: it deploy in a "zone blanche"
ang-st: area without broadband intenet
ang-st: so basically there are the only one here
ang-st: i you look my gpg metadata, you'll see me mentioned as cofounder elsewhere
ang-st: anyway there many people that are more involved than me in the project now
mircea_popescu: what metadata am i looking at, some email off digitalservice.group ?
ang-st: look a bit more than dns
ang-st: pretty ugly, almost robust, good to go on business
ang-st: well i have some not to be release numbers that would prove you wrong :)
☟︎ mircea_popescu has credible oak desk, can pound to satisfaction. improves the furnioture in the process
ben_vulpes: that is not a table, that is finely spun chineseium
ben_vulpes: sounds interesting, is that a commonly shared thing, the sources?
scriba: TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:09 asciilifeform: well, starting with the crown jewels , and down :
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 17:01 phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.
trinque: ah, had its own intel management engine eh?
mircea_popescu: (but -- very much yes. the reason "glories of the past" are glories of the past is that they were killed before grew teeth.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and on original facebook it was possible to yoy know, own your dribblings.
shinohai: I think I shall too ... depending on size I can likely put on btcinfo server
phf: asciilifeform: that's josh dersch, he's a seattle retro computing enthusiast. specifically he works on hardware restoration (including a symbolics) for paul alan's
http://www.livingcomputers.org, i've met him once or twice
mircea_popescu: oh, which reminds me, we were going to rent a machinem from some similarily located enthusiast's "museum"
mircea_popescu: but since we've done all the talking about it that could be done that's that, i take it ? nuts.
phf: i suspect the sources in question are just dumps from iso, i.e. the high level stuff. i'm positive that he doesn't have the bits that you actually want (i.e. the bedrock code)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 22:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance you check out this "people's comp museum" next seattle trip ?
ben_vulpes: haven't made it to seattle in quite some time, no
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 22:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D
ben_vulpes: was that predicated on stopping in at the vintage museum?
ben_vulpes: well i don't remember that happening, so i'm pretty sure that it didn't.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, erryone's going to continue in this "i will wait until the world conforms to my webpage and sends email according to my own bureaucratic misrepresentations" elliotism until they fall over.
mircea_popescu: the obvious similarity to the above-discussed coy behaviour entirely hush hush in the fem-bois.
mircea_popescu: "it works sorta-better for the above average and so what if i 100% miss out on the high sigma events!!!"
mircea_popescu: heck, i thought people pre-emptively replaced those anyway
mircea_popescu: nothing forces you to only change it after it explodes like carribean minds.
mircea_popescu: can change periodically, can change on the basis of heatmap...
mircea_popescu: modern toyota mtbf as measured on costa rica highway is ~6 months.
mircea_popescu: cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: guy on hill had cracks in support wall for months and months. built new wall after massive rain left with portion of his courtyard.
mircea_popescu: not before, god damned it, "waste" concrete on not-collapsed fence, it's uncatholic.
mircea_popescu: (and in lulz of all time : laid bricks in, leaving space to pour reinforced concrete pillars later. not the other way around. because... EASIER THIS WAY!!!)
mircea_popescu: "There's a gigantic error in the ad, yet to most people the ad is totally believable, like this is a hidden camera vid, this error is invisible to them; and if this error was corrected this ad would have never been possible. Do you see it? Why didn't one of these "men" just walk her to her car? Three guys, not one thought of this? She's under your umbrella and your natural instinct was not to protect, to help? So wrap
mircea_popescu: ped up in what it all means and power imbalances that you couldn't just... behave? Ok, forget about chivalry-- out of sheer selfishness, a hail mary longshot? Sure, no expectations, but what the hell, let's see where it goes, maybe she'll ask you out for a Guinness? Were you so insulted by her "entitlement" that you couldn't just try? Or so flustered because a woman that you have stripped of her ordinary humanity and forc
mircea_popescu: ed her to be a symbol of value chose to be near you, your brain couldn't figure out what to do next? In which case her decision to leave you for another umbrella was astutely correct, odd how she and the commercial knew that. All men are good for is an umbrella because she cannot rely on men to act like... men."
mircea_popescu: the whole time im sitting there going "Wtf why not just walk her to her god damned car, all this management for 10 steps, what are these dudes, planets moving by immutable laws ?!"
mircea_popescu: but they fucking are. can not act. gotta elliot. "WHY NONE OF THESE GIRLS TALK TO ME!!1" "did you talk to them ?"
mircea_popescu: "i need uber for someone else's bored dad to take me to ballet practice ; this is muchly preferable to talking to my own."
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:19 asciilifeform: there are other fluoroplastics , that are easier to work / other desirable parameters tweaked
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:23 asciilifeform: surgical steel would also work
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thinks this is "technology" ?! it's not fucking technology, it's elaborate psycho-orthopedics.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 mircea_popescu: so buy a snake, big whoop. 20 bux at BingoBoingo 's store.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 asciilifeform: but you also gotta be able and willing to lift the throne ( old houses in usa have no cleanplug ) etc.
mircea_popescu: but ballas' point is fundamentally sound : the "fridge logic" moment on ~the absence of which~ the whole multi-mn attempt rests is... it WILL NOT occur to you to propose to her.
mircea_popescu: anything, no matter the circumstances, whitebread ustard can be RELIED ON not to do.
ben_vulpes: only a terrorist would proposition a woman
mircea_popescu: weird, cuz the majority of terrorists are beta male rejects in their originating society.
mircea_popescu: girls there put out ~on par with any other girls ; but the future terrorist DOES NOT ASK because, just like every other eventual elliot, DOES NOT PERCEIVE he might.
mircea_popescu: because whatever, "his daddy';s not rich enough". honey we can't afford another kid, as if THAT is how it goes.
mircea_popescu: get this : arab 30yos with no wealth (sheep, camels, women) and no prospects, fascinated by eg chet (happenstantially i was the definitive arab world aspirational immage, young man with older white woman in tow) talked TO ME about it. not to her.
mircea_popescu: nope, not at all. more like "what bands do you like", in the transparently/invisible hopes that if got right, who knows, maybe has a chance IN A DISTANT AND ABSENT FUTURE
mircea_popescu: what the beta boi wants from the inadvertent oracle is ... a score.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the "uber repressive" society i had no problem checking out the women's tits while they breastfed, as an act of public intimacy, to not discuss private intimacy. cuz i DIDN'T ask -- not their "owner" males, and generally no one.
mircea_popescu: the pinnacle of this being that at one point in the subway -- gender segregated, you get it ? -- we got in the first car (women only!!) which made the gals chuckle and teh guys get REALLY bothered, one car over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one allah keeps in his fate compartment for him, da fuck do i know. the problem with masturbators is that the imago must not gain carnality.
mircea_popescu: "she's no longer hot! why does she have an abdominal fold ??" "cuz she's a woman" "that's not what i saw on bangbros" "yes, well, they only film some angles"
deedbot: shinohai has not rated whaack.
shinohai: !!rate whaack 1 we did spanish stuff. #trilema
shinohai: !!v 8EC99BF711E7CE3F30D74C32199A4EB21C8FBF10DB602AF13F9D6DA97420DCD9
deedbot: shinohai rated whaack 1 << we did spanish stuff. #trilema
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck would rub penis scent on himself ?" "a woman" "and who else ?"
shinohai: If yer gonna sell penis scent, you target traps and fags
mircea_popescu: everyone else, either has it or knows where to get it.
mircea_popescu: in which vein, "why does this place smell of dick ?!" "i farted."
ben_vulpes: now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?
☟︎ trinque: "be the change you want to see" !
ben_vulpes: aha but ho damn also louis ck now purged from hollywoo as well
trinque: lol always with the "and then he started jacking off in front of me!"
trinque: fat cuck whose whole routine amounts to "dude guys not cool" and feigning exasperation from pantsuit perspective
trinque: so, of course wanted to wet his diaper in front of women or w/e
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 22:21 ben_vulpes: now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?
mircea_popescu: the national bird of costa rica is some kind of thrush. he's splendid, bright yellow and things. and his call is like teep-te-deep. teep-teep.
mircea_popescu: very fucking hysterical. so i mocked it, and it... ANSWERED!
ben_vulpes: nah asciilifeform moar like "step forward with allegations against $senator, get btc if they withdraw. first 5 to <strike>draw on their tits</strike> get documented media exposure get a bitcent
ben_vulpes: who would be dumb enough to blow btc emplacing $box at $location either
ben_vulpes: promise from nobody worth nothing, promise backed by the republic worth more than anything dnc can ever offer.
ben_vulpes: who would ever pay a dollar in ddos to cost someone ten, while on the topic
ben_vulpes: not even a matter of publishing dirt, wapo has decreed that actual dirt is immaterial, accusations are all that matter.
ben_vulpes: quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: reasoning from first principles is racist, etc
ben_vulpes: when the pantsuit controlled twitter and instagram, this might have been so
ben_vulpes: times and wapo etc now quiver in fear of not being fast enough on the trigger with the allegations.
ben_vulpes: well they did give up on the verification play today
ben_vulpes: allll you gotta do is find a further out-there minority or 'oppressed person', and everyone will race to validate their lived experience. trend has been towards this for years, don't know how you don't see it.
ben_vulpes: ~"you matter, and what happened to you is important"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.