mircea_popescu has never lived in a place with smoke detectors. is a good life.
mod6: wait, are you building your own geiger alf?
mod6: and KCl =~ Potassium Chloride?
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they sell that, btw, considering how easy it is to kill someone with it.
mircea_popescu: not even detectable unless someone's looking specifically.
mod6: yeah, dont they use that stuff for leathal injections?
mircea_popescu: anyway. im terrible idea for SECURE comms. because you leak time if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: if you want to communicate securely, reg your key and pastebin encrypted stuff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even if it did, the way in which it is ductaped to the whole shebang is more important in the end.
mod6: hello, this is dog!
mod6: just install jabber and talk to the dog, w00f!
ben_vulpes: i grew up on prayer rugs quite like it
ben_vulpes: palpable difference between that which came from grandpa's estate and the fresh purchases.
mod6: im in the wrong locale.
mod6: i just killed the first ones of the year, last weekend. which is pretty insane for Minnesota to have mosquitos /already/.
mod6: I had my revenge though.
mod6: It snowed on very early Tuesday morning and killed the SOBs.
mircea_popescu: i haven't yet seen one. or i think i might've seen one, that may also have been a misidentified wasp
mircea_popescu: the variety of wasps they have here is staggering. i got TWO kinds nesting, one's a perfectly harmless paper wasp, they eat the polen off a vine growing ion the fence. the other's a mud hut building guy, i think he eats spiders. then a third really fearsome type showed up evidently praying on the first type... then later a fourth super tiny kind was discovered when one fell in my drink....
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women.
mircea_popescu: is this in the "we're about to break and enter and trying to pretend like no warrant is needed because probable cause" ?
mod6: the wasps sound nasty tho ya.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women. << did alf just flip on his scanner?
CompanionCube: lol: 'They used fake details for the domain registry. The "company" behind the domain is Polimedia which is currently in "Forfeited Existence" in Texas. The registry info has been the same even before they switched owners a year ago.'
CompanionCube: mircea_popescu: from some random redditor re: bitbet
mircea_popescu: aanyway, let's just say this bla bla has been going on for as long as there's been an internenet. nubbins abound, and they have shit to say about things, obviously.
mod6: <+CompanionCube> unfortunately I can't read romanian. << i used to translate trilema from .ro for, a long while before it was ever written in english.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the webz, The password should not contain the invalid characters like: ', ".
BingoBoingo: Condolences mod6, consider submittting obituary to paper of record?
mod6: I don't think it needs to be announced otherwise. Just my way of tribute for my folks.
mod6: My family appreciates the outpouring of sympathy from the Republic.
mircea_popescu: Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> eh, too much publicity don't you think. << The option's available to the berieved lord
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ? << i think trinque's node was down for repair for that wallet thing. might be behind a bit. not sure tho...
hanbot: Keeping you in my thoughts mod6
mircea_popescu: in other wins for "social justice" and just being a retard generally, pretty much every online game defaults to making your avatar brown-skinned with the next option being some sort of african black. because TOTALLY not a vast majority of white boys play these things, and there's ABSOLUTELY nothing ridiculous about a bunch of teenaged male drones going around with the equivalent of little gril pillows of themselves.
mod6: mircea_popescu: looks like the sisters are in az
mod6: fg advanced test update: i've collected about 500Mb so far. ~half way there.
mod6: eh, maybe like 18-20 hours?
mod6: with both of my RNG-TWs connected, it was collecting at about 7kB/s ... for that quick 10s test or so to ensure that it was a "full speed"
☟︎ trinque:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643440 << yep, turns out I pebkac'd, series of misunderstandings of how sendmany worked. got a tx out with double fee (0.0002), which still wasn't enough, so I've now double-spent that tx with a 0.0005 fee.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 03:07 mircea_popescu: did you ever nail that issue trinque ?
Framedragger: doublespending double fees, this is bullish for ethereum
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 14:57 mod6: with both of my RNG-TWs connected, it was collecting at about 7kB/s ... for that quick 10s test or so to ensure that it was a "full speed"
trinque: pretty sure it was dead sometime last year
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
trinque: just making a general comment about the guy not having much of a wot presence
mircea_popescu: did he lose his ancient keyh or not have one or what was it ?
trinque: can't tell him from adam, or usg.gamblingprohee
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show".
mircea_popescu: so like 27 bets worth a few pennies each, maaaybe 5-10 btc total ?
mircea_popescu: seems somewhat unlikely a dude that paid 100 btc for it last year would run off with 10.
mircea_popescu: could as well have cancelled the bets then. takes what, coupla hours.
davout: seems unlikely dude just ran off with ~20 btc
davout: at least if you plan on doing that, at least keep the site up and maximize profit by collecting more
davout: or just, on a week end
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:17 mircea_popescu: nobody asked you anything of how bitbet's capital is to be used by bitbet.
Framedragger: not arranging if-hit-by-bus switch is irresponsible, hrm
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what % of an operation do you deem should be allocated to pay for that arrangement ?
mircea_popescu: this "i'm not paying for the drinks and not having better ones is irresponsible" thing only goes so far.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it was 1% of 17 btc that's 200 bux or so ?
mircea_popescu: if you think "switch" as described may cost as much as 1% of the total cost structure, voila, he has a $2 arrangement in place.
Framedragger: 200 bux is not absolutely nothing, first off; and second off, 17 btc? was that the profit in the last P&L? honestly don't remember
mircea_popescu: i;ve not been following, guessing based on the alf provided number above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $2. the remainder 198 are needed for other things.
Framedragger: implementing a procedure to refund all bets if no signature by $key into $system, say. not that it's not easy to fuck this up royally.
mircea_popescu: or what, were you going to use an INDEPENDENT website ?
Framedragger: i can think of couple of approaches but i agree that they are not zero-in-cost, so, meh, i concede
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no; neither do they deal with EC backdoors or sun exploding. having a practical but limited-in-scope threat model is not useless in itself.
mircea_popescu: there are, more broadly and more sadly, no robotic human or alien solution s available to dealing with the usgtard to his satisfaction. because he's worth less than a pig and demands more than a duchess.
mircea_popescu: dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting.
trinque: Framedragger: what recourse is there that doesn't involve exposing keys to more than one person, and why is that multiplied risk of absconding more agreeable to you than present circumstances?
mircea_popescu: a Framedragger walks into a bar, and the bar goes WHAM!
Framedragger: trinque: asciilifeform: i did naively 'assume' that one could think of an arrangement when 2-of-2 or similar signature scheme would be 'safe'.
Framedragger: (to be clear: machine-which-can-send-moneys has to sign, and operator has to sign as well. necessarily both.)
Framedragger: 'safe' as in usg hacking into machine doesn't do anything.
Framedragger: in consideration, machine + operator having keys is not a good idea and the risk is indeed multiplied. 2-of-2 sig doesn't work if one can do basic arithmetic.
Framedragger: yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable
☟︎ Framedragger: (larger profitable orgs may be able to implement this, with ample compensation, but, sure, not bbet.)
☟︎ Framedragger: heh re. latter, i'm sure there is ("pay my family suicide-money after my death")
trinque: no such thing as purchased, but probably such thing as "owned"
Framedragger: re. purchased honesty, well i dunno, two business partners entering business arrangement.. that's a thing that happens (cue mp "as we have seen, it doesn't! so can't ever!1")
trinque: I don't think that's an honest interpretation
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
Framedragger: trinque: i was being facetious. you're right of course
trinque: nono, in re: partnering up in biz
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 13:09 mircea_popescu: oh since i'm thinking about it : there's two specific items tmsr wants to bring to the field of probate reform : a) no juridical person beneficiary. no government, ngo, corporation, trust etc may obtain as much as a farthing from any succession. physical persons only. b) no tax or fee of any kind may be levied against succession.
trinque was taking the shears to an overly broad statement.
trinque: having separate identities is a sanity requirement of doing any business
trinque: Framedragger: better odds for good outcome in business partnership if you had a preceeding relationship with the guy eh?
a111: Logged on 2015-12-10 14:26 asciilifeform: none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle'
Framedragger: trinque: didn't understand the reference hm, but (necessarily and totally) yes?..
trinque: Framedragger: I'm disputing that business partnership is definitionally "purchased honesty"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643576 << and let me guess, i'm supposed to expose this incredibly rare and expensive resource for the benefit of the redditard peons, who don't want to pay for it but DO want to make random claims because hey, gotta make a claim to exist and research of any description is way above their pay grade ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 17:19 Framedragger: yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable
mircea_popescu: yes, some people have others who'd die for them. why the fuck would they let $rando into that club again ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 17:20 Framedragger: (larger profitable orgs may be able to implement this, with ample compensation, but, sure, not bbet.)
mircea_popescu: utter and complete monopoly, no bureaucracy may have the wonder in the future nor ever had it in the past.
ben_vulpes: yeah who in fiatorg holds keys? controller? ceo?
ben_vulpes: goes against the whole grain of how those systems work. single accountable individual with life and death power.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 17:28 asciilifeform: 278.73 BTC << notbad
mircea_popescu: there was a very talented (also female) scammer early on, made a "fund" called "obsi" something. very soft approach, also quietly disappeared.
a111: Logged on 2013-03-20 20:17 pigeons: usagi had 3 different risk profiles for his cdos, and he bought OBSI.HYPT (High Yield Pass Through into secret business model now run away with the money) in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group
mircea_popescu: it was a painful and sad process, being disabused of the notion that average human is capable to tribune (ie, maintain law, complicated discussion i won't go into) via the rota experiment AND the notion that average human is capable to praetor (ie, administer resoruces) via the whole bitcoin finance/investment/profits/etc thing.
mircea_popescu: man has a handle that suggests he groks it ; then has government steal his fucking business ; then goes on to... propiose & defend empire.
mircea_popescu: it's just... people aren't made for this world ; they properly belong in the grave and not perambling ab out.
mircea_popescu: but let's just say that mp started bitcoin cca 2011 as a very classical liberal. it didn't survive long.
mircea_popescu: seems to me assuming that it did attract the very cream of mankind is very safe indeed.
mircea_popescu: looky, that you don't like what the cream looks like dun excuse you from having to admit. they found it, yes ? definitionally cream.
mircea_popescu: ie, better than all the lazy fucks sitting on ass dreaming their jwz/djb dream
mircea_popescu: but yes, i will say pirate, for all his warts, dpb, fucktarded ustard teen as he was, and the whole rest of the menagerie are better people than pick your pick. obama. hillary. nuland. whatever 5k dickless drones are sitting around wash dc offices reading this now. all of everyone
mircea_popescu: certainly better than any subhuman africans toiling with the donkeys.
mircea_popescu: the sad, dirty secret of humanity is that the very cream of it ain't fit to shine shoes.
mircea_popescu: i was simply saying, thr 50 that found the door are definitionally and for that reason alone better than all the others.
mircea_popescu: there is no "oh, i was busy with my dick" excuse to explain why couldn't find way out of paper bag.
mircea_popescu: what, you expect kakobrekla will be remembered for anything other than "oh, the dude who couldn't swing being part of bitbet" ? for what exactly, he's gonna accomplish what in his life to compensate for that failure, cold fucking fusion ?
mircea_popescu: there's very little leeway in teh cold equations for the usual human bullshit.
mircea_popescu: yawell. he is not in charge of his own life in this sense. what intentions he has matter not one wit.
mircea_popescu: conceivably quisling also had "no intention of being remembered".
mircea_popescu: it really dun make difference if "one got lucky". symbolics is still dead ON ITS OWN MERITS.
mircea_popescu: this because "luck" and skill are indistinguishable for the unskilled.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of it. grab the brass ring, there's no way to excuse it.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's right now all sorts of ~in their own mind~ important smart useful whatever folk. they're not in the wot, they don't exist, and this inexistence of theirs WILL COUNT AGAINST THEM
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting. << googled rotinculo definition, got a suggestion of trilema articles to read
hanbot: s'about a 50% chance a googling a given unknown word in a #t article yields...just moar t articles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and maybe we'll opt to credit this. or maybe we won't.
mircea_popescu: shoulda followed the topic. the topic is there for a reason.
mircea_popescu: gotta pass bacalaureat before may even consider going tinto laboratory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. in mp's conception, lab does not take all comers.
mircea_popescu: that reason is, "infantile delusion of having been in lab before completing the basic steps ARE NAUGHT BUT INFANTILE DELUSIONS."\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's about what you'd call a twink in english, ie a teenaged gay prostitute. generally applied to the aged variant nobody anymore seriously contemplates paying for.
mircea_popescu: and you know what, that "there wasn't" is scarcely any excuse. why didn't they make it, these MEN ? if they're so respectable and errything.
mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm excusing him in my mind ? i'm not. fuck him.
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a divine kingdom of the heavens insulating dumb bitches from their inept choices in locales to get drunk into and badly washed dorks from their inept choices in whom to submit to and what to obey.
mircea_popescu: you eat too much, you get fat ; you jwz, you get pissed on. shouldn't be so hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to hear him recount it, he was the maxwell/hertz of job's marconi or some such.
mircea_popescu: the overarching point is that technical merit doesn't enter into this.
mircea_popescu: and i have every intention to credit everything to the first wot person to bring it up, not to the "originator". fuck him. should have had a wot.
mircea_popescu: noobs learning from anything, be it a thief, be it their mother, be it hillary clinton, be it bernstein, be it ANYONE is very harmful to them.
mircea_popescu: and you MAY NOT pretend you're not at the start if you are at the start.
mircea_popescu: it's self contained. you learn what you need by confronting the things here you don't know.
mircea_popescu: this "oh, but mp, i'm interested in other things, i'm speshul" is more adlaism bullshit. THERE AREN'T OTHER THINGS.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea. << sure you do, people just love easy-to-complete tasks that earn them an "everything's okay" signal from authority. even if that authority consists of a crayon-drawn badge paperclipped to dork's lapel @ supermarket exit.
deedbot: airgapped voiced for 30 minutes.
davout: in china even bitcoins are locked down
davout: tell exchanges "don't send them, or else"
mircea_popescu: you can lift a million in cash off the chinese doing supermarkets offshore for instance, on a few hour's notice.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of things work as cp, including bitcoin, heads of usg "operatives", etc.
Framedragger developing product to make real estate investment for chinese easier, actually. will report results and types of failure if any and if possible..
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, are you developing this "product" because a chinese dude told you so ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: chinese and other (e.g., south korean) bankers told a dude whom i believe in and who's paying me
davout: asciilifeform: they're being forced not to honor IOUs to be very precise
Framedragger: asciilifeform: plenty of real estate in western yurop still up for sale. a *lot* of it may crash soon, but 'pockets' of it (e.g., specific places in italy (which in itself may / will crash, depending on your outlook) may be good investment, and they acknowledge that
Framedragger: (obvs if this 'works out' -- remains to be seen...)
Framedragger: hah transcendent sex academy.. so in that realm in the comic, when dude puts transcendentally-ideal penis in vagina.. is that the infamous 'synthetic a priori' act??
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think I just got forgetful. Weather's been good for playing in dirt.
ben_vulpes: > Are you blind? Don't you see the above logo? It is an indisputable fact that it is a critical vulnerability available on the Internet.