mircea_popescu: not too sure what your idea of maximally nasty is, but your complaint yest was already that this is unpracticably demanding.
mircea_popescu: i keep forgettiong the tards are in bayesian "intelligence" mode.
mircea_popescu: how can it miss the field anyway, wires are very hot emically.
mircea_popescu: are you sure you read the manual correctloy ? maybe it's supposed to work after you grab the hot wire.
mircea_popescu: as if "Central authority" is EVEN POSSIBLE outside of very temporary, geographically limited arrangements.
mircea_popescu: fiatards are a fine example of claiming they resolved a problem by conceptual contorsion.
mircea_popescu: disappointing. keysha mac aleisha 'd have been so much more convincing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hard to think of a more catastrophically useless tool << There a better an worse variants of this tool. Pretty much only the good ones sell for this reason.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dunno wai this had to be 'modernized'... << Faster!!! For the modern jobsite!!!
BingoBoingo: No money to be made from Phree wet finger in OSHA "work safety" racket
BingoBoingo: Essentially an extortion racket centered around avoiding the healthcare extortion racket
BingoBoingo: Well, those are used for actually DOING the work
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 19:56 asciilifeform: idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'
mod6: power situation any better?
mircea_popescu: ah it wasn't the power, i have it set to disconnect at six in the morning deliberately.
mod6: ah, i mean, where the girls were carrying up buckets of water?
mircea_popescu: i think i even mentioned this in the logs at some point. perpetual connections are unsanitary.
mod6: maybe i imagined that lol.
mircea_popescu: they got it back up same evening. (not universally, nicaragua was still without power the next day for instance)
mircea_popescu: teh ticos (costa rican ethnonym) are actually very serious, dedicated people. like shorter, more pleasant californians let's say. the nicaraguans are dorks and the panamanians are all to a man this strange rendition of the frustrated shittier brother.
mircea_popescu: dunno if you've ever seen this in practice, 2nd born with a huge boner/inferiority complex.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if costa rica enlarges its airport because it gets tons of traffic and it HAS TO, panama will built an even larger one!!!! which nobody really needs wants or uses. but THEY ARE BETTER DAMNIT
mod6: i didn't sleep a wink last night.
mod6: i dunno. just one of those nights i guess.
mod6: can i also say that this whole lobbesbot thing is a pretty great model. does auctions, then he collects the fees (monthly?).
mod6: oh quarterly, looks like.
mircea_popescu: the original plan was to tie in payments with deedbot payment system, and im sure that's how it'll work once that bit of infrastructure is ready.
mircea_popescu: then that can also handle deeding fees, and lo and behold, actual cryptoeconomy
phf: right, corroborating point in logs
mircea_popescu: but anyway, they'll work just as well as everything else in the empire of stupid works. did "ourembargo" work ? sure, in the sense shittington post wrote about how it will, and then promptly forgot it ever happened
mircea_popescu: next issue of fiat paper will read Ourshit Dun Work instead of the racist/rapist in god we trust bit
mircea_popescu: let me guess, rehash of original "stages" curtis yarvin "argument" ?
phf: nah, a very naive, outsider "somebody gifted me bitcoin, i logged into coinbase recently and the whole experience is a piece of shit, so bitcoin, shmitcoin, whatever"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, very fundamentally libertard this "framing" approach, quintessentially what "progress" is all about. here's what happened, now let me hallucinate a string of pseudocauses and outcomes which you can believe in!
mircea_popescu: phf i kept telling the naive early adopter noobs that gifting coin is fucking dumb.
mircea_popescu: but by definition, naive early adopters have their own ideas.
mircea_popescu: revisiting the above "progress" great lie of socialism : just as eg wikipedia parasithizes (see alf/naggum re how this works) the encyclopedia space, turning whatever it can steal into "wearenotbegging for donations", just like github tries to accrete "wild" work into something they can sell down the road to the bezzlevestor, just so school in the socialist state (as designed by trotsky, stealing from bismarck) works also on
mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the replacement of causes with purposes in this sense is the ONLY point of "school" as the socialists do it. it's uninteresting to understand exactly what the theory of gravity is, says or does, or what a number is, or anything else of that kind
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: what is important is for the kids to end up with the purposes idiocy implanted in their heads. and they do. which is how they end up thinking "modern medicine" has something to do with life expectancy changes. as opposed to sanitation.
mircea_popescu: and which is how they end up with all the rest of the dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: schooling for the purpose of convincing as many unexamining intellects as possible that "in the soviet union kids get icecream". if it takes putting the agitprop mechanism in the middle of the forest cuz that's where the peasants go... well, they'll mount it in a truck.
mircea_popescu: and if it takes a little incidental mention of the history of thought, fine, just as long as it's a) safely bowdlerized into nonsense and b) really, incidental to the great story.
mircea_popescu: in other words -- us schools don't work on purpose, not by accident. and like those, everything else, nukes, embargoes, name it.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:08 mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes"
mircea_popescu: quite on the contrary. that can be a pretext, if you're willing to eat it. and if not -- others available.
mircea_popescu: ever since the early seeds of socialism showed up in paris (not so coincidentally, where syphilis also comes from), it's been one great race to re-construct human thought into socialistardation.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's not about anything besides "here's our socialist state, it is great and statal and socialist". absolutely nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: "and here's the list of necessary steps that lead to it!"
mircea_popescu: (ie, voltaire shows antibodies, infection was clearly present in his environment.)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 15:10 mircea_popescu: rules to fucking live by, you know, "by the time you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, it's time to gtfo and find a better place."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is more complicated. original church was very much republic, much like original us presidency. then the socialistards got roosevelt in and broke it. similarily to how empire meant something, before napoleon.
mircea_popescu: the usual mo is this, very strictly antiauthoritarian, "we'll get our own schmuck emperor and then ruin the thing"
mircea_popescu: i suppose technically roosevelt broke the shattered remains left after monkeyboy lincoln, but still, general idea.
mircea_popescu: i don't really see it. jefferson, for all his popularity, was intellectually ~nil.
mircea_popescu: his "ideas" if you can call them that are all sorta broken.
mircea_popescu: in this sense the washington monument was the proper government lol
mircea_popescu: hamilton wasn't doping centralized megastate either. it's unclear what washington wass doing, as also not idea man, but probably ALSO not megastate judging by how if he were, he'd have been the king of united states literally.
mircea_popescu: veterans not getting paid what they thought was fair is an absolute part of all war.
mircea_popescu: this is the dark secret of gender disparity : after the deed's done, woman gets more than she expected, and man less.
mircea_popescu: now how is this relating to say hamilton in preference of say monroe ?
mircea_popescu: recall (part of why i even republishedf that) -- hamilton was an original, and originally a lonely, voice in the "to spend -- you MUST first tax" camp.
mircea_popescu: also, "tmsr style" may be a misnomer. the republic receiving tax from the lords voluntarily is one thing, but there's nowehre in statute or custom where it says lord can't grind into paste any subhuman peons it gets his hands on, to extract whatever he extracts.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for the schmucks getting the sharp end of that stick, the difference will be negligible.
mircea_popescu: and "shoulda been in the forum a while back" will not parse to anything, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and nobody had anything like modern peasant's productivity, either.
mircea_popescu: here's thje thing. if your capital good worth 100 btc produces 1 btc a year and you pay real estate tax of 0.5% and no income tax, you're payinfg half your income each year.
mircea_popescu: if your 100 btc capital good produces 1k btc a year, and you pay 1 bitcent in real estate tax and 50% income tax, you're paying... half your income each year, plus a bitcent.
mircea_popescu: and yes they had re tax : to own a plot of land you produced knights.
mircea_popescu: very carefully weighed and so on, since before 1k ad, too.
mircea_popescu: well, look at modern business. you throw up a bunch of vynil fresh off the boat, worth 40k if you're drunk that day, and call it a restaurant. then you expect revenue in the mn+ ayear.
PeterL: how about a shovel, costs 10 bucks, but you can make 10 bucks an hour wielding it?
mircea_popescu: medieval time, you built, out of stone, a tiny shop, cost about a hundred million in today's fiats, and got custom worth... you kjnow, 200 bux a day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look into small business papers sometime ? waht can i tell yoiu, the bezzle's the bezzle, it's what it does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was discussing capital goods not labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the + is coming oiut of the fed imaginary account, which is cvurrently still credited by china.
mircea_popescu: anyway, PeterL has a solid point : you may think of whatever split between capital goods and labour, but fact is, at the time we are discussing the shovel owned oyu, not the other wayu around. if you owned a shovel you were god damned out there shoveling every day.
mircea_popescu: none of this, "i have these toys in my shop, which i play with today".
mircea_popescu: ie, historically more yous was the only thing they actually knew how to make. so they did. so... not much of a problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 20:46 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
mircea_popescu: the disunified italies contained the original argentina and no more.
mircea_popescu: buncha uppity "students" sitting around coffee tables and being idea men. fuck them with the boot shaped peninsula.
mircea_popescu: you can go to the acropolis right now, see the useless fucktarded greeks sitting around. ~same bs.
mircea_popescu: ^ very much recommend. better history of italy than any italian ever could write.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, you can drink in tardstalk/reddit/what have you, have your fill.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 22:28 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
mircea_popescu: what you said parsed as 1800 italy. which italy did you have in mind ?
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking reference the original, 1200 tmsr as "disunified italy" wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: if you had venice in mind, it'd be more proper to say original pre-unified european union.
mircea_popescu: italy was used as a topographic name in the late empire (ie, 300s, italia) and else in the late 1800s
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's entirely no relation between garibaldi and say venice. you wanna talk d'este, sforza, zee germanz etc.
mircea_popescu: by the time garibaldi was even a thing, the lido had long been sanded.
mircea_popescu: i tihnk you have no appreciation of the fact that a thousand years is much MUCH wider than the piddly 5k kms making up the us sideways.
mircea_popescu: somehow in your mind these two things, one on mars, the other on alpha centauri, kinda meld into a single item
mircea_popescu: i was not. i was stating the gypos then befouling the peninsula are not worthy of inclusion in the species.
mircea_popescu: not really. could have been more romiche reich than empire francais, at the very most.
mircea_popescu: that it wasn't is principally due to the germans being congenitally retarded, and no moar.
mircea_popescu: ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.
mircea_popescu: no. picture if plantation owners marched on washington in 1812, and hung a) all declared abolitionists ; b) any preacher of any kind ; c) any old women who did not applaud a and b.
mircea_popescu: THAT is what i mean by "ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only morally or intellectually respectable character in italy, ie the 1800s thing, was to be founbd not in italy but in sicily, which is altogether a different place.
mircea_popescu: he is the continuator of the ancient military traditions of aristocracy, and he yielded the caudillo in south america. he yielded nothing in the southern us, principally because, agian, the germans are congenitally retarded.
mircea_popescu: in sicily he is known as the honorable man, ie mobster.
mircea_popescu: had the south managed to produce a de rosas, it'd have been a very different place. substantially, not just superficially.
mircea_popescu: but as it is -- 19.95 and would you like paper or pl;astioc bag ?
mircea_popescu: much lower "perceived spoiliage value", however. and this because indians aren't worth jack shit in a fight ; whreas rosas kinda scared them
shinohai: Yeah phf ....it's the heathen google plugin that came with gribble. I haven't bothered to fix, sorry, since I have a rewrite in the worx
phf: actually, not sure what's going on, that youtube url has slashes escaped for some reason
phf: no worries, just didn't know if you knew
shinohai: While Limnoria is stable bot platform, the way it handles plugins does a lot of crazy shit I've never been able to fix. :/
shinohai: I was in there like maybe a year ago, it's definitely as dead as #b-a