mircea_popescu has just drank, can then pick it uo

mircea_popescu: in the other lulz : LordMPofTMSR 38M Master ~~~1y~~~~ "How goes ?" mermaidkynna 25F sub 4h "Good"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876836 << whole fucking idea is to a) lighten the load of dying empire ; b) round the coffers of republican corps to better divorce from vagaries of usg faux "market". ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876843 << sort of thing that makes me suspicious of the whole "good science" theory etc. but, won't rehash, pretty sure we did that already to the point it died of end mommentum. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876855 << pretty sure this actually occured kek. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876876 << makes chainsaws too you know :D ☝︎

mircea_popescu: \http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876891 << kinda the problem, this is how airports end up owning a fleet of eg iceploughs : "we only need them 3 days each decade -- but as it happens it's always the exact fucking three day you can't possibly fucking find one to rent, of these items that otherwise go for 500 a day." ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876903 << something like that, yeah. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "Rice, 30, first claimed to have raised $300m from AriseBank's coin offering, then upped that figure to $600m, and later promised this could be the first billion-dollar crypto-dosh offering. However, despite all that publicity and hype, it is claimed hundreds of punters invested just $4.25m in exchange for the bank's tokens." << keks. and this is after usg multiply-magic, "we found 777 kgs of cocaine in the shape of a toyota

mircea_popescu: plasticar whose glove compartment held a dime bag. whole item weight -- counts".

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876937 << this sorta thing... "picture what naggum could've done with vtrees and wots" etc. if only netwon had neutron gun! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar. ☝︎☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876950 << -- >> http://trilema.com/2013/let-me-tell-you-about-jean-moscopol/#selection-795.377-795.435 ; germany quite same situation. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877034 << weird "saving self" thing, like the indians have with ejaculation. seems nutty enough if expressed, but it's kinda my takeaway, soviet thought "last man to think wins". ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877053 << the "AriseBank" reason. there's this large class of idle idiots who think "secrecy" might be confused with value. much like there's a cloud of fat stupid old women not even the dogs would fuck, who imagine they're being coy. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877082 << lmao. those two lines eminently bashable. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ? ☝︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877191 << is one in timisoara also, "alcatel" of all things. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877255 << top keks. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "oh, what do you mean '''orange man''' is sending pantsuited hilarity to same cell block argentine whore lives on"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877271 << was not ; and obviously ~only substantial reference to item on whole "world wide web" is trilema. because everyone else literally lives in vain, what. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6747/24302342.1a7/0_9dea5_99e0ef8d_orig << orig ilustration, perhaps helps.

mircea_popescu: ha! nice!

mircea_popescu: nah, cat wins a pyrrhyc victory.

mircea_popescu: anyway, was over a kitten or something.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost." ☟︎

mircea_popescu: so i suppose topical : that sounds like a story she's happy to have missed. AS LARVA.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, that's the story exactly.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877283 << i'm not saying i got a read so clear i can argue anyone out of his ; but how does this reconcile with the "achieve&over-achieve" policy ; and ~everything else~ about that regime. after all, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373877 did not copy lincoln. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: i suppose.

mircea_popescu: 60s different from 70s is the argument here ?

mircea_popescu: i can see it.

mircea_popescu: so, you know, "as the 70s dawned, russian man came to this weird personal belief that he who thinks last wins". i suppose in a sense could be abomb-psychosis driven.

mircea_popescu: this actually makes sense.

mircea_popescu: the cute 00 prefix.

mircea_popescu: but let's dig into it : WHAT ~precisely~, in central substance if not in peculiars of extension, DROVE this switch from "hey hey, soviet won space race and has ics of a sort" into this "ho, ho, soviet's buying scrapyard fare at new-from-factory prices" ?

mircea_popescu: if not the above, then what ? cuz it fucking well wasn't 78 bean counters. by the time they were even asked anything, that WHAT was already two decades (ie, one generation) old.

mircea_popescu: the ~parents~ of the people who scrapped the bk decided to not be like their grandparents. why and wherefore ?

mircea_popescu: it is eminently not.

mircea_popescu: "the world has space for maybe 4 ic pyramids".

mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this concept of "amortize" as you use here is EXACTLY of the nature of brejnev's economic thinking

mircea_popescu: 100% hallucinatory.

mircea_popescu: soviets did, actually.

mircea_popescu: take ro programme : romania never scrapped theirs (was one of ~many~ items ceausescu rightfully called moscow http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm over.

mircea_popescu: and the ro made items were ~industrial automation~. the hardware at my house was "officially" being hard at work doing shit for hotels and textile mills.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i'm not discussing end results. a tiny country on the black sea isn't gonna outrun us/su, it ain't fucking finland.

mircea_popescu: but we're discussing the orientation here.

mircea_popescu: point being, "technical calculus institute" still stood in 1990 for random morons (whom ceausescu DID send to mandatory military training, 16 months, taught how to fire and everyhthing) could stand on the roof of "to guard", profiled on the blue romanian skies so they could be shot from any of the surrounding hills

mircea_popescu: if anyone cared to. which nobody did. but anyway!

mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it was "brejnev's bean counters" that told soviet man to be stupid ; much as i doubt it was ceausescu who told morons to be morons, and IGNORE 16 months of their own life because "didn't sign up for this", and not eat the fucking fish because "how dares owner think of us as cattle when that's exactly what we are", and so on.

mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: not because mit didn't try telling, which it did, of course, but because it's evident the telling does exactly nothing, and mit sitting about going "oh, symbolics fuckards because we told them to" exactly like inca sun priest going "sun rises cuz we told it to!"

mircea_popescu: not in my experience.

mircea_popescu: romania was never as broke as in the 90s, at least not since the 30s. and it never in its history gave as good answers to fundamental problems.

mircea_popescu: including all, down the way to young women understanding http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ is what they're for, and any and all pointsd.

mircea_popescu: how long does chronically take ? because su was not that poor in 60s.

mircea_popescu: so ?

mircea_popescu: so your idea is that su military complex toppled thinking man into moron pot ?!

mircea_popescu: this makes so zero fucking sense to me...

mircea_popescu: not even, that's losing into details.

mircea_popescu: recall man who said to stalin "i suppose you could do that... but then..." ?

mircea_popescu: where's this man's son ? name him ?

mircea_popescu: no, name the son.

mircea_popescu: i mean metaphorically! wtf, that conversation happened in the 40s.

mircea_popescu: where's the 60s ?

mircea_popescu: see, this is my point : at some point somewhere around the 60s, kurchatov jr decided he's gonna... ?

mircea_popescu: this is the substance of my original claim. it seems to me russian man decided not to think. and this has no bearing on "cocksucker said". nobody yet has listened to the cocksuckers.

mircea_popescu: very different dynamic in the us -- no wot there.

mircea_popescu: they're literally 1024 chickens, inconsequentially "democratic", fighting the "corruption" of meaning.

mircea_popescu: it's a country adequate to the time and needs of jefferson, it'd make the best agrarian 1700s the world has ever seen.

mircea_popescu: of course, the chinese don't need that for anything, but w/e.

mircea_popescu: it's my considered opinion that taking "the american experience" into consideration for any practical purpose is fundamentally stupid. might as well think in terms of "hey mr wright, this bird of yours is ok, but does it lay eggs ?"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform establishment is never looking to crash and burn. not ever. brejnev "nixed" su ic in the exact sense of "happiness" from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877404 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: lyonya25 "is happy to be rid of them"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those formative years are eminently not "amortize" in the batshit insane nonsense of having people-of-walmart involved.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, what the everloving fuck, if tomorrow i wake up with the notion evertyone in tmsr gotta get circumcised you're gonna do it ?! brejnev was not this popular or respected, not at any point in his life.

mircea_popescu: i tell you, you've got the chain powering the saw over here.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?

mircea_popescu: let's take this one at a time. do you in fact understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?

mircea_popescu: nevermind that part, i'll explain that in the next step.

mircea_popescu: take things one at a time.

mircea_popescu: what is the hole in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?

mircea_popescu: right. let's formalize :

mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case ☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: of staying airborne, weight kills. so therefore, it makes way the fuck more sense to have iron bird's ovopositor on the ground, and construct a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 rather than attempt a http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ " ☝︎

mircea_popescu: now then, the next step :

mircea_popescu: the notion of "soviet computer work amortizing" is EXACTLY this sort of "naive extension". the ~very concept~ of "amortization" exactly mirrors the concept of "reproduction" in the previous step : you are using a naive notion that you're trying to extend naively.

mircea_popescu: amortization is ~not meaningful~ in this context. there's nothing to ever amortize, macro-economically, that's specifically not how a country works.

mircea_popescu: country gets a set of resources each generation, and ALWAYS SPENDS THEM. there's no option to "save", the 20yos now floating about will not be cryopreserved.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

mircea_popescu: since there's no saving, there's no amortization. country does or dies.

mircea_popescu: unlike bar down the street.

mircea_popescu: yay! you get it~!

mircea_popescu: hence "you think the chain is powering your chainsaw".

mircea_popescu: well, kurchatov, strictly. as per carlyle, history exists strictly as the biography of great men.

mircea_popescu: and for ~some reason~ su went dark decade-aniversay-of-stalin-death.

mircea_popescu: now, what the fuck reason, i have nfi. it's comparatively clearer with the gringos, they had been sheep-following su, went off cliff eyes wide open.

mircea_popescu: (followed france before, nothing new there)

mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.

mircea_popescu: wtf happened, women stopped sucking the right part of the cock ? for seven decades ?!

mircea_popescu: exactly so.

mircea_popescu: main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)

mircea_popescu: why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?

mircea_popescu: except five minutes ago it was "chronically broke". gringos were overcomfortable. su, not so much.

mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei ☝︎☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: n of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ). similarily, su books free, because. su collegiate education, free, because. su pineapple expensive, because who the fuck is paying dole its ransom ; but su milk cheap, because. and so on in this vein -- su hospital free, but does not work like gringo hospital. you know ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway". ☟︎

mircea_popescu: any attempt to reconstruct this argument (yeah, but the tea -- coca leaves!!!) dies the same death, ultimately. "this nonsense could only be interesting to morons" "that's ok, we here in gringostan proud country of morons" "and how do you expect to survive on any sort of time horizon ?" "WE SPREAD AGITPROP RE BENEFITS OF STUPIDITY ALL OVER GLOBE!!! WORK PAYS LATER, LAZY PAYS NOW!!!"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree". ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: finally time to check out huh.

mircea_popescu: close the book, let's go to bed.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this ☝︎

mircea_popescu: (talk about "since turbine, get x free" heh.)

mircea_popescu: yeah, west-side 90s were epically fucktarded.

mircea_popescu: "yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ? ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: fg, makes entropy.

mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: kinda the point of that shithole.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg never had army in the sense here contemplated. had "selective draft" or w/e.

mircea_popescu: which is the important part of THAT kind of army, not "winning chechen war", but "here we sit in boy hut, waiting for feathers to grow on -- if they take long time, have no one to blame but self"

mircea_popescu: which is why so thoroughly reviled by the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ; especially in "male" flavouring.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same as "state of the art" of strippers, if you recall that lengthy lulz. 100% moved to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/

mircea_popescu: "we're failures and that's okay, failing makes us happy"

mircea_popescu: what can you do, danielpbarron decided what he wants is to "obey laws" and NOT beat women.

mircea_popescu: literally. yes. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: end of history, rite.

mircea_popescu: eh, there's infinitely better things to sad over, than the idle contemplation of the intricacies of "why this goat is not boar".

mircea_popescu: kinda why "altruism" is such bunk.

mircea_popescu: sadly it's not how it goes ; flighted duckling is not distinguished from flightless duckling by "having more flight spirit".

mircea_popescu: the calling is the only way to distinguish, it's an event not a succession.

mircea_popescu: when they quack overhead, one takes off. kinda al lthere is to it.

mircea_popescu: (also kinda why duck not popular with traditional household farmers -- some domestics develop flight spontaneously)

mircea_popescu: maybe 3% or so fly.

mircea_popescu: bad genetics, bad nutrition, bad culture, who the fuck knows.

mircea_popescu is not a duck expert, but afaik not that much expertise to be had. you can clip their feathers.

mircea_popescu: birdlogic, you know ? "why do some cats run off and some don't ?"

mircea_popescu: in chickens that's rather needed w/o all they do is "fly" balistically into nearest road.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg lands are constructed out of idiots "making laws" and idiots "following laws". these two are interchangeable, and the system works well for the lowest common denominator.

mircea_popescu: nobody would even have any objection, if they didn't ineptly get into the way of actual people now and again. (though in fairness it's vastly in the sense of "bus got in way of old man").

mircea_popescu: this has not been my observation, but then again.

mircea_popescu: imo they live in a female (see http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia/ ) hatred of beta bois pretending to my regalia. which, honestly, can hardly ever be faulted.

mircea_popescu: i recall the endless hordes of pantsuit "free women" going there to whore out to him a little for a few decades. what they said at the coffin... w/e, you know how old the dood was ?

mircea_popescu: 60s, 70s, that dude parked his pecker in more "gone to ny to be a writer" mouths than hefner.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, you recall the lulz of kosygin's programme ?

mircea_popescu: (likbez : su was "dictatorship", nevertheless, brejnev got place by talking to everyone about ousting nikita, which then happened even though the retard got wind of the plan, because he was a retard. just like in dictatorship amirite.

mircea_popescu: then brejnev let a certain kosgyn be "boss of economy". and then they had an electoral dispute, as to who should lead. kosgyn came with the lulziest perestroika v0.1a you ever saw)

mircea_popescu: his idea was, summarized by someone who's not retarded like they were : that if a) portions of industrial production get redirected to consumer goods and b) the state media finds a vanna white in the zaporoje countriside, then c) soviet union can turn into a large game of stakhanovist jeopardy.

mircea_popescu: "name how many heroic worker hours for this fridge! THE SACRIFICE IS RIGHT!!!")

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beria was also fucking deranged.

mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.

mircea_popescu: aaanyway -- the korgyn fellow is remarkable (and remarkably funny) because he managed to come up with a 100% worst-of-all-worlds plan of nonsense.

mircea_popescu: imo this eminent example. kinda why we discuss orel-i-koshka in preference of whatever disney overdressed princess

mircea_popescu: not somebody.

mircea_popescu: A MOTHER. a heroic mother, losing eye ~in performance of her unworthy of praise or much mention duties~.

mircea_popescu: that's the important part there, as usual off screen : "while this was going on, dad was busy doing actually important shit -- because no, neither cat nor its spawn are it"

mircea_popescu: sounds like germano-polish immigrant fare.

mircea_popescu: anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.

mircea_popescu: or w/e, the scientology head muppet, closer example.

mircea_popescu: this seems very not credible to me.

mircea_popescu: for one thing, "market system" entirely meaningless in the man's context. it's like "moses let it slip he's in favour of nuclear weapons". for the other thing, LENIN came up with the fucking neps. nobody was going to be all that indignant over rehash. in short it predicates both meaning and effect projected from an outside world.

mircea_popescu: maybe.

mircea_popescu: stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.