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asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2016/05/17/6/146347346718383298.jpg << 'comrade mauser' .
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ orig didn't rhyme worth half a shit, i tried to fix bug.
BingoBoingo: In other local business transactions... guess who from http://bingology.net/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#selection-271.0-271.86 is for sale https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457471764-venta-local-comercial-pocitos-alquilado-dueno-directo-sc-_JM
asciilifeform: ftr mayakovsky had the presence of mind to eat ~his~ mauser when it dawned on him that things weren't playing out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why so far as brazil? what, BingoBoingostan has no university ?
BingoBoingo: Brazil's a sort of Germany. It's the first place to look for capital equipment to rent on the continent
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/there-are-channels-for-that/ << Daniel P. Barron - There are channels for that
asciilifeform: 'Some lines have been removed or altered due to offensive language or for not relating to the topic.' rly? srsly?
danielpbarron: yeah, i don't want to offend people over things that aren't nessessary (the Gospel is offensive enough)
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876420 lulz from the morning, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TIRX/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:33 mircea_popescu: you're kinda famous for your generosity in this vein, actually.
asciilifeform: watch d00d come back in 6 mo., having read log and his 3rd eye opened.
BingoBoingo: Invisible third eye or brown third eye
asciilifeform: if it's the latter, i won't bother to report
asciilifeform: did give him a door to knock on, if the former.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/qntra-s-qntr-november-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2018 Report
asciilifeform: ftr nobody's knocked on that door yet. #a is a pretty quiet castle.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876522 << relatedly i have an old cruddy b00k in back room shelf, where spine reads 'THE OF' (some claptrap by b. russel, iirc, faded ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 18:15 mircea_popescu: i esp like the - , ! sendoff
asciilifeform: pet : 'let's throw out THE OF' a : 'only if you write me a new one'
asciilifeform continues on 2nd pass of l0gz,
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876532 >> behold, '8,054,179,498 Words Consed' << what else do ya know of in 1980s that chugged through 288 GB (!) ?! ( bolix had 36bit word ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 18:23 amberglint: I found a couple more bits about the Ivory https://i.imgur.com/m5HvPHA.png https://i.imgur.com/QEzR2po.png
asciilifeform: i'd bet swapping ~that~ to/from '80s 'fujitsu eagle's took most of those 6months !
asciilifeform: picture what those folx could've done with modern fab. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Before leaving this subject, I should mention that there have been a number of interesting LISP Machine designs done outside the U.S., particularly in Japan. For example, see [Hayashi]' << asciilifeform once spent coupla months trying to dig up these. and europistan's 'racal norsk' also. found ~0. ☟︎
asciilifeform: all buried beneath the sands, even moar so than bolix.
asciilifeform: even from xerox's lispm i was able to find moar.
asciilifeform: ( it dun help that asciilifeform's jp is ~on par with a kindergartener's. slowly works on fixing this, but it's a far backburner item and i dun expect to get far in the near fyootoor )
asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in which ~all r&d perished
asciilifeform: !#s fifth generation supercomputer
a111: 0 results for "fifth generation supercomputer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fifth%20generation%20supercomputer
asciilifeform: hrm.
asciilifeform: jp wunderwaffen, '80s. evaporated without a gram's trace.
asciilifeform: db instead of idjit filesystems, parallel-errything instead of vonneumann, etc.
asciilifeform: was pretty concrete thing, rather than vapour as ordinarily presented in anglowank.
asciilifeform: from looking with the right magnifying glass, asciilifeform formed distinct impression that jp was raped by usg in erry hole not once, as ordinarily supposed, but ~twice~. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( whether there'll be a third time, i have nfi, possibly thing has no moar life juice remaining to stand up a third time )
BingoBoingo: "Autodromo Virtual" (In an unlovable location): https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456733049-local-en-venta-de-en-cordon-_JM
asciilifeform: lol hey didn't we walk past that thing
asciilifeform: whatever it is
asciilifeform: loox rather familiar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's that figure look like in gringodubloons ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is gringodabloons
asciilifeform: aaa aite
BingoBoingo: Looks similar to places we walked past because painted in a pasta shop livery
asciilifeform: i have nfi who and why would pay that for a 2room orc box
BingoBoingo: But in an area with little reason to walk to
asciilifeform: could buy e.g. three palaces in timisoara
asciilifeform: with that
BingoBoingo: https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-451579991-local-comercial-320-m2-martin-c-martinez-y-18-de-julio-_JM << Warehouse on mainstreet
asciilifeform: four palaces.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i have nfi who and why would pay that for a 2room orc box << That's the ask. It's a sale not a rental. Gotta break some balls
BingoBoingo: Real estate sale prices in MVD are trending down, because Argentina doesn't have money to shelter anymore
BingoBoingo: Apartments of the same or smaller size as Pizarro habitation module have a list price of ~100,000 USD even for sale. Rent for 14,500 to 16,000 pesos.
asciilifeform: i can already picture idjit owner, 'i will sell! one day! this warehouse! and buy miami ticket!'
BingoBoingo: Not being Argentina apparently busting balls to actual sale price ~30-70% lower is done here. Have not had opportunity to experiment myself
asciilifeform: if i had with what to experiment, would prolly not resist temptation and go , experiment
BingoBoingo: And prices do drop fast north of "Autodromo Virtual" but security needs increase
asciilifeform: as it is, 30% of maxint is still maxint as far as asciilifeforms go
BingoBoingo: Well, there are also kioskos located away from foot traffic too https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457117648-local-en-venta-reparacion-de-celulares-quiniela-pilas-etc-_JM
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma bet that's either a rent price , a misprint, or a bold lie
asciilifeform: it's missing at least 1 zero
BingoBoingo: No, that's a sale price, but you are stuck with the operating cell phone repair business
BingoBoingo: That's the buyer beware
asciilifeform: really , stuck ?
asciilifeform: and if you'd rather sell rakes ?
asciilifeform: what happens ?
BingoBoingo: Well, can sell rakes. But who knows what debts privious operator incurred with odd agencies that attach to the cell phone business
asciilifeform: there is that.
asciilifeform: there is also that it loox like literally 4 sq. m. room, a la ru prison, no bed space.
BingoBoingo: Also, close to buy far enough from foot traffic to not get customers
asciilifeform: there was a shithole like that in the carriageway of the 19th c megablock asciilifeform grew up in. d00d fixed clocks.
BingoBoingo: Better situated kiosko https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-458670653-kiosko-bvar-espana-y-bvar-artigas-a-paso-de-facultades-_JM
asciilifeform: ( i think places like that were converted coachman's quarters )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that dun look habitable either
BingoBoingo: Near plaza Tolstoi https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457475373-venta-de-llave-de-local-regaleria-funcionando-en-pocitos-_JM
asciilifeform: prolly even lacks own latrine
BingoBoingo: Probable
asciilifeform: in these you won't put not only microscope, but not hammock either.
BingoBoingo: Well, you wanted to walk away from maxint properties unencumbered by operating businesses
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the broken dreams category https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/inmuebles/llave-negocio/venta/montevideo/venta-locales
asciilifeform: lol but i can live in refrigerator crate for phree. dun need to pay 3k dubloon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these all look to be same type of item.
BingoBoingo: Well, in the broken dreams category the properties often come with rental contract
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol but i can live in refrigerator crate for phree. dun need to pay 3k dubloon. << To live in refrigerator crate in MVD requires constant vigilance and learning Pichi cultural competence
asciilifeform: i'm sure it does.
asciilifeform: but prolly not much moar so than the holes in wall.
BingoBoingo: Quite a bit more
BingoBoingo: Can improvise a locking door for hole in wall and play squatter's law game to regularize the address
asciilifeform: do they have the u.s.-style wank where 'ohnoez you can't LIVE here, it's COMMERCIAL addy' ?
BingoBoingo: They don't seem to. Couple older dudes appear to live in the back rooms of their larger kioskos
asciilifeform: so why 'squatter law' then
asciilifeform: buy, if yer hammock fits, live
asciilifeform: shower when it rains, iguess
asciilifeform: waltz the peru chick on that pnoje repair counter
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so why 'squatter law' then << Because there are hole in walls that don't have addresses, quite a few near feria zone. Occupy, sign up for a power connection, and get an address.
BingoBoingo: !!up amberglint
deedbot: amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fella has key, can self-power
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes. << Pasta base is reportely a hell of a drug and it is not a free drug
asciilifeform: wassat?
amberglint: BingoBoingo: I was about to up myself, but thanks :)
BingoBoingo: The local favored cocaine alkaloid
asciilifeform: ah
BingoBoingo: Like crack, but instead of smoking it normally gets gummed
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: sounds approx as appealing as krokodil
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876938 << there was also a Soviet Refal machine: http://www.keldysh.ru/papers/2003/source/prep2003_99.doc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 00:35 asciilifeform: 'Before leaving this subject, I should mention that there have been a number of interesting LISP Machine designs done outside the U.S., particularly in Japan. For example, see [Hayashi]' << asciilifeform once spent coupla months trying to dig up these. and europistan's 'racal norsk' also. found ~0.
asciilifeform: amberglint: i'm familiar
asciilifeform: was last-days thing
amberglint: and the end of the paper mentions a Soviet Lisp machine
amberglint: "После завершения работ по ЕС-2702 были начаты работы по аппаратной реализации языка Лисп. Эти работы были стимулированы всплеском интереса к задачам искусственного интеллекта."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sounds approx as appealing as krokodil << Use is pretty much exclusive to pichis and children
asciilifeform: amberglint: also familiar. it went to same place as all the non-pdpclone su stuff.
asciilifeform: i.e. /dev/null
amberglint: that's a shame
amberglint: why the hell Soviets were so hell-bent on not doing anything original ☟︎
asciilifeform: managerial decision, some time circa 1978. we had thread here. old fart proclaimed 'use warez from usa, why pay software dev'
amberglint: these days Russia buys outdated fabs from AMD and IBM
asciilifeform: rents now. taiwan.
asciilifeform: !#s elbrus
a111: 94 results for "elbrus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=elbrus
asciilifeform: ^ see also
amberglint: that too
amberglint: AMD fab was gathering dust for ~7 years before it was recently put to any use
asciilifeform: and they fab photoclones of ameri-crud.
asciilifeform: today just like in 1978.
asciilifeform: possibly not 1 actual native designer left alive.
amberglint: the Elbrus designers can count as native, no?
asciilifeform: old elbrus
asciilifeform: 1972.
asciilifeform: current one is a 'sparc'
amberglint: really? afaik it's a VLIW that has nothing to do with SPARC
asciilifeform: there's 2 , 1 clone of 'itanic', 1 of sparc iirc
asciilifeform: neither seems to exist on commercial markets anywhere
amberglint: I've tried to obtain any docs for the VLIW thing, but it's under NDA for some reason ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform and then mircea_popescu variously attempted to buy , 0 to show for it )
asciilifeform: its under nda cuz it's dead-certainly a crude ripoff of existing ameri-trash
amberglint: someone found the compiler for it though: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/14502270
asciilifeform: same reason the video card crapolas are closed source
amberglint: the lead designer of the VLIW Elbrus was later hired away by Intel
asciilifeform: in fact looks like itanium.
asciilifeform: aka 'the itanic'
asciilifeform: amberglint: recall how microshit hired away entire staff of borland ?
asciilifeform: famously sent limousine to pick them ALL up on same evening
asciilifeform: nomoar borland.
amberglint: asciilifeform: never heard of the limousine, but I know that C# was made by Delphi people
asciilifeform: and arm64 by hired-away DEC alpha folx
asciilifeform: ( after which nomoar dec alpha )
asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~ ☟︎
amberglint: the Chinese apparently borrowed Alpha for their homegrown arch
asciilifeform: ... and microcode was documented, os writer could add new instrs
asciilifeform: none of the chinese archs, interestingly, available commercially either
asciilifeform: rather like elbrus.
asciilifeform: 100% for internal use.
asciilifeform: i've been trying to buy a 'loongson' for 5+yrs nao.
asciilifeform: no canhaz.
amberglint: oddly enough, there's a university textbook on Elbrus, no instruction set there either: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/book_121130.pdf
asciilifeform: ( then they went and ~licensed~ american mips. and i stopped wanting to buy. i can buy mips already )
asciilifeform: mega-textbook, with no instr set, lol
asciilifeform: reads more like commercial brochure.
asciilifeform: pretty odd thing, has bus timings etc but indeed no instr set.
asciilifeform: wtf
asciilifeform: what the fuck is wrong with these people.
asciilifeform: they seem to be heavily fucked in the head. ☟︎
amberglint: yet "Рекомендовано ... в качестве учебного пособия для студентов высших учебных заведений"
asciilifeform: but ofcourse.
asciilifeform: i have a b00k like that here, 'учебное пособие по криптографии' somthing or other. which fails to contain rsa.
asciilifeform: some meathead minister signed off on it, and guesswat, it's Official textbook nao! in some shithole
amberglint: do you know that Elbrus has a youtube channel for some reason? it's pretty strange: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6pnRoVljXKpo5bgkVyQMJg
asciilifeform: lol 'can overclock elbrus ?'
asciilifeform: i.e. == 'can butcher loch ness monster ? can make sausage?'
amberglint: he also tries to sell it as a GTA and Doom machine
asciilifeform: prolly satire
asciilifeform: i dun think any plebe has laid hands on the thing or ever will
amberglint: he works at MCST
asciilifeform: well i dun work there , lol , so cannot say whether he does or no. but still funny.
asciilifeform: wake me up when they make a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865375 , + open docs like http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 14:21 asciilifeform: fabricate it in 1uM or similar 1980s process. package with optical quartz lid , a la old EPROMs, for audit-with-childrens-microscope.
asciilifeform: as it is, they've copied ALL of the ameri-idiocies, incl. 'closed errything'
asciilifeform: intel is rubbish, but at least i can go to junkyard and get it.
asciilifeform: 'elbrus' can get in dreams only.
amberglint: I wonder why do they even bother with this junk
asciilifeform: 'sovereignty'
asciilifeform: !!up amberglint
deedbot: amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: why not ask why mcst makes pentium clone. to run winblowz on.
asciilifeform: ( it does )
asciilifeform: what kind of sense does ~that~ make.
amberglint: the 'sovereign' fabs all run Cadence and Mentor Graphics stuff
asciilifeform: indeed they do
asciilifeform: on mswin.
asciilifeform: on, i'll add, imported intels.
asciilifeform: last yr ( and before ) i talked to a coupla ic fabs, in various countries. they all not only run winshit but demand that you use their 'standard cells', which available (surprise?) under nda
asciilifeform: as cadence crapola
asciilifeform: whole biz is rotten from head to feet.
amberglint: I've seen some open 130nm PDK for Magic CAD recently somewhere, can't find it
asciilifeform: pcb fabs, much more pedestrian affair, are run sanely, they eat PNGs and text file of coords/rotations for placer robot.
asciilifeform: but for some reason no ic fab does.
asciilifeform: concern appears to be 'But Our Seekrit Process Chem!1111'
asciilifeform: ( at 'modern' micronicities, fab process is no longer standard but custom to the chem, and entirely diff at each fab house. hence the proprietary tooling crapolade. )
amberglint: what about this? https://www.mosis.com/pages/design/flows/design-flow-scmos-kits
asciilifeform: !#s mosis
a111: 7 results for "mosis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mosis
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: approx same thing.
asciilifeform: there was a french one also, similar.
asciilifeform: + they charge weight in diamonds, per die.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865751 << see also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 05:14 asciilifeform: there's a coupla 'small scale' fabs, but on close examination smell like ripoff, they ship with literally 0 guarantee of yield , and in laughable qty , and with laughable transistor count, and -- to add insult to injury -- die packaging not included, you gotta somehow find someone to do it, somewhere
amberglint: at least they eat input from Magic CAD without NDA crap?
asciilifeform: claims, at least.
asciilifeform not tried, and not about to pay 1000 $ ea. for ~unpackaged~ may-or-may-not-work dies
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's hypothesis was that the whole thing is an 'idiot tax' for people who don't know how to get'em made in cn
asciilifeform: but we currently have 0 penetration into cn, so i've nothing to add to this yet
asciilifeform: there's arguably 2 separate problems at hand : 1) how to bake an ic such that it's an actual economic proposition, rather than resembling that car e. musk launched to mars 2) to get it done by someone other than malicious winshit-idiots . both -- currently open problems.
asciilifeform: i , for instance, dun have with what to launch car into mars. mircea_popescu -- has with what, but is smart enuff not to.
amberglint: has anyone tried to reverse-engineer Cadence shit? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but we currently have 0 penetration into cn, so i've nothing to add to this yet << Chinese tend to have more trouble with the letter "rr" than I do
asciilifeform: amberglint: not only not afaik; but even ~microshit word doc~ format not fully reversed yet.
asciilifeform: it's a moving target, elementarily
asciilifeform: by the time someone reverses, they change it, and force the idjit users to 'upgrade' ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they aint got a 'r'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently not. Not in the sense spanish has two of them.
asciilifeform: not in any sense.
asciilifeform: it aint phonemic to'em.
asciilifeform: sorta how the hindu glottal 'd' isn't to us.
asciilifeform: or those horrid 3 variant of thorn the arabs have.
BingoBoingo: Short walk (other side of front door) to the feria https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457798235-en-cordon-_JM
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw we definitely walked past that.
BingoBoingo: We did indeed
asciilifeform: wai no inside pics
asciilifeform: prolly trashed ?
asciilifeform: and that's a washington price. these people have fucked heads.
asciilifeform: even if cut it in half.
BingoBoingo: Inside prolly trashed
asciilifeform: i bet they get tax writeoff for 'not sold or rented it this yr, just like last 20 yrs' like ameritards get
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and that's a washington price. these people have fucked heads. << Well, how many dindus does Washington have vs how many Montevideo has
asciilifeform: still riotous
amberglint: asciilifeform: someone at UC Berkeley tried to suck grantolade by welding hardware GC to RISC-V: https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maas/papers/maas-asbd16-hwgc.pdf
asciilifeform: amberglint: even sun flirted with iron gc, in '90s
asciilifeform: went nowhere
asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg ☟︎
amberglint: lol yeah
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet they get tax writeoff for 'not sold or rented it this yr, just like last 20 yrs' like ameritards get << Well property taxes here like income taxes are relatively low.
BingoBoingo: IVA's the bitch
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then it's straight miami 'I AM WORTH!' delusionism, i guess
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta talk em down
asciilifeform: amberglint: gc without tagged words is a lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for comparison : 100k in ye olde ro buys any of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743485 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 00:02 asciilifeform: other typical items : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_mansion.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_mansion_2.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_factory.jpg
asciilifeform: and , for all i know, would buy a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743464 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 23:46 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_1.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_2.jpg << subj ( and it dun fit in 1 frame, even )
asciilifeform: ( what the 'catch' is , iirc was discussed in the l0gz )
asciilifeform: i dun think i in entire life saw bldgs as sweet as the ones in timis.
asciilifeform: ( or smelled air as clean )
asciilifeform: or ate food as edible. etc
asciilifeform: it was a fuckin' valhalla ( admittedly, valhalla only while yer jacket pockets are fulla green )
asciilifeform: whatever pantsuitocalypse had killed it in mircea_popescu's eyes, was not detectable to my instruments.
asciilifeform: ( perhaps if one tried to set up there, would find out.. )
asciilifeform: beautifully depopulated , too, 0 crowds, 0 queues. sorta like a hypothetical bunenos aires after redditbagging complete.
BingoBoingo: And what happens when the somali syrian refugees walk there?
asciilifeform: they starve.
asciilifeform: hence why not walked.
asciilifeform: they haven't invented payola there yet.
asciilifeform: ( just like in ru -- 'refugees' only went to ru while finland border were open )
BingoBoingo: I thought they uninvented it
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: out of what, would they.
BingoBoingo: Well, they had the whole communism thing where mircea_popescu got a silver spoon and everyone else payola
asciilifeform: ah that
asciilifeform: that world -- gone
asciilifeform: currently it's a mostly empty country, with a few 'mercedes' plants as 'economy'
asciilifeform: ( in bucharest there's a microshit bldg, where they keep amstan 's . but that's afaik more or less it ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i went to a zoo. there was ONE other visitor, a brit.
asciilifeform: ( was there for ~4hrs, very relaxy spot. ~no other folx. )
asciilifeform: somehow montevideo with , what, 2mil+ people, can't keep a zoo open
asciilifeform: and timis with maybe 100k people, can
asciilifeform: i have nfi how it is even possible to have ~empty town where ~erry other walker you see on the sidewalk is a hot chix.
asciilifeform: but somehow there it was.
asciilifeform: ( or how meal that can't be bought in usa for $1000+ can cost 10 . )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> somehow montevideo with , what, 2mil+ people, can't keep a zoo open << Aparently there is another newer zoo
asciilifeform: oh hah. been to it yet ?
BingoBoingo: But less conveniently located
BingoBoingo: It's part of a "park" in favela land
asciilifeform: ugh
BingoBoingo: Neighborhood may not be that bad, but it is at least a bus ride away in a direction that leaves me unenthused
asciilifeform: prolly worth going 1ce.
asciilifeform: gotta colour in that map.
BingoBoingo: There's another zoo not far in Atlantida, on the to visit list
asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe that's where they sell hdds..
BingoBoingo: https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-454535504-local-industrial-o-deposito-union-500-m2-galpon-_JM << SEM home
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: operating factory with 3-phase service
asciilifeform: this thread leads to drink, so i'ma stop here for nao, off to non-electronic room, bbl. ☟︎
mircea_popescu has just drank, can then pick it uo
mircea_popescu: in the other lulz : LordMPofTMSR 38M Master ~~~1y~~~~ "How goes ?" mermaidkynna 25F sub 4h "Good"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876836 << whole fucking idea is to a) lighten the load of dying empire ; b) round the coffers of republican corps to better divorce from vagaries of usg faux "market". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 22:31 asciilifeform: prolly oughta add that surplus SEM in particular ( and similar irons ) 1) generally live in usa 2) dun exactly fit in smuggle-trunk under old shirts
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876843 << sort of thing that makes me suspicious of the whole "good science" theory etc. but, won't rehash, pretty sure we did that already to the point it died of end mommentum. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 22:37 asciilifeform: i still can't fucking believe that d00d. 'my experiment requires 3 litres of virgin tears' 'hey al, i took 300 virgins and ran then rom-coms until they cried 3L, here it is in a mason jar' 'but! reasons!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876855 << pretty sure this actually occured kek. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 22:41 asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately picture that story where 'abrams' tank was smuggled to su in diplo-crates, piecemeal
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876876 << makes chainsaws too you know :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 22:56 asciilifeform: it's rather like a 'caterpillar'. how many folx do you know who have own 'caterpillar' and dun work it erry day for daily bread.
mircea_popescu: \http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876891 << kinda the problem, this is how airports end up owning a fleet of eg iceploughs : "we only need them 3 days each decade -- but as it happens it's always the exact fucking three day you can't possibly fucking find one to rent, of these items that otherwise go for 500 a day." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 23:03 BingoBoingo: Having a rebuilt caterpillar is usually a result of it being inconvenient to rent when it brings the most convenience
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876903 << something like that, yeah. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 23:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a biz, there are folx who do it, i've talked to half dozen of'em last yr ( all in cn , 0 in latrine america ) -- but i dun presently know how to break into it
mircea_popescu: "Rice, 30, first claimed to have raised $300m from AriseBank's coin offering, then upped that figure to $600m, and later promised this could be the first billion-dollar crypto-dosh offering. However, despite all that publicity and hype, it is claimed hundreds of punters invested just $4.25m in exchange for the bank's tokens." << keks. and this is after usg multiply-magic, "we found 777 kgs of cocaine in the shape of a toyota
mircea_popescu: plasticar whose glove compartment held a dime bag. whole item weight -- counts".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876937 << this sorta thing... "picture what naggum could've done with vtrees and wots" etc. if only netwon had neutron gun! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 00:33 asciilifeform: picture what those folx could've done with modern fab.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 00:38 asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:55 mircea_popescu: led to the usual symptoms of imperial decay -- monetization of real estate (a bad idea throughout, even if it repatriated the money japs made selling toyotas/sinking detroit in the 70s -- sorta like arsenic is bad for you even if it "keeps syphilis inactive" and so on) ; the star model driving and being driven by the fashion cycle, and so the fuck on.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876950 << -- >> http://trilema.com/2013/let-me-tell-you-about-jean-moscopol/#selection-795.377-795.435 ; germany quite same situation. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 00:43 asciilifeform: from looking with the right magnifying glass, asciilifeform formed distinct impression that jp was raped by usg in erry hole not once, as ordinarily supposed, but ~twice~.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877034 << weird "saving self" thing, like the indians have with ejaculation. seems nutty enough if expressed, but it's kinda my takeaway, soviet thought "last man to think wins". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:12 amberglint: why the hell Soviets were so hell-bent on not doing anything original
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877053 << the "AriseBank" reason. there's this large class of idle idiots who think "secrecy" might be confused with value. much like there's a cloud of fat stupid old women not even the dogs would fuck, who imagine they're being coy. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:17 amberglint: I've tried to obtain any docs for the VLIW thing, but it's under NDA for some reason
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877082 << lmao. those two lines eminently bashable. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:27 asciilifeform: they seem to be heavily fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ? ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:59 amberglint: has anyone tried to reverse-engineer Cadence shit?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877191 << is one in timisoara also, "alcatel" of all things. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:32 asciilifeform: ( in bucharest there's a microshit bldg, where they keep amstan 's . but that's afaik more or less it )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:41 asciilifeform: this thread leads to drink, so i'ma stop here for nao, off to non-electronic room, bbl.
BingoBoingo: Sounds about right
BingoBoingo: Now if you want to see delusional cranked up a few notches... There's Paraguay https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.py/MPY-400223044-vendo-quinta-en-minga-guazu-alto-paranakm-185codg38-_JM
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877242 << getting more 'sovereignty' which supposedly impelled the ru gov to buy the fabs in the first place, could gradually replace the IC software stack with something homegrown if cared; nothing to impel anyone without those fabs, of course ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell amberglint your last line ties into the real estate thread. Easier to buy things than make things or have them made
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In the Qntra comments: http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-120995 ☟︎
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/clinton-foreign-kickbacks-whistleblower-raided-by-fbi/ << Qntra - Clinton Foreign Kickbacks Whistleblower Raided By FBI ☟︎
BingoBoingo: In sad news normally the kiosko on my block would be open today. It is not. Apparently grab and run shoplifting kills margins here.
BingoBoingo: Also many apologies, this should have been linked much more in the past http://trilema.com/2013/simple-yet-effective-way-to-troll-white-rich-american-people/
BingoBoingo: And 'n further lulz not-President McCain gets more funeral time than Jorge Walker Bush I
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell danielpbarron If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: i will consider a visit with or without the karaoke
lobbesbot: danielpbarron: Sent 2 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877254 << pretty lulzy, and apparently not a joak -- indeed some folx, somewhere, habitually move 20-30k coin in 1 shot, and doing it with prb and onto segshitaddrs ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 16:44 BingoBoingo: In the Qntra comments: http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-120995
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875012 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:55 asciilifeform: but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Given that your system makes partnerships and joint ventures difficult, have you given thought to services you could offer the republic or your church which might justify racking a box?
danielpbarron: the church doesn't need one; maybe some day they could use shared hosting if whatever they use now gets shut down
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877231 << not familiar with story; canhaz link ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar.
asciilifeform: ( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'i must bite' 'you will drown'
danielpbarron: as for me, there is the poker bot that i haven't done yet, but i don't know that it needs its own whole machine
asciilifeform: rly, danielpbarron , you'd make a poker without rng ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, something must be said for the parallels between an independent box and a sort of temple.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, i was thinking i could make a big binary file with FG at home, and send it to the bot
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: we have a thread re the problem of storing rng.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838855 << e.g. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 22:03 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as data that is all three of 1) random ; 2) useful and 3) buffered.
danielpbarron: ah, ok
asciilifeform: if you stored rng, and somebody gets a peek...
danielpbarron: the poker bot spec includes seeds from each individual player. would that make it ok, or still bad?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877236 << not my reading. there was plenty of interesting, original work , it was fatwa'd in late '70s by brezhnev's bean counters, who did not see the problem with 'copy DEC and use foreign soft, better cheaper faster' etc ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877034 << weird "saving self" thing, like the indians have with ejaculation. seems nutty enough if expressed, but it's kinda my takeaway, soviet thought "last man to think wins".
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: seems like in that case you dun need any rng at all
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu described a similar scheme a few yrs ago
danielpbarron: it's his spec
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: then i'ma leave it alone, prolly contains complete algo
asciilifeform: ( can't recall from memory )
danielpbarron: pretty sure it was RNG + player seeds, publish after hand/game
danielpbarron: the player seeds would be buffered too tho, so i guess it's still the same problem
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877246 << ~same price as in the boonies in usa ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: yer on a computer, errything is at least slightly buffered. problem with 'here's a year worth of rng' is 1) somebody gets to it 2) what when you run through ?
danielpbarron: what time frame is acceptable? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun expect this is a q having a straight mathematical answer
asciilifeform: will depend on your taste / risk tolerance
asciilifeform: FG buffers 2 bytes.
asciilifeform: ( i recommend to read the sores , you will learn how asciilifeform approached the whole rng biz )
lobbes: danielpbarron: fwiw my pizarro rockchip has served me well thus far as a home for both auctionbot and for mp-wp. Hell, you could run a mirror for your church's www in the event it goes down AND host the poker bot
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/pantsuit-religious-figure-neil-degrasse-tyson-hit-with-bad-touch-allegations/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Religious Figure Neil deGrasse Tyson Hit With "Bad Touch" Allegations
danielpbarron: yeah that's something to consider ☟︎
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: consider. there's also FG option for rk.
danielpbarron: gotta make it first tho, shared hosting is fine for my blog in the meantime
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I suspect for gambling danielpbarron will want a "closed" box
danielpbarron: what's the legality of such a thing? bot hosted in uraguay but operater lives in US
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: theoretically inevitable gasenwagen. but in practice prolly depends on whether anybody actually uses.
danielpbarron: i don't care so much about gaswagon; Bible says to obey laws
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: then definite haram
BingoBoingo: It's uruguay, as long as you don't advertise Uruguay marijuana to Uruguayos they don't care much, otherwise fall back to http://trilema.com/2013/simple-yet-effective-way-to-troll-white-rich-american-people/ nuclear option
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if he's into 'give unto caesar' it's defo haram, in usa 'gamble' ~= terrorism(tm)
BingoBoingo: Our beloved Bitcoin MUD has been running since 2009
asciilifeform: vegas dun like competition.
danielpbarron: pretty sure they got micon of seals with clubs in a very similar situation
BingoBoingo: Miconazole got fucked for being stupid
danielpbarron: doesn't stop me from writing a bot
BingoBoingo: Anyways you take the ears off of a Qntra 9" deep rackmount box and it fits in a medium sized 24" checked bag
asciilifeform: usg claims ownership of all gamblers, http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-133.0-140.0 - style; and thereby prosecutes pokerists in same style as e.g. cig smugglers in nyc
BingoBoingo: No rails to fuck with because ass isn't heavy enough to need them
BingoBoingo has yet to see FBI raid on MVD shopping casino
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they dun bother going to foreign rack, normally, if it suffices to pick up 'evil mastermind' who conveniently sits in the reich
asciilifeform: incidentally, danielpbarron , iirc yer a money man, wtf are you still doing parked in the reich ??
danielpbarron: even if i knew for sure somehow that i'd never get picked up, my conscience wouldn't be clear
danielpbarron: church is in reich
asciilifeform: i'm here cuz i'ma pauper. why are you in the reich danielpbarron ?
asciilifeform: i thought church was wherever 3 believers sat under 1 roof
asciilifeform: or am i out of date on subj
danielpbarron: i don't know of any believers anywhere else
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: can you move'em ? jim jones somehow managed, lol
danielpbarron: i'm not poor but i can't do that
asciilifeform: sad if troo. eventually they'll not only pick the lot of you up, but you'll sit with 'bad conscience' ( why , exactly ? in ru old believers sat for decades in prisons with 100% clear consciences )
asciilifeform: last i recall, being tortured by heathen 'state' is +9000 martyrdom points ( but then again i might be out of date ? )
BingoBoingo: If it wasn't for the datacenter need, Peru, costal Colombia, or Atlantida, Uruguay would have been places to colonize
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he doesn't actually need to live next door to the rack
BingoBoingo: Which is why I am slowly expanding his bullseye
BingoBoingo: Durazno department, Uruguay s basically Oklahoma with orchards
BingoBoingo: I can't speak for Brasil other than Brasileros like to come here to escape beach crimes against their persons and property
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877242 << fwiw 'cadence' has ~monopoly not only on ic cad, but on 'heavy industrial' pcb cad, for 16+ layers mobo etc. i actually one time tried to use it, warez , winblowz box, & all, it was monstrously gnarly, loathesome. but if yer making sumthing with 100,000s of netlist nodes, dozens of pcb layers, ball grid ics with 1,000s of balls, yer more or less stuck with it. i've avoided strictly by virt ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
asciilifeform: ue of making 'small' (e.g. FG) items, to date.
asciilifeform: ( observe that even FG i had to design on a warez cad, after wasting ~months~ on trying 'open sores' variants; but at least it was much lighter-weight / non-winblowz item. still had to be cracked, & run on a 'toilet'. )
asciilifeform: !#s cadsoft
a111: 8 results for "cadsoft", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cadsoft
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cad is 1 of the open problems for which a bolix clone would be +9000 mechanical lever.
asciilifeform: MUCH easier to write on top of a sane os, with sane raster graphics stack etc, than on anyffing we presently have.
asciilifeform: that very 'ns' which amberglint cracked, and on which 'ivory' was baked, was 20k loc !!
asciilifeform: ( and it did both chips AND pcb AND motherfucking signal simulations !! )
asciilifeform: and -- will point out -- ran on the 3600 series boxen, where 4MB was 'princely' ram, and 2MHz was cpu clock.
asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: In local news, lol pichis https://www.subrayado.com.uy/cuidacoches-que-exigen-dinero-una-falta-que-se-denuncia-poco-y-no-se-puede-erradicar-n520297
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf again is a pichi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A pichi is a bum
BingoBoingo: So named because they make the streets smell like piss
asciilifeform: hrm, i thought they were ethnics ( incas who somehow slipped from the spanish mines ? )
BingoBoingo: Nah, mostly pale Italian stock
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi
BingoBoingo: Sure, how many people in traffic safety vests did we walk past?
asciilifeform: these were bums?!
BingoBoingo: Yes, to varying depths
BingoBoingo: "Ciudado coches" i.e. begging for alms to not injure parked cars
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that brazil used to shoot these right on the spot, a++ approach, but possibly this was in the good old days and nomoar
BingoBoingo: Nominally what they get paid for is helping people back their cars out, but...
BingoBoingo: Mostly they sell paraguay brick weed to lower unvested pichis
BingoBoingo: (pronounced paraguaSH)
asciilifeform: but of course SH
asciilifeform: like argentards
BingoBoingo: Well, the noun is pronounced Paraguway, but the adjective is pronounced ParaguaSH
asciilifeform: yea straight s/ll/sh
asciilifeform: iirc whole bottom half of south amer is likethat
asciilifeform: 'casteshano'
BingoBoingo: With whatever the fuck Y does being a coinflip
BingoBoingo: But yes, the vest people interested in cars are a sort of bum
asciilifeform: here in northern reich we have 'lemme wash yer car' bums but for the most part they dun dare to molest parked vehicle
asciilifeform: it's rather like molestation of cow in india ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Official Blue vests sold their souls for more rules, Orange and yellow vests just want to get high and delay their own mortality
asciilifeform: will 'have problems' quickly
BingoBoingo: There are intersection "car wash" bums too, but they have problems
BingoBoingo: Lack of intersections that allow them time to make their pitch, and they get seen touching cars
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence ☟︎
asciilifeform: clearly a market for spiked rear bumpers!111
BingoBoingo: It's what the vest folks are supposed to prevent
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 gambit still not 'final solution' to spamola -- i now get 1-2 turds in mod queue erry day. ( hats off, i guess, to the spammers who know how to xor 2 small ints.. ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
asciilifeform: maybe i'ma swap it for 1 of those 'solve this here triple integral' puzzlers that some ru forum use nao
asciilifeform: ... it is also possible that they threw in random ints and got lucky, the machine log does not rule out this hypothesis
asciilifeform: ( seems to take'em coupla dozen shots )
asciilifeform: after all answr is a 3 (decimal) digit
asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877255 << top keks. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 17:13 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/clinton-foreign-kickbacks-whistleblower-raided-by-fbi/ << Qntra - Clinton Foreign Kickbacks Whistleblower Raided By FBI
mircea_popescu: "oh, what do you mean '''orange man''' is sending pantsuited hilarity to same cell block argentine whore lives on"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877271 << was not ; and obviously ~only substantial reference to item on whole "world wide web" is trilema. because everyone else literally lives in vain, what. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:41 asciilifeform: ( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6747/24302342.1a7/0_9dea5_99e0ef8d_orig << orig ilustration, perhaps helps.
asciilifeform: https://ushinskij-konstantin-pisatel.larec-skazok.ru/orel-i-koshka << found, ty
asciilifeform: i somehow missed reading this one as a larva
asciilifeform: and yea it dun end how i thought it oughta ( i.e. both beasts keel over )
mircea_popescu: ha! nice!
mircea_popescu: nah, cat wins a pyrrhyc victory.
mircea_popescu: anyway, was over a kitten or something.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so i suppose topical : that sounds like a story she's happy to have missed. AS LARVA.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, that's the story exactly.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RukNQcnM4c << oblig vintage lul
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877283 << i'm not saying i got a read so clear i can argue anyone out of his ; but how does this reconcile with the "achieve&over-achieve" policy ; and ~everything else~ about that regime. after all, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373877 did not copy lincoln. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877236 << not my reading. there was plenty of interesting, original work , it was fatwa'd in late '70s by brezhnev's bean counters, who did not see the problem with 'copy DEC and use foreign soft, better cheaper faster' etc
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 02:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was 5-6 different regimes. sorta like end-days rome.
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: each with ~own set of braincase cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: 60s different from 70s is the argument here ?
asciilifeform: '70s was ro-style 'they'll give us yesterday's machine at today's price' sorta thing
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
asciilifeform: ( who even into '70s persisted in a belief that there's 'amazing su tech' worth fishing out of e.g. sunken su sub , with howard hughes' mega-boat ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so, you know, "as the 70s dawned, russian man came to this weird personal belief that he who thinks last wins". i suppose in a sense could be abomb-psychosis driven.
asciilifeform: and yes they fished it out. ran on those '60s pre-ics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: late 70s, piggy was running dry, tech gap becoming palpable. bean counters given problem of how to close gap at minimal cost. gave answer, 'warez'
asciilifeform: was duly implemented, imperial decree 'scrap all native comp work', largely ( if not entirely ) carried out
asciilifeform: result : lotsa DEC clones, later -- intelade
mircea_popescu: this actually makes sense.
asciilifeform: !#s bk0010
a111: 8 results for "bk0010", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bk0010
asciilifeform: ^ e.g.
asciilifeform: ^ single-chip pdp11. whole generation learned on it.
mircea_popescu: the cute 00 prefix.
asciilifeform: ( neither asciilifeform nor asciilifeform's elder brother ever saw bk in anyone's house, was ruinously expensive, but at public toilet type affairs was common )
asciilifeform: little thing, quite un-pdplike physically, approx same size and shape as mircea_popescu's spectrum clone
mircea_popescu: but let's dig into it : WHAT ~precisely~, in central substance if not in peculiars of extension, DROVE this switch from "hey hey, soviet won space race and has ics of a sort" into this "ho, ho, soviet's buying scrapyard fare at new-from-factory prices" ?
mircea_popescu: if not the above, then what ? cuz it fucking well wasn't 78 bean counters. by the time they were even asked anything, that WHAT was already two decades (ie, one generation) old.
mircea_popescu: the ~parents~ of the people who scrapped the bk decided to not be like their grandparents. why and wherefore ?
asciilifeform: i cannot presume to pin this down exactly. will share hypothesis tho : '50s-'60s su excelled at 'castles' , 'institutional' mega-constructions. venus rocket is a pyramid. but ic is a konsoomer-driven affair
mircea_popescu: it is eminently not.
mircea_popescu: "the world has space for maybe 4 ic pyramids".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866014 sense ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 16:56 asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily.
asciilifeform: it is stupidly expensive if you can't amortize
mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
asciilifeform: rright but this one here's a tech deadend
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this concept of "amortize" as you use here is EXACTLY of the nature of brejnev's economic thinking
mircea_popescu: 100% hallucinatory.
asciilifeform: nobody yet invented how to bake ic 'faberge' style
mircea_popescu: soviets did, actually.
asciilifeform: the 1st unit costs million and the second -- penny
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is referring to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877417 item, it wasn't troo ic , but capsule with coupla dozen diodes/transistors. moar like small pcb. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:38 asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos
asciilifeform: the amerifolx were quite disappointed when they found out.
asciilifeform: ( it doesn't lsi, much less vlsi )
mircea_popescu: take ro programme : romania never scrapped theirs (was one of ~many~ items ceausescu rightfully called moscow http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm over.
asciilifeform: which ? where they baked z80 clone ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and the ro made items were ~industrial automation~. the hardware at my house was "officially" being hard at work doing shit for hotels and textile mills.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform looked for a native ro cpu, but never found )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ya, we had an 'iskra' that 'doing hard work in tank targeter comp'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i'm not discussing end results. a tiny country on the black sea isn't gonna outrun us/su, it ain't fucking finland.
asciilifeform: 8086 clone
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing the orientation here.
asciilifeform: hey bulgaria even smaller, but did also build z80
asciilifeform: and ddr actually managed at least 1 native ic
mircea_popescu: point being, "technical calculus institute" still stood in 1990 for random morons (whom ceausescu DID send to mandatory military training, 16 months, taught how to fire and everyhthing) could stand on the roof of "to guard", profiled on the blue romanian skies so they could be shot from any of the surrounding hills
mircea_popescu: if anyone cared to. which nobody did. but anyway!
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it was "brejnev's bean counters" that told soviet man to be stupid ; much as i doubt it was ceausescu who told morons to be morons, and IGNORE 16 months of their own life because "didn't sign up for this", and not eat the fucking fish because "how dares owner think of us as cattle when that's exactly what we are", and so on.
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there's a serious fucktardation risk factor one gets from being chronically broke
mircea_popescu: not because mit didn't try telling, which it did, of course, but because it's evident the telling does exactly nothing, and mit sitting about going "oh, symbolics fuckards because we told them to" exactly like inca sun priest going "sun rises cuz we told it to!"
asciilifeform: makes for bias for 'easy answers'
mircea_popescu: not in my experience.
mircea_popescu: romania was never as broke as in the 90s, at least not since the 30s. and it never in its history gave as good answers to fundamental problems.
asciilifeform: well i did say 'chronically', not ' mircea_popescu that 1 time he forgot his wallet at home '
mircea_popescu: including all, down the way to young women understanding http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ is what they're for, and any and all pointsd.
mircea_popescu: how long does chronically take ? because su was not that poor in 60s.
asciilifeform: there is also the 'install base pressure'. recall mircea_popescu's serpent thread, when looked like it may have to be scrapped, 'motherfucker, i built battleship on this thing and NOW you say to scrap'
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so in '70s was pressure, nato tank has 8bit comp for targeting rockets, so su tank also gotta, etc
mircea_popescu: so your idea is that su military complex toppled thinking man into moron pot ?!
asciilifeform: but nato could amortize cost of that z80 by selling in atari.
asciilifeform: su could not
asciilifeform: ended up paying 9000x moar per unit, straight out of treasury
mircea_popescu: this makes so zero fucking sense to me...
asciilifeform: it makes sense if you stop & think how ic baked.
asciilifeform: the real open q is 'why could su NOT also sell in atari'
asciilifeform: to this i do not know answer.
asciilifeform: they ~did~ ftr figure out 'make toys with tank comp cpu', but 10yrs too late
asciilifeform: in '88 or so.
mircea_popescu: not even, that's losing into details.
asciilifeform: when it could not possibly make diff.
mircea_popescu: recall man who said to stalin "i suppose you could do that... but then..." ?
mircea_popescu: where's this man's son ? name him ?
asciilifeform: kurchatov
asciilifeform: i dunno whether he had sons
mircea_popescu: no, name the son.
asciilifeform: ( stalin's sons also both died, 1 in germany and 1 in bottle , before '50s over )
mircea_popescu: i mean metaphorically! wtf, that conversation happened in the 40s.
mircea_popescu: where's the 60s ?
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: nobody afaik. that generation was the last with serious spine.
mircea_popescu: see, this is my point : at some point somewhere around the 60s, kurchatov jr decided he's gonna... ?
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of my original claim. it seems to me russian man decided not to think. and this has no bearing on "cocksucker said". nobody yet has listened to the cocksuckers.
asciilifeform: usa also had a figure who resisted '1024 chickens' (his phrase!) -- s. cray
asciilifeform: died, crashed his bugati
mircea_popescu: very different dynamic in the us -- no wot there.
asciilifeform: after that, nomoar interesting irons, fullstop.
mircea_popescu: they're literally 1024 chickens, inconsequentially "democratic", fighting the "corruption" of meaning.
mircea_popescu: it's a country adequate to the time and needs of jefferson, it'd make the best agrarian 1700s the world has ever seen.
mircea_popescu: of course, the chinese don't need that for anything, but w/e.
asciilifeform: the aspec of this that stands out to asciilifeform's eye is that ic biz is moar like venus rocket than anyffing else. can't exactly save pennies from sofa cushion and upstart 'against establishment'
asciilifeform: unless yer unspeakably loaded ( in usa this existed, and so there ~were~ 'bolixes', oddball affairs that were not 'pdp clone' )
mircea_popescu: it's my considered opinion that taking "the american experience" into consideration for any practical purpose is fundamentally stupid. might as well think in terms of "hey mr wright, this bird of yours is ok, but does it lay eggs ?"
asciilifeform: like or not, most of ic formative yrs happened in (old) usa
asciilifeform: just as e.g. organic chem is a german biz, by birth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform establishment is never looking to crash and burn. not ever. brejnev "nixed" su ic in the exact sense of "happiness" from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877404 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost."
mircea_popescu: lyonya25 "is happy to be rid of them"
asciilifeform: he was told by viziers that the only approach that has remote chance of staying solvent, was to copy ameri-tech. it had track record of working, surface to air rocket was copied at penny to the dollar of original cost, and worked a++ (still fielded in fact, from that period even)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those formative years are eminently not "amortize" in the batshit insane nonsense of having people-of-walmart involved.
asciilifeform: so he went with 'obvious' thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, what the everloving fuck, if tomorrow i wake up with the notion evertyone in tmsr gotta get circumcised you're gonna do it ?! brejnev was not this popular or respected, not at any point in his life.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, you've got the chain powering the saw over here.
asciilifeform: i currently dun grasp what hole mircea_popescu sees in the 'amortize via konsoomer' hypothesis. near as i can tell, it was the exact pattern. 6502 was initially costly, and cost dropped precisely in proportion to how popular 'atari'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: it is really mega-mystery that device where nonrecoverable tooling cost is comparable to satellite rocket , is intensely start-topology/centralized affair in management ?
asciilifeform: *star-topology
asciilifeform: for that matter, brezhnev wasn't 'popular' any moar than steve ballmer was popular.
mircea_popescu: let's take this one at a time. do you in fact understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: was simply on throne.
asciilifeform: i dun get how it plugs in
asciilifeform: where's the 'egg' here
mircea_popescu: nevermind that part, i'll explain that in the next step.
asciilifeform: ok...
mircea_popescu: take things one at a time.
asciilifeform will brb in 5m, eat buffer
asciilifeform back
asciilifeform: what's the step?
mircea_popescu: what is the hole in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: dunno what's the formula being sought, but how about that they don't, that can go to where built and see that it's factory and not farm ?
mircea_popescu: right. let's formalize :
asciilifeform as a larva, was taken to a su plastics factory where father was commissioning sumthing-or-other cover for some mechanism. and learned not only how plastic objects made, but why he 'no canhaz' custom one
mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: of staying airborne, weight kills. so therefore, it makes way the fuck more sense to have iron bird's ovopositor on the ground, and construct a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 rather than attempt a http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ " ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
mircea_popescu: now then, the next step :
asciilifeform: 'here's d00d with milling machine, he and assistant made this mold, took week, can you pay him for a week? not that it matters, he's booked 365d/y '
mircea_popescu: the notion of "soviet computer work amortizing" is EXACTLY this sort of "naive extension". the ~very concept~ of "amortization" exactly mirrors the concept of "reproduction" in the previous step : you are using a naive notion that you're trying to extend naively.
mircea_popescu: amortization is ~not meaningful~ in this context. there's nothing to ever amortize, macro-economically, that's specifically not how a country works.
asciilifeform: is contention that asciilifeform is following in the footsteps of the mythical drunk who 'could drink erry day cuz he turned in his glass' ?
mircea_popescu: country gets a set of resources each generation, and ALWAYS SPENDS THEM. there's no option to "save", the 20yos now floating about will not be cryopreserved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: since there's no saving, there's no amortization. country does or dies.
mircea_popescu: unlike bar down the street.
asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ? ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: yay! you get it~!
mircea_popescu: hence "you think the chain is powering your chainsaw".
asciilifeform: then i haven't anything to go with, i have nfi what powers chainsaw then.
mircea_popescu: well, kurchatov, strictly. as per carlyle, history exists strictly as the biography of great men.
mircea_popescu: and for ~some reason~ su went dark decade-aniversay-of-stalin-death.
asciilifeform: i'll buy.
asciilifeform: it is quite evident that there was no kurchatov in 1978.
mircea_popescu: now, what the fuck reason, i have nfi. it's comparatively clearer with the gringos, they had been sheep-following su, went off cliff eyes wide open.
mircea_popescu: (followed france before, nothing new there)
asciilifeform: consider that 'soyuz' rocket that ~still~ produced, is a korolev ('50s, but really stalin-era staff) design.
mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.
mircea_popescu: wtf happened, women stopped sucking the right part of the cock ? for seven decades ?!
asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: exactly so.
asciilifeform: ('coincidentally' su folded shop when the ~last d00ds who knew what german mg sounded like, went to grave)
mircea_popescu: main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)
asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
asciilifeform: last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.
asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?
asciilifeform: i dunno the answer any moar than the romans knew.
asciilifeform: ( recall mircea_popescu's piece with the legionnaires & their armours )
asciilifeform: there's ye olde 'comfort breeds idjicy' hypothesis, but it's a 'what' and not a 'how'
asciilifeform bbl,meat,~hr
mircea_popescu: except five minutes ago it was "chronically broke". gringos were overcomfortable. su, not so much.
mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:23 asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
mircea_popescu: n of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ). similarily, su books free, because. su collegiate education, free, because. su pineapple expensive, because who the fuck is paying dole its ransom ; but su milk cheap, because. and so on in this vein -- su hospital free, but does not work like gringo hospital. you know ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: any attempt to reconstruct this argument (yeah, but the tea -- coca leaves!!!) dies the same death, ultimately. "this nonsense could only be interesting to morons" "that's ok, we here in gringostan proud country of morons" "and how do you expect to survive on any sort of time horizon ?" "WE SPREAD AGITPROP RE BENEFITS OF STUPIDITY ALL OVER GLOBE!!! WORK PAYS LATER, LAZY PAYS NOW!!!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:31 asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
BingoBoingo: The SU may have had the loss of Stalin shock, but my generation grew up in gringostan on a solid diet of "end of history"
mircea_popescu: finally time to check out huh.
mircea_popescu: close the book, let's go to bed.
BingoBoingo: Well, 1990's
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:48 danielpbarron: what time frame is acceptable?
mircea_popescu: (talk about "since turbine, get x free" heh.)
BingoBoingo: Merkel hadn't driven this new EU thing into the Mud and the Russians had a long rebuild in front of them
mircea_popescu: yeah, west-side 90s were epically fucktarded.
BingoBoingo: At the time of 9/11 first WTC attack had largely been forgotten in favor of OKC event
mircea_popescu: "yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:51 danielpbarron: yeah that's something to consider
danielpbarron: i've got crates of pogos, is that the item in question?
mircea_popescu: fg, makes entropy.
danielpbarron: and re: timeframe above: the idea was use a FG at home to make a big binary file and then send it to the server to use
danielpbarron: oh, yeah got lots of those too
mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ? ☟︎
danielpbarron: that was re doing it from the shared host i already have
danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of that shithole.
danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform eats buffer..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877581 << gringostan usedta have an army too ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:36 mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877582 << sorta why asciilifeform is an 'old-time su' fan, of sorts. thing was run ottoman-style, 'these are our slaves, let's keep them in decent quarters, actual milk, etc', 'let's build rockets so barbarian invader thinks twice' , etc. 'phree world' sees the plebe as moar of a game animal than farm horse, 'if dies, dies'. turns out, makes for objectively shittier existence for near-errybody. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
asciilifeform: think plantation slaves vs lowell mill gurlz
asciilifeform: ( 0 typhus in former, 7-8hr workday vs 14 , etc )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-15#1299189 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:51 mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
a111: Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877589 << aa but asciilifeform had some exposure to folx who were 'old' but not quite old enuff for having been in the war. ~these~ were 'generic old'. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree".
asciilifeform: was quite apparent diff.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877602 << there's listed pricing for 'rk', 'rk + fg', you get 1 of the pizarro stash with the latter. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
asciilifeform: if you want own fg, you put it inside yer own box that you colo.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877612 << indeed. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875757 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for instance prolly good for three or four hangings, simply on what's in the l0gz
asciilifeform brb,teatime
asciilifeform: upstack, since we're connecting loose dots... father's generation pissed away su; never knew famine. grandfather's -- built, knew.
asciilifeform: for all i know you gotta have famines to get 1 ppm of kurchatovs and 1000 ppm of actual-people per se
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg never had army in the sense here contemplated. had "selective draft" or w/e.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: afaik never had 'erry d00d grunts'
mircea_popescu: which is the important part of THAT kind of army, not "winning chechen war", but "here we sit in boy hut, waiting for feathers to grow on -- if they take long time, have no one to blame but self"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877611 << what's the current state of the art re pokerism, anyway ? has it moved to 100% btc yet , or are idiots still being gassed when they cash out in paypalade and travel to reich 'vacation resorts' for no apparent reason ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:12 danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing
mircea_popescu: which is why so thoroughly reviled by the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ; especially in "male" flavouring.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same as "state of the art" of strippers, if you recall that lengthy lulz. 100% moved to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw current-day ru ( and great num of other places ) still has 'male hut' army
mircea_popescu: "we're failures and that's okay, failing makes us happy"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose goes great with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877263 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877254 << pretty lulzy, and apparently not a joak -- indeed some folx, somewhere, habitually move 20-30k coin in 1 shot, and doing it with prb and onto segshitaddrs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the technical term on my home planet for these is : жить надоело
mircea_popescu: what can you do, danielpbarron decided what he wants is to "obey laws" and NOT beat women.
asciilifeform: lit. ~= 'tired of living'
mircea_popescu: literally. yes. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
mircea_popescu: end of history, rite.
asciilifeform: pretty sad to watch
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot had a post somewhere addressed to 1 of these, 'yer already in prison'
mircea_popescu: eh, there's infinitely better things to sad over, than the idle contemplation of the intricacies of "why this goat is not boar".
mircea_popescu: kinda why "altruism" is such bunk.
asciilifeform: i dunno that goat and not boar. iirc danielpbarron used to have moar courage.
mircea_popescu: sadly it's not how it goes ; flighted duckling is not distinguished from flightless duckling by "having more flight spirit".
mircea_popescu: the calling is the only way to distinguish, it's an event not a succession.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi how flight program worx in the bird
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu can shed light
mircea_popescu: when they quack overhead, one takes off. kinda al lthere is to it.
asciilifeform: is it ? i was under impression that farm duck flies like chicken
mircea_popescu: (also kinda why duck not popular with traditional household farmers -- some domestics develop flight spontaneously)
mircea_popescu: maybe 3% or so fly.
asciilifeform: ha.
asciilifeform: but 97 % not ? wai not ?
asciilifeform: ... too fat ?
mircea_popescu: bad genetics, bad nutrition, bad culture, who the fuck knows.
mircea_popescu is not a duck expert, but afaik not that much expertise to be had. you can clip their feathers.
asciilifeform: heh like some parrot keepers do
mircea_popescu: birdlogic, you know ? "why do some cats run off and some don't ?"
BingoBoingo: Some chickens need the feather clipping too. Knock a bit off one side and all they can do are small circles
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, the pokerists -- i am led to conclude that usg's inquisition is not particularly vigorous , or the paypalistic poker dens would have gone to sane place as dodo bird
mircea_popescu: in chickens that's rather needed w/o all they do is "fly" balistically into nearest road.
asciilifeform: *same
BingoBoingo: And so it is
asciilifeform: evidently there aint enuff selection pressure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg lands are constructed out of idiots "making laws" and idiots "following laws". these two are interchangeable, and the system works well for the lowest common denominator.
asciilifeform: erry yr or so they hang 1 , ' pour encourager les autres '
mircea_popescu: nobody would even have any objection, if they didn't ineptly get into the way of actual people now and again. (though in fairness it's vastly in the sense of "bus got in way of old man").
asciilifeform: they live in a 'zoological' hatred of actual people, and nail'em whenever the occasion permits
mircea_popescu: this has not been my observation, but then again.
asciilifeform: well it dun very often permit.
mircea_popescu: imo they live in a female (see http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia/ ) hatred of beta bois pretending to my regalia. which, honestly, can hardly ever be faulted.
asciilifeform: ( recall the bacchanalia of bloodlust when defeat of ghaddaffi , among pantsuit )
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu's model is incomplete, i.e. if mircea_popescu were to for some reason http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726231 , regalia wouldn't help ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
mircea_popescu: i recall the endless hordes of pantsuit "free women" going there to whore out to him a little for a few decades. what they said at the coffin... w/e, you know how old the dood was ?
asciilifeform: 50s neh
mircea_popescu: 60s, 70s, that dude parked his pecker in more "gone to ny to be a writer" mouths than hefner.
asciilifeform has 0 specific knowledge of this, but believes
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you recall the lulz of kosygin's programme ?
asciilifeform: which ?
mircea_popescu: (likbez : su was "dictatorship", nevertheless, brejnev got place by talking to everyone about ousting nikita, which then happened even though the retard got wind of the plan, because he was a retard. just like in dictatorship amirite.
asciilifeform: recall how hrusch got his.
asciilifeform: ~same.
mircea_popescu: then brejnev let a certain kosgyn be "boss of economy". and then they had an electoral dispute, as to who should lead. kosgyn came with the lulziest perestroika v0.1a you ever saw)
asciilifeform: ( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )
mircea_popescu: his idea was, summarized by someone who's not retarded like they were : that if a) portions of industrial production get redirected to consumer goods and b) the state media finds a vanna white in the zaporoje countriside, then c) soviet union can turn into a large game of stakhanovist jeopardy.
mircea_popescu: "name how many heroic worker hours for this fridge! THE SACRIFICE IS RIGHT!!!")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beria was also fucking deranged.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked into the 'deranged', virtually 100% of the extant sources are tainted with hrusch & co.
asciilifeform: it's exactly like going with suetonius re the emperors.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: the troof, to the extent i was able to get at it, was that the d00d was ~soft~ and 'modernization'-inclined. and hence got nailed.
asciilifeform: ( and then turned into a kinda 'bluebeard' in Official Troof )
asciilifeform: what we do know was that he was kurchatov's direct boss. and presided over mind-bogglingly successful 'yesterday we had horse plow and today nuke' affair.
asciilifeform: ( whether in between being bluebeard, or not, fact remains )
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an essay where 'hey, if i strangle you, at least it'll be a man strangling you with hands, and not a cockpuppet with paper' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: see also old thrds, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850267 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843582 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294063 , ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 22:28 asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 14:27 asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'
a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:51 asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-04#1040229 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-22#1029342 , possibly else. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-04 01:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
a111: Logged on 2015-02-22 21:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on
asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma have to do a serious with-bib-refs treatment of the subj in engl., afaik none exists ! )
asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway -- the korgyn fellow is remarkable (and remarkably funny) because he managed to come up with a 100% worst-of-all-worlds plan of nonsense.
asciilifeform: ( not only su rockets -- but errywhere, incl. usa. beria's broomstick was long enuff to tickle arses across ocean just as readily as locally )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical end-days fare
mircea_popescu: imo this eminent example. kinda why we discuss orel-i-koshka in preference of whatever disney overdressed princess
asciilifeform: just picture sumbody losing an eye in a disney film
mircea_popescu: not somebody.
mircea_popescu: A MOTHER. a heroic mother, losing eye ~in performance of her unworthy of praise or much mention duties~.
asciilifeform: aaha
mircea_popescu: that's the important part there, as usual off screen : "while this was going on, dad was busy doing actually important shit -- because no, neither cat nor its spawn are it"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform recently probed pet, re whether there was a figure like e.g. matrosov, in ameri-folklore. all she could think of was a 1800s mythical character who 'died with hammer in his hand' trying to out-steam a steam hammer
mircea_popescu: sounds like germano-polish immigrant fare.
asciilifeform: i dun specifically know. but clearly vintage.
asciilifeform: likely from same era as luddite movement.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, the scientology head muppet, closer example.
asciilifeform: ( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )
mircea_popescu: this seems very not credible to me.
asciilifeform: nao i'm curious wainot
mircea_popescu: for one thing, "market system" entirely meaningless in the man's context. it's like "moses let it slip he's in favour of nuclear weapons". for the other thing, LENIN came up with the fucking neps. nobody was going to be all that indignant over rehash. in short it predicates both meaning and effect projected from an outside world.
asciilifeform: d00d was quite definitely a sort of napoleon, had all kindsa 'let's try things' inclinations.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been 'rehash of nep' that other players indignant over, but ~their removal~, d00d was, i suspect, getting set to clean house.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.
asciilifeform: at any rate this thread touches qs that are impossible to answer w/out time machine, so i'ma not put moar weight on it