phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817823 << the taps you're using are for previous release of eulora (which already had some odd issues on mac, but worked). i took a stab at updating them when the latest release came out, and enough targets moved that it was again non-trivial to build the stack. i've managed to hand build it/jerry rig homebrew to build it, but the result out of the box was working even worse (mostly i lost textures entirely). around t
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 21:57 douchebag: There appears to be an issue w/ homebrew and Eulora.
phf: hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation
☟︎ phf: crystal space has some complicated, xml based module system, and planeshift, i believe, approached that module system not necessarily from first principles either. i couldn't really devote enough time (and i spent couple of weeks on the whole thing the first time as it is) to figuring out how the whole thing is supposed to come together. it's definitely possible to run it on mac, but the effort literally costs more than buying a dedicated linux box
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817898 << guess. meanwhile some other coinbase prints a "bitcoin domination" % (spoiler : it's very low, bitcoin dun matter bla bla bla), and then WHENEVER bitcoin moves the ENTIRE list of "blockchains" and "cryptocurrencies" movesd in sync. anyone with half a fucking clue would observe that if the movement is 100% coupled then yes tyvm, bitcoin domination = 100%. but then again, democratic
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 23:28 ben_vulpes: from coinbase: "Get $10 of free Bitcoin for every user you refer!" why not eth, ltc...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 00:29 phf: hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation
mod6: i love this pic: a jar of pickled peppers? high heels, an empty plastic bag, and a map. Everything one needs!
mircea_popescu: there's coffee in the thermos ; and the jar is pickled chillies.
esthlos: trinque phf et al:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OYaGd/?raw=true << further steps on the vtron. currently it is freaking out when used with my ccl 1.11.5 . the make-temp-dir function phf provided throws an error on the first invocation, which prevents use as an executable, but oddly the function works if I return to the top level and then call it again.
esthlos: to be clear: prevents use as an executable with ccl. sbcl seems to work fine
esthlos: I'm not free again until Friday evening, so I won't be able to respond or do anything until then
trinque: esthlos: just built it, looks like it's trying to create temp keychains in root
trinque: changed the temp keychain dir to /tmp and hey! successful press!
esthlos: i've notices that the behaivor of sbcl and ccl for make-pathname is slightly different
esthlos: okay, the keychain in root should be fixed now
esthlos: but gotta sleep now. night
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 04:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, confirmed, not within scope of review.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 17:26 mircea_popescu: but anyway, im off to manage some efforts to research the world for pizarro's benefit inter alia, so bbs.
mircea_popescu: western union expects you to know a magic number ("mtcn", 10 digits) the sender is issued upon sending, and present id. the sender only needs your name and city where you pick up payment. western union will ask you a bunch of inane questions (where you live, who the sender is, how do you know them, what's the money for, etcetera) for which they require no documentation.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the first time you use a piece of id for id they'll also want a photocopy of it, and plenty of "wu locations" are in fact a counter in a pivapollo place somewhere, without a copier (they see no problem with this). about one in ten "wu locations" have not the cash on hand to make payment, and they see no problem with this, either.
mircea_popescu: (i ran 0.1 tests, so about 700 bucks. how a 10`000 sq foot of floor space electronics-and-white-goods specialist can not have made 700 bucks worth of sales by mid day is anyone's fucking guess. here is mine : nobody but me has any money.)
mircea_popescu: you can expect actual payments in your hand in 1 to 2 cases out of ten tries (defining a "try" as having initiated a tx on localbitcoins -- which btw jumps randomly for unclear reasons), worth about 90% of the lulsite price.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you can further expect a strong showing of scammers. these will be variations of "here's something, release payment". in about half the cases these are advanced enough to output some kind of official-looking falsified screenshot / whatever bizarro standards of visual certification of truth they use in their world (no, douchebag didn't come up with the screencapping on his own, it's a thing in his age-peer group, the "proof").
mircea_popescu: ted enough to issue a fake "mtcn" (number-password western union expects you to know), try to get you to release payment, and then pretend like they "cancelled" for whatever imaginary reasons when you come to complain western union didn't have it -- a splendid way to waste an hour or so in city traffic.
mircea_popescu: the vast majority of localbitcoin lusers will require ~major~ amounts of decerebrated handholding (indulging them may improve the 1 to 2 in 10 figure quoted above), in the form of incessant messenger-style confirmations and encouragements, "yes really, let's really, we're really doing this" etc etc, easily 20 dribblets / head. the damage wrought on the preteen brain of the contemporary 20something by "smart"phones and "apps"
mircea_popescu: in the end, administrative overhead (finding localbitcoinists, talking to them, talking to western union, updating the site objects according to reality in the field etcetera) comes around 2 hours / successful payment.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i would say it is an absolute requirement for pizarro to maintain a localbitcoins account and sink in the required time to build itself a network of known-good users, as these in fact appear to exist, and may constitute humanity candidates / come in useful laterally.
mircea_popescu: currencies other than eur and usd were out of scope for this amusement, though i doubt there's much meaningful existence in the "currencies other than eur and usd" category.
mircea_popescu: hey, now you know what i mean by intel / how reports look / stuffs and things.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:27 mircea_popescu: western union expects you to know a magic number ("mtcn", 10 digits) the sender is issued upon sending, and present id. the sender only needs your name and city where you pick up payment. western union will ask you a bunch of inane questions (where you live, who the sender is, how do you know them, what's the money for, etcetera) for which they require no documentation.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but it's a numbers game. what's one buy you.
mircea_popescu: the more gfs you have, the less you care about girls on the rag.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:28 mircea_popescu: you can expect actual payments in your hand in 1 to 2 cases out of ten tries (defining a "try" as having initiated a tx on localbitcoins -- which btw jumps randomly for unclear reasons), worth about 90% of the lulsite price.
mircea_popescu: nah, you lose nothing, there's a green button "release bitcoin" you don't click.
mircea_popescu: well, nothing besides administrative overhead, of course, of course. some of these are cancelled on the spot, some end up disputed, the whole ghostly dance of inexistent items trying to pretend to existence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they have an automated escrow thing, see. localbitcoins i mean. here : 1. people tender offers ; 2. you close one ; 3. they either cancel or mark it as satisfied ; 4. you check and either release payment or dispute 3.
mircea_popescu: (also, i hope everyone is reading pivopollo correctly as /pɪvopõʎɔ/, yes)
Mocky: for noobs, what does that mean, approx?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:19 phf: pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx
mircea_popescu: though i like how you gave up any hope of "what does that mean, no approx" >D
mircea_popescu: some people even like the engineer-spawned failures at commercial speech ; but seriously now, what THE FUCK do they do in highschool these days ?! the whole point of the exercise, once they gave up teaching anyone anything back in the 70s, was "you go to hs to learn how to talk to girls and businessmen".
Mocky: I enjoy it very much. It seems worthwhile i guess having something to say.
mircea_popescu: you'd almost suspect, "whoa, now that's a thinking chick, best landing page ever, bet you she sells all the pot she's trying to". except, of course, no such subtility or sophistication is ever to be suspected online. she's genuinely just
https://preview.ibb.co/e6azd8/hurr.jpg -ing about.
mod6: ave1: Looks like you maybe took your attempt at the Pizarro landing page down?
mod6: ooh, i see the problem, I clicked the link from his posting above, which my browser added the '.' on the end of the .html - this resulted in a 404.
mod6: Thanks mircea_popescu.
mod6: ave1: hey, not bad!
mircea_popescu: mod6, as they gain experience linking things people learn not to put punctuation marks after the link >D
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817939 << I don't think being too technical is necessarily a bad thing, but my own issue with ben_vulpes' original was that a) too 'cheesy' b) too much 'digging' to unearth the selling points. Conversely, I like how ave1's version is straight and to the point (e.g. bullet points of "why Pizarro" are front and center). Good skeleton imo
☝︎ mircea_popescu: there's technical writing and there's commercial copy writing, much like there's technical drawing and pornography. crumb (if you ever saw the footage of his interacting with his estranged son), is imo the best example of the evanescent item here under discussion : the old man ~tries~ to tell the young squirt what to do, but of course the young'un knows better.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:46 asciilifeform: i mean for receiving. in re the 'some emitters are counters in pivapollo and lack dough'
trinque: I'd be happy to add it, but spyked, how's your rss bot coming along?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: !!v 7AE998500B4D88D5DF67AD02D22F14F17FE8DF83BD576F775A6FE75AD4CBFFB0
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated Mocky 1 << New Blood, blogs and insights
mircea_popescu: it's mostly eulora stuff to date, you can see it in #eulora
BingoBoingo: I've just been plugging in the url and bingereading
mircea_popescu: the "read something in #trilema and got moving" part '''inexplicably''' missing from jewonline.today.
mircea_popescu suspects alf will be nothing short of thrilled to discover he now has the power to shape usg "law enforcement" policy.
☟︎ mod6: I think I caught BB's cold. :[
BingoBoingo: mod6: Got crackling in the lungs or just a very wet nose?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, btw, did you actually come out of it back to health ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the first day I felt compeltely relieved was ironically the day before I formally affiliated with a hospital here
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 16:04 mircea_popescu suspects alf will be nothing short of thrilled to discover he now has the power to shape usg "law enforcement" policy.
mircea_popescu: hey ; be that as it may it's still more than what trump managed to date.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "up" and "down" may not be as firmly manifest as you personally imagine. postmodernism is bizarro world, up is down, they say hello when they leave...
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> mod6: Got crackling in the lungs or just a very wet nose? << got the throat tickle and the coughing is starting.
mod6: these people make me sick
mircea_popescu: oh i forgot to mention -- yest as i was moving about town somebody shot up the mexican embassy here
mod6: mircea_popescu: heavily?
mod6: or just like "pop-pop, chinga tu madre."
mircea_popescu: italian not mexican, sorry (they're next to each other). and yes some deds.
mod6: yeah, assassination.
mod6: unless he really just didn't like the guys shoes.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
BingoBoingo: There's so many embassies in this city if there were shootings outside the slums they would just about have to be in front of an embassy.
mircea_popescu: it's how the soviets did it, isn't it ? in that brief interval between when they died and when they fell.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, shootings outside of slums is a little like shittings outside of bathroom.
mircea_popescu: i doubt that. what was the black market dollar rate in 1985 moscow ?
mircea_popescu: ro was about 100 lei to the dollar, making the avg salary then about $30 or so. (per month, about 1/30 or so of us average salary at the time).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, local coin does always buy ~something~. drujba, whatever it may buy.
mircea_popescu: exactly like "what does dolalr buy today" ? "well, if you disperse it enough, it buys you some inept wrangling from local orcs". exctly like how $1mn does not buy you much ; but if you break it into $20 chunks you can have "marketing online" "services" from retarded university-of-maryland-criminlogy whores,
mircea_popescu: just so a chunk of rubles bought nothinmg, but if broken into small eno9ugh chunks it bought you say state secrets.
mircea_popescu: it's always going to be a purely aribtrary market created by authority fiart, whether it's "write this string on your tits" or "tell me the string yulyiana has written on her tiots"
mircea_popescu: rather, a "i don't know how to write sales copy" thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one thing the soviets (all of them) did well was confound the issue. see, because "not consumer but industrial economy", various industrial goods were significantly cheaper, and all sorts of consumer goods significantly more expensive, than in "real world" of reagan thatcher and friends.
mircea_popescu: consequently, some at least cursory argument could be had that the price signals are substantially enough different to not be comparable (and god only knows how many man-hours the inept "intel" services of the firm of r, t & f spent trying to discern if official ruble is .5 or 4 to 1 dollars TRULY.)
mircea_popescu: they had a comparatively easier time, seeing how they had much better control on trade.
mircea_popescu: democracy has well documented troubles controling what people buy. soviets... hey, only state could buy anything anyway.
mircea_popescu: stalin says "4:1 because 14:1 is ridiculous", that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but yes, the principal reason ru had a relatively easy time in the 80s (unlike, say, 2015s argentina) is because VERY LITTLE dollars in private hands.
mircea_popescu: (and yes it was a crime to own bitcoins for soviet citizek.)
mircea_popescu: (anyway, for documentary lulz : once the russkis introduced a vague approximation of an interbank currency market in 1991, the volumes traded were in the 10mn range. this is ALL THE DOLLARS IN THE COUNTRY. think.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what else ? usa, where ideas go to die.
mircea_popescu: and also : no real interdependence of price and supply. generally, when the supply increased the price also increased ; while when the supply dropped, the price also dropped.
mircea_popescu: rather, it's a symptom of rarity. the currency function of a good depends on some contextual properties ; if there's few enough dollars in the country, the dollar bill is less money and more... artwork, say. becomes a kind of stamp.
mircea_popescu: in order for something to be money it must be "at least this common" ; much like in order for locusts to swarm they must be touched at least this often by other locusts.
mircea_popescu: moreover, currency collapse is always driven by naggum's idiots ("in order to be in a position where one must either strike or die, one must have put themselves into such a position, for instance by expecting to buy a lot of things they cou;dn't make"). the camp/blackface duality (
http://trilema.com/2017/pronouncements-on-camp/#selection-161.66-161.165 ) is very much apropos : without a "nouveau riche" class, ie, without a b
mircea_popescu: this is the deep issue uniting "rock and roll in the soviet union" with "malinche, lover of hernan cortes" : without a ~well connected local~ to spit on the local items, there can not be a serious devaluation of them.
mircea_popescu: the key ingredient for the "shovel-and-wheelbarrow" mark in germany isn't so much the paper itself, as it is the individuals who'd have traded "all of this" for "any little of that".
mircea_popescu: can be, yes. but in any case -- there's no such thing as blackface devaluation. blackface is ALWAYS a camp phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean, ~devaluation~ is always a camp phenomenoin.
mircea_popescu: also, understand the very informative self-destructive pattern that became evident in dying su and was by all appearences well understood by "western world", judging at least by how they keep trying to apply it :
mircea_popescu: suppose you have the following elements : I[ndustry], producing goods whichg can be exported and needing materials and equipment to be imported ; and P[opulace], expecting to be paid a living wage (anyone's pretense to the contrary are idle, all the advanced socialist peons want or ever wanted was "cash for being here", that'\s why socialist states even exist or ever existed, to provide that, from napoleonic france onward) an
mircea_popescu: now, the needs of I are relatively fixed ; the "needs" of P vary. should P decide that it only wants import goods, you may be tempted to create a "tourist" rate for the foreign currency
mircea_popescu: should you do that, you'll have a directly addressable measure of wrecking : the Ps will push the TR above the level where I can finance its import needs out of the receipts for its exports.
mircea_popescu: this is called "inefficiency", but it's not industrial inefficiency, it's socially-mediated pseudo-inefficiency created by the Ps deliberately (if "unknowingly") choking out I because they;'ve decided they want their country dead.
mircea_popescu: i said before that the principal question of the 80s was "da-i romaneasca ?" ie, "but is it made here ?". this'd be why.
mircea_popescu: the people involved weren't ~stupid~, see. notwithstanding what the officious jews "all agreed".
mircea_popescu: now, the "creation" of "ethereum" is entirely out of the playbook of clinton "bringing rock'n'roll dollars to moscow" or mp bringing dollars to buenos aires etc.
mircea_popescu: the only unexpected element is the discovery that the population of fucktards ~wasn't actually relevant~ for the republic.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, same processes were supposed to work the same way ; and most of the peripheral agents not in the "need to know" bubble are even to thsi day claiming they worked as supposed.
mircea_popescu: of course it is. much like anyone with head out of ass sees apple as apple. wtf would they have seen it as.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so the rate that'd have allowed soviet industry a positive epsilon return on capital goods was cca 10-20:1 in 1992 (depending how and what you sort) and the "tourist rate" was 60:1. bingo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this understanding nevertheless does NOT relieve the soviet brass from having had to and having failed to either a) produce something alternatative for them to sing or b) shoot them all, a la maduro.
mircea_popescu: either of which is a perfectly acceptable solution, but one of which MUST always be deployed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, kinda why we have the negrate mechanism. cheap and effectual, better than any kalash.
mircea_popescu: and kinda why they're stuck with the "legitimacy" mechanism, "gadaffi is not the legitimate owner of syria"
mircea_popescu: and you're thinking of the wrong side of this. nevermind -1 hruschev. think -1 yuri derpopovich herpopov. all 50 mn of them. not "prevent emigration", but dump at sea ~everyone.
mircea_popescu: i just see it as wankers, the sort that could participate but doesn't.
mircea_popescu: anyway --- if i ran the moscow polytechnic, the advertisement would have been "either make it in the 1% or else we will paradop you in america, or whatever other african shithole you belong to".
mircea_popescu: the ~punishment~ for ~failure~ to perform exceptionally well would have been a one way ticket to jeansland.
mircea_popescu: he didn't live in a world where this was possible. but by 1980 -- eminently doable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you are sitting there seriously proposing to me that a man-and-his-bushels uranium mining op is more productive than a mechanized item ?
mircea_popescu: if populace was the criteria, should have applied for admission as chinese ssr in 1972.
mircea_popescu: but populace eminently is not the criteria, which is why the "totally not a dating site" "community" of fetlife can't stand up to... me.
mircea_popescu: yes it is. but the argument presented is specious in either reading -- there's no "neighbours overrun", and if there is -- the proposed measures did nothing about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, because they're not at ALL serious about "clever".
mircea_popescu: when's the last time a bearer of us passport confronted a "be this tall or die" dilemma ?
mircea_popescu: because ro kids did -- various hung selves 18yo females can attest. and it is the ~only reason romania is ever mentioned by name this century.
mircea_popescu: understand, such a thing as teenage female suicide is not known in classical works. it only appears once the need for the pressure to perform appears, at high enough tech densities.
mircea_popescu: yes. girlies are doing their job, society is failing them.
mircea_popescu: understand, antrhiopology is not optional, this isn't some kind of elective course. in year X, Y must be done. "not doing it" isn't meaningful -- Y' will still be done, with shitty results.
mircea_popescu: whether you go "everyone takes exam, bottom 10% get hung by those poles in schoolyard" or you go "nobody has to do anything and i can't explain all this cutting and anorexia", it makes entirely no difference.
mircea_popescu: that "person in charge" doesn't know this, speaks as to the incredible decay of explicit understanding -- by the time you lack the words and preformed expressions to describe necessity you've fallen into pre-literate times ; unequal to herodotus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i think you misunderstood the "let's hunt".
mircea_popescu: instead of you having to contend with 5mn other idiots trying to live in the same state ; you have to contend with only 50k. as a result, all real estate available consists of plots in excess of 50 acres, which include a creek, and forest. goes for the same price as you pay now, but it is what it is.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: once a week or when you feel like, you don your hunt gear and go out shoot a dear phasant whatever.
mircea_popescu: same girl that made the bread now, makes the bread then.
mircea_popescu: does this arrangement, with your private cheese cellar etc, connote some kind of techno-weakness on your part ?
mircea_popescu: we're simply talking of killing most everyone, and using the space like people rather than like rats.
mircea_popescu: you can stamp a plane every 40min BY YOURSELF in your house
mircea_popescu: see, that's the meaning of stalin-couldn't, by 80s, feasible.
mircea_popescu: today it's fucking trivial, wtf, make planes, what's to keep you.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: same thing you say, can and is said by today's neet. "i don't have microscope in house lel"
mircea_popescu: sure, you don't. the reason you don't is cuz you didn't put one in. nothing else.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you even need a price, you're friends.
mircea_popescu: the trashing the orclands get at our hands every fucking time we deign to rape them is not enough model of how this'd go ? joe from two states down will just send you some free molybdenum because fuck those orcs, and besides, you gave him a painting last year
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what fducking own hands, are you kidding me ?! NO ORC TODAY WORKS!!!! you understand thids ?!
mircea_popescu: they're all in "government" offices going "Gimme" in a chorus. what fucking "hands" ?
mircea_popescu: peon hands haven't seen a stitch of honest work in decades.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 06:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. much like your finger cannot function for long or very usefully unless attached to the rest of you << so very aptly put.
mircea_popescu: no, you do it with machinery, as everything everywhere. that's what "modern" means, that the per-capita productivity is not actually finite.
mircea_popescu: 'per-capita' being an entirely menaingless, baseless non-notion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if you think the robots are maintained by orcs...
mircea_popescu: how does this work ? is your code written by chickens, too ?
mircea_popescu: no item that works, now or ever, was produced through ANY OTHER MEANS than the you-joe method discussed above. not EVER.
mircea_popescu: some of the things that don't work don't work because no you/joe, and some don't work because IN SPITE of you-joe there werealso some orcs involved.
mircea_popescu: dude i couldn't care less what chinese are trying to emulate white man working economy on.
mircea_popescu: robotization is a fact ; modern factories don't need workers ; and the robots are not made by fucking hand, no.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 utility to 99% of the us population, in economic terms. there's ~maybe~ some sexual utility in 9%. but 90% can be ablated today and without adverse effects.
mircea_popescu: there's a very sharp chance in 1980, which is why "the 80s".
mircea_popescu: it is not. consider -- i can (even thouigh ben_vulpes apparently can't) spin up endless instances of whatever boxen, notwithstanding "such a thing as the self-packing os was posed by neumann and stays where it was posed" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: other than this, "infinite" is not required. just a large enough factor, but 9 digits are far from "infinity"
BingoBoingo: It could do with more links to "how to" pages including the most current Republican GPG setup guide
BingoBoingo: But the idea is as more offerings happen, (2nd shared account machine, etc) the page structure has room to eat them.
ben_vulpes: gonna work it more or should i pick it up from here? fine starting point i think (will wait for contradiction), i can fill in the details.
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing about ad copy is you gotta have economy of words. Last place you want eyes glazing over is where you are selling.
mod6: BingoBoingo: hey, nice job!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm just picking on him. but anyway -- very large leverages are in fact both experimentally demonstrated and theoretically predicted. and the "someone else" argument is not germane -- i didn't specify who joe is ; if you object to my presumption that you'd be willing to work by including you, by all means, we could say sally instead. you think that does anything ?
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of objection that can only be resolved by historians.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 16:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I did indeed
BingoBoingo: Underprepared gringo runs off to orcistan, gets done in not by human hazards, but an ancient killer is what I am guessing
phf: no, a lot more generous. representatives of superior civilization land en force anticipating deservedly easy pickings, most of men die from conditions
phf: "month 6 in this godless, accursed land. last night as the fever broke the captain died, since the chaplain died a month ago, the men had to hold service, however sparse it was"
phf: "month 12, i BingoBoingo will marry my daughter and with her start the most pure blood line" etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: phf, is there a lot of romanesque, scifi etcetera work missing from your blog ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 17:29 mircea_popescu: instead of you having to contend with 5mn other idiots trying to live in the same state ; you have to contend with only 50k. as a result, all real estate available consists of plots in excess of 50 acres, which include a creek, and forest. goes for the same price as you pay now, but it is what it is.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, no ; because oklahoma was selected for idiocy over two centuries. you know what brain drain is, yes ?
mircea_popescu: "deserted hinterland" is never approximation of "world depopulated of idiots", because the former is deserted ~because everyone chose to move somewhere else~, and the smart are more capable of enforcing that choice ; whereas the latter is deserted ~because idiots were killed~.
mircea_popescu: so no, eminently not like oklahoma. like soviet-occupied berlin.
danielpbarron: that paricular line though, the 50 acres including creek and forest, for same price
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 17:31 mircea_popescu: today it's fucking trivial, wtf, make planes, what's to keep you.
trinque: if any of them had the sense to stop at the scale model and make that a drone instead, there you go.
trinque: why do you insist on excluding all economic models but stalin's eh?
trinque: the linked item uses a glorified car engine; these... are available
mircea_popescu: in unrelated lulz, "faleze de nisip" is fucking hysterical for its montage of "man goes to visit den of prostitution after his obnoxious gf gets uppity and moves out".
mircea_popescu: the commie notion of "den of prostitution" as fit to put on film... o brother. RIGHT THERE is why driving TR past any value the idiots could survive is 100% justified.
trinque: nah, this thing has a rear prop
trinque: all I'm pointing to is the c&c milling + carbon fiber process he's using, not the design of the plane
mircea_popescu: eh, i don't imagine anyone but alf could seriously contemplate the "fabrication difficulties". gimme a break, i can and have bought machining tools that'd have been worth "hal;f the empire" in 1935 for a pittance. they make complex shaped metal sheets, and are cheap as fuck
mircea_popescu: which is why cars stopped looking like 1970s sometime in 1980s.
trinque: rednecks rebuild junkyard engines all the livelong day, if we're seriously imagining that suddenly we're back to grand soviet ideas and only buran makes toilets, space ships, dildos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nevermind books printed. i had interests in ~all sorts~ of manufacturers aite ?
trinque: they're claiming 25k ft max altitude, as per specs page
trinque: who knows, pretty detailed videos the guy's posting
mircea_popescu: has interest ~means "can not be kept out of any space for any reason".
mircea_popescu: from managerial experience this is very much not a factual point.
mircea_popescu: complaints universally happen in proportion to a certain mental structure.
mircea_popescu: the cognitive articulation of the complaint is thus : 1. i understand deeply the trees of implications of a few simple rules (ref
http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ ) ; 2. i apprehend a novel object and create a mental model for it ; 3. i discover perceptible reality does not play well with the product of 2 ; 4. i complain.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 20:01 asciilifeform: observe, the problem dun exist if you already have your own pyongyang and can happily put a megawatt station there and invite whoever objects, to pound sand up his arse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, specifically, "i expected something else". "but why did you expect ?" "What do you want me to do, sit ?!".
mircea_popescu: this isn't a judgement of value. it's just a description aite ?
mircea_popescu: and mircea_popescu only sees this if he asks specifically, because yes, mircea_popescu has friends. so does asciilifeform. everyone only sees some portions.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
mircea_popescu: for instance earlioer -- i was enjoying a bowl of delicious soup made yesterday. kitten slings by, pours herself a bowl too. then she discovers -- a dead beetle in there. it's beetle season, they're crazy. under pemra lights there's an inch thick beetle soil.
mircea_popescu: so now i can't eat my soup anymore. "should i not have said anything ?"
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean bugless soups are impossible ; nor does it mean all soups you ever ate are bugless.
mircea_popescu: but the statement made, "x -- impossible" is very different from the correct, "x -- will take some doing"
mircea_popescu: and renaming "x -- will take an inordinate amt of doing" as "x -- impossible" is a category error.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i have serious reservations re an item with broken design. it's a little bit like reading ancient greek imaginary descriptions of places "they heard exist", i have trouble digesting.
trinque: I proposed the manufacturing process for *drones*
trinque: in response to whether one man could hit many targets himself
mircea_popescu: trinque, you mean, electric engines or what's drone mean here ?
trinque: semidisposable drones can be built in the garage, was the claim
trinque: I said this in the log-line that linked it
mircea_popescu: the claim was rather whether ~enough~ drones of ~sufficient~ quality can be built on short enough interval ~by single person~.\
mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently they can. this was after all the fucking point of even fabricating fgs / getting isp up etc : we CAN, as a factual matter, operate.
mircea_popescu: which means that yes, if tmsr builds a drone assembly line, it will work as designed.
mircea_popescu: and operator will do what operator does and there you go.
mircea_popescu: that's the point here. consider 1950s process to make fighter jet. "iron ore is in ground -- must be taken to conveyor belt by hand because no sewing machine sophisticated enough to do this yet" ; then conveyor belted all the way to furnace, but "has to be poured by hand because no machine" ; then "has to be polished by hand because no machine". and so on.
mircea_popescu: MOST of these "need 5000 miners and 3000 forgers and 120 assemblers" etc are gone now.
trinque: are the dashes a fake account?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they're notoriously bad at erorr messages.
trinque: looks like I got a few notices about them herping with NickServ
trinque: mquin (~mike@freenode/staff/mquin): :[Global Notice] Seems that was premature. There are ongoing issues with services that are being looked into - please bear with us << asciilifeform shaping fleanode policy now too!
mircea_popescu: i thought you were complaining about having too much work. now not enough ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: blog is for personal tidbits, in no way meant to parallel qntra
shinohai: anywho, appears air force has graduated from bath salts to more grown-up hallucinogenics
mircea_popescu: "After investigators closed in, one airman deserted to Mexico." << heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't understand. the principal wank of ustarded princess is that ~someonew wants her useless snatch~.
mircea_popescu: much like byzantines imagined mongols come over to steal the "true cross" because it's so fucking valuable in their eyes. because how couldn't it be. and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: do they test the grunts and only admit those who take up the girls for more than 8 mins at a time ?
mircea_popescu: "today you need to shit, tomorrow you will betray the fatherland"
mircea_popescu: who could have predicted people don't stop shitting just because "the people" is unprepared to handle it.
lobbes: !Qlater tell shinohai why no comments allowed on yer blog?