mircea_popescu: !~later peterl i dunno, i think the ideal is no future for macs.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: whatever love anyone had for them back for their 1990s typographic utility is long lost.
mircea_popescu: also gives a "no c main" ada proggy a serious gold trophy.
mircea_popescu: isn't it refreshing just how fucking good an "unknown" ie, no women-in-tech language can actually be ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-16 20:39 asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mod6 thread about this not long ago
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 01:40 asciilifeform stuck presently in an infuriating gnat labyrinth : turns out, a proggy that set pragma Restrictions(No_Secondary_Stack) , cannot use Ada.Command_Line ( equiv of argc/argc in c-planet ). so then asciilifeform went to make own replacement. and turns out , guesswat, no can haz, because pragma Restrictions(No_Unchecked_Conversion) -- and argv, where commandline lives, is a pointer to nonadatronic (i.e. c-style) string .
mod6: Notification of updates to v are posted in the comments there.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ty mod6 . loox liek he found it in the end << thanks for helping him!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i have never understood wtf that was or how it was supposed to work
mircea_popescu: best construction i can put on it is, "closest pantsuit can come to saying chumpatron operator wanted".
mircea_popescu: worst construction... well... have you seen that tv show ?
mircea_popescu: aaand in other parasite sites, check out best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com/Best-bitcoin-mining-difficulty-over-time-Information-for-*, such as best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com/Best-bitcoin-mining-difficulty-over-time-Information-for-Oakdowns-7019-TAS-2018.html
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:02 mircea_popescu: in other lulz from fiatlands, "sales engineer"
mircea_popescu: some dude managed to rank ~5trillion pages in teh google cache BECAUSE the "artificial intelligence" of bayesian-cum-minimum-wage-tractor works exactly like this "hand populate a list with wikipeida and whatever, and then "rank" items"
mircea_popescu: so amazonaws.com is on the hitler list, and consequently smaller fleas wish to ride atop the back of the great whale flea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, quoted because it's a great example of the ~principle~ of the thing, whereby you don't want fucking fleas, because "government" anointed fleas are no better and no cleanner than random from the street.
mircea_popescu: moreover i'm curious how they'll "fix" this. evidently correct solution (throw out amazonaws from hitler list of "acceptable websites") ain't happening so.. what ? introduce limit of max 8 chars for subdomain ?
ben_vulpes: entirely unrelatedly, i had a half-cord of firewood dropped off and racked tidily in my basement a week or so ago and holy smokes the luxury of having effectively unlimited firewood during the wintertime is almost as good as i imagine not having to suffer through pacific northwest winters must be
ben_vulpes: all congrats to you sir, p vastly more enjoyable and engrossing than any other 'content' any imperial attentionfarm has produced in my lifetime
☟︎ jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: this is primo hardwoods, seasoned professionally.
ben_vulpes: genius brother-in-law-in-waiting decided to bless the family mountain retreat with a whole cord of what turned out to be entirely unseasoned softwood from godknowswhere. literally worst choice, literally unprepared for civilized use.
trinque was pleased to get two nights of fireplace usage (and one of snow!) before it went back to 60-70F
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shame about the pressed shitboard, yeah.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:10 mircea_popescu: ran in the rain, got terrible shin cramps from it, got massage from nude interloper while playing with her tits... my life is so unfair.
ben_vulpes did first 6-mile haul this afternoon, pushing > 15 kilos of stroller
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hey relatedly as you might deduce i do have a usable gnat setup nao
trinque: I'm over here dusting off the musl gentoo recipe to produce same.
trinque: whole turd gettin published when done
trinque: since I last ran the recipe, as yet anonymous shitgnomes broke the downgrade to gcc 4.9.4
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wood fired stoves are pretty cool, for the first few months.
mircea_popescu: gets tedious after, which is why god made winter not last.
ben_vulpes: remarked the other night that i understood in short order the fireplace -> 'franklin' stove motivations
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:43 ben_vulpes: all congrats to you sir, p vastly more enjoyable and engrossing than any other 'content' any imperial attentionfarm has produced in my lifetime
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:40 asciilifeform finds that he cannot think of grouse without recalling mayakovsky's 'Ешь ананасы, рябчиков жуй, / день твой последний приходит, буржуй.'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes romania still has in the rural areas the habsburg empire's premier invention in this world, the vienese smokes terracotta
mircea_popescu: got hanbot a place with one while she resided in ro, she quite liked it iirc.
mircea_popescu: yes. it is, when one understands the problem, a properly speaking breathtaking accomplishment.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:34 mircea_popescu: so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry.
mircea_popescu: "there was no technology before fly-eyes" because it... wasn't for the fucking fly eyes, that's why!
mircea_popescu: dutch item is later copy of austrian original. you know, like gouda.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 00:41 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them.
ben_vulpes: fireplace just ain't a worthwhile thing unless you've got the woodpile to keep ti at least smouldering all day, roaring at night, and pretty lasses to keep it stoked. nevertheless, i'll enjoy this one while i have it.
mircea_popescu: (and i am deeply unsurprised the anglotards know not what they talk of. country of whiskey drinkers and so on)
ben_vulpes: oh and it hasta be large enough to fit benches *inside*
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm rhapsodizing about my tiny fireplace
mircea_popescu: standard item about 2-3 m3, though it can be made larger (there's a twinning method)
mircea_popescu: remarkab ly small. i dunno whether it's a work-of-art omfg i can't believe master stovier managed to get the smokes crushed into that space or rather "we dunno what we did". i could guess, but why guess.
ben_vulpes: can i get a link to this "dutch stove" marvel fo engineering?
mircea_popescu: aaanyway -- is ben_vulpes going to make himself smoker next, grow rich out of feeding quality breakfast meats to the greater cascadia ?
ben_vulpes: i have a hole in the wall into which i pour bezzlars and light them on fire for fun
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'greater cascadia' ain't welcome in my domus
mod6: Sorry, was just lookin through logs. Might have mis-remembered that.
mircea_popescu: it's as old and culturally relevant as musical instruments (violins, say)
mircea_popescu: as it happens a major center was at tirgu secuiesc in ro. apparently still active, they fix and rebuild.
ben_vulpes: large thermal mass, engineering time spent to ensure complete combustion, sometimes a long horizontal chimney too?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if you do a calorimetry experiment you'll see the austrian item converts nigh on 8% more than the swedish system
mircea_popescu: this is why this interests me, "make stove, with 1700s tech, i'll put it in the calorimeter and measure your %"
mircea_popescu: turns out there was a remarkably good solution, and a bunch of notbad ones.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: anyways, way the heck upstack, `FZ_Clear` 'sets a given FZ to zero' but i only see an outparam; is this not more of a constructor than zero-er?
mircea_popescu: aside the matter that the problem hasn't been approached in postmoidernism, i dun see much better solutions available than historically found.
ben_vulpes: ah because you still pass outparams into a function call
ben_vulpes: so 'in out' means that data can be read from the param and will also be written into, whereas 'out' means that data will only be written to the param in the procedure?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:09 mircea_popescu: turns out there was a remarkably good solution, and a bunch of notbad ones.
mircea_popescu: but, also just as important though not in fact exposed for other reasons : stove IS BUILT IN PLACE.
mircea_popescu: ie, it was strictly a manor house item historically ; and part of the manorial system in europe.
trinque: heh, in other peasant huts, cannot build gcc 4.9.4 from 6.4.0 on gentoo musl, gotta step to 5.4.0 first.
trinque: this was not always true of the 6.x series; I've done 4.9.4 on it in the past.
trinque: aha, I recall. can confirm.
trinque now emerge --emptytree @world to see what other mysteries await
mircea_popescu: but, it is very important to revisit and underline ye olde mazarin point ( ie
http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ ) : there is constant technological progress, in the PROPER sense (ie, NOT for plebels, but for lords AND FOR LORDS ONLY) going from 700ad to 1700ad. THIS, and THIS ONLY is what gave "technological progress" its good name -- when the lord changed ye olde fireplace in the common k
mircea_popescu: night hall inherited from his granpa with modern teracotta item. THAT was progress, and the knights applauded, and felt proud to fight and die for such a greatly SUPERIOR homeland, as represented by their lords castle, as communicated to them by their god damned STOVE. and by, to quote period, "wer kriegt so prompt wie der preusse sein traktament!"
mircea_popescu: in exactly typical socialist fashion, the fucktards have been selling off this item not belonging to them, "technological progress", repainted as "hey, new iphone came out!! it's cheaper and shittier and works less!!!"
mircea_popescu: japan is a weird case, they also failed to invent -- leather footwear.
mircea_popescu: fate of islands, to suck. japan is basically easter island on steroids.
mircea_popescu: but the reason they are admired, unlike say the chinese, who were never admired and possibly never will be, is because they squeezed so very much of the fucking little the yhad.\
mircea_popescu: ie, right back to the calorimetry-yer-stove discussion.
mircea_popescu: perfection, no matter in what problem, is the only item of interest whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: there's a very deep reason why the english landed in china thought china is fit to be a sort of wales -- more distant, populated by dumber monkeys (yes the "gauls" were monkeys -- farming idiots), larger but still, fundamentally fucking wales.
mircea_popescu: and it impressed nobody that "hey, we sum up to X", because the X was so un-intensive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform landlockness is a major predictor. notice, koreans less retarded than chinese. there's this sweetspot in terms of shore/sqacre basis\
mircea_popescu: no, actually -- they invented it late in the relative game.
mircea_popescu: chinese climbed down from trees 3.5k-ish yearsd before europe.
mircea_popescu: (invention of bureaucracy in europe is no later than diocletian. possibly caesar.)
mircea_popescu: though various failed bioexperiments such as the pesky northern american troglodytes -- iroquis et all, seemingly managed to invent a bureaucracy-without-empire
mircea_popescu: in the shape of a (bad) solution to "here's the male hut, wut do now"
mircea_popescu: you can have it in places where the women are relatively infertile and the berry bushes abundant.
mircea_popescu: which is why sweden is a shithole, and always was a shithole.
mircea_popescu: large cheap food inputs and low pop growth rate -> surplus to be "used".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the gather monkey is the bureaucrat enabler.
mircea_popescu: consider how the jew system works : balabusta in tyhe shop selling to make money for man to sit all day around sinagogue and godbureaucrat.
mircea_popescu: the jews did not invent, it is naturally occuring. in places with high natural food resources at low cost (say fishing in sweden, berry picking in northern us etc) -- happens.
mircea_popescu: more like accidental implementation of some parts of empire.
mircea_popescu: well, fwis they did without complaint, all that's left of "the great iroquis" is the occasional tall, fuckable redskin chick.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:49 mod6: shin-splits or what-not eh?
mircea_popescu: but -- ill grant this readily -- historical good nutrition makes for tall, fuckable broads. so it's not all lost,
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:49 mod6: shin-splits or what-not eh?
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe they come back. they've been really spotty throughout history as it is, like this radio that keeps going in and out
mircea_popescu: possibly not a who, seeing how event happened over long period. who bobbits pulsar
mircea_popescu makes no claim to knowledge re swedes. i just fuck'em is all.
mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2014-11-16 05:31 mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.
mircea_popescu: news at 11, airs of respectability put forth by butch dyke idiocy entirely dependent on nobody pointing and laughing
mircea_popescu: i just cut myself a slice of cozonac, and put my own ice in my own fucking cinzano. and then, when i wanted a refill, I STOOD UP AND GOT IT.
mircea_popescu: for the first time in a decade, at that. BUT I DID IT!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out, ikka k. apparently also keenly aware that liberals are generally poor and helpless.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the whole "do you have money ? no ? then shut the fuck up." works so well socially, personally and in general. because they... don't. and they know how to get it and know they can't get it. hence "cat-v" etc.
mircea_popescu: "The entire spectrum of thought of those who we call liberals, progressives, socialists, trendoids or Marxists [ie, what we call pantsuit] depending on what is fashionable today, can be reduced to and explained as the simple automata that they are. After identifying many genuine problems and solving them to the extent that they can be solved, liberalism devolved into naked group identity politics and petty status signaling fo
mircea_popescu: r the verbal New Class, downwardly mobile in not just wealth but also societal respect, and desperate to distinguish itself from the working class. Since this vanguard tends to be paid not enough to do this with classic material means, they have set up a parallel status hierarchy based on the tastes and aspirations of Lloyd Dobler to ensure that they get to be its kings and, mostly, its queens. Even the few rich liberals subs
mircea_popescu: cribe in public, but certainly not in their private actions, to the shibboleths of this group."
mircea_popescu: "If I had to describe using only a couple of sentences what it feels like to be a conservative, I would probably compare it to the hypothetical but surreal experience of noticing how many people around you have headaches because they keep banging their heads against the wall. If you don't do anything, that makes you objectively a "part of the problem", especially if you express any distaste towards having to pay for some incr
mircea_popescu: easingly messy bureaucracy that claims to help headache sufferers even though it only ever comes up with increasingly absurd "solutions" to the new problems that its actions conjure up while its proponents do their best to explain away these consistent failures. On the other hand, if you try to help by suggesting that their heads would stop hurting if they just stopped banging them against the wall, you are a "simpleton" who
mircea_popescu: doesn't understand the enormous complexity and the "root causes" of this problem. What can you do, except perhaps escape to one of the few remaining islands of sanity, and hope that the madness doesn't follow you there, at least for a while?"
mircea_popescu: perfectly fine statement ; though of course what you can do is... beat them. doh.
mircea_popescu: hurt a pantsuit today, the worse the better and the more lastingly the more productive.
mircea_popescu: o hey, only took a dozen of these to run aground. here we go :
mircea_popescu: "A few decades ago before all this current silliness started, the humanities and liberal arts departments in academia were badly losing the science wars. After all, even astrology at least makes falsifiable predictions (to say nothing of the fact that stars actually exist), a hurdle far above the abilities of most of the humanities. Desperate to prove that they are just as true and valid systems of thought as all those hard s
mircea_popescu: ciences that get constantly tested and have to prove their correspondence to the uncompromising objective reality every day, no wonder they fell so hard for the postmodernist mumbo-jumbo of Derrida, Latour and Lacan that sweetly whispered in their ears that Western science is only one narrative and "text" among many that are equally valid, and since it is an objective truth that no objective truths exist, science only tries t
mircea_popescu: o justify the right of the white male patriarchal capitalist phallogocentric power hegemony to dictate its values and lifestyle choices on the oppressed groups and silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it. Fast forward to the present day, and now the humanities and liberal arts are solidly left-wing in the culture wars, for various reasons. Surely I can't possibly be the only one to laugh at the unintentional
mircea_popescu: comedy in how they now whine that those global warming deniers disrespect the absolute authority of science, so all those dissenters ought to be silenced and their hedonistic lifestyles curtailed... by force if necessary?"
mircea_popescu: it's evidently not true that "all reads are equally valid" or in any way just as good ; but it's certainly not the case that science is sufficient per se. this should be directly evident, but even without that : science is, much like nature itself, a SMOOTH process (a valuable reference here being
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732986 ), and as such WILL get trapped in local maxima. which is why heuristics is a thing, and
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 16:05 mircea_popescu: that's smooth noise. \
a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform provided there's a direction in the first place. science is defenseless in front of category error
mircea_popescu: (consider the most scientific attempts to make sewing machine that failed for a century, and the most unscientific eventual solution. also, evidently, airplanes.)
mircea_popescu: rather, a "retelling of old games of scientific method".
mircea_popescu: but it bears repeating : there stands, and well respected for good cause, an century old result of science that shows there can not be such a thing as an explicitly consistent system.
mircea_popescu: goedel directly says, "science is just one text and necessarily no complete". that this is not equivalent with "irigaray is better than average milkmaid" is true, but also who the fuck cares about irigaray enough to put her name in this.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
mircea_popescu: total waste of a fucking word. that's wtf the domain is there for.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the upstack, the "science tries to [...] silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it" nonsense is a sad misread of history by people who really should know better. yes it's true that for a while scientists were also puritans, as a religious inclination.
mircea_popescu: this happened because the minimalistic religion of the time appealed to people "who just wanted to", and really didn't see why they should pay court to napoleon when there were volumes to measure say.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally scientific about retarded anglo-neoprotestantisms ; nor anything fundamentally retarded anglo-anything about science.
mircea_popescu: so no, the male phalic supremacy opressing all others, especially stupid women and dumb ethnos isn't going away ; and it certainly won't permit the leverage of this "but we like to fuck and disagree!!!" tool to unhinge it
ben_vulpes: in other possibly stale lols, heathen wallet denominates in millishitcoinz
mircea_popescu: "An important role of prices in free markets is to convey information about individual needs and preferences in a world of seven billion people who can each see only a very small part of it. A while ago, a poster elicited fawning oohs and aahs in the progressive blogosphere by pointing out how absurd it is to go through all the steps needed to make a plastic fork instead of using a metal fork and washing it afterwards. Indeed
mircea_popescu: market more "inefficient" compared to central planning led by "smart" people. It is certainly amazing how technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons to be sold for three cents apiece, well worth the time and convenience they save me."
mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ikka does not want to discipline NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE woman, let alone her sisters and offspring. he just wanted to science!!
mircea_popescu: seems to me the tiny knolwedge afflicts he who should stfu and do a better job of world domination.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that i record protest only should not be construed in a negative view of the man. on the contrary, he has many good points chief among which the systematic deployment of the view that whatsoever the pantsuit claim to think, believe, etcetera has absolutely no direct value, and is no more meaningful than the finch's call. the finch doesn't MEAN something by the noise it makes ; it merely intends for other finches to be
mircea_popescu: able to locate it easily, and exactly same for pantsuit. they picked "gay" to worship because it's relatively cheap and easy and ineffectual (as in it dundu nuffin, see also
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750998 re this) -- because there's virtually no gays as such.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:25 mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
mircea_popescu: ~same with blacks, they picked blacks over latinos simply because there's fewer of them, which isn't to say this is any kind of mental process, of course. the moth didn't pick light "because", in any sort of moth-personal sense, it just got picked for it by the workings of matters external.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, "bla bla gay marriage" means exactly nothing other and above "wanna go for a beer ?"
mircea_popescu: in a sense taking the garbage pouring out of pantsuit mouth as such and trying to engage it on merits is not unlike the fool of old, looking at the hand that pointed at the moon.
ben_vulpes: now if only there were anything to talk about over beer but gay marriage
mircea_popescu: there's some fundamental alienation at work in the german lands, of which england is a sad, marginal, forgotten island (of which colonies are ... all a sort of sadder wales). have you ever seen Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten ?
trinque: on the matter of women serving men, it's been real nice having the one in household finding various delicious liquid foods to serve up while my wisdom tooth holes mend.
trinque: what the hell's wrong with it? girl's been glowing over getting to do so.
mircea_popescu: trinque well, many things are wrong with it. for instance, plenty of girls never encountered a male centered enough to be able to manifest for.
mircea_popescu: the resultant neurosis is ~80% of the whole "liberal-progressive" ethos.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, you'll be surprised how many MEN are in the same position.
mircea_popescu: most "couple trouble" among college-educated esl readily reduce to "two subbies tired of their bitter arguments over who has to dom for the evening".
ben_vulpes: such a sad thing, the rejection of hierarchy.
trinque cuts checks to a dude that does some basic software support
trinque: couple years of me screaming and he's by now almost an adolescent
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental statement of the problem, i'd say unavoidable. rich "software engineer" of the 70s (ie, architect, like those guys in the swiss pornos always seemed to be, recall?) goes off his rocker and kills a woman.
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with eg. il merlo maschio, same topic but in the olive oil lands of southern europe, and suddenly some kind of fundamental problem becomes more than evident.
mircea_popescu: something in the cold, windy sky drying people out inside.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: and so no... there isn't anything to talk about ; over beer or over anything else. just look away with empty eyes.
ben_vulpes: when i ran a small coeterie of staff the steel spine of our success was the chain of command from whence sense and marching orders came, and everyone's utterly clear understanding of where they stood
ben_vulpes: american democracy is a miserable thing, demanding that there be one boss (the state) and all subservient to it without ever acknowledging their subservience.
ben_vulpes bbl, a deserving lady has a christmas movie i'm not grinching about for once
mircea_popescu: within a half year you'd end up with a little traditional village within the walls. practically say (pre war) syria, or ukraina. reconstructed, at great expense.
mircea_popescu: "Once we get rid of the social construct that men are physically stronger than women, little girls will surely grow up to be just as strong as men. We can already see glimpses of this future utopia of equality in many junior sports events where a 12-year-old girl competes with 12-year-old boys and wins!"
deedbot: gue voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aand in other news, "What is the lowest IQ that allows some person to write a peer-reviewed paper that proves that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox that I noticed was how the anti-IQ camp fears that acknowledging the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and treated accordingly. However, every single time that I have actually seen somebody being called a "subhuman", this has
mircea_popescu: come from the anti-IQ side! In other words, members of the anti-IQ camp simultaneously believe that on one hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on the other hand, those who deny this, even by a tenuous implication, are subhuman."
mircea_popescu: this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit the concept at the upper bound -- saying this guy is smarter than this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching the matter ; or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless.
mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why there's not that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc
a111: Logged on 2016-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far so god, aside from a critical structural failing banana'd into the hostel...
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BingoBoingo: As in there is now a pool over the center of the building ~3.5 cm deep at its deepest.
BingoBoingo: Other tenants y staff don't seem to be panicking, so it's anthropology time.
BingoBoingo: The pooling would have gone unnotice by myself if it wasn't for the right side of my bed being where water slowly leave the roof for the building interior.
BingoBoingo: But the colombians here this weekend have been tremendous help with the spanish.
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets,
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:57 asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz'
mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:11 asciilifeform: they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine
mircea_popescu: leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752713 << dun even have to be female. there is such a thing as a "house mother" that's usually an old fag in the sort of "artist communities" composed of gay males as found all over... well, seattle and sf, mostly. but anyway, item exists and proven-to-work.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: in fact the pink elephsecret re "halfway houses" is that someone noticed cca 1960 HOW exactly gay communities work when they do, attempted to apply methodology to solving problem of the state (criminal poverty / criminal addiction), with ~some~ success.
mircea_popescu: not that much ; but way the fuck more than is common for a state-run state-idea.
shinohai: Nice article diana_coman, a "reference code shelf" *is* vey good idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:51 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:50 mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
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