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asciilifeform: upstack -- imho the rockets flew because overseen by folx who did not take seriously the religious claptrap of 'equality' and in fact believed that the purpose of small man getting to eat is to make possible the work of the great.
trinque: this is what I suspect the two had in common when they were anything to speak about.
asciilifeform: it's what all functioning 'great' had in common.
asciilifeform: and when switches off, 'great' goes out like lightbulb.
trinque: I would've earlier said that the ussa and ussr died quick because technology caused them to hit a complexity limit.
trinque: now I want to say that they died because they made shitty gods.
trinque: look at sad danielpbarron pulling the stick on yhwh
asciilifeform: vikings had some imho quite spiffy gods. where are the vikings now ?
trinque: heh, in all of north yurp, later sat upon by apparent better gods
asciilifeform: incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'. ☟︎
trinque: this also
trinque: vikings and their spiffy gods got a great run out of it.
asciilifeform: old - dies, and replaced by young. the least astonishing thing known.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I am suspecting it is a conference joke I missed http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#footnote_2_54005 ☟︎
trinque: danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen. ☟︎
trinque: *on
trinque: you found your cock, congrats. I played a better christian dork in my teens than you've ever done.
trinque: asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel? ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: ru history knew revolutionaries who tried to carry on the algo of 'i am seekrit hidden pseudo-murdered heir of $monarch!'. some got pretty far, e.g. pugachev, but all ended up on chopping block.
trinque: hm, so this is in-world magic that had to be undone. fatal then, for sure.
trinque: stalin had 3 decades; that's time enough to beat on the head of a protege
asciilifeform: he had protege -- beria.
trinque: why didn't he end up in the chair? ☟︎
asciilifeform: didn't make the finally final exam, is all.
asciilifeform: ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so lost instead his.
trinque: soft because insufficiently head-beaten, or what was the weakness
asciilifeform: near as, without time machine, i can tell -- spared'em because believed that his succession would be recognized by his peers.
asciilifeform: it was not. they were waiting, patiently (or not, to this day no one ruled out poison) for the old man to die, so to claim their miamis.
trinque: et tu brute then
asciilifeform: hrusch et al , partook in all of stalin's works, the sexy and the unsexy, and murdered successor, and pinned the 'unsexy' on him, and on the dead emperor, and 'look, western reich, we are civilized folx! let us into miami'
trinque: the miami meme is still a little lost on me, born as I was in FL, shithole supreme.
asciilifeform: the mythological miami.
trinque: but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Down here Miami is bigger than New York
asciilifeform: understand, congenital disease of orc, is to envy the western rome, 'where streets are clean, lifts -- unpissed, women -- as on cover of 'playboy''
asciilifeform: it's a shared mythology made possible in part by expert propagandists in w. reich , hollywood et al, and by orc's desire to believe in an earthly paradise
asciilifeform: !#s vhs america
a111: 19 results for "vhs america", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vhs%20america
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: among thinking folx in modern ru , 'miami usa' is often derisively referred to as 'valinor' , after the distant land tolkien's elves decamped to when shit hit the fan in their world
asciilifeform: ( and, the folx who salivate for the miami -- nicknamed, unsurprisingly, 'elves' )
trinque: BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what ☟︎
trinque: asciilifeform: back on the subj of gods, ever read Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness?
trinque: the operative hypothesis on my end is that 20th century powers invested their narrative power in men, and when they died, narrative died also.
asciilifeform: trinque: did not read
trinque: this isn't an implicit proposal to return to the past, just a finger pointing at the void
trinque: asciilifeform: hypothesis is well summarized in a mircea_popescu trilema post I'll find
trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/
asciilifeform: aand in n. stevenson's 'snow crash', for that matter
trinque: you know, that one has been on my list too long. I'll move it up.
trinque: but anyhow, perhaps humans stuck things in the gods that needed to mind the gap.
trinque: and perhaps the "hurr god doesn't real, now I can masturbate in peace" thing isn't the best place to park the head.
asciilifeform bbl:meats
BingoBoingo: trinque: As in the place they fixate on as "having made it"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: really gets into the pathology
trinque: yeh, heaven on earth is the most decadent shit I've ever heard.
BingoBoingo: But all they know is the glossy print. Nevermind living in better places already.
BingoBoingo: Miami's also the place where the folks with money here go shopping which probably ads to the mythology
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in philology : asciilifeform takes on ukrs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r8p4h/?raw=true ☝︎♖︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 11:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I enjoy your non-programming output
asciilifeform wonders if there's a ro version. pretty sure i heard e.g. latvian variant.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920572 << the mutual fixation was a matter of convenience. way the fuck cheaper for each retard in class to pick the other as "archnemesis" than to actually confront reality. there's a reason ignatius reilly / minka minkoff or w/e her name is are writing to each other. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 22:35 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time.
mp_en_viaje: socialism is socialism is socialism, ofcourse each relished their respective eastasias.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920588 << this is the substance of the whole jeans/rocknroll discussion, as well as the theme of integration. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:33 trinque: it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors.
mp_en_viaje: integration as a cultural phenomenon is catalized by communication infrastructure. always was, there's a reason medieval china collapsed in the arms of the steam-powered brits, or "multi-milenary" korea in japanese.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920591 << the ~meaning~ of succession here is, "authority capable of predicating meaning was discontinued". it's not a matter biological, or political, but cultural. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:34 asciilifeform: succession.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920455 << the reason i do not believe korea to be that interesting is that so much of their integration-resistence is built on deliberate blindness. if your computer is only safe if not connected to the internet, you don;t have an os of great interest. show it to be safe when online, then we'll have a talk. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 18:37 asciilifeform: revolutionaries break vital organ -- mechanism of succession to throne. this almost always gives same pattern. ( and in that light, north kr, for whatever idiocies, is unusual and worth to study , is exception )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920596 << this is entirely practicable avenue of thought, seems to me. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:39 asciilifeform: hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920602 << the us mostly used the oil domestically (for lack of practicable avenue of export, nobody nearby could afford to pay or had any use to it). pre-ww2 us is basically an exercise in doing the right thing by accident, like a man auditioning for the job of being the dirtiest man in the world having an accidental altercation with a garbage truck, six angry chimney sweeps and an oil slick onthe way there. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:47 trinque: could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US?
mp_en_viaje: it's kinda comedic to watch, tbh. "here's a people god's chasing all over the map to put things in their pockets while they drool"
mp_en_viaje: kinda the original substance of the "benevolence" thing : "we're too fucking stupid to harm anyone, honest"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920601 << iran is not "the persians". iran is the persians with a thin sliver of arabs pretending to rule them, like a sea cucumber you sprayed with latex exactly. the thinking portion hates the ruling portion, which is principally why they never get anywhere. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:46 asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
mp_en_viaje: (not proposing here there's an organised thinking portion. but one day maybe they get a mp that cares and do organize, the 100% most likely to messiah place in the current world)
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920605 << dude gtfo, that's the msot ridiculous thing i ever heard. period usg infiltration was at the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520606 stage, ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:50 asciilifeform: phunphakt, carrier of sov. prototype of manned moon vehicle -- about 1.5x size of 'apollo' -- exploded on pad. twice (Officially.) and Officially 'for no reason'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 19:01 asciilifeform: lel, did they write back to israel, 'stop sending niggerz with non-rusting staples' etc ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ~0 infiltrants, but plentiful miamiquislings
asciilifeform: some of these still alive & can be met with right here in idiotistani suburbs
asciilifeform: others - london etc
mp_en_viaje: perhaps. it seems entirely unlikely it blew up through foreign agency. it seems perfectly likely it blew up through accumulation of failure. if a) you have an official error tolerance of 1% and b) your dying empire is calling 3.7% '1%" and c) you start stacking chairs more than 3 layers tall, well... it'll blow up x% of the time "inexplicably" every time, and the x is a function of the chair tallness.
mp_en_viaje: in case of space program, chair tallness > 99, can blow inexplicably for 5-6k times before need for further explanation than this simple one.
asciilifeform: recall belenko, stole last model mig for.. not even '30 silvers', or esr's 'millions', but for life diet of canned cat food ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: or put in other terms : soviet ship blew for exact same reason us ship blew, they just didn't have a feynman to chase politburo around with a beaker of iced seal rubber
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'n1' was built at peak of sovok aeronautics, and on proven tech.
mp_en_viaje: by a DYING empire.
asciilifeform: notyet
mp_en_viaje: which is why it's called ~peak~.
mp_en_viaje: yes notyet. notdead yet. dying.
asciilifeform: fwiw very similar vehicles are the bulk of today's profit fleet.
mp_en_viaje: i don't dispute they could've done a better job of it. i am saying they weren't.
mp_en_viaje: sure.
mp_en_viaje: in the end our two explanation differ chiefly in the cognitive infrastructure you have to bolt on so it's not a case of russki idiocy
mp_en_viaje: so there has to be this directed class of malfeasants and all that. i don't necessarily see it (i'm not saying you're provedly wrong, just, seems not needed extra premise).
mp_en_viaje: fwiw i do not believe the morons who ended up on suburbs acted purposefully. they ~ended up~ there, as the just desserts of a life spent being derpy. they didn't derpy deliberately, they just derpy.
asciilifeform: plenty of idjicy to consider. e.g. there was a fixation at the time on solid-powder propellants ( for obv. icbm pluses, keeps better in storage, no need to fuel ) with repeated shoddy workmanship, pressed schedules, messy fails
mp_en_viaje: there's also a general choking of the future valve. but yes.
mp_en_viaje: you know, just like the gay song says. "feeling good was easy Lord, when he sang the blues hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm"
asciilifeform: 'feel like a trader'(tm)(tlp)
mp_en_viaje: there's a succession of steps, in sovok. and one step's the peak. the difference between the step before the peak and the step that is the peak is precisely this : object went from "feeling good was easy whne stalin sang the blues" to "i'd trade all my tomorrows for one of yesterday"
mp_en_viaje: all empires are empires of the mind ; and the problem with them is that one day comes, eventually, when feeling good's no longer easy at all.
asciilifeform: when Official decree became 'copy from w. reich', all downhill. consider e.g. buran. or the sad pdp clones.
mp_en_viaje: let's walk together into the oncology ward and sit ourselves down for a god damned minute and think.
mp_en_viaje: the bird sings in the tree there as everywhere. but there, well... there it;s not calling anyone to anything.
mp_en_viaje: it used to. but not anymore.
mp_en_viaje: you wanna tell me the doctors; derpy "citostatics" are to blame ? they're just doing their job, tryna earn enough bread to follow the bird.
asciilifeform: this model applies moar closely than, i suspect, mp_en_viaje suspects :
mp_en_viaje: has entirely nothing to do with the broken old people scattered about.
asciilifeform: sovok in the 'rockets & supercomps' sense was born, lived, and died with ~one~ particular physical generation of men
mp_en_viaje: sovok didn't get cancer from the people trying to resuscitate it somehow, so at least it lives long enough the pension comes one more time
mp_en_viaje: (you know the joke, with "we tied him on balcony" ?)
asciilifeform: see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:29 asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920627 << the permanence bullshit was uninteresting at all points. the important part is to make it fucking good while it lasts, which is why hitler, napoleon etc are way the fuck better candidates for "won at life" than whatever tedious episcopalian, boring cripple, wanna-be black man or w/e the shit the us keeps pulling out of its asshole. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:08 asciilifeform: incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, oh, drink less, you'll live longer". hurr.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920631 << dude you're fucking right, it WAS a conference joke most everyone apparently meanwhile forgot. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:11 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I am suspecting it is a conference joke I missed http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#footnote_2_54005
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920635 << if they're worth the name, they break ~the structure of meaning~. then they don't manage to fix the breakage in time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:23 trinque: asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel?
mp_en_viaje: the problem with revolutionaries is that they're driven by want, not by possibility. leaving aside how what they want isn't generally what they need (as they manage to somehow discover what they need or else don't get mentioned by name, the set remembered by history is thereby selected for this trait), by the time someone figures out what the fuck it was they were doing... it generally happens at the orchestra&gunsalute funeral of one of them rev
mp_en_viaje: olutionaries, and for bonus points it oft happens (eventually) in the head of one of the small children there present.
mp_en_viaje: by then it's too late.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920632 << you're eliding the problem though. lookit : my solution of "cunt's always on, fucking's whenever blablabla" isn't substantively better. it's different, yes, it's a helluva more fun, sure, it's overwhelmingly more productive, of course, but it is still not much of a solution, and certainly not any better. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:16 trinque: danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
mp_en_viaje: to understand why not, gotta understand the problem he's approaching. then it's obvious.
mp_en_viaje: the problem he's approach is simply that... the erect penis is the only element of limited supply. there's an erection function, and it's discontinuous throughout the perception-of-time. wut do ? how to resolve this ? when yes and when no, how do you mesh the discontinous erection timeline with the (apparently continuous, wtf is sleep etc) consciousness timeline ?
mp_en_viaje: telling a man with a problem "hey, your problem's not worth having" is a perfectly fine solution... for you. not for him. and so...
mp_en_viaje: people can, and since can therefore often do, paint themselves in corners, intellectually (which "intellectually" means totally. because what more is there). newton is fixing alchemy and dpb is fixing the erection-timeline-discontinuity.
mp_en_viaje: they're different inasmuch newton had the fucking sense to discover higher math first. but otherwise, men painted in corners are men painted in corners.
asciilifeform: i dun recall any hint of dpb suffering the... problem described here , i.e. 'awash in cunt, how do i schedule it'
mp_en_viaje: not at all the problem. he wants to know WHY.
mp_en_viaje: why now ? why not then ? how could i know in advance when ?
mp_en_viaje: there's of course no why, hence the problem.
asciilifeform: why not also fixate on 'how to know when to take shit' 'problem'
asciilifeform: somehow not problem for most
mp_en_viaje: why the hell are you asking me, not like i train people to have these.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but problem for some. it's neurosis, what.
mp_en_viaje: but every married man eventually discovers this simple fact, that there she is, why aren't i fucking her.
asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
mp_en_viaje: "well, it's not the right moon phase" may be cheaper than "cuz i can't fucking get it up holy shit, how much is enough!"
asciilifeform: all serious sufferers of 'acute christianosis of the cns' are flagellants. ride the highs, suffer the lows, like cocainists.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, indulge me. suppose you sit enthroned in your harem, and girly comes cuddling at your feet, like a cat. "master, please fuck me ?" now, your answer is gonna be no. this is a given, you simply can't keep up. and since it's a rational harem you're running there, she might inquire "but why not ?" and you say...
mp_en_viaje: see, the actual girl
mp_en_viaje: is NOT NEEDED for this nightmare to be a nightmare. you can be worried that if you say x she may say y whether she;s there or not.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, for best results she shouldn't be there, the physical slavegirl may prove distracting to the neurosis.
asciilifeform: i suppose it'd have to be 'i am old and studying for the grave, find new master' in this scenario
mp_en_viaje: he has the problems i ~could~ have, because i don't. see ? makes perfect sense, i ride the highs, he suffers the lows. like labour division.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, why ? what, seriously ?
asciilifeform: if not so, then why must answer 'no' to the gurl
mp_en_viaje: if harems ended when the male couldn't keep up with the hussies they'd be in the periodic table, with the late actinids. lifespan measured in picoseconds.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, cuz you can't get it up lmao.
asciilifeform: next i guess we can play the scenario where friends invite me to go but cannot go, 'eh, arthritis'
mp_en_viaje: consider the facts : 1. a permanent erection is a medical emergency. 2. every single female can, in fact, fuck permanently. 3. there's more than one of them as per the definition of the harem.
asciilifeform: it is inevitable to grow old, unless fortunate enuff to be killed. but it is not inevitable to go into neurotic arse-mouth linkage
mp_en_viaje: your erection ratio is definitionally <1 while their cuntdrooling ratio is definitionally >1.
mp_en_viaje: see ? problem.
mp_en_viaje: and THIS is the neurosis, substantially, "that if she asks and i say no might as well tell her to find another one".
mp_en_viaje: what, you think my slaves are enslaved by my fucking PENIS !?
asciilifeform: the fella who sends away his harem and calmly swallows pistol is imho not thereby a neurotic. the neurotic is the one who dwells, and loses his mind long before loses body, on acct of dwelling
mp_en_viaje: especially if there's no harem, even.
asciilifeform: harem is far from necessary moving part in this gedankenexperiment.
mp_en_viaje: neurosis is always this "what if" with an unsatisfied major premise. "what if my house burns down ?!" "do you have a house ?" "not yet..."
asciilifeform: !#s kikos
a111: 0 results for "kikos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kikos
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: famous armenian folk tale re subj
asciilifeform: there's a sov-era animation of it somewhere
mp_en_viaje: there's lots of 'em, seeing how this is the principal eater of minds in peacetime
mp_en_viaje: (amusingly, socialism not only requires belicose fantasies to maintain themselves -- but also dies by them. miami-ism is fundamentally the mindeater of wartime, cowardice)
asciilifeform: little girl is sent to fetch water in the well, and comes back, 'mother , father , kikos , great man, has drowned!'
asciilifeform: 'who?' 'kikos. my future husband' and tells whole tale
asciilifeform: in the end turns out she dropped bucket. and then imagined all sortsa...
mp_en_viaje: girly should be married off.
mp_en_viaje: it's time.
asciilifeform: 'and in fell his horse, and the whole army, and our three sons, who went to save'em...'
asciilifeform: heh
mp_en_viaje: you know ?
mp_en_viaje: so at noon i was gonna feed this cute burlesque performer the girls picked up yest (long story), and i was hoping to get the nsa thing done in the meanwhile, but here i sit TWO HOURS LATER still going through the logs.
mp_en_viaje: nuts logs tonight.
asciilifeform: lol was maybe 20ln since mp_en_viaje last in
asciilifeform: pocket-sized log
mp_en_viaje: tough lines!
asciilifeform: ha
mp_en_viaje: just look what happened, will you ? 20 lines produced 500 and i'm barely into the next day.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920560 << incidentally, it's also very useful. "does your phone have interent ?" "yes" "give it here". then "what do you think this is ?" "looks like your slaves naked in the hotel" "ikr". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 15:16 asciilifeform: a++ phototour
mp_en_viaje: very quick answer to all sorta questions, i can get through like 5-6 normal people "dates" in all of three minutes.
mp_en_viaje: which is fucking beautiful, cuz it's precisely why i even made a blog in the first place, save my fucking time.
mp_en_viaje: anwyay, to briefly revisit the "you found your cock, congrats" theme : people keep telling kids sex is a big deal, esp in the us. this unites it with freud-era vienna, where similarily. it's a losing move, getting kids convinced sex is a big deal ends up with too much garbage downstream, and especially very expensive garbage.
mp_en_viaje: it is actually a much better play to tell them it's not a big deal at all and let nature take its course. deal with the teenaged mothers and whatever else, cheaper than trying to recuperate 30yo "religious" mind.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920640 << henry 2 also had heir. ever heard of john lackland ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:26 trinque: why didn't he end up in the chair?
mp_en_viaje: being a heir is such a kiss of death... they almost never fucking make it, terrible thing to be, an heir.
mp_en_viaje: in other coincidentals : for many years now the agarwood's been exhausted in the wild ; by now this is the most valuable agricultural resource. >100mn dubaloos / ton.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920642 << this theory has some problems ; one among many being that stalin was actually preparing to behead beria. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:27 asciilifeform: ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920651 << it was born because all the latino chicks want to go there ; and from some observation of mine re the implicit capitol of a spanish empire that still exists in the minds if not on the map and so on. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:33 trinque: but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what clues suggest it ?
asciilifeform: ( re behead of beria )
asciilifeform: dun tell me it is on same hrusch.'evidence' as his cannibalism etc
mp_en_viaje: how much revisionism are you contemplating here ? eg, "beria was so happy stalin '''died''' and prolly killed him" ?
asciilifeform: the exact amt of 'revisionism' where 'let's subtract what hrusch et al concocted, see what remains', sorta like we subtract what gavin & co adulterated bitcoin src with
mp_en_viaje: well, yes/no the above ?
asciilifeform: admittedly this leaves very little written record to work with, the usurpers knew what they were doing, burned ~errything
mp_en_viaje: and then you want me to tell you "what indicia". well wtf, answer some q's. the above, or "was stalin given rat poison" or "was beria popular or impopular in 1952" or SOMETHING
mp_en_viaje: this position whereby "i discard all record for $cause" and then "what indicia do you have" is just obscurantism.
mp_en_viaje: was beria i nfact the proponent of much more de-stalinisation than politburo was willing to take ?
mp_en_viaje: there's a list.
asciilifeform: re poison, the legend goes that stalin fell on floor after drinking from cup, no medical man was admitted into his chamber until well cold an' stiff, and when finally admitted -- cup gone. or some such.
asciilifeform: i was not there, with time machine.
mp_en_viaje: the whole "bald guy with glasses used to give girls a taste of life, gave stalin some rat poison, thought he'd make phriends among some really weary people who just perceived him as a lunatic" washes with me.
mp_en_viaje: happens to also be more or less the mainstream theory, but anyways.
asciilifeform: who gave the poison is even entirely other puzzler. ( 'mainstream' dogma btw is 'what poison!?' )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920660 << absofuckinlutely & literally. "stars", whole subculture, about half the girls that look like one could be bothered to fuck them sober. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:41 trinque: BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what
mp_en_viaje: they have little magazines dedicated to mutual stroking of the achieve-envy-fail-gloat cycle, it's all there.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, check http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2019-statement/#selection-31.0-285.12 with me, so we actually had 0 movement of any kind throughout march, april, may, june ?
mp_en_viaje: paid nothing, bought nothing, sold nothing, nothing at all ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837808 << apparently this is so, colocation only comes due next month. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 03:58 mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.22505299 S.NSA colocation (dulap) through June 2019
asciilifeform: we havent bought an' sold , correct, in this interval
asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa ☟︎
asciilifeform: esp. nao that dpb, i suspect, will not long have his fg dealership
mp_en_viaje: prolly a good idea.
asciilifeform to bed, past 0300 here and full conveyor for tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: nn
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), Statement on Q2 2019
asciilifeform: sooo mp_en_viaje doesn't like running sovok fish counter circa 1991, where there aint any fish. and per the charter, owns in effect 100% of controlling shares, so entirely his decision.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform will be sacked, will have to find a new place to receive 0.0000 paystubs with generous helpings of being shat on for working for a living in saeculum;
asciilifeform: next mp_en_viaje will 'sack' the 30% of piz that snsa owns, an' take smg (the item that functions on proper schedule, like train station, where the employees actually paid and dun slave in saeculum) to heathen isp;
asciilifeform: next will sack the remaining orchestra of folx who can't meet train station timetable on acct of slaving in saeculum;
asciilifeform: next will sack... himself? and retire to memoirs ?
asciilifeform: an' we did have a dress rehearsal, of a kind, for this, in '17.
asciilifeform: personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters, imho the resources for this are there. but it aint actually ~my~ fish counter, i just catch fish for it ( with no boat an' no net, but with bare hands. )
asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje , and with working isp, than w/out. but may have to without, apparently.
asciilifeform: i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, come again ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the necessary cycle, was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-15 19:08 asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
mp_en_viaje: i dun have a plan, i have a problem.
asciilifeform: 'in my country there's a problem!'(tm)(r)
mp_en_viaje: well ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure i described the available variants. what did i miss ?
mp_en_viaje: "personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters" << is this the available variants ? metaphore ?
mircea_popescu: o gawd, feedbot sure had a hardon for me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to work with mircea_popescu , and would prefer to continue, but as i understand was already proclaimed a lamer, and why would mircea_popescu want to work with a lamer ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's original conveyor consisted of 'wrap peh to usability in battlefield by end of summer' and 'deliver irons to piz' (ditto, interval) . both on track atm. the former on track even if asciilifeform sacked, the latter will have to be reworked, if ditto.
diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( next item was to be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920848 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 07:07 asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa
asciilifeform: diana_coman: maybe he oughta be sacked ! who am i to say
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, alf reads his own articles.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun have a wunderwaffe up my sleeve that'd allow me to work 4x faster, or wunderwaffe of such kind that 'do not sack, i have this-here wunderwaffe!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, try and think about the actual problem being discussed, rather than some simpler problem you feel more at ease with and everyone else should be retarded enough to permit the replacement with.
mircea_popescu: the core of that article is trinque 's lament, not your feelings as to the world and your adequacy in it. the man has a point -- large and round and not something we can afford to ignore.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i've failed to apprehend the actual item, dun hesitate to elaborate, asciilifeform is grown-up and can be relied on not to cry
diana_coman: I'm keeping silent because I'm at a loss as to how to get through to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: diana_coman: also dun hesitate to elaborate. 'get through' re what? 'quit that day job, live on sunlight?'
asciilifeform: i dun know how to photosynthesize, diana_coman .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; get through that it's about communication not about amount of work put in.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, atm im figuring some time and a re-read is the only ticket.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i presume 'communicate' dun look like e.g. this ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
asciilifeform: loox like something else ? does diana_coman want e.g. the mips draft, what w/ some unknown % of bugginess ? for what ?
asciilifeform: or a ch20 where the mistakes not fixed ? ( instead of proofreading, asciilifeform is having this-here thread... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it does not count. because it is ~retrospective~. this is how rocks communicate, "i can't speak for other hunks, but so far i hurtled three miles downhill"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; and communication is both-ways, includes reading what others say not what the reader thinks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how'bout e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917567 ? was announced in real time as it went. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 15:38 asciilifeform: for completeness : output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what to do when readers are silent ? e.g. all i have re 2019 ch's is diana_coman's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919204 , thus far. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I did and I even found it easier than previous material though I'm not sure why;
diana_coman: asciilifeform: when *you are the reader*!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920864 << asciilifeform the thing to do seems to be bias towards action. Get iron racked, but also get a mechanical people scoop going. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the necessary cycle, was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i rec to wait an' see what mircea_popescu et al say -- maybe asciilifeform is a tard and has no biz handling irons, maybe oughta shine shoes
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920899 -> you just did it right here; tell me where exactly did I "suspect" such a thing; and see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920874 . ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:06 asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:54 diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how to read e.g. http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-427.42-433.35 w/out drawing this inference ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu aint wrong, most types of tree actually grow faster than asciilifeform's creations. not to mention on steadier schedule. ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform: you tell me how can you draw "this inference" given http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-427.119-427.240 that specifically and directly contradicts it?
asciilifeform: e.g. ffa , if counted from when asciilifeform first started the notebook and blew dust off knuth, is 3 y.o. nao.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: '...and in time close this one down. Fundamentally, the problem with intelligent people is that their flaws are unfixable -- were they fixable they'd have fixed them by now, and since they didn't fix them before they're not gonna start at any later point, and certainly not because they like you or something.' ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's not an answer to my question, is it; there is that direct contradiction there, right? it can't just be waived because whatever and it precisely points at the fact that the problem is not about "sacking asciilifeform" really.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma go to tea, and perhaps during this either someone deigns to cut the binomial into pieces that fit in asciilifeform's head, or will fit by itself, or not.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems to be that the problem is MP is stuck in a "Wat do?" loop.
BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151 ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Having the MIPS thing in the log is good, but taking good stuff out of the log for the blog to highlight and more easily find later is a value add.
BingoBoingo: Log archaeology to follow old yet ongoing threads has a cost. Blog posts, even if they aren't substantially more than index cards manage to reduce the cost of substantially.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, looky, management is a rational activity. like medicine. when you go to the doctor's office, irrespective of what you say, he's going to seek the answer to a very specific set of questions, which he has pre-determined, and which he is not adjusting to you in any way -- on the contrary.
mp_en_viaje: if you proceed to explain to him how you don't feel urine tests are an adequate measure of your kidneys, because they're made of light and so something with a stroboscope would be rather preferable, he's going simply output a mental health specialist recommendation. because he does not care what you say ; he does not care what you think ; the process you are engaging in by going to the doctor is not open to your intellectual contribution in the s
mp_en_viaje: ense of revolutionarizing the fundamentals.
mp_en_viaje: management is exactly the same thing : a rational process. it is for the same exact cause just exactly as disinterested in your personality, your worldview, or the mask you put on things to make it possible to get out of bed in the morning.
mp_en_viaje: management is the art and practice of optimizing known processes, and of reducing all phenomena to known processes. that's all it is, and all it does. it is a mighty useful thing, too, but not for everyone.
mp_en_viaje: management is only useful for rational agents, which is to say, they who do not expect to form some kind of personal relationship with it ; but instead use it, which is to say, permit it to operate upon them.
mp_en_viaje: you have been, systematically if ineffectually (though i'm sure it looks exactly the other way from inside) attempting to escape management. this is an unhealthy state of affairs, and one that bars you from meaningful interaction with other people.
mp_en_viaje: it's not a matter of "mp". it is a matter that, alf as he finds himself, incapable of any rational process besides retrospective description, is not actually in a place where he can do anything with anyone else. exactly like the given example of the fallen rock.
asciilifeform: see, diana_coman , did not misread.
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm very much aware "asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje" etc. the problem here is -- you will do no such thing. what you will do, instead, is reconfigure your own desk into some sort of shape you and you alone deem meaningful, and that's all. because it is not POSSIBLE, for the man who can't say either "i will do this" and then do it, nor "i said i would do this, but d
mp_en_viaje: idn't, so this is how i'll be different from now on", it is not POSSIBLE to do anything worthy of such lofty names as "sane computing" or even "programmed vcr".
asciilifeform: incidentally to tie in old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919350 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations.
mp_en_viaje: you HAVE TO be able to work with others in order to make things. there's no way out of this. and you HAVE TO be able to plan, and execute, and review plans and executions, to work with others.
mp_en_viaje: this is business 101, everyone who ever worked with people in any capacity understands it as a necessary part and parcel of what their life experience meant ; much like everyone who's ever been to the doctor understands that such contributions as "gimme the white round ones, they're the best" are not proper.
asciilifeform: entirely willing to work with people, review plans, etc. but if mp_en_viaje declares ' i have snails here in terrarium faster than asciilifeform ' then i have no counter-argument, what sorta counter could there be.
mp_en_viaje: if you bother to review the source material, you might discover that is entirely ~your~ contribution.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: then what was topic ? the lack of a per-ch release calendar ? attempted already, all it did is to add to asciilifeform's reputation as charlatan. and for that matter i dun recall any successes among the other folx with day jobs re multiweek calendars for pro-bono worx.
mp_en_viaje: this pos sure picked the time to be flaky
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you never discussed WHY it just added to reputation of charlatan. why did it ?
mp_en_viaje: what are you doing differently to avoid it ?
mp_en_viaje: wtf is this, "i don't like the way the tests results are coming out so ima impugn the lab" ? "i'm not fat, i'm just stressed and besides everyone this side of ozarks looks like this" ?
asciilifeform: left off making promises which i dun have the resources to make good on, is all of it
mp_en_viaje: gimme a break, the infantile copouts.
mp_en_viaje: you;re supposed to LEARN HOW TO make promises. much like you were supposed to LEARN HOW TO manage BingoBoingo
mp_en_viaje: not "run away to bedroom because nyah nyah"
asciilifeform: waitasec, he's the chair, why asciilifeform is to manage him ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920894 << nope, real time is exactly not it. exact same shiot as retrospective, really, purely irrational. to be rational, it must be PROSPECTIVE. science makes predictions not "in real time" or after tjhe fact. BEFORE the fact. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how'bout e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917567 ? was announced in real time as it went.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, historically, because you draw the charter such.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo accepted the chairmanship, entirely in accordance with charter, when old chair abdicated.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920907 << do you grok the difference between astronomer, who says "tomorrow -- eclypse" and tree, which... simply grows ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu aint wrong, most types of tree actually grow faster than asciilifeform's creations. not to mention on steadier schedule.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so your notion of pizarro is that it's self-managed now ?
mp_en_viaje: you're like a copout goldmine, it's something else.
asciilifeform: working from the literal text. where board, consisting of mod6 & asciilifeform , hired BingoBoingo as chairman, with mutual agreement of all parties ( and iirc encouragement of mp_en_viaje & co )
mp_en_viaje: and what's he gonna do ?
asciilifeform: issue decrees, consult viziers , execute.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mod6 passed management of the month to month to me and left the chair on high for you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he did ?! cuz actually mod6 is atm the majority holder, asciilifeform owes a coin ( to piz, and another 1/3 of coin to mp_en_viaje , will prolly end up having to break open cold store for it )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc
BingoBoingo: I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: atm mod6 is majority holder.
asciilifeform: structure of piz is convo that has to be had, but it is really 2 very diff convos depending on whether http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920862 or not, so prolly oughta be had 2nd, rather than 1st. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:36 asciilifeform: i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in.
mp_en_viaje: my memory of the discussion also seems to be that, in summa, alf was gonna learn how to manage others on the well tried hide of BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is a different conversation, but there's a shared thread in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 the communication problem ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer terminal is firing double shots
mp_en_viaje: sorry about that.
mp_en_viaje: internet goes shitty at the precisely useful moment, what can i do. eventually i get pissed off enough, step away, bbl.
mp_en_viaje: and so following in this fucking vein, we had various hanger-ons being beheaded periodically, who tried to various things just as long as nothing useful, rebrand FG, make website for whatever, utter useless derpitude. deedbot wallet has today all the users it was born with and naught else. far, far from synnergy, and things ratcheting each other out of the swamp, as the grand design demands, we have mutually assisted insignificance on an epic sca
mp_en_viaje: le.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for my part 'would much rather people ask why there aint a statue to him, than why there is'
mp_en_viaje: which yes, is not the problem of asciilifeform personally. nevertheless, the part where nobody can predict what the fuck's gonna happen and when is one of the strands i believe the ultimate failure aggregate's weaved from.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920916 << nevermind fucking nerves. there is NO OPTIONALITY WHATSOEVER! management is this : "here's a, here's b, do we a or b ?". the whole implementation of rationality in human activity is based on fuckiong choice. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:28 BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
mp_en_viaje: retrospective description of activity is THE OPPOSITE of this.
mp_en_viaje: because you can't go back in time and do anything differently ; if you're married to this "here's my narrative of what i've done", you're a worm, digging out wormholes through the wood or w/e.
asciilifeform: then -- worm ? ( what does mp_en_viaje gain from working with worm ? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have with what to disagree with mp. he wants professional, well-scheduled performance, like e.g. asciilifeform's day job. and he gets it, from diana_coman , whom he employs fulltime. as for asciilifeform & the other 'hangers on', all they've to bring to the table is, i guess, worm shit ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason' ☟︎
asciilifeform: oblig sov joak :
asciilifeform: ww2. lieutenant observes that one of the mg nests under his command has fallen silent. he goes and asks, 'sgt. petrov, why is your mg silent ?'
asciilifeform: 'lt. ivanov, we are out of belts'
asciilifeform: lt i. : 'but, sgt petrov, you are a member of communist party!'
asciilifeform: the mg promptly resumed chattering.
BingoBoingo: Well, you can try to make the hours that you have count. Proactive communication, bait folks with the problems you are chewing on. Get Peh battle ready and pivot to Pizarro and get an outreach machine going.
BingoBoingo: With the aim of outreach machine eventually killing the need for fiat dayjob
BingoBoingo: There's only so many hours and only so many erections
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mp, for instance, does not enjoy reading such broadcasts and i dun think anyone else does either ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
asciilifeform: soon enuff will discover that erryone (with exception of diana_coman) is -- worm
BingoBoingo: This suggests the priority ought to be action towards killing the 50 hours of Microshit brain cancer, no?
asciilifeform: if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go. ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how ?
mircea_popescu: god damn this pos.
BingoBoingo: Well, the whole aim of Pizarro is to try to make money. S.NSA hardware for Pizarro, and an outreach machine for Pizarro would seem the avenue to liberate your time from microsoft.
mircea_popescu apologizes to ppls for his in and out shenanigans. hopefully fixed now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no worries, lol, i cleared calendar, have time.
mircea_popescu: trinque, coupla withdrawals ping. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920961 << basically, an abandoned ship, sailing randomly for as long as no rocks decide any better. sounds PRECISELY like the foundation. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:25 BingoBoingo: I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital
mircea_popescu: did not work out for the foundation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re piz -- the mips item , i think i described, is so that ea. of the 32core boxen can be cut into 32 'you have root' properly isolated virtuals, which then can be leased to heathens w/out particular selectivity. but this requires not only for it to be finished properly ( it is on conveyor behind peh, which i explicitly promised to mp et al ) but for machine delivery to proceed.
mircea_popescu: this is not a workable model. i won't even call it "business model", it has 0 to do with business.
asciilifeform: if not proceed, then i haven't what to give. and mircea_popescu aint wrong, atm he is in person 90% of the customers.
mircea_popescu: "atm". this atm stretched like cheese over the YEARS
asciilifeform: 1y 2mo
mircea_popescu: i... suppose.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you have 7 hours that can either load Peh or get an outreach machine going, there seems to be an opportunity cost
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i intend to first learn whether mircea_popescu even wants to run a worm farm.
mircea_popescu: he does not.
BingoBoingo: It seems like he wants us to develop legs
mircea_popescu: if the idea here is, "show mp a good time", the average daily budget of the yurpean burlesque show attraction, a well built girl in her 20s, is <20 euros.
mircea_popescu: just finished feeding one earlier today, pretty little thing.
BingoBoingo: Having as we do finite erections and not infinite cunt, we don't have the right parts for mircea_popescu to beat us into having legs. We gotta start making our own legs.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920985 << it's not clear to me what the problem is ; it also does not make much of a difference what the problem is. i am not going to become usg.fed, underbooking everyone's everything. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
mircea_popescu: holy hell look at that, just as soon as getting the fuck alligned to reality is in discussion, what ignatius wanna do is resurrect greenspan. what the fuck nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is there a bent nickle you made that i kept from you or something ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think anyone expects this. if mircea_popescu wanted 7 moar diana_coman's, for something, could have already hired'em
mircea_popescu: get your ass in the fucking hustle rather than whining to me about how poor you are.
mircea_popescu: make a dime, have a nickle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun have any complaint to mircea_popescu re bent nickels.
mircea_popescu: then wtf are you on about ?
mircea_popescu: not like i;m sitting here on a pile of gold an' coin amassed through exploiting phf, mod6 an; poor little old you but won' tsplit the loot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody's tryin' to expropriate mircea_popescu . ( not here anyway )
mircea_popescu: then what, exactly, is the substance of your complain ?
asciilifeform: fundamentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919350 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920936 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:08 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu expects full-time pro a+++ work & reporting from folx who have 0-10 hrs/wk they managed to keep from the salt mine boss.
mircea_popescu: eh, bs. reporting isn't some sort of chore that's to be shoved in the wasted hours, after "real work" was done.
mircea_popescu: reporting is THE CORE of real work. not some bullshit side part. THE CORE.
mircea_popescu: ikf you don't start with it, and build on it, you're not working, you're just wasting everyone's time, yours first and foremost.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu also does not like empty report.
mircea_popescu: dude...
asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
mircea_popescu: human industry isn't this activity whereby orc sees field, goes RAAAAAA!!! and runs amuk in it, the results to be tallied later by forensics.
mircea_popescu: that's orc activity.
mircea_popescu: human industry is this ~deliberate~ approach to things.
mircea_popescu: you whine about how windows computers don't tag memory and processes properly, but your own fucking head... doesn't tag either time or activity, is the idea here ?
mircea_popescu: lisp that shit up, beotch. same exact fucking thing!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu still convinced that ' asciilifeform doesn't think it out properly ' rather than ' trying to take off 'cessna' weighing 2 tonne , loaded with 20 ' ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920994 << you fucking read them, mother! you read them, for YOU to find out why you suck! jaysus. you think people write journals for the public ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head'
BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i know you don't. do you know how i know ? because you can't produce the items! if you had them, you'd have been having them by now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who, incidentally, ought asciilifeform to have been learning from ? which is the hero that, with full time salt mine, also 'has the items' and keeps the schedule etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920995 << "enjoys" nothing, the world's not here for your enjoyment. that item was ~IMPORTANT~ because it permitted discussion, through being a basis for it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:56 asciilifeform: mp, for instance, does not enjoy reading such broadcasts and i dun think anyone else does either
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what anyone enjoys. i got the topless starlets to enjoy me out the wazoo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so be the first, what fucking difference does it have. life can not proceed without modles ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920999 << yes, eventually someone else will have to do all the things you do not do. you know this going in, or rather, coming out into this world. entirely unrelated and fucking uninteresting sidepoint, of the caliber of appending "a=a" to all sorta technical manuals. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:03 asciilifeform: if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go.
asciilifeform: tried to be the 1st. and ended up with fg ( did it ever make back what mircea_popescu put in for us to bake it ? ) and a demonstrably-correct numerics stack that dun leak ( which apparently nobody wants to even read, much less use )
asciilifeform: and isp where mircea_popescu is ~only customer. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i am not concerned so much by whether fg made back or not.
mircea_popescu: but fg was also years ago\
mircea_popescu: and don't say "1yr2mo" ima smack you
asciilifeform: i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time . ☟︎
mircea_popescu: aite. ima be around in a coupla.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920872 -> what is for asciilifeform "work with mircea_popescu " ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to work with mircea_popescu , and would prefer to continue, but as i understand was already proclaimed a lamer, and why would mircea_popescu want to work with a lamer ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921064 << Let us try to fix this part. This is the opening to get your hours and boners back from Microshit. I find the saltmining forever assumption troubling. Digging for the manticore reference yesterday I got struck pretty hard with the melancholoy counting the years. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:27 asciilifeform: and isp where mircea_popescu is ~only customer.
BingoBoingo: Draw up some tea, take a walk, and give some serious thought to maximizing your return on effort with the aim of breaking out of the salt mine.
BingoBoingo: Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: The disease afflicting the republic is that 2013, 2014 through 2019 and three figure USD bitcoin reported by heathens to 4 and 5 figure Bitcoin reported by heathens is that while a bunch of very cool tools have been made, there hasn't been much escaping from the bezzle.
BingoBoingo: I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:22 BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma.
BingoBoingo: You work is of uniformly high quality and you have identified the obstacle to producing more of it. Let us try to pivot to action to blast the obstacle. Maybe the next quarterly S.NSA statement includes "To my pleasant surprise..."
asciilifeform: holyshit i have an undocumented cat in the house.
asciilifeform: somewhere. and can't find where.
asciilifeform: ( literally, the kind w/ 4 legs )
BingoBoingo: Well, US pressed shitboard construction.
asciilifeform: shitboard not to blame, i think walked in when door was briefly open.
asciilifeform: i expect will make himself known eventually.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921075 << we have slim but realistic shot of emplacing 32 heathens and reaching breakeven (counting BingoBoingo's food & pad) , per the outlined mips + irons plan. if mp goes home, however, and cancels his irons, even slimmer. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i have coin enuff to run for another ~year (if no major swings in exchange rt) and then through. mg nest outta belt.
BingoBoingo: There's one way to keep mircea_popescu from going home and that is action. Blades spin, clock ticks, can't walk backwards in time, etc... gotta start acting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm all for constructive actions. but if the script calls 'beg for mercy' then it's through, asciilifeform is not into s&m and is grown man rather than pet chix, will not beg anyone for anyffin. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Script pointedly does not call for mercy begging. Calls for you drawing some tea, taking a walk, and reflecting on how to maximize the return on your time outside the saltmines.
asciilifeform: well i'm back from tea an' walk (to get, lol, moar tea.)
asciilifeform: looking improbable that will put out ch20 today as proclaimed (charlatan!!11) but still not impossible.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, break even may seem far away, but it is pointedly not the end. Break alf out of saltmines at some point needs to be on the table.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's salt mine detail consists of very similar thing to what diana_coman does ( unravel ancient cpp hairball, replacing w/ sanity, under the drums of Proper Management an' w/ regular parcels & report etc )
asciilifeform: 3y tour of duty an' counting. improvement over the prev, in that no commute and actually leaves some energy for actual work. but evidently not enuff.
asciilifeform: ( as i understand, e.g. mod6 , phf , are in even darker corners. )
BingoBoingo: The evidence is mounting that any amount of salt mine is too much, gotta make the aim getting out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i knew how to do it, would have done it in 2013 . earlier. it aint as if i have a bottle of 'get outta salt mine' behind glass, 'break glass', that was saving for some (what?) occasion.
asciilifeform: i had -- a laffably small bag o'coin, nao 2/3 spent.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/trump-goes-to-north-korea-press-secretary-injured-when-reporters-aggressed-security/ << Qntra -- Trump Goes To North Korea, Press Secretary Injured When Reporters Aggressed Security
BingoBoingo: Well, lets try to make Pizarro the thing that gets you out.
BingoBoingo: Do you think you can take an hour this upcoming week to publish an outline of the MIPS thing and where you see it going on your blog?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu & co. indicate that they'd care to read this, then sure. otherwise waste.
asciilifeform: thus far afaik the only target application for the system in question is piz.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not a waste at all.
BingoBoingo: It's a thing to shove in people's faces. Do you want this, Y/n?
asciilifeform: presumably if someone wanted, would've spoken up when concept was 1st sketched out in log.
BingoBoingo: Well, if you sketch it out in the blog it'll be easier to ask strangers if they want it.
BingoBoingo: Appears to be exactly the sort of bright crackpottery that might hook "thinking man" out in the wild.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'thinking men in the wild' proposition resembling 'seti'(tm) moar with each passing day.
BingoBoingo: Which makes the fishing all the more important.
BingoBoingo: billymg and Mocky weren't here in 2016 much less 2013
asciilifeform: to both of'em can apply ~same certificate of tardation as to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: arguably Mocky , in mircea_popescu's school of thought, achieved much moar. but still apparently in glue trap.
BingoBoingo: Or we can try to get you acting in a way that'll give you some legs
BingoBoingo: At some point the ratio of conversations about "grandfather's pistols" to "our missile batteries" is going to have to improve.
BingoBoingo: We've had tremendous buildout of tools, and that needs to continue. At some point we gotta use the tools.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm tuned in, but would rather answer concretes, and in pulsed bursts, to keep up snr. for nao will go to other terminal.
BingoBoingo: Aite
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/30/notes-on-graphics-for-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- Notes on Graphics for Eulora
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/30/pizarro-isp-june-30th-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 30th Update
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921068 << it's the same thing as two years ago, and i fear two years from now too : 1. write "i am going to X" ; then either 2a. do x or else 2b-1. explain why you didn't do x AND 2b-2 explain what you're going to do differently, ie, CHANGE, about yourself, so as not to be in the b branch again ; and then later 3. review how well 2b-2 has been working out for you and CHANGE SOME MORE. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:30 asciilifeform: i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time .
mircea_popescu: this being the fundamental point here : if you're gonna stay the same, no need to even wait for me to rate whatever. just fucking walk away. the point of republican life is meaningful change, not herpderp, my own insanity is so much better than pete_d's or whoevers, notwithstanding they're both made of exactly same infantile substance.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no difference, you understand this, between an overgrown child who's tying polished stones to his wrist/ankle/whatever, an overgrown child who's spending all his time in bound fascination over his own erections, and an overgrown child who simply can not fucking organize, predict and review his own activity.,
mircea_popescu: you're all sitting on the exact same piles of self-righteousness, too, it's something beyond parody. one dude's got the "suave exclusive" pile of veblens and is snickering at you other two, while the other dude's got his "truly truthful" pile o' divines an' is snickering a tyou other two, and you've got your single-path-impredictable-and-unreviewable theorems and snickering at them two. cuz nobody really understands the real
mircea_popescu: weird in this one particular way, right.
mircea_popescu: god fucking forbid you look at the damned things in the face, you might die or something.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921070 << ever been on a date with one of those weird fucks who want to drive you there, cook the meal, feed it to you while holding the glass and then perhaps even fuck you (while you're passed out, preferably, so they get to move your legs and maybe even your lips for you with their own hand) ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 19:05 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920872 -> what is for asciilifeform "work with mircea_popescu " ?
mircea_popescu: we're watching tv, in the sense i'm to sit here and nod my head while he does the voices and jumps up and down through the livingroom.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921072 << you know ? that chick was manticoring back before ~most everyone ever bitcoined, and exactly zero rubbed off. instead we're having "how dumb is hanbot!!!" festivals, because god forbid learn something from the one woman that knows shit none of us do. how about instead be so impressed with this one weird trick! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921064 << Let us try to fix this part. This is the opening to get your hours and boners back from Microshit. I find the saltmining forever assumption troubling. Digging for the manticore reference yesterday I got struck pretty hard with the melancholoy counting the years.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921077 << i for instance had little idea he was doing that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921086 << i'm not cancelling anything dude, nor have i. FOR YEARS. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 20:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921075 << we have slim but realistic shot of emplacing 32 heathens and reaching breakeven (counting BingoBoingo's food & pad) , per the outlined mips + irons plan. if mp goes home, however, and cancels his irons, even slimmer.
mircea_popescu: now can we be done taxiing in a circle and start taking off already.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921090 << now that you mention it, i remember this weird theme from before, too. wtf ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 20:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm all for constructive actions. but if the script calls 'beg for mercy' then it's through, asciilifeform is not into s&m and is grown man rather than pet chix, will not beg anyone for anyffin.
BingoBoingo to take an overdue walk now that the wind is properly biting and "ballots" (fliers printed by the candidates) are being counted.
mircea_popescu: enjoy