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trinque: omg culture appropriation!!11!
BigTexasBingo: Gracias, while hacer poopoo, hade a day with a suburban girl for Thursday night
BigTexasBingo: Trinque nick on this device was set up for Houston airport
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752737 << laundry is dry ; dishes are wet ; laundry is light, dishes are heavy in terms of dirt -- if you ever fish as much oil out of a shirt as out of a plate you oughta see a doctor. consequently laundry keeps better than dishes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:57 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 .
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:58 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 21:01 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:27 mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:28 mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 o hey, remember when you didn't want to write on your tits, cuz "too little" ?
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mircea_popescu: o by the way, i checked out some indian films recently.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is that adam sandler wannabe Aamir Khan schmuck ?
mircea_popescu: no, i didn't like it. it's fucking offensively terrible.
mircea_popescu: did you see trinque made a bitcoin wallet now and everything ?
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phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: not a bad fit, but the guy is going ass-backwards about it.
phf: ought to be invitide™
phf: asciilifeform: will update all the thing, motherbored finally gave out on the main machine so taking some time to get my infrastructure in order
mircea_popescu: don't believe everything you read ; especially not online.
phf: this l0de show is now trolling all the people who showed up from the mass advertisement and raging in the youtube live stream section. i'm away from internet for one day, come back it's the same amount of shitshow
phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
☟︎☟︎ phf: mircea_popescu: i was saying we should invite him, but i realized that was stupid as soon as i said it
mats: lel, i tuned in a couple weeks ago after spam in another chan - weev was brought on and proceeded to rave about using btc to place shorts on papa johns stock
mats: and then using his aryan brotherhood pals to pimp the corp
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 14:45 mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
mats: from the looks of his unfinished room, none of that happened
mircea_popescu: in other news, here's another thing teh republic wants to hire : an exceptional orfevre.
phf: we're finally going full knight templar?
phf wouldn't mind having one of those oversized, drafty castles where you have to run a fireplace to heat one room out of 20 (or was it 30? we've lost count during last inspection, etc.)
cazalla: yet to step foot there, still waiting on my citizenship and passport
cazalla: know much about whisky mp? bought myself a $500 bottle, bit disappointed, not sure what i expected or if scammed lol (26yr old glenfiddich)
cazalla: figured why not, once doesn't hurt, not gonna double down and get the 30 yr old
cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
☟︎ deedbot: sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
sofiababy: the instructions on how to create a key
sofiababy: it seems somethings a slightly different
sofiababy: i was jus saying u need to update it
cazalla: where do you cam sofiababy ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i apologise for disappearing. I was in meatspace this weekend
sofiababy: In your task bar, right click on the Kleopatra icon, go to ‘Clipboard’, then click ‘Certificate Import’
esthlos: mircea_popescu: my thesis is probably the most interesting.
cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
☟︎ phf: cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible
mircea_popescu: cazalla phf all your questions are answered i presume ?
mircea_popescu: in other esthlos-powered insta-lulz, "I wish to God these calculations were executed by steam..."
mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
☟︎ cazalla: phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost, i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway
mircea_popescu: esthlos i take it you read naggum's overfinnicky in parts, overloose in other parts time essay ?
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esthlos: mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's
esthlos: mircea_popescu: spacetime is my main field of study
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell
mircea_popescu: esthlos so what's your take on the imminent quantum computer in a thousand words or less ? :D
phf: cazalla: nod, i in fact befriended a guy who has the largest whisky collection on the east coast (an old texan drunk), and despite sampling a large variety, i'm just going to stick to bottom shelf
mircea_popescu: if it's not made from fruit, it'd better be 99%'d and then diluted back down.
phf: mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time
cazalla: in other news, what is with hookers talking about their fkn kids
phf: if you're reading it, it's for you
cazalla: one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls
mircea_popescu: i mean sure it gets to computer implementations halfway through...
mircea_popescu: esthlos jesus christ could your items not be pdfs for the love of things not sucking.
mircea_popescu: then again, the notion that a perception of time might not be naive is a pretty tough argument in the first place.
mircea_popescu: what-else-can-be-a-naive-perception-of-time-than-trying-to-build-clocks
mircea_popescu: but let me point out a cheval that various investigations in the nature of the number cca 1700s were equally ill regarded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
esthlos: quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that great scene where tom green "Saves the day" at the maternity ward ?
phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver
esthlos: the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over
esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
mircea_popescu: "The Chern–Simons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.
mircea_popescu: "the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners".
esthlos: but 5+d is easy and 0-3 are workable
mircea_popescu: esthlos myeah. but i mean... how can it "only work in 3d", ie, what, no solutions in 5d ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ?
esthlos: asciilifeform: you mean wikipedia? i agree its shitty
mircea_popescu: speaking of all this geometry, did they find the 4d smooth sphere ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?
mircea_popescu: cuz relative size problem, they perceive themselves as small.
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!
mircea_popescu: they went in for the bologna BECAUSE they felt they DO have to.
mircea_popescu: whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute.
mircea_popescu: but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s
mircea_popescu: they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts.
mircea_popescu: well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else.
mircea_popescu: is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ?
mircea_popescu: where folks suffer insanities a marketing will be found.
mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found
mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".
mircea_popescu: and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel.
mircea_popescu: much simpler than that : if your rng is broken someone somewhere will exploit it.
mircea_popescu: no. physics stuck in ditch because smart people have fallen into a sort of sartrean hell, very much equal parts Кто ты по жизни? and "how do i know i exist"
mircea_popescu: why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ?
mircea_popescu: mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession.
mircea_popescu: doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause ; and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine.
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
mircea_popescu: good physicist NOT ALLOWED TO THROW OUT COMPLETE SCIENCE!!!
mircea_popescu: and they were right, except... there's a categorical error.
mircea_popescu: the view was wrong -- the complete science was actually neither complete nor even correct
mircea_popescu: which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: this "the work" is also, a surrender. in the terms of the item being burned down.
mircea_popescu: this is how coffin liners are mostly produced. for as long as you still hold it, it still has something going for it.
mircea_popescu: there's also the very problematic... consider. the highlight of my entirely negligible theoretical physicist career such as it was, was pariticpating at this "international contest". it was named... "the first step to nobel prize in physics".
mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.
mircea_popescu: the airforce won. it won by trickery -- had some girl that did ~6 hours all through 1990s, then did most of her actual hours in 2000s.
mircea_popescu: the navy tried to win honestly ; and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training.
mircea_popescu: it's that there were four women ; which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard.
esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male';s career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files
mircea_popescu: and he deemed it a major securtity risk. which it was. as events proved.
mircea_popescu: now, one of the substandard ones actually SUED. because she deemed that the release of "her private data" as to how bad she sucked is such an important matter, it precludes the public interest.
mircea_popescu: the courts rebuffed her ; then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this.
mircea_popescu: now consider two different problems. one of them is, the damned hardware involved. the piece of shit airplane they flew (f14) is SO BADLY DESIGNED its nose moving left/right can disrupt airflow into compressor intake ACTUALLY STALLING an engine.
mircea_popescu: and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron.
mircea_popescu: but this finnicky nonsense aside, point two : these women, not just the dead one ; not just the suing one ; ALL of them, constantly and without fucking respite came in too high and too fast.
mircea_popescu: to the point they ~actually scareds~ the fucking technical crew on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again.
mircea_popescu: these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ?
mircea_popescu: "i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ?
mircea_popescu: it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well.
mircea_popescu: so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:55 asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:58 esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is the catastrophe of ideology, it misplaces people into harms way.
mircea_popescu: see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other
mircea_popescu: "i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance.
phf: further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story, both as to why "physics died" and as to why and wherefore etc.
phf: asciilifeform: i want to watch movies! i figured i can do better than a close source vlc package, apparently not
mircea_popescu: phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus.
phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools
mircea_popescu: "why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss"
phf: maresyev flight school
ben_vulpes: phf: nah not particularly interesting to me, i got out of that gox early q2 this year, but sfyl
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: macware abounds, none of it is being used for anything other than entertainment anymore
mircea_popescu: wtf does movie player need unicode for, left as question for wiser men
ben_vulpes: well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism.
mircea_popescu: i dobn't get it, you READ the orc langs but don't hear them ?
mircea_popescu: why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies
mircea_popescu saw this at airport today, guy with a placard, "mr wong & miss ho"
mats: i never heard of a kr with the name wong
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)
phf: mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links?
mircea_popescu: the kay interview ? it's from this large pile of "items of interest" i go through when in the mood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idiot site does "pages" as iof that's fuycking permissible ; so now we'll end up with an archived first quarter.
mircea_popescu: the ways in which webtards manage to break computers are innumerable.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let me put this resource in four fucking places because that's why it's called ununiform resource locator"
phf: the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page
mircea_popescu: "The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of
phf: hey i also just wanted to watch my movies
mircea_popescu: there is no more fundamental human property than the need to belong ; and since illusions are by their nature sweet, there's no more endearingly common characteristic than misconstrued partisanship.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind,
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things :
mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.
mircea_popescu: which is why towlie of "i have no idea what's going on" southpark fame is very much interpreted as human-like.
mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.
mircea_popescu: so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals.
mircea_popescu: "identity as genus" occurs not when op says something extremely shockingly intelligent or w/e, but when you say "do you understand what you jsut said ?!" and they retort "not really".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:33 indiancandy1: u didnt predict this
ben_vulpes:
http://archive.is/p526V << certain elements of the pravda are funny; the classic socialistoid "assuming the sale" in "The truth has been rendered here irrelevant" in regards to the /defamation case/, also the hilarious verdict of ~"you'd have to be /uniquely stupid/ to not understand that you're a public figure by virtue of just fucking look at yourself"
ben_vulpes: and now for something completely different:
http://archive.is/IEa6u "I have always been fascinated, and a little troubled, by the concept of paper money, or fiat currency. If I think about it too long it makes my head hurt and I have an urge to sell all of my tech stocks and buy gold."
ben_vulpes: gods bless, his webpage loads in half a second
mircea_popescu: selling "tech" stocks ie, worthless web-venture paper is a good move in any case.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik pediwikism dun count as 'publication' << Eh, but the so called deans prolly count pediwiki links as citations in their minds if not on paper
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they like to have both tracks running, iirc << AHA, this and rock music appears to be what shaped most of the younger local's english language ability. Ingles subtitulo Espanol, Not a very functional thing, thankfully only a flash of stink eye pushes them pack into spanish practice mode.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind,
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff
BingoBoingo: watching the gringo's language learning in real time.
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BingoBoingo: Language exposure, plan is renting an apartment in February when vacation season is a least winding down.
BingoBoingo: ~550 USD, studio apartment rents here are roughly ~600 USD monthly
BingoBoingo: Arrangement comes with bed, locker, common areas occupied by rotating cast of new people
BingoBoingo: Also buys time for meeting roommate capable persons
BingoBoingo: Renting an apartment now would mean either gambling on roomates for the long haul or undertaking an exercise which introduces wasted hours of solitude not exposed to languages
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but reiterating the problem for log readers. The hotel/hostel confusion seems to be a persistent one in conversations.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if this were a hotel and I were paying hotel prices... the minor for hostel structural and chinche issues would not be so easily dismissed, and there would be wrath
BingoBoingo: Anyways, now that business is baking I'll be touring the datacenter tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: Next Friday one of the other enterprises is throwing a "Welcome to Uruguay" welcome asado for the gringo, which I should be much more awake for than the end of the year celebration asado they threw at the cowork which coincided with the day of my arrival.
BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
☟︎☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: Ah, that great announcement where the leverage had moved
mircea_popescu: looking retrospectively, i suspect the great lure of "tech" such that "boys turn to tech, girls turn to poundcake" is in fact that if well done, tech seems to be the closest thing one has to fountain of eternal youth.
mircea_popescu: through the following mechanism : "Has it only been four years ?!?!?!?" asks the boy. "I think I aged less than that's worth", ie, "good use of my time", ie... a derivative sort of youth elixir.
mircea_popescu: used to be money, back when "thus britons for lucre fly over the main". but these days... "Women have never had money, continue to have no money, and never will have any money. The only reason women can “own” property in this day and age is because you can’t “own” property in this day and age."
mircea_popescu: which is why "surprised by wealth" exists as a concept. ers wasn't being creative, he was being... you know, manly. filling a pre-existing hole.
BingoBoingo: Ah, most d00ds aspiring to tech end up in alt walmart baggery
mircea_popescu: trinque can you run <g id="graph0" class="graph" transform="scale(1 1) rotate(0) translate(4 15840.7)"> on a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
☟︎ deedbot: sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
sofiababy: damn i thought evryone would be sleeping
sofiababy: i want to be in with the cool kids
sofiababy: and you welcome me with open arms so
mircea_popescu: "Eventually if you keep buying you either run out of money or run out of looking like a sucker." ahaha.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (18775.0230839/15)**(1/6) = 3.282828562886639
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18670.99, vol: 15013.73187916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18501.0, vol: 63074.68145741 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18675.0, vol: 3774.33123335 | Volume-weighted last average: 18540.198758
mircea_popescu: that's a thousand dollars with an annualized growth rate of 328% eh. NOT BAD
BingoBoingo: Lol, poor gangsta roll. A victim of "When?"
BingoBoingo: Still sweeter is watching the crashing. So much crashing.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:52 cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
mircea_popescu: hung out with restaurant owner guy, got a sampler. old monk seemed best
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753038 <<->> "Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must mar
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:01 cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
mircea_popescu: ry because the race must perish without her travail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not. And yet we assume that the force that carries women through all these perils and hardships, stops abashed before the primnesses of our behavior for young ladies."
mircea_popescu: let it be stated that the deep root of the whole "prostitution is unfeminist" current stems from about the same place as "it's in poor taste to sell them lost in the desert water at extortionate prices".
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "men will do anything to get some" social fiction, with it's attendant "surprises" of the thoroughly fabricated sort, "i can't believe far far away somewhere in like japan they don't". gotta mask the bitter truth that ~woman~ will do anything to get some. literal anything.
deedbot: sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
sofiababy: dude evry one is a prostitute to some degree
sofiababy: evry one is selling time one way or another
mircea_popescu: sofiababy hey, do you have voice on your cam thing or just video ? can you talk to the virgins ?
mircea_popescu: o hey, so here's a deal, read out the log to them. i'll pay you say a bitcent for an hour.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
mircea_popescu: who knows. maybe they think you're the only smart camho on mfc.
mircea_popescu: sofiababy do your best. you also don't know how to fuck, but you do your best and it works out.
mircea_popescu: everyone's a nerd deep down. way the fuck easier than being a miner deep down.
mircea_popescu: who, other than being a major fascist supporter, was also a guy reputedly so smart, some woman wrote to him to propose having babies on the theory she's so pretty.
sofiababy: seriosly europes most powerfu leader
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and your proof to the contrary being... ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun believe everything you read! sofiababy how do you reason ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone actually can be bothered to check teh cam ? is she actyually logreading ?
sofiababy: and no1 on mfc acknowledgges anything unless its tits
ben_vulpes: for five seconds, an interesting thing happened on mfc
mircea_popescu: nothing interesting can happen on mfc because mfc is composed of a) the people there who b) operate under the delusion they may make choices.
mircea_popescu: the result is a matter of necessity in those circumstances.
ben_vulpes: sofiababy: what the hell is wrong with you
mircea_popescu: move into the pain not away from it. pain is good for you.
mircea_popescu: or as the orthodox tradition says, "durerea-i ziditoare"
sofiababy: is the romanian calender same as greek
ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is why artificial intelligence will never be able to compete with the genuine article.
trinque: girl will faff about trying to make sure they see all sides of her until someone grabs hold.
trinque: texanism with either a little girl or queer connotation
sofiababy: well over here like people use it in context like
ben_vulpes: doing anything but that which needs doing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand how self-determination works!!1
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item
ben_vulpes: holy fuckadoodle, imagine getting paid a bitcent an hour to do your six months
ben_vulpes: she would literally rather dance for tips
mircea_popescu: and as bonus lulz, we'll never know whether i would have actually paid the whole length or not.
mircea_popescu: this is the true meaning of being wealthy, when your wealth stays wealthy for longer than the world stays active. they run out of puff afore you run out of dosh
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, i myself wasn't making a current bitcent an hour until sometime after 2010. ie, quite recently.
shinohai: Tenth of a bitcent per hour fine with me per hour
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:04 asciilifeform: napoleon's syndrome?
BingoBoingo: <sofiababy> i duno how to pronouse << It's purely phonetic, Except when it's not.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Tenth of a bitcent per hour fine with me per hour << Perhaps the baroness can?
BingoBoingo: Y ahora tengo una otra cita por manana en la noche
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
mircea_popescu: in other news : the mpi m-r implementation has a fixed witness at 2.
mircea_popescu: anyone with a good reason why magic number should stay ?
mircea_popescu: seems a gratuitous (but not readily computable) degradation of the 4^-k outer bound.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-12 = 5.9604644775390625E-8
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-16 = 2.3283064365386963E-10
mircea_popescu: diana_coman should prolly add a comment in there pointing out to people who are making keys for serious use that 1e-10 is really not nearly good enough.
mircea_popescu: or rather 4.6e-10 as the case may be, since you need two.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think this might be worth made into a knob in the code explicitly
mircea_popescu: and yes i'm aware damgard extensions and whatnot, but not impressed.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: some crandall fellow supposedly "implemented" it, but apparently out of unpublishable sticks of gum arabic.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: if I can. what is it?
mircea_popescu: you know, three indian kids got a godel prize a decade ago for the first ever primality test that's deterministic, polynomial and unconditional
mircea_popescu: given n > 2 and a coprime to n, n is prime only if (x+a)^n mod-congruent x^n+a (mod n)
esthlos: well what do you know, richard crandall
mircea_popescu: actually, lenstra supposedly made it actually run. initially it was very high order polynomial.
diana_coman: esthlos, "primes is in p" is the original paper describing aks; by agrawal, kayal and saxena, you'll find it easily
esthlos: okay this is cool, will implement
esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a preference on how I compute totient?
esthlos: I don't have anything specific in mind
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos look through the various FFA items as pasted by asciilifeform first ; to get an idea what the item is like. so you don't have to wait till he's finished publishing it all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: at this juncture having options is the right move. let user decide.
mircea_popescu: rather than being all negative!!!, got a review copy of ffa somewhere to pass to esthlos ?
mircea_popescu: so he has something to work on, rather than wait for tutorial completion, is the logic
mircea_popescu: esthlos i'd love for you to be able to jump straight into this ; however there's some groundwork to be laid. look into the V system, because ideally you'd be presenting the finished item as a patch on diana's eucrypt lib. and asciilifeform is working on and publishing a final FFA which is what we intend to use here.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.
mircea_popescu: that said, a gmp version pushed out as a patch on mpi might not be entirely without merit.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: right now I'm most comfortable in scheme, but I want to change that to common lisp
mircea_popescu: yes. if you want you cal look up tje log for ben_vulpes ' item or else write your own in cl and compare after.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for my curiosity, run the above linked c++ gmp item
esthlos: noob question: why not use a fast nondeterministic algo and sieve on the results?
mircea_popescu: this'd be a special alternate because we're very unhappy with the fact that a) "everonye" (=usg) uses m-r and b) evidently lies about the strength assumptions.
mircea_popescu: and so we'd like to have an alternative, if for no reason then just to have it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at this point there's little doubt in my mind that >0 of the items cracked by phuctor were bona-fide keys, composite slipped past the 4+1 round m-r.
mircea_popescu: it'd be worth it at this point to see which of the composite "primes" have the whole set of primes under say 29 as strong liars.
mircea_popescu: a composite that passes a low round m-r can be composite of >2 factors np.
mircea_popescu: this is what i say : reconstruct the original two "primes" of which at least one wasn't ; then see which of such items have in fact low primes as strong liars.
mircea_popescu: so the recipe would be, "for every composite N, sort the factors so as to obtain two 2048 bit chunks ; then check whether 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17 are strong liars for the item.
mircea_popescu: iirc there was a "study" showing how "it is enough to test these" for whatever size.
mircea_popescu: (for the record : it is a fact that there exist infinite composites so that their SMALLEST witness is at least ln (n) ^ 1/(3 * ln (ln(ln(n))). yet "cryptography community" keeps doing this small witness bs.)
mircea_popescu: for the record, if n = 2 ^ 2048, that limit is ~238.728599954.
mircea_popescu: ie gpg is wasting its time with "oh, let's see if 2 is a witness".
mircea_popescu: and i have a good mind to mandate eucrypt impl of m-r actually uses 2^8 ie 256 as minimum.
diana_coman: I suspect the 2 is basically the...potato soup of gpg: cheapest available
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform importantly, re the test above : not the ~factors~ must be tested, but the actual composite p or q, as reconstructed from the factors.
mircea_popescu: bernstein smooth parts of integers empowered sieve popped a factor ?
mircea_popescu: !#s E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064
mircea_popescu: was it ever checked whether it would appear prime to koch-gpg ?
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ part of it is : suppose (i don't have example ready, but constructively) there's a N that popped into factors f1... fm.
mircea_popescu: each of these factors will have a bitness. admitting none of them has a bitness = 2048, they can be arranged into a p and a q so that each of these has a bitness of 2048
mircea_popescu: the thus reconstructed p and q should be tested for whether they indeed have no true witness of compositeness as low as gpg tests.
mircea_popescu: it's a finite set of factors, they work together into fixed bitnesses only so many ways.
mircea_popescu: ie, suppose the factors f1... f8 have bitnesses of 1,1,2,2,3,3,2042,2042. so then we try f1f3f5f7 and f2f4f6f8. and we also try f2f3f5f7 f1f4f6f8. and so on.
mircea_popescu: the order IS log^6, which was the great progress, originally it was log^12
mircea_popescu: but the base factor can't be this fucking humongous ffs, it's just (x+a)^n vs x^n+a.
mircea_popescu: (which, i confess, striked/strikes me as a seductively good idea)
mircea_popescu: incidentally...if this is so fucking slow... guess who just found a new pow.
mircea_popescu: let's take a = every other bit of n. to mine this block, you must produce an x so that x is twice the bitsize of n, and (x+a)^n is mod congruent to x^n + a (mod n)
mircea_popescu: primeness doesn't enter into this, we're just leveraging that apparently modexp is megaexpensive.
mircea_popescu: but the contention here is that picking something like modexp is a better choice than just piling on hashes.
mircea_popescu: not sure that is a bad thing. but yes, evidently large topic for discussion.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : 32 hectares of land across the strip from the flamingo cost under 1mn in 1962.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the item would even cost today. billions, prolly.