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assbot: Sergio Lerner: "1) I'm finalizing a BIP: A new Efficient Compact SPV Proof scheme. A chain of 2016 hdrs can be compressed into 10 hdrs, proving 50% of work. / 2) This will be key piece for 2-way-peg system we (Rootstock) contribute to Bitcoin, via hard-fork. / 3) Yes, can also be soft-fork." : Bitco ... (
http://bit.ly/1QnQwei )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72850 @ 0.00048184 = 35.102 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i suppose every nigger gotta add his own hardfork out there now, it's the new hip thing. you ain't nobody if you ain't hardforkin'!
mircea_popescu: can't california just fall into the ocean already and spare me the rest of the popcult story ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't care for proletcult either, and somehow i don't seem to be missing having missed out on that either.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00048015 = 33.2744 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hardforks are the new altcoins
nubbins`: i can't believe it's not bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you don;t properly grok how the ustardian mind works. you see, it's gotta be meta to be real.
mircea_popescu: it can't be something pointful, meaningful, "i get to move satoshi's stash".
mircea_popescu: it's gotta be some sort of useless, pointless derpage.
nubbins`: the i'm-a-glass-of-water requires salvia divinorum
nubbins`: (cannot recommend the experience)
nubbins`: hallucinogen that acts on opioid receptors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.00048453 = 56.69 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of, being a very mediocre, fat woman that was writing code. lotta goto's, the ocasional for-loop-by-hand, and no passing by reference.
mircea_popescu: the kids internalized the "what would it happen if EVERYONE did that" playground "adult" thinking, and now live by it.
mircea_popescu: so they won't make an altcoin that makes YOU be able to do something, because "you" is undefined. instead... make an altcoin that "saves africa". that, ANYONE could do.
mircea_popescu: and since anyone could do, everyone should do, so why aren't you.
danielpbarron: nubbins`> the i'm-a-glass-of-water requires salvia divinorum << haha yes. I was once a wood floor in this regard
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's on the foundation page all listed nicely
TheNewDeal: I believe I owe back taxes from my bets
TheNewDeal: I'm in fear of the address being hijacked
TheNewDeal: some wacky science occurred not too long after I made said transaction
mircea_popescu: 7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163 is in 00000000000000000222de4462f77457d37d1b16f3c92688dc7087106f27fda0 / aa8ff7e8e554cdbf4b95b3b4b24e70246afdc6adee250fb51012914bcede3640
TheNewDeal: and I'm in fear of being asylumed in my home country
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171650 @ 0.00047888 = 82.1998 BTC [-] {8}
TheNewDeal: I'm stranded in central usia and I'm fearing some sort of sham court case apparating
TheNewDeal: like a test trip to see if they allow me to pass through the border?
TheNewDeal: I've got to see if they allow a tax payment, I can't find that address from the foundation website
mircea_popescu: "i paid my taxes to these people that lol at you, problem ???"
indiancandy1: i want to get some softwares Rat, Ddos, Cookie stealer…
mircea_popescu: anyway, "hacking" is not a thing, it's the byproduct of knowing how to program computers. which you can learn, like anything else, provided you got the patience.
TheNewDeal: I think they're unconvered some equipment from the mines
TheNewDeal: they're trying to reverse this whole bitcoin economy
TheNewDeal: the powers that be, the central control
TheNewDeal: I have been struggling to stay afloat in the Usian ship
TheNewDeal: I've been trying to go out to the bars and enjoy some music
TheNewDeal: but I think they've got some sort of tracking program on me. Weaponry that can induce a false schizophrenia
☟︎ TheNewDeal: but I think they've tried to slip me drugs to admit to crimes that haven't occurred
TheNewDeal: I need a break from this mess and I'm in fear they're trying to recruit me
mircea_popescu: to slip people drugs to get them to admit to crimes that haven't occurred ?
TheNewDeal: it's like the state machine tries to churn out criminals
TheNewDeal: I'm trying to stay apolitical and it's backfiring. The state is becoming politically charged
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46864 @ 0.00047725 = 22.3658 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: I'm trying to get protection from people who can lend any help. I tried to send one to the mines
TheNewDeal: I looked up a miner from blockchain,info
TheNewDeal: and now I think they're trying to make me look like a chinese spy or something
TheNewDeal: I think they're trying to criminalize me
TheNewDeal: I searched for the top miners on organofcorti's website
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal eh, have some tea and relax. nobody gives a shit you went on some website and searched for shit from some other weebsite.
TheNewDeal: the US tax law can't handle these transactions
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 02:20:50; TheNewDeal: but I think they've got some sort of tracking program on me. Weaponry that can induce a false schizophrenia
TheNewDeal: I don't even know who I sent it to - that's basically unreportable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00047725 = 33.8848 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, you wanna invest in a game, why not go play eulora. danielpbarron will show you the ropes if you show him yours.
mircea_popescu: he's been doing that, has a regular stable of noobs going from what i gather.
danielpbarron: ranges from 300k to 2 mn per hour depending on the activity
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wow no shit ? 2mn ? that's like... almost minimum wage ?
danielpbarron: some things can be automated to run while your sleeping
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 307.683435, vol: 16449.86999106 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 303.6027405, vol: 12728.35091 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 292.38, vol: 5.11919016 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 317.068096, vol: 105203.31740000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 307.325, vol: 12.28616566 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 309.642805993, vol: 92.64349349 | Volume-weighted last average: 314.638931296
assbot: You have not rated TheNewDeal.
mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.TheNewDeal.2:72f205feb029a54e96e08dbde50f07860dd069d6aa8b8021f0286fe3999b943a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for TheNewDeal with note: Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.
TheNewDeal: I think they're going to Shrem me hard for this
TheNewDeal: pour a drink out for TheNewDeal when you have a chance
TheNewDeal: I want to see them try to politicize this. I can see it coming and I want to see how they sell out the working man in 2016
TheNewDeal: they think with their mind and send their money unannounced
TheNewDeal: it's behind all this actual rage pent up across the glove
TheNewDeal: I'm locked down on state sponsored medications and they aren't doing a thing
hanbot: TheNewDeal what medications exactly?
hanbot: how long've you been on em?
mod6: TheNewDeal: hey, thanks!
TheNewDeal: but it's impossible for me to get rid of eating and smoking nonstop
hanbot: TheNewDeal take a walk in a park/forest/beach/etc. don't take your cigarettes.
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nubbins`: suggest a movie that isn't a piece of shit
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00048744 = 16.9629 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> but I think they've tried to slip me drugs to admit to crimes that haven't occurred << This was a big motivator in my decision to sobriety. Harder to CIA drug if not already intoxicated.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal mirtazapine and weed is a hell of a combination
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morenoh149: found this channel mentioned on an old hackernews thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7733 @ 0.00048746 = 3.7695 BTC [+] {2}
morenoh149: somthing like `what are the best irc channels`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368067 @ 0.00049086 = 180.6694 BTC [+] {6}
danielpbarron: it sounds almost like a joke to include this channel and ##javascript in the same list of "best channels" -- and cyberwizard is a nice cherry on top
morenoh149: I have bitcoins. What do I do with them?
trinque: you can send them to me if you like.
morenoh149: anyone else in nyc? met a couple of ppl interested in finance and bitcoin this month
ben_vulpes: you met people interested in finance, morenoh149?
morenoh149: yeah there was a bitcoin meetup over at solidX
ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012
☟︎ ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00048577 = 76.023 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: bob mcelrath contributed to numerous open source projects in the bitcoin space, including Bitcoin Core.
ben_vulpes: and not a single one of them have i ever heard of.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00049181 = 28.402 BTC [+] {3}
morenoh149: I write javascript mostly. I own a little bitcoin I bought off some asian guy
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:12:39; asciilifeform: somebody +v ascii_field por favor, he can't reach the button
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00049183 = 44.3139 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao
☟︎ ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it
☟︎ ben_vulpes: buy a si fab in mod6's old age i imagine
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jurov: First up was Qu Daokui, CEO of a robotics company. “If I close my eyes and try to think of a product that has Chinese characteristics and is recognized internationally,” stammered Qu, “I can’t think of one.”
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adlai: cf "bla bla space pen bla bla nasa money bla bla freezing boiling cosmic-ray-induced-degradation-of-premium-ink blabla. the russians used a pencil."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52404 @ 0.00048287 = 25.3043 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 16:58:50; davout: mircea_popescu: pl0x to x.eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00048589 = 18.3181 BTC [+]
jurov: *sigh* in the quest to make sense of trb's memory allocations, i ended up at gates of openssl's CBigNum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00048939 = 37.2915 BTC [+] {3}
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davout: jurov: dem gates of hell
jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."
☟︎ punkman: it overloads the assignment operator? dear god
jurov: yes. and the best thing? igprof says it's called from CBlock::AddToBlockIndex but i have no idea where exactly the fucking compiler implicitly added it
punkman: actually it has custom fn for all operators
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assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:07:37; ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:10:53; ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012
mircea_popescu: they're taking the "i've been part of the bitcoin through talking" to the next level : "in my head, i could have been talking abotu this in 2012 so why the hell not!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage. <<< bwaghaghaga fuckuing epic.
mircea_popescu: there is apparently OTHER seminal legal work in "The space" than my semen the sec chicklets guzzled. fancy that.
mircea_popescu: next time ima be sure to spread the media coverage wider.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:50:32; BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:51:21; *: ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93044 @ 0.00049386 = 45.9507 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.0004921 = 5.4131 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: just reached the indiancandy and thnewdeal part of the logs, wtf
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:05:32; jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )
mircea_popescu: should just move the fucking capital already, who needs the queen.
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assbot: 146 Startup Failure Post-Mortems
punkman: (why didn't assbot add a bit.ly to the title?)
davout: mircea_popescu: danke schön
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mircea_popescu: today like in athens 3k years ago, a good chunks of "thieves" are the merchant's own adolescent sons.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.56897406 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
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nubbins`: time to smoke a jazz cigarette while taking a shower
nubbins`: for those of you who have never, it's enjoyable
jurov: asciilifeform: igprof shown several megabytes of LIVE_MEM for BN_copy called from operator= despite it's almost always used only temporary
jurov: (that was after I eliminated some unrelated noise)
nubbins`: jurov seems you're making some progress
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1970 @ 0.00135351 = 2.6664 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: hard to say. my style of work is more like throwing shit to wall than some systematic progress
jurov: putting outside of heap all permanent block-related data that won't ever get deallocated, looks like an improvement and do improve the baseline
jurov: but if it helps with maintaining mempool remains to be seen
jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> jurov seems you're making some progress << ironically, the operator= nonsense was JUST linked in a basic piece about how c++ sucks that we've all read and yet it made nobody else click.
jurov: are we getting rid of c++? yay!
jurov: mircea_popescu: map is not the territory
mircea_popescu: jurov quite. i recall reading that thing years ago, too. understood as nothing of it then as now, obviously.
nubbins`: if you like to read, you'll love irc
mircea_popescu: i do, actually. this line-at-a-time business is almost perfect.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00047692 = 37.7721 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : okcupid makes money in two ways that i can see. one is to sell you "A list" status, which brings no obvious benefits other than "browse invisibly". they advertise the shit out of it too, "you are browsing visibly". what the fuck sort of deranged ustardian would actually make an account of a site specifically dedicated to finding people and then wanting stealth!
mircea_popescu: but anyway. i imagine it's making a decent penny for them, being exactly the fuctarded "sit by lakeside and carefully dip toe in" thing that today's women of both sexes obsess over.
mircea_popescu: the other, and this is the lulzy part, is a "boost", where you pay them a buck or two and they "show your profile" to VERY MANY ppl!!1
mircea_popescu: this is practically a straight advertising deal, and i have the numbers : out of the ~150-200k people onlione they claim perpetually, the 1-2 dollar thing buys you about 300 over an hour, so that's superficially 1.5-2 per thousand but i suspect might be as high as 10% given that obviously, not everyone actually pays any attention to them.
mircea_popescu: as the boost takes about an hour, this caps the okcupid revenue from this line to somewhere around say 20 bux an hour ? which sounds just about right.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, of those 2-300 people, should you have the curiosity to include a link strategically in your profile, you might discover that exactly... 0%, as well as 0 per thousand actually click.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of all the foregoing, i would say the market value of okcupid is definitely under 10 btc and perhaps over 1 btc.
mircea_popescu: this puts the per-capita value of an ustard (that LTV thing discussed in some earlier links in log ) somewhere in the 1 to 10 cents.
mircea_popescu: also, seeing how InterActiveCorp ( NASDAQ: IACI ) consists of at least 10% okcupid and claims total assets of 4bn, we can estimate the value of the bezzle! if 4k worth of okcupid is perhaps 10% of the business self-valued at 4bn, then every dollar a us corporation owns is worth ~0.001 cents of actual, honest to god, turkey-buying dollars and 0.999 cents of pure bezzle.
mircea_popescu: numbers are probably not exact, but they are certainly & guaranteedly closer to reality than the bizarro view where "apple has 1 dollar means apple has 1 dollar".
mircea_popescu: of only practical interest here, remember that for every $1000 added to your 401k, you can expect to buy about a cent;s worth of turkey at some point down the road.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00048002 = 41.2577 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 14:29:01; mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00047689 = 24.2975 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: ah, as per intel they actually bought okcupid for 50mn, so prolly should shed some zeros.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:05:29; mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00047633 = 26.0791 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: We achieved what we set out to do, even if the final result didn’t end up with us becoming the next Buzzfeed. We never wanted to be the next Buzzfeed. We always wanted to be who we were, Pixable. And it was working. Unfortunately, circumstances [despite reaching 9.4M active users and 58M monthly video views] … made it difficult to raise money and continue on."
mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:26; mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the time that's done, my dear alf, everyone who's still asleep ain't never waking up again.
pete_dushenski: "i don't want to succeed if it means i can't be ME ! what am i, some sort of sellout ?"
mircea_popescu: In the email, co-founders Karthik Balasubramanian and Brian Moyer stated their belief that the movement of investor interest away from consumer-facing applications for the technology was also a factor. Balasubramanian and Moyer wrote: ”While investment and activity continues to occur it is focused on private and alternate chains rather than bitcoin or other public chains where Bonafide operates.” As a result, the c
mircea_popescu: o-founders said they saw “little chance” that they would be able to generate revenue, pivot their product or secure additional funding."
mircea_popescu: all the things nobody heard of from all the people nobody heard of.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like being a chinese diplomat reviewing the records of this obscure tribe, meanwhile crushed, that apparently thought it had sent lots and lots of ambassadors, expeditions, generals, so forth.
mircea_popescu: nobody in china ever saw their faces before the day they were locked in a hut and burned alive, but hey. THEY thought they were part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's going to be A LOT of busting kneecaps of uppity ustard "capitalists" who imagine they actually get to have a say and whatnot.
pete_dushenski: this is actually an incredibly strong signal that the product in question is doomed, if their landing page says "as seen in nyt, good morning america, etc."
mircea_popescu: alternative and private, seriously ? what, like your wife & daughter ? why are they chained in my closed then, if they're this private an' alternative ?
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 18:53:14; nubbins`: and if not, it's 100% because of everyone else
mircea_popescu: “We knew acquisition was the best course of action,” says [Evan] Graj. That eventually led to Dine In being approached in February by a major Internet company active in the online food space, and it’s my understanding that by April — and significant legal fees later — a sale had been agreed. Then at the eleventh hour the deal unexpectedly fell through, leaving the restaurant delivery startup “high and dry
mircea_popescu: ” and its unnamed acquirer a “no-show”. Adds Graj: “They backed out leaving us with a huge legal bill both for Dine In and myself personally, a huge debt to note holders, and no VCs to turn to. A hard lesson to learn and one I’ll be taking into my next venture.”
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )
mircea_popescu: Steering the ship — handling all of the engineering, manufacturing, marketing, and retailing, even when you’re taking 90 percent of the subsequent profits — was ultimately too expensive of a proposition, especially in comparison to other, less-handholding-oriented start-ups. “The reason why Kickstarter makes a ton of money is they don’t have to do anything besides put up a website,” Kaufman notes.
mircea_popescu: Escribano said that the company’s main problem was user engagement and retention. “In every marketplace you have the chicken-and-egg problem with buyers and sellers. We tried to capture them both organically and via paid marketing, but it wasn’t enough. Getting sellers was somewhat easy, but buyers much more complicated”
nubbins`: you could fill the oceans with people who thought buyers would magically appear
mircea_popescu: We had a user acquisition problem, and the best route involved a competitor…The best acquisition method I saw was tapping into an existing network of people who had filed 1099s: like Intuit’s hundreds of millions of tax returns, many with 1099 income. Unfortunately, Intuit released an identical competing product to us. It’s not ideal when your best user acquisition strategy is partnering with a company who has a
mircea_popescu: "oh, we were going to change the world on someone else's dime. what do you mean "wut" ?!?!?! WE ARE GENIUZ!"
mircea_popescu: Each member of our now pared-down team knew exactly how much runway the company had remaining, the status of our strategic talks, and the acknowledged long odds we faced as a going concern. To their credit, they remained focused, productive and on-task until our final day — a remarkable expression of dedication to the mission and to each other. Sadly, and in spite of the achievements, we simply ran out of time and ca
mircea_popescu: any mention of "i suck as a manager" eerily absent. "i don't suck as a manager - i gave all the people who had no responsibility in the matter all the data about what a shit job i was doing. this means i wasn't doing a shit job! this is also how i went through school - i told my parents about all the Cs i got! this is actually better than getting As!"
nubbins`: we knew we'd run out of gas, but bobby steered and lisa worked the accelerator and we got as far down that road as we could. unfortunately we just couldn't pull over to the shoulder.
mircea_popescu: this is like, fundamental abdication from humanity. these people aspire to be bugs.
mircea_popescu: We started VATLER during the summer of 2014 as an on-demand valet service in San Francisco … We received a phone call from the police department telling us that our permits had not been granted and they gave us a warning because we were operating illegally in most of our locations…In 2 weeks, we lost major accounts and 30% of our revenue streams without any perspective of growth. We tried to make some restaurants p
mircea_popescu: ay but it was just not working. Our model was no longer valid and were forced to cease operations in the city on September 7th."
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Spousal resemblance on educational attainment was very high in the early twentieth century, declined to an all-time low for young couples in the early 1950s, and has increased steadily since then. These trends broadly parallel the compression and expansion of socioeconomic inequality in the United States over the twentieth century. Additionally, educationally similar parents are more likely to h
pete_dushenski: ave offspring who themselves marry within their own educational level." << thus, the true story behind the problem of idiot "boomers" is revealed : they thought they thought they could improve on history and stick it to their fuddy duddy parents all at the same time ! derp.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of seinfeld, "i give some guy the keys to my car because he's wearing a vest"
mircea_popescu: this'd be an epic car theft ring, really. "kicstarter decentralized on demand carbon conscious valet service!"
nubbins`: this is great, i'm gonna read these over some coffee
mircea_popescu: Better had one of the best consumer user experiences out there but that isn’t enough. "
mircea_popescu: gotta love "out there". it's almost as good as "self-aware citizen of the nubbins"
mircea_popescu: but hey... im sure they never said nigger and so how bad could it have been! out there!
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf.
assbot: charleslee is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Our ongoing plan was to monetize Circa News through the building of a strategy we had spent a long time developing but unfortunately we were unable to close a significant investment prior to becoming resource constrained."
mircea_popescu: also, apparently all the douchy "entrepreneurs" and serial failurerists are on medium.
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, having failed to execute on our original vision, we recently made the decision to wind down the company."
mircea_popescu: vocational school, it's true, but a damn sight better than the whole rest of 'em nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "UDesign™ allowed everyday people to generate their own uniquely beautiful patterns for made-to-order clothing and accessories, using mathematical simulations inspired by Complexity science and Chaos theory."
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here being that if your "mathematical simulations inspired by words" actually produce stuff people want to wear, then you don't need it to be an app, just build a factory ; on the other hand, if people have to design themselves, then you have the same old problem of UGC : people suck.
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it not only made it impossible to immediately notice that people suck, but it also made it unobvious to gatekeepers that this is a dumb idea.
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mircea_popescu: incredibly enough, it STILL didn't work! yet nobody can ever tell him why! because IT WAS WHITENED!!! ha-ha!
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punkman: "No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…the House of Usher."
mircea_popescu: " We spent way too much money. I’ll tell you exactly how much we spent:
mircea_popescu: • $1000 on a conceptual promotional video for our brand.
mircea_popescu: • $500 for promotional clothing for the models in our videos.
mircea_popescu: • $Another 50 per model for the 10 models in our videos."
mircea_popescu: check it out, the guy spent way too much money. s.mg blew up more than that on online advertising for eulora mostly to give me material to write derisively abot "the industry" of online advertising.
mircea_popescu: $50 a model, that's about what random internet ho gets for a titshot, and they still bitch about being face shy
mircea_popescu: these are the people that can't be bothered to notice posters that cost more than their underwear.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean what they're currently wearing, i mean all the underwear they ever used.
mircea_popescu: "After $4000 spent, there was NO way, in light of the supposed attention to detail and effort we put into our videography, that this could not generate some kind of a media buzz, and in return, contribute to revenue growth…" << loller.
mircea_popescu: talk to the derps that spent 200mn and nobody ever heard of them.
mircea_popescu: "The outcome? Based on subsequent actuarial, statistical, and financial analyses, we concluded that not a single dollar spent on videography amounted to a single dollar in revenue generated by those investments. In other words, every dollar we spent on videography and on models was, economically speaking, a complete and utter deadweight loss (photography actually proved to be very effective early on, and should we have
mircea_popescu: invested in that we may have been better off. In retrospect, however, it was still difficult to say whether it would have saved us from our subsequent mistakes).
mircea_popescu: So what was it? Did we just pick the wrong videographer? Did we pay too much for what was being offered? Should we have paid more for a more experienced videographer? Or significantly less for someone of equal calibre? Maybe our product just didn’t need a video? I mean, we’re selling women’s clothing and the items themselves are undoubtedly “out there”. Perhaps leveraging word of mouth would have proved just
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do they hire those actuaries that work for 50 cents an hour ?
mircea_popescu: "3) Overconfidence. Some of us are too confident about our abilities, and this causes us to take greater risks in our daily lives." << mno. some of you are overfed and underexposed to risk of violent death. that makes you be stupid, it's got nothing to do with "risk taking" bs. it has everything to do with erroneously positioning oneself in relation to the outside world and the great things in it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "uppity ustard talking out of line" is correctly represented as "fellow human taking on too much risk" is a core example of this problem, actually. what, we're all sitting at a table in mutual equality deciding how much to put down on red ? gtfo, you're not even allowed in the parking lot.
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punkman: yeah I totally want random derps used suit
mircea_popescu: "the only apple app that celebrates women as items in trade"
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assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 15:52:10; jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:22:58; mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!
ascii_field: i'm not sure why 'it is my favourite' other than the fact that i used to live on a street that had one such. it was quite dilapidated and possibly abandoned
ascii_field: afaik, the only notable thing about 'princeton review' is that - at least in the past - they 'guaranteed higher score or your money back!'
ascii_field: the exams they prep folks for have since been made easier in the name of 'diversity'
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:27:05; mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:28:40; mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand, they were going to sit themselves down in the middle of someone else's field and charge a toll!
mircea_popescu: me. i should be. these fucktards who imagine the world exists like their stupid mother, just waiting for them to squeeze a tit a little are fine.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:33:38; mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag
mircea_popescu: incidentally, funny scene yest : /me turns a corner, openms door and goes in. because me is thirsty and place looks like a diner or soemthing.
mircea_popescu: little does me know that the thing is a starbucks. little does me care, either. assistence is in disbelief over the wonder. mp in starbucks!
mircea_popescu: so while the girls tried to expedite a TWELVE PERSON QUEUE at the SINGLE OPEN COUNTER in what the argentinian fucktards fraudulently misrepresent as a local instantiation of a usian chain
mircea_popescu: (seriously, imagine this in an actual starbucks lmao!)
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mircea_popescu: i watched a middle aged woman and two young men. they were seated at some table being the usual monkeys adolescents are today
ascii_field: and the starbux i went to a few days ago looked exactly like this.
mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and i was like... what the fuck is wrong with you woman! i have women to run around and serve me because i'm fucking special.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you trying to cheat at life ? your two idiots aren't worth eating for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're skimping on service in the us too now ?
ascii_field: idk i've never been to any of the other usas
mircea_popescu: even as late as 2004 queues were still reserved for subway and other subhumanities.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:47:32; mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?
nubbins`: back when i drank the black piss from starbucks
ascii_field: the mega-s33kr1t of starbucks is why it became popular
nubbins`: i was surprised to discover that they teach the english menu to employees in non-english-speaking countries
ascii_field: (prices helped to filter out untermenschen!)
nubbins`: i.e. i walked into a starbucks in seoul and ordered my usual in english and they /made it/
nubbins`: like you just say "5-shot venti caramel no-room americano"
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case they didn't manage to close the sale in a minute or so, and so i walked out.
nubbins`: entire menu: english words transliterated into korean alphabet
mircea_popescu has spent less time waiting than most people spent having orgasms, afaict.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:49:12; mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field depends if we're talking the lesser briton or the superior arab stock.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can only assume it was a straight case of 'hands off because foreign relations' thing
mircea_popescu: it was a case of "the best thing that can happen to a subhuman british citizen is being used for the pleasure of a superior muslin man"
mircea_popescu: if i ever end up accused of rape in the crown's possessions i will point out that not being british myself, they shouldn't be as presumptious as all this. i'll tell them if i fucked them or not if i feel like it, no need to try and invent themselves merits scripturally.
ascii_field: if herr assange is any precedent, nato rape charge will at some point be sop for anyone even half-famous
mircea_popescu: only for the... peons. hm. need a word to brand the subhuman quality of white/english speaking/western world folk.
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand that part of the reason people still stick around is that they don't have a ready reference for their inferiority as white people in the western world.
mircea_popescu: there should be a word. maybe we reuse the old ottoman gyauri
ascii_field: i suppose if mircea_popescu wants to pass out wagner & cyanide, it'll go a little faster
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose with any luck the alien invasion discovers cold fusion as an apple app or something. you never know, right ? hay mas futuro.
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mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how retarded adolescence works.
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ascii_field: i only know how antisocial maths adolescence wurks
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:44:27; mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.
ascii_field: it will have an elephant if you bring yer own, too
mircea_popescu: speaking of, it's a little declase to not have one's own valet, don't we find ?
mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but no valet ? what sort of a man's one supposed to be ?
ascii_field: wasn't mircea_popescu explaining that there is a horde of usians without even own car now ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, i myself am a pervert, use females for the role. but this notwithstanding...
ascii_field: well i live on mouse planet with the other mice and so anything mircea_popescu tells us about the man planet, i'll prolly believe
mircea_popescu: i am trying to introduce it on the basis of le logique~
ascii_field: 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' -- kipling
mircea_popescu: i know the poem, i'm just not following what you're saying here!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 18:17:06; mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.
ascii_field: and whether 'serious man' ought to have own horse, and what is the equiv. today
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf. << But he also took the castle analogy from a contravex it seems
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the fella in k's thing ~did~ (past tense) own them. and then descended into 'trooper' class, and wallows in self-pity
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: aha. that. you know my writings better than i do lol
nubbins`: i like how they refer to the country as "the homeland"
nubbins`: If You See Something Say Something™ used with permission of the NY Metropolitan Transportation Authority.
ascii_field: it is only funny because usa is nobody's homeland
mircea_popescu: everyone there is either a midwesterner or else "only here for a few years to make enough money to run off to argentina / send back home to laos"
ascii_field: nubbins`: every other bus in d.c. region now has a HUGE 'see sumthing say sumthing' on it
mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the end-of-life of a place which everyone uses as a mine is... being a garbage dump
nubbins`: ostensibly not to be used to report gov idiocy / graft / wastage
ascii_field: nubbins`: actually we had 'report welfare fraud!111' ads for a while
nubbins`: in a sane world that would explicitly equate to reporting lazy gov workers
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ascii_field: nubbins` would like to see ~more vigorous~ usg workers ?!
ascii_field: from earlier lul, 'Bitcoin remittance startup 37coins closes its doors... At the time of our launch, few bitcoin services actively catered to the underbanked and unbanked. Fortunately that is no longer the case. There are now many amazing bitcoin companies like BitGive Foundation...'
ascii_field: 'In [Calxeda's] case, we moved faster than our customers could move. We moved with tech that wasn’t really ready for them – ie, with 32-bit when they wanted 64-bit. We moved when the operating-system environment was still being fleshed out – [Ubuntu Linux maker] Canonical is all right, but where is Red Hat? We were too early.'
nubbins`: i signed up for this broadband speed test thing
jurov: i did not put these online yet
nubbins`: major ISPs have been getting flak for crappy speeds
nubbins`: company sends me: an openwrt router
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pete_dushenski: actually the comments in there are pretty golden, mainly because a couple of our old boys - pankkake and thickasthieves - make appearances.
ascii_field: 'We wanted to make it so creating and selling hardware was as easy as writing and publishing a blog post. You shouldn’t need to be an electrical engineer or an industrial designer to create electronic devices. Nor should you have to worry about supply chain or distribution if you wanted to sell them. We believed it was possible to eliminate all of that complexity, so the average person could easily create highl
ascii_field: y customized hardware without any electronics know-how, all within their browser. Of course, things didn’t exactly play out that way. But why?'
ascii_field: 'Brawker is a Bitcoin buying service enabling consumer to purchase products with bitcoin. Company (Dead / Inactive)'
ascii_field: the 'lumos' link is to a still-alive photovoltaic maker !
ascii_field: doesn't seem to be connected with the 'home automation' derpery
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.coblee.-1:c57c32e81236f7a81f09f6711e561f9d861427b6eb5fc8869081279a8fa95627
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for coblee with note: plagiarist. shill.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.travispatron.-1:89ed5b6dd0be79f5f5046b2189526293c31f07ebf0f9459261dbd99851e1af5e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for travispatron with note: plagiarist. dunning-krugerand.
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ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk
☟︎ punkman: "I don't think most people run into this because most backend node programmers have moved to Go at this point" yeah because Go totally won't have dependency hell
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assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:47:27; ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc.
pete_dushenski: 50-100 meatpuppet line-ups 'normal' between classes and anywhere within walking distance of gov offices.
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nubbins`: tim hortons drive-thrus routinely cause traffic jams here
pete_dushenski: without philipinos (the actual, irl kind), these tim hortons operations would grind to a halt.
nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on
☟︎ nubbins`: i didn't think they used robusta
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nubbins`: timmy's a stone's throw from my house had to modify parking lot last year
nubbins`: to make a drive-thru maze that would accomodate more cars
nubbins`: and people still pull up behind the 5th car out in the road to get in the drive thru line
nubbins`: in ford f350s and big suvs, neutral gear, gassing it to the redline
nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> telling people to shut up and drink their oil << When plasticar was geared up in "Mad Max" mode with duct tape everywhere it was the mega trucks which offered it the widest berths.
nubbins`: took up three parking spots too, no doubt
BingoBoingo: From the tard mines: "Among the strongest creations of Team Abrams, Kylo Ren is a kind of baby Darth Vader who throws tantrums in inky-black robes while wearing a leather-and-metal-head appliance that looks like a domination mask by way of the grille of a 1952 Chevy." -NYtimes
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BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:25:52; ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:47:29; nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:49:53; nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil
mircea_popescu: The only thing you can do is npm shrinkwrap and never update your dependencies ever again << doh.
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mircea_popescu: "The Node/JS ecosystems are experiencing a Cambrian explosion in technology, with all that implies. If you don't like it, don't worry. It probably won't take 20 million years this time to settle in on the "best" ways of doing things."
mircea_popescu: "Hey man it was a fun jab, and try not to take things so seriously. It's hyperbole and it's part of who I am and how I get a statement across."
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assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:59:13; BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."
assbot: Bitcoin Developers Are Creating a New Digital Currency Called Decred - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... (
http://bit.ly/1IV4NfO )
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's a PR overstatement, it's the Conformal / btcd guys
ascii_field: 'A hybrid proof-of-work and proof-of-stake technology-based consensus system that will balance consensus between miners and voters... [buncha crud snipped] ... Bottom-up non-financial decision making through the Decred Assembly by community members contributing to the project through work and effort.'
ascii_field: also i saw 'decred' and assumed it was something about ro's decret children
kakobrekla: >Possible bitcoin implementation/compatibility due to the main contributors being those behind the development of btcsuite. <what
ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outside forces in the
☟︎ ascii_field: future. Decred therefore improves with growth in a sustainable way and is accountable only to its users.'
kakobrekla: devs feel they should get paid for derp work
kakobrekla: what if its worth something one day and they used it all for mcdonalds already?
ascii_field: this is sorta the definition of being poor - to not have anything that you might not end up 'having to sell for mcdonalds'
kakobrekla: iirc something similar happened here at some point
ascii_field: mircea_popescu described exactly same thing in ro
kakobrekla: even i got the shares of some companies, which i later sold for btc
jurov: cuz slovenians don't know how to steal
jurov: czechoslovak voucher privatisation ended up a lottery
jurov: yup, washington consesus or whatitwascalled
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pete_dushenski: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 << waitwut! 'When the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the event time is less than two weeks, that bet will be refunded less BitBet's fee." means this guy is shooting for december 30 and 31 EXCLUSIVELY. that's some kinda aim lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115832 @ 0.00048687 = 56.3951 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not such big balls. risking only fee if hit on any other days.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: well, price still has to hit 600 before now and new years...
BingoBoingo: "Heiniger’s call-to-arms, reproduced in at least one local paper, predicts that solar farms could shift land use to such an extent that “it is highly unlikely this land will ever be farmed again.” Heiniger also denounced solar energy as a government-subsidized boondoggle that is “highly inefficient at producing energy.”"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151900 @ 0.00048789 = 74.1105 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: “We’re not opposed to the solar farm itself, just that particular location,” Lane said. “We wanted to make sure they didn’t overtake the town.” << Translation: 3 in our backyard already, stop forcing them down our throats if you won't even have one of your own
kakobrekla: speaking of food i just got a fresh batch of horse meat from a local farmer - man this shit is crazy good, sorry cows you can go home
kakobrekla: doormouse is a delicacy here and you cant really get it in large quantities, also it has very poor meat to bone ratio - and because of the doormouse diet, meat has a quite strong and specific taste - i prefer horse indeed
BingoBoingo: Perhaps what the world needs is doormoose.
kakobrekla: the dms fat has some very nice healing qualities tho
kakobrekla: people successfully use it for various types of skin issues and even joint pains and so on
BingoBoingo things kakobrekla and nubbins` should collaborate on this urgent concern
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 469 @ 0.00256035 = 1.2008 BTC [-] {15}
kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well, you have the mice and he has the moose.
BingoBoingo: If nubbins doesn't clean his kitchen it will rapidly fill with moose
kakobrekla: the thing is, big things lose on quality
kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: yeah, maybe we'll have to table this until we get bored with our chip fabs and can move on to our own monsanto
BingoBoingo: But GMO mammals instead of corn and soy because much safer.
pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'In the past few years, about two dozen solar farms around the state have become targets of public ire, usually over aesthetics and property values. Facing local hostility, several of these energy projects were voluntarily withdrawn by the developers, said Daniel Conrad, a staff attorney for the N.C. Utilities Commission. The resistance often flares up in areas that have become magnets for solar farms – agricultura
ascii_field: l communities with cheap farmland near electrical substations where solar farms can interconnect to the power grid..'
ascii_field: ^ let's hope the imbeciles like shitting in the dark come the petrocalypse
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Cow town already has plenty of solar farm for themselves. It's Raleigh that has none.
ascii_field: (photovoltaics are thermodynamically -ev, but economically interesting because they... work while they work. and hence 'lock in' some joules for the owner)
pete_dushenski: like a give a shit about how cool and informal your company is. but i guess this speaks to how fungible your retarded staff are eh. "oh, matt left, but we got a new matt, just like the old one". keep being washing machines, i'm sure you'll be mega profitable.
jurov: !s photovoltaics ascii
pete_dushenski: and of course, no mailing address on 'contact' page. godfuckdamnallyourdumbmothers!!!1
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean thermodynamically -ev?
ascii_field: jurov: costs more joules to make than yields over working life
pete_dushenski: because communication and physicality are incompatibru !
jurov: ascii_field: source?
ascii_field: jurov: back of envelope calculation, somewhere in the logz
ascii_field: jurov: if you feel like putting in the sweat and re-crunching the numberz for modern input, we will learn something useful
ascii_field: but the possibly novel thought earlier was, that photovoltaic could be a useful thing even if ~heavily~ -ev in the thermo sense
ascii_field: because it locks in 'J joules over Y years' sorta like a hedged bitbet
jurov: ;;calc 0.1*6*3600*3650
jurov: 100 watt * 6 hours daily * 10years
BingoBoingo: Limiting factor seems to be that upper limit of pv panel lifespan is something of an unknown
ascii_field: whereas a concentrated energy carrier like, say, a few tonnes of petrol, is a) volatile b) flammable c) easily stolen d) requires finicky engine, with associated maintenance, ditto dynamo
jurov: BingoBoingo: lifetime at least 10y is proben in practice
ascii_field: (diesel is slightly less terrifying with respect to 'a' and 'b' but has same problems)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Then there's ones still running 30 and 60 years out
jurov: so manufacturing the 1m2 piece of silicon needs much more than 8 GJ?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: tricky. there are multiple failure modes, and dead short is one of them
ascii_field: jurov: where do you live where you get 100W for 6h/d
jurov: 8GJ ~ 2 MWh . hard to believe
nubbins`: i actually have some moose in my freezer right now
nubbins`: may make sausages over the holidays
ascii_field: and where can i buy a m^2 cell that yields 100W ever
jurov: well, throw in a better number
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181100 @ 0.00048327 = 87.5202 BTC [-] {3}
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jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity
☟︎ jurov: so it looks about on par
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25376 @ 0.00048529 = 12.3147 BTC [+]
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assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:48:04; ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outs
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is how the catholic church was born.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:49:21; ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:50:39; ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:33:59; mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work!
mircea_popescu: not at all. tilt is when you play poorly / too agressively and LOSE YOUR OWN MONEY.
ascii_field: well, when you play poorly from rage at having sucked earlier
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe it works this way. in my mind it's very stricrtly related to blowing a roll tho
ascii_field is curious whether 'tilt' usage appeared first in poker or in 'pinball'
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:48:15; kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field pinball. the idea there is you can get the machine in a state where it "pays" you for free.
mircea_popescu: hence in poker, you're like a pinball machine on tilt.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:50:35; kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.
kakobrekla: arent the store bought same as wild but bread for quantity (size) ?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:01:53; pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.
pete_dushenski: pinball machine was then sent to only shop in town who could fix ~40 year-old machine, but delivery was same as cost of repair, so parents borrowed pick-up truck, from whence the machine fell off the back and broke, again, on the very. last. corner. to. our. house.
pete_dushenski: by the time heartbreak healed and we looked around for another repair shop, there were none.
kakobrekla: grain is also different from grass in terms of species, but its a man made difference
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:40:19; mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis
ascii_field: real strawberry is virtually impossible to get here
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, the cultivar is a hybrid, called something like fragaria x or w/e.
ascii_field lived in a flat made inside one such house long ago
ascii_field: (plumbing was a retrofit! gurgling shitpipes right in the rooms)
ascii_field: aha but if house did not have it when built, it will be just like so.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:15:11; jurov: well, throw in a better number
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: vs what other kind of radiator
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:20:17; jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity
mircea_popescu: just like tesla "can be bought" for 100k in soviet govt vouchers
mircea_popescu: but the car cost ~1mn worth of turkey dollars to make.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: only to participants in good standing in the mortgage racket
mircea_popescu: not so different from how this works in cuba. yes you can "buy" "mercedes" in cuba, for govt vouchers.
ascii_field: ( i can't go and buy a pv panel with obama paying so much as a cent )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yea well... go to the party night meetings more often, comrade.
ascii_field: when i think about what something costs to buy, i think 'with money' rather than 'with Hero Mother Award vouchers from zimbabwestan'
mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field what's your take on petliura ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the fella who ran on liquid jew ?
mircea_popescu: but colorful enough to support the notion of a bona fide ukr nation ?
ascii_field: ukr nation is sitting right there, for whoever wants
ascii_field: about the same cultural weight as zimbabwe, and for very similar reason
ascii_field: with items like own literature, period of empire, scholarship, military wins
mircea_popescu: well... you mean as part of the commonwealth or somehow before ?
mircea_popescu: so the trashing pilsudski administered to the oh so clever & brave bolsheviks doesn't count for the ukrs ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the maneuvers were a joint thing with the ukrainiansa
ascii_field: phun phakt - 'u kraina' == 'on the fringes'
mircea_popescu: afaik, the ukrs were actually the only people who had jews in govt etc after the ww1.
ascii_field: poor schmucks were on the fringes. it wasn't sweet, no. had all kinds of misadventures.
ascii_field: esp. after anglos (brit first, then modern usg) had the brilliant idea of nurturing a counter-ru bantustan there
ascii_field: (except it was 'they' in the sense where 'man descended from monkey')
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pete_dushenski: lol it's exactly what i have in my place. same as i had in last place too. and place before that!
pete_dushenski: thus constant warnings not to leave patio doors open in winter, lest pipes freeze and asplode.
BingoBoingo: "James Bond kills for the global Anglo-American bankocracy, whose most loyal thugs have been, and will be, members of our world-wide underclass, who might best be trusted with heaping injustice upon those above them and below their masters who might oppose the global good. " >>
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3461 punkman: assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work
☟︎ punkman: "I played cat-and-mouse with the fraudsters for a bit, adding various checks such as e-mail confirmation, IP bans etc. but it only took hours for the criminals to adapt to these. Eventually I just ragequit and switched off credit cards, going back to PayPal-only."
punkman: if only one of the paypal wannabes could accept credit and pay out in bitcoin
pete_dushenski: "Hard forking changes require that ultimately every participant in the system adopts the new rules. I find it immoral and dangerous to merge such a change without extremely widespread agreement. I am personally fine with a short-term small block size bump to kick the can down the road if that is what the ecosystem desires, but I can only agree with merging it in Core if I'm convinced that there is no strong oppositio
pete_dushenski: what could be a more convincing opposition than a death warrant, one wonders.
pete_dushenski: though, yes, wuille only proposed 'soft fork', he clearly knows full well what he's up against.
BingoBoingo: Well he still pushes jim crow as "uncontroversial"
pete_dushenski: he's still dumb enough to think that he can squeek through this affair unscathed, but my god he's an oily eel.