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mircea_popescu: funny that antiseptic masculinity should be deemed toxic by the very bugs it is there to exterminate.
mircea_popescu: i could have not predicted this entirely surprising turn of events.
mircea_popescu: should have listend when toupac told us all to get credit cards.
sina: hullo
shinohai: how's sins?
sina: asciilifeform: if you are about I have a question for the resident expert on constanttime stuff
sina: hi shinohai! nb, and you?
shinohai: Same
sina: asciilifeform: basically I am wondering about the "threat model" of constanttime sidechannel stuffs. for example, let's say I want to write you an email with RSA encrypted body, or receive same from you, is there really a sidechannel there? I guess I'm asking in terms of async vs sync encrypted comms
mircea_popescu: sina you mean, is there a side channel for constant time ops ? or for rsa as commonly implemented atm ?
sina: as commonly implemented
sina: I mean, I get that there are timing attacks you could perform if there was a synchronous stream of traffic happening
mircea_popescu: as commonly implem,ented, yes.
sina: but if I write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived?
sina: can you give me an example situation mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: actual key recovery via acousting channel has been demonstrated recently ; power lines both in draw and as antenna have long been known to leak key bits.
mircea_popescu: etcetera.
mircea_popescu: sina example situation, you decrypt your message in a room with an ipad, lose the key.
sina: I lose the key because an adversary is nearby watching all my EMR?
mircea_popescu: because the processor clicks slightly as it works ; and if you fork on secret bits you are thereby giving the secret bits away.
sina: giving them away to whom? certainly not to a passive network adversary...right?
mircea_popescu: to anyone who happens to listen.
sina: "to listen" ...to...EMR...right?
mircea_popescu: it is perfectly conceivable that by following eg your delay in response to pings on a network-routable box while a decryption is in progress, at least part of the key material can be derived.
asciilifeform: sina: your question is in fact a repeat of old thread , which you participated in, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674790☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:45 asciilifeform: EVERYONE eventually asks this
mircea_popescu: sina doesn't have to be "emr". it can be the resonant behaviour of your power lines or the acoustic polution in the room or ping delays or anything else.
mircea_popescu: cache hits to reference the recent rowhammer lulz, you name it.
asciilifeform: the 'write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived' contention is merely a special case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674800☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:47 sina: any actual practical example of making it spill out of the time box? lets say two independent processes, one is preparing the payloads and putting them in an "outbox"
asciilifeform: sina: do you know the story of the synchronized machine gun ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently it didn't take.
sina: asciilifeform: if you would consider this question as a continuation of that thread rather than repeat, I'd appreciate
asciilifeform: in ww1, at first flyers had to be content with dropping caltrops, frags, firing revolvers, from the cockpit
sina: however I would note that at the end of that thread it was still unclear to me how the final model I proposed was unsafe in any case
asciilifeform: but this was quickly found to be a sad joke, folx wanted to mount machine gun
asciilifeform: problem is, how do you aim.
asciilifeform: can have a second man, but in the cardboard planes this was an expensive mass proposition.
sina: right, I know the thing of synchronizing bullets with the propellor spins
asciilifeform: so the coaxial -- with propeller -- was chosen
asciilifeform: anyway, the 'modern' scheme, with the synchronized bolt, is a german invention
asciilifeform: the french at first took the idiot path of... armouring propellers.
asciilifeform: the 'release modular exponentiation result after time T' is an armoured propeller.
asciilifeform: is it obvious how, or is it necessary to explain ?
sina: I guess I should rephrase my question
sina: what I'm trying to understand, is which adversaries can mount a timing attack, and which cannot, given async comms
trinque: .. just gotta get the thing to leak your sleep timing too
asciilifeform: sina: there is a ru proverb, pertinent, also : 'you cannot conceal an awl inside a sack'
asciilifeform: your modularexp is an awl
asciilifeform: the hypothetical 'time envelope' -- sack
asciilifeform: it is enough for the awl to pierce the sack exactly once, anywhere.
sina: what's awl
asciilifeform: sina: sharp tool for sewing in leather
sina: asciilifeform: so what software do you currently use for RSA encryption
sina: my understandinf of your POV is that there is currently no adequate constanttime impl
asciilifeform: sina: currently there is exactly 1 rsatron that anybody worth mentioning uses, gpg. which is a sad joke in 9,001 ways, and slated for replacement
asciilifeform: the 1 constanttime implementation -- is mine
asciilifeform: but it is right now in prototype phase
sina: right. so you use it, despite it being as "awlish" as anything?
trinque: there is even a historic copy of grandfather's pistol in deedbot
sina: which is fine, and I guess my point, because you must understand there is some adversary which can read your keys and some which cannot and you as of current, accept the risk
trinque: sina: what are you driving at?
trinque: rubber stamp of your own use of gpg?
sina: no
sina: just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes
sina: for the purpose of proper understanding
sina: e.g. asciilifeform uses gpg, even though he knows some adversary might read his key via timing attack, because the list of adversary which can do so, he has discounted
sina: for now anyway
asciilifeform: sina: our 18th ancestors' perspectives on hygiene are not advice to the modern thinking man.
asciilifeform: ditto gpg.
sina: again, it's understood
sina: asciilifeform: "you cannot conceal an awl inside a sack" understood and accepted
trinque: that you are on a field being mortared does not mean you've discounted the enemy
trinque: just that you're there, so might get hit.
sina: given that. what are the practicalities, today, on the ground
trinque: might think of moving, while you're still alive
asciilifeform: sina: the practicalities are - that every time you unholster your gpg key, you broadcast a few bits of it.
asciilifeform: whether anybody happens to be listening is separate consideration.
asciilifeform: the other practicality is that certain hypothetical uses of rsa -- such as specifically gossipd -- magnify this leak to the point where you are broadcasting the key at a few kHz
sina: trinque: to extend your analogy. you are on a field, in a crater. you are ~impervious to horizontal machine gun attack thanks to the crater, but vulnerable to mortar attack
trinque: there's this reaction to the NSA mindrape that ought to be pointed at directly. and more broadly the socialist mindrape.
trinque: "yes things are that bad. have a great day!"
sina: trinque: my question being, given a sina sitting in the crater, what is the list of things ~impervious to, what is the list of things not
trinque: sina: you do not and likely will not know the manifold ways modern computing has been perforated for imperial tyranny
sina: none of us do, and yet, tmsr uses "18th century hygeine" anyway. I am assuming because of considered evaluation of possible threats and their outcome
sina: at least until 21st century hygeine comes along
sina: no?
asciilifeform: sina: what argument are you trying to make ?
sina: no argument sir
sina: only seeking of complete understanding
sina: given observation of behaviours
sina: feel free to say "it's a dumb question, go away"
sina: I ask here, because I feel here can give a useful answer
trinque: not a dumb question, just already answered http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686394☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 asciilifeform: sina: the practicalities are - that every time you unholster your gpg key, you broadcast a few bits of it.
sina: trinque: given the quoted statement, what are the implications? for example, does it imply that a passive network adversary will not be in a position to mount a timing attack? or does it so?
sina: can I safely state, if I want to email trinque RSA encrypted cake recipe, that asciilifeform can never read it?
asciilifeform: if it's 500 recipes / sec for an hour, i'll read it
asciilifeform: otherwise may or may not, but YOU DON'T KNOW which
sina: or to ask alternatively, broadcast to whom?
asciilifeform: there isn't a 'to whom', that's what word 'broadcast' ~means~
sina: anyone who can ping my box? anyone in the world?
asciilifeform: it's a 'to whom it may concern..'
asciilifeform: to your neighbour, watching the room lights; to passer-by with antenna; to your isp; varies
asciilifeform: to the other electronics, of various provenance, in your house. in your neighbour's house. to martians. etc
trinque: to the antenna in your CPU! lets go full tinfoil.
asciilifeform: to whoever sits on your pole transformer.
asciilifeform: this list is arbitrarily long and NECESSARILY incomplete
asciilifeform: and ill-conceived -- 'enumeration of badness'
asciilifeform: but refusing to actually plug the leak at the source, dooms you to it
trinque: !#s enumeration of badness
a111: 2 results for "enumeration of badness", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=enumeration%20of%20badness
sina: and yet, here we all are, encrypting, decrypting, signing ascii with some RSA stuff all the time, in spite of that
asciilifeform: sina: i'll ask just this one more time : what is your argument ?
trinque: sina: be brave and actually state what made you say that.
sina: it's not an argument, only the next thought that pops into my head as a consequence of the discussion. all here seem on the same page re constanttime stuff, yet all here are using the tool in spite of that, so there must be some thought process which allows someone as reasonably paranoid as asciilifeform to do so, i.e. "I am not concerned with timing attacks of class X, Y, Z from adversary A, B,C when I
sina: want to send my encrypted cake recipe to trinque"
trinque: if standing on hot coals, I bet you'd run even though you'd only step on more coals, at least for a while.
trinque: and meanwhile only sensible strategy would be to move quickly / step as few times as possible til off
sina: otherwise asciilifeform would surely say "what is the point of encrypting, I am broadcasting my key to all, every time"
sina: does my line of thought really make so little sense?
sina: again to reiterate I seek only understanding, not to make a point or argument
asciilifeform: == 'what is the point of obeying traffic signals, i have a good chance of death in traffic anyway'
trinque: sina: never been in a situation where you both had to act and there were no good options?
trinque: (people gotta live more)
sina: trinque: of course! and I ask, is there no value in understanding the consequences of a given act?
sina: it seems the answer so far given is only "the consequence is always the worst, given this particular act"
sina: but that is not congruent with actions taken, otherwise all here would treat their keys as compromised?
sina: whereas I am asking, what is the gradient of consequence, given differing scenarios and adversaries
trinque: how would you measure whether they are or not, other than acting in the world and seeing if you fail?
trinque: and meanwhile refining methods seems sensible
sina: trinque: does the general commit his troops to an action and see if he fails? or try and understand the enemy movement and tactics, to say "ok, crossing the bridge with enemy awaiting on farside, bad idea" without needing to act on it
sina: and so it is, "do not encrypt 500 cake recipes a second"
trinque: absent asciilifeform's expertise which gave ^ as output, one'd just turn that into a totem
asciilifeform: sina: you DON'T KNOW that it's 500
asciilifeform: could be 499. could be 4.
trinque: and it wasn't a specific example
asciilifeform: whereas if you simply DON'T MOTHERFUCKING LEAK, it doesn't matter if 500, 5,000,000, whatever.
trinque: sorta like these guys that come through asking what to do with their raspberry pi wallet or w/e, life savings in dogecoin
asciilifeform: i had nfi that this is a difficult concept.
sina: alright. please let me attempt to summarise the discussion thus far, and correct any misconceptions
sina: "today, until a constanttime solution is in place, gpg is the tool of choice for RSA encryption. any time you use it, you can't know whether you have completely compromised your private key. and we use it anyway."
mircea_popescu: sina> just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes << anyone who can listen in (ie, intercept acoustic band) within a mile or so of your machine, can derive your key that way. anyone who can measure your power draw (say, up to the pole) can derive your key that way. anyone who can route to your box, and measure delays, can idem.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you're running the "awl" there are no solutions for this -- just mitigations. do not permit micrphones ; do not permit antennas ; use inductor&battery arrangements ; shoot anyone seen approaching the solitary hilltop fortress and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: the costs of mitigation ever mount, which is why a proper solution is even contemplated.
sina: mircea_popescu: if that is a complete list, then I am content with a useful answer.
mircea_popescu: there can never be a complete list.
mircea_popescu: it is a reasonably complete list.
sina: then I am reasonably content :P
sina: asciilifeform, trinque, no misconceptions in my summary?
trinque: just the contentment!
sina: trinque: to clarify, contentment in understanding, not of the status quo
trinque: is joek
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686392 to this point : depends how much you're worth. if you're worth nothing, then you are thereby "safe" in this sense, that while protein rich i still don't eat the moths in my house.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 sina: given that. what are the practicalities, today, on the ground
mircea_popescu: otherwise, in order of cheapness-effectivity : 1) get an isolated box for rsa ops. this shouldn't ever connect ot the internet. stuffing into it a stick which was in a net-connected machine counts.
mircea_popescu: 2) get a proper power supply. this means -- that the power line should feed a battery, not your machine. you can measure leakage if you will, so this can be tweaked by hand to an arbitrary level.
mircea_popescu: 3) get a n-p detector, armed guards, your own spying machinery, declare interdiction zones, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: 4) infiltrate all conceivable enemies with your own agents
mircea_popescu: 5) take over the crown.
sina: mircea_popescu: only as a matter of curiosity, given your worth re above statement, do you take any of these actions?
mircea_popescu: somewhere between 1 and 3 most people have enough bellyache. because, really, it's never fucking worth it to 5.
mircea_popescu: sina yes. i actually infiltrate all conceivable enemies.
sina: :D
sina: it's a picture of mircea_popescu https://68.media.tumblr.com/916cb4ae6b1ff824fc27d1ffdca8e207/tumblr_n915c69LhG1snb6qwo2_r2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: whossat ?
sina: some actor playing the character of "Vizzini" in "The Princess Bride"
sina: also a famous internet meme
mircea_popescu: what's the intension ?
sina: is joek
mircea_popescu: i get that part, but what does it aim to, what's the tendency ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657137 << discussion of 5.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 19:52 mircea_popescu: romania incidentally has a long history of just this, it's called fanarioti period. hundreds of groups over 3-4 centuries did just this, kept taking over because pissed off with insolence of ex crown. discovered worse deal to be king.
sina: oh. so in the movie Vizzini is the supersmart villain trying to kidnap this lady, and the good guy Dread Pirate Roberts keeps chasing him despite various obstacles Vizzini has created
sina: whenever DPR does a thing, Vizzini is forced to say "Inconceivable"
sina: http://princessbride.wikia.com/wiki/Vizzini
mircea_popescu: ah that's who that was.
mircea_popescu has seen the "you killed my father" a long time ago.
sina: that is the one, although the book from which it derived is equally enjoyable
sina: actually this quote seems like 100% mircea_popescu
sina: "You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses while your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... "
sina: I mean I can picture reading it in the logs
mircea_popescu: i can't fwiw
trinque: oh jeez.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-28#1354883 << lellll☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-28 01:23 mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
mircea_popescu: aha.
sina: seek and ye shall find
mircea_popescu: dja see the difference in quality ?
mircea_popescu: not that i fault penny-an-hour hack/writer for not being able to reproduce reality in his fancy.
sina: mircea_popescu: and yet it is so, the logs are the only place I can imagine such a sentence being discussed today
hanbot: lol this poor guy's been trying to have a chuckle the last 20 mins...NOT ALLOWED!
mircea_popescu: better chuckles!
mircea_popescu: HA HA HA HA HA ha
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686409 << altogether not even much of a question.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:47 sina: feel free to say "it's a dumb question, go away"
sina: anyhooz. patience from the usual suspects on RSA discussion greatly appreciated. must be off, have wonderful days all.
mircea_popescu: the theory is that there's no "best practices", and deliberately. i'm pretty sure the practice follows the theory, but we'll definitely never know.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686438 <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:58 sina: does my line of thought really make so little sense?
mircea_popescu: ly duty can never be forgiven.
mircea_popescu: and once there... well... there'll be more stepping on more coals to get away.
lobbes: in other questions: Prompted by up-stack threads and after much log reading I've concluded that a SSD is a must for trb-ing. Would an external usb SSD be adequate, versus, say a SATA connection?
asciilifeform: lobbes: generally no
lobbes: okay
asciilifeform: ( clogs the bus )
lobbes: damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron.
asciilifeform: it doesn't hurt to try
asciilifeform: but in my experience they make poor nodes.
lobbes: I'll learn shit in the process, at least.
mod6: never hurts, get the kinks out early
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the emaciated future, http://68.media.tumblr.com/94e47881942ed1fb6fa1349abd5841a5/tumblr_og8lhuAnZB1stijv1o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <sina> whenever DPR does a thing, Vizzini is forced to say "Inconceivable" << Except irl, mircea_popescu is not short and DPR sits in sodomy box while mircea_popescu's muscle has titties
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD?
mircea_popescu: possibly he doesn't want to pop the lid.
mircea_popescu: a sentiment i can sympathize with -- no better way to ruin the day of cleanfreak chick than making her open up her years-old laptop.
asciilifeform: pbfffffft
asciilifeform: ( am i the only one who still cleans these regularly ? )
BingoBoingo cleans
mircea_popescu: well certainly people who don't know they come apart don't regularly anything.
mircea_popescu: "i'm not only a virgin, but i never laid a hand on my slit" comes with a smegma guarantee.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, innocence and drunkedness are, in that order, the superlative degrees of unhygienicity.
BingoBoingo: Well, this is the story of how the puritains ruined America. "It dun work" "Have you tried cleaning it?" "STFU Imma not touch the filth" ... Disposable everythings
asciilifeform: it isn't like you gotta clean it with own tongue
mircea_popescu: keks
BingoBoingo has met people who after touching granular pesticide barehanded tried to insist "hand sanitizer" was sufficient cleaning.
BingoBoingo insisted STFU, GO HOSE!!!
BingoBoingo wonders how reactive a hand santizer would have to be to reliably convert most organic compounds to "safe" forms. Likely would look like a hand solving vat of H2SO4 + H2O2
asciilifeform: 'national razor' lol
BingoBoingo: Product nothing seriously toxic, just permetherins and fuller's earth but still.
mircea_popescu: you just wanted her to splash hose water on her tits.
BingoBoingo: Nah, was old woman. Sent to hose herself.
mod6: solid logs
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
lobbes: BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD? << wtf I didn't even consider this. And yeah, this'll be a great opportunity to clean out the physical crap that's probably choking out the airflow in the thing.
ave1: mod6, asciilifeform: I've been playing with GNAT versions and the fact code
ave1: I also get this problem: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684855☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:00 mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true
ave1: Turns out the version of gnat in gcc 4.9.* is based on GNAT GPL 2014 (from adacore)
ave1: (also in gcc 5.*, I've not looked in the 6.* range)
ave1: It seems that version has problems with inlined functions containing inlined functions
ave1: (like the Mul functions...)
shinohai: ave1 .... I got the same error as you (Have not looked into it further yet though)
shinohai: well, same error as mod6
ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
asciilifeform: ave1: can't be the reason, i have it working on 4.9
ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
ave1: (and GPL 2014 and gcc 4.9.4 are the same)
asciilifeform: anyway if your gnat does this, it is rubbish, throw it out, i will not be v-releasing an ffa where everything is not inlined, each non-inlined routine is a ~10% speed ding.
ave1: I can build a gnat using the sources from adacore and all is fine
ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
shinohai: Lovely, nb
ave1: asciilifeform, how did you get your 4.9 version (I see two version in gentoo) ?
shinohai: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: heh
asciilifeform: ave1: by emerging at some point
ave1: p.s. I want to throw it out, but I like to have a version that cross compiles to ppc64le
asciilifeform: ave1: gonna have to patch , then, and cure the retardation.
ave1: and gcc 4.9.4 does so, but the adacore code has problems
asciilifeform: the confiscation of gnat from the idiots is inevitable. may as well begin with this.
ave1: ok, I will do some more banging against the wall on this
shinohai: ave1: Can you link me to the adacore sources that worked for you?
ave1: Go here: http://libre.adacore.com/download
ave1: select GPL-2015 (or 2016)
ave1: select sources
shinohai: thx
ave1: download gcc-4.9-gpl, gnat-gpl-2016, gcc-interface- files (so 3 files)
ave1: unpack all tree
ave1: copy gnat-gpl-*/src/ad to gcc-4.9-*/gcc/ (so you get an ada dir under gcc)
ave1: ad -> ada
ave1: copy gcc-interface-* to gcc-4.9-*/gcc/ada/gcc-interface (so rename of dir)
ave1: then you have a gcc you can build
ave1: p.s. the portage ebuild does exactly this (plus some gentoo patching)
ave1: see https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/dev-lang/gnat-gpl/gnat-gpl-2016.ebuild?id=27440b1aa409e5471622a0ad0bbebbf97e7f79c8
shinohai: Very resourceful, thank you
mod6: thanks ave1
ave1: p.s I already have a musl build for x86_64 (based on musl_cross) (works on adacore stuff and gcc-4.9.4), but is needs some more work
ave1: I like to default it to building static files binaries
asciilifeform: ^ interesting, i'd like to see this
asciilifeform: it was on my conveyor and promised to be a very gnarly chore
ave1: yes, but mainly because the gnat makefiles hardcode the gnattool names at different places
ave1: one moment, I will look for the diff
ave1: ok, this is the diff (also contains musl diffs from musl_cross)
ave1: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NXbbK/?raw=true
ave1: musl_cross from here: https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/musl-cross/
asciilifeform: of what is the diff ?
ave1: of clean gcc 4.9.4 from FSF to a gcc 4.9.4 that build with musl + gnat
ave1: if you get musl_cross, and replace the gcc-4.9.4-musl.diff therein with this one
asciilifeform: ave1: consider writing down the recipe for this
ave1: plus add ada to the languages to build
ave1: will do, I will probably create version of musl_cross that does all this
asciilifeform: !!rated ave1
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ave1 1 at 2017/05/18 13:13:06 << ada lurker
asciilifeform: !!rate ave1 3 gnatronicist
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BxfrQ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 352B78C89FA88878A8EEE992E6C76F66D9EFAB1FF1D0035B53FEB73B163C0B23
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of ave1 from 1 to 3 << gnatronicist
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gavinlandia, https://archive.is/KOhTm >> 'Resolution is to either guarantee there are non-bit1 signaling miners before enforcing (kind of incompatible with the definition of 80% activation), or manually guarantee the the graph of enforcing miners is connected.' << d00d realizes that the softshitfork thing won't work without cartel... proceeds to demand one
shinohai: Which leads to lulz such as: http://archive.is/YKyYa
asciilifeform: 'It's also interesting to note that some miners are signalling to orphan themselves. Antpool, BTC.com, and BTC.top are all signalling for BIP 91 with bit 4, but are not signalling for segwit on bit 1. This means that once BIP 91 activates, if they don't change their version number (and it seems that this is a manual process as most mining pools set the version number manually), they will be orphaning their own blocks under the BIP 91
asciilifeform: rules.' << lol julyphorq rerun
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 have you ever used http://sabotage.tech 's musltronic linux ? or have any idea who maintains it ? invite'em here.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
daffadil: This might be interesting to some: "DNA based Random Key Generation and Management for OTP Encryption"
daffadil: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264717300539
daffadil: Here is full .pdf: https://dropfile.to/2T3Dkt1
asciilifeform: hard to think of a more mindblowing idiocy
mircea_popescu: did you read the "whores moaning in orgasmic agony source of rng" thread ?
asciilifeform: yes, totally want to leave UNCHANGEABLE privkey every time you take a shit
asciilifeform: or sneeze
asciilifeform: only a ustard could have conceived of a gem like this.
daffadil: Not necessarily generating privkey from your own DNA.
mircea_popescu: daffadil DID YOU read.
daffadil: Ya I didn't understand all details but I read it.
asciilifeform: daffadil: see also this old, lesser, horror : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084139☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 14:59 asciilifeform: 'Identity-based encryption is a type of public-key encryption in which any arbitrary string (such as a user’s email address) can be used as a public key, enabling data to be protected without the need for long, randomly generated keys or certificates. Today, there are numerous standards for IBE based on Boneh’s work, including IEEE P1363.3 and several IETF RFCs.' << from the press release.
mircea_popescu: link me
asciilifeform: ( summary : ustards are fixated on 'escrowable' ciphers, as they were called in 1990s, but today they do not use the word . i.e. schemes for getting your privkey to be something THEY can access on a whim )
asciilifeform: http://www.sciencedirect.com.sci-hub.cc/science/article/pii/S0303264717300539 << daffadil's link, for the dedicated entomologist.
asciilifeform: 'The advantage of this method is that a binary random sequence of any length can be easily generated from public or private genetic databases. An unlimited number of distinct random sequences can be obtained by multiplexing, shifting or concatenating sequences from different DNA species. To solve the major drawback of the OTP cryptosystems, key storage and transmission, Borda et al. proposed communicating the secure key through the s
asciilifeform: hort identification numbers of the DNA sequences in the database. It is crucial to store the unique secure key in a highly reliable carrier and transmit it through a special secure channel to guarantee the correctness of the secure key'
asciilifeform: this is == to the 18th century 'book cipher'
mircea_popescu: even in the particular that literacy is reserved for a precious few.
asciilifeform: but instead of cheap book, use expensive and usg-indexed dna collections, yes
asciilifeform: the real usgtronic gem here is that there's massive existing investment in 'this is a transform of SOME dna sequence, SOMEWHERE, now tell me which' hardware
asciilifeform: so nao naturally they'd like to trick some idiot, somewhere, into using their pre-indexed fauxotp as an otp...
asciilifeform: just say no to faux otp, folx
mircea_popescu: hey, they keep working to convince idiots someone somewhere would actually WANT to drink carbonic acid solution with 5k brix.
daffadil: Haha yes. As the paper currently presents, the system is not built for privacy, especially if it uses publicly-indexed databases. However I thought that the idea of using mutational randomness as a physical process to generate private keys was interesting.
asciilifeform: daffadil: thoroughly idiotic idea
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: !!rate daffadil -1 lies conversationally.
daffadil: Good ~
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/178XC/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v 9422E13A8FEEF58FB0B30F04A86F39EE53EEC0B80B2271EB6B5B38E61757D500
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of daffadil from 1 to -1 << lies conversationally.
trinque: d'oh, in-group signaling fail for poar daffadil
mircea_popescu: !!down daffadil
asciilifeform: where did the d00d even come from
mircea_popescu: iirc gl's acquaintance.
asciilifeform: i only know him as a steady source of disconnectolade rubbish
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: in any event, the pretense of hey, we're just talking hurr isn't going to take one far here. if that wasn't obvious.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Fcggx << obliglolgif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, considering how many brits zee germans shot for that...
mircea_popescu: was there an actual german spy shot in britain at any point ?
asciilifeform: handful iirc
asciilifeform: most famously the d00d in the photo -- wasn't
mircea_popescu: but i mean, actual germans, not confused brits
asciilifeform: ( theatric op )
asciilifeform: actual
mircea_popescu: still wrong ratio for the pretense!!11
asciilifeform: lolyes
mircea_popescu: it's funny how repeating this pattern is : whosoever is on the receiving end of the cock, whatever the cock may be, doesn't really want porn around.
mircea_popescu: zee germans, getting it in every hole from teh brits, didn't really do much in the way of "shot british spy" photo ops.
mircea_popescu: the brits however, losing more men to spying than to trenchlines in some days, nevertheless...
asciilifeform still lolling over the 'the system is not built for privacy' gem
asciilifeform: 'Не смешно? Зато про войну' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: somehow if you go "the collegiate dorm is not built for modesty" they, the very same they, go in an uproar.
mircea_popescu: "the land is not built for equality", how about that one ?
mircea_popescu: gotta have all female values, an' selective privacy is teh foremost on the list.
asciilifeform: keybasetronic 'crypto' is interesting parallel to, e.g., prb. in both cases the muppetmasters get to rejoice over 'user count' but weep when realizing that nobody of any import is in this count, and the net loot sums to 0
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: but hey, fair is fair -- everyone gets what he says he wants and then gets to wash his head with it.
asciilifeform: e.g., trump, with his 'encrypted chat' on ipnoje that leaks every fart
asciilifeform: and continues.
mircea_popescu: that was, since i was a wee tyke, the one fascinating, ceaselessly fascinating aspect of the world : that for all teh chagrin and professed despair and broken dreams hopes and aspirations etcetera
mircea_popescu: everyone, at any point, without exception got EXACTLY what they asked for.
asciilifeform: expand?
mircea_popescu: and, as you say, continues.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empire wants headcount, (because it sold itself on the lie of equality). gets headcount. except...
asciilifeform: aah yes
mircea_popescu: daffadil wants to participate, but does so in the manner of asking for it, and gets it.
mircea_popescu: you can't actually find a case where anyone has any legitimate complaint against the world. hasn't, yet, happened.
asciilifeform: i still reel from the riotous idiocy of even calling a public string 'an otp'
asciilifeform: who the fuck is the target audience of that paper.
mircea_popescu: it's "once upon a timepad" neh /
asciilifeform: it's an potentially infinitely-time pad.
mircea_popescu: that'd just mean it's famous!
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: twu luv!
mircea_popescu: to answer your question : cunt, that still runs on perl, is the intended audience of that paper.
mircea_popescu: the organ is clearly made for reuse and she wants to profess undying attachment.
mircea_popescu: because... you've guessed it... the system was not built for any clear real-ideal bijectivity.
asciilifeform: btw maybe 19 in 20, at this point, papers in 'crypto' are of this type. i.e. having exactly as much to do with genuine crypto as that caterpillar with the snake face has with actual snake.
mircea_popescu: but at least black chix code.
mircea_popescu: if not in their original bodies, then at least as emulated by pasty ass djb-wanna-bes.
asciilifeform: lenin lives in our hearts!111!!
mircea_popescu: and roosevelt in our buttholes!
asciilifeform: where else.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9359E055174F1B18DFBD4BB1707BFC20C1D4C66EADCF502B3914FBCA6A68171 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1461...4917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.48.210.98 (ssh-rsa key from 62.48.210.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-wan-bl1-210-98.rev.webside.pt. PT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9359E055174F1B18DFBD4BB1707BFC20C1D4C66EADCF502B3914FBCA6A68171 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1585...1349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.48.210.98 (ssh-rsa key from 62.48.210.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-wan-bl1-210-98.rev.webside.pt. PT)
asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07/19/1459244/amd-has-no-plans-to-release-psp-code
asciilifeform: '..."We have no plans on releasing it to the public," the company executives said'
mircea_popescu: eulora ?
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669270☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 18:10 mircea_popescu: absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: just saying, "releasing it to the public" is not the way the water goes anymore.
asciilifeform: link was re amd's magic key cpu-integrated fritz chip, and how reddit et al 'protested', and reply was - unsurprisingly - 'fuck off'
whaack: BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ooUIP/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: "the public" isn't happening anymore. democracy (as the modernist nonsense) is gone.
asciilifeform: a backdoor ain't burned unless publicly.
asciilifeform: sorta the 1 remaining use of public.
mircea_popescu: really ? because i've personally burned assholes in private. worked fine.
asciilifeform: i met folx who were napoleon in private. worked great... ( for them )
mircea_popescu: suppose for the sake of theory i get the factors to your current key ; and then i send an encyclical to the rest of the wot saying -- alf's key factors, here.
mircea_popescu: burned ? yes. private ? yes. qed ?
asciilifeform: 'what 3 know, the sow knows'
asciilifeform: so no, not private.
mircea_popescu: but the sow would never know.
asciilifeform: and where is the guarantee of this
trinque: same place sina's guarantees are
mircea_popescu: the point here was that ~it was never released to the public~, not that brigher bulbs in the peanut gallery couldn'\t conceivably get hold of.
asciilifeform: lessay this had happened 2y ago. kako would be one of the recipients. and 6mo later, the sow -- would know.
mircea_popescu: or not.
asciilifeform: if you have an 'or', then 'not private'
mircea_popescu: again -- the point is the process not the final state. it was not ~RELEASED TO PUBLIC~. what x y or z found out -- their ~personal~ rather than public problem./
asciilifeform screws in fresh gas mask filter
asciilifeform: aite, process.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if amd fritz chip uses bad crypto and we derive the key, has amd thereby "Released to the public" ? no such thing happened.
asciilifeform: sure is
asciilifeform: phuctor is a public www
asciilifeform: ( whether reddit bothers to read it, is immaterial )
mircea_popescu: by our, not amd's decision.
mircea_popescu: so no, amd hasn't released.
asciilifeform: well yes
trinque: "the public" is an ourdemocracy construct, does not mean "outside" or w/e
mircea_popescu: these distinctions are as important as an yother distinctions in thought.
asciilifeform: naturally it ain't the victim's decision, when his key is phuctored
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: trinque: the material posted on phuctor is public in any reasonable sense
mircea_popescu: the problem with pantsuit notions is that they admit no reasonable sense
mircea_popescu: which is why they have to "educate" the black chix so they get out of the netflix reservation
mircea_popescu: "public access"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3D5B6CEF7C0D4F0C6A1B6DBC8B066E8126C3549DC7105A9499D53CDC4A4174C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...8123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '131.111.222.232 (ssh-rsa key from 131.111.222.232 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mulberry.newhall.cam.ac.uk. GB CAM ENG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3D5B6CEF7C0D4F0C6A1B6DBC8B066E8126C3549DC7105A9499D53CDC4A4174C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...1703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '131.111.222.232 (ssh-rsa key from 131.111.222.232 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mulberry.newhall.cam.ac.uk. GB CAM ENG)
trinque: asciilifeform: the original claim was there is no longer a "the public"
shinohai: phuctor agrees
asciilifeform: oh this is luvvly:
asciilifeform: 'Murray Edwards is a Cambridge College for women. With so much gender inequality still in the world there is a role for a College able to focus on outstanding young women, their learning and skills for life.'
trinque: or tell me, is the public chiming in re: phuctor? doesn't seem like such a thing cares, if it exists
asciilifeform: 'Murray Edwards College combines real academic excellence with strong pastoral support, as well as being a place where you can feel at home.'
asciilifeform: 'Male-dominated workplace culture alienates talented women'
mircea_popescu: was there any proof of this ever offered btw ? or is it more "global warming" bull ?
asciilifeform: lolproof
mircea_popescu: becauyse in my experience male-dominated workplacfes are the only places talented women express.
mircea_popescu: which is why no more noethers.
mircea_popescu: or adas. or etc.
mircea_popescu: curie happened as the domestic slave of a male ; not as an "equal partner" in a lesbo partnership.
mircea_popescu: and for all the pretense, jorjes sand idem.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: not to go into krupskaya and what have you, topless with ak chickdom.
mircea_popescu: !#s manuela pedraza
a111: 0 results for "manuela pedraza", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=manuela%20pedraza
mircea_popescu: a that's unfortunate. woman went into mountain, watcher her 6 kids starve to deaths.
asciilifeform: daffadil [ab42d109@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.171.66.209.9] has joined << the sheer audacity
mircea_popescu: lmao
trinque: !!v 0A12492FF347C542AF1F6ED29181B4EB700967B92D9ADCBBBDAC92049109ABBC
deedbot: trinque rated daffadil -1 << why do I smell california
mircea_popescu: sucks to be a teen these days.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686774 << that's juana azurduy. pedraza is the other one.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 17:43 mircea_popescu: a that's unfortunate. woman went into mountain, watcher her 6 kids starve to deaths.
mircea_popescu: oh ?
mircea_popescu: damn, right you are.
mircea_popescu: poor woman, first they took their children, now they take her story...
hanbot: haunt incoming!
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 16:35 asciilifeform: i only know him as a steady source of disconnectolade rubbish
trinque: they take feminizing drugs and sit on their balls all day hunched over.
trinque: there's going to be no fixing the generation that took psych meds throughout puberty
floog: can confirm, my peers are fucked
asciilifeform: trinque: optimistic. the no-space 'civilized life' creates the bonsaikittens. whatever meds are simply to reduce thrashing.
trinque: more thrashing would've meant beating idiots back and taking over space.
trinque: "sit and behave" drugs are the worst kind of protestant mother.
asciilifeform: trinque: mno. moar space requires http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684456 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 18:18 mircea_popescu: war makes the only thing peace never can, that is -- empty space. the value of empty space varies, from negative after a war to infinite during socialism.
trinque: how do you disconnect "reduce thrashing" and "prevent war" in your mind?
asciilifeform: world wars may be staffed by surplus teenagers, but not organized by them.
asciilifeform: recall the chicken farm ? where they saw off the beaks
trinque: I thought hitler's young ass-beaters had something to do with kicking off one.
asciilifeform: the effect of letting the chickens keep the beaks, is not 'chicken liberation', but simply damaged meat
trinque: suppose they were instead on zoloft, in bedroom, trying to get some cum to leak out of their ineffectual dicks
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: dope ain't new. goring had his morphine and equally ineffectual cock
asciilifeform: for some reason modern-day lizards prefer that surplus people slowly goring themselves, rather than cleanly blowing one another with mortar and cannon
asciilifeform: but root is the same -- surplus people.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686786 << this is a very interesting point, and it is possible to go to a meatspace gathering of these types, and see this with own eyes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:12 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.
asciilifeform: ( see also, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499608 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:51 mircea_popescu: but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686786 ah waht a concept. so basically, barbarian lacks indoor voice ; and pantsuit lacks forum voice.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:12 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686562 << i keep running into this issue myself and half the time it ends up being actual code comparisons to identify wtf is what.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:52 ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/coinbase-to-go-on-trading-vacation-with-your-coins-over-altcoin-fork-hysteria/ << Qntra - Coinbase To Go On Trading Vacation With "Your" Coins Over Altcoin Fork Hysteria
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it seems to be that adacore's gnat actually implements the standard; while fsf is a bit moth-eaten
asciilifeform: *fsf's
mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
asciilifeform: this also.
mircea_popescu: and scandalously inept shit like "this version of x is part of shitsuite y version k".
mircea_popescu: passing by reference. a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686564 << word.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:53 ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
asciilifeform: by reference to hallucinations -- certainly
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686568 << at this point you might even consider publishing the item as a v root under your own signature.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:54 ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
BingoBoingo: <trinque> there's going to be no fixing the generation that took psych meds throughout puberty << plenty of possible fixing. Back to 'spec' likely never. Into something possibly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686596 << ahahaha you got this to take ?!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:09 ave1: I like to default it to building static files binaries
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that part not new, my makefile builds statically
asciilifeform: ( with whatever libc is present )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686599 << right! this "hardcoded paths/names/symbols in makefile because FUCK EVERYTHING!!!" goes just fine with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686817☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:11 ave1: yes, but mainly because the gnat makefiles hardcode the gnattool names at different places
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:46 mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
asciilifeform: though, i will point out, not on crapple, where static linking is thoroughly impossible as of late
mircea_popescu: possibly the #1 and #2 spots of dumb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah do9es it ? for some reason i thought we were still chasing it.
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: so there's a musl ada ?
asciilifeform: ( you can't dns from a statically linked glibc. but this does not bother me )
mircea_popescu: that is a golden fucking feature.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is, ave1 linked to a recipe.
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform: i was fully expecting to have to do the whole thing from empty space myself
asciilifeform: so pleasant surprise, if it worx.
mircea_popescu: !!rated ave1
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated ave1 1 at 2017/05/18 13:08:19 << slow square!
mircea_popescu: !!rate ave1 2 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686605☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:21 ave1: of clean gcc 4.9.4 from FSF to a gcc 4.9.4 that build with musl + gnat
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Z4Kkm/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ( fwiw ada makes it reasonably possible to avoid needing ANY libc. but this is for laters. )
mircea_popescu: no this is actually splendid surprise.
mircea_popescu: !!v E06416D79B3939AAC91D5A1B7AAE084754001E6088E5F57F414C7E84D67C4B33
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of ave1 from 1 to 2 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686605
asciilifeform: all it really wants libc for is memcpy() etc. and i/o. total of maybe 6 functions. they really ought to be a separate asm thing, linked optionally and separately.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686616 << some pants getting shat.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gavinlandia, https://archive.is/KOhTm >> 'Resolution is to either guarantee there are non-bit1 signaling miners before enforcing (kind of incompatible with the definition of 80% activation), or manually guarantee the the graph of enforcing miners is connected.' << d00d realizes that the softshitfork thing won't work without cartel... proceeds to demand one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much so yes.
mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
asciilifeform: i have 'p' structured such that all it wants i/o-wise is a 'getbyte' and 'putbyte' that operator can replace with whatever
asciilifeform: this is mainly to build later for microcontroller that just has uart, no file system
asciilifeform: but also has effect of making dispensing with libc a reasonably easy proposition
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: correctness builds upon itself.
asciilifeform: sure does.
mircea_popescu: i sure as fuck would prefer the situation where i have to change half dozen asm quarter-pages to go from x86 to whatever than the current shitwolrd offering.
mircea_popescu: because yes, once http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686858 is done "portability" becomes a very different item than the beast it is today.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:59 mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
asciilifeform: well, e.g., ffa, is 100% portable in the sense where it will build on ANY standards-compliant ada
asciilifeform: 0 arch-specific anything, in it.
asciilifeform: doesn't even care how wide your machineword is
asciilifeform: or what endian.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: this is the fuckinbg point already.
asciilifeform: ( nao not everyone, turns out, has a standard ada. but this is fixable. )
mircea_popescu: no more hardcoded inept bullshit, magic numbers, inept passing by reference etcetera.
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mircea_popescu: and this is not limited to cpus. it is re evertything. "either your videocard can be asm'd into utility or else it is not actually a video card" "but it works in windows!" "so does your mother."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686799 << the proposition is problematic. hitler was, for all intents and purposes, a farm chicken with beak sawed off.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:26 trinque: I thought hitler's young ass-beaters had something to do with kicking off one.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in office blowjobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e5223667a01975480f49b0dd9e80045a/tumblr_nvo22rTOiZ1uncfngo1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: ty whaack
BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski How is Blackzilla treating you? Is motor adequately cooled to handle a tortuous Canadian July?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: o right, cuz it gets hot in the rest of the world.
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, https://archive.is/uHp7H >> 'Someone stole ~$32M (~153k ether) from three multisig wallets.'
trinque drives a black gas guzzling 8cyl truck through 100 degree heat, working on that megawatt
mod6: ROLL IT BACK!
ben_vulpes: reputation of usg.polizei continues to decline, no longer safe to even approach cops once you've called for help: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/us/minneapolis-australian-woman-killed-by-police/index.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, mostly curious how fender flags are going to stick to that thing.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Best part, the cop is a somali
BingoBoingo: Mohamed Noor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the most amusing part is how they keep adding the official fiat value to the shit, as if.
mircea_popescu: "someone stole a dumpster ($32M) from my driveway"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: par of ye olde tradition where crapple stock is 'worth' the moon etc, neh
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: ethereum could buy bitcoin!
shinohai: "Mohamed Moor"
mircea_popescu: washington post could elect pantsuited hilarity president
mircea_popescu: and so on!
mircea_popescu: shinohai bwahaha
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2264.33, vol: 17719.90007047 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2239.955, vol: 7531.19887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2253.9, vol: 38469.84629269 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2335.58143, vol: 16373.42780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2266.773, vol: 10869.9039012 | Volume-weighted last average: 2271.01803041
asciilifeform: somebody's trying to beat the disconnectolade record, or wut.
shinohai: ^
asciilifeform finally found the pertinent trilema re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686793 >> '..."feminists" are merely trying to dissolve subjective blocks to regendering, so it's easier for more people to faster embrace what's socially required of them. Seeing how once you've decided to go to the dentist it's really very bad form to pick fights with the anesthesiologist, what exactly do you have against them ? Jus' doin' their job.'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:22 trinque: "sit and behave" drugs are the worst kind of protestant mother.
asciilifeform: ( http://trilema.com/2016/the-labyrinth-of-gender/#selection-119.72-119.412 )
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: in other olds, filed under ucilogy, http://samy.pl/pwnat
asciilifeform somehow missed this when it appeared
mircea_popescu: ah, masquerade as tracert
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: samy really should be here.
asciilifeform: invite'im?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/8bnEI
shinohai: My God that thread is a lulzfest of begging redditards
mod6: omg send me ur scamcoinz for lambos and blunts!
asciilifeform: trabambos
mod6: scambos
mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, but the ENTIRE experience of wealth ustard enjoys is exactly this and nothing else. from the kid begging his parents for a lambo truck / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY all the way up to the fiat captains of industry, stuck between being "too big to fail" and being FED-fed anyway.
mircea_popescu: soon enough it's http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-16#-121196 and then it's "rich people don't learn languages" and on it goes from there.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-02-16 14:17 Diablo-D3: people who are that rich dont hang out on IRC
shinohai: The point of being rich is doing whatever the fuck you want, be it irc or cursing whores in Latin
mircea_popescu: no, you gotta get a credit card to buy more cars with.
mircea_popescu: and in vintage trilemas i give you... the BEATTIE! http://trilema.com/2012/shampoo/#selection-57.620-57.938
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686927 << ustard's conception of wealth is precisely 'neverending creditcard' -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631922☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: no, you gotta get a credit card to buy more cars with.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
mircea_popescu: "corporate account"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680305 << by the way the first three issues of mondo are on archive.org https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.01.1989, https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.02.1990 and https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.03.1991☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
phf: it's fun to look at the early valley culture artifacts. if nothing else this shit was still edgy compared to what it eventually turned into
mircea_popescu: word.
phf: articles by robert anton wilson, timophy leary interviews william gibson, psychic tv talking about rave culture
phf: also vaguely related, a comic about "cyber-" culture, and the early (i.e. pre-mondo) valley excitement. i found it to be highly entertaining when viewed through the tmsr prism. http://www.electricsheepcomix.com/almostguy/
mircea_popescu: i recall electricsheep
ben_vulpes: this looks extremely familiar
ben_vulpes: ahah this yeah
shinohai: !!v 3DC8C7A2D11E890D1A92E997B499D3AECD28849433351C3EE1F7EA894D2FB0FC
deedbot: shinohai rated ave1 1 << Helpful Ada advice http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686592
mod6: evenin'