mircea_popescu: funny that antiseptic masculinity should be deemed toxic by the very bugs it is there to exterminate.
mircea_popescu: i could have not predicted this entirely surprising turn of events.
mircea_popescu: should have listend when toupac told us all to get credit cards.
sina: asciilifeform: if you are about I have a question for the resident expert on constanttime stuff
sina: hi shinohai! nb, and you?
sina: asciilifeform: basically I am wondering about the "threat model" of constanttime sidechannel stuffs. for example, let's say I want to write you an email with RSA encrypted body, or receive same from you, is there really a sidechannel there? I guess I'm asking in terms of async vs sync encrypted comms
mircea_popescu: sina you mean, is there a side channel for constant time ops ? or for rsa as commonly implemented atm ?
sina: as commonly implemented
sina: I mean, I get that there are timing attacks you could perform if there was a synchronous stream of traffic happening
sina: but if I write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived?
sina: can you give me an example situation mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: actual key recovery via acousting channel has been demonstrated recently ; power lines both in draw and as antenna have long been known to leak key bits.
mircea_popescu: sina example situation, you decrypt your message in a room with an ipad, lose the key.
sina: I lose the key because an adversary is nearby watching all my EMR?
mircea_popescu: because the processor clicks slightly as it works ; and if you fork on secret bits you are thereby giving the secret bits away.
sina: giving them away to whom? certainly not to a passive network adversary...right?
sina: "to listen" ...to...EMR...right?
mircea_popescu: it is perfectly conceivable that by following eg your delay in response to pings on a network-routable box while a decryption is in progress, at least part of the key material can be derived.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:45 asciilifeform: EVERYONE eventually asks this
mircea_popescu: sina doesn't have to be "emr". it can be the resonant behaviour of your power lines or the acoustic polution in the room or ping delays or anything else.
mircea_popescu: cache hits to reference the recent rowhammer lulz, you name it.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:47 sina: any actual practical example of making it spill out of the time box? lets say two independent processes, one is preparing the payloads and putting them in an "outbox"
sina: asciilifeform: if you would consider this question as a continuation of that thread rather than repeat, I'd appreciate
sina: however I would note that at the end of that thread it was still unclear to me how the final model I proposed was unsafe in any case
sina: right, I know the thing of synchronizing bullets with the propellor spins
sina: I guess I should rephrase my question
sina: what I'm trying to understand, is which adversaries can mount a timing attack, and which cannot, given async comms
trinque: .. just gotta get the thing to leak your sleep timing too
sina: asciilifeform: so what software do you currently use for RSA encryption
sina: my understandinf of your POV is that there is currently no adequate constanttime impl
sina: right. so you use it, despite it being as "awlish" as anything?
trinque: there is even a historic copy of grandfather's pistol in deedbot
sina: which is fine, and I guess my point, because you must understand there is some adversary which can read your keys and some which cannot and you as of current, accept the risk
trinque: sina: what are you driving at?
trinque: rubber stamp of your own use of gpg?
sina: just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes
sina: for the purpose of proper understanding
sina: e.g. asciilifeform uses gpg, even though he knows some adversary might read his key via timing attack, because the list of adversary which can do so, he has discounted
sina: again, it's understood
sina: asciilifeform: "you cannot conceal an awl inside a sack" understood and accepted
trinque: that you are on a field being mortared does not mean you've discounted the enemy
trinque: just that you're there, so might get hit.
sina: given that. what are the practicalities, today, on the ground
☟︎ trinque: might think of moving, while you're still alive
sina: trinque: to extend your analogy. you are on a field, in a crater. you are ~impervious to horizontal machine gun attack thanks to the crater, but vulnerable to mortar attack
trinque: there's this reaction to the NSA mindrape that ought to be pointed at directly. and more broadly the socialist mindrape.
trinque: "yes things are that bad. have a great day!"
sina: trinque: my question being, given a sina sitting in the crater, what is the list of things ~impervious to, what is the list of things not
trinque: sina: you do not and likely will not know the manifold ways modern computing has been perforated for imperial tyranny
sina: none of us do, and yet, tmsr uses "18th century hygeine" anyway. I am assuming because of considered evaluation of possible threats and their outcome
sina: at least until 21st century hygeine comes along
sina: only seeking of complete understanding
sina: given observation of behaviours
sina: feel free to say "it's a dumb question, go away"
☟︎ sina: I ask here, because I feel here can give a useful answer
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 asciilifeform: sina: the practicalities are - that every time you unholster your gpg key, you broadcast a few bits of it.
sina: trinque: given the quoted statement, what are the implications? for example, does it imply that a passive network adversary will not be in a position to mount a timing attack? or does it so?
sina: can I safely state, if I want to email trinque RSA encrypted cake recipe, that asciilifeform can never read it?
sina: or to ask alternatively, broadcast to whom?
sina: anyone who can ping my box? anyone in the world?
trinque: to the antenna in your CPU! lets go full tinfoil.
trinque: !#s enumeration of badness
sina: and yet, here we all are, encrypting, decrypting, signing ascii with some RSA stuff all the time, in spite of that
trinque: sina: be brave and actually state what made you say that.
sina: it's not an argument, only the next thought that pops into my head as a consequence of the discussion. all here seem on the same page re constanttime stuff, yet all here are using the tool in spite of that, so there must be some thought process which allows someone as reasonably paranoid as asciilifeform to do so, i.e. "I am not concerned with timing attacks of class X, Y, Z from adversary A, B,C when I
sina: want to send my encrypted cake recipe to trinque"
trinque: if standing on hot coals, I bet you'd run even though you'd only step on more coals, at least for a while.
trinque: and meanwhile only sensible strategy would be to move quickly / step as few times as possible til off
sina: otherwise asciilifeform would surely say "what is the point of encrypting, I am broadcasting my key to all, every time"
sina: does my line of thought really make so little sense?
☟︎ sina: again to reiterate I seek only understanding, not to make a point or argument
trinque: sina: never been in a situation where you both had to act and there were no good options?
sina: trinque: of course! and I ask, is there no value in understanding the consequences of a given act?
sina: it seems the answer so far given is only "the consequence is always the worst, given this particular act"
sina: but that is not congruent with actions taken, otherwise all here would treat their keys as compromised?
sina: whereas I am asking, what is the gradient of consequence, given differing scenarios and adversaries
trinque: how would you measure whether they are or not, other than acting in the world and seeing if you fail?
trinque: and meanwhile refining methods seems sensible
sina: trinque: does the general commit his troops to an action and see if he fails? or try and understand the enemy movement and tactics, to say "ok, crossing the bridge with enemy awaiting on farside, bad idea" without needing to act on it
sina: and so it is, "do not encrypt 500 cake recipes a second"
trinque: absent asciilifeform's expertise which gave ^ as output, one'd just turn that into a totem
trinque: and it wasn't a specific example
trinque: sorta like these guys that come through asking what to do with their raspberry pi wallet or w/e, life savings in dogecoin
sina: alright. please let me attempt to summarise the discussion thus far, and correct any misconceptions
sina: "today, until a constanttime solution is in place, gpg is the tool of choice for RSA encryption. any time you use it, you can't know whether you have completely compromised your private key. and we use it anyway."
mircea_popescu: sina> just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes << anyone who can listen in (ie, intercept acoustic band) within a mile or so of your machine, can derive your key that way. anyone who can measure your power draw (say, up to the pole) can derive your key that way. anyone who can route to your box, and measure delays, can idem.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you're running the "awl" there are no solutions for this -- just mitigations. do not permit micrphones ; do not permit antennas ; use inductor&battery arrangements ; shoot anyone seen approaching the solitary hilltop fortress and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: the costs of mitigation ever mount, which is why a proper solution is even contemplated.
sina: mircea_popescu: if that is a complete list, then I am content with a useful answer.
sina: then I am reasonably content :P
sina: asciilifeform, trinque, no misconceptions in my summary?
sina: trinque: to clarify, contentment in understanding, not of the status quo
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 sina: given that. what are the practicalities, today, on the ground
mircea_popescu: otherwise, in order of cheapness-effectivity : 1) get an isolated box for rsa ops. this shouldn't ever connect ot the internet. stuffing into it a stick which was in a net-connected machine counts.
mircea_popescu: 2) get a proper power supply. this means -- that the power line should feed a battery, not your machine. you can measure leakage if you will, so this can be tweaked by hand to an arbitrary level.
mircea_popescu: 3) get a n-p detector, armed guards, your own spying machinery, declare interdiction zones, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: 4) infiltrate all conceivable enemies with your own agents
sina: mircea_popescu: only as a matter of curiosity, given your worth re above statement, do you take any of these actions?
mircea_popescu: somewhere between 1 and 3 most people have enough bellyache. because, really, it's never fucking worth it to 5.
mircea_popescu: sina yes. i actually infiltrate all conceivable enemies.
sina: some actor playing the character of "Vizzini" in "The Princess Bride"
sina: also a famous internet meme
mircea_popescu: i get that part, but what does it aim to, what's the tendency ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 19:52 mircea_popescu: romania incidentally has a long history of just this, it's called fanarioti period. hundreds of groups over 3-4 centuries did just this, kept taking over because pissed off with insolence of ex crown. discovered worse deal to be king.
sina: oh. so in the movie Vizzini is the supersmart villain trying to kidnap this lady, and the good guy Dread Pirate Roberts keeps chasing him despite various obstacles Vizzini has created
sina: whenever DPR does a thing, Vizzini is forced to say "Inconceivable"
sina: that is the one, although the book from which it derived is equally enjoyable
sina: actually this quote seems like 100% mircea_popescu
sina: "You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses while your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... "
sina: I mean I can picture reading it in the logs
a111: Logged on 2015-12-28 01:23 mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
sina: seek and ye shall find
mircea_popescu: not that i fault penny-an-hour hack/writer for not being able to reproduce reality in his fancy.
sina: mircea_popescu: and yet it is so, the logs are the only place I can imagine such a sentence being discussed today
hanbot: lol this poor guy's been trying to have a chuckle the last 20 mins...NOT ALLOWED!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:47 sina: feel free to say "it's a dumb question, go away"
sina: anyhooz. patience from the usual suspects on RSA discussion greatly appreciated. must be off, have wonderful days all.
mircea_popescu: the theory is that there's no "best practices", and deliberately. i'm pretty sure the practice follows the theory, but we'll definitely never know.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686438 <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:58 sina: does my line of thought really make so little sense?
mircea_popescu: and once there... well... there'll be more stepping on more coals to get away.
lobbes: in other questions: Prompted by up-stack threads and after much log reading I've concluded that a SSD is a must for trb-ing. Would an external usb SSD be adequate, versus, say a SATA connection?
lobbes: damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron.
lobbes: I'll learn shit in the process, at least.
mod6: never hurts, get the kinks out early
BingoBoingo: <sina> whenever DPR does a thing, Vizzini is forced to say "Inconceivable" << Except irl, mircea_popescu is not short and DPR sits in sodomy box while mircea_popescu's muscle has titties
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD?
mircea_popescu: a sentiment i can sympathize with -- no better way to ruin the day of cleanfreak chick than making her open up her years-old laptop.
mircea_popescu: well certainly people who don't know they come apart don't regularly anything.
mircea_popescu: "i'm not only a virgin, but i never laid a hand on my slit" comes with a smegma guarantee.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, innocence and drunkedness are, in that order, the superlative degrees of unhygienicity.
BingoBoingo: Well, this is the story of how the puritains ruined America. "It dun work" "Have you tried cleaning it?" "STFU Imma not touch the filth" ... Disposable everythings
BingoBoingo has met people who after touching granular pesticide barehanded tried to insist "hand sanitizer" was sufficient cleaning.
BingoBoingo wonders how reactive a hand santizer would have to be to reliably convert most organic compounds to "safe" forms. Likely would look like a hand solving vat of H2SO4 + H2O2
BingoBoingo: Product nothing seriously toxic, just permetherins and fuller's earth but still.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD? << wtf I didn't even consider this. And yeah, this'll be a great opportunity to clean out the physical crap that's probably choking out the airflow in the thing.
ave1: mod6, asciilifeform: I've been playing with GNAT versions and the fact code
ave1: Turns out the version of gnat in gcc 4.9.* is based on GNAT GPL 2014 (from adacore)
ave1: (also in gcc 5.*, I've not looked in the 6.* range)
ave1: It seems that version has problems with inlined functions containing inlined functions
ave1: (like the Mul functions...)
shinohai: ave1 .... I got the same error as you (Have not looked into it further yet though)
ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
☟︎ ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
☟︎ ave1: (and GPL 2014 and gcc 4.9.4 are the same)
ave1: I can build a gnat using the sources from adacore and all is fine
ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
☟︎ ave1: asciilifeform, how did you get your 4.9 version (I see two version in gentoo) ?
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
ave1: p.s. I want to throw it out, but I like to have a version that cross compiles to ppc64le
ave1: and gcc 4.9.4 does so, but the adacore code has problems
ave1: ok, I will do some more banging against the wall on this
shinohai: ave1: Can you link me to the adacore sources that worked for you?
ave1: select GPL-2015 (or 2016)
ave1: download gcc-4.9-gpl, gnat-gpl-2016, gcc-interface- files (so 3 files)
ave1: copy gnat-gpl-*/src/ad to gcc-4.9-*/gcc/ (so you get an ada dir under gcc)
ave1: copy gcc-interface-* to gcc-4.9-*/gcc/ada/gcc-interface (so rename of dir)
ave1: then you have a gcc you can build
ave1: p.s. the portage ebuild does exactly this (plus some gentoo patching)
ave1: p.s I already have a musl build for x86_64 (based on musl_cross) (works on adacore stuff and gcc-4.9.4), but is needs some more work
ave1: I like to default it to building static files binaries
☟︎ ave1: yes, but mainly because the gnat makefiles hardcode the gnattool names at different places
☟︎ ave1: one moment, I will look for the diff
ave1: ok, this is the diff (also contains musl diffs from musl_cross)
ave1: of clean gcc 4.9.4 from FSF to a gcc 4.9.4 that build with musl + gnat
☟︎ ave1: if you get musl_cross, and replace the gcc-4.9.4-musl.diff therein with this one
ave1: plus add ada to the languages to build
ave1: will do, I will probably create version of musl_cross that does all this
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ave1 1 at 2017/05/18 13:13:06 << ada lurker
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of ave1 from 1 to 3 << gnatronicist
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
daffadil: This might be interesting to some: "DNA based Random Key Generation and Management for OTP Encryption"
mircea_popescu: did you read the "whores moaning in orgasmic agony source of rng" thread ?
daffadil: Not necessarily generating privkey from your own DNA.
daffadil: Ya I didn't understand all details but I read it.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 14:59 asciilifeform: 'Identity-based encryption is a type of public-key encryption in which any arbitrary string (such as a user’s email address) can be used as a public key, enabling data to be protected without the need for long, randomly generated keys or certificates. Today, there are numerous standards for IBE based on Boneh’s work, including IEEE P1363.3 and several IETF RFCs.' << from the press release.
mircea_popescu: even in the particular that literacy is reserved for a precious few.
mircea_popescu: hey, they keep working to convince idiots someone somewhere would actually WANT to drink carbonic acid solution with 5k brix.
daffadil: Haha yes. As the paper currently presents, the system is not built for privacy, especially if it uses publicly-indexed databases. However I thought that the idea of using mutational randomness as a physical process to generate private keys was interesting.
mircea_popescu: !!v 9422E13A8FEEF58FB0B30F04A86F39EE53EEC0B80B2271EB6B5B38E61757D500
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of daffadil from 1 to -1 << lies conversationally.
trinque: d'oh, in-group signaling fail for poar daffadil
mircea_popescu: in any event, the pretense of hey, we're just talking hurr isn't going to take one far here. if that wasn't obvious.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, considering how many brits zee germans shot for that...
mircea_popescu: was there an actual german spy shot in britain at any point ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny how repeating this pattern is : whosoever is on the receiving end of the cock, whatever the cock may be, doesn't really want porn around.
mircea_popescu: zee germans, getting it in every hole from teh brits, didn't really do much in the way of "shot british spy" photo ops.
mircea_popescu: the brits however, losing more men to spying than to trenchlines in some days, nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: somehow if you go "the collegiate dorm is not built for modesty" they, the very same they, go in an uproar.
mircea_popescu: "the land is not built for equality", how about that one ?
mircea_popescu: gotta have all female values, an' selective privacy is teh foremost on the list.
mircea_popescu: but hey, fair is fair -- everyone gets what he says he wants and then gets to wash his head with it.
mircea_popescu: that was, since i was a wee tyke, the one fascinating, ceaselessly fascinating aspect of the world : that for all teh chagrin and professed despair and broken dreams hopes and aspirations etcetera
mircea_popescu: everyone, at any point, without exception got EXACTLY what they asked for.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empire wants headcount, (because it sold itself on the lie of equality). gets headcount. except...
mircea_popescu: daffadil wants to participate, but does so in the manner of asking for it, and gets it.
mircea_popescu: you can't actually find a case where anyone has any legitimate complaint against the world. hasn't, yet, happened.
mircea_popescu: to answer your question : cunt, that still runs on perl, is the intended audience of that paper.
mircea_popescu: the organ is clearly made for reuse and she wants to profess undying attachment.
mircea_popescu: because... you've guessed it... the system was not built for any clear real-ideal bijectivity.
mircea_popescu: if not in their original bodies, then at least as emulated by pasty ass djb-wanna-bes.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 18:10 mircea_popescu: absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: just saying, "releasing it to the public" is not the way the water goes anymore.
mircea_popescu: "the public" isn't happening anymore. democracy (as the modernist nonsense) is gone.
mircea_popescu: really ? because i've personally burned assholes in private. worked fine.
mircea_popescu: suppose for the sake of theory i get the factors to your current key ; and then i send an encyclical to the rest of the wot saying -- alf's key factors, here.
trinque: same place sina's guarantees are
mircea_popescu: the point here was that ~it was never released to the public~, not that brigher bulbs in the peanut gallery couldn'\t conceivably get hold of.
mircea_popescu: again -- the point is the process not the final state. it was not ~RELEASED TO PUBLIC~. what x y or z found out -- their ~personal~ rather than public problem./
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if amd fritz chip uses bad crypto and we derive the key, has amd thereby "Released to the public" ? no such thing happened.
trinque: "the public" is an ourdemocracy construct, does not mean "outside" or w/e
mircea_popescu: these distinctions are as important as an yother distinctions in thought.
mircea_popescu: the problem with pantsuit notions is that they admit no reasonable sense
mircea_popescu: which is why they have to "educate" the black chix so they get out of the netflix reservation
trinque: asciilifeform: the original claim was there is no longer a "the public"
trinque: or tell me, is the public chiming in re: phuctor? doesn't seem like such a thing cares, if it exists
mircea_popescu: was there any proof of this ever offered btw ? or is it more "global warming" bull ?
mircea_popescu: becauyse in my experience male-dominated workplacfes are the only places talented women express.
mircea_popescu: curie happened as the domestic slave of a male ; not as an "equal partner" in a lesbo partnership.
mircea_popescu: not to go into krupskaya and what have you, topless with ak chickdom.
mircea_popescu: a that's unfortunate. woman went into mountain, watcher her 6 kids starve to deaths.
☟︎ trinque: !!v 0A12492FF347C542AF1F6ED29181B4EB700967B92D9ADCBBBDAC92049109ABBC
deedbot: trinque rated daffadil -1 << why do I smell california
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 17:43 mircea_popescu: a that's unfortunate. woman went into mountain, watcher her 6 kids starve to deaths.
mircea_popescu: poor woman, first they took their children, now they take her story...
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 16:35 asciilifeform: i only know him as a steady source of disconnectolade rubbish
trinque: they take feminizing drugs and sit on their balls all day hunched over.
trinque: there's going to be no fixing the generation that took psych meds throughout puberty
floog: can confirm, my peers are fucked
trinque: more thrashing would've meant beating idiots back and taking over space.
trinque: "sit and behave" drugs are the worst kind of protestant mother.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 18:18 mircea_popescu: war makes the only thing peace never can, that is -- empty space. the value of empty space varies, from negative after a war to infinite during socialism.
trinque: how do you disconnect "reduce thrashing" and "prevent war" in your mind?
trinque: I thought hitler's young ass-beaters had something to do with kicking off one.
☟︎ trinque: suppose they were instead on zoloft, in bedroom, trying to get some cum to leak out of their ineffectual dicks
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:51 mircea_popescu: but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:52 ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and scandalously inept shit like "this version of x is part of shitsuite y version k".
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:53 ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:54 ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
BingoBoingo: <trinque> there's going to be no fixing the generation that took psych meds throughout puberty << plenty of possible fixing. Back to 'spec' likely never. Into something possibly.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:09 ave1: I like to default it to building static files binaries
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:11 ave1: yes, but mainly because the gnat makefiles hardcode the gnattool names at different places
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:46 mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah do9es it ? for some reason i thought we were still chasing it.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated ave1 1 at 2017/05/18 13:08:19 << slow square!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:21 ave1: of clean gcc 4.9.4 from FSF to a gcc 4.9.4 that build with musl + gnat
mircea_popescu: !!v E06416D79B3939AAC91D5A1B7AAE084754001E6088E5F57F414C7E84D67C4B33
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gavinlandia,
https://archive.is/KOhTm >> 'Resolution is to either guarantee there are non-bit1 signaling miners before enforcing (kind of incompatible with the definition of 80% activation), or manually guarantee the the graph of enforcing miners is connected.' << d00d realizes that the softshitfork thing won't work without cartel... proceeds to demand one
mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i sure as fuck would prefer the situation where i have to change half dozen asm quarter-pages to go from x86 to whatever than the current shitwolrd offering.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:59 mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
mircea_popescu: no more hardcoded inept bullshit, magic numbers, inept passing by reference etcetera.
whaack: !!v 5B9284644A2EAB1CDFBAA75044B1B8375BE1901CFB6BB6D60B80BD8AB6A01FAC
deedbot: whaack rated BingoBoingo 1 << qntra editor, adds salt and pepper to my writing
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deedbot: whaack rated shinohai 1 << qntra writer, helped me a bit with my spanish pronunciation
mircea_popescu: and this is not limited to cpus. it is re evertything. "either your videocard can be asm'd into utility or else it is not actually a video card" "but it works in windows!" "so does your mother."
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:26 trinque: I thought hitler's young ass-beaters had something to do with kicking off one.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski How is Blackzilla treating you? Is motor adequately cooled to handle a tortuous Canadian July?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
trinque drives a black gas guzzling 8cyl truck through 100 degree heat, working on that megawatt
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, mostly curious how fender flags are going to stick to that thing.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Best part, the cop is a somali
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the most amusing part is how they keep adding the official fiat value to the shit, as if.
mircea_popescu: washington post could elect pantsuited hilarity president
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2264.33, vol: 17719.90007047 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2239.955, vol: 7531.19887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2253.9, vol: 38469.84629269 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2335.58143, vol: 16373.42780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2266.773, vol: 10869.9039012 | Volume-weighted last average: 2271.01803041
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:22 trinque: "sit and behave" drugs are the worst kind of protestant mother.
shinohai: My God that thread is a lulzfest of begging redditards
mod6: omg send me ur scamcoinz for lambos and blunts!
mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, but the ENTIRE experience of wealth ustard enjoys is exactly this and nothing else. from the kid begging his parents for a lambo truck /
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY all the way up to the fiat captains of industry, stuck between being "too big to fail" and being FED-fed anyway.
a111: Logged on 2013-02-16 14:17 Diablo-D3: people who are that rich dont hang out on IRC
shinohai: The point of being rich is doing whatever the fuck you want, be it irc or cursing whores in Latin
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: no, you gotta get a credit card to buy more cars with.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
phf: it's fun to look at the early valley culture artifacts. if nothing else this shit was still edgy compared to what it eventually turned into
phf: articles by robert anton wilson, timophy leary interviews william gibson, psychic tv talking about rave culture
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