tmsr - Log 2019-09-19

trinque: but! that means that bot is still connected in a tmux, while deedbot (same code) was stuck, doing ???

snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 33d 13h 35m

asciilifeform: ^ i'ma finally cycle that thing in coupla days, bvt's reconnector & mircea_popescu's 'plox to mark crosspostism' to swap in.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah; I've deployed now the latest bot too since I had it scheduled anyway (ie pressed to irssi_format vpatch); I synced the few lines with the raw knob; let's see how it goes from now on.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937291 << if i had to guess, it'd be "deedbot becoming sentient, trying to realise the irc bridge of march on its own".

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 21:58:02 trinque: if anybody knows what could even cause this, pls to write in.

diana_coman: trinque: I asked (at 8:18 local time, now it's 9:43) deedbot to deed something ( !!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n6vP ) but it hasn't replied with anything at all; am I doing something wrong there?

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ahaha; if I see deedbot popping up in #o too, I'll really have to wonder.

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha chrises over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?

mircea_popescu: i'll totally ennoble them, if they can sustain that ABSOLUTE MINIMUM BAR of intellectual liveliness holy shit.

deedbot: accepted: 1

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the sustain part is the one on which none has managed yet to convince me; fwiw the task is one of those I have in mind precisely to get some bright guy going.

feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/09/a-letter-from-dad-can-pushing-make-the-line-go-faster/ << The Whet -- A Letter from Dad: "Can Pushing Make the Line Go Faster?"

mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking more on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 i have to say this is by and of itself a failure mode of thought.

mircea_popescu: while it's true that in principle such a thing as the greek tragedy damnation could exist in reality (or whatever, its shitty hollywood renditions), nevertheless ~this is a point for the gods alone~. it is not a symbol representable in the mind of man ; all attempts to do so are they themselves doomed to failure.

mircea_popescu: trying to meta-smart, pseudothinking in your dumb head "if i were a literary character and these things happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriving any benefits from the circumstance you're NOT a fucking literary character.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937164 exists ~in reality~, but not in fiction ; and there's a very good reason anne's not a literary character you ever met : it's "hard" to write, meaning, writing's LIMITING.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 19:34:40 mircea_popescu: in other historic lulz : in other historic lulz : it is altogether likely that the fifteen year old anne lennard had a lesbian relationship with hortense mancini, her father's unofficial mistress and therefore the competition of barbara villiers, the official mistress.

mircea_popescu: everyone sitting on ass all day tryna write THE STORY of their life results in some very limited, sad broken wrecks of lives -- because that's the one thing about fiction : to write a story, you first and foremost and necessarily MUST CUT MOST LIFE OUT.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 15:34:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the failure in this thinking is that "smart boi wants to use his smarts in war".

mircea_popescu: it's not a good trade ; in fact it is the capital bad trade, the doom crow all the lesser black birds follow, and follow naturally.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:36:16 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~as an inflation play~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.

mircea_popescu: once you divide by 0, you'll get any other result you want ; once you buy this pantsuit idiocy of "try to guess what your life might mean in context", your life will be an endless AND DOOMED quest to rid yourself of pantsuitism.

mircea_popescu: "oh, expellas furca, recurret" hurr durr. of course it fucking reccurs, YOU BUILT IT IN THERE.

mircea_popescu: so do me a favour an' never spend your cycles sitting there trying "to figure out" what "your destiny is". it ain't anything, you're not a livresque personage. not YET. and you don't HAVE TO BE, either.

mircea_popescu: THIS, motherfucker, THIS is why wise men, such as myself, tell MORON wanna-be idiots, such as calvin, schmalvin, etceteravin to ne ultra crepidam.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937318 - quite a common one too, from what I've seen; a sort of "easy give up" I'd say.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:03:14 mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking more on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 i have to say this is by and of itself a failure mode of thought.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .

mircea_popescu: this. because they're fucking stupid, and provincial, and beyond moronic, and their "hepry-derp o looksy, works for me, i have now invented excelreligion!!!! ALL HAIL MY GREATNESS EXCEPT SOME MANIFESTLY BETTER PEOPLE WHO ARE JEALOUS!!!!ELEVENTY" results always and forver in fucking excel.

mircea_popescu: which nobody the fuck wants -- but most everybody is not equipped to know why the fuck not.

mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr it's ok, we'll '''fight oppression'' in the sense of the oppression of sense and reason we feel because we're stupid, and make it electoral!!! then sovereignity will never be invested, meaning nobody will be there to hang us by our ears for failing ; and besides the idiots will always vote such that nobody could tell the problem anyay! FIXED!!!"

mircea_popescu: the holy service in latin ; and when the OTHER anne, the failed anne, the spurious anne "doesn't understand how the scripture relates to her", she gets caged.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 06:24:42 mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)

mircea_popescu: she should;ve been fucking her mothers' bf other gf when she was 15 instead. then she'd have understood just fine.

deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 21:58:38 trinque: oh wait, I'm an idiot. there's the test bot still connected from same box...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 23:59:43 asciilifeform: ^ i'ma finally cycle that thing in coupla days, bvt's reconnector & mircea_popescu's 'plox to mark crosspostism' to swap in.

mircea_popescu: dat elliott, such perfect all-esltards. he's truly the universal model of everyone.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt

mircea_popescu is hoping we've got all this pretty well ironed out by now, seeing how this threatens to become exponential over time.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it's still those darned lines from *before the bot*, arrrgh; and there is no such thing as "irssi format", no matter how I look at it.

diana_coman: but myeah, I ended up knowing way more than I ever wanted to about the multiple irssi formats, ugh.

feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/19/tedious-takeover-regulatory-style/ << Ossa Sepia -- Tedious Takeover, Regulatory Style

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937350 << kk. I'll do the log feeding later tonight once forums quiet down.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-19 09:42:40 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305 << afaik classical irc doesn't bridge 'b/w chans' but b/w networks. ( or is the idea to bake a #t on another net and echo what is said there, via bot ? )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:23:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha chrises over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:47:32 mircea_popescu: trying to meta-smart, pseudothinking in your dumb head "if i were a literary character and these things happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriving any benefits from the circumstance you're NOT a fucking literary char

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937347 << that's the piece i dun have of yet. ( and imho oughta be implemented after the no-dates-url thing is properly solved. otherwise will have to be 100% rebaked when it is. )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:04:50 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937297 << also the up/down links for references nor toosoon ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:26:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'delete from loglines where chan = 'ossasepia' and idx < 1000000;' and then eaten your deeded dump. ate w/out eggog. plox to lemme know if see barf.

asciilifeform: ( lobbes : dun fughet to 1) verify and then 2) strip out the pgpisms in this dump , when eating )

asciilifeform: meanwhile in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937255 -- apparently phf still tuned in , and fixed when i asked. but really we oughta settle the url thing imho, so can finally import era1 .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 13:33:17 asciilifeform: meanwhile, phf's site appears to have fallen down. i.e. only access to era1 l0gz is nao by hand.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:14:00 asciilifeform: trinque: basic desired scheme is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931395

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: I spotchecked for each of the days, so far no barf; the sad experience indicates that it's mostly a matter of actually re-reading ~all of it to spot anything but at least shrysr will help there since he anyway has to re-read.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty. (and yes this is a thing that students can do. maybe with help of whip.)

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/israeli-elections-bibi-appears-beat/ << Qntra -- Israeli Elections: Bibi Appears Beat

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937369 << don't start with this, you were there when it was specced, you were all like "oh, this is clearly the right move", what 101 "unclarities" are these six months later.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 11:11:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305 << afaik classical irc doesn't bridge 'b/w chans' but b/w networks. ( or is the idea to bake a #t on another net and echo what is said there, via bot ? )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 11:12:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code' read like diff item. but if actually refers to 'bridge nets', then aite

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937386 << well, it's only been two weeks, can't say much has sedimented meanwhile.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 12:14:24 asciilifeform: for reference : the orig. urlism thread . ( last paused at mircea_popescu's 'let's think some moar' )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, elementarily, because it'll have to connect to another network. but no, it's not significant. it's just against retarded assumptions of "there is the limit and this is the inside we sit in" typical of boy-geniuses,.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's 0 fleanode-specific logic in the current bot. if connecting to diff net, then it goes in place of fleanode in 'servers = .... ' in config .

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/argentina-continues-pre-election-collapse-under-now-kirchnerist-macri/ << Qntra -- Argentina Continues Pre-Election Collapse Under Now Kirchnerist Macri

BingoBoingo: Wat do? Take out more development loans to burn on feeding the Buenos Aires hungry mouths warehouse? That's run its course. All they have left to try is Africa style "feed a child for a dollar a day" infomercials on late night tv.

asciilifeform has been doing decidedly 'unsexy' chores -- testing rk's , and making lotsa small holes in aluminum...

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The irony is they don't think the Peruanas, Venezolanas, or Paraguayas actually doing work in their occupied territory are people.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She's finally got the rest of the surviving family ready to evacuate sometime in late November.

asciilifeform: imho you gotta try an' strip those valence electrons, BingoBoingo , an' make that boron trifluoride. that was a++ grade chix.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing about diasporas is they seem to throw their best the furthest distance from the zone being escaped.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Chinese and Polish Ancestry. Venezuela is a country of immigrants, which is a large part of their political dilemma. The native and African Venezolanos love Maduro and Chavismo. The EuroVenezolanos and Asians hate Maduro and Chavismo.

asciilifeform never fully grasped what is 'chavismo', other than a vague 'say no to colonization by washington' thrust

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a sort of "Whitey has, we have less but want more" movement which Maduro inherited as a sort of clumsy Stalin.