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punkman: "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd
pete_dushenski: what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ?
kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
☟︎ pete_dushenski: the only thing better than being first is being the last.
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ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:32; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
☟︎ punkman: ben_vulpes: if you want to press a minimal version of a patch, you can recursively find all antecedents of a HEAD patch
ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head
ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
punkman: imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3.
ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation
kakobrekla: <pete_dushenski> what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ? < not big enough
ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing
ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman
ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost
punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.
trinque: seems reasonable to want both in that case.
ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
adlai: you'll just have to read it for yourself, i guess, because i'm not about to sign a single cons of it until i redo that myself :P
ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?
adlai: it's a giant heap of shit, that yes, i shoveled/pooped/nurtured, in a past life
adlai: it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode
adlai: i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please
ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?
adlai: yeah a couple programmer-years according to sloccount iirc
adlai slaps the bot on the ass with a large trout
adlai: dude wtf pixels it's exactly one column of termspace
adlai: ;;rate ben_vulpes -9000 pixel pusher
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adlai: !rate gribble -1 rude af
assbot: gribble is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?
adlai: ben_vulpes: so whot got you back to sheeple anywaays,googling for toposort impls?
adlai: at least add site:stackoverflow
adlai: saves you the shithub\
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ben_vulpes: my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
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ben_vulpes: let me double-check some baseline conclusions first
ben_vulpes: a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct?
ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means
ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
☟︎ ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
adlai: ben_vulpes: honestly it's a better story for a blog post!
adlai: failing a blog post i'll have to deed it instead
adlai: or is deedbot now trademark registry
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.
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assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
adlai: ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset
kakobrekla: i must say that aklepov site is quite interesting.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
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mircea_popescu: why we even discussing "a head" ? why does it make a difference ?
ben_vulpes: well git's head is only branch relative non?
punkman: head is what gets arbitrarily toposorted to the top?
mircea_popescu: seems to me it should stay undefined. i just assumed you were discussing roots
mircea_popescu: wait. do i even have to ? "start from here and apply everything from these people" isn't exactly "defined"
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:31:22; assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
adlai: mircea_popescu: afaik you haven't learned lisp yet
adlai: aka "adlai's term for sheep-people"
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:06:44; kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – the
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:39:31; asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P
mircea_popescu: alternatively, P should come in P, P' and P'' flavours as needed.
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the original design was this refactoring of patches./
adlai: deedbot-: gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:43:06; kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. and also, the chechen story is mostly a fabrication for internal su consumption.
mircea_popescu: for one thing. for the other... obviously they stole all the goats they could, but that didn't really register.
mircea_popescu: capital flight in a collapsed federation is a universal reliable phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: exactly same happened in the last days of austro-hungarian empire
mircea_popescu: expect the same in the last days of the us. not being a nation is VERY dangerous.
mircea_popescu: counterparties stopped accepting rubles for eurodollars.
mircea_popescu: trade went to commodity-only, which drove the rapid deindustrialization of 93
mircea_popescu: (still to this very day putin's ru does not match "we will bury you" su in various key industrial production metrics)
mircea_popescu: ru is not nearly as aerospace capable as the su was when sputnik, but it's certainly not as bad as it had gotten by 1980
mircea_popescu: same penis is used to make kids as made napoleon, too.
mircea_popescu: there is the lulzy part where "physics phd" genius boy props up a huge derivative trade with a weak market, an absolute noob mistake - and one his fucking desk should have caught.
mircea_popescu: "Hitting a market’s ceiling like this was something that none of my methodologies accounted for." << because going "hey, my primary's like 20bn, the unwind that might need could easily be 2bn in a week, the whole fuel market's maybe a fifth that, hey check this out I've propped a car with a toothpick overf here"
pete_dushenski: also "hey, check out the sweet gov of mex account we scored. brownie points all around!"
mircea_popescu: heck, the age of trade was driven by people trying to make their trading house matter more than the ministry of war where all the cavalry officers and junkers hung out.
mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
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pete_dushenski: british were in sea war with asia as well around the same time, ya ?
mircea_popescu: no. the british hadn't yet been invented at that point.
mircea_popescu: the dutch followed the portuguese, and after their conquest of the offshore platform and re-basing of their ships there....
mircea_popescu: "In other words, the Fed, by centralizing stress testing around its own approach, is incentivizing banks to follow suit, which may push them to accumulate similar exposures to one another and to manage them in similar ways, resulting in decreased diversification and increased risk. This is a question raised by particularly prescriptive rules like the Fed’s 5 percent hurdle, which are simple to monitor but may be just
mircea_popescu: in other words, the us fed is managed way the fuck worse than b-a. because hey, the world is full of "physics phds" that went to fucking mit.
mircea_popescu: shoulda grazed sheep instead. learned more, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: And why his favored approach to stress testing (a technique called Bayesian nets) << oh lordy.
mircea_popescu: doesn’t involve trying to derive probabilities at all, but rather asks the user to just “produce your best-informed guess.” << and you'd love this precisely because of who you are, and where yo ulive, and what you want to be true.
mircea_popescu: of course, it is only superficially related to bayes' own work.
mircea_popescu: the actual bones under the abomination are mostly "this is everything" and "all people are equally, each individually, the complete and proud representation of all humanity" and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: i have never met any even half-competent physicists that were proud of their... paper certifications.
mircea_popescu: I dropped my bike in a bush and texted our salesperson about the idea. <<< re the entire chechens thread.
mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.
☟︎ adlai: ;;later tell therealascii fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault
adlai: shame, i'd have paid to see how high the head flew
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assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:36:22; mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16925 @ 0.00050198 = 8.496 BTC [-]
adlai: sometimes you gotta tempt fate else she'll never tempt youback
pete_dushenski: " In fact, contrary to Mr Osborne’s suggestion, the only buy-to-let investors who will not be hit are the very wealthy who buy property in cash and who don’t need a mortgage."
ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time
pete_dushenski: actually osborne's tax might minimise the blast radius of a black swan by pushing wanna-bes to the exits before the next "no one could've predicted"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles...
ben_vulpes: the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how do you figure ? the auto-car thread is just a good example of wishful thinking that some prototype is the guaranteed fyootoor. no different than google glass, e-books, iot, etc.
ben_vulpes: but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc.
pete_dushenski: $product is unrelated to $bezzlecorp ? or do i misunderstand the segmentation there
ben_vulpes: and you even have to ask re homeschooling?
thestringpuller: just gotta rip the plugin code bingoboingo gave me for archives and categories and have pages for that and it'll be ready for action.
kakobrekla: gpg: key 01ABFFC7: "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>" not changed
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 14:57:33; mircea_popescu: it looks like trilema's going to get moved off php at this rate.
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kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]
kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>
pete_dushenski: "The philosophical foundation of the Waldorf approach, Anthroposophy, underpins its primary pedagogical goals: to provide an education that enables children to become free human beings, and to help children to incarnate their "unfolding spiritual identity," carried from the preceding spiritual existence, as beings of body, soul, and spirit in this lifetime"
ben_vulpes: mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez
thestringpuller: nigga plz. send that niglet to public school. get into fights and shit
adlai: maybe mikesy didn't really have volume&depth history, an he rode out of shame
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: well, i'm seeing ranges of $8.5-11.5k per annum for portland montessori. but close enough.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 22:00:39; mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in
ben_vulpes: no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz.
ben_vulpes: nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread.
ben_vulpes: i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat.
ben_vulpes: "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat."
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*.
ben_vulpes: the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:32:37; asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!)
ben_vulpes: the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted".
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adlai: ;;later tell trinque deedbot- ate my thingy in the bad sense
trinque: it'll crap it soon; txn went out
trinque wonders idly at the mystery of adlai the poet
BingoBoingo: Wondering about that much LSD would prolly be bad for my sobriety
adlai: for posterity's sake, and to help the logs on their asymptotic journey to selftience:
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2015 04:47:27; *: BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 12 step group for LSD adlai can explore, remembers medically induced ibogaine hallucinations likely conntributed to Bill's spiritual experience
BingoBoingo hopes that the ipad ben_vulpes gets to shut his kid up is a vaxstation
adlai long since pankakked from there, but the place is ;;rate tripsit 10 in his book
adlai: A1 steak sauce people
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BingoBoingo: adlai: But how is tripsit a 12 step group if it doesn't even have step 1?
adlai: kick a troll in the nuts faster than you can say "why would you do that here"
adlai: BingoBoingo: because it has rule #1, so you need to source the drugs yourselrf
BingoBoingo: That's like the exact opposite of step one.
adlai: the beautifyl thing about deedbot-algo is that you can verify without spending
adlai checks every now and then, sweeps
adlai: it's so much better than leaking trilema credits
trinque: in other deedbot news, I've got a CL bot that knows how to ghost and get his name back
trinque: coupla more weekends and I'll shoot the python one in the head, then make the CL one eat his own code
adlai: pics^H^H^Hource or it deedn't happen
adlai: aka "not necessarily in that order"
trinque: could make him eat a genesis v-patch of himself
adlai: first you'll have to add a v command that curls vpatches
BingoBoingo: adlai: Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol that our lives had become unmanageable. "WHO cares to admit complete defeat? Practically no one, of course. Every natural instinct cries out against the idea of personal powerlessness. It is truly awful to admit that, glass in hand, we have warped our minds into such an obsession for destructive drinking that only an act of Providence can remove it from us."
BingoBoingo: "No other kind of bankruptcy is like this one. Alcohol, now become the rapacious creditor, bleeds us of all selfsufficiency and all will to resist its demands. Once this stark act is accepted, our bankruptcy as going human concern is complete." - 12&12 page 21
adlai: and put that in its own pipe, and smoke
adlai: assbot): adlai, you can't do that to BingoBoingo. (Trust: L1 1, L2 12)
adlai: but i thought wot mathematics was incommutable :(
adlai goes diddle her twat already
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adlai would build it, and they'd come, but he is le lazy...
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adlai: here, there, in between
adlai: and now... everywhere
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.trinque.3:10f3f2ecbc7b662971edccdd24770d859e50389dd7cdc92bac50166fb3b4fd4e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: i used his tool so much it broke
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.asciilifeform.3:cbab6fa56a5bd443ad000495b5d01edccf9a33e84216b207c29a35ed8c94ba8e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 2 to 3 with note: implementational in instrumenting the new key management paradime
adlai: there goes the uncrash... twas fun while it lasted
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.liquidassets.-1:483f07366c480206c52e90e6223639072ea568b76d8c5e9257c8ec1357743680
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for liquidassets with note: has yet to improve SNR, but negrates are an invitation to improve, you jimcrowwit-chickenshit
adlai: ;;later tell mike_c it's goot to have btcalpha.com back
adlai: dat 30day change! such signal!
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mike_c ty for the return of web
kakobrekla: i have no explanation for this but its not assbots fault per se it seems.
adlai: re:bundle-390596, if it ever shows up: it's the best kind of snr amplifier, fueled by the tears of gamblers and the sweat of 'investors'
adlai: fwiw back when i had to cull a key, something to do with revocation certificates seemed to do the trick
kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]
kakobrekla: Key fingerprint = 1721 5D11 8B72 3950 7FAF ED98 B982 28A0 01AB FFC7
kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>
adlai: iirc it also made deedbot- roll over and play funny
kakobrekla: te exported key is new or old in dpaste?
adlai: was than an upgrade down or retro?
adlai: (in king's english, what the hell were you using before?)
kakobrekla: well you are the expert in these matters, what are we suppose to do now
adlai is the expert in brainfuck, not assbottery
adlai: damn Anonymous is an impatient customer... double-check, payout payout... people need to rethink their liquidity
assbot: BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 1.61 B (81%) on Yes, 0.37 B (19%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 days ago ... (
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adlai: i'd leave my nickels in the tipjar but it does seem awfully full
adlai: and this is worth almost a year-day of upboats
kakobrekla: gpg: Signature made Sat 26 Dec 2015 12:37:34 AM UTC using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
kakobrekla: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
adlai shoots, he scores! he sweeps, he snores
kakobrekla: so you wont get a cold riding outside the train.
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adlai: ;;later tell ben_vulpes: "Teaching people to look at the world as a malleable thing is one of the foundations of socialist brainrot" << so satoshi was a communist now too? and get a comment section already willya, it's blogging 101
ben_vulpes: individuals may on occasion change the world of their own accord, but teaching the normie that such is within his grasp is the height of stupid
adlai is talking about the jim crow tardation
adlai: if a meme is to be killed, it's to be done right, and anybody meming "jim crow hurr durr" doesn't actually understand what bitcoin's good for
adlai: there's a connection here, hamevin yavin
adlai: satoshi says, "the world is malleable and so is bitcoin!" sipa says "maybe not", so we shoot him before he starts giving any really dangerous ideas
ben_vulpes: is this jim crow thing a thread i missed?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai that post predated my ever hearing about segwit
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i only know what those fuckwits are up to because of you
BingoBoingo: Well I guess nao I have to qntra an explainer
ben_vulpes: i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out.
ben_vulpes: also, outside my wot. watch me give zero fuxx.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out. << Appears to be new soft phork tx type. details aren't clear to me yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00050917 = 4.5316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.0005089 = 18.7275 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107100 @ 0.00051382 = 55.0301 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00051417 = 13.2142 BTC [+] {2}
mats: feeling some regret about this eth bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00051464 = 14.2813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00051499 = 28.325 BTC [+] {2}
mats: the not-usg remora collective that bought into eth ipo is broke as fuck and are incapable of triggering share dump despite sizable payout from bitbet for this service
ben_vulpes: share dump? the sale that would drive the price down to bet-throwing levels?
ben_vulpes: didja take the bitcoin side of the ebt?
fluffypony: mats: didn't you have a small hedge against your bet?
ben_vulpes wonders if anyone got the implicit self-deprecatory 'hack' joke
BingoBoingo: You aren't a complete hack ben_vulpes, just a bit careless with your emacs buffers.
BingoBoingo: You make up for that though by being a jew who knows better than to blow all of the money on the smaller person's preschool.
trinque went to the overly expensive preschool in question
trinque: only memory of it was some kid putting hair clips all along his tongue
trinque: I guess he was expressing himself
fluffypony: if it's not Monte-sorry it's not worth talking about
mircea_popescu: adlai> satoshi says, "the world is malleable and so is bitcoin!" sipa says "maybe not", so we shoot him before he starts giving any really dangerous ideas << you really should lay off the sauce.
mats: ben_vulpes: yes, i took btc side
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl? << "no" or "only shitty ones" depending on your clearance.
ben_vulpes: the curricula are purchaseable for like 500 dollars
ben_vulpes: i have yet to meet a teacher i'd entrust the whole of any educational program to outside my wot
ben_vulpes: perhaps a slice here or there, like latin or ballroom dancing
ben_vulpes: but never fucking ever will i readily consent to stick my offspring in a daycare for an amount of attention outside of my control to be paid to them.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: narrative scrolling through my head is "tbl made htmlz, smart ppl thot waz cool, rest of internet piled on, shartups demanded cc processing over webz, tls/ssl became defacto"
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : not your call to make. by the time they need or can benefit from that sort of thing, they're old enough to pick their own/
ben_vulpes: tutoring is decent work for a mistress, neh?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's actually pretty accurate. except smart ppl did not think it was cool. "smart" people had visions of a wikipedia-bayesian world.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the facts fell in, but their interpretation of "what it'll be like"... heh heh
ben_vulpes: well i did think about it for a few weeks before bringing it up. 'was cool' is a simplification of the whole 'semantic web' trip.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: old enough to pick, old enough also to have the wot to select from?
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not even that. it's ... you know how the sort of fucktard that writes sf and like... lives off juices and shit [we're talking 70s here] always represents "the future" with these robed floating aliens of "twu ewolwed" ?
mircea_popescu: ironically... it did bring them the coveted fucking star trek touch panels
ben_vulpes: but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide?
mircea_popescu: if they're worth a shit they'll find and if not, a well. most stuff developing in an uterus is meant to abort sooner or later anyway.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide? << The pool that knows wheeties actually isn't the breakfast of champion, because that is two scoops of whey and a scoop of dry instant coffee in an shaker.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are going to get too swole
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, I'm still cutting to the point where I can start getting swole without also getting fat at the same time.
BingoBoingo: Well, how else to you handle alcoholic fatty liver than by... chasing the fat out of the liver?
BingoBoingo has already lost a substantial amount of liver weight since the sobriety experiment began as measured by poking the upper right quadrant of my abdomen and contemplating the size of the organ I just pissed off.
BingoBoingo: You're right. Gotta leave the scabs alone so they can keep undercutting lazy union parasites on the labor market.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 06:59:44; mircea_popescu: if they're worth a shit they'll find and if not, a well. most stuff developing in an uterus is meant to abort sooner or later anyway.
adlai: too bad you can't short vaporware that hasn't even boiled yet
adlai: "> If the lightning network ends up sucking (let???s hope it doesn???t), then so will bitcoin as we will have no choice but to use it by that point. // Or finally raise the blocksize" who'da guessed, comments better than the article itself
adlai: also who on earth beatifies their comment troll alts
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20406 @ 0.00050503 = 10.3056 BTC [-]
adlai: i'm sorry but this is totally on-topic. /r/btc has "bitcoin startup entrepeneur" flair
adlai: context, /r/bitcoin introduced "bitcoin expert" flair at one point, and endless fests were shat over who gets it and who loses
fluffypony: right after I file to be recognised as a "thought leader"
adlai: "they say a lot of things about whoring being the oldest profession, but somebody had to pay, so Finance was First." - eden shochat, local vc chump pumper. has a good talk i'd link but nobody else medaber ivrit...
adlai: "i love regulation, because it causes fat, and then you slim it off and make bank" (rough translation parahrpase)
adlai: "private blockchains are as mortal as CEOs" (also rough translaying)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30470 @ 0.00050578 = 15.4111 BTC [+] {3}
adlai: can't you let the man !up himself? some cultures consider it rude to help
adlai: even the airgapped deserve some practice driving the cryptotron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37322 @ 0.00051386 = 19.1783 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: STRML_ is not registered in WoT.
assbot: STRML is not registered in WoT.
gribble: You rated user STRML on Mon Dec 28 03:56:10 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: epsilon risked, nothing gained (nothing lost).
adlai figures he's got to skin the fiat cat someday
adlai: at least STRML's casino doesn't touch the stuff, not even give it out for free if you keep hitting
adlai: for such a long lurker he does do a terrible job at it. wake up, sam! your elbow should be blue and purple by now, neh?
adlai realizes maybe if he wants people to listen to him, he should speak meat or blockchain at them rather than #b-a :(
adlai: "you are doing that too much. try again in 49 seconds." jesus christ marie it's a fucking IP address
adlai: only on /r/btc: "Cobra edits Bitcoin.org about page to remove Sirius from owner's list"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10526 @ 0.0005041 = 5.3062 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: who are these people even smoking? did they sip the brown acid?
adlai: at least the leddit captions that with a real cobra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00050378 = 10.3728 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So who's online that might be up for spotting me a proofreading?
BingoBoingo: Ah adlai's on it, but I'll get you the preview too
adlai: ah mats, welcome back to assland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00050198 = 4.568 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: ahaha i love this guy, "it takes twelve years, circa six governments in the state of israel"
adlai: i'd link him but he has the word "maidsafe" on his slides but says "failed" in hebrew,people might ge tthe wrong message
assbot: A year of Taliban gains shows that ‘we haven’t delivered,’ top Afghan official says - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1JbPMpP )
adlai: he does fall for the fallacy of ascribing relevance to bubble inflation velocity in a post-fiat-escape-hatch market
punkman: on my Qubes project which turns out to be meaningless."
☟︎ punkman: then she turns around, "oh we must change the game", "state considered harmful", "do you want my trusted stick?"
adlai tl;dr's his guerrilla transcription: "would-be entrepeneurs, don't waste your time building companies. fuck shit up and send me the datapix, maybe i'll like them and buy some more"
adlai: i mean fuck, it's even got a leet checksum
adlai rests his case, and weary brain. maybe tomorrow it'll piss again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00050377 = 5.9369 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: "On Sunday afternoon, as rain continued to pummel much of the St. Louis region, 2015 officially became the wettest year on record. It came amid reports of widespread flooding, a plea by officials in West Alton to evacuate and the closure of Interstate 70 through the heart of St. Charles County. And with rain continuing Monday, river levels throughout the region are expected to hit near-record crests by New Year’s Eve."
BingoBoingo: Actual flood season usually doesn't start until April, or at least March
BingoBoingo: "Mississippi river levels at Alton are expected to reach nearly 39 feet by Thursday, only 3.7 feet lower than the 1993 record. In St. Louis, the water is expected to crest just shy of 45 feet, which would rank only behind the 49.6 feet recorded during the flood of ’93."
BingoBoingo: "Down river, the Mississippi was forecast to reach or surpass the 1993 record of 49.74 at Chester, Ill., on Friday. That level would impact Menard Correctional Center and comes within inches of the top of the levee protecting St. Genevieve, Mo."
BingoBoingo: All of this water and fucking California can have none of it.
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mircea_popescu: for the record, ottoman fashion's pretty cool. they invented a lot of things above and beyond the ottoman
mircea_popescu: (that very useful piece of furniture for anyone that keeps cocksuckers in the house)
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junseth: hey everyone. Just popping in to see what the scum of the earth is up to ;P
BingoBoingo: Oh, a little bit of everything. Picking fights with XT and blockstream at the same time
junseth: At this point, that debate is like trying to tell a Christian evolution is real.
junseth: "Why, don't you want our opinion?"
junseth: Haha, nice. Gotta say, the thing i like about bitcoin-assets is that whether or not I agree with ya'll, you keep shit weird.
junseth: This is good I'm kin dof fed up with the people who didn't care about block size 5 months ago, and then Gavin told them to care, and now they care.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously. But on the other hand can't let blockstream get an ego and think they can Gavin themselves.
junseth: Sounds good to me. Just push Maxwell to bring us fungibility by next Christmas
junseth: and I'll be squealing like one of Bitcoin's many beautiful transgendered women. :)
BingoBoingo: But you definitely can see the positive effect all this drama is having on price, right?
junseth: I don't care. For those of us who are long termers, a cheap Bitcoin is a good bitcoin
junseth: All right, I'll be back in a few months to make sure that ya'll are still the weirdest enclave in the space. Just doing the prison rounds, wanted to take a count of the inmates. Time to pretend like real life is real life.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00050482 = 6.9085 BTC [-]
assbot: Kazonomics - Poses as a rich and successful Bitcoin-Guru but is in fact a dirt poor & notorious criminal who just can´t stay away from trouble. - Welcome to Fyrstikken ... (
http://bit.ly/1me9MON )
gribble: Current Blocks: 390659 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41628 @ 0.00050403 = 20.9818 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Roger Ver rallies around Coinbase. What could possibly go wrong this time around? I mean the last time Ver vouched for someone, new captains of industry were created right? : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1knNubr )
ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather
☟︎ pete_dushenski: shinohai: pff. b-a doesn't rubber stamp, we brand with iron directly on skin.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: way to break in past the reddit censors. wd.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I actually didn't submit it to reddit.
BingoBoingo: This is "organic" social media manure accumulating
BingoBoingo: I don't have a current reddit account "broken in" enough to chance on shitting qntra into reddit. Gotta farm some more "wheymens"
BingoBoingo: What budget? Everything goes into servers, coffee, or HODL.
pete_dushenski: you could always reallocate some of those saved boozebezzlars
pete_dushenski: "Saudi Arabia, its finances hit by low oil prices, announced plans to shrink a record state budget deficit with spending cuts and a drive to raise revenues from sources other than oil. The government of the world's top oil exporter ran a deficit of 367 billion riyals ($97.9 billion) in 2015, the Council of Economic and Development Affairs said on Monday." << i wouldn't be surprised if we saw a regime change in t
pete_dushenski: he next 12 months. this is going to be a rough ride for abdullah's stand-ins.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, that's actually a smarter use of funds
BingoBoingo: Also some of the saved boozelars have gone into the gas tank, because some days there isn't a storytime club meeting in reasonable walking distance.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:51:47; ben_vulpes: foreskins!
pete_dushenski: tried watching some jeremy piven show on netflix last night where he plays an american entrepreneur in london who starts his own department store circa 1909 and the only way i could stand it was with the volume off. the set design is the ~only~ redeeming quality of that show.
pete_dushenski: anyways, watch at your own risk, but definitely not recommended viewing.
pete_dushenski: though the few bits about jobs being hard to come by, and only the handsomest men and prettiest women being able to snag jobs, and the employers turning applicants away because they have dirty fingernails was kinda neat, if only because that's the way the world works outside of the narrow historical confines of "we print the bezzlars"-istan.
pete_dushenski: and... apparently the show is 3 years old and already on its fourth season. fancy that.
punkman: pete_dushenski: the set design is the ~only~ redeeming quality of that show. << isn't that why they call them costume dramas
mod6: pete_dushenski: hey, got your msg. thanks for updating your blog. much appreciated.
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mod6: Thanks again for posting your report & corresponding patch. Great work.
pete_dushenski: punkman: the fat one looks awfully familiar but i can't place him.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:52:00; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050384 = 2.1413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00050343 = 6.5698 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: assbot: A year of Taliban gains shows that ‘we haven’t delivered,’ top Afghan official says << loller.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 10:48:06; punkman: on my Qubes project which turns out to be meaningless."
assbot: junseth is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 13:50:37; junseth: This is good I'm kin dof fed up with the people who didn't care about block size 5 months ago, and then Gavin told them to care, and now they care.
mircea_popescu: and somehow nobody's supposed to remember 2013 because reasons.
mircea_popescu: somehow "hardforking the blockchain to accomodate dust transactions" wasn't a concern, back before hussein bahamas climbed atop mit and started throwing meatballs and chicken nuggets at the rotinculo chorus.
assbot: Kazonomics - Poses as a rich and successful Bitcoin-Guru but is in fact a dirt poor & notorious criminal who just can´t stay away from trouble. - Welcome to Fyrstikken ... (
http://bit.ly/1mLkdcD )
mircea_popescu: "These are all public records and there are tons more if you want to dig deeper into the criminal life of Kaseem Sarad Simpson, AKA @Kazonomics on twitter" eh srsly, dude's can't drive and had a falling out with some weisz chick.
mircea_popescu: "I'm Roger Ver, long-time Roger Ver advocate and investor. Today, I'm at the Roger Ver world headquarters in Saint Kitts and Nevis. I had a nice chat with Roger Ver CEO, Roger Ver, about their current situation. He showed me multiple bank statements, as well as letters from banks, lawyers and Roger Ver. I'm sure that all the current Roger Ver problems at Roger Ver are being caused by the traditional banking system, not
mircea_popescu: because of a lack of liquidity at Roger Ver. The traditional banking partners that Roger Ver needs to work with are not able to keep up with the demands of the growing Roger Ver economy. The dozens of people that make up the Roger Ver team are hard at work establishing additional banking partners, that eventually will make dealing with Roger Ver easier for all their customers around the world. For now, I hope that eve
mircea_popescu: ryone will continue working on Roger Ver projects that will help make the world a better place."
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355361 << quite. all this verbiage about how "oh lalala, if miners stop enforcing X fork they will be excluded" fails to account for the fact that unlike the various PRBs, TRB does NOT actually implement any of the soft forks. so no, they won't be "excluded". nobody will notice they stopped.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:49:52; ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:57:30; pete_dushenski: that's what fiverr's for
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 16:02:02; pete_dushenski: he next 12 months. this is going to be a rough ride for abdullah's stand-ins.
mircea_popescu: the saudis have a shitton of cash to throw around before they need to notice the hole.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin-related code written by developers reached 7,000 in December, up from 1,000 bitcoin codes in mid-2013. The number of PayPal-related codes is below 3,000 (based on Github depository references)."
mats: >has uncovered a database sitting on the Web containing various pieces of personal information related to 191 million American citizens registered to vote... [the data] includes names, home addresses, phone numbers, dates of birth, party affiliations, and logs of whether or not they had voted in primary or general elections.
mats: punkman: did you read her paper?
mats: or didja assume 'trusted stick' == 'trusted platform module'?
mats: what problem(s) do you see with this scheme?
punkman: mats, do you think persistence is the problem?
punkman: or that we can't even trust own mother
mats: i can however appreciate some facets of her thing, like being able to trivially inspect device fw
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mats: mircea_popescu: meaning of sae?
mats: ben_vulpes: context?
assbot: I'm Bill Pollock, No Starch Press founder. I'm here with some of our authors. Ask us anything! : netsec ... (
http://bit.ly/1NSWCxc )
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:50:12; asciilifeform: there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd.
mats: ben_vulpes: oops. i scrolled up.
mats: yeah, you mentioned it last month
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 22:02:19; ascii_butugychag: and lulzily, that's my new job...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00050264 = 16.2855 BTC [+] {4}
mats: can sync with software logging even
☟︎ shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.ben_vulpes.1:4bb772d30b432b48cbaf24825be8c37c7c14e204d0b2afb47af4ae86edd1b4a9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.00050694 = 26.8425 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20618 @ 0.00050282 = 10.3671 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Substantial props go to adlai and mats for the proofreading help
BingoBoingo: Honestly I wouldn't know what to do with a fiverr account