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shinohai: For BingoBoingo, lest he forget the lulz of his tierra nativo http://archive.is/UYlRg
shinohai: http://archive.is/EwgIC <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in an apparent imitation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749817 : http://destery.info/cidal/mpex-bitcoin-nupe.php <<< aaaaand, very similarly, returns ENTIRELY different turd to archive.is. orig. screenshitted, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpex_flavoured_spamola.jpg for posterity.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 15:42 asciilifeform: meanwhile in pinoy spamola, http://peltebesining.tk/giwe/asic-bitcoin-miner-schematic-1634.php << image-embeds asciilifeform's lispm keyboard schematic as 'asic miner' . bonus : if loaded via archive.is, gives entirely ~different~ spamola, prolly based on ip block
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759179 << when i use it, i mean that my foremost node is ahead by delta.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 15:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
asciilifeform: that's even worse. if my nodes were failing to give EACH OTHER their best known blocks, i'd skin'em alive until found why
mircea_popescu: i know why lol
asciilifeform: ( is what 'wires' came out of )
asciilifeform: in related noose, zoolag covered ~20k blox in 4days. and looks set to fully sync by tomorrow morning.
asciilifeform: ( with 'aggression' )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too.
asciilifeform: neato!
asciilifeform: and, observe, this was without any such prbisms as 'headers-first'ism etc.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: none of it, i suspect, was ever needed.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone intellectually honest still holds any notion that the prb crew is in any way working to fix or improve bitcoin.
asciilifeform: wasn't, even in 2012.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform turns out you have a lot of fans.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759198 << look at cases where a message that overflows the buffer has the last word leading by http of any line and the first word of the next line include any /☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:14 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
mircea_popescu: should cover most cases.
mircea_popescu: can offer it in the logotron as a [?] item, ie message is "blablabla http://someu" and next line goes "rl.com/hurddurr" and your log shows the line as "blablabla http://someu [ http://someurl.com/hurddurr ?]" or perhaps in shorter format, "blablabla http://someu [<a href=http://someurl.com/hurddurr>?</a>]"
mircea_popescu: not sure it's worth actually getting this anal, but w/e
mircea_popescu: just as good as google ai (tm)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759208 << i consider it perfectly acceptable ; if crapple software were improved to swallow 100% of their luserbase's output as opposed to merely 1% or w/e it is now it'd be even more acceptable.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:19 asciilifeform: somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759209 << no fucking way it's that old. 2000s item☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:20 phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
mircea_popescu: this isn't fucking irc2
phf: nah, ircii is 1980s, 2.1.4 is 1990s release
mircea_popescu: are we talking irssi or irc2 ?
phf: later
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: dunno why i read irssi
mircea_popescu: particularly lulzy in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759211☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:27 phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759229 << jesus christ clucking in algebra on that clunker of a kbd...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:39 phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
mircea_popescu: i'd rather piss it in fresh snow.
phf: you can use ipad with a bluetooth keyboard!!1
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759236 << the problem is rather the ability to tell people [as a fine example, one's own sons] that they have failed miserably, and here's the small stiletto that'll wash somewhat of the miserable stain they placed on your name.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:48 phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
mircea_popescu: absent that... you're typing on a bluepad itooth regardless.
mircea_popescu: this very basic confrontation of cain is an utterly necessary, fundamental building block of respirable cosmos.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759237 << have you ever wondered, like prepubescent mp wondered, why all these various animals on nature show never fucking kill the parasytes like you'd squish a flea ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:49 asciilifeform: ( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form )
mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
mircea_popescu: i am convinced that all these useless foreigners had not an inkling of an idea that they're trading their ancestral land for the sack of shiny baubles, simply no conception whatsoever. "what, there's something wrong with codebase increase ?" they might ask, with all the endearing pathetism of well meaning senility, in the same tone as they might ask "where am i ? could you take me home ?", lost at a crowded crossroads.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759241 << it's not altogether clear to me soviet union wasn't continued exactly in the spirit and direction of "the great father".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:52 asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that
asciilifeform: can debate styles of management , etc. but for instance stalin did not sell natural resources. successors -- sold. even today, ru runs 100% 'on the pipe', like saud
asciilifeform: the inheriting of the master's house by a gaggle of idjits , former bootlicks, was a palpable thing, and with palpable consequences incl. the cn split.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759338 << dog very much perceives the flea. just like zek perceives the louse. but what exactly is he to do? either of them.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 01:51 mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
mircea_popescu: this is somewhat dubious. ww2 engagement not "sold ru resources ie mirvnik fat" but "invested" ?
mircea_popescu: and no, t-cell doth not perceive hiv virus, nor fish the polyp on its gills etc.
mircea_popescu: dog, maybe. then again dog eats shit does not perceive ascaris etc
asciilifeform: ww2 wasn't exactly a voluntary transaction
asciilifeform: re t cell -- not all parasites are perceptible. point was that stealth is not the only strategy used by parasite
mircea_popescu: this is an open issue. "on the pipe" also not voluntary txn
mircea_popescu: china HAD TO trade its mirvnik fat, and it's what powered its conversion from ~india to ~us.
asciilifeform: it is if you have a stalin, i.e. a firm power vertical.
mircea_popescu: russia idem had to. much less profitably, because turns out torturing your fellow countryman is better for the country than torturing the environment.
asciilifeform: if not , then 0 agency, like corpse. and fat will be rendered
mircea_popescu: optimal investment in the other (as teh sartrean notion) is putting them into pain.
asciilifeform: nao this, is so.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental counterintuitive coernerstone of civilisation : always better to beat the wife and children than to beat the walls and fields.
mircea_popescu: but...
asciilifeform: ( much has been written on subj of how post-mongol ru continued same administrative style etc. there's sumthing to it. )
mircea_popescu: rather.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759271 << please do.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 18:06 phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
mircea_popescu: !~lookup chat.freenode.net
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
mircea_popescu: !~lookup irc.freenode.net
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
mircea_popescu: shinohai nice.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759277 << any actual history of bitcoin, as opposed to the usual "and then hillary clinton really won the elections and global warming etcetera" ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 19:43 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759288 << bwahahaha right on,\☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 00:26 shinohai: http://archive.is/EwgIC <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
shinohai: http://archive.is/VuSSm <<< Autists literally made this happen. Their logo is a fidget spinner, ffs
asciilifeform: shinohai: can haz not-videoturd ??
shinohai: heh i got txt on screen, no video
shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
phf: heh, i was prepared to be disappointed, but the op, as they say, delivered
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/fowAf << from samerag, moarlulz
asciilifeform: 'Real price of bitcoin could be $0.00, warns Morgan Stanley' << didjaknow.
asciilifeform: ( they must've asked buffett... )
mircea_popescu: real price of dollars is almost certainly 0.00000000 bitcoin, however.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let them "could be" and "we said to ourselves and then believed" and so on until the rapetruck comes.
mircea_popescu: not like there's any further utility in the fiatard lands.
asciilifeform: pretty slow rapetruck... ( is the rape phree if the truck is late ? like american pizza in 1980s )
mircea_popescu: aha :D
mircea_popescu: in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
mircea_popescu: to quote tlp, "half of america said hell ya, let's kick some ass and the other half rolled its eyes and was totally like don't you guys know we suck now ?"
mircea_popescu: yet by comparison to the femprop the pantsuits are pouring out this decade, brainless "action" movies of the 90s are grandiloquent cinematic accomplishments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions << I looked at "Mac Stadium" but ended up going with Joe's Datacenter before the payment portion of Joe's website went full NameCheap retard.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps you fill a 1U tray with them and pack it into your checked luggage? If you worry about their conenctivity it is very possible to negotiate them their own dedicated or asymmetrical line.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BigTexasBingo: ever seen this photo : https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/0/6/6/5346660.jpg ? << Not until now
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too. << Aha, since the aggressing started and some trb nodes changed ver string my nodes have had an easier time staying at the tip
BingoBoingo: So last night I returned from una cita con una chica to discover a concert on the roof of the hostel was winding down. While I rehydrated drinking copious agua buena other guests at the hostel consulted me for answers to "What's good in Montevideo"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am looking to set up a handful of trb nodez 1) small, 'disposable' boxen 2) for fiatolade 3) with decent , i.e. at least 100mb symmetric ea. 4) NOT all in same cage
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: i'ma certainly patronize castle BingoBoingostein tho
asciilifeform: but that dun solve whole item.
BingoBoingo: https://www.macstadium.com/colo/#dcselect << Was a finalist I considered $35/month for small machine
asciilifeform: nuffin there re noncrapple tho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759388 << see also lulthread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703064☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 06:12 mircea_popescu: in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 17:24 asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758743 << this historically worked CONSIDERABLY better than 'let's throw the reddit toilet into reverse gear and see what crawls out of the pipe'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!!
mircea_popescu: so yes, the move to conscription is a matter of when, not of if.
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that most nobles dun wanna upkeep their castles for some reason. i'm hoping it's mostly misunderstanding teh future in the benign sense of "really, didn't give this much thought"
asciilifeform: no serfs, no castle, eh
mircea_popescu: first the castle then the serfs!
mircea_popescu: it's not a bit of fucking public works
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759406 << guaranteed no-go. it's rather like trying to sew a squirrel into a rat skin and expect it to live happily as rat.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
asciilifeform: ( ports are in all the wrong places, and no room for any cabling, ditto heat spreaders )
BingoBoingo keeping quiet castle in #agriculturalsupremacy though meeting people and perhaps soon Serfing to fill
asciilifeform: oh hey neato
mircea_popescu: the sadness of agriculture being of course that old story of http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
asciilifeform: ^ aha i immediately thought of it
mircea_popescu: now THAT'd be a golden nut to crack. though i have ~0 hope of it ever working.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: well, many things depend on one's patience with die grinder. Slow sure, but most people may benefit from having a sort of meditative activity.
mircea_popescu: agricultural supremacy ~= john deere (THAT is a place "self-driving" has utility btw) + monsanto genetic "engineering":
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, yes, the corn thing
asciilifeform: for gedankenexperiment, mircea_popescu , what would 'cracked' look like ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a situation where it is -ev to chemicalize/engineer.
mircea_popescu: ie, plants come alive at night and fuck your wife
asciilifeform: they... do. simply takes a while.
asciilifeform: it was always -ev, simply not on short enuff time scale.
mircea_popescu: female agriculture is a fine example of what cracked nut would be. try to make one out of rubber and "nlp", get what's coming to ye.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this'd be the problem then.
asciilifeform: petro supply falls ? as good as nukefest.
mircea_popescu: nah, electric pathway is still above water.
asciilifeform: whole thing is standing on cheap petro tho
shinohai: basidiocarps sprout from floor and deliver sound rogering
asciilifeform: for the chemicrud
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches. << anti-intellectual sheen is part of the appeal of having named castle thusly, scares those who need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you drastically underestimate how cheap electricity actually is.
asciilifeform: not so cheap that anybody's fischer-tropsching his way into cornism
mircea_popescu: this is a fashion.
mircea_popescu: it's like saying "the reason 1990s girls are emo is that 1950 style vinly and kitchen aprons are expensive"
BingoBoingo: Kind of how I was telling other people at hostel that when you make eye contact with everyone you come across on your walk, you tend not to get acosted
mircea_popescu: no they aren't lmao. the "consensus" of herdemocracy is just not to produce it.
asciilifeform: troo: i have nfi what kw-hour would cost in e.g. a china that goes full-bore su-style fission buildout
mircea_popescu: soviet-style ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757906 ) nuke plant development would result in cost per elec-watt being half of cost per oil-watt within generation.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:12 asciilifeform: then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha!
asciilifeform: prolly yea
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they self-support. WAY the fuck more expensive to have 1st nuke power plant than to add the 1001th to a 1000 fleet.
BingoBoingo described US agriculture to the Brasileros. "In Estados Unidos, corn is grown and converted to sugar. Anything else costs too much to do. All of the livestock subsist on fermented corn chaff."
asciilifeform: iirc good chunk of eastern europistan to this day running on golden age reactors
mircea_popescu: yuppers.
mircea_popescu: romania is basically hydro+nuclear.
mircea_popescu: and nobody wants to look at why both a) romania became industrial power and b) romania was the only above-water state during crisis.
asciilifeform: long in the tooth, and with american ersatz fuel by ge co. -- but running.
mircea_popescu: imbecile austrians, that DID convince the world hitler was german and mozart austrian, NEVERTHELESS DID NOT!!!! figure out why they come to bucharest to seek money in 2007.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ro makes its own fuel, wut.
mircea_popescu: there's a nuclear fuel factory and everything.
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: !~google fabrica de combustibil nuclear pitesti
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: FCN Pitesti - Nuclearelectrica: <http://www.nuclearelectrica.ro/fcn/en/>; Combustibil nuclear - Nuclearelectrica: <http://www.nuclearelectrica.ro/despre-noi/zona-tehnica/fcn-pitesti/>; fcn pitesti - Nuclearelectrica: <http://www.nuclearelectrica.ro/fcn/en/contact/>
asciilifeform: i was thinking of bulgaria specifically.
mircea_popescu: ah. bulgaria is...
mircea_popescu: well, you know that time the caer came up with idea of making eastern europe agricultural zone, and ceausescu threatened to quit the warsaw pact ?
asciilifeform: !~google bulgaria fuel rods
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bulgaria opens dry spent nuclear fuel depot - Reuters: <http://www.reuters.com/article/bulgaria-nuclear-waste-idAFLDE74A13D20110512>; Will The Russians Become Fuel Supplier To U.S. Nuclear Power ...: <https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/05/31/will-the-russians-become-fuel-supplier-to-u-s-nuclear-power-plants/>; Cracks found in protective casings at Bulgaria nuclear plant - Phys.org: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: bulgarians were enthusiastic over the idea.
asciilifeform: bulgaria, land of tomato, aha.
mircea_popescu: pickled gerkins really, but yes.
asciilifeform: tomato for petrol. but today imports both from eu. because spread legs for nato.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 10-20k rods a year. this is not a lot objectively, but it keeps the item going
mircea_popescu: (they're about 10TJ for lifetime, so whole factory makes say petaJ/year)
asciilifeform: gotta wonder why no breeder reactor in ro
mircea_popescu: um. who says no ?
asciilifeform: is there ? su afaik did not build any
mircea_popescu: (petaJ ~= 1.5 mn BOE, roughly speaking.)
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
asciilifeform: 'breeders' were a major thrust in pre-pantsuit usa, where abundant thorium
asciilifeform: (e.g. new york stands on enormous thorium vein)
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they don't have to be big
BingoBoingo: In other news, on January 5th or 8th tentatively penciling in an appointment with the data center to hammer out more details, pricing information, etc. By that point there should be a business to do contract signing even if banking continues to be a challenge.
mircea_popescu: so saying "no" is tall ortder, da fuck anyone knows.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff pre-zombiefication PG mentioned that his father had come to usa from britain to build breeder-reactors. and then driven into sad-retirement when pantsuitisml
asciilifeform: *pantsuitism
mircea_popescu: anyway, ro maintains very lively solid state physics programme at universities (mostly, buchjarest/magurele), i would not be surprised if they had one on the grounds.
asciilifeform: it isn't even 'high tech'n, pretty clear how it works if you look at mendeleev table
asciilifeform: ( where is thorium , consider )
mircea_popescu: this is why i say.
mircea_popescu: obvious teaching tool etc.
asciilifeform: hey betcha somebody in ro even knows about the beta thing.
asciilifeform: some d00d with long, white beard.
mircea_popescu: if /me ran the whole thing, item'd be used for all it's worth (less importantly, give promising kids a chance to learn what critical safety is ; more importantly, give promising kids chance to exclude themselves on grounds of can not keep a secret. "big hush" the secret thorium reactor would be lynchpin of the whole thing)
shinohai: i still wanna know why Romania let Chad get away with stealing their flag.
mircea_popescu: it's so tantalizingly perfect it'd be hard to believe not used while not believing people involved are all rank idiots.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: shinohai retarded brits maneuvering themselves into trying to matter. when hatman visited queen, some local fuckwits organised a buncha streetwalkers to pretend like they represent "the gypsy community" and "independently want to be called romania from now on". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739911 wasn't invented by ustards, they just copied.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 20:41 mircea_popescu: there's a great southpark episode explaining how this false dychotomy is intended to work in practice (i'm a bit couintry & im a bit rock and roll item)
mircea_popescu: "wut is hatman gonna do, not go into queen carriage???"
mircea_popescu: aanyways.
asciilifeform: sumbody oughta set up a parallel usg out of crackheads in bmore
mircea_popescu: it's coming.
asciilifeform: send to london!
asciilifeform: 'gov in exile' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: because obviously, why the hell not.
shinohai: aha praise be to the logs, and a South Park episode to boot!
mircea_popescu: eh, london. fuck london, nobody is ever going there again.
mircea_popescu: place is done.
asciilifeform: it's just this place, where they keep 'governments in exile', lel
mircea_popescu: they. no moar theys.
asciilifeform: dun have to be in old london. can put in orbit, like in pelevin's 'snuff'
mircea_popescu: tehran.
asciilifeform: eh who keeps idjits-in-exile other than the 'they' for anyhing.
mircea_popescu: we.
mircea_popescu: why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: !~calc log(2^2048)^6/log(2^14)^6
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2^2048)^6/log(2^14)^6
mircea_popescu: !~calc log(2**2048)**6/log(2**14)**6
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)**6/log(2**14)**6
mircea_popescu: !~calc log(2)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: log(2) = 0.30102999566398114
mircea_popescu: what the everloving
mircea_popescu: !~calc log(2**2048)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2**2048
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 2**2048
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2^4
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2^4 = 16
shinohai: This cac really blows dunnit
mircea_popescu: nuts.
shinohai: *calc
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record : the ratio is ~146.
mircea_popescu: ie, if http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753823 takes one week to compute, a full rsa sized item would take about a year.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 23:19 asciilifeform: btw that french aks is geological. n==11701 has been running for 10+ minutes, and is on ~9600; author's code indicates that answer appears at iteration 1000000007. that'd be 723 days on this box.
mircea_popescu: *two weeks* i mean.
mircea_popescu: if it takes 723 days, the item would STILL complete within the lifetime of the republic, which is to say roughly speaking 723 × 146 × 2 / 365 = 578.4 years.
mircea_popescu: so it is not THAT useless.
mircea_popescu: especially if esthlos comes up with some fast implementation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~iron~ aks may be worth something.
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
asciilifeform: as in, ffa-width cpu.
mircea_popescu: whole point of exercise was, slow, yes, but actually not slow enough to discard entirely out of hand
asciilifeform: but nothing short of that.
asciilifeform: dedicated primality tester ic would rock.
mircea_popescu: the major advantage of ever seeing a log in the big O is that well... log promises very good returns at end tail!
mircea_popescu: one of my favourite sights, i confess
mircea_popescu: when a complexity calculation returns a result in logs.
mircea_popescu: i know of no better example of a candidate miracle.
asciilifeform: e.g. karatsuba
asciilifeform: ( imho 1 of the great finds of that century, no less )
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: there's outright cleverness, like that guy's method to compute inside pi ; and then there's just sheer good fucking fortune, like karatsuba.
asciilifeform: not clear why one 'cleverness' but other, 'fortune', could just as easily say the reverse
mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
mircea_popescu: it's quite fucking obvious that you don't need to computhe the 5th decimal of pi to compute the billionth, if you just put down the bottle for one moment.
mircea_popescu: admittedly putting down bottle hard to do, all this self-determination and choice-having and gotta watch teh tv gets in the way. but anwyay.
BingoBoingo: Eh, if one bottles right eventually surrender comes and choice having space narrows
asciilifeform: that or cirrhosis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if i did this before, but let's put it in the logs at the risk of repeating self.
mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
asciilifeform: let's. ( i'ma come to tea, brb )
mircea_popescu: human civilisation is entirely dependent on iron being present within its early environment. while it's true that iron is overwhelmingly abundant on earth, making up as it does 1/3 of it by mass, it is nevertheless also heavy enough to not be abundant on the surface. it is abundant in the core only. the surface iron comes from ancient collision with tinier earths that, like this one, had an iron-ish core, which core then ends
mircea_popescu: up splashed all over this one's surface.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cirrhosis is usually has acute and reversible alcoholic hepatits as a herald well in advance of cirrhosis, if not problem space still narrows
mircea_popescu: now, those peoples that did have iron in the environment, flourished. those that did not, became the fuckign tupi, stuck forever in stone age.
mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
BingoBoingo: Eh, iron core's just global wanking conspiracy shit. Uranium core or bust!
mircea_popescu: this is not a singular example, it is a pattern, and a pattern that VERY insistently repeats.
mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
mircea_popescu: if you look at the history of the human thought, a certain sense of "stairwell" does become apparent -- they did x which suddenly made y feasible and guess what ? sooner or later (usually, later : see gunpowder steam engine and all the numerous examples we keep rehashing in logs) they'd y!
mircea_popescu: now, from a strict probabilistic perspective, there's nothing evidently requiring ALL the god damned stairs to be one foot tall at the most. yet, they all are.
mircea_popescu: evidently this is a matter of selected group, humanity only ever took thesteps it could take, so its whole stairwell will be bound by what a biosack shaped like human could overstep
mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS!!! there are MANY!!! steps in this ladder, that all occured.
mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
mircea_popescu: (lit hum includes all sciences from agriculture to string theory + philosophy, for the record)
mircea_popescu: (and evidently, if this is not evident, the argument is not limited to culture ; theory of evolution proposes a succession of steps to arrive to humanoid, that all similarily also happened. wel...)
mircea_popescu: and since i mentioned that : religion simply means acknowledgement of one's betters. it's all it is, worthip of the superior.
mircea_popescu: that's what "caesar was proclaimed god" means, to the roman mind.
mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate of any functional republic, res divinae, the two together forming... a religion.
mircea_popescu: which is WHY i kept chuckling at inept illiterate imbeciles herp-derping about "oh, a cult".
mircea_popescu: turns out... it fucking helps having the letters, at the very least if you are intent on interacting with one who does.
mircea_popescu: but aaanyways.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759571 << pretty wide gap, and was closed by buncha folx, see below,☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:28 mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
mircea_popescu: yes, but wide in a certain limited sense.
asciilifeform: einstein really gavinized minkowski and lorentz
mircea_popescu: sort-of akin to running mt_rand on (0, infinity) and expecting results to fit a register.
mircea_popescu: however wide that register may be...
asciilifeform: this however is not the problem
asciilifeform: problem is that the stairwell pov presupposes its conclusion. 'it happened, thereby it was the next step.' exactly 'newton sat down to discover'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: phakt : plenty of 'next steps' that apparently too tall. e.g. roomtemp supercon.
mircea_popescu: (i deliberately said "a guy like einstein" to avoid the history discussion)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but read on.
asciilifeform: or for that matter, usable maxwell. ( modern electronic design uses a narrowly restricted, i.e. sorta-fits-in-head special form of maxwell )
asciilifeform: or i could go on.
asciilifeform: and there's a reason we're talking over waveguide and not, say, entangletron
asciilifeform: or, or.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but read on!!11
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759576 << steps that are taller than the tallest man, look like walls, not steps☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:30 mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759577 << if beelzebub made the levels for us to walk, he must be quite disappointed at the '% secrets' (think to 'doom'/'doom2' level endings, lol)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:31 mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: plenty of what i suspect 'kindergarten-level' (in hindsight, like karatsuba) -- unsolved.
mircea_popescu: he's stuck putting in there material we only reliably get log(n) of
mircea_popescu: which is funny because foretold -- see euler's count of prime numbers.
asciilifeform: 'motherfuckers, i gave then such particle-like electrons, and they STILL dun have roomtemp supercon...'
mircea_popescu: "for them to find four i gotta put in ten, and it gets worse as you go further"
mircea_popescu: turns out that the first and perhaps only possible result of natural philosophy is to explain why divine anger is necessary and justified.
mircea_popescu: "what if YOU had to make ten for every four ?"
asciilifeform: divine anger was always the part that made sense to everybody. ( at least everybody other than the poor benighted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 folx . )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
asciilifeform: witness the gods pictured by tropical fuckwits
asciilifeform: ( though even there, in the slightly less 'female' folx, they had angry godz )
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu sings, "you would be angry too... if it happened... tooo yoooou"
mircea_popescu: (as to domus and personal divinity -- slavegirls regularily apologize for "not having managed more". because it's true, the fundamental with a view to only interaction with the superior is built out of the vague regret of one's own insufficiency. da fuck else is there.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 << speaking of this: nobody has anyfi re what earthling history could have looked like if... iridium, say, had been similarly available☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or BingoBoingo 's uranium. three heads, etcetera.
asciilifeform: possibly proverbian alphacentaurian would spit, 'see, THIS is what happens when no surface iridium! they did not have the good fortune to meet the proper meteorites...'
asciilifeform: *proverbial
asciilifeform: uranium is actually quite common on planet3.
mircea_popescu: (for the astrophysics noobs : material composition of any corner of space is determined by supernova/plain star proportion, which as best anyone can determine is the only true random variable in nature)
asciilifeform: even on surface. ( that very same yellow sand in ro, from earlier threads. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and look at ro! lol.
mircea_popescu: (reason earth is fulla iron is that gold needs a discretely different star to produce ; yes there's a continuous mass consideration involoved, but the results -- discretized)
BingoBoingo: Ah, nuclear chemistry. Where integers make all the difference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for they clamoring for references -- the complete works of varro (such as they remain) are most instructive here.
mircea_popescu: perfectly respectable anthropologist to this very day, in preference of most anyone ever born in an english speaking household, and certainly anyone born in the colonies.
asciilifeform: iirc most of varro evaporated
mircea_popescu: it did
asciilifeform: suxx.
mircea_popescu: god did not promise you get to keep all your napkins.
asciilifeform: or any
mircea_popescu: anyway, a lot of it is guessable on the basis of, mostly stoic re-write.
mircea_popescu: the poets/philosophers/civil servants tripartite discussion of divinity most indicative.
mircea_popescu: so in the same sense the french/swiss folk could almost-read unpublished newton on the basis of their own understanding of calculus...
asciilifeform: that's sorta what made the 'natural philosophy' thing take off -- the realization that 'it's still there', whether or not newton bothers to publish
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14328.86, vol: 18062.50528010 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14130.0, vol: 79070.56865041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14352.1, vol: 4760.58484451 | Volume-weighted last average: 14175.6283124
asciilifeform: !!key spyked
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.spyked.sig
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18457 << congrats to spyked , graduate of ffa ch1.
mircea_popescu savagely fucked sleeping girl ; after which, taking advantage of well known property of dreams to be recountable if dreamer suddenly awakened, asked what she had been dreaming of.
mircea_popescu: "i dunno... stupid...dating show...something."
mircea_popescu: i advised her to be careful what she dreams of in the future.
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in historic loose ends , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758001 << how to square this with >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637609 ( summary : classical bitcoin permits ~modification of old blocks~ via the idjit 'tx replace' mechanism. even though -- as i understand -- it'd split the network if actually ever deployed. which it was not, not even in prb. but theoretically still permitted by the protocol. )☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 17:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:43 mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform republic has strength to enforce dunnit ?
asciilifeform: driving uppity miners into bankruptcy, abatement of gavins, etc. is thus far mircea_popescu's dept.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody else has got with-what.
mircea_popescu: but the discussion here is merely "how to enforce a correct chain of patches"
asciilifeform: patches yes. i was speaking of the blockchain-vchain parallel.
mircea_popescu: it mearly meant this much, that it'd be a chain of patches.
mircea_popescu: no moar.
asciilifeform: which has currently a birth defect hole in it, the classical blockchain is not properly speaking immutable.
mircea_popescu: software'd better not be immutable either, lest we're stuck with c.
asciilifeform: history had better be immutable. lest we get stuck with having to undo c again and again forever.
mircea_popescu: nature comes with a key shaped like that hole, it is called "apostasy is its own punishment".
asciilifeform: it does. problem is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759431 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:37 asciilifeform: it was always -ev, simply not on short enuff time scale.
asciilifeform: recall the cousin-fucking thread.
mircea_popescu: im not sure this is a problem. people use crapple os, an unsupported chain off the main v trunk as it is.
mircea_popescu: there is no difference between a patch unsigned and another patch unsigned, much like there's no difference between a nobody "gerald davis" and the exact same nobody "gerard david"
mircea_popescu: you know how many alt-mps the empire has summoned up as if it does something ?
asciilifeform: 'Федот, да не тот' (tm)(r)(aphorism)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, da ne tot in romanian means "give us everything"
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: but classic 'false cognate' (lol, ~entire sentence made of'em)
asciilifeform: this oughta be a genre...
mircea_popescu: yeah, but not in english
asciilifeform: uncle al had a german/english one
asciilifeform: but it escapes me
asciilifeform: ( i remember 1 key word, 'also' )
mircea_popescu: there's the buffalo item recently in trilema...
asciilifeform: afaik german is the only living lang close-enuff to stand a chance of working like this with eng
mircea_popescu: yea
BingoBoingo: The terror in people's eyes here when they talk of their trouble with "phrasal verbs"
BingoBoingo: It is like when I get surprised with yet another species of past tense
mircea_popescu: "tense" being nonsense in the first place. time + aspect, learn grammar properly if at all.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/28/three-week-in-montevideo-superpowers-and-handicaps-of-the-extranjero-engaged-in-long-term-hostel-living/ << Bingo Blog - Three Week In Montevideo: Superpowers and Handicaps of The Extranjero Engaged in Long Term Hostel Living
BingoBoingo: Pls to point out typos por favor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it piqued by the >> is piqued ?
BingoBoingo: gracias asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mised gender crowd >> mixed ?
asciilifeform: disabiguate >> disambiguate ?
asciilifeform: comb the thing yerself BingoBoingo , this one was typed on ipad or wat.
asciilifeform: or aspell -a etc.
asciilifeform: Yo se yo puedo tener hambre >> yo se que yo pudo....
asciilifeform: ward of delusions >> off ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Typed on exhausted brain. Breaking down the language barrier, exhausting.
BingoBoingo: Brb, spellcheck
asciilifeform: i'ma relent nao, srsly
asciilifeform: *puedo
BingoBoingo: updated post spell check
ben_vulpes: holy log already
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759407 << phf pasted me some emacs erc (irc client) auth scriptage way back in the gribble days which got him a rating, and trinque and i'd been drinking together in meatland, and hanging in previously a mentioned pantsuit hellhole irc channel and ricocheted off #b-a a few times (at my insistence iirc) before it stuck☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was here before asciilifeform , i think, and in the era prior to proper logging, so i have nfi where he came from
ben_vulpes: nah, kakologs were in place before i showed up
asciilifeform: ah hm.
asciilifeform: !#born ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: ^ phf et al : pheature req ?
phf: it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: lol i stuck my head into bitcointalk.org for all of ten minutes before i found hanbot's legendary piece and jumped to #b-a
asciilifeform possibly was the only 1 who skipped tardstalk entirely
phf: asciilifeform: no, i ultimately came here by way of loper-os
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: afaik phf is currently the all-star champ from that group
asciilifeform: the rest, variously, went mad
asciilifeform: ( or simply failed to reach takeoff velocity )
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Which legendary piece of hanbot's? There were many.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a mirror of the collection on mircea_popescu's www
asciilifeform: lessee if he digs up the link when he wakes up
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/
asciilifeform: ^ding^
phf: so it looks like i started reading loper-os in 2008 or so
asciilifeform meanwhile was watching zoolag sync, 'hmm 10min from nao' turned into hour+, and still 10blox behind. culprit seems to be a combo of 'everybody else is lagging' and 'flooded with mempool crud, and as result , not spending enuff time disconnecting unproductives and pushgetblocks()ing with novel peers'
BingoBoingo: brb, me voy a immersion
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !#born ben_vulpes << This would understate his age because, nick change
asciilifeform: fine, so #!born benkey
BingoBoingo: Similar for undata/trinque
asciilifeform: benkay
asciilifeform: alert reader (tm)(r) oughta know.
BingoBoingo: OMG I'll stop transmitting my contagious typos
BingoBoingo: me voy ahora para immerse
phf: !#vulpes
a111: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1336919#msg1336919 << ere it is
asciilifeform: oh hah i thought that www croaked long ago
ben_vulpes: nah, couldn't possibly cost more to run than it enables people to scam
asciilifeform currently puzzling over 'motherfuckers, e.g. deedbot is 501444-high, why is it physically possible for zoolag to have open connection to it and yet sit at 501436 for 20+ min'
ben_vulpes: i imagine it's in your addnode set?
asciilifeform: that does 0
asciilifeform: remember.
ben_vulpes: well at boot you pushgetblocks to everyone you connect to
asciilifeform: i run with aggression ( from this point on i will run NO nodes without aggression ) so boot time is irrelevant
phf: !#born benkey
ben_vulpes: processmessage, right right
asciilifeform: phf: benkay
phf: !#born benkay
a111: 2013-02-10 <benkay> i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
mod6: im running with alf's aggression now too.
asciilifeform: phf: neato!!
asciilifeform: !#born asciilifeform
a111: 2013-02-02 <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: working on it
phf: i think that maybe it should also return a link to original, or maybe post more than one line
asciilifeform: a yes
asciilifeform: link .
phf: !#born phf
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
mod6: im at ~500351 -- getting close to full-sync. hoping to get it there so can have mine on the republican list. will let you know how it goes with 'aggression'
mod6: !#born mod6
a111: 2012-08-17 <mod6> hai
mod6: heheh
asciilifeform: mod6: when i think about shitoshi's idiocy that 'aggression' replaces, i froth with rage. the sheer stink of winblowzism, 'let's all run nodes for 2h a day after booting winblowz to play whorecraft-III, boot time is sooospeshul'
asciilifeform feels quite like fool for not having patched it in first opening salvo after genesis
asciilifeform: aaaand...
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! zoolag -- seems to be at tip of the chain.
mod6: ah, cool.
asciilifeform: mod6 plox to re-add zoolag to trb roster.
asciilifeform: trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
mod6: Sure, what's the IP nowadays?
asciilifeform: same as previously
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694288☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 21:11 asciilifeform: zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 .
mod6: Ah, cheers.
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1317 << man...
asciilifeform: the bulldog-rhinoceros hybrid of having both pushes and pulls, is quite nonsensical
asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block
asciilifeform: ( any other, is either old, or an orphan )
asciilifeform: 99.99999%+ of what gets 'pushed' to a trb node, is thrown straight into the rubbish
asciilifeform: ( incl. tx )
asciilifeform: cuz 'no se fia'
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490595 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
asciilifeform: in mostly but not wholly-unrelated noose, asciilifeform searched the market for little lcd thing one could plug into usb jack, to have trbtron display height at all times while it sits on the shelf. but TO THIS DAY none exist that cost less than THE FUCKING MACHINE lol
asciilifeform: and not because display expensive -- i have e.g. chinese usb 'watt meter' dongle with display, that cost iirc 3bux
asciilifeform: simply because apparently 'no demand'
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/28/the-little-elf-that-saved-christmas/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The little Elf that saved Christmas.
asciilifeform: ^ next: the little pe that saved christmas
asciilifeform: ( and was it a 32-bit or 64- elf... )
asciilifeform: 'The Apple TV was connected to a Bose CineMate soundbar via Optical Audio connection but the Bose system was in indeterminable working condition. For reasons beyond the pale of explanation or sanity, the Bose system didn’t have any physical buttons on it. Not for power, not for volume, not for anything.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: 'When AirPlaying from each of them, however, Netflix would throw “Error 30103″ every goddam time' << ahahaha
asciilifeform: poor pete_dushenski
shinohai: heh https://1209k.com/bp/
asciilifeform: wassat
shinohai: a prb chain paradise!
asciilifeform: snoar
shinohai: saves me from having to run the trash myself, im poor!
asciilifeform: saves how ?
shinohai: if i am curious to know what height the btrash is at, etc
asciilifeform: no shortage of www frontends for those iirc
shinohai: well certainly not
asciilifeform: meanwhile zoolag, a machine the size of a man's fist, not only has 0 problem keeping up with tip of spear, but slightly pacing ahead of, e.g., bci & co
asciilifeform: ( however, possibly it is , to be fair, on an uncharacteristically decent, for plebelands, pipe . )
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << updated with zoolag
asciilifeform: ty mod6 !
mod6: np
phf: asciilifeform: zoolag running with your new patches?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: well just that 1
asciilifeform: born from classical 'makefiles' (via mod6)
asciilifeform: see also phf's chart!
phf: !#born phf
a111: Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
phf: !#born phf
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
asciilifeform: canhaz links?
phf: lesse
phf: !#born phf
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570859
asciilifeform: whynot on same line, like log refs
asciilifeform: keep the 1:1 eaten:shat rule for bots
phf: i think deedbot spits two entries sometimes with the wallet functionality
asciilifeform: troo
asciilifeform: how about, e.g.: 'http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570859 : Logged on: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
phf: yeah
phf: but the main reason is that i realized that cl-irc probably doesn't properly split lines, which needs to be solved
phf: which i think is a problem in quoter, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758552☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
phf: missing "atever, bucnha them"
phf: but i'm not sure that i want it to spit that extra bit, even though it's missing, hmm...
phf: aaaand since i don't want to think about any of this shit right now, you get a multiline born until i get to it :>
asciilifeform: still quiteuseful.
ben_vulpes: "Few things here appear to be more rare or valuable than persons capable and willing to deploy humiliation, particularly the necessary educational sort." << word
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "gansta roll"
phf: !!key spyked
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
phf: asciilifeform: sigs up
asciilifeform: phf: ty!
phf: asciilifeform: https://www.patreon.com/xahlee
asciilifeform: nao if only d00d had a key!!
asciilifeform: because as-is, i've nfi who that is.
asciilifeform: 'shakespeare or some other man by that name'
asciilifeform: in other oddities: 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=1073741825 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n'
asciilifeform: ^ nonfatal eggog, but interestingly not caught by malleus, and afaik not previously seen
asciilifeform: #!s type=1073741825
asciilifeform: !#s type=1073741825
a111: 2 results for "type=1073741825", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=type%3D1073741825
asciilifeform: ^ if anybody knows what kind of prb generates these, and for what, plox to write in.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect an attempted overflow exploit, against something-or-other )
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 3: Miller-Rabin Implementation
phf: diana_coman: i think there might be an issue with your ch3
diana_coman: I just noticed the weird graph; any idea what?
diana_coman: I tested it locally with v and v99 and everything pressed fine
diana_coman: it does modify a lot of things so it's seen as having antecedents ch1, ch2 and the mpi-fix iirc
diana_coman: is that the trouble?
diana_coman: phf, ^
phf: so the weird graph indicates that some hunks are missing antecedents, in this case at least test_mpi.c is claiming a previous version that's not in btcbase
phf: 7E38475A32331EA69EE91A211E803910503868710D1E140179CB4B9B7C3767B9334BABE713D8E721F6E616A5FD5012ED19791D12CF2EAD59C5DAC437688E0B2C
diana_coman: I've updated the reference shelf phf, maybe you are missing the previous patch? http://www.dianacoman.com/reference-code-shelf/
phf: ah, the fix copy thing!
phf: diana_coman: is working now, ty
diana_coman: thank you, phf!
danielpbarron: !!up pint
deedbot: pint voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !!up pint
deedbot: pint voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
trinque: that was odd.
trinque: Connection reset by peer << aha
trinque: !!up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hm
trinque: bot was getting disconnected due to mysterytube reasons. your pm !!up might work now
mircea_popescu: lessee
ben_vulpes: did we do http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42505261 yet?
phf: ^ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759378☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 03:31 shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
ben_vulpes: that's right
mircea_popescu: lol the pantsuit spamsites just recycle the same "content" ? who couldve...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759713 << lol.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 16:56 phf: it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759720 << nah, apeloyee character also from there iirc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 16:58 asciilifeform: the rest, variously, went mad
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759732 << but how are you to know.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:15 asciilifeform: fine, so #!born benkey
mircea_popescu: also, simply !~from:benkay and go to last page.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-10#-130013☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-02-10 04:08 benkay: i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759782 << yes, pushdata is nonsensical model for bitcoin nodes.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:37 asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block
mircea_popescu: works ok for eg torrents, where all data is needed once in no particular order, but blockchain is not torrent.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759788 << o shit that was one helluva slum.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:38 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759799 << some dood, "fireduck"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:45 asciilifeform: wassat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759827 << the rule is "one line response" and yes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 18:17 asciilifeform: keep the 1:1 eaten:shat rule for bots
mircea_popescu: motherfucking patreon
mircea_popescu: i am personally insulted by all the useless fuckwits with patreon profiles because unlike the useless fuckwits a la say rms, they MOVED THERE AFTER THE REPUBLIC.
mircea_popescu: this is like "keybase" except more offensive.
danielpbarron: i had that earlier today, went to #somechannel saying i want to sponsor show. they give me patreon link
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759851 << modern prb. "it just segfaulted, man"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 19:32 asciilifeform: ^ nonfatal eggog, but interestingly not caught by malleus, and afaik not previously seen
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron idiots gotta idiot, they're not fucking dedicated to ANYTHING like they';re dedicated to the maintenance and perpetuation of the empire of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: seething fucking burning hatred already, jesus f.
danielpbarron: they also gave me a gmail address, for what that's worth. i'm like "what's wrong with doing it right here??"
mircea_popescu: no conception of anything is what's wrong.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759874 << whoa check out how deep the forbes subversion goes, they actually hired one who knows enough of ru society to "fall upon his house".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 21:37 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
mircea_popescu: putting the usd and euro "values" as if they existed or mattered up top is one thing. but this, thbis is liek moar skill and ability than seen from usg in 20 years.
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaah
mircea_popescu: ooomfg holy shit...
mircea_popescu: "Или думаешь, что вырвешься. Потому что эти несколько лет вдруг прервутся сообщением — «Бардин умер». Вас также может заинтересовать..."
mircea_popescu: im going to make this the permanent reference endpoint to that entire story of how sane language protects the speaker from idiocy as a passive aura.
mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
mircea_popescu: "the computing centers, tired of routine, seized the novelty" holy crap. moscow station last functional usg item, defo.
shinohai: I missed the pantsuit drama yesterday http://archive.is/bpJUc
mircea_popescu: lol all the self important "i'll read something else". really bitch ? what will you read, trilema ?
mircea_popescu: as if there's fucking options at their level. "oh, i am destitute but have options!!1"
mircea_popescu: "daniel is a bot" "how can you tell it's a bot ?" "because i don;t like what it says, but let's veil this into some numerology considerations". hurr.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759857 << oh hey hey hey lbj!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 20:27 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 3: Miller-Rabin Implementation
asciilifeform puts ^item on read-conveyor
shinohai: "'Cryptocurrency enthusiast and cybersecurity pioneer John McAfee has claimed that his Twitter account was compromised by an unknown offender who used his social media account to fraudulently promote “undervalued” digital coins.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759874 >> 'России на этой встрече предложили оплатить взнос в группу, сообразно размеру сети. И выяснилось, что Россия (напомню, 90-е годы, денег нет ни у кого и никаких) должна заплатить больше, чем Англия, Франция и Германия вм☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 21:37 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
asciilifeform: есте взятые. Бардин взял слово и заявил, что заплатить согласен, но если деньги будут потрачены согласно уставу организации — на доведение уровня развития реципиентов бюджета до уровня доноров. И если Англия с Францией на эти деньги будут
asciilifeform: рушить мосты и ломать дороги, то мы, конечно, оплатим. Англия с Францией подумали, и претензии к России умерили.' << i had nfi
asciilifeform: 'russia [at eu unix user group] was invited to pay a membership due in proportion to its network size. it turned out that russia (remember, '90s, nobody's got any kind of moneys whatsoever) must pay more than england, france, and germany put together. bardin took the stage and proclaimed that he is ready to pay, but only if the money will be used in accordance with the organization's charter -- to bring the development level of the r
asciilifeform: ecipients to that of the donor's. and if england and france will put this money to use to demolish bridges and bread down roads, then we of course will pay. england and france thought about it, and their dispute with russia died down.'
asciilifeform: *break down
asciilifeform: 'Наверное, до конца своих дней Валера Бардин остался советским человеком — мне кажется, он не умел делать вещи, полезные лично ему, или какой-то отдельной группе. Всем. Или никому. Мы все когда-то были такими. Мы. Люди из уничтоженной страны.
asciilifeform: И, может быть, еще будем. Может быть это именно то, чему стоило учиться у Валерия Бардина. Когда он был.' <<
asciilifeform: 'perhaps, to the end of his days, valeriy bardin remained a soviet man -- it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country. and, perhaps, will be again. perhaps this was specifically the thing which was worth learning from valeriy bardin. when he was still there.'
mircea_popescu: see ?
mircea_popescu: epic fucking piece.
asciilifeform pulls out imaginary notebook and tried to predict, before eating rest of log, how mircea_popescu barfed
mircea_popescu waves at the moscow usg residentura.
asciilifeform: ok, ate the log, but puzzled
asciilifeform: what's in it for the rezidentura
mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fate of the lost is that they continue at their level of skill.
asciilifeform: i still dungetit, is there hoap
mircea_popescu: kinda why lemures/spectra/etc were scary to teh romans.
asciilifeform: it reads like a genuine obit by a genuine man of a genuine man..
mircea_popescu: these are the spirits of the dead, unsatiated, restless, unburied.
mircea_popescu: they attained no closure, yet can't go.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759922 << and yes it's plastered in spamola. confession : until today asciilifeform did not know there WAS a ru forbes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 22:34 mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
asciilifeform: what's next, a ru nyt ? wapo?
asciilifeform: radio phree europe!111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you read "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country" other than a) a retcon of history (soviet man EMINENTLY was never like this,. but like the opposite of this) and b) "please please please let there be no republc please" rendered in prolix sty
mircea_popescu: le ?
asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu guess
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: nope )
mircea_popescu: forbes ru exists to lend credence to the empty notion that forbes is a thing, which is no different from the proposition best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com is a thing.
asciilifeform: if it's a usg.op, it's to prop up the rest of the forbes liquishit with this eminently respectable piece.
mircea_popescu: and the dollar is "quoted" in rubles to propose that anyone would ever want to buy some.
mircea_popescu: and the piece is OF a respectable man, but not by a respectable man, though the quality of the masquerade is indeed high.
asciilifeform: i dun see it. because, guesswat, asciilifeform is exactly same type of man .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i seem to think parts of dead frog behave more convincingly than other parts.
mircea_popescu: eg, the salted leg in moscow jumps!
phf: zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse
asciilifeform: and i unzip and piss on the other type of man. the ones who tried to alchemize and monopolize the unix src, described in $article.
mircea_popescu: but the point is not that.
mircea_popescu: the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?
mircea_popescu: which soviet i never saw was this ?!
asciilifeform: the point is apparently that the paragraph where item falls down for mircea_popescu , is where it... stands up for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: well then, explain this to me.
asciilifeform: essence is, i think, that d00d did not charge-for-sunlight and didn't think much of people who tried.
mircea_popescu: like, let's have an example of any item, mechanism, anything recognizably soviet that worked as described.
asciilifeform: and this was respectable, and respected. it was ~ideal~ of 'sov man', not necessarily life.
mircea_popescu: man at shop where they don't hjave meat said, "well, if there's not enough meat for the whole queue, i take no meat" ?
mircea_popescu: did this occur anywhere ?
asciilifeform: y'know, like http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 is idea.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
asciilifeform: *ideal
mircea_popescu: but this isn't in any sense what's said.
asciilifeform: fughet about the meat counter and the Official claptrap.
asciilifeform: it's a religious ideal.
phf: there's soviets that read "ponedelnik nachinayetsa..." and took it to heart, they proped up the rest of the charade. that's the ideal soviet man, that products of intelligentsia parents like ascii or myself talk about. it is obviously a chimera, but it still has a mythical value
asciilifeform: like the dervish.
mircea_popescu: phf which is why this dude is trying to help forbes sell.
mircea_popescu: it's what we expect to see, isn't it ? usg is specifically the empire of "there's a difference between what is and what you want to see, and we live out of selling that"
asciilifeform: it's not an ideal of the office plankton, of the обыватель ( ~burgher ) mushmind, no. it is ideal of the man of science.
phf: i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ideal of the soviet man of science is that until such a time as every last soviet citizen can follow brin the elder, no brin the elder should speak ?
mircea_popescu: no child left behind was the soviet ideal ? really ?
mircea_popescu: i guess i should read less russian and more clintonian.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is no actual connection between your map and the territory. it's dust on yer lens.
mircea_popescu: phf entirely not true.
mircea_popescu: the point of an obituary is to satisfy the spirit of the departed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where ?
asciilifeform: where 'no child left behind' even enters yer mind.
asciilifeform: 0 connection.
mircea_popescu: phf by the time you write obituaries "istos plausus, cum popularibus civibus tribuerentur", you have already done the deed, and now work for forbes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what does "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody." mean here in your reading ?
asciilifeform: item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'
mircea_popescu: consider specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
mircea_popescu: does this meet your criteria for " he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group" ?
asciilifeform: sure does. and i , and e.g. phf, are alive because of kurchatov. moar directly than from penicillin etc.
mircea_popescu: (note that i ~can~ both follow and support the reading of the man's words that'd permit you to say "Yes" ; however it'd be very much a sopirla, and well distant from what "plain reading" delivers.)
mircea_popescu: ie, the illiterate 20something reader will read something else.
asciilifeform: now this i cannot touch, i have deeply nfi what sort of cockroaches are chittering in typical '20something reader'.
mircea_popescu: but!
mircea_popescu: think : kurchatov eminently supported a primitive republic AGAINST "everyone".
mircea_popescu: what he did was IN SPITE of the politruk, not for the politruk.
asciilifeform: nobody alive actually 'for everyone'.
mircea_popescu: he created a partition over the statal space, and choose some bits.
asciilifeform: nobody outside of psych ward, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is directly contradicting the words.
mircea_popescu: here, i have a soviet joke for you :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.
mircea_popescu: at the inspector's puzzled query, asciilifeform responded "it's clear he meant tea rather than coffee by that request".
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: the story would work just as well but better with the coffee/tea switched, but i did it this way in memory of the master nikolay pushkin.
mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too!
asciilifeform: possibly the 'Всем.' will make moarsense in light of the sov mythos where, e.g., pygmies in the jungle still in the end will win from newton publishing 'principia', because one day They Too will want to learn mechanics and build railways and so forth.
mircea_popescu: the argument is not that usian socialism is utterly and entirely disjunct from soviet socialism
mircea_popescu: "in the absolute ideals spehre" or however formulated
mircea_popescu: at the very least because, obviously, no two things man-made can be entirely disjunct thereby.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless! the "genuine similarity" as one might in sufficient analysis passes unearth, is spurious when compared to the evident construction and its evident goals.
asciilifeform: the argument , in asciilifeform's reading, is that bardin was a Troo Man Of Science (tm)(r) , liek the fella who starved in the seed collection in sieged leningrad. i.e. instead of going to sell soap and getrichquick(tm) in 'cooperatives', blackmarketeering, misc. adventurism, d00d sat and built up usenet node in su. collected unix src into a working whole, and did not try to gatekeeper. etc