a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 15:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone intellectually honest still holds any notion that the prb crew is in any way working to fix or improve bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:14 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
mircea_popescu: not sure it's worth actually getting this anal, but w/e
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:19 asciilifeform: somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:20 phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
phf: nah, ircii is 1980s, 2.1.4 is 1990s release
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:27 phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:39 phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
phf: you can use ipad with a bluetooth keyboard!!1
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:48 phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
mircea_popescu: absent that... you're typing on a bluepad itooth regardless.
mircea_popescu: this very basic confrontation of cain is an utterly necessary, fundamental building block of respirable cosmos.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:49 asciilifeform: ( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form )
mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i am convinced that all these useless foreigners had not an inkling of an idea that they're trading their ancestral land for the sack of shiny baubles, simply no conception whatsoever. "what, there's something wrong with codebase increase ?" they might ask, with all the endearing pathetism of well meaning senility, in the same tone as they might ask "where am i ? could you take me home ?", lost at a crowded crossroads.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:52 asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 01:51 mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
mircea_popescu: this is somewhat dubious. ww2 engagement not "sold ru resources ie mirvnik fat" but "invested" ?
mircea_popescu: and no, t-cell doth not perceive hiv virus, nor fish the polyp on its gills etc.
mircea_popescu: dog, maybe. then again dog eats shit does not perceive ascaris etc
mircea_popescu: this is an open issue. "on the pipe" also not voluntary txn
mircea_popescu: china HAD TO trade its mirvnik fat, and it's what powered its conversion from ~india to ~us.
mircea_popescu: russia idem had to. much less profitably, because turns out torturing your fellow countryman is better for the country than torturing the environment.
mircea_popescu: optimal investment in the other (as teh sartrean notion) is putting them into pain.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental counterintuitive coernerstone of civilisation : always better to beat the wife and children than to beat the walls and fields.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 18:06 phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 19:43 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 00:26 shinohai:
http://archive.is/EwgIC <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
☟︎ shinohai: heh i got txt on screen, no video
phf: heh, i was prepared to be disappointed, but the op, as they say, delivered
mircea_popescu: real price of dollars is almost certainly 0.00000000 bitcoin, however.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let them "could be" and "we said to ourselves and then believed" and so on until the rapetruck comes.
mircea_popescu: not like there's any further utility in the fiatard lands.
mircea_popescu: in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to quote tlp, "half of america said hell ya, let's kick some ass and the other half rolled its eyes and was totally like don't you guys know we suck now ?"
mircea_popescu: yet by comparison to the femprop the pantsuits are pouring out this decade, brainless "action" movies of the 90s are grandiloquent cinematic accomplishments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions << I looked at "Mac Stadium" but ended up going with Joe's Datacenter before the payment portion of Joe's website went full NameCheap retard.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps you fill a 1U tray with them and pack it into your checked luggage? If you worry about their conenctivity it is very possible to negotiate them their own dedicated or asymmetrical line.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too. << Aha, since the aggressing started and some trb nodes changed ver string my nodes have had an easier time staying at the tip
BingoBoingo: So last night I returned from una cita con una chica to discover a concert on the roof of the hostel was winding down. While I rehydrated drinking copious agua buena other guests at the hostel consulted me for answers to "What's good in Montevideo"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 06:12 mircea_popescu: in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 17:24 asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:29 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758743 << this historically worked CONSIDERABLY better than 'let's throw the reddit toilet into reverse gear and see what crawls out of the pipe'
mircea_popescu: so yes, the move to conscription is a matter of when, not of if.
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that most nobles dun wanna upkeep their castles for some reason. i'm hoping it's mostly misunderstanding teh future in the benign sense of "really, didn't give this much thought"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
BingoBoingo keeping quiet castle in #agriculturalsupremacy though meeting people and perhaps soon Serfing to fill
mircea_popescu: now THAT'd be a golden nut to crack. though i have ~0 hope of it ever working.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: well, many things depend on one's patience with die grinder. Slow sure, but most people may benefit from having a sort of meditative activity.
mircea_popescu: agricultural supremacy ~= john deere (THAT is a place "self-driving" has utility btw) + monsanto genetic "engineering":
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a situation where it is -ev to chemicalize/engineer.
mircea_popescu: female agriculture is a fine example of what cracked nut would be. try to make one out of rubber and "nlp", get what's coming to ye.
shinohai: basidiocarps sprout from floor and deliver sound rogering
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches. << anti-intellectual sheen is part of the appeal of having named castle thusly, scares those who need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you drastically underestimate how cheap electricity actually is.
mircea_popescu: it's like saying "the reason 1990s girls are emo is that 1950 style vinly and kitchen aprons are expensive"
BingoBoingo: Kind of how I was telling other people at hostel that when you make eye contact with everyone you come across on your walk, you tend not to get acosted
mircea_popescu: no they aren't lmao. the "consensus" of herdemocracy is just not to produce it.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:12 asciilifeform: then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they self-support. WAY the fuck more expensive to have 1st nuke power plant than to add the 1001th to a 1000 fleet.
BingoBoingo described US agriculture to the Brasileros. "In Estados Unidos, corn is grown and converted to sugar. Anything else costs too much to do. All of the livestock subsist on fermented corn chaff."
mircea_popescu: and nobody wants to look at why both a) romania became industrial power and b) romania was the only above-water state during crisis.
mircea_popescu: imbecile austrians, that DID convince the world hitler was german and mozart austrian, NEVERTHELESS DID NOT!!!! figure out why they come to bucharest to seek money in 2007.
mircea_popescu: well, you know that time the caer came up with idea of making eastern europe agricultural zone, and ceausescu threatened to quit the warsaw pact ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 10-20k rods a year. this is not a lot objectively, but it keeps the item going
mircea_popescu: (they're about 10TJ for lifetime, so whole factory makes say petaJ/year)
BingoBoingo: In other news, on January 5th or 8th tentatively penciling in an appointment with the data center to hammer out more details, pricing information, etc. By that point there should be a business to do contract signing even if banking continues to be a challenge.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ro maintains very lively solid state physics programme at universities (mostly, buchjarest/magurele), i would not be surprised if they had one on the grounds.
mircea_popescu: if /me ran the whole thing, item'd be used for all it's worth (less importantly, give promising kids a chance to learn what critical safety is ; more importantly, give promising kids chance to exclude themselves on grounds of can not keep a secret. "big hush" the secret thorium reactor would be lynchpin of the whole thing)
shinohai: i still wanna know why Romania let Chad get away with stealing their flag.
mircea_popescu: it's so tantalizingly perfect it'd be hard to believe not used while not believing people involved are all rank idiots.
mircea_popescu: shinohai retarded brits maneuvering themselves into trying to matter. when hatman visited queen, some local fuckwits organised a buncha streetwalkers to pretend like they represent "the gypsy community" and "independently want to be called romania from now on". because
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739911 wasn't invented by ustards, they just copied.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 20:41 mircea_popescu: there's a great southpark episode explaining how this false dychotomy is intended to work in practice (i'm a bit couintry & im a bit rock and roll item)
mircea_popescu: "wut is hatman gonna do, not go into queen carriage???"
shinohai: aha praise be to the logs, and a South Park episode to boot!
mircea_popescu: eh, london. fuck london, nobody is ever going there again.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2^2048)^6/log(2^14)^6
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)**6/log(2**14)**6
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: log(2) = 0.30102999566398114
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 2**2048
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2^4 = 16
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 23:19 asciilifeform: btw that french aks is geological. n==11701 has been running for 10+ minutes, and is on ~9600; author's code indicates that answer appears at iteration 1000000007. that'd be 723 days on this box.
mircea_popescu: if it takes 723 days, the item would STILL complete within the lifetime of the republic, which is to say roughly speaking 723 × 146 × 2 / 365 = 578.4 years.
mircea_popescu: especially if esthlos comes up with some fast implementation
mircea_popescu: whole point of exercise was, slow, yes, but actually not slow enough to discard entirely out of hand
mircea_popescu: the major advantage of ever seeing a log in the big O is that well... log promises very good returns at end tail!
mircea_popescu: when a complexity calculation returns a result in logs.
mircea_popescu: there's outright cleverness, like that guy's method to compute inside pi ; and then there's just sheer good fucking fortune, like karatsuba.
mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's quite fucking obvious that you don't need to computhe the 5th decimal of pi to compute the billionth, if you just put down the bottle for one moment.
mircea_popescu: admittedly putting down bottle hard to do, all this self-determination and choice-having and gotta watch teh tv gets in the way. but anwyay.
BingoBoingo: Eh, if one bottles right eventually surrender comes and choice having space narrows
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if i did this before, but let's put it in the logs at the risk of repeating self.
mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
☟︎ mircea_popescu: human civilisation is entirely dependent on iron being present within its early environment. while it's true that iron is overwhelmingly abundant on earth, making up as it does 1/3 of it by mass, it is nevertheless also heavy enough to not be abundant on the surface. it is abundant in the core only. the surface iron comes from ancient collision with tinier earths that, like this one, had an iron-ish core, which core then ends
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cirrhosis is usually has acute and reversible alcoholic hepatits as a herald well in advance of cirrhosis, if not problem space still narrows
mircea_popescu: now, those peoples that did have iron in the environment, flourished. those that did not, became the fuckign tupi, stuck forever in stone age.
mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: Eh, iron core's just global wanking conspiracy shit. Uranium core or bust!
mircea_popescu: this is not a singular example, it is a pattern, and a pattern that VERY insistently repeats.
mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you look at the history of the human thought, a certain sense of "stairwell" does become apparent -- they did x which suddenly made y feasible and guess what ? sooner or later (usually, later : see gunpowder steam engine and all the numerous examples we keep rehashing in logs) they'd y!
mircea_popescu: now, from a strict probabilistic perspective, there's nothing evidently requiring ALL the god damned stairs to be one foot tall at the most. yet, they all are.
mircea_popescu: evidently this is a matter of selected group, humanity only ever took thesteps it could take, so its whole stairwell will be bound by what a biosack shaped like human could overstep
mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS!!! there are MANY!!! steps in this ladder, that all occured.
mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (lit hum includes all sciences from agriculture to string theory + philosophy, for the record)
mircea_popescu: (and evidently, if this is not evident, the argument is not limited to culture ; theory of evolution proposes a succession of steps to arrive to humanoid, that all similarily also happened. wel...)
mircea_popescu: and since i mentioned that : religion simply means acknowledgement of one's betters. it's all it is, worthip of the superior.
mircea_popescu: that's what "caesar was proclaimed god" means, to the roman mind.
mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate of any functional republic, res divinae, the two together forming... a religion.
mircea_popescu: which is WHY i kept chuckling at inept illiterate imbeciles herp-derping about "oh, a cult".
mircea_popescu: turns out... it fucking helps having the letters, at the very least if you are intent on interacting with one who does.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:28 mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
mircea_popescu: sort-of akin to running mt_rand on (0, infinity) and expecting results to fit a register.
mircea_popescu: (i deliberately said "a guy like einstein" to avoid the history discussion)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:30 mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:31 mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
mircea_popescu: he's stuck putting in there material we only reliably get log(n) of
mircea_popescu: which is funny because foretold -- see euler's count of prime numbers.
mircea_popescu: "for them to find four i gotta put in ten, and it gets worse as you go further"
mircea_popescu: turns out that the first and perhaps only possible result of natural philosophy is to explain why divine anger is necessary and justified.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu sings, "you would be angry too... if it happened... tooo yoooou"
mircea_popescu: (as to domus and personal divinity -- slavegirls regularily apologize for "not having managed more". because it's true, the fundamental with a view to only interaction with the superior is built out of the vague regret of one's own insufficiency. da fuck else is there.)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or BingoBoingo 's uranium. three heads, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: (for the astrophysics noobs : material composition of any corner of space is determined by supernova/plain star proportion, which as best anyone can determine is the only true random variable in nature)
mircea_popescu: (reason earth is fulla iron is that gold needs a discretely different star to produce ; yes there's a continuous mass consideration involoved, but the results -- discretized)
BingoBoingo: Ah, nuclear chemistry. Where integers make all the difference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for they clamoring for references -- the complete works of varro (such as they remain) are most instructive here.
mircea_popescu: perfectly respectable anthropologist to this very day, in preference of most anyone ever born in an english speaking household, and certainly anyone born in the colonies.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a lot of it is guessable on the basis of, mostly stoic re-write.
mircea_popescu: the poets/philosophers/civil servants tripartite discussion of divinity most indicative.
mircea_popescu: so in the same sense the french/swiss folk could almost-read unpublished newton on the basis of their own understanding of calculus...
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14328.86, vol: 18062.50528010 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14130.0, vol: 79070.56865041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14352.1, vol: 4760.58484451 | Volume-weighted last average: 14175.6283124
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu savagely fucked sleeping girl ; after which, taking advantage of well known property of dreams to be recountable if dreamer suddenly awakened, asked what she had been dreaming of.
mircea_popescu: i advised her to be careful what she dreams of in the future.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 17:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:43 mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
mircea_popescu: but the discussion here is merely "how to enforce a correct chain of patches"
mircea_popescu: it mearly meant this much, that it'd be a chain of patches.
mircea_popescu: software'd better not be immutable either, lest we're stuck with c.
mircea_popescu: nature comes with a key shaped like that hole, it is called "apostasy is its own punishment".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:37 asciilifeform: it was always -ev, simply not on short enuff time scale.
mircea_popescu: im not sure this is a problem. people use crapple os, an unsupported chain off the main v trunk as it is.
mircea_popescu: there is no difference between a patch unsigned and another patch unsigned, much like there's no difference between a nobody "gerald davis" and the exact same nobody "gerard david"
mircea_popescu: you know how many alt-mps the empire has summoned up as if it does something ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, da ne tot in romanian means "give us everything"
BingoBoingo: The terror in people's eyes here when they talk of their trouble with "phrasal verbs"
BingoBoingo: It is like when I get surprised with yet another species of past tense
mircea_popescu: "tense" being nonsense in the first place. time + aspect, learn grammar properly if at all.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Typed on exhausted brain. Breaking down the language barrier, exhausting.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759407 << phf pasted me some emacs erc (irc client) auth scriptage way back in the gribble days which got him a rating, and trinque and i'd been drinking together in meatland, and hanging in previously a mentioned pantsuit hellhole irc channel and ricocheted off #b-a a few times (at my insistence iirc) before it stuck
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.
ben_vulpes: nah, kakologs were in place before i showed up
phf: it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: lol i stuck my head into bitcointalk.org for all of ten minutes before i found hanbot's legendary piece and jumped to #b-a
phf: asciilifeform: no, i ultimately came here by way of loper-os
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Which legendary piece of hanbot's? There were many.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one
phf: so it looks like i started reading loper-os in 2008 or so
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !#born ben_vulpes << This would understate his age because, nick change
BingoBoingo: OMG I'll stop transmitting my contagious typos
a111: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
ben_vulpes: nah, couldn't possibly cost more to run than it enables people to scam
ben_vulpes: well at boot you pushgetblocks to everyone you connect to
a111: 2013-02-10 <benkay> i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
mod6: im running with alf's aggression now too.
a111: 2013-02-02 <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: working on it
phf: i think that maybe it should also return a link to original, or maybe post more than one line
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
mod6: im at ~500351 -- getting close to full-sync. hoping to get it there so can have mine on the republican list. will let you know how it goes with 'aggression'
a111: 2012-08-17 <mod6> hai
mod6: Sure, what's the IP nowadays?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 21:11 asciilifeform: zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 .
shinohai: saves me from having to run the trash myself, im poor!
shinohai: if i am curious to know what height the btrash is at, etc
phf: asciilifeform: zoolag running with your new patches?
a111: Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
a111: 2014-03-20 <phf> not quite
phf: i think deedbot spits two entries sometimes with the wallet functionality
a111: Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
phf: but the main reason is that i realized that cl-irc probably doesn't properly split lines, which needs to be solved
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
phf: missing "atever, bucnha them"
phf: but i'm not sure that i want it to spit that extra bit, even though it's missing, hmm...
phf: aaaand since i don't want to think about any of this shit right now, you get a multiline born until i get to it :>
ben_vulpes: "Few things here appear to be more rare or valuable than persons capable and willing to deploy humiliation, particularly the necessary educational sort." << word
phf: asciilifeform: sigs up
phf: diana_coman: i think there might be an issue with your ch3
diana_coman: I just noticed the weird graph; any idea what?
diana_coman: I tested it locally with v and v99 and everything pressed fine
diana_coman: it does modify a lot of things so it's seen as having antecedents ch1, ch2 and the mpi-fix iirc
phf: so the weird graph indicates that some hunks are missing antecedents, in this case at least test_mpi.c is claiming a previous version that's not in btcbase
phf: 7E38475A32331EA69EE91A211E803910503868710D1E140179CB4B9B7C3767B9334BABE713D8E721F6E616A5FD5012ED19791D12CF2EAD59C5DAC437688E0B2C
phf: ah, the fix copy thing!
phf: diana_coman: is working now, ty
deedbot: pint voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: pint voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: Connection reset by peer << aha
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: bot was getting disconnected due to mysterytube reasons. your pm !!up might work now
mircea_popescu: lol the pantsuit spamsites just recycle the same "content" ? who couldve...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 16:56 phf: it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 16:58 asciilifeform: the rest, variously, went mad
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:15 asciilifeform: fine, so #!born benkey
a111: Logged on 2013-02-10 04:08 benkay: i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:37 asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block
mircea_popescu: works ok for eg torrents, where all data is needed once in no particular order, but blockchain is not torrent.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:45 asciilifeform: wassat
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 18:17 asciilifeform: keep the 1:1 eaten:shat rule for bots
mircea_popescu: i am personally insulted by all the useless fuckwits with patreon profiles because unlike the useless fuckwits a la say rms, they MOVED THERE AFTER THE REPUBLIC.
danielpbarron: i had that earlier today, went to #somechannel saying i want to sponsor show. they give me patreon link
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 19:32 asciilifeform: ^ nonfatal eggog, but interestingly not caught by malleus, and afaik not previously seen
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron idiots gotta idiot, they're not fucking dedicated to ANYTHING like they';re dedicated to the maintenance and perpetuation of the empire of idiocy.
danielpbarron: they also gave me a gmail address, for what that's worth. i'm like "what's wrong with doing it right here??"
mircea_popescu: putting the usd and euro "values" as if they existed or mattered up top is one thing. but this, thbis is liek moar skill and ability than seen from usg in 20 years.
mircea_popescu: "Или думаешь, что вырвешься. Потому что эти несколько лет вдруг прервутся сообщением — «Бардин умер». Вас также может заинтересовать..."
mircea_popescu: im going to make this the permanent reference endpoint to that entire story of how sane language protects the speaker from idiocy as a passive aura.
mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "the computing centers, tired of routine, seized the novelty" holy crap. moscow station last functional usg item, defo.
mircea_popescu: lol all the self important "i'll read something else". really bitch ? what will you read, trilema ?
mircea_popescu: as if there's fucking options at their level. "oh, i am destitute but have options!!1"
mircea_popescu: "daniel is a bot" "how can you tell it's a bot ?" "because i don;t like what it says, but let's veil this into some numerology considerations". hurr.
shinohai: "'Cryptocurrency enthusiast and cybersecurity pioneer John McAfee has claimed that his Twitter account was compromised by an unknown offender who used his social media account to fraudulently promote “undervalued” digital coins.'
mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fate of the lost is that they continue at their level of skill.
mircea_popescu: kinda why lemures/spectra/etc were scary to teh romans.
mircea_popescu: these are the spirits of the dead, unsatiated, restless, unburied.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 22:34 mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you read "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country" other than a) a retcon of history (soviet man EMINENTLY was never like this,. but like the opposite of this) and b) "please please please let there be no republc please" rendered in prolix sty
mircea_popescu: forbes ru exists to lend credence to the empty notion that forbes is a thing, which is no different from the proposition best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com is a thing.
mircea_popescu: and the dollar is "quoted" in rubles to propose that anyone would ever want to buy some.
mircea_popescu: and the piece is OF a respectable man, but not by a respectable man, though the quality of the masquerade is indeed high.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i seem to think parts of dead frog behave more convincingly than other parts.
phf: zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?
mircea_popescu: like, let's have an example of any item, mechanism, anything recognizably soviet that worked as described.
mircea_popescu: man at shop where they don't hjave meat said, "well, if there's not enough meat for the whole queue, i take no meat" ?
phf: there's soviets that read "ponedelnik nachinayetsa..." and took it to heart, they proped up the rest of the charade. that's the ideal soviet man, that products of intelligentsia parents like ascii or myself talk about. it is obviously a chimera, but it still has a mythical value
mircea_popescu: phf which is why this dude is trying to help forbes sell.
mircea_popescu: it's what we expect to see, isn't it ? usg is specifically the empire of "there's a difference between what is and what you want to see, and we live out of selling that"
phf: i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ideal of the soviet man of science is that until such a time as every last soviet citizen can follow brin the elder, no brin the elder should speak ?
mircea_popescu: i guess i should read less russian and more clintonian.
mircea_popescu: the point of an obituary is to satisfy the spirit of the departed.
mircea_popescu: phf by the time you write obituaries "istos plausus, cum popularibus civibus tribuerentur", you have already done the deed, and now work for forbes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what does "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody." mean here in your reading ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
mircea_popescu: does this meet your criteria for " he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group" ?
mircea_popescu: (note that i ~can~ both follow and support the reading of the man's words that'd permit you to say "Yes" ; however it'd be very much a sopirla, and well distant from what "plain reading" delivers.)
mircea_popescu: ie, the illiterate 20something reader will read something else.
mircea_popescu: think : kurchatov eminently supported a primitive republic AGAINST "everyone".
mircea_popescu: what he did was IN SPITE of the politruk, not for the politruk.
mircea_popescu: he created a partition over the statal space, and choose some bits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.
mircea_popescu: at the inspector's puzzled query, asciilifeform responded "it's clear he meant tea rather than coffee by that request".
mircea_popescu: the story would work just as well but better with the coffee/tea switched, but i did it this way in memory of the master nikolay pushkin.
mircea_popescu: the argument is not that usian socialism is utterly and entirely disjunct from soviet socialism
mircea_popescu: at the very least because, obviously, no two things man-made can be entirely disjunct thereby.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless! the "genuine similarity" as one might in sufficient analysis passes unearth, is spurious when compared to the evident construction and its evident goals.