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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what future fucking administration. << 'tis kinda true, with each successive one the twilight wanes.
BingoBoingo still wonders what "Trump administration"? This is an 8 year reich that Estados Unidos has been sentenced to serve.
BingoBoingo: Ask not what your Trump can do for you. Ask yourself what he did to you, hand on pussy.
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/annals/
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/IxILl
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681987 << bwahahaha☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 19:45 BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/pirated/
mircea_popescu: great one
mircea_popescu: !!up scriba
deedbot: scriba voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up Scronty
deedbot: Scronty voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and who might you be ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ << Trilema - The practical costs of hallucinated freedom
mircea_popescu: ^ in celebration of the "recent events" that... weren't.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#comment-114493 >> whole discussion very much on point re the whole ru 99 / ro 2004 thing, for the antiquarianly minded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461007 << i FINALLY lolled : "Коллайдер" ??? У автора в лексиконе не нашлось подходящего русскоязычного слова? / Какое например? Исконно русский факторизатор?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 12:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356 << moar lulz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688195 << are you satisfied re this point, by the way ? trinque's "not a man" item wasn't much pursued, but it is substantial enough.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 04:43 asciilifeform: however, i gotta ask, what happened to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685436 ? usg beat and imprisoned the rabbis, at the end of the day. so how come it does not 'prove superiority' in mircea_popescu's lens ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688217 << the whore gets paid because ~you~ think she should be. the robber gets paid because ~he~ thinks he should be. very unlike items, these.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 04:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform robber who uses "laws" is properly known as whore, not robber.
mircea_popescu: the case of the whore is not of "man who walks into room and overpowers all those present", but instead "woman walks into room and seduces all those present".
mircea_popescu: these are very much not the same : i can say "i'm not interested" in the woman case only.
mircea_popescu: which is the whole item here : yes usg seduces a bunch of dorks, but what i am saying is that a) i'm not seduced myslef and b) i do not think very much of they who are.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688896 << yea sold☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 10:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688195 << are you satisfied re this point, by the way ? trinque's "not a man" item wasn't much pursued, but it is substantial enough.
asciilifeform: did mention insects in same thread, neh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688898 << how would you classify racketeer/bagman?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 10:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688217 << the whore gets paid because ~you~ think she should be. the robber gets paid because ~he~ thinks he should be. very unlike items, these.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688906 << the classification of agent depends on the classification of principal he agents for.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 13:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688898 << how would you classify racketeer/bagman?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand?
mircea_popescu: ok, but where ?
asciilifeform: what diff does it make for whom the bagman bagmans
mircea_popescu: all the difference in the world, neh ? what difference does it make for whom the postman brings letters ? well, if he brings othello letters from desdemona, he is a sort of cupid ; and if they are from the doge, a sort of mercury.
asciilifeform: i dun see how this applies to robbery tho. how does it make a diff to me ~why~ i am being robbed.
asciilifeform: i.e. whether it is because luciano wants new yacht or new whore
asciilifeform: robbed just the same, neh
mircea_popescu: so you just wanted the money ?
mircea_popescu: if you spend it, does it make a difference to you what you spend it on ?
asciilifeform: if ~i~ spend it.
mircea_popescu: but not otherwise.
asciilifeform: how would it make a diff to me how the robber spends it.
mircea_popescu: how he spends it is not the item, but who or rather what he is.
asciilifeform: all robbers are entirely the same type of thing from my pov, and vary only in skill and size.
asciilifeform: and are as desirable a thing to have around, as cancer and landslides.
mircea_popescu: and i suppose if i were come to your house tomorrow unbidden, sit on your couch and pour myself a glass of wine you'll say you weren't robbed ?
asciilifeform: dunno, didja take the couch home?
mircea_popescu: im taking some wine to the bathroom in any event.
mircea_popescu: the "it was not robbery for [insert reasons]" is the common, but also nonsensical escape from this fix. the correct way out is to notice that yes you were robbed, but it matters who does it.
asciilifeform: uninvited guest in your house at night, is rarely a friend.
mircea_popescu: sure, rarely. yet you can be robbed of your heart and not mind the loss any.
asciilifeform: this mixing of unlikes, dirty thinking, mircea_popescu barfs when other folx do it.
mircea_popescu: the only problem's that they are unlikes here.
mircea_popescu: whether they are* i mean
asciilifeform: luciano is no friend of mine, my couch is not his couch, no wine willingly give to him.
mircea_popescu: but that so far as luciano.
mircea_popescu: can you say "no one is a friend of mine" ? and if you can, what does it mean, "wine" ?
asciilifeform tightens gas mask canister
mircea_popescu: suppose you go to the casino, yes, and lose some money playing with the fates. if you discover that the game was fixed, will you go "ah well, i had lost it anyway" ?
asciilifeform: not being a gurl, i dun see any blur in the line between the willingly and unwillingly given wine , b/w friend and foe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't possibly be willingly given, i didn't ask.
asciilifeform: and where i live it is not customary for friend to break into house. it tends to end badly.
mircea_popescu: yes, you live in a most strange of places :D where you aim to live it was quite customary.
asciilifeform: at any rate mircea_popescu is welcome to walk into my yurt and drink all the kumys he wants whenever.
mircea_popescu: why thank you.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains -- it very much matters whose principal thje agent is.
mircea_popescu: there's edges of this observable everywhere in nature. why make car insurance mandatory ? so that every idiot with a donut has a certain kind of principal behind him, so accidents can stay accidents and you can actually get your car fixed rather than "hurr durr i'm anon pothead, lolz".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688938 << this is actually a great puzzler ( what is it that folx feel cheated of, when they are cheated at cards )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 16:35 mircea_popescu: suppose you go to the casino, yes, and lose some money playing with the fates. if you discover that the game was fixed, will you go "ah well, i had lost it anyway" ?
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not limited to that, either. what do folks feel cheated of, when they declare to have been cheated on by spouse ?
mircea_popescu: "her affection!" "can you be cheated of things you imagined ?"
asciilifeform: i thought it was the cockwidthcalibration.
mircea_popescu: so maybe same with cards :)
asciilifeform thinks back to the rather complicated philosophy of ru prison re when it is 'kosher' to cheat at cards, and with whom
mircea_popescu: ~and with whom~.
mircea_popescu: expand, let's have the story in the logs.
asciilifeform: ( as illustrated here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687951 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:54 asciilifeform: hether there was any likelihood of being passed a false banknote and whether he could pass on a false note himself. There was no definite system involved in all this. Sometimes a fist like a hairy water-melon would appear in the little window, but it was obvious that Tatarsky could quite safely send its owner to hell and beyond. Then sometimes Tatarsky's heart would skip a beat in fright at the sight of a slim female hand
asciilifeform: my education consists of secondary sources, i'd rather mircea_popescu expanded.
asciilifeform: also it is tea time, brb
mircea_popescu: you know i wasn't ever in jail either.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
phf: she cute who dat
mircea_popescu: random russki
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688954 << "это был севочка, знаменитый знаток терца, штоса и буры -- трех классических карточных игр, вдохновенный исполнитель тысячи карточных правил, строгое соблюдение которых обязательно в настоящем сражении. про севочку говорили,☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 16:46 asciilifeform thinks back to the rather complicated philosophy of ru prison re when it is 'kosher' to cheat at cards, and with whom
phf: что он «превосходно исполняет» -- то есть показывает умение и ловкость шулера. он был и шулер, конечно; честная воровская игра — это и есть игра на обман: следи и уличай партнера, это твое право, умей обмануть сам, умей отспорить сомнительный выигрыш.
phf: играли всегда двое — один на один. никто из мастеров не унижал себя участием в групповых играх вроде очка. садиться с сильным «исполнителями» не боялись — так и в шахматах настоящий боец ищет сильнейшего противника."
phf: (a rather butchered translation) "it was sevochka, a famous expert at terza, stos and bura, the three traditional card games. he was a master of the extensive ruleset, strict adherence to which was mandatory in any real confrontation. they said about sevochka that he is an “excellent performer” that is he shows the skill and the agility of a card sharp. of course he actually was a card sharp; an honest theifs game is a game of deceit: observe and c
phf: atch your opponnent, it's your right, know how to cheat yourself, know how to dispute a questionable win. a game is always between two people -- one on one. none of the pros would degrade themselves by participating in a group game like ochko. none would be scared to play against a strong “performer” either -- like in chess a real pro looks for a strong oponnent."
asciilifeform: phf nails it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
phf: apparently terza is a pure sakhalin invention, stos is known in u.s. as faro or pharaoh and bura while also a custom prison game is essentially thirty-one
asciilifeform: faro interestingly was ~the~ 19th c game
asciilifeform: but today ~extinct.
asciilifeform: ( in usa that is )
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mircea_popescu: phf stos / drum de fier is also known in romanian. antique, and very stupid, french game.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:13 phf: she cute who dat
mircea_popescu: anyway, the discussion of card cheating brings us to an inverse of that ancient towers point ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312420 ) : it is only in prison that technology is sufficiently limited for the "cheating -- allowed" approach to work. yes, it does work well, and yes it is very warmly human. but it is also a strong part of the rural vs urban dispute, in that it is strictly a matter of rurality, and can not live☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 04:27 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/#selection-57.90-57.473
mircea_popescu: in town. much like, of course, representative democracy belongs to the simple and them alone ( http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-79.0-85.2 ).
mircea_popescu: a sort of fairness-and-equality-through-simplicity-and-poverty is required for such things. kinda why orange revolutions work, when they do.
asciilifeform: stupidity is a sort of organic 'natural drm' yea
asciilifeform: 'who would ever think to...'
mircea_popescu: the inconceivable is just as good impermissible as any other.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688981 << >> http://92.112.244.14/view/login.html☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:54 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9900...7209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
asciilifeform: ^ some huawei rubbish or other
asciilifeform: but not a type i recall seeing previously.
mircea_popescu: but the point : there's always winds. whether men blow the winds against the mechanisms, and create the prison card playing world ; or whether mechanisms blow the winds against people, and create the "company policy" and us office, there'll still be wind, and there'll still be some towers, and some ground down mounds were other towers could have stood.
mircea_popescu: if only wind blew strong the other way.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688984 << can't speak for phf, but to my eye she looks like a human face, vs plastic cow☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already.
asciilifeform: probably by accident, kabuki makeup sweated off etc. but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: i didn't imprint on the kabuki and find it repulsive, is all.
mircea_popescu: she's made up about to the evening level.
mircea_popescu: her eyes are kohl'd, there's powder on the cheek, and well chosen rouge on the lip... what more, really ?
asciilifeform: could be simply camera angle, or could be that there's actually somebody home in that head. i've nfi.
mircea_popescu: mebbe you inprinted on teh sideways glance.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688983 << poker still lives☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was.
asciilifeform: so can't be the rng
mircea_popescu: why not ? how's this reasoning go ?
asciilifeform: ( though today they ~mandate mechanical shuffling machines, for some reason )
mircea_popescu: you can play faro with a set of dice just as well.
asciilifeform: well they still play cards, that get shuffled, just like 500 yrs ago. unless i misunderstood the rng remark.
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the do, it's called barbut).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the game has no actual use for cards, it just uses cards to generate some random numbers. it's not a card game, properly speaking, not anymore than using your car engine for powering your laptop makes the assemblage "it"
asciilifeform: aah in that sense yea
mircea_popescu: that's what i meant.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 00:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686933 << when phf first described subj, asciilifeform thought 'what if i saw it then, would it have made sense, appealed?' but now i know -- no
asciilifeform: woah 100+MB pdf
asciilifeform: holy mother of fuck
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: maybe it's on aluminium.
asciilifeform: aint these folx ever heard of djvu
asciilifeform: being from ru -- 0 excuse
asciilifeform: pg. 2 : 'как поиметь девочку из чата?'
phf: :D
phf: xakep magazine is sort of like "the hackers" movie. everybody made fun of it, and everybody bought a copy every month
asciilifeform: in usa this was '2600'
asciilifeform: i'll add that i ~never read ru '31333337 d00dz' material. because deadly boring, even moar thoroughly winblowz-centric than ANYTHING ever to come out of anything in usa short of microshit press itself
phf: yeah, pretty much. but 2600 has the whole "fight the powa!!1" vibe to it, this is more of a trashy 16 y/o internet club rats learning how to deface websites.
asciilifeform: lol p. 17 'how to irc'
phf: "step 1) download mIRC etc."
mircea_popescu: laugh, but from the trouble it gives randos i would expect "how to trilema" is like sitting on a warez pedestal somewhere.
mircea_popescu: "GREATEST SKILLS"
asciilifeform: 'ufo detector' on p. 25
mircea_popescu: girlfriend detector ?
asciilifeform: 'tv jammer' p. 32
mircea_popescu: you would expect the one useful tech could do for 15yo neh ? "left, right, left, left, there she is"
phf: article on "hacker style" "how does he dress? where he buys clothes?" "how does a real hacker speak?"
mircea_popescu: translate that bit if you will ? how does he dress ?
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi that goblin wrote for this rag, phf
phf: mircea_popescu: you missed asciilifeform's "page 2: how to get a girl from irc chat?"
asciilifeform: ( p . 52 )
mircea_popescu: phf no but i mean, directional. like the metal detectors.
asciilifeform: ( and 63, and prolly elsewhere )
asciilifeform: waiwat directional what
mircea_popescu: gf detector!
mircea_popescu: you know, tindr.
asciilifeform: lol iirc we had thread
asciilifeform: with mhc-compat detector.
mircea_popescu: well where is it.
asciilifeform: same place as other barely plausible martian tech, lol
mircea_popescu: fucking moths have it built in ; and rats. what's kids to do in town.
mircea_popescu: rather than deeply dubious "disease scanning arrays" from whatever stupid ho, how about the equally dubious but deeply fun "go this way" aerosol evaluator.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform actually investigated building this.
mircea_popescu: ha!
asciilifeform: but this was ( fortunately ? ) before he had money.
mircea_popescu: i't put it on the car in preference of "radar detector". who fucks radars.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : it should be able to detect A PARTY (say, mingled perfumes in trace amts) from a reasonable distance away.
asciilifeform: i thought that was what yer ears were for
mircea_popescu: i suspect this'd well beat ears.
mircea_popescu: otherwise moth's have huge ears instead of those fuzzy chemcapture devices we call antennae.
asciilifeform: did we ever do the concentrator thread ?
mircea_popescu: iirc.
asciilifeform: where asciilifeform admitted that in preference to gc/ms or other usgairport-like fancy junk, it could very well be a simpler matter of concentrating odours from air and simply piping into own nose
asciilifeform: as telescope is to eye
asciilifeform never found any record of such a thing being attempted
asciilifeform: there is an 'olfactometer', instrument that pumps known volume of sampled air from the room into expert nose, for gas leaks etc but is NOT same thing as subj.
asciilifeform: what you'd want here is a vortex tube, that lets dust/heavies settle into exhaust drain, air per se -- out the side pipe, and the magic fraction concentrated 100+x -- to nose.
mircea_popescu: possibly ; though i don't think i'd use this.
mircea_popescu: the whole point is to let the machine err.
asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu would even want this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: for fun!
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu-style fun consisted of sitting in chair and watching the gurlz fight over which one gets to go in the door
asciilifeform: ( or are they released in the forest to find later, like safari lions in 19th c... ? )
asciilifeform: revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689019 : 'XAKEP' mag stands head and shoulders above 'mondo' et al rubbish : it may be lame, but (most of) the things it describes ACTUALLY EXISTED, long-forgotten dos games, vapourware, electric schemes for 'detect ufo' that would at least detect passing truck certainly, tv jammer would in fact jam tv.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 18:20 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc.
asciilifeform: it was not the bizarre cocktail of mental illness exhibited in 'mondo'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do all sorts of weird shit. there's iirc trilema telling the story of me calling chick out of the blue. "how did you get thsi number ?" "i had you followed".
asciilifeform: ( faith healers, esp, ufology, were on MAINSTREAM ru tv at the time. so a 'counterculture' mag ~had to~ avoid'em, see )
mircea_popescu: adding a "well, the detector pointed this way" answer to the repertoir wouldn't hurt jack.
asciilifeform: 'how didja find me, lavrentiy pavlovich' 'followed'
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: xakep, what happens when hacker drinks sake.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but see, it's a big deal, chick didn't shit her panties.
asciilifeform: why would she
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you like to have your wine surrepetitiously drunk by such rather than the melanogaster ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldn't you shit it if you were followed and didn't notice ?
asciilifeform: if i had a cunt, wouldn't
asciilifeform: makes a diff whether yer milk or meat, neh
mircea_popescu: but most go around with this puta, neither cock nor cunt imature device.
mircea_popescu: (she, memorably, went "ok, i'ma go out for coffee" "where ?" "just fucking follow me neh.")
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/eu-ma-joc/#selection-29.0-41.121 << story, found meanwhile.
phf: come to think of it, for non cyrillic readers, xakep is how you spell "hacker" in ru, written in this case with latin alphabet, because it just happens that the subset of cyrillic required to write the word "hacker" in ru is also latin
mircea_popescu: except x is not h.
mircea_popescu: csaker.
phf: yeah, scratch the second part, i confused myself
mircea_popescu: csaba the csaker could be a grandiose character, though.
phf: well, also p is not r
mircea_popescu: p is r, surely.
mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/a5/d0/06a5d0c691cee2dd092acdc1b5d6f1ac.png << PRoof
phf: vaguely relatedly: if you drink unicode cool aid, shouldn't cyrillic latin subset like "a" be unified with the latin equivalent, along the lines of han unification? and then you introduce "linguist context surrogate" or whatever to actually give the glyph proper i18n aware shape? or perhaps that information should be contained purely in font, i.e. "russian" font has latin A rendered with russian typographic conventions. #makeunicodegreatagain
mircea_popescu: the reason they did not wish to do this is plain racism : they were afraid of me, and all the humour i was about to heap on them (the above x is not h but p is r very much apropos), and they understood (correctly) that no such scholarsip is available to yellow men.
phf: and have the other half unified with greek
mircea_popescu: (and since on it : prince csaba was the youngest son of atilla, king of the huns).
mircea_popescu: the only correct unicode, is, obviously, dated font tables. whereby i write in the year-specified letter a. and to read my modern story typeset in fraktur you have to set your computer clock to year 1199 or else the machine will refuse to print ("error! temproally-unavailable fonts detected!") much like gedit refuses to open files in gnome.
mircea_popescu: "the letter A as written in summer 2017 by MP" seems almost sufficient blather doesn't it.
mircea_popescu: (and VERY much what http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931 is all about)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
phf: but that's an alternative solution, since unicode claims taxonomy of symbols. "A" as written by mp in 2017 is not necessarily different from "A" written by mp during other times (but it might map to different A's within taxonomy, e.g. latin or cyrillic one). in case of japs they claim that the new symbol actually carries additional meaning
mircea_popescu: how does it not carry aditional meaning ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, sometimes my a is /a/ and sometimes /ə/. and even some other times /ɨ/.
mircea_popescu: and this is not to count the various jokes, and puns, and that in turn is to not count all the cases where i'm fucking with the fucking with it deliberately.
phf: hmm
phf: well, i have to conveniently go afk at this point :)
mircea_popescu: laters :)
asciilifeform: the sane solution , if hieroglyphs are your thing, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684293☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:48 asciilifeform: they wanna say 妓 -- let'em be stuck saying 32 bytes (16x16 bit matrix, more than enough for any hierohorror) rather than 2 bytes !!!
asciilifeform: ^ searchable, too.
asciilifeform: which is more than you can say for multibyte turdicode
asciilifeform: if they want fancy calligraphy, let'em recognize and substitute the 16x16 bitmap with a fancy.
asciilifeform: but bitmap oughta be the canonical form.
asciilifeform: and ~directly~ blittable.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << Trilema - Beating, that spark of heaven
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure 16x16 "is not enough" because, for instance, "you can not tell if the strokes were made in the correct order"
asciilifeform: nah, enough
asciilifeform: to be readable .
mircea_popescu: this is imperialism!
asciilifeform: let'em suck it and be happy that they get to write their monkeylang at all.
mircea_popescu: chinese matron requires to know whether author was drunk at time of writing.
asciilifeform: and what day of menses the menstruade used as ink was from aha
mircea_popescu: and during which letters.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 32byte thing will compress ok. just like earthling langs do.
asciilifeform: ( and keeps compressor where it belongs - simple and on the generic outside, rather than specific per monkeylang )
asciilifeform: i dun even give a fuck whether chinese get to write their hieroglyphs . but i'd like to insert occasional nabla or whatnot , greek etc without swapping code pages.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mebbe you inprinted on teh sideways glance. << /me suspects this is how alf evals chix, sideways glance suggest greater activity than staring
asciilifeform: at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) :
asciilifeform: 000100000010000
asciilifeform: 000100000010000
asciilifeform: 000100000010000
asciilifeform: 000100111111111
asciilifeform: 111111000010000
asciilifeform: 001001000010000
asciilifeform: 001001000010000
asciilifeform: 001001011111110
asciilifeform: 001001001000010
asciilifeform: 010010001000100
asciilifeform: 001010000100100
asciilifeform: 000100000101000
asciilifeform: 001010000010000
asciilifeform: 010001000101000
asciilifeform: 100000011000100
asciilifeform: 000001100000011
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: now cut it down the middle vertically, and walk left to right, and you get the 32 bytes.
asciilifeform: ( gotta add a col of 0s, lol. but worx )
asciilifeform: or... drumroll... :
asciilifeform: 08100810081009ff7e101210121012fe12422444142408281410222840c40303 .
asciilifeform: ~fin~
asciilifeform: it's a mighty mouthful to say 1 word 'whore', BUT it compresses ok -- even if all you use is runlength code.
asciilifeform: and it 'sits on the cock AND eats the fish', in that hieroglyphists get ( if painfully ) to have their nonsense, BUT they also get to feel what it actually costs. and at the same time NO explicit support for any particular hieroglyph clutters yours or my box.
asciilifeform: a clever man might be able to think of something involving vectorized 'brush strokes' rather than raster. might be moar searchable. but inevitably moar complex also.
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that -- afaik -- nobody in actual asia thought of EITHER approach.
asciilifeform: or certainly nobody both thought + implemented.
asciilifeform: instead 'consensus' derp.
asciilifeform: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
user705: hello
asciilifeform: what brings you here, user705 ?
user705: learning to properly do this btc
asciilifeform: and...?
user705: is this guide still more or less valid http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
asciilifeform: sure
user705: also what should one use for email?
asciilifeform: nothing at all
asciilifeform: don't use email.
user705: seems harsh
asciilifeform: not really. what's the point
BingoBoingo: 4srs, email's just a marketing vector
user705: even on qntra and trilemma it asks for one I guess the question is what option is less bad
asciilifeform: user705: it happile eats foo@bar.com etc
asciilifeform: *happily
user705: my old brain wants to say "but how ..."
asciilifeform: like-so.
BingoBoingo: user705: It's an iq test/spam filter element. If email address is an email address comment not marked spam on that point. Is email address used for anything else? no
BingoBoingo: No email sent
BingoBoingo: Simply but a string in that isn't formatted unlike an email address, at least on qntra
mircea_popescu: so i joined the whores going to the gym. my first time in a gym at that! it was discovered that yes i'm a lot more powerful than they are, but i have neither the flexibility nor the endurance.
mircea_popescu: house is now fulla giddy and ima be eating cunt all day long.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: gotta work on that stamina
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather work on that tuna.
user705: yeah flexibility will always be a losing battle since their bodies were designed to pop out clones but stamina is just a matter of conditioning
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly want to be as flexible as a vixen willow in any case.
user705: yep
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly i'd rather work on that tuna. << Tongue is a collection of muscles that can condition for endurance!
user705: read somewhere that the whole eating pussy thing has gained popularity only recently because of big dicks in porn
user705: the tit sucking thing is bound to be a leftover from childhood but certainly not eating a chick out
BingoBoingo: It happens because girl is present, erections are the limiting factor in fucking, and girl's still there to interact with.
asciilifeform: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
user705: apologies but last question on the email thing. what about exchanges, localbitcoin, etc... gotta be some way of interacting with the outside world is there really no place for email here?
asciilifeform: what outside.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!! << hottie☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mod6: ever tried any of http://www.dragonlace.net gnats ?
asciilifeform: on your bsd boxen
asciilifeform: i'm about to attempt openbsd gnat
PeterL: In the scheme described http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
BingoBoingo: user705: Well, you get your penis hard and you stick it in the outside world. If you aren't sure of the safety of doing so at the time, you may begin with broomstick.
asciilifeform: PeterL: ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/swedish-railroad-consults-masses-trainy-mctrainface-results/ << Qntra - Swedish Railroad Consults Masses: Trainy McTrainface Results
PeterL: is it sufficient to put x and y together, or does it only work if they are sent to two different keys?
asciilifeform: sufficient for what??
PeterL: sufficient to work as message padding for rsa-grams?
asciilifeform: no, they gotta be unrelated keys.
asciilifeform: otherwise it may be possible to build a lattice and solve.
PeterL: aha
asciilifeform: the described scheme is identical to the one for adding cipher strenghts in 'best of'.
asciilifeform: *strengths
PeterL: could they be put into one udp-gram, like decrypt the first half with key one, and the second half with key two, then xor to get message?
asciilifeform: ( lessay you HAD to use a block cipher, and want to combine aes, serpent, and gost, such that to GUARANTEE the best strength of the 3 )
asciilifeform: PeterL: udpgram, or papyrus, it dun matter
asciilifeform: in my draft of 'g', they went in udpgram.
PeterL: (I have been thinking about gossipd, it is a fascinating subject)
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/VSCw3 lol http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-105892
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'bribing exchanges' to shitcoin, lol
asciilifeform: ( why not go to usg mint and 'bribe' them to print for you some moolah ? )
asciilifeform: ( with... what? )
asciilifeform: PeterL: re rsa 'padding', see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589901 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:11 asciilifeform: so one ~horrid~ padding algo would be to get a bitstring from my rng, xor the message to it, then send a message of 2x length of original consisting of: [the bitstring from rng][the result of the xor]
PeterL: yeah, I was wondering about how it was horrid, but then later you suggested it as a good idea, I see the difference is having two separate keys encrypting the two parts
asciilifeform: VERY significant diff.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: ever tried any of http://www.dragonlace.net gnats ? << ah no, not yet
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i'm about to attempt openbsd gnat << sweet, let me know how it goes, i've got a obsd box.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Worst part is site made on "wix.com" never loads directly on real browsers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: watsthis
PeterL: so I wanted to make sure I understood this correctly, if you have an RSA encrypted message, you cannot say which key it was encrypted to just by looking at it, right?
asciilifeform: PeterL: if you have a) a range of candidate keys or b) a handful of ciphertexts --- you can
asciilifeform: ( a is elementary, and you can do with bare hands. b is trickier but entirely doable, how many you need varies based on bit count of modulus )
PeterL: so for gossipd, I get a message, and (assuming it was encrypted to me) I can tell which of my keys it was encrypted to
mod6: asciilifeform: with dragonlace, are you testing with binaries or are you pulling from the src repo?
asciilifeform: mod6: bin at first
asciilifeform: ( recall, you can't build gnat without gnat )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689201 << nonsense, read napoleon's letters to the j-slut.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 21:57 user705: read somewhere that the whole eating pussy thing has gained popularity only recently because of big dicks in porn
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ( recall, you can't build gnat without gnat ) << yeah, was the reason i asked. hehe
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689230 << word.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:24 PeterL: (I have been thinking about gossipd, it is a fascinating subject)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689234 <<< with their continued existence. "bitcoin" exchanges === tor.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:26 asciilifeform: ( with... what? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689243 << depends what you mean by "rsa encrypted message". a) current rsa "encryption" as implemented by koch-gpg et al consists of encrypting a symmetric key. trivial to test this against a number of rsa keys. b) conceivably item will include a courtesy key fp to help you know.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:32 PeterL: so I wanted to make sure I understood this correctly, if you have an RSA encrypted message, you cannot say which key it was encrypted to just by looking at it, right?
mircea_popescu: even without b, there are numeric methods to sort out whether your keys will work or not, such as trying each one.
PeterL: no, I was imagining straight RSA
mircea_popescu: in the worst case it is not trivial to compute the fingerprint of an unknwn key that can decrypt an impredictable plaintext.
mod6: ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because:
mod6: [17:32:00 mod6@obsd: ~/ada/fact]% gnatmake ffa ffa_fact
mod6: gnatmake: can't load library 'libc.so.56.0'
mod6: # find /usr -name "libc.so*"
mod6: /usr/lib/libc.so.77.0
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm using the i386, on old lappy, and it dies similarly
asciilifeform: dynamically linked liquishit.
mod6: aha. ok.
asciilifeform sets the final bozo bit on openbsd and everyone involved
mod6: not a huge surprise, perhaps with all the right things in place (if that's even possible) and it "works" then one could build a real one from it's source.
mod6: but yat chicken-egg is biting us here.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have yet to hear of ANY actual argument in favour of wasting yet moar hours of life on bsd.
asciilifeform: it's a black hole.
mod6: i've honestly had a bitch of a time with it recently.
mod6: (re: reading from the rs232, and now this, ya.)
mod6: tmsr-os (cuntoo) will pick up where bsd leaves off.
PeterL: I like the name cuntoo, it's catchy
mod6: as far as freebsd, I feel like the 4.3 was pretty good, but there was a lot of in-fighting regarding technical decisions. this lead to Matt Dillon leaving and forking dragonfly.
mod6: it seemed to have a slow decline from there.
mod6: this is all pre SMP type shit, and trying to figure all of that out. ofc, my memory is a bit sketchy, that was like ... 14 years ago.
asciilifeform: my last bsd was freebsd 4.7
asciilifeform: well, before this last attempt
mod6: for the apt-student, im sure all of the emails are still out there on their majordomo or whatever the fuck.
shinohai: !!v DE98A1C799541339B6A1E48C60BA9F1AD26A0F7D5D74D4E35C488E0E076FF802
asciilifeform: my last ~happy~ bsd was 4.7..
shinohai: !!v DE98A1C799541339B6A1E48C60BA9F1AD26A0F7D5D74D4E35C488E0E076FF802
deedbot: shinohai rated sina 1 << Python mp-fhf works as advertised, though I suggest http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/ for future license.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689257 << lol for some reason i assumed he was asking about whether ~enemy~ can tell, from traffic☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689243 << depends what you mean by "rsa encrypted message". a) current rsa "encryption" as implemented by koch-gpg et al consists of encrypting a symmetric key. trivial to test this against a number of rsa keys. b) conceivably item will include a courtesy key fp to help you know.
asciilifeform: rather than intended recipient.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because: << Gotta use OBSD 4.8, binaries are not compatible across .1 revisions
PeterL: no, I was thinking: friend sends you message, now you have to pick a key to decrypt with
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the tards dynamicallylinked libc
asciilifeform: just like linuxtards lately do
asciilifeform: entirely and completely cremating whatever motherfucking point their worthless piece of shit had for a justification of existence to begin with
asciilifeform: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: I understand the "decrypt with each key until the message looks like a good message", but I was trying to think of the algorith for saying "that must be a good message"?
asciilifeform: PeterL: that's guaranteed to work.
user705: if anything the letters of napoleon show the opposite. obviously eating out didn't get invented yesterday but if anything what the royal monarch did it was not for the plebes
mircea_popescu: napoleon was a plebe.
user705: I mistyped that
user705: plebian
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could propose they were some sort of minor nobility or whatever, but it's at best tenuous. for all intents and purposes napoleon was a sort of hitler, lower middle class at best.
asciilifeform: the idjit aristos created him.
user705: at the time of the letters he was not though
asciilifeform: just as surely as later created hitler.
asciilifeform: or rotting redditfood in dumpster creates the fly.
mircea_popescu: user705 are you proposing the emperor changed his private customs to suit the habits of the just-beheaded aristocracy ?
user705: not at all. my original point was that the eating out of chicks is coming back into vogue so to speak because of the wide availability of porn where the mail talent is larger then average thus genpop of males is more conscious of making sure a female finishes ergo more eating out
PeterL: ah, I guess my question is answered by having the "challenge pattern", which I guess you give to new contacts when you give them your pubkey
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who'd eat a girl out out of feeling of obligation.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside who the fuck cares what the pron dudes do. what, i'm going to fuck a girl in that god-awful position of her straddling with her back to me because there's a camera in my livingroom too ?
user705: positions is just the need for variety. normal human function there.
PeterL: my last question, is gossipd supposed to automatically share peer information with other peers to build up the network, or is all peer addition supposed to be manual?
mircea_popescu: some don't work though. the one discussed is entirely made so the CAMERA can see the tits and cunt, and as little of the dood as palatable to 80s audiences.
mircea_popescu: it thankfully went away, but d'amato's stuff is full of it.
mircea_popescu: PeterL entirely operator decision.
PeterL: ok, that makes sense
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689291 << well it was ambiguous. not sure it can not be ambiguous at that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:53 asciilifeform: rather than intended recipient.
asciilifeform: PeterL: ideally a bare minimum of automatics.
mircea_popescu: certainly none of those "behind the curtain" "for the good of all involved" sorta automatics.
user705: but once it's out there the brain wants to try it and with that I bid you adieu to go try some positions
mircea_popescu: become annoyingly fashionable of late, that sorta crap, too.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689296 << lol but how do you REALLY feel!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 22:56 asciilifeform: entirely and completely cremating whatever motherfucking point their worthless piece of shit had for a justification of existence to begin with
mod6: BingoBoingo: makes sense, I just dun have a 4.8 avail atm
mircea_popescu: am i the only one doing chicks that don't specifically expect to or want to come every time ?
shinohai: Nah you're not alone, I'm not about that annoying shit either.
mircea_popescu: lol. no but i mean, is she.
shinohai: Nope.
PeterL: this has been enlightening, I have to feed the kiddos now, but I always read the logs
asciilifeform goes to feed the... somethingelse
mircea_popescu: and speaking of, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b41ac407e45f23b7f2b08fa6c5baa9f/tumblr_nr2k0ooNxd1rvxb4uo1_400.gif
shinohai: "Train your slave to test for radiator hose leaks with this one weird trick!"
mircea_popescu: esp useful if you buy a ship.
mircea_popescu: !!key bluthw
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/7338F12D6D59BFACF0D9F81CC3262D070A3BF734
mircea_popescu: trinque ^ ?