pete_dushenski: "Today we're announcing an experiment in Chrome where a small fraction of connections between desktop Chrome and Google's servers will use a post-quantum key-exchange algorithm in addition to the elliptic-curve key-exchange algorithm that would typically be used. By adding a post-quantum algorithm on top of the existing one, we are able to experiment without affecting user security. The post-quantum algor
pete_dushenski: ithm might turn out to be breakable even with today's computers, in which case the elliptic-curve algorithm will still provide the best security that today’s technology can offer." << l0l!!!
pete_dushenski: 'we're trying to break the broken to see if the more broken is really more broken or if we should stick with our current broken.'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this entire "post quantum" thing reminds one sorely of the "post-ozone-layer" and "post-year-2k-bug" lolpocalypses.
pete_dushenski: then ima start selling 'back-up crypto generators' with no return policies for $2k a pop
Joshua-I: What's the opinion on pgp smart cards / yubikey around here
pete_dushenski: same phenomenon is also seen in building materials, actually increasingly so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "restrict mining market" thing, as experimented by crown jool debeers, is a major schtick because of its implications for oil, russia and in general. remember how just about when independent countries gathered enough technological mommentum to build exportable lightbulbs, the item "had to be upgraded" ?
mircea_popescu: that's the whole principle - you can not do things by yourself! this is swedish socialism and "we" gotta be!
Joshua-I: asciilifeform: sorry, I really need to habituate that
mircea_popescu: "o look, the cookie model is bullshit, so they fixed it by making a dongle. cuz we all know dongles work, atari proved it!"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:46 pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
Joshua-I: In combination with wot I don't think it's half bad though
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: amen. shit's right up there with gravy and... that's it really. top two 'normally' ingested poisons : mashed potatoes and gravy. fucking incredible that they're oft eaten together.
Joshua-I: Well if you're staunchly against having offices then it's crap, but if you're not it certainly works better than paper id
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I you mean wgat, like access control cards sorta application ?
mircea_popescu: god i hate those things. from an institutional perspective - all anyone has to do to open all your doors is cut the power. from an individual perspective fuck me i'm not going in the rat maze.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'gravy' is really leftover cooking fat (from baking) mixed with corn starch and 'seasoning'
mircea_popescu: possibly the most usg-tronic item in existence today. i'd rather have doberman patrols.
Joshua-I: Cut the power? It'd have to be very poorly designed for that to work
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it can be many things. chet made some pretty epic gravy. you're right in that it's rendered fat as the fat base ; with a starch. this is how all sauces are made.
Joshua-I: I hope they don't make elevators lmao
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I think about it, it's either fail deadly or fail safe. if there's no power it can either lock or unlock. which do you pick ?
Joshua-I: If you need it that safe lock is reasonable, if you don't then what do you care
mircea_popescu: alcatel building in timisoara, had the exact problem when power went out.
Joshua-I: You can just as easily bust down a door
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you. i dun think it's sensible, but seen with own eyes hard to go away.
Joshua-I: This place is somehow more addictive and habit forming than twitter
Joshua-I: It's like a stimulating predicate logic twitter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i mean from 17yo to 18yo when dudes want car and bitches need prom dress + abortion.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 23:27 Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: article vaguely alluded to post-sec bezzletron with 'figure can double'
mircea_popescu: that's not going to "count" as a cost because... well, corruption, racism, etcetera.
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phf: maaan, i read that as "greek technology" and got really excited
mircea_popescu: phf meanwhile dead cluj ethnologist had a superb "wood technology" class.
Joshua-I: You must have an interesting tumblr my man
BingoBoingo: hanbot: You know you could prolly qntra that program up.
phf: there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
☟︎ phf: there was a guy at local community college who taught "shelters of the world" class, which started with "build a log cabin for a grade" some time in the 80s and ended with "design shelter on paper, bring me something, i will make curve"
hanbot: BingoBoingo not a bad idea. how 'bout i keep it and its wretched brothers aside as i go and write a roundup thingie when done? to go with the "peace studies" one and whatever other horrors await.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Works. Bonus lulz if you come up with new expansions for common .edu acronyms.
hanbot: shelters of the world! i'd take a yurt class fo' sho'
BingoBoingo: I mean seriously the people derping about STEM, access, and MOOC have to be actually taking about something other than what they say those things expand to
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, it is exactly as shitty as last week. Just happens to have aimnus'd at you at the moment.
BingoBoingo: Right, freenode has aimed its anus at you, hence you getting the shit. Phenomenon colloquially known as aimnus.
BingoBoingo: Aimnus is prerequisite for shitting with intent
phf: hanbot: guy really knew his shelters tho, but from a certain kind perspective. spent some time building geodesic domes with lloyd kahn, traveled places to ethnograph or try and join builds, including mongolia for yurts
phf: a lifetime of very specialized knowledge to share with a bunch of no child left behind cases
phf: thanks, BingoBoingo, i'd be sitting there waiting for the rest of the joke otherwise
mircea_popescu: s'the problem phf, your alf-made interpreter barfs on unterminated data ? :D
BingoBoingo: Yeah, had to make sure joke was closed for alf.
mircea_popescu: one day all the trolage is going to come back to bite us.
phf: when asciilifeform will finally find +ev way to go postal
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i had my fair share of them the oast few weeks
hanbot: mircea_popescu that's that irreversible thing neh?
mircea_popescu: yes, monica belucci's longest rape scene (she does one per movie, it's in her contract)
mod6: <+covertress> don't you want some? <+shinohai> my sides << omg yes. lol.
shinohai: so many mixed reactions there mod6
ben_vulpes: rape scene, french flim, something something the girl
mod6: i lul'd earlier when i read that thread shinohai. funny stuff.
mod6: one per movie. what a gal.
shinohai: mod6 well anything eth related usually leads to lulz
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am surprised that it does not come with jsxploits
phf: the lady is clearly special
☟︎ deedbot: ben_vulpes has not rated pankkake.
ben_vulpes: Joshua-I: btw, d'you plan to negrate pankkake for the malicious js?
ben_vulpes: or is that a thing that consumers have cum to buttsecks
Joshua-I: Well I'm not willing to bother running it again, but from what I can deduce it checks whether you're running certain browsers then fucks your browser accordingly with nasty js
Joshua-I: If you go with a browser like lynx the redirect never happens
Joshua-I: So I think it might be a kind of obtuse joke
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 02:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what'd it do, exactly ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 02:01 phf: the lady is clearly special
mircea_popescu: check it out, there's a worldofcorn.com website for BingoBoingo 's pleasure. 2015 us avg yield was 168.4 bushels / acre for a total 13.6 bn bushels. corn is about 400 calories / lb, there's 56 lb per bushel of shelled corn, thus therefore
mircea_popescu: comes just a shade under 1mn / capita / year, which is to say 2.8k calories.
mircea_popescu: "just the corn" = all soda ; all mcdonalds/etc hamburgers ; all sauce, icecream etc.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, corn output doubled since the 80s/90s. it can't be said agro tech hasn't improved.
mod6: i like the corn related stories on qntra
mod6: s/stories/articles/
mircea_popescu: i keep hoping the great cornholio shows up in comment section one day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the soy-corn and the wheat-corn and the...
BingoBoingo: Qntra tries to cover all the buttcorns and all the altcorns
mats: i never understood the humor in 'beavis and butt-head'
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mats: and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back
mircea_popescu: i dun think it's the age. might well be a cultural thing. they're pretty white.
mircea_popescu: mats ~nobody finds it funny that didn't know 5`000 various idiots that, if brancusi'd, end up beavis and butthead.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 01:20 phf: there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Good luck and godspeed. May you get castle alfstein yet!
mats: wtf am i looking at
mod6: <+mats> and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back << there was a new season that he created a year or two ago
mod6: I think it was just one season. was funny tho
mats: the eyeball protrusions, is that supposed to mean something?
mod6: umm guess it wasn't a year or two, more like 5. lol. 2011.
mats: i dunno man. the vast majority of all art i have ever seen exhibited in museums and galleries or whut not do absolutely nothing for me
mircea_popescu: mats not sure how familiar with art history & theory you are, but anyway, the point is let's call it "essentialisation", ie, a very deep stylisation of form.
mats: no endorphins moving around, no sense of the thing inspires a sense of awe or beauty in me, i literally don't feel anything
mats: not sure if i'm broken or the art.
mircea_popescu: it's not sex, to produce endorphins. it's used condoms.
mircea_popescu: the expectation art would "move you" is a late revival of idiotic victorian-romantic notions whereby women, mentally stunted by their gender and therefore incapable of comprehending art, nevertheless "felt it" somehow, ovary-magically.
mircea_popescu: that this rank nonsense of obvious source still survives is nothing if not a testament to the ignorant, parochial ustardian society.
mats: i just dun find myself capable of looking at most pieces for more than a dozen seconds or so
mircea_popescu: it WOULD be fucking boring ; without knowledge of the history etc.
mircea_popescu: which is why people teach the upper class kids these things ; the rest dun has teh time.
mats: so i need an art history education
mircea_popescu: wouldn't go as far as need ; but this is what it's for if you have it.
mats: imma put that... at the bottom of the bucket list
mircea_popescu: much like pole dancing, it's not something to pick up late in life anyway.
Joshua-I: Not much for aesthetics are we
Joshua-I: Yet still sexually attracted to things I imagine
Joshua-I: Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
☟︎ Joshua-I: Easily fulfilling the requirements of sense and intellect simultaneously
Joshua-I: And so just as easily perpetuates itself
Joshua-I: Think the gettin' will be good post-halving
trinque: check this guy out.. the one
Joshua-I: Now the last mystery to uncover is the use of comic sans
trinque: holy shit, his name is Trendy
trinque: ah. that's supposedly Pirateat40
mod6: sniper fire in dallas
trinque: gf was saying some cops got shot?
mod6: im hearing 11 shot, 4 dead.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 20:49 asciilifeform: no word re the american snipers in bucharest '89, or moscow '93, or venezuela '02, ...., ...
trinque: hey, maybe they're gonna have a revival of allah snackbar, #blacklivesmatter edition
a111: Logged on 2015-09-02 04:15 asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
trinque: seems moar like useful idiots than conspirators
trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "Y'all keep mentioning WOT, but do you actually run a keyserver with a published trust graph accessible via any sort of standardized protocol?" << sick burn trinque
deedbot: L1: 4, L2: 39 by 27 connections.
mircea_popescu: "Because I mean WOT is not too revolutionary when it is just another name for a bunch of peoples' non-interoperable personal black books between which information can be exchanged only by explicitly manual means." << da fuck, "your working thing's no good!"
mircea_popescu: what am i going to hear next, that the people of libya want "freedom" ?
mircea_popescu: seems more like fella wants a "nice fort you boys built, time now for us all to agree house is better" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: apparently one of the direct, entrenched results of no woman being pimpslapped for talking out of order in anyone's personal memory is a whole lot of those "that's nice dear, now come to bed" sorta vomits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i gotta admit the "democracy" drivel is nothing if not incredibly flexible. can be spread on bread as "science not cults!!11", can be spread on bread as "say no to silly (orly?) power games and ~~~sycophancy~~~" because if you call male independence the bad word it'll totally stick, men are really just a bunch of women that deeply care about labels like that. can obviously be spread as "the people of libya want the fr
mircea_popescu: eedom to give us all their shit for free, and romania really didn't need a nuclear activities agency",
mircea_popescu: this is the typical characteristic of cults and quacks, of course, but who's to notice THAT.
mircea_popescu: the one universal socket wrench, ointment and single idea anyone could ever need! DEMOCRACY!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this may well work from the "public good" interest, but what exactly does it do for lithuania ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 03:26 Joshua-I: Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
mircea_popescu: the ridoinculous half-afro-and-mustache look of the 70s and wtf-is-with-sunglasses-indoors 80s/90s
mircea_popescu: otherwise, lightbulbs were apparently invented sometime in 2010
Joshua-I: I rewatched True Romance the other day (thanks to you) and now I must have those rad sunglasses Clarence wears at some point
Joshua-I: Did he actually wear that variant?
Joshua-I: I see no mention of ancient art in your post, what's up with that?
mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Joshua-I nor of modern, for that matter. it's time-invariant, yes ?
Joshua-I: Well I'd say it touches on a few more things than merely being some political indirection
Joshua-I: Those noble types did like to impress each other and feel an exclusivity in their interpretations of art
Joshua-I: They didn't just permit it, but were studied in it, which in the cases of their private residences and gardens suggests the opposite of what you suggest at the end there
thestringpuller: How do you turn an advertising business into a ponzi scheme?
shinohai: "Spamming blockchains is our bidness!"
thestringpuller: reminds me of cointelegraphs obviously false conversion rate
BingoBoingo: If I'm not mistaken qntra has a small if not entirely different kind of conversion rate
thestringpuller: (iirc from the namworld campaign with coinroll or what not)
mircea_popescu: from experience, "hacking" delivers infinitely better results than "advertising". ie you're better off raping the site than paying the site.
mircea_popescu: kinda in line with the diy ethos of the rest of computing. you want to be secure ? you're better off taking out the holes than "hiring a team of experts". whatever you want - take it, don't ask.
thestringpuller: the lets poke wordpress sites until one of them gives and then post a bunch of spam backlinks
mircea_popescu: you can ask the ethereum huffers to be fucking sane already until you fall over. but #etherape and a few short weeks later they've all woken up.
mircea_popescu: trilema has many 1000s of backlinks from derpy wordpressen
thestringpuller: advertising is generally bastardized. analytics and metrics are useful (sometimes). depends on if you care about the market reaction or not.
mircea_popescu: useful in the sense playing candy crush is useful. gives you something to do in the subte.
thestringpuller: given bitcoin is anti-consumer, marketing doesn't have an immediate value because any sane business should not care about what the consumer thinks
mircea_popescu: there is scarce relation between "web metrics and online analytics" and marketing.
thestringpuller: more like useful in the sense of new local restaurant trying to target the most loyal customers
mircea_popescu: ~the same relation as between playing candy crush and cooking.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there a) is no such thing as loyal customers and b) no conceivable reason restaurant would care. which is why they don't even bother to keep lists.
mircea_popescu: back in the old country, reservations worked like so : unknown plebe could get "reservation", only valid if none of the important people showed up.
mircea_popescu: us restaurants don't work like this - consequently, loyalty is impossible.
mircea_popescu: clubs DO work like this, in the larger towns. but the lists are maintained by a loose network of associated strippers/whores/pr girls, who do the promotion footwork.
thestringpuller: Aha. I was talking more about the pub-esque "regulars". You know the drunk who spends 2k a month on booze.
mircea_popescu: that guy picks his pub not by "closest to home" but by facebook ? rly ?
thestringpuller: Yea. I used to work that scene. Honestly the club scene in america is very much turning into "the pimp scene" or maybe it always was taht.
mircea_popescu: nah. the way this works is you open a 10k seater club, have 50-100 girls to go to all the CEO types in that city, tell them "if you agree to come to X club this weekend i'll take all my clothes off and you can fingerfuck me right here on yoru desk"
mircea_popescu: that gives you a steady stream of those in the 100s, and then all the aspie schmucks pay to get in and rub... elbows.
thestringpuller: That's how the higher end clubs operate. The ones that have ~actual~ vip rooms.
thestringpuller: The plebs for college students usually is just "get as many girls here as possible to attract frat dudes to buy them drinks"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller club scene is fundamentally pimp scene. it'd better be, the alternative is what, highschool cafeteria + prep talks ?
thestringpuller: So all the "advertisement" is in relation to 1) showing guys there are hot girls there 2) getting hot girls there
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, that's the obnoxious part about us college towns.
mircea_popescu: and the problem with this theory is that us media, unlike everyone else who's sane, won't carry nudity.
thestringpuller: Yea. The college club scene is very akin to herding. Actually similar to high school.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to put a 50 ft tall poster of a nude woman kissing a campari olive on a drab gray wall across from the campus enclosure.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, activision bought king.com back in feb. guess what - "blizzard family". world of warcraft and candy crush, same thing!
thestringpuller: Like when EA bought PopCap cause Plants vs Zombies could be remade 4mn times like the sims and still sell.
thestringpuller: and this is why the current game I'm playing is 20 years old...
mircea_popescu: oh and the OTHER obnoxious thing about us college towns is they fucking puke.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ when did that become socially acceptable.
thestringpuller: Funny story. My last semester in school, I was walking to my goto pub. These chicks are crossing the street right? One of them pukes on the light post. Her friends help her stand a little. Then after the light changes she continues walking as if nothing ever happened.
thestringpuller: Another good one is as a freshman, one of my friends lived in a dorm with a lot of sorority pledges. So when she was getting up for her 8am class, she'd see girls stumble in go to the toilets. Puke. Put on makeup, and go to class...
mircea_popescu: should be a misdemeanor, "you puke in public you spend that night in jail. no judge, no exceptions."
thestringpuller: Man thinking about all the parties I've been to where there was some girl puking her brains out in her "night gear" (the kinda clothes you wear to work the corner), crying their eyes out with someone annoyed holding their hair back.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller women, too, because fucking equalitards omit to mention to girls how they really can't keep up with dudes.
mircea_popescu: sure nadja can keep up with me, but that's only because i suck ; she can't keep up with boris from her hometown.
mircea_popescu lolz at the shitcoins. bitcoin cap 10bn, yest trade 1/4 bn (2.5%) ; ethereum "cap" 800mn, yest trade 11mn (1.2%) ; ripple "cap" 250mn (hey, recall when it was 1bn+, above ethereum ?), yest trade 500k (0.2%).
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun get it, doesn't paypal charge like a buck or so fixed fee ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah and microchangetippal has social media integrations
shinohai: Venmo always seemed = to changtip to me
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 06:09 mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
BingoBoingo: venmo is basically a tool that puts a 1 cent price tag on spamming the shit out of anyone with a venmo coin client
shinohai: I forgot to tweet it at victoria
shinohai: i was thinking of writing a piece on welfarecoin, but it is in recycle bin atm
mircea_popescu: ru didn't stand up so well to ro army for most of war.
mircea_popescu: mno, there's also that little one in the 1880s when tarevich wrote desperately to plox come to turkey and save our asses we're dying here.
mircea_popescu: and in ww1, there was proper ro army alright. there wasn't proper ru army, though, lenin's idea was to a) abandon the allies front and b) go "wee wee please don't beat us up mr european powers sir"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh, pre 1800s the russians hadn't yet been invented in europe. was all polish.
mircea_popescu: kinda went both ways, between the suceava and krakow courts.
mircea_popescu: course... there IS that epic tale of sobieski's siege of piatra neamt, anyone know it ?
mircea_popescu: we were after all discussing headcounts not geographical features.
mircea_popescu: in that sense russland uber alles, uber alles in der welt wtf
mircea_popescu: hence the "2k people signed up for deportation" lulz yest.
mircea_popescu: nah, local chieftain fighters will ALWAYS destroy darius.
mircea_popescu: in fact thinking about it - the ro-ru bad blood starts with the revolutionary derps deserting the front. cela ne se fait pas.
mircea_popescu: prior to that - very friendly. after that, and especially owing to stalin's low birth behaviours, hallucinating ownership over ro gold and ro bukovina, it went downhill.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks you to come, but once you're there you leave once the show's done.
mircea_popescu: point in case : if parents of useless redditard shoot him, they STILL owe on his college debt
mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. if they were so high and mighty, should have shot him BEFORE he committed ~the country~
mircea_popescu: once he did, it's committed, he did it as the legitimate representative at the time, his shit no matter how dumb is binding.
mircea_popescu: otherwise this quickly becomes the greek argument, "we borrowed and spent but shouldn't have to repay because hey, new government!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly why i don't argue for "make america great again" but "burn it all down"
mircea_popescu: hardly interesting. there's what, 10mn of them ? on a peninsula ?
mircea_popescu: lol. you know how many unneeded ships there are today ?
mircea_popescu: internet demolished books, then printing. cable caries many million mile-tons of substitute goods per second
mircea_popescu: notrly greek in that sense. onassis is greek like i'm romanian.
mircea_popescu: ie, something for the other greeks/romanians etc to ASPIRE to.
mircea_popescu: certainly not a sort of meal ticket for the accursed lot.
mircea_popescu: country's basically the equivalent of shannen doherty. was hot briefly in its youth, by now it's a great way to pour money down the drain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu has a small penis. greeks are 10mn, turks 80. not to go into details of how lazy pretentious people fit much better, or into how they're also not much of a threat.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding they really needed the rotweiller ; and much better deal anyway
mircea_popescu: but hey, "the eu is not so much a conglomerate with a very small penis as an agglomeration with a particularly large clit"
mircea_popescu: beetle therein depicted made it to 1yo! gets party butt-hat.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 12:57 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, drama fountain, we kinda covered the basics, they just rehash, shanonize and markov the same stuff endlessly.
mircea_popescu: i don';t recall when that was, they had like a week maybe ?
mircea_popescu: atm all hopes pinned on microsoft-sponsored "devcon" for the scamcoin. basically, mit can either get another usg agency involved or they're dropping it, they lost all they were gonna lose on it already.
mircea_popescu: "This is why I love Ethereum. The main net is live for less than a year, yet tthis is the third big convention. " to quote the locals.
mircea_popescu: gotta economize on the lulz, comedy goldmine running out of gold.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of purely academitarded wankatrons, "Glen Weyl has uploaded a new version of his paper, Quadratic Voting (written with Steven Lalley), to SSRN, which now includes the completed proofs. Quadratic voting is the most important idea for law and public policy that has emerged from economics in (at least) the last ten years.
mircea_popescu: Quadratic voting is a procedure that a group of people can use to jointly choose a collective good for themselves. Each person can buy votes for or against a proposal by paying into a fund the square of the number of votes that he or she buys. The money is then returned to voters on a per capita basis. Weyl and Lalley prove that the collective decision rapidly approximates efficiency as the number of voters increases. By cont
mircea_popescu: think about it alfie, if i want to buy a thousand votes i'm going to say so and pay a million, rather than talk to a thousand derps and pay them a cent each.
mircea_popescu: it's like infants were locked in a tower somewhere and asked to imagine how the world could be.
mircea_popescu: "One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology elsewhere: organizational governance. " << apud buterin, 2014.
mircea_popescu: you know... it's social interaction that fell behind their redittardedly advancing technologee
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i have no expectation to explain to ustards that a classics education always beats a stem education. not in this life. the contrary nonsense's been derped too much, and they've never seen anyone with a classical education anyway.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: a classics education always beats a stem << this doesn't get undergrad children jobs in the US. interesting though, that having gotten a stem education, i feel extremely deprived of not having studied as many classics
thestringpuller: you can't get "marketing" STEM degree in USA. that is degree is more of advertisement for self, that bears no real meaning.
thestringpuller: the actual education even if considered "top class" results in MIT graduates unable to light a bulb with battery + wire
mircea_popescu: alf has it. you can not, for any sum of money, acquire a classics education in the english language today.
thestringpuller: This is why an advisor with good intentions usually pushes students "with potential" to study abroad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't really experiment with the other kind however ; an tomes lie. not by design but in effect.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not sure where that abroad would be. damascus maybe.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: illicit experiments in your cellar. << What about a good teacher? Is the teacher extinct from a scholarly perspective.
mircea_popescu: there is no us citizen alive today who is qualified to as much as teach latin.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: not sure where that abroad would be. << the ones I would trust with money usually studied in China.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:31 mircea_popescu: though their classics give me hives.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so the fate full nodes are facing, is a similar fate good teachers face?
thestringpuller: They are useful, but are not rewarded for their usefulness...how is this sustainable?
mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
☟︎☟︎ thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the same rationale behind why there is no "sane computer" thread. i.e. dumbness is institutionalized. so wouldn't useless students be merely a symptom of this?
mircea_popescu: iirc it was more a case of "hey, i'm here to promote ; oh you're not really an audience ? ok, ima go promote down the street"
mircea_popescu: which is fine and all, i mean waste of his life but what's that to me.
mircea_popescu: (though you'd think he'd fucking know better if he were that window - neh ?)
mircea_popescu: good translators ? without exception they're major actors in one, often both cultures.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder how much he makes out of selling books in 2016 for the love of lols.
mircea_popescu: i could think of a more ridoinculous proposition but not readily.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize this, i figure there's people who're looking to take ; and people who're looking to give themselves away asciilifeform . tmsr is entirely and to some degree by design inadherent to the former. it may, maybe, work for short intervals, but not too likely, and certainly less likely over time. this results in a lot of butthurt, calling it a cult, whatever.
mircea_popescu: but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "this is the code i'ma run, see how much of the world i can despoil on its basis"
mircea_popescu: it's infantile, sure, and moreover they're pretty miserable at it. nevertheless, it's what they're doing, and there's no outside flippable switch to get them out of it.
mircea_popescu: time, or more likely, the grave will straighten out this hunchback.
mircea_popescu: and of course it's perfectly understandable, the whore has a whore's personality not because she's an evil harpy shrew but because it's the only way to survive at the bottom of the shit ocean : batten the damned hatches.
mircea_popescu: somewhat relatedly, most people don't figure they have ANY authority. therein included, the authority to decide what to do with themselves at any point (gotta be in school in half hour! shiot im late for job interview! omg office hours!) or for that matter what to believe.
mircea_popescu: these can't possibly participate in any sort of forum where actual people intercourse, simply because they've not what with.
mircea_popescu: some derpy chick by the name selin goren got raped by a bunch of arab immigrants, liked it, reported to police that she was robbed by a group of german men.
trinque: "politically expedient" she says
trinque: fascinates me how the ancient instincts wear whichever "politically expedient" mask is available in the times
mircea_popescu: similarly fascinating, how women grew hair on head throughout the roman empire, showed up on coins with currently fashionable hairdo nevertheless ; or how they've had two tits and a slit for millenia yet always dressed in period dress everywherw!
mircea_popescu: (it's something like a coupla billion worth, ie just enough to bridge britain through the brexit)
mircea_popescu is out of the loop, no idea what bnr might have gotten out of the deal.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of helping the fucktarded brits is anathema, jesus f christ.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that a different one than your shotgun bot from the South St Louis standoff?
mircea_popescu: looks pretty cheaply made, al/composite. more of the same "we can attack very well and defend nothing at all" technologees ?
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in virtually all encounters, the "toy" costs more than the intended victims.
mircea_popescu: this will continue for as long as there exists no -ev peons in the us. for as long as the govt can pay and pay and pay, it works.
mircea_popescu: once people gotta forage their own food, things change.
mircea_popescu: for now, there's 60tons of ro gold. like you know, during trajan, exactly.
mircea_popescu: except... there's not another 60, not that another 60 would be enough next time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you should look at ocean population data sometime.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any of your children will ever eat fish.
mircea_popescu: i mean, more than in 1016, but not as much as projected in 1976
mircea_popescu: anyway. the untold story of the us "we can't defend, we attack" thing is evident in the history of medieval castle warfare. at the time, war was heavily defensive, there was ~no effectual way to attack whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: so building a castle was ~the only practical way to prepare for war. except as the kings successfuly found out, a defensive item defends whoever's there, not whoever built it.
mircea_popescu: usg nightmare scenario is exactly this, highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring of the town.
mircea_popescu: which is why if you build, build on reinforced concrete not on fucking vinyl etc.
BingoBoingo: In other news all is right with the world again as I have new cordless drill.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also have corded and the hand powered kind of cordless
BingoBoingo: But li-ion has its place by being convenient
BingoBoingo: Do wish for adapter to cord it to lead acid battery terminal though.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps will solicit several months after halving
mircea_popescu: nowhere today, no. i was discussing the baricadable paris of 1700/1800
BingoBoingo: Anyways new drill's chicom makers were sufficiently polite so as to let me be the one to break in the motor's brushes. Was very sparky out of the box, tamer now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem with defensive means is that they empower the individual. state wants offensive means, and if possible to fight all wars against strictly offensive forces.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, a model republican city built specifically on anti-socialist-state principles would be interesting
BingoBoingo: IN defensive news StL and apparently other deparments today began mandating wearing of their kevlar vests, optional before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that they only campaign against mines ON LAND
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the us "survivalist" folks have the right idea, even if they don't understand the higher level considerations necessarily. "if you're going to build, build a bunker"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was kinda thinking, back in 2013, that who knows by 2020 nsa could be making that.
trinque: yeah, I don't see a great way of confirming back that it's disarmed
trinque: any signaling of "off" gives up the position of the mines
trinque: suppose you could spread out antenna in the dirt though, such that it's imprecise
trinque: or have a preference for large prey, yep
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of "keeps us from exploring", isn't it funny how abandoned special concretes are today ? the VERY related field of special ceramics gets all the love. because obviously, the earlier linked robot.
mircea_popescu: but think for a moment... what'd a nylon mesh do for concrete ? what'd graphite strucutre ? etc.
mircea_popescu: considering what the current ships are like, pykrete's a much better alternative.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo proposed alternative terminology for the us : "The Great Great-Again", GGA.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll let you do a piece to introduce the term. Need to be very clear on applications so context is needed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about taking away ALL weapons from ALL usg-paid ANYONE.
mircea_popescu: "if you work for the government, in any capacity, you're slave not a citizen. pick up a shovel and make yourself useful. bitch."
mircea_popescu: i imagine that's what he meant to say, right ? it'd clearly make "attacks like these" much less deadly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform last i checked they still buy them with dollars. those can be taken anyway from them as well as from anyone.
mircea_popescu: and in some households the woman is doing the talkin'.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first. << Prolly for the best. Meme'ing isn't drilling, there's no room to play with 12 volts of conveniece because unlike drill needs to last.
BingoBoingo: ;tldr "Made in USA" to the extent in continues does so for feels in weird
BingoBoingo: Basically level solution, but different color because branding.
BingoBoingo: Because made in USA because if made in China factories would sell "brand's" products without letting brand know.
BingoBoingo: This is a form of weird known as "trade dress"
BingoBoingo: Hey my rubber hose circa this week also made in USA. Slightly higher tech
a111: Logged on 2014-03-22 17:53 asciilifeform: the next day, they 'apologized' by... supplying a crate of free fluke meters to the victim
BingoBoingo: Not that power tools this is actually less issue because TTI makes nearly everything and is chicom.
BingoBoingo: Well, stanley black and decker company has problems prolly, but... exist now as ghostly AMD to TTI's intel
BingoBoingo: (german concerns like festool dun count because "apple-icized"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly it looks like one of those items where they make 1mn of each part then send in the gurlz to fish for matching sets.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i really hate drills that don't apply the brake when i release the trigger
ben_vulpes: to avoid driving the screw too far into whatever.
ben_vulpes: let me say then that my screw gun drills holes.
ben_vulpes: excellent for sinking a million holes. less useful for sinking holes and immediately filling them with screws.
ben_vulpes: stuff and nonsense. tool is electrical motor and electricity.
mircea_popescu: flexbile can be fragile. then again your skin's not made of treebark.
ben_vulpes: and the job is sometimes not simply sinking holes.
mircea_popescu: kinda looking forward to the obvious application of usg drone depicted supra
mircea_popescu: which is the garage bot. follows you around and does things. like make holes. with the right tool for job.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neither you nor i live in their works.
ben_vulpes: part of my job is not accidentally ripping the vinyl apart with 1940s tools
ben_vulpes: because then hole in rental environmental envelope, pissed off landlord, and no shelf!
ben_vulpes: the pinterests? i don't think any of that is oc
ben_vulpes: not mine, and the ancestral mountain home is not 'log' either.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled. << But sometime you just gotta go places disposable makes sense. Like outside. If disposable can go outside no reason to risk srs machine.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> brake?! << common now in disposables. Also common: screwdriving clutch
BingoBoingo supposes asciilifeform is unfamiliar with "cordless impact driver (distinct from hammer drill).
mats: i chuckled for about thirty seconds
BingoBoingo: Seems to be the specialized tool for driving lag bolts atm.
deedbot: lru voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo doesn't know why that get dubbed "multitool" and still more versatile reciprocating saw doesn't
BingoBoingo: Shame the despot doesn't yet stock fucking blades for them.
BingoBoingo: But not like rectovaginal fistula is a rare thing
mircea_popescu: that doesn't normally yield perineum perforation does it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis a problem mostly related to birthing
BingoBoingo: I believe the term being bandied around is "RAHOWA"
mircea_popescu: where was that mp line saying black people are going to end up in death camps, purely demographic reasons ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weimar republic liked jews ; didn't help them.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us. << cc: thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: But yeah this collective responsibility business seems to be primed to turn back around.
mircea_popescu: "jews are fundamentally cowardly and organically insolent", recall ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's the same old thing. the birth of a scapegoat.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure that's a jew hat thing and not a hamplanet hate thing?
BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, but seriously Jews? The people so brow beaten by their women?
BingoBoingo: I thought their stereotype was more as a sort of castrati
mircea_popescu: hey, there's absolutely no limit to what may figure in a fantasy.
mircea_popescu: the average german dude in 1936 believed jews to be in general fucking teenaged german girls by the boatload much like you believe black dudes have big cocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you think this because the lafond image (niggers=cowards) prevailed by virtue of you know, the gas chambers. but historically it was not a widely held view.
mircea_popescu: in other "argentines are retards" lulz, here's a challenge for anyone : find a list of buenos aires highschools online. anywhere, in any language.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia has a meagre dozen, ie, abour 2%. "paginas amarillas" like 9. buenosaires.gob.ar a derpy page with large fonts and nice graphics, nothing useful. (in line with the entire government here, they're basically made by apple, 0 substance, harsh colors, foot tall fonts. smartphone sites.)
mircea_popescu: but if you do actually have the intel and get this together, you discover that a) more than half are "religious" ; b) none actually meet the academic level of a ghetto highschool in fucking maryland and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: how anyone thinks of this place as above somaliland is entirely beyond me, and strictly a matter of racism.
mircea_popescu: guess what : argentine niggers aren't any better just because they happen to be white-toned.
phf: BingoBoingo: ha! that's because you entered the stereotype conversation at the closing end
phf: i was actually kind of surprised by the castrati thing, and blame new york jews and their documented ideology on non violence on the shift
phf: but back in old world, jews for all practical purposes niggers. jews were affiliated with both banking world and criminal world
phf: ostap bender, a very popular character in su, was an odessan jew, and a "farsovshik" i.e. a huckster
phf: half the criminals in movies and books were jews
mircea_popescu: demography doth not lie. be the 11-12% minority, get murdered. it's really that simple.
phf: largest surviving mafia organization from before zar times is odessan mafia (which is where briton beach crowd is from, incorrectly called "russian mafia"), which was exclusively jewish
mircea_popescu: ny mafia was originally also jewish. recruits dried out cca 1950ish, with italians flooding in.
phf: yeah, ny mafia is odessa mafia, only recently, i.e. post 90s did you start getting an influx of "eastern promises" russians
phf: oh that's what americans ask me all the time "so ugh you saw eastern promises?"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:45 vc: I can't tell if you're serious or not
phf: i was mostly disappointed that they didn't play up traditional su mafia things. we have our own omerta! where's the songs? where's the slang? seems like a lot of wasted opportunity. all we got is a "carefully researched" tattoos
mircea_popescu: phf too much material. us-audience film is a 2kb affair.
mircea_popescu: the fact that they at fucking least got the tattoos ~right (and no, it's absolutely not out of place that a bunch of dudes in suits gather on fine leather upholstery to drink aged cognac while one of them takes apart a sorry set of 1920 shaver turned into tattoo machine and proceeds.)
mircea_popescu: but yes, as a narrative it barely holds together in a thousand places. still, ahead of class.
mircea_popescu: they should stick to forrest gump ; touchy feely nobody on a stick works better.
phf: american movies don't do geniuses very well, unless it's "odd" characters, like the aviator
mircea_popescu: in the sense that what, all the wait staff was retarded ?
mircea_popescu: wtf was that much better film, with the rape victim ukr ?
mircea_popescu: much more "western slav" (ie, serb) mafia than eastern slav, but anyway. altogether better film.
phf: i have not seen it either
mircea_popescu: phf about the same period, whole world was trying to do "romanian realism" with mixed results.
phf: they don't have enough bratki for that
phf: su prison system managed to preserve and cook up a special kind of culture
phf: "Mysterious death of software pioneer Ian Murdock ruled suicide ☶ money.cnn.com"
phf: asciilifeform: lobste.rs uses iching symbols for some unknown internal reasons which i don't have inclination of investigating. somewhere on par with calling a currency "etherium" and a corporation "dao". way to corner those timeless symbols gaiz
phf: "the victim proceeded to repeatedly trip and fall on knife 37 times"
phf: "если луиса корвалана не отпустят — я завтра на работу не выйду"
mircea_popescu: clearly needed. THIS is needed. the finger is not. fucking i-ching.
phf: mircea_popescu: boy do i have news for you
BingoBoingo: "The case of a black man found hanging from a tree in Piedmont Park has been referred to the FBI, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said.
BingoBoingo: Reed’s statement was issued Thursday afternoon, hours after social media users expressed outrage about the Atlanta Police Department’s contention the scene was consistent with a suicide. An autopsy has not been performed."
phf: Mahjong Tiles Range: 1F000–1F02F
phf: oh interesting, it's straight up missing from log
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller Pleases consider Brazil
phf: well, i have some font on my system that kicks in for most obscure characters (i think i wanted it for apl unicode), never the less log loses some unicode bits
BingoBoingo: Who knew the "weather" tag on qntra would get so much use so soon?
mircea_popescu: are we waking alf up re police getting butchered or not yet ?
trinque: do you really think every black dude with an assault rifle is working for lizard hitler?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall vaguely some debates cca 2013, prior to the gendarmerie fallback, with me saying the us police is going to get butchered and you saying wake me up when.
mircea_popescu: but i will say this "hey, getting beaten into a pulp WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG" only goes so far
mircea_popescu: splitting is a term from psychology, denoting a tendency (seen mostly in borderline cases, but a variant is central to narcissists of both types also) to resolve contrasts through alternating pure views.
mircea_popescu: in the most typical case, the teenager's mother is PERFECT ALL GOOD, when she satisfies whatever impulse currently holds the attention of the kid ; and EVIL ALL BAD when she frustrates idem
mircea_popescu: splitting is common in adolescents, and supposedly healthy to a degree.
mircea_popescu: you'll notice that the simple solution to any unpleasant event is to divide the object into a good and a bad side, yes ?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think there exists a difference between "feds" and "local police" ?
mircea_popescu: well you know, your hand and your skull are quite different items in 1001 ways, but the argument "the bad hand hit you" might at most convince a pitbull
mircea_popescu: how does this work, i thought nothing was indepenent ?
mircea_popescu: turns out there's an island right in heart of mordor ?
mircea_popescu: well then... if local police can be inconvenient, then lizard hittler is quite vulnerable ? and there could be... other problems it could have ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: i would propose that the surgeon drawing a distinction between toe gangrene and finger gangrene is a dubious surgeon indeed.
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God: What’s your favorite story from the bible?
God: What do you all think of Mormons?
trinque: asciilifeform: I tip my hat
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 04:27 trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though