BingoBoingo: "A quick consultation with Satan established that Our Dark Lord and Master doesn't like her much at all. Satan doesn't like furries even though Satan is, himself, a yiffing furry with a Goatlord fursona - Satan is allowed to be a hypocrite because he is Satan." << Not bad, but #trilema sorta raises the bar above this. Oh to go back to binge reading ED 2009
BingoBoingo: *in 2009
BingoBoingo: If only the wikipedos could be banished to a world where snakes are wide instead of long
BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Fan_death
BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Stephen_Paddock << And in recent events
hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
BingoBoingo: In other old meme https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/9/99/Cavitysearchpedobear.jpg
mircea_popescu: lol did you fall in a hole ?
BingoBoingo: I may have
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : on the day of the democratic national congress, bula paddock in school, during music class. the teacher is "kids, prepare your instruments". bula paddock opens his violin case and closes it back quickly. the teacher notices, comes over, opens the case and finds a machine gun.
mircea_popescu: "bula, what are you doing with a machine gun in school ?"
mircea_popescu: "nevermind what ~I~'m doing with a machine gun in school. i'm fucking curious what dad's gonna do with a violin at the congress."
BingoBoingo: Poor congress
mircea_popescu: and in other "romanian is 100% about sexual innuendo and nobody can ever hope to translate trilema.ro" exercises, ttp://trilema.com/2011/chec-cu-tite/
BingoBoingo: And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/16/turning_a_hard_disk_drive_into_an_ear << prolly worx with all recent mechanical hdd
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 04:47 hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:21 asciilifeform: IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
asciilifeform: and neither of these is a bug, or will ever be fixed, nfs co’s. ddosproofing relies on the dynamic ip shenanigans
asciilifeform: the up-side, of course, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720008 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 03:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh they're finally starting to figure out that there's a fucking difference between painting a state blue in the sense that 300 more people could be arsed to answer the phone out of a population of 5mn is VERY DIFFERENT from turning a state red in the sense that you've got ten k people there ready to shoot.
mircea_popescu: "hurr durr, so-and-so is traditionally a democratic stronghold in the very limited sense that people there are willing to spend an hour on a sunday supporting democrats if it's not raining, and if the support is limited to stamping a piece of paper once. and if it's not gonna happen more often than once every few years at the most."
mircea_popescu: if they could figure this ancient trilema all on their own, WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN END UP GROKING EVENTUALLY!!!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun recall thewhet ever beinbg ddosed.
asciilifeform: i have nfi. but 'fireproof house' is nice even if people only very rarely try to burn your house.
mircea_popescu: i believe
mircea_popescu: in other news, did i mention the splendid lebanese restaurant here ?
mircea_popescu: it's becoming difficult to go by it, the warak arish / baba ganoush / cardamom coffee exert a discernible pull.
asciilifeform: ( the sad thing re nfs co, is that it is in fact a kolhoz, quite like amazon's and the rest, but more ancient and built by actual men, vs 'millenial' scum, and so it actually ~works~, and delivers on the promise -- you don't own your hdd, BUT you never have to go down from a dead hdd; you own no ip; BUT no ddos; etc. it however IS STILL A KOLHOZ , with the complacency and inevitable day of doom that comes with this. )
mircea_popescu: myeah. living space, be it of the housing kind, or of the hosting kind, or of the hospital kind, or of all other kinds can only ever be operated as a kolhoz.
mircea_popescu: because of the significant fixed costs and the very sharply limited scalability.
mod6: hola
mircea_popescu: the demand is, as they say, very inelastic. if it comes to fucking, you can fuck whatever you catch : a lithe blonde today, a nothing tomorrow, a turkish hipped brunette next week. when it comes to eatring, you can eat three plums today even if you felt like two, so as not to throw one out, and you can make do with a chicken tomorrow, even if you wanted a slice of beef.
mircea_popescu: but you can't have some bloodwork you didn't need today because they had some extra capacity, nor can you not have a yellow fever shot when needed because they'll have some next week. by next week their value is 0.
mircea_popescu: inelastic demand + high fixed costs = kolhoz.
mircea_popescu: hey mod6
mircea_popescu: and this is evident both in how people dissolve the kolhoz once it becomes "politically" untenable (bullshit. there's no such thing as politics exactly like there's no such thing as "her feelings". she got fuicked because she got drunk, she got drunk because she was in the bar, and she went to the bar to get herself drunk to get herself fucked. politics is the "why" and economics is the "what she did".) : either they attack t
mircea_popescu: he inelastic demand by deliberately (and falsely) elasticizing their demand ; or else they attack the high fixed costs.
mircea_popescu: and in how kolhozes are sold (like for instance right after ww2) : "cost control" and "capacity utilization".
shinohai: Hola mircea_popescu , mod6
mircea_popescu: how goes.
shinohai: Not bad here, working on adding znc service for those that might be interested.
mircea_popescu: good idea.
mod6: good! just catching up on the log here.
mod6: i lul'd at your encounter with a "martial arts expert" in The Mechanic.
mircea_popescu: ikr?
mircea_popescu: anyway, for context, grabbing ass in 90s europe is a lot different from what 2017s us imagines it'd be.
mircea_popescu: in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose could implement 512 byte camellia...
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: !#s serpent
a111: 27 results for "serpent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serpent
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591994 << in particular.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 17:48 asciilifeform: BUT it is in several ways, apparent to the naked eye, less retarded than aes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any proposal on a method to compare camellia and serpent meaningfully ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all blockciphers are pseudoscientific. the only differences you can take to the bank, is that camellia was approved by nato bureaucrats, serpent was not; and the fact that serpent runs in constant time ( branch-free ).
asciilifeform: incidentally it is very simple to use multiple blockciphers and get guaranteed best-of ( asciilifeform described scheme in old thread )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, but developed by teh japanese.
mircea_popescu: and approved by the euros. and put in during 2008 by the ustards, then taken back out recently "for lack of interest" ie nsa pressure.
asciilifeform: it's quite similar to aes tho
asciilifeform: uses tables/s-boxes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not going to burden the minigame dev with implementing two of these nosnenses in the first pass.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff
asciilifeform: fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
mircea_popescu: link ?
asciilifeform digs in l0gz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591981 << >> https://archive.is/hifdk☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 17:00 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HQmMH/?raw=true << example in ada. < 700 ln.
mircea_popescu: danke schon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can has 512 bit block/key incidentally ?
asciilifeform: very easily, using same algo as with any other block cipher ( xor splits )
mircea_popescu: hm, wait, isn't this the item that was similarily-vulnerable to des ?
asciilifeform: afaik no known breaks to date
asciilifeform: and not similar in design to des
asciilifeform: ( could just as well break tomorrow as aes et al could, voodoo is voodoo )
mircea_popescu: is this ada thing s-0 or s-1 ?
mircea_popescu: (as per customary and recently discussed with keccak, the actual item and the item submitted to the usg braindamage competition differ)
asciilifeform: iirc it is the one in final draft ( submitted to braindamage competition ).
mircea_popescu was a great fan of tiger hash back in the day.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/in-criptograma-veritas/#selection-35.0-35.61 etc
asciilifeform: it isn't even that asciilifeform is particularly enamoured of 'serpent', but does believe that any cipher that cannot be implemented in the style shown in the paste, is ipso facto braindamaged beyond repair
mircea_popescu: i can certainly see that argument.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , & co want to use 'serpent', i can make a pick-your-own-bitness-via-shamiring twist on above snippet. but prolly not until after i come back from voyage
asciilifeform: hm did asciilifeform mention he is going on a voyage.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for it to be cheap. construction atop it is not the best solution.
asciilifeform: cheap in which param
asciilifeform: ( cpu? space ? )
mircea_popescu: ie, "if you want to carry ton of earth i can show you how to do so with buckets" yes ty, but ideally do so with ton-sized bucket.
asciilifeform: in point of fact mining excavators use multitude of small buckets...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform implementation complexity ; computing resources in that order.
asciilifeform: then definitely existing-serpent-shamirized
mircea_popescu: well, teh discussion was productive, we shall conduct some investigative footwork.
asciilifeform: ( because otherwise you are making entirely new voodootron from scratch, will need test sets, etc )
mircea_popescu: we need a cipher directorate by now.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: my current favourite voodoocipher is keccak-as-cipher.
asciilifeform: ( constant-spacetime-able, and not in any particular way known to be weaker than the other voodoos, and you already ~have~, presumably, a keccak )
asciilifeform: ( if it is not obvious how to turn a hasher into a ciphrator, and vice-versa, i will describe if asked )
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform done btw.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which done
asciilifeform: ( keccak ? )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, not only trilema gets plagiarized... https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/14/software-is-a-long-con ( https://archive.is/TYEEm ) happily peddles http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 + http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 with serialnumberfiledoff
mircea_popescu: intellectual dominance, it's a thing.
asciilifeform: 'It is to the benefit of software companies and programmers to claim that software as we know it is the state of nature. They can do stupid things, things we know will result in software vulnerabilities, and they suffer no consequences because people don’t know that software could be well-written. Often this ignorance includes developers themselves. We’ve also been conditioned to believe that software rots as fast as fruit. That
asciilifeform: if we waited for something, and paid more, it would still stop working in six months and we’d have to buy something new.' etc
asciilifeform: ( author has long history of jwzism : lobbies for legislative 'nsa reform', 'quit security journalism because draconian laws', etc )
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/ENtoS and elsewhere if anyone gives a shit )
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the day git is replaced by v and us presidency appointments are implemented as a !! function, the ~same flies will be laying the ~same eggs on this new meat, equally like on the old. at least as far as they're concerned.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the human rotting alive and the human not rotting alive is the first human's aquired immune deficiency syndrome, NOT the involved protozoans.
asciilifeform: aha, staphylococcus is everywhere, and in yer nose, but not everybody rots.
mircea_popescu: your cat isn't giving you toxoplasmosis even if asimov's cat gave it to him is because you don't get toxoplasmosis, not because it doesn't have it to give ; this is exactly the link to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
mircea_popescu: stopping smoking doesn't reduce cancer, because the sort of shameful shitsacks that GET cancer will get it, whether from smoking or not. if not from smoking -- they'll find a different stressor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: but this is the deep reason why "death from stressor - ban stressor" is not adequate a response. no, let them die. ban the dieing if you must.
asciilifeform: reminds me, asciilifeform had interesting convo with pet re the dysgenics thread
mircea_popescu: and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
mircea_popescu: died of fucking. which is a much better way to go than the dying of boredom, a la adriana ( http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/#comment-118515 ).
asciilifeform: pet : 'problem with dysgenics hypothesis is that the pertinent change is much too slow' ' asciilifeform : 'entirely possible that descent and climb are wholly asymmetric -- just like process of falling from a plane is quite unlike take-off; 1 or 2 generations of supernumerary children failing to die, possibly can wreck the pool'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the classic http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learn%22+%22unlearn%22
mircea_popescu: it is VERY unlikely to have any kind of symmetry involved there.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to gia : women, in the http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/ adult woman sense, have some things to do in this world. like say http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 ; these aren't jobs that can be done by non-women, and when they try the results are as sad as shakespearian theatre (not the text, the actual montage).
mircea_popescu: most girls are disqualified from nature, by being short, or not having a waistline, or etcetera.
mircea_popescu: of the minority qualified, there's readily distinguished three categories : the utter imbeciles a la maria schneider, sewing up their togas "for modesty!!!" ; the tolerant girlies who put up with the couch but no more ; and finally gia -- the chicks the fucking couch itself can't keep up with.
mircea_popescu: "honey, here's the guys you have to fuck to get the part" "could they call some friends ?"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other news -- girl goes shopping, comes back with pineapple SO FRAGRANT that it STANK UP THE ONIONS.
mircea_popescu: tru fuckign story.
asciilifeform: speaking of chix, realityloser denied bail, and amidst some quality freislering, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e2wnU/?raw=true :
asciilifeform: '"hates" America, misused a top-secret computer during her Air Force career, admires Edward Snowden and Julian Assange... ...one need look no further than Defendant's own writings to surmise that she hates the United States and has plotted against the government. On February 25, 2017, during training for her new NSA job, Defendant wrote her sister that she would fail a polygraph because of questions conceming whether she had ever pl
asciilifeform: otted against the United States Government. Gov't Ex. 11. On the same day, Defendant wrote her sister she hated America. When her sister responded with incredulity, Defendant proclaimed again she hated America and explained she feels this way because America is "literally the worst thing to happen to the planet."'
asciilifeform: and, gold medal lulz,
asciilifeform: 'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."'
asciilifeform: ( orig. usg turd at https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4081446/Reality-Winner-Order-RE-Release-From-Custody.pdf ftr. )
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: funny shit, the ultra-pantsuit actually agree with the republic, usg worst thing to come out of fuhrerbunker.
asciilifeform: sorta how ye olde su cashed in its chips.
mircea_popescu: i guess it was, at that.
asciilifeform: 'in the official dachas, amidst the flicker of tv screens and the squal of mosquitoes, the brass agreed that it will be the last generation of brass' or how did limonov put it.
asciilifeform: *sqeal
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's the proposal : be it proposed that it is actually cheaper to explain to the brighter among the reality winners what exactly they never learned of history and theory, so that they renounce on their own power the assorted bundle of idiocy and sheer nonsense that constitutes the difference between republican and pantsuit or ultrapantsuit ideology,
mircea_popescu: than to attempt to supplant the absent intelligence of the large mass of sub-pantsuit (they call themselves alt-right or whatever the fuck).
asciilifeform: re 'wrote that she hates america', oblig stierlitz : '23 февраля Штирлиц надел свою старую, любимую буденовку, взял в руки красное знамя и, распевая революционные песни, пошел к рейхсканцелярии. В это день он как никогда был близок к провалу.'
asciilifeform: or the even moar sacramental 'Штирлиц шел по Берлину. Мюллер узнал в нем советского разведчика, но не по ППШ, небрежно наброшенному на плечо, и не по парашюту, волочившемуся сзади, а по клейму фабрики "Большевичка", кото- рое забыли отпороть с внутреннего
asciilifeform: кармана пиджака по истинно русской безалаберности.'
asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
asciilifeform: )
mircea_popescu: incidentally fiber check was a major source of early makes. people ended up setting up "shops" in berlin to change.
mircea_popescu: otherwise a hunchback dude with a magnifying glass could make you in a fucking cafe for crying out loud.
asciilifeform: or see the rusty staples thread.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: then from there it found its way into (german) police work, and from there to us a coupla decades later. much like everything else.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."' << Lol, mebbe shouldn't have got her balls from a syringe?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bigger problem -- got brain from chipmunk
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: sick burn for the anals of sick burns.
BingoBoingo: chipmunk still better brain than most USian
BingoBoingo: If chipmunk thought history started with Lincoln, Chipmunk would be fucked too.
mircea_popescu: kinda common symptom this, thinking history starts with what it ended.
BingoBoingo: Kinda how US teaches it. Before war of Northern Aggression, things happened with names occasionally attached. After "Oh noes people and their plights"
asciilifeform: 'stierlitz was thrown from the tenth floor, but caught on a balcony by a miracle. but the next day, the miracle was swollen and interfered with walking.'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: ( http://lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/vonstir.txt_with-big-pictures.html << largest collection asciilifeform knows of )
BingoBoingo: In other legends, today some derps published an estimate, HeLa likely to lead to 30 kilodribble paper retractions
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: lolwat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it infects in vitro cell collections, ruins experiments.
asciilifeform: this'd suggest laughably poor lab hygiene tho
BingoBoingo: Perhaps confusion is unit of measure. A dribble is an "academic" paper resulting from drool meeting paper substrate
asciilifeform: ( the staph on your nose will ~also~ take over your cultures if you give it half a chance )
asciilifeform realized that 80+% of the joakes, don't translate worth a shit, e.g. 'Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.' << can this be made to work in ro ? or do you need agglutinative declensions necessarily.
asciilifeform has been on a lengthy ro kick but not equal to this job
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726098 << it does ?!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 14:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread
mircea_popescu: you mean, ip of the commenter ? or what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of self
mircea_popescu: no ?
asciilifeform looks again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i don't get it, gotta be a cool guy to fight with fire ?
asciilifeform: see it dun translate at all
mircea_popescu: well im certainly no ru scholar myself.
mircea_popescu: !~tr ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Stirlitz s'est battu avec une étincelle. Le feu s'est battu de mon mieux. Pourrait être un gars cool. Un faible faible n'a pas aimé.
asciilifeform: more like 'stierlitz fought with gusto. gusto fought as he could. AsHecould was a man's man. aMans was a girl who did not abide wimps.'
mircea_popescu: aaaaa
mircea_popescu: nao it makes sense
asciilifeform: well all the sense it's ever gonna make in engl.
mircea_popescu: how about this : stierlitz s-a batut cu foc. focul s-a batut cum a putut. abatut era un barbat bine. barbatii bine nu beau lapte batut.
asciilifeform: 'bout as near as my anglization
mircea_popescu: it exploits the a batut (vb, to fight, imperfect) / abatut (noun, depressed) homophony and then of coruse a major trope of romanian humor, lapte batut, ie beaten milk, ie buttermilk.
mircea_popescu: wait, do you want it to be near in form or in structure ?
asciilifeform: either
mircea_popescu: unless im missing something this captures the structure (for teh reasons stated above). am i missing something ?
asciilifeform: imho it captures the structure.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the form works in anything but ru and like, japanese.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's jp-fu too weak to say if works there.
mircea_popescu: yeah we need some otaku ppls.
asciilifeform: i was actually thinking of doing jp this yr.
mircea_popescu: yea, possibly interesting huh.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: d'ya have a warez of lisp in small pieces?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes
ben_vulpes: may i have a copy please?
asciilifeform: 1s
ben_vulpes: much appreciated
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://loper-os.org/pub/quinniec.djvu
ben_vulpes: aaaaand got it
asciilifeform: i have the fr orig somewhere but i assumed ben_vulpes wants eng
ben_vulpes: i could manage with fr but eng does reduce the ognitive coverhead
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, hk colo facility quotes a cab with a c block and 10gbps at ~4kusd/mo
asciilifeform: notbad
ben_vulpes: 2.5k of which is the bw charge
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes o hey.
mircea_popescu: are you moving into isping ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh my, who in HK is actually handing out fucking numbers?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah just coming up with an excuse to fly to hk
ben_vulpes: :P
mircea_popescu: why not ? you'd make a fine isper.
ben_vulpes: nono i kid.
mircea_popescu: take teh babe & minibabe to hong kong, wash state isn't going to hold up much later anywayz.
ben_vulpes: at the very least i'd like to go there to rack a few boxes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
ben_vulpes: what would the terms be?
ben_vulpes: i mean yes, there's no way i can foot the bill for that thing myself
mircea_popescu: i dunno, lessee. repayable in service charges / convertible to equity by mutual consent / convertible to one year guaranteed note at present fiat value in any case. how about that ?
mircea_popescu: actually, did that make any sense ?
ben_vulpes: sounds workable in the abstract to the extent that i understand what you're saying; contracts like this are not something i'm familiar with so i'll have to think slowly about it
ben_vulpes: how, for instance, does the equity conversion rate get calculated?
mircea_popescu: by mutual consent.
mircea_popescu: as in, we agree on something.
ben_vulpes: right right
ben_vulpes: and a "one year guaranteed note" means "payback of principle in full within a year plus some interest amount"?
mircea_popescu: well no, no interest was specified, neither strict nor by reference, so there is no reference
mircea_popescu: "contracts like this" are more important for what they don't say.
ben_vulpes: aok
mircea_popescu: anyway, re conversion, it's not clear that you'll necessarily want me to convert ; nor that i necessarily will want to. maybe. in general the fiatista "i want all the things" approach is not simply flawed but outright dumb.
asciilifeform: recall bbet etc
mircea_popescu: there are some advantages to having certain people in your equity base. such as that not being idiots, they won't vote stupidtly ; and so on.
mircea_popescu: there are some advantages in having equity in some projects, such as that you can to some degree prevent them from going dumb.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the basis here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any particular implication ?
asciilifeform: simply re the 'contract is important for what it doesn't say' item
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fundamental problem, for which recall bitbet works as well as any other recall, is that you have ~0 chances of knowing at t0 what'll be fair at t2, because t1 is ???
mircea_popescu: the fiat forced mistake is to "o noes, gotta write it down BEFORE". it is forced because fiat world doesn't have a forum, ie, can't communciate, and as a result there's no such thing as meaningful consent, or negotiation.
mircea_popescu: the veheheheeeery shaky premise is that republic has forum and can communicate consequently is not so constrained.
mircea_popescu: might as well test it.
asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
asciilifeform: picture if lenin's band had insisted on payment in advance / monthly invoicing etc .
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "service charges" eg sysadminnery, reboots, os install, vps hosting?
mircea_popescu: i have this utterly psychotic delusion that i don't personally wish to take more than i should have ; nor less ; and that a general system can be built on these premises. why the fuck would he want for me to have fewer shares than i should have ? what sense does it make, he is going to fuck all the women himself ? with what ? solve all the problems ? etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well obviously once you make it ima order servers.
mircea_popescu: like i dun recall, what was it, 3 boxes ?
ben_vulpes: i recall 3 sitting at asciilifeform's lab
asciilifeform: 3 currently in asciilifeform's tortureroom.
ben_vulpes: mention thereof at least
asciilifeform: can turn into moar reasonably quickly.
mircea_popescu: i was listing needs at some point. anyway.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: investigate amperage also.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: will do
ben_vulpes: am working a few other quotes as well, will check in later
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: know anything re the vendor ?
ben_vulpes: also rereading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721921 thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 19:37 mircea_popescu: so in this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
asciilifeform: ( how it is structured. i.e. is it a tentacle ? )
mircea_popescu: hey, if he actually flies there and walks their room i'm pacified.
asciilifeform: will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ?
mircea_popescu: hang on, hang on.
asciilifeform: incidentally anybody interested in the diskless variant discussed in last thread ?
asciilifeform: ( theoretically, can haz 'eternal' boxes, welded shut )
mircea_popescu: alf is basically an explosion. now i gotta go to all the shards and say hang on, hang on individually.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: also what means "lockable sets"?
shinohai: !~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/POE4H/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S24fh/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ? << /me figured camping out a reasonable walk from one's #1 rack reasonable measure in name of responsivity
asciilifeform: 'stierlitz and mueller strolled around berlin, and saw some chix hanging around. 'shall we pick some up?' - suggested stierlitz. 'why?' - answered mueller. - let'em keep hanging'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno ? where is it ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721799☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 18:34 mircea_popescu: and if getting a whole 4/16/36/42 ? lockable sets ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: full cab provisions reasonably with 12.6kW if i understand previous threads properly?
asciilifeform: notbad
asciilifeform: this is a what, 42u ?
ben_vulpes: am estimating and asking for a sanity check on my estimate.
ben_vulpes: mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW
ben_vulpes: have yet to see how this pushes quotes around
asciilifeform: !~calc 12600 / 42
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 12600 / 42 = 300
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: find also if the 12.6kW refers to peak or avg.
ben_vulpes: what do your opterons peak out at?
asciilifeform: 700 ea.
asciilifeform: W
asciilifeform: ( avg. at 200-300 )
ben_vulpes: mk
mircea_popescu: and in random lulz, http://erikanapoletano.com/about/
asciilifeform: whossat
mircea_popescu: random chick. of no consequence other than in how typical she is for the "liberated" horseface-whatserhname demographic.
mircea_popescu: and to round off http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725352 : original blackhatworld was started by a moscow fellow whose name we'll elide.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725340 << i will admit to being curious re what it is mircea_popescu thinks he can use those folx for. they have the apparent intellectual ability of a turnip.
mircea_popescu: it was very much what you'd expect (somewhat anachronistically) of a "silk road 2.0" these days ; replete with moderators scamming users, various independent activities (what the usg calls illegal) and so forth.
mircea_popescu: this all ended in 2011, when a crack team of damien trevatt + gf (one jasmin choudhury ; split cca 2016 to whore out for deloitte uk) took over and pushed it in a "new direction", which consists of trying to make friends with the tedx zone of the blue usg. dood runs some minor conference organizer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723924 item on the side.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 15:16 mircea_popescu: you understand what concert promotion is yes ?
mircea_popescu: if you wish, this is an interesting case of "orange revolution" of a web property. also rather an era ender, since 2011 they're no longer on the web but on the "deep" web whatevers.
asciilifeform: the conversion of a heathenpit into a honeypot, without skipping a beat of music, is fairly common thing
mircea_popescu: dude's vaguely amusing under the "trynna MP" angle, i guess, and moreover the process of pantsuit infiltration is pathology as any other, can be studied.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: iirc there is even a usgological internal term for the process, but i fughot
mircea_popescu: this is interesting because evidently conducted by independent agent motivated by his own delusions of "making it in this game", rather than the more typical case of employee trying to steal from govt.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no schooling, started in the mailroom of ias group (toilet paper suppliers to hospitals etc).
mircea_popescu: or rather, got sucked into there from some "anti-aging medicine" scam / youthful tripod business, whatevs.
asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, there is ~no moneys in the shitware biz. ( consider : spam makes ~0 ; ransomism trojan of global proportions ends up making a few dozen btc at best; what remains ? ...selling 'toolz' to ~penniless idjits ? )
asciilifeform: so it's a -ev game. and ergo no surprise that the people playing it, are turnips.
asciilifeform: not particularly different from the folx who play lotteries
mircea_popescu: it's more to it than just that. up to say about the dotcom bubble, the Official Example of the USG Official Rooseveltian Doctrine of Social Mobility was...
asciilifeform: it's ~exactly the same thing
mircea_popescu: the macdonalds / walmart / liberty mutual "executive" program
asciilifeform unfamiliar with subj
mircea_popescu: ie, you ~have alternative~ : join this usg corporation, wash toilets for a while, climb the ladder.
mircea_popescu: recent http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ as fine an illustration as any other.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it is ALSO a -ev game. there is no social mobility, not in the nato reich at any rate. the faking of it was becoming ever more expensive. and so cca 2001 it moved online.
asciilifeform: napoleon's 'marshall's baton in the knapsack of every soldier' is a lulgag
asciilifeform: it was a gag then and gag now.
mircea_popescu: the self-same no education no family relations no money plebs that were going to go into mcdonalds ccca 1987 went into "seo" and "working online" cca 2007.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda what's going on there. yes, turnips. like all peon spawn ever, like marius' legionnaires, like so on and so forth. they came out of a cunt and are looking for a grave.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually the pseudobusiness tradition is older, goes back to the 1950s american pyramids, 'amway' et al
asciilifeform: 'multilevels'
asciilifeform: the earliest were targeted at gurlz
asciilifeform: ( 'sell makeup-selling-kits to fellow hausfraus, getrich' )
mircea_popescu: those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult.
mircea_popescu: what it says, importantly, is not merely that the roosevelt system doesn't work ; but that participation is in itself degrading.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point here is that having lost any capacity to control the actual reality, the usg took the next possible defensive line, which is to say trying to control the conversation.
mircea_popescu: which is what exact breach in the glorious blue pantsuit the above item is trying to patch
mircea_popescu: and WHY google's "activists only -- not bloggers" project shield will take on an ~aspirational figure~ from the "seo community".
mircea_popescu: and why reddit has "community guidelines" and so following.
mircea_popescu: and, obviously, why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726096☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 06:27 BingoBoingo: And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
mircea_popescu: the reich finds itself in the sad situation where the gothic line is falling apart.
mircea_popescu: if blue usg can't pantsuit the conversation anymore, if the plebs won't sit put and eat their seoexpert/nfl combo, what could happen ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ aka, the generation without. what can you tell these kids to keep them huddled in that disafected warehouse, in 2017 ? 2027 ? once the lights go out ? 2037 ? etc ?
mircea_popescu: aaand for the old crows of the eastern persuasion in teh audience, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYuVQDccNA
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: aaaaha. it's a rerun.
asciilifeform: Visam decenii de suveranitate << lollomatic
mircea_popescu: and proud heroism!
mircea_popescu: aka "where is everyone!!11"
mircea_popescu: (this, ftr, was 1984.)
asciilifeform: it is labeled aha
mircea_popescu: aok.
asciilifeform: 'Inaugurarea santierului pentru constructia Casei Poporului, 1984 iunie 25, cu secretarul general al Partidului Comunist Român, presedintele Republicii Socialiste România, tovarasul Nicolae Ceausescu.'
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out. proper period form, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the warehouse kidz can be corralled into anything at all if can be persuaded that 'no alternative'
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious.
mircea_popescu: review the timeline lined earlier. 20 months of "depression".
asciilifeform: and they'll do what ? raid the meth dispensary ? post angry lolcats on reddit ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703521 ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 04:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703503 << 'he'll email you his fist...' (tm)(r)(mircea_popescu)
mircea_popescu: i expect what they'll do will be actually very similar to that d gerard dude. sort of rotting away.
asciilifeform: aaah ~that~ is already underway, for ~decade+
asciilifeform: asciilifeform refers to it as 'yeltsining away'
mircea_popescu: well evidently, dude's what, 60 ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah. what ever happened to that entire generation after all ?
mircea_popescu: "nothing"
asciilifeform: 'nobody noticed but for the undertakers' (tm)(r)(orlol)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand though, they're ~already doing it~. usg SIGNALS can't hire outside of a pool of snowdens, mannings and reality winners
shinohai: Don't forget Philip Agee!
BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult. << Kinda why Trump's ED secretary from the Amway family really grates the lizards scales. For all their talk, Amway made money helping blacks make money
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.