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mircea_popescu: in any consumer driven market, the price is the only signal of everything. and you do not give as much as a faint whiff of selling the 1k item for ~20 bux. not ever.
asciilifeform: mats: small price if you don't do any serious thinking.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264443 << i don't expect to get anything out of this. or rather, i don't expect to see any of the things that i want, for the price i can afford. this requires broke, desperate americans selling to make rent. and i can't see them doing it on mircea_popescutron ☝︎
asciilifeform: at some point, they won't exist at ~any~ price.
mircea_popescu: you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property.
mircea_popescu: (rate price means i wouldn't pay 50% of that in any case)
BingoBoingo: It's probably fiat from fiat scammers wanting "exposure" at any price
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206146 << i've been mulling over this the whole fucking day, incidentally. if i were ceo of any automaker and the new model made the old models go up in price, i would on the spot fire the entire design team. ☝︎
decimation: asciilifeform: the thing that's odd is that this kind of feature isn't 'avaiable for any price'
ascii_field: and presently, i am failing to turn up usb rtc modules for any price on mass market
decimation: and all that. Except Fat Tony. ... All he knew is that suckers exist. ... If you asked any intelligent ?analyst? or journalist at the time, he would have predicted a rise in the price of oil in the event of war. But that causal link was precisely what Tony could not take for granted. So he bet against it: they are all prepared for a rise in oil from war, so the price must have adjusted to it. "
mircea_popescu: shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.
asciilifeform: 'verizon' fiber will not sell static in residential zone for any price.
ascii_field: for any price ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, just figured with the drama and lulz recently people would be moving any spare fiat into Bitcoin. Drama is the closest thing Bitcoin has to a price signal.
decimation: I donno, it seems to me that as long as any money is going into bitcoin, the 'price' relative to fiat is going to increas
ben_vulpes: <decimation> so can someone explain why the nyse would have a bitcoin index without any actual bitcoin-backed securities for trade? << "price signal" is necessary for securities.
mircea_popescu: "but your honor, it would be a price too high for society to pay were the government granted the right to act because of any defect sufficient to invalidate submitted tax reports"
mircea_popescu: al. It would be a high price indeed for society to pay were every accused granted immunity from punishment because of any defect sufficient to constitute reversible error in the proceedings leading to conviction. From the standpoint of a defendant, it is at least doubtful that appellate courts would be as zealous as they now are in protecting against the effects of improprieties at the trial or pretrial stage if they k
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125774 << try and find -any- of their items, for any price ☝︎
asciilifeform: go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage.
Chillum: one of the great things about bitcoin services is that accounts are not strictly needed. For example you could send a request to a service without any authentication, it could respond with a price and address
ascii_field: and before we say 'the americans and their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price...
asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/pay-any-price-chapter-2.pdf << mega-lulz re: usg idiocy
asciilifeform: as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)
jurov: ;;sell 1 "AWS VPS servers" at 1 BTC "Prepaid for at least one month. AWS price * 1.25 / BitstampUSD. Any other related expenses (like bandwidth) charged extra at same rate. Must abide AWS ToS and react properly to any abuse notices."
asciilifeform: as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg.
the_scourge: it's interesting how the israeli culture generally knows about some of these nuances. the bootneck culture lives and breathes them and i don't think i could have bought that for any price
jurov: also, for all the aspies having such "bad engineering" just feels unacceptable at any price
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.
asciilifeform: 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'
mircea_popescu: This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this "no coins available at any price thing" is looking more and more realistic
mircea_popescu: so any bets/guesses as to what price bitcoin needs to touch for coinbase to fire 9 workers ?
mircea_popescu: watch how in a few short months it won't be possible to buy bitcoin at any price.
mircea_popescu: "the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency."
mircea_popescu: punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect.
badon: It has a mintage of 200 for the silver version, and only around 10 specimens are known to have survived so far. More will probably show up as time goes by, but $4000 price tag did not bring any new ones to the market, which is strong evidence most of them are either melted or permanently in someone's collection.
mircea_popescu: The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner".
asciilifeform: unfortunately this cannot be had for any price short of funding its r&d from ore.
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33371 << a forex fellow in NYC recently put it best: "Any commodity or asset being used as a store of value will experience higher prices than its 'true value'... Bitcoin separates this into a separate asset, enabling better price discovery for the others" ☝︎
BingoBoingo gets the vibe Coinbase lacks coins to sell at any price https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2zr0/coinbase_is_in_trouble_but_its_their_own_damn/
asciilifeform: what is interesting is that genuine product becomes unavailable at any price.
asciilifeform: at any price.
dbolser: if price goes to 1 cent per 10 BTC (lets say), is there any 'value' in mining?
mircea_popescu: still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.
Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options,
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ?
thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges
asciilifeform: (forget 'w. alpha', it's a clown show) mathematica - is example of a product for which not even a vaguely passable (to aficionado) alternative exists, at any price point
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees fro
mircea_popescu: cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble? << it's an indicator. tho it also reflects the center/periphery balance (ie, in any realm, the capital is cheapest and the fringes most expensive. that's where mining happens or w/e, higher risk adventuring. easier money, less boring people, higher risk so many explanations for larger rents)
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the major change here. after the missed boat of govt mining last year, this year the us fed has actually given its infinite fiat backing to any scheme that convincingly may help, and meanwhile to trying to depress price.
TheNewDeal: price above at any point
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: There is no promise that ATC's marketmaker will enforce any floor in price indefinitely, but the fact that the Market Marker's manager actually wants to buy metric fucktons of ATC means you can finally take crypto quarters to the arcade.
Pierre_Rochard: BigBitz: Ok, in the future I will qualify it as “huh. Not seeing any news that could be having a secondary effect because while the price doesn’t revolve around the news, this could be one of the rare news-driven price shifts”. That way there won’t be any confusion.
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. /// til they get bored
Rassah: Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. Doge (and arguably most others, possibly incluing Litecoin) does not.
mrX_: I would be surprised if they made the price public any time soon
pankkake: I wasn't aware of any promise to make the price public
mircea_popescu: Is there any community out there, that despite the price crashes and road-bumps, stick together in such a strong manner, getting stronger by the day?"
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ians realize the dollar system is not in their interest, and they are going to leave it. . . . If any significant part of the world stops using the dollar, the price of the dollar falls because demand for dollars falls, and the import cost for America would rise. When you see how import dependent we are, it would mean a substantial rise in the real cost of living for most Americans.”
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin may be volatile, but it isnt like you can just unload 100btc at any price you target
mircea_popescu: Do u have any personal imformation of BVPS owner?They are fraud.They started buy back at a very low price 2 monthes ago,and it's non negotiation.I can get less than 3 btc.I accept that.And they say they will pay before june 30th. But I havent got any payment till today.
assbot: I have a friend in the USMS and I know the sale price. Ask me any details you want. : Bitcoin
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: ? i dont see any Last Price
mircea_popescu: i wonder if we'll see a draghi hour. (named after "earth hour", where people supposedly don't use any energy for a whole hour once a year, the draghi hour is an hour where nobody buys anything whatsoever. it results from inflationary price shocks, supply side inflationary blockage and people being generally poor and justifiably hopeless)
BingoBoingo: Also there's the part where any high price could become BTC's new permanently elevated plateu
mircea_popescu: <bloctoc> looking for eve online war logs to see if there is any relevance to mpoe price. << now that's diggin' deep.
bloctoc: looking for eve online war logs to see if there is any relevance to mpoe price.
fluffypony: "No genius is needed to predict whether these rigs (or any other in this list for that matter) will ever give a return on investment – the bitcoin price would have to significantly increase or difficulty would have to stabilise for that to happen."
asciilifeform: (keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)
mircea_popescu: i don't think your typical mpex holder has any interest in the bitcoin price of tyhe various fiats.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, no u.s. carrier will sell unlimited (or even 'unlimited') wireless data for any price a human might pay
minersdidit: becuase they just want the price to go up 10x without them doing any work
minersdidit: price stability is NOT wanted in any economy
asciilifeform: phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
antephialtic: investing in neo was basically a highly leveraged bet on the price of BTC itself, with the risks completely outweighing any possible benefits - assuming the business was completely legitimate
mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.
mircea_popescu: that aside, bitcoin will outlive the dollar, in which sense any arbitrary price point will be reached eventually.
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: mike_c i capitulated re s.mpoe price making any sense like a year ago
greenspan_fan: given how any press seems to push the price up
the20year2: ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
Bugpowdurr: It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.
Duffer1: your position is still open if you have any money left and no sellers willing to meat your price
herbijudlestoids: iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price.
herbijudlestoids: does that make sense? the market price of any given option might be very far away from what your model reckons it should be
mircea_popescu: decimation not for any price youll afford to pay.
Vexual: legals still taking money they cant afford to pay unemploed builders at any price
herbijudlestoids: im not trapped in any such mental representation and dont really believe for example that a BTCUSD price punctuation event would need "permission" to occur lol
kakobrekla: >MtGox USD price of Bitcoin to be 40 percent higher than any of the other major exchanges (BTC-e, BitStamp) any time before May.