benkay: hang on WillTablet i have a book for you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+]
benkay: WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market
benkay: The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good
benkay: and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist
benkay: if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets.
WillTablet: Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing
benkay: mircea_popescu: you have recommendations?
benkay: WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs
benkay: WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it.
benkay: WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world.
WillTablet: benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths?
Mats_cd03: i pray to god for investment purposes
Mats_cd03: my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street
mircea_popescu: if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze.
benkay: the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet
benkay: WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials?
benkay: and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt.
benkay: acquire more, don't burn the ones you have.
Mats_cd03: buy some atc, its the hot new thiing
Mats_cd03: in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc
benkay: yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc
ThickAsThieves: WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org
mircea_popescu: WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart.
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
benkay: so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets?
Duffer1: .bait brought to you by Altcoin
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k.
pankkake: well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades
Apocalyptic: pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction
Bugpowder: I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600...
WillTablet: Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless?
benkay: it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally.
pankkake: well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong …
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles.
benkay: save the houries for chaang-noi
cads: hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever
mircea_popescu: he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity.
mircea_popescu: cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ?
WillTablet: I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass
cads: ah, I haven't seen it
cads: is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles?
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think?
benkay: asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we
WillTablet: Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used?
benkay: asciilifeform: context?
ThickAsThieves: that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change
cads: asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories
Chris_Sabian_: TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name?
WillTablet: However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie
ThickAsThieves: youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box
cads: asciilifeform: are there more in the collection?
Chris_Sabian_: there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges
mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted.
ThickAsThieves: all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc
WillTablet: So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound?
mircea_popescu: so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold.
WillTablet: If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it
benkay: goldstain was pretty good
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them?
kakobrekla: sounds like something desirable, goldstain.
ThickAsThieves: i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated
mircea_popescu: ;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam
mircea_popescu: 1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency.
mircea_popescu: 4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa
mircea_popescu: re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money.
benkay: welfare state lemming.
benkay: shoes too, some of 'em.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates.
benkay: WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing!
WillTablet: Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear
WillTablet: Can someone just explain what they mean
benkay: maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill.
WillTablet: Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available
Duffer1: pankakke have an addnode list?
mod6: Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
WillTablet: So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc
WillTablet: Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer
kakobrekla: the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4}
Bugpowder: MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery.
Duffer1: I believe I recall TaT offering ATC
Duffer1: it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder
Bugpowder: We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it?
benkay: Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB
Duffer1: use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf
Chris_Sabian_: you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing
kakobrekla: why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust
Chris_Sabian_: path in windows: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Altcoin
pankkake: the node I'm running is 188.165.216.59 and it's in the source code, if you built from it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite
Bugpowder: Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA.
pankkake: doesn't even have working api!
WillTablet: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
kakobrekla: WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+]
Duffer1: how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to?
WillTablet: I have a feeling this might take a while
Duffer1: did you guys ever get the source?
mircea_popescu: the most inefficient way to process information ever invented.
cads: hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening
cads: I was a trollish ass
WillTablet: So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean?
Bugpowder: I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me.
nubbins`: to drink good wine before one's time?
WillTablet: So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress
mod6: Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi
kakobrekla: Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%)
Bugpowder: People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term).
mod6: I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware.
Chris_Sabian_: mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat
mod6: they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl.
WillTablet: Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable
mod6: So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good.
Bugpowder: WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve
WillTablet: Well, I am just burning up free azure credit
Chris_Sabian_: if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great
Vexual: mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
mod6: Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc.
benkay: also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble.
Bugpowder: ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/
mod6: Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently.
mod6: Chris:that was a buy
benkay: no time to explain. ask the channel.
WillTablet: So why must I quit this Microsoft habit?
jborkl: Bitcore library made all that much easier
WillTablet: So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example?
Chris_Sabian_: but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago
mircea_popescu: i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches.
Vexual: bc is oldmoney now huh?
WillTablet: mircea_popescu: so should I just play along?
WillTablet: Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00087172 = 17.8947 BTC [-] {2}
WillTablet: I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating
WillTablet: Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit.
mircea_popescu: WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff.
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit.
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains
cads: oh hey, that reminds me
cads: has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
benkay: Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
benkay: A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.
benkay: today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012
cads: "Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private
cads: keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute
cads: walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display.
cads: Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time
cads: ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's
cads: just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are
cads: uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM
cads: cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re–elected the communist
cads: government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent
cads: rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In
cads: business news, the US Justice Department is – ironically – outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have
cads: automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of
cads: bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore,
cads: even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms.
cads: Welcome to the twenty-first century."
mircea_popescu: omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own.
cads: - snip from Accelerando
cazalla: hello again cads, how are you today
cazalla: can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you
cads: yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though
Bugpowder: Twitter exclusively from what I've seen.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers.
Bugpowder: Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent"
cads: Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price
mircea_popescu: the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet.
cads: so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools
pankkake: actually, some pools pay with the block reward
mircea_popescu: cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above,
mircea_popescu: "past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool"
pankkake: so you can know, for those pools
Bugpowder: Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false?
Bugpowder: Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book.
mircea_popescu: if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage.
Bugpowder: This is the problem with scientific publishing too
mircea_popescu: the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get.
Bugpowder: For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus!
Bugpowder: Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots...
Bugpowder: But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes
mircea_popescu: i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!"
Vexual: hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter
cads: hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking.
Bugpowder: Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real.
cads: I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost
cads: and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription.
Bugpowder: Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however...
mircea_popescu: i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt.
mircea_popescu: that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay.
cads: my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin
cads: but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact
mircea_popescu: do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ?
mircea_popescu: because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
benkay: i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.00084499 = 0.1766 BTC [+]
benkay: i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser
mircea_popescu: but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on.
mircea_popescu: they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos.
mircea_popescu: i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00087245 = 12.2143 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: au contraire, not nearly short enough
cads:
http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS.
cads: The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car.
cads: It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement.
cads: first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'?
mircea_popescu: cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ?
benkay: i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult.
cads: I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.07182995 = 3.5915 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists.
mircea_popescu: a central exchange where people can trade their deeds.
benkay: people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world.
benkay: in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it.
cads: mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people?
benkay: except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it.
BingoBoingo: freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value"
mircea_popescu: benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that.
cads: The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality.
benkay: you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1390 @ 0.00087169 = 1.2116 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness
benkay: except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu
benkay: the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow
cads: mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir!
cads: arguably their mission is complete :)
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin.
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless.
mircea_popescu: i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted.
cads: I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6338 @ 0.00087376 = 5.5379 BTC [+] {2}
cads: living cramped in a tent*
mircea_popescu: were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter.
cads: mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires
mircea_popescu: does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself,
cads: it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour.
cads: on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING.
cads: they had, get thiss
cads: runners that would run between camps in the city
mircea_popescu: i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?"
mircea_popescu: so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men.
benkay: you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet
cads: the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet
cads: the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent"
mircea_popescu: i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs
cads: maybe that's all white people have to do
benkay: privileged to rape one feminist?
cads: well come on to the MP bank!
benkay: "it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!"
cads: "free checking and savings for students"
benkay: it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults
benkay: banking's just a side-bennie
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
nubbins`: ^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.116 = 1.044 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters
mircea_popescu: srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city.
nubbins`: you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it
mircea_popescu: then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.19376446 = 1.3564 BTC [+]
nubbins`: BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms.
ozbot: US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us.
mircea_popescu: could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off.
benkay: what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane?
benkay: scuse me 8 programmers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer
mircea_popescu: only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before?
mircea_popescu: if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm
benkay: last thing we need is more 99%ers
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit
mircea_popescu: benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem.
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume
KRS-One: i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm?
Bugpowder: benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm.
KRS-One: havent looked for the last week or two
Bugpowder: don't exactly understand why you want to contact them
cazalla: check your bitcoin privilege
benkay: sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder
benkay: plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons
benkay: homie you behind the times like whoa
benkay: ;;google trilema cardano
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls.
mircea_popescu: look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich.
ozbot: Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going.
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet.
BingoBoingo: South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm.
KRS-One: That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150
BingoBoingo: Well it depends on how long they can play pretend.
KRS-One: They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides?
KRS-One: There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while.
Duffer1: brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet
KRS-One: just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets
mircea_popescu: anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand.
mircea_popescu: not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business.
KRS-One: goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets
Duffer1: ohh i see like trilema asset reports
nubbins`: at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation
Duffer1: i took that to mean something else...
BingoBoingo: I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs.
KRS-One: so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?
KRS-One: publications are always quoting prices from mtgox
KRS-One: and they've had a bad rep for years
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears.
KRS-One: Im not making an argument for that really but i dig.
mircea_popescu: that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice.
mircea_popescu: mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ?
KRS-One: Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business.
mircea_popescu: should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ?
KRS-One: Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare.
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue.
mike_c: gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store.
mike_c: hah. might as well swing big
BingoBoingo: Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00087615 = 15.6121 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-]
pankkake: yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning
BitcoinPropagand: nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children.
pankkake: I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance
pankkake: BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute
nubbins`: another upside to X is that Y goes to Z
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k
nubbins`: Z goes to reading wallabee entrails
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07001 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: of the extra hydroxyls
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are.
pankkake: this chan has weird sleep patterns
pankkake: I guess it's why I got sucked into it!
ozbot: [BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange
KRS-One: I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet.
BingoBoingo: Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour
KRS-One: I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart.
KRS-One: A lot of money was involved with that.
KRS-One: I learned a little something in college.
kakobrekla: yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now.
kakobrekla: and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late!
nubbins`: i'm leaving because i'm listless
KRS-One: yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand
KRS-One: point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known.
KRS-One: try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass
BingoBoingo: No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns
KRS-One: even shitts companies make sales
KRS-One: im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087601 = 8.5849 BTC [-]
ozbot: Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit.
the20year1: taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men
Bugpowdurr: Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways.
KRS-One: ozbot just give my my bait
pankkake: gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences
pankkake: when's the altcoin conference?
Vexual: know any cool catacomb clubs?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference.
pankkake: last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was
nubbins`: that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;(
mircea_popescu: "He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol
benkay: goat on the forum today
benkay: "sooner or later greater fools will run out of money"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour.
pankkake: I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth
mircea_popescu: and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties.
Vexual: can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe
Bugpowdurr: <mircea_popescu> in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet.
mircea_popescu: it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad.
Bugpowdurr: I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x
mircea_popescu: what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ?
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange.
Bugpowdurr: Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim.
Bugpowdurr: What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential
Vexual: its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history.
Bugpowdurr: It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.
Bugpowdurr: doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl
nubbins`: ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font
Bugpowdurr: The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable.
Bugpowdurr: You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff.
BingoBoingo: Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica
mircea_popescu: in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot
mircea_popescu: they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea.
Bugpowdurr: It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished.
mircea_popescu: yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video.
Bugpowdurr: I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at.
mircea_popescu: i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me,
Vexual: BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest.
mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: It is Apocalyptic's exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00297498 = 0.952 BTC [+]
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Vexual: shes luck it wasn't my j-lo tape
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BingoBoingo: Vexual: Imagine Niki Minaj's ass adapted to J-Lo's frame
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9699 @ 0.00087647 = 8.5009 BTC [-]
MisterE: I'm starting to think this Manu Sporny fellow is quite the tool
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost a Thing - YouTube
Duffer1: oh nice i totally forgot about that one
Jere_Jones: In a currency pair, one of them is called the "Base Currency". WTF is the other side of the currency pair called? Does it even *have* a name?
Jere_Jones: I have not the knowledge of someone experienced and often ask stupid questions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00290432 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: Jere_Jones, have some cake and finish your blog later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0008765 = 2.498 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: "There are two hard problems in computer science". The second problem.
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo Vexual's answer was surprising but it was a good enough answer for my purposes.
Vexual: i just repeated what you said
cads: martingales are really simple
BingoBoingo: What works better than martingale is full orderbook comination with a wide bid-ask spread
BingoBoingo: Or betting on sporting events with certain outcomes against brain damaged handicappers.\
BingoBoingo: Right now Olympic hockey is quite the honeyhole
cads: I'm not sure how martingales relate to trading strategies yet, I'm talking about martingale measures in the mathematical probability
cads: I'm trying to build up to stochastic integrals
BingoBoingo: cads: The problem is the problem you identified is too broken to solve.
BingoBoingo: Stochiastic shit works in chemistry when mistakes == death from poison gas.
BingoBoingo: In BTC/(rando alternative) idiots happen though.
ozbot: D'Angelo - Untitled [How Does It Feel] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: If you want to plate the hood and trunklid of your car in rhodium sulfate idiots generally won't interfere.
BingoBoingo: If however you try to make some sort of market trade... Idiots emerge to gum the gears of efficiency
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cads: BingoBoingo: idiot percolation theory :)
cads: like holes in a semiconductor
cads: regulation of idiot flows with subtle currents
cads: BingoBoingo: indeed, a lot less predictable
BingoBoingo: 12 minutes left in my birthday. WHo wants to level up some cunts 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
Vexual: you conna spend it on dimitri?
BingoBoingo: Proceeds go to the keep me out of jail for this disorderly conduct charge fund.
ozbot: Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: They see me rollin' They hat'in but they don't cat me ridin BTC.
BingoBoingo: Every month they delay. My defense gets funded, and the prosecution gets sequestered.
BingoBoingo: St Clair County had its chance to catch me with my pants down like a fairy, but nao...
KRS-One: You have a right to a speedy trial.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3548 @ 0.00087669 = 3.1105 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Maybe I want a slow sensual trial, because BTC puts me at an advantage?
BingoBoingo: At the start of the ordeal I had a lawyer.
KRS-One: "I know my rights! I'm entitled to a phone call and a strip search!"
KRS-One: I dig, then stroke the courts.
BingoBoingo: Nao I have a lawyer acting as a paralegal and two appelate court barred lawyers as a safety net.
BingoBoingo: If this shit doesn't get dismissed my warchest is aimed at defending my position that disorderly conduct is a moral fucking imperative.
moiety: it's your birthday today?
moiety: :D happy birthday *hugs* as in sunday or monday
moiety: kk, have you had a good birthday?
BingoBoingo: moiety: A great one. I had delicious beef tongue for dinner.
moiety: oh my mum really likes that
BingoBoingo: Honestly when roasted it is the best tasting part.
moiety: bit creepy when you find it in the fridge aged 7 or w/e
Bugpowder: @pmarca is going off on bitcoin right now.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the parents in that scenario were bad.
moiety: lol no just me being easily creeped i reckon
moiety: anyways, did you family today
BingoBoingo: Saw the brother and his heifer's awesome dog.
moiety: mum's dog liked tomatoes
BingoBoingo: Before the wedding I offered counsel against that, but.
moiety: if your brother is happy, that's the main thing
moiety: my pi is now a server for my email and a page! :D *beams*
BingoBoingo: moiety: Is this a sign you are abandoning node.js based trash?
moiety: BUT look how cool my email is gayle@ely.ag
moiety: fucking so pleased there are no words
moiety: i think i will use moderncuriosity for my business plan
moiety: its meant to have a picture of rome come up too but that wont work
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm honing the stamping plan
moiety: i was thinking, even with 100 orders in one day, still doable, they don't take long to complete each item
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: The dell logo makes me want to not read. Give me a reason to continue.
pankkake: moiety: replace "scr" by "src" in the img tag ;)
moiety: how do you know that pankkake
Jere_Jones: There's nothing of surprise in there except under the "Best Practices For Exchanges" section.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read, article is only 3 years behind.
moiety: omg omg omg ok go again!
moiety: editing via ssh too you know :D
moiety: BingoBoingo: first one was better.. will swap to that one
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I will give you time to read and correct yourself. I'm kinda drunk.
moiety: so am i! lol ok my pic works now
ozbot: Fuck U Betta (Live) - Neon Hitch - YouTube
BingoBoingo: She can fuck you good, but I can fuck you betta.
ozbot: Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch - Ass Back Home (Live on Today 02-03-2012) [HD 1080p] - YouTube
Jere_Jones: Attempt #1 and correcting myself: BIP70 is evil because it, without encryption, would be vulnerable to MITM attacks. BIP70 specifies usage of a central authority for verification of the public keys encrypting/signing the request. That puts control/power in the exact hands that Bitcoin, as a philosophy, is trying to remove it from. A payment request protected by a WoT key would be less
moiety: i haven't heard these folk BingoBoingo
moiety: and i don't think a blog would work with me. i'm the only one interestedin what i have to say lolol
BingoBoingo: moiety: No one seriously blogs for other people other than incidentally
moiety: she looks it in the face
BingoBoingo: A blog is simply the part of the notebook you feel is safe in public
pankkake: own*. and I never had more than 20 readers at a time. and yet, I wouldn't regret it at all
moiety: was that the slashdot day
BingoBoingo: Neglecting the blog for a week I can't drop lower than 30 a day
pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot
pankkake: but I have 75 on another place. so. :)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the only ones I care about read the niggers.txt
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen that on your blog.
moiety: asciilifeform: i has a page!
https://ely.ag go see go see! AND hosted on my own server! AND look at my email address! AND also home-hosted *beams*
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Only use parts of HTML 5 that are contextual.
moiety: oh aye i abandoned the flash page bingo, i got flash block myself lol
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read moar. You seem to underestimate my hatorade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7326 @ 0.00087647 = 6.421 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That alost mtouches into the earlier half country stuff.
BingoBoingo: Romania versus hungary, Canada versus US. Half countries dominate -assets
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that is why S.Time would make BTC so much better.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about a rewrite without the dracula name? Consider the mess between Caligula and the well hung Assirians of the old testament.
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gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: truffles, Namworld, nubbins' You have until the 28th of February to take this chess tournament to tiebreakers or I am withdrawing my pledge to the pot.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.0005101 = 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4680 @ 0.00051 = 2.3868 BTC [-]
moiety: kickstarter been hacked??
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00087647 = 0.8107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9780 @ 0.00087727 = 8.5797 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Jacqueline was seventeen, Working on a desk, When I peered above a spectacle. 0.01 BTC to fucker who names the song, cause it is always better on holliday,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00087501 = 0.9844 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: Damn you BingoBoingo. My search for what is wrong with BIP70 has led me to way too much good stuff to read. I have code to write damnit!
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: All code is worthless without good implementations.
BingoBoingo: Unless tits, in that case show them and GTFO
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Who do you work for anyways who would have you write code for Bitcoin purposes without knowing this shit?
Jere_Jones: I don't work for anyone that has me write bitcoin code.
Jere_Jones: I write bitcoin code because I want to. Or, at least, I will.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: To do something as idiotic as take BIP 70 seriously you must have some dark master. I merely would like an introduction.
Jere_Jones: I didn't say I took it seriously. I only said it was 6 months old when you said that dell doc was 3 years out of date.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I am just saying. I had my 28th birthday, and too little to show for it.
Jere_Jones: Shit man. On my 28th birthday, I was still in the Navy and had not yet met my wife-to-be. 28 is young as fuck.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: BTC is a thing though. I feel like a poor as hoobajew
Jere_Jones: In 10 days I will have my 39th birthday. In my 39 years I have learned that I am damn good at writing code. Yet, I haven't created anything that is worthwhile in a "greater scheme of things" sense.
Jere_Jones: I don't want to hit my 44th birthday and have that statement still ring true.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You seem to be seriously behind
Jere_Jones: Probably. But being behind is not going to get me to give up.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You need to kick your own ass and learn to lisp
Jere_Jones: <insert joke about a speech impediment>
Jere_Jones: Unless "lisp" was a typo and didn't actually refer to the language.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: How you read it is your choice
Jere_Jones: Then I choose to say "huh?" and ask for clarification.
Jere_Jones: Not on the first part. I understood that.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0008778 = 12.2892 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087871 = 16.1683 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I am afro man, Running through the forest with the Ku Klux Klan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07103799 = 1.0656 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088009 = 5.8966 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i think steve needs a new client or soemthing
BingoBoingo: Does anyone in -assets have a line to paul graham
BingoBoingo: benkay I know you mention people being too stupid for that
BingoBoingo: I am ready to whore myself out cheap for one honest business (the rest of them don't need whores)
BingoBoingo: 100 BTC can keep my attention for one year.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter.
moiety: not excited or anything
mircea_popescu: god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision
moiety: look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out
ozbot: Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing.
moiety: all this energy could be better spent elsewhere
BingoBoingo: Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine.
moiety: like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something
BingoBoingo: moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D
moiety: if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good.
moiety: supscript, i just say hi daily
BingoBoingo: BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to.
mircea_popescu: best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense.
mircea_popescu: sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis.
BingoBoingo: I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom.
mircea_popescu: you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang.
BingoBoingo: Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me
mircea_popescu: prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina?
moiety: lol harass who and why?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people.
mircea_popescu: paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people.
moiety: i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with
mircea_popescu: for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000
BingoBoingo: Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year
moiety: you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do.
moiety: where is that and why do i know that name
mircea_popescu: forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience
BingoBoingo: I hold out for Paul graham for one reason.
moiety: aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it
BingoBoingo: Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup.
BingoBoingo: moiety: This is how business happens though
BingoBoingo: Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+]
moiety: lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday
BingoBoingo: Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much.
moiety: what happened to shrem?
moiety: found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right?
BingoBoingo: moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives.
moiety: wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter
moiety: why can't we have leds all year round
moiety: youre very very drunk huh bingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is
BingoBoingo: moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087499 = 8.9249 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: sober is when you don't talk to me
moiety: smahed is when you end up in court
moiety: i think we are in between just now :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice.
moiety: february is next bit isnt it
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you
moiety: understandation incomplete. please try again?
moiety: im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that
moiety: you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican
BingoBoingo: You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham
moiety: did you just say that to him?
moiety: you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over
moiety: herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND
http://ely.ag/ *beams*
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor
BingoBoingo: I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry
moiety: oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link
moiety: lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is
BingoBoingo: moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME.
moiety: i dont know anyone that talks like you dear
moiety: are yous playing chess?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night
moiety: nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+]
moiety: is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00087496 = 10.5643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-]
cazalla: depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57844999 = 3.4707 BTC [+] {6}
WillTablet: Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir
ozbot: Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+]
moiety: -strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58400221 = 1.168 BTC [+]
moiety: hey, steve, please turn off your laptop!
moiety: cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for
cazalla: moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit
moiety: yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
Namworld: "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals
Namworld: soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/
Namworld: monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
Namworld: into account current market conditions. "
Namworld: market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean.
davout: also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure
CiPi: That fat mark liar.
davout: that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help...
davout: "hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless"
CiPi: I`m glad that i don`t have coins there.
CiPi: I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one...
gribble: Current Blocks: 286340 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946
jurov: oh it did already change again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC)
Willdude123: Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal?
davout: Willdude123: define "legal"
Willdude123: In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+]
davout: Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further
davout: bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
Willdude123: Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans?
davout: Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+]
Namworld: [06:30] <davout> bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
random_cat: *which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
ThickAsThieves: [16:54] <ThickAsThieves> so any predictions what gox will announce?
ThickAsThieves: [16:55] <ThickAsThieves> i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation"
Willdude123: I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC
ThickAsThieves: just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer
Willdude123: So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: any men online just now??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+]
moiety: lol sorry realise how that sounded
moiety: ignore me, i had a situation
kakobrekla: ;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies
moiety: maybe, or dog or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :(
moiety: and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know?
moiety: i didn't think it was shallow
moiety: and its a private garden
moiety: thinking on it, about a foot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing.
moiety: it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it
mircea_popescu: didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ?
Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL?
moiety: yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe
moiety: please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me
moiety: i think that makes sense
mircea_popescu: next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial.
moiety: there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging
kakobrekla: well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing.
moiety: i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu
moiety: i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you
moiety: no racoons in scotland!
moiety: but hey! you stopped me crying lolol
ThickAsThieves: will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread
moiety: im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury
kakobrekla: "rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"
mircea_popescu: yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere.
mircea_popescu: why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ?
moiety: I care. i feel she deerved better
kakobrekla: well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten
Willdude123: I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months
moiety: i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later
kakobrekla: Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that
mircea_popescu: why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ?
☟︎ kakobrekla: in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years
moiety: i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp
moiety: oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option
mircea_popescu: so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing.
kakobrekla: Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet.
moiety: yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00087554 = 5.0344 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./
kakobrekla: i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded.
moiety: only the first 7 mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.55540032 = 8.331 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground
mircea_popescu: this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it.
moiety: you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it...
moiety: mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person?
kakobrekla: yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead.
mircea_popescu: you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ?
kakobrekla: why would you want to look up after rome!?
moiety: are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains?
moiety: this reminds me of the place in paris
kakobrekla: >The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913.
kakobrekla: >and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party.
moiety: it's the catacombs im thinking of
moiety: my gosh there is loads of these places
moiety: quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked
moiety: have any of you ever visited any of them?
mircea_popescu: moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ?
moiety: i think i was mircea_popescu
moiety: might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be
moiety: apparently you can get lost in the catacombes
davout: moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows
moiety: i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.552 BTC [+]
moiety: so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs
mircea_popescu: moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes.
davout: the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it
davout: mircea_popescu: exactly, ty
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moiety: lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared*
davout: so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up
moiety: i love that washington post uses wordpress
mircea_popescu: wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too!
mircea_popescu: check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited
moiety: lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space
kakobrekla: anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes
mircea_popescu: Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422
moiety: i would prefer that to rotting in the ground
kakobrekla: well the problem there was war and they were locked in there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00087538 = 8.4474 BTC [-]
moiety: it's a real shame there just now too
kakobrekla: the balkans produce more history than they can consume
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.062 = 0.93 BTC [-]
chetty: I was hoping you guys could explain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
moiety: is this an extremely poor pr tack??
moiety: as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.02467669 = 1.9248 BTC [-] {12}
moiety: either waym they just look like kanyedoms
moiety: who is failcoin on twitter?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57984176 BTC [+]
jurov: sigh, what did the world come to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07101101 = 0.3551 BTC [-]
jurov: hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords
jurov: i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation
jurov: and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better.
jurov: but she decided to slaughter young girls instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00087516 = 15.4903 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.00083781 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism.
moiety: asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 456 @ 0.00023101 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
chetty: asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087568 = 13.4417 BTC [+]
moiety: chetty: so, drakula the big chief?!
moiety: or if written in Hackney, Guv
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07349999 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mike_c: i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: 2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06528571 = 0.457 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00550239 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087468 = 7.7409 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.005497 = 0.896 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.005497 = 0.4617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1245 = 0.249 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0709894 = 0.4259 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.541 = 1.082 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.5378722 = 15.0604 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.53557516 = 6.9625 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.53462825 = 6.4155 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.52354646 = 16.7535 BTC [-] {8}
bones`: no more drakula? I was enjoying that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5}
mike_c: oh no. that's a lot of globals..
jurov: interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too
mike_c: without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector.
jurov: it is the same address despite there were updates?
jurov: or running some old version?
mike_c: do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share
mike_c: you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump
mike_c: i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11149999 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00022801 = 0.57 BTC [-] {9}
mike_c: you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.16230094 = 7.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09500001 = 0.285 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002256 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00087424 = 13.6381 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 33 @ 0.16230094 = 5.3559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.000225 = 0.1949 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02421 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0634 = 0.951 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.096 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.062 = 1.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.09386249 = 1.1263 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 72 @ 0.16230094 = 11.6857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37432 @ 0.00021764 = 8.1467 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 72 @ 0.062 = 4.464 BTC [-]
cads: hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0735 = 1.1025 BTC [+]
cads: Where from? They were pretty good.
cads: It wasn't romanin, was it?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9600 @ 0.00021515 = 2.0654 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00020689 = 0.1241 BTC [-] {5}
cads: hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing?
cads: or has it just fallen into second place
mike_c: goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9827 @ 0.00019425 = 1.9089 BTC [-] {10}
cads: what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out
cads: oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means
ThickAsThieves: if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00087389 = 16.1233 BTC [-]
cads: this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky
cads: above a residential area :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001906 = 1.906 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0965 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc.
deadweasel: the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
jurov: you think anyone here will admit it has something there?
mike_c: well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them.
jurov: does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange
jurov: from 0 to 100000 users in few years?
jurov: i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned
jurov: they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan.
mike_c: jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had)
mike_c: well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources.
jurov: dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers
jurov: nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]
mike_c: second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody.
jurov: what is second market?
ozbot: SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds.
jurov: that does not look like something for retail
mike_c: it's not. $25k minimum.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00087455 = 4.3124 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :)
copumpkin: no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them
jurov: ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps
copumpkin: and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors
mike_c: well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.09384531 = 1.22 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea.
mircea_popescu: gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish.
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable.
mircea_popescu: whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say
mike_c: well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0735 = 1.323 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7855 @ 0.00087531 = 6.8756 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00516082 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.099 = 0.297 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3946 @ 0.00087389 = 3.4484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00510478 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash.
mircea_popescu: what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight.
mircea_popescu: while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud.
mircea_popescu: the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0048923 = 0.2446 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people.
mircea_popescu: o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 318 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ?
mircea_popescu: more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses.
mircea_popescu: because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine."
mircea_popescu: atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue.
mircea_popescu: when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00087627 = 11.4353 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.
mircea_popescu: many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp"
mircea_popescu: "many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty
punkman: cat is thief, goat is snitch
mircea_popescu: punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it.
punkman: well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.0243 = 0.729 BTC [+]
punkman: I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored.
mircea_popescu: if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually.
mircea_popescu: completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind
mircea_popescu: it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message...
mircea_popescu: i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0735 = 1.6905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile,
mircea_popescu: clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture.
mircea_popescu: i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced
mircea_popescu: do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal
mircea_popescu: or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6047 @ 0.00087661 = 5.3009 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ?
mircea_popescu: as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing.
mircea_popescu: this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system.
mircea_popescu: well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp,
mircea_popescu: but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54999982 = 1.65 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.09999995 = 3 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00087393 = 1.0487 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king)
mircea_popescu: quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold"
mircea_popescu: quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it"
ozbot: How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME
mike_c: more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]
jurov: lol and did you hear what italy just did?
mircea_popescu: that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far.
ozbot: "Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra
jurov: but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate
mike_c: that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data
kakobrekla: mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude.
mike_c: except we publish the logs. gotta fix that.
mircea_popescu: nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e.
kakobrekla: fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06742857 = 0.472 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan — a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default
mircea_popescu: ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years.
r3wt: How do i join the WOT
mircea_popescu: totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???"
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kakobrekla: and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube
r3wt: jurov: thank you much my friend
r3wt: i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now
r3wt: i was told to come here
mircea_popescu: which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ?
Apocalyptic: r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ?
davout: kakobrekla: mass is in french
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees
r3wt: Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them
benkay: 14.5% on jd investments eh?
r3wt: other than Dogecoin everything is good
mircea_popescu: we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient.
mike_c: benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months.
r3wt: but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end
mircea_popescu: all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it
r3wt: just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can
mike_c: wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for?
mike_c: we're not exactly acadmeics here
mircea_popescu: r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension.
r3wt: we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.
mike_c: i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.
mod6: are you from openex, r3wt?
mircea_popescu: this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich.
r3wt: you can tell me why im here?
mircea_popescu: after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots.
mike_c: and he writes good books
mircea_popescu: i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio
mircea_popescu: so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.
jurov: what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5257 @ 0.0002149 = 1.1297 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00021498 = 0.6019 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.098 = 0.686 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway.
kakobrekla: ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00021499 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics"
mircea_popescu: there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls
mircea_popescu: because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot,
mircea_popescu: the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be.
mircea_popescu: definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs.
mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo.
mike_c: hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years!
mircea_popescu: plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize.
mircea_popescu: im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!
mircea_popescu: may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.
mircea_popescu: a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have.
mircea_popescu: so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph.
mircea_popescu: cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.
mircea_popescu: that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1497 @ 0.00021499 = 0.3218 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt.
benkay: i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work
mircea_popescu: if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm)
benkay: built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements
ozbot: LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube
benkay: rocket is a hilarious hog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics
benkay: but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body
benkay: we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards
benkay: cut, hardened and packed our own bearings
benkay: it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals
benkay: big fucking bearings too
benkay: 6" id if i recall correctly?
benkay: it prevents control inversion
benkay: tiny small control surfaces at the top
benkay: har not a consideration for this hog
benkay: and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame
benkay: anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body
benkay: they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give :
benkay: on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates
mircea_popescu: the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be.
benkay: then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body
benkay: now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight!
benkay: at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team
benkay: carbon fiber airframe design!
benkay: i designed a regen motor for printing
benkay: too scared to ever test it
benkay: this gentleman chose gox/propane
benkay: not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure.
benkay: defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+]
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG
ozbot: GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki
pankkake: punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :(
mircea_popescu: "let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a
punkman: pankkake: I don't like that part either
punkman: I have nothing to do with it
pankkake: anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together
TomServo: ...YEAH 1 SEC, MINING ALTC0INS BY HAND
r3wt: ;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9
mircea_popescu: r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you.
r3wt: ;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
r3wt: ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?
r3wt: hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands
r3wt: ./msg NICKSERV IDENT
davout: pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be
TomServo: r3wt: register and then ident, iirc
davout: r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify <pass>
r3wt: i'm already ident though
r3wt: says i'm already logged in as r3wt
r3wt: they've always been a thing for superfags
davout: they're like vanity plates
davout: not useful, but nice gadgets
TomServo: WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page
r3wt: i'm in the WOT now yes?
mod6: weird, no keyid or fp though?
r3wt: what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult?
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: r3wt ask your users to rate you
r3wt: so i just say, go rate my otc profile?
mike_c: hmm, better process withdrawals first
jurov: and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business
mircea_popescu: its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents.
r3wt: only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge.
r3wt: there is no trust in business. only money and contracts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7}
r3wt: jurov: you should never trust me in the first place.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals
jurov: r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary
r3wt: Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address?
davout: some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part
r3wt: @jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price
r3wt: for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.
r3wt: maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA
davout: r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses?
jurov: i think now i know everything i need about you
ozbot: javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid)
mod6: r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now!
r3wt: @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails
r3wt: so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so
r3wt: anything i change now will be temporary
davout: r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?
r3wt: i tried == to i believe.
davout: why not if($row["isvalid"])
davout: if it's a boolean that should be enough
r3wt: because it will return the trow anyway?
r3wt: when you rpc call it returns an array
davout: r3wt: using bitcoind right?
davout: mircea_popescu: why not?
davout: just tried it, it returns a bool
davout: so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work
davout: mircea_popescu: oh yes
ozbot: [PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co
r3wt: no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp
davout: r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string?
benkay: i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===
benkay: javascript: equality?!?!
r3wt: lol, no you seem to misunderstand
davout: if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out
r3wt: the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper
davout: r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021497 = 0.4944 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then.
r3wt: no it just returns the array.
r3wt: as far as i'm aware.
r3wt: you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.
benkay: pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations?
pankkake: yeah, really horrible behaviors
davout: r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0951 = 0.951 BTC [+]
davout: r3wt: test it out i guess
mike_c: which noobery? using php?
mike_c: sorry, just had to get a php crack in there
davout: dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight
mike_c: i held my tongue for like a whole page
mike_c: rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble
r3wt: you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow
benkay: make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye
r3wt: HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special
r3wt: actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua
benkay: no seriously, is it equal?
davout: Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator
mike_c: and the ever famous !==
davout: =~ is actually awesome
kakobrekla: benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script
pankkake: =~ is for using regular expressions?
davout: pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match
davout: mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator
pankkake: and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access
davout: pankkake: i don't think you can
jcpham: MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself.
r3wt: ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator
mike_c: re.sub("php", "bugridden")
davout: r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)
r3wt: nope, still didn't fix it
kakobrekla: no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false"
r3wt: i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean
r3wt: was the string false**
mircea_popescu: <r3wt> ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.
mircea_popescu: r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.
davout: "if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where?
r3wt: mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn
kakobrekla: is the array containing string "false" ??
r3wt: yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false"
r3wt: depending on if the address is valid or not
davout: Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names
Apocalyptic: "An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more"
davout: "and probably more" <<< lmao
Apocalyptic: cause you know, it's tedious to call things right
pankkake: it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays
mod6: things can be other things
r3wt: the adults are talking
pankkake: and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts
mike_c: i like how it is "optimized" for all those things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11212 @ 0.00087705 = 9.8335 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string
r3wt: yea i know the difference lol
davout: mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator
pankkake: I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export
r3wt: because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean
r3wt: the class is the wrapper
r3wt: array("somekey" => "somevalue");
davout: mircea_popescu: guess you have a point
r3wt: how can you have a boolean in an array?
r3wt: it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?
pankkake: also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));"
davout: r3wt: why would it have to be a string??
r3wt: the array returns a string?
r3wt: ./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false }
r3wt: damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo
davout: drop your equality test and keep the if
r3wt: $address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; }
davout: r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00087749 = 27.7726 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021498 = 0.4945 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.
mircea_popescu: hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold.
mike_c: seriously... if (!$validity)
davout: then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"]
davout: Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb
mike_c: please don't call php secure
mircea_popescu: to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't.
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test
kakobrekla: <?php print('so basically you are unable to read this davout?'); ?>
davout: kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted
mike_c: mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs."
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
Apocalyptic: kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print
mike_c: you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong
davout: "PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth
mike_c: it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad.
mircea_popescu: i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.
davout: thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security
mircea_popescu: or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
mike_c: but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about
peterl: who is building an exchange in php?
mike_c: r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-]
mike_c: it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything.
mircea_popescu: Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.
r3wt: php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has
davout: if (x === true) { return true; }
mircea_popescu: out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers.
mircea_popescu: now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers.
davout: sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
Namworld: === in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 =
mike_c: it means "equal in type and value"
mike_c: double equal means "almost everything is equal"
davout: how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2467 @ 0.00087464 = 2.1577 BTC [-]
davout: ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood!
davout: PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics
davout: "not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime"
mircea_popescu: so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ?
Apocalyptic: <davout> ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability
mike_c: wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed.
blg: mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed
mircea_popescu: == converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"… although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they’re not. Even JavaScript doesn’t do this.
davout: mike_c: no, because frameworks
mike_c: yes, drupal will save us
mircea_popescu: For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"!
davout: i don't want to live on this internet anymore
mike_c: kako, defend that. "133" == "0133"
mircea_popescu: Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only
mircea_popescu: does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type.
ozbot: PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.
mircea_popescu: I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.
r3wt: so i should be learning python and lisp or what?
mike_c: sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp?
davout: r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning
r3wt: that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error
davout: but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar
mircea_popescu: learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural.
r3wt: well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place.
davout: r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have
pankkake: my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent
ozbot: Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness
pankkake: "implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087418 = 5.6822 BTC [-]
r3wt: yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn
davout: also easiest to get started with
davout: procedural is easiest to comprehend
mircea_popescu: so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.098 = 0.49 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud.
mircea_popescu: herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex.
pankkake: r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use
http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape
davout: working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume
mircea_popescu: 23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke.
mircea_popescu: there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00087341 = 23.058 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume
r3wt: pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?
peterl: mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price?
ThickAsThieves: my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field
mircea_popescu: peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet
mircea_popescu: seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner
pankkake: r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue.
r3wt: btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure
FabianB_: coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too
peterl: don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy?
mircea_popescu: so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins
mircea_popescu: wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00020059 = 2.0059 BTC [-] {11}
davout: mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this
davout: not saying it wouldn't be possible tho
davout: i don't, know, isn't that their business model?
mircea_popescu: basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ?
davout: check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com
kakobrekla: they also squated that much worth of domains
davout: somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi
mircea_popescu: who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ?
mircea_popescu: there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far!
davout: mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP
mircea_popescu: i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz.
davout: bticoin-central.net/com
benkay: what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter"
davout: benkay: denies at the same time, anyway
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore.
mircea_popescu: people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly.
mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs.
mircea_popescu: to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business"
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mircea_popescu: nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements.
benkay: but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu.
davout: no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
pankkake: it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php
ThickAsThieves: "we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087418 = 3.3219 BTC [+]
mod6: You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise
mircea_popescu: the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise.
ThickAsThieves: can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption?
mircea_popescu: the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it.
davout: in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit"
davout: in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you
mircea_popescu: (really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap)
mircea_popescu: davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one.
ThickAsThieves: are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year?
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task.
mircea_popescu: a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit.
davout: ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges
mircea_popescu: the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers
mircea_popescu: the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay
mircea_popescu: another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors
davout: computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines
benkay: originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters"
benkay: now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission."
mircea_popescu: Including a file dumps its variables into the current function’s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope.
mircea_popescu: so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ?
benkay: you just don't understand!
mircea_popescu: well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope
davout: it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on
davout: nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg
mircea_popescu: Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent)
davout: classes, functions, w/e they're all objects!
mircea_popescu: ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way
davout: mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works"
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benkay: what's eulora built in?
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language.
mircea_popescu: there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm
mircea_popescu: i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections)
mircea_popescu: or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror.
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mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over
mircea_popescu: seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08880001 = 0.5328 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful.
mircea_popescu: which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora
mircea_popescu: mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ?
mircea_popescu: i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml
mike_c: xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict?
mike_c: not sure i follow. you mean like soap?
mike_c: i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate.
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mircea_popescu: first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
ozbot: Help - Rational Application Developer
mike_c: hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance
mircea_popescu: mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do.
Jere_Jones: It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant.
mircea_popescu: i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd"
mircea_popescu: The White Hat RAT – A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk.
mircea_popescu: you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat.
mircea_popescu: if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one.
mircea_popescu: back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart.
mircea_popescu: “Hacker’s cannot usually upload information to a website,
mircea_popescu: Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men’s room and comes out screaming.
mircea_popescu: “I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.”
mircea_popescu: “Ah, Monsieur “c” is for chaud, which means hot in French.”
mircea_popescu: “No, sir, not crazy” said the maitre d’, “We are a bilingual city.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00087418 = 0.6119 BTC [+]
ozbot: New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre
benkay: am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-??
mircea_popescu: "The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail."
blg: benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1410 @ 0.00020107 = 0.2835 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards
gribble: Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name.
mircea_popescu: o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not.
punkman: keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
davout: i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg
punkman: I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys
davout: punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names?