assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00032732 = 13.7802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29271 @ 0.00033841 = 9.9056 BTC [+]
williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred
☟︎ thestringpuller: but alf was never a pizza delivery guy so he can't relate.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Another usefull asciilifeform suggested reading is 'Wasp' I think it was our book club book a bit before you arrived
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00033283 = 30.0213 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Yeah, there's a link to a pdf of it somewhere in here
williamdunne: Can't stand reading off of screens, I'll order the paperback
BingoBoingo: Ah, just figured with the drama and lulz recently people would be moving any spare fiat into Bitcoin. Drama is the closest thing Bitcoin has to a price signal.
cazalla: bah misread for 2015 for some reason but anyway
decimation: cazalla: I think the truth is that fags run the tv/newspapers in the us
BingoBoingo: So neighborhood cat started its slaughter early tonight
cazalla: give it a bowl of anti freeze
BingoBoingo: As long as it keeps killing critters less desirable than itself it is fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15233 @ 0.00033298 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
williamdunne: I didn't know they could make people out of plasticine nao
cazalla: if i had to choose, i think i'd opt for the african african than american african
decimation: asciilifeform: plenty of big cats can kill people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45265 @ 0.00032767 = 14.832 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: felis domesticus is overpopulated anyway. haven't you see bob barker?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25185 @ 0.00032353 = 8.1481 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: the rate of blockchain sync seems to go down when you get to block 220000 or so
decimation: it seems to trip on big piles of 'bastard blocks'
decimation: no it moves, but at a slower rate, maybe one block per 10-60 seconds
decimation: does the debug.log contain that kind of information?
decimation: I don't see it. do I need to run with -debug?
decimation: I'm getting plenty of messages like: "ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2b75371e92 mapTransactions prev not found e5e2cf8270"
decimation: I don't have a firewall port open, so everything has to be outgoing
mod6: speaking of sync'ing tests: my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 256863
decimation: the debug.log output isn't exactly very self-explanitory
decimation: I'm going to have to spelunk the codebase more
mod6: it doesn't hurt to run it in gdb either, putting break points at strategic places -- then you can watch it go through the entire process
decimation: I jiggled the handle on the node's network connection and it seems to have forced the ratio of bastards/accepted lower
decimation: in fact now I see no bastards. let me look and see if I can point fingers at a particular node
ben_vulpes: have we done 20 meg bastard block accumulation yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00032244 = 14.6871 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98550 @ 0.00033298 = 32.8152 BTC [+]
decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff. he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: why do the sks keyservers take the position that all crypto checks are 'up to the user'? would you expect your router to check ip/tcp headers?
decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine
☟︎ cazalla: it's all my free cams and me
decimation: asciilifeform: what confuses me is that the processblock messages absolutely come from a particular node
decimation: but looking at my iptraf monitor, there are several nodes connected at once, and traffic seems to originate from a particular node in a somewhat random way
decimation: so I don't understand how you could identify a particular 'bastard block' message as coming from a particular node without added debug statements
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8782 @ 0.00033296 = 2.9241 BTC [-]
decimation: I added said debug and am gonna watch it overnight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93600 @ 0.00032681 = 30.5894 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.0003191 = 19.7523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260100 @ 0.00031512 = 81.9627 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00032246 = 4.4016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00032246 = 4.7273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00031218 = 25.7549 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111828 @ 0.00031011 = 34.679 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00030791 = 12.8706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230300 @ 0.00031052 = 71.5128 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: the article misrepresents what's going on. this is quite likely "broken windows" ideology.
cazalla: "According to reports, the NYPD has allegedly issued more than 1,400 summons for manspreading this year"
chetty: jeeze next they will arrest folks for taking up too much space cause they are fat ..hmm maybe not such a bad idea :P
mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which makes the police become more aggressive which increases the perceived need of the plebs to act tough,
cazalla: and the poor bastards just needed a bit of room for their balls
mircea_popescu: which is a sad state of affairs given the history of new york
mircea_popescu: that city exists primarily because of its renowedly incredible ability to diffuse social tension.
cazalla: article mentions the homicide rate is up so that fits
chetty: apparently its up all over the US, more evidence of social breakdown
mircea_popescu: in other news at 10mn hits / 7mn pages may 2015 stands as trilema's largest month. tananana.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 23:09:48; funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 00:38:16; williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred
cazalla: page 4 on down under google and with that, zzz
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
mircea_popescu: with a time decay, with a penalty for sending bad blocks and a positive for sending good blocks at a good speed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then it could allocate 1/n of its available bandwidth to each available peer, and disconnect peer under a threshold
mircea_popescu: ideally bw_threshold, dc_threshold, bad_block_penalty, per_minute_salary could all be settable via config file.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60890 @ 0.00031795 = 19.36 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: can it somehow be structured to serve that purpose ? as a dump it's ok for now because it's short, but by the time the entire db is processed it will be a gb or some shit. maybe make it a list of entries of the format "name fragment", "first 32 characters in base 64'd modulus"
mircea_popescu: where name fragment is a 32 character match across the users textfield
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:01:54; decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff. he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:03:55; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:05:20; decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine
gribble: Current Blocks: 358801 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47427773469.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.82685
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79653 @ 0.00032505 = 25.8912 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and the harmonic series has, of course, no closed form solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85925 @ 0.00032359 = 27.8045 BTC [-]
fluffypony: and apparently Gavin can't spell your name
mircea_popescu: what's with all the extra vowels people seem to need ? am i too swedish or something ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Any pro tips for while I'm in Bucharest?
mircea_popescu: don't use the scummy people trying to trick tourists into using their "cabs" at the airport ; insist the masseuse actually sucks you off ; avoid street food
williamdunne: Actually on that note, and particularly good places to eat?
mircea_popescu: i could never stand bucharest. i think i spent a total of a week there in my entire life. shittiest town in romania. so i really dunno.
mircea_popescu: it's not that decent and even excellent places don't exist - they certainly do. but romanians are unreliable and southerners are unreliable ^ 2, and so they keep changing.
williamdunne: Kinda looking forward to it, only gonna be there for a few days though.
williamdunne: Just did a google, yeah looks like there's some kinda cool architecture there
fluffypony: [16:19:03] <+mircea_popescu>unfortunately, inhabited. <- it's like what I say about America: beautiful country, the biggest problem with it are the Americans
williamdunne: A country of that size can't exactly *not* have beautiful parts
mircea_popescu: plebs infesting the world are the biggest problem everywhere pretty much, except china
fluffypony: so much space that you don't have to run into anyone :-P
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'll see if I can. If I can convince someone to bugger off with me for the day I will, but only there for a few days :/
williamdunne sees horde of 70,000 tourists preparing to descend upon fluffypony
mircea_popescu: williamdunne only about 100 miles or so, shouldb't be more than a coupla hours.
williamdunne: If I do get there, anything in particular I should be doing?
mircea_popescu: well check out piata sfatului, maybe go on the skylift thing
mircea_popescu: sinaia (the old royal winter residence) is also nearby
williamdunne: Sounds good to me, see if I can get that done the day before Prague
williamdunne: Guessing bitbet.us is against the blocksize increase
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 12:18:33; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0003275 = 1.965 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: wake up this morning and all I see in my BTC feed is derps talkinga bout hard-fork?!?
thestringpuller: Then I would think I was legit in the twilight zone if i saw headlines like "Prime Minister of UK to have intercourse with female pig."
jurov: i have no idea why my keys are listed there, too. i have extended the expiration date of D0AEE7D7 few times, then removed expiration completely.
jurov: but periodical prolonging is normal course of events, even recommended to newbs, there should be many more such keys
jurov: now, how one checks that: "Please make sure these are yours" ?
jurov: i'm slow on uptake today.. exactly which keys share the moduli? and how can EDDF63E share more than 2 moduli with other keys?
williamdunne: thestringpuller: Funnily enough, half of the derps in the derp list are d.somethings
joecool: jurov: i think it's keys with multiple uid's?
jurov: joecool: what do you mean_
joecool: well i don't see any in there so far without a second uid on the keyserver
joecool: oh nevermind i see what it is
jurov: for example what exactly is 8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E ????
joecool: asciilifeform: yeah i realized not now, i should have looked closer before answering
jurov: how is it possible to create such key so that it has my factor in?
jurov: asciilifeform: no i meant how do i check someone used my whole moduli vs. someone actually has one or both factors?
jurov: ok, thanks for explanation. i have not realized the difference between moduli and factors
jurov: yes, but gpg keys are not pure rsa
jurov: i mean there can be multiple rsa keys in one gpg key, no?
jurov: like EDDF63E ... and looks like it was submitted to phuctor directly, i can't find it on sks keyserver
jurov: is the original submission for EDDF63E available somewhere?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72443 @ 0.00032383 = 23.4592 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.0003286 = 29.9683 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 280995
mod6: meanwhile, I'm nearly there with this gentoo install on this pos box. i did something funky i think, at the end of lastnight grub was screwed up. need to figure that out.
mod6: ah, up to 20 moduli broken now 'eh
mod6: ah, and my key was re-tested
mod6: ok, i see you fired up the werker, stopped the pump
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, whatever, random derp trying to sell books or whatever by "being controversial"
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 16:48:57; asciilifeform: the idea of phuctor is to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere. the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors - that is, two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.
decimation: asciilifeform: as an example, I have 131 'BASTARDS' between two accepts
decimation: I added the ip of the node that was passed when ProccesBlock was called
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm trying to crawl my way through it. are these nodes actually hostile or do they just not have the full blockchain?
decimation: jurov: there is definitely tracking of when a node was 'last heard'. what misbehvior are you talking about?
jurov: "misbehaving peers"
decimation: jurov: yeah it does seem that there is some tracking of orphan spamming nodes
decimation: but I'm not sure if those checks actually are effective in the bastards case, gonna need to read more code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00031667 = 27.3141 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: If the US replaced its discretionary monetary policy regime with a gold standard, defining a "dollar" as a specific number of ounces of gold, the price-stability and employment outcomes would be better for the average American.
decimation: William Nordhaus of Yale: '10 strong disagree' This proposal makes no sense in the modern world. Just look at the Eurozone to see the consequences.
decimation: Anil Kashyap of U. Chicago '10 strong disagree' A gold standard regime would be a disaster for any large advanced economy. Love of the G.S. implies macroeconomic illiteracy.
decimation: if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go
☟︎ williamdunne: Deflation is bad because why buy a sandwich today when you can buy two in 30 years
Adlai plays devil's advocate; or rather, s/evil/avout/
Adlai: if we're gonna have live trades, why not add paymium?
jurov: premature optimization, i guess
Adlai: premature hyberbitcoinization is the root of all bubbles
Adlai: it's ok, you start looking for a toilet after 750 nuggets
williamdunne: jurov: Have you seen online.net? Its kinda like the server hosting thing you were looking at
jurov: williamdunne: yes i knew about it. but, what do you think "victim of its own success" mean? :DDD
midnightmagic: A 100% freshly-installed, default-settings online.net server in France was owned virtually immediately. Online.net support didn't answer the reinstall ticket for a month. If online.net has been successful, then success probably caused them to start sucking.
midnightmagic: There also doesn't seem to be any ways to use keys without passwords, or set up new servers without email.
williamdunne: jurov: Out of stock, too many people bought that cheap 6 euro dedicated server
jurov: I personally got only an offer to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo
☟︎ williamdunne: Yeah its definitely not a perfect in every way, but looks pretty good
williamdunne: jurov: Wow, I can get you better than that. Thats pretty pathetic
midnightmagic: williamdunne: We are forced to use a TLS channel to order product from them. We should be able to spin up a fresh server using that interface solely, and ssh keys entered via it.
williamdunne: i.e using the cheap blades how many servers can you fit per maybe 48us?
williamdunne: midnightmagic: SSH would be preferable, but how important is it really?
midnightmagic: Important enough when the alternative is an emailed rootpass. :(
williamdunne: Can't you just change it as soon as you connect
jurov: williamdunne: pwned immediately, see above
midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
☟︎ danielpbarron: >> At this time, I oppose increasing the block size limit as per Gavin's proposal.
Adlai: !s dpb from:ascii*
Lk4_DPB: i was at some event in milano and they talked about assets as a the place that knoews best about bitcoin adn that discovered a probem with rsa keys
Adlai: the keys are fine, the servers are fucked
Lk4_DPB: the servers accept any key is the problem?
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 01:17:36; ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!
Adlai: Lk4_DPB: doubtful, it's more likely the dud keys were placed there intentionally
Lk4_DPB: by the owner or someone else?
Adlai: why would key owners distribute bad versions of their own keys?
Adlai: although i guess it could be an experiment, and the experimenters wanted to only diddle their own keys, to minimize collateral damage
Lk4_DPB: i would not know, perhaps it was not a smart question
Adlai: there are no stupid questions, only stupid people
gribble: Current Blocks: 358878 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1985 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 56719622139.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.18493
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 19:47:00; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it. the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible to be braindamaged.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149130 << notwithstanding that the dudes in question are probably illiterate, gold standard does in fact not work for a large array or reasons. this exercise is not unlike an attempt to deride qm on the grounds that the various twerps making money out of govt grants in physics academia could not explain it.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 20:42:43; decimation: if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go
mircea_popescu: and gold standard != deflation for the record. not anymore than diarrhea = transpiration
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136 << the latter point is correct, for now. but, much like us being here makes live marginally harder for now, yet the presence of punishment for idiots provides them an incentive to either get killed or get fixed, just so putting that in there pre-pogo provides an avenue for the network to purge itself of idiocy.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
mircea_popescu: in the case of the blockchain, the existence of nodes that pump out bad info.
mircea_popescu: in the case of the world, the existence of people that pump out stupidity.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149979 @ 0.00031638 = 47.4504 BTC [-] {3}
Adlai: !s patch gribble OR nanotube
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 23:32:24; midnightmagic: nanotube accepts patches pretty solicitously :)
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:27:33; asciilifeform: i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and someone coding in windows and without much of a clue about programming as a theoretical discipline.
Adlai: nonsense, satoshi had every clue about proper code, but he didn't want to make it too easy
Adlai: gotta leave something to work for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time the 4096 ounce bag should have been enough for everyone.
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 22:53:20; midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00032489 = 27.7781 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai found that in the gribble source, didn't realize it was just parotting a value from elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00032857 = 19.6321 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: rewriting the block explorer now, Adlai ?
Adlai: nope. nope nope nope
Adlai has already (defun-json-rpc bitcoind.rpc ..)