assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60399797 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.
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MGK: Anyone interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
MGK: nubbins you interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
MGK: I can make a thread on btc talk and post pictures if you like, asking only 1.5
MGK: I have to be honest, Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago
MGK: 1min I will take some now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...
cgcardona_: high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish
MGK: eh well ill save the time taking pics then.
cgcardona_: and then I ran a script to sort them by denomination as well.
MGK: Only have this one left, just sent out my .5 to blazedout this morning
cgcardona_: 6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.
cgcardona_: prob the gold bars I guess though I'm unsure if those were included in the masterlist
MGK: anyone a fan of pawn stars? I have an autographed old man 1oz silver coin lol
cgcardona_: is this what you're talking about but w/ 1 btc loaded on it?
ozbot: Casascius 2013 0.5 BTC brass coin BTC 0.69 with shipping
cgcardona_: yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00099706 = 10.868 BTC [+]
MGK: The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.
MGK: I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.
cgcardona_: It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)
MGK: Thats the old man himself!!
cgcardona_: (from pawn stars the show on the history channel)
cgcardona_: how do transactions like this work? do people just go off of bitcointalk trust scores?
cgcardona_: i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that
MGK: No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.
cgcardona_: let me think about it. I'm def interested
gribble: Nick 'MGK', with hostmask 'MGK!42421ed3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.30.211', is not identified.
cgcardona_: i want to add some casascius to my cold storage
MGK: I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also
MGK: I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat
MGK: Ive heard of that but tbh its confusing, if youd like to walk me thru it I am willing to set it up
cgcardona_: yea let me watch that thread and once he confirms that he got it I'll think about it. thanks
MGK: No problem, he will have it Wednesday.
MGK: Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.
MGK: Alright I promise thats it lol
cgcardona_: that sounds nice. what are you asking for that?
cgcardona_: is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here
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MGK: Im not sure, Ive been in this chat maybe 3 times. We can take it to private messages if you like.
mircea_popescu: MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?
gribble: (bids [--under] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>. If market is supplied, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD.
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
MGK: Ok I will over look that, thanks.
cgcardona_: yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|
cgcardona_: all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.
cgcardona_: i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email
cgcardona_: and it arrived in like 3 days and I got a personal email from Canton.
cgcardona_: well to take money from people like me I suppose
cgcardona_: yes you're right I can make it myself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00099703 = 9.2724 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time
cgcardona_: i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool
jborkl: why would you pay for that?
jborkl: a pi would not even run bitcoind worth a shit
jborkl: it would be easier and cheaper to get a free instance on AWS and run bitcoind on it
jborkl: it you were so inclined
cgcardona_: not if you're trying to create cold storage from an air locked box
jborkl: but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?
jborkl: so I did not think that applied
cgcardona_: this just encapsulates it into one device
jborkl: thermal paper tends to degrade over time
cgcardona_: now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE
mike_c: asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?
mike_c: or, what do you recommend?
cgcardona_: i turn on loud music and shake my booty to generate extra entropy myself
cgcardona_: oh I see that's by my Bizarro world clone cgCARDANO - very nice
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jborkl: why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in
mike_c: oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)
cgcardona_: i figured just putting all of my btc behind a 'hello w0rld' brain wallet would be good to go
jborkl: I will post up the adress tomorrow
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"
mircea_popescu: whilke this approach often creates half-decent "art" (known in this space as lulz) it neve actually makes a bridge.
jborkl: and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl
jborkl: unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)
mike_c: open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.
jborkl: what is a scram zapper?
mike_c: it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
cgcardona_: yea that's what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify
mircea_popescu: well, "your". just this idle example you made up obivously.
danielpbarron: i have since ordered some more rolls of paper and I also have not recieved a confirmation email or shipment
cgcardona_: ok well I guess that's 'good' to hear that someone else hasn't received any confirmation recently.
cgcardona_: at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.
danielpbarron: i heard the piper guy was at one of the conferences recently
cgcardona_: supply != demand. I smell an opportunity.
danielpbarron: i had to hack it a little to make it stop printing the ugly extra private key and url at the bottom
danielpbarron: it's more annoying to not have the paper than to be ripped off for a little coin
cgcardona_: i'm just erked cause I've been wanting to get my coins off of web wallets. I trust no one at this point pretty much.
cgcardona_: blockchain.info is pretty good of course. Coinbase has been all kinds of screwy lately.
danielpbarron: i have had sketchy stuff happen with coinbase recently too
cgcardona_: yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.
cgcardona_: the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.
danielpbarron: i accidently double sent a transaction, luckily to someone I knew irl
danielpbarron: i sent a test transaction of 1 mBit and it showed up no problem, so i sent the original transaction again
cgcardona_: yep *cue the 'if you don't have the keys you don't have the btc* mantra
danielpbarron: is anybody familiar with ssss-split and ssss-combine ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00100328 = 25.3328 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: #20222 Thu Mar 27 14:19:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 2013 1btc silver Casascius 1Ag1 @ 2.3 btc (None)
mike_c: half the btc and double the numismaticness. sounds like a deal!
ThickAsThieves: mp your pilot idea seems like it had some threads missing
ThickAsThieves: i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place
ThickAsThieves: it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00083066 = 0.2658 BTC [-] {6}
ThickAsThieves: i think it's just tricking me to spend more credits reloading!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 231 @ 0.01005333 = 2.3223 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1155 @ 0.00082544 = 0.9534 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2360 @ 0.00080716 = 1.9049 BTC [-] {7}
B007: credits 18UjWu214iygVkA1umQLZaJ8DRtrpS4mFS anyone who sends me 1 btc gets 1000 btc back
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2120 @ 0.08299776 = 175.9553 BTC [-]
decimation: the woes of the rent controlled apartments in palo alto
decimation: This "U visa" amuses me. Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??
decimation: Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing
decimation: why does she have to living in the middle of SV? So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
decimation: just like Mr. Zuckerberg's campaign to import foreign engineer-slaves - who will beg to pay $100k to pay $100k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.01 = 0.78 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: They beg to get $100k to pay $100k, in the best case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.085 = 0.595 BTC [-]
decimation: perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army
decimation: wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00100212 = 1.0973 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: sounds like a great way to accelerate inequality and increase renting
decimation: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings
MisterE: "White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.”"
decimation: is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell mirceau_popescu 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
decimation: both wifi and bluetooh are terrbile for low-latency flight control
Mats_cd03: i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit
Mats_cd03: for... aerial photography, i guess
decimation: RC transmitters use analog FM, no encryption
decimation: nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS
tg2: most don't use encryption, but some do.
artifexd: asciilifeform Can you recommend a reasonably priced hardware rng or an acceptable software rng?
artifexd: Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.
decimation: ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion
artifexd: reverse biased diode? geiger counter? Something like that?
artifexd: My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.
decimation: nothing can replace analysis by a human brain
ozbot: NIST.gov - Computer Security Division - Computer Security Resource Center
decimation: one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway
artifexd: What kind of rng will the cardano use?
decimation: ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?
decimation: I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it
Mats_cd03: do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months
decimation: thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?
decimation: what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?
decimation: surely labor doesn't account for that difference
decimation: chinese bezzle is spent on its production industry
decimation: I guess this is why it only costs $1 to ship anything from hong kong
MisterE: hope the delivered quality is acceptable
decimation: so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory
MisterE: what are you making asciilifeform ?
decimation: what was your smallest trace pitch? 8 mil?
MisterE: it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?
MisterE: some ICs requiretraces so close it looks insane
MisterE: component insertion is a bitch
decimation: well, surface mount is a bitch without solder mask
decimation: well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board
decimation: did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board? are you a fan of eagle?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00099701 = 20.339 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Business as usual
decimation: ascii - secret electronic evidence is a perfect fit for the US confession-based legal system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00100076 = 34.3761 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00100324 = 4.3139 BTC [+]
ozbot: I am going to build a true random number generator ...
kakobrekla: a well i might have jumped the gun, nothing particularly interesting except for the fact of recognizing the problem.
artifexd: I've learned that the raspberry pi has a hardware rng. My current plan is to build use that. I'll Von Neumann it if necessary. Regardless, as soon as I get one, I'll use the tools asciilifeform recommended to measure the entropy.
kakobrekla: how do you eval such result correctly then
kakobrekla: so you are saying diehard will show a nice numbers on rpi as well
kakobrekla: so how do you know, for the particular case of rpi, that it is indeed fucked?
artifexd: Hence your recommendation to build my own?
kakobrekla: im not using it myself but i am curious
kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs
kakobrekla: but it is (near?) impossible to prove its good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9132 @ 0.00099642 = 9.0993 BTC [-]
dub_: ;;later tell nubbins` whats a trusted canukistani buttcoin shop? hashtag lazyweb
nubbins`: i know almost all of those words
nubbins`: you trying to exchange btc for cad?
nubbins`: cavirtex changed their verification rules recently, can't recall the details
nubbins`: they're the only place i've used in the past, but honestly i don't feel too great about them these days
nubbins`: vault of satoshi is another, but i think lower volume and they trade in doge, so...
dub: damn, if you think of somewhere gribble me, gotta go catch a boat, not sure when ill be back on-grid
nubbins`: no sweat. wish i could give ya better advice
nubbins`: meantime, it's somehow 4am, so i'm off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16140 @ 0.00099614 = 16.0777 BTC [-] {2}
twizt: everyday same shyt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00099476 = 8.4057 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls.
bounce: asciilifeform: I forgot who mentioned to hook a 10k resistor to a mike in, turn up the gain, and feed that to the entropy pool. how suitable an entropy source is that in your opinion?
kakobrekla: its crappy unless you are fucking 5 hookers at same time to gather the noise
keonne: ThickAsThieves: missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
keonne: mircea_popescue: I actually havent met Dan Held in person, and my intel is lacking in the hot or not space
keonne: He has a very deep and masculine voice though.
keonne: omg if I see mpoe-pr at the conf, I so am going to get her autograph and ask hope she emasculates me
jurov: i *am* using rpi as a wallet (with electrum), however:
jurov: sd card is encrypted and i always use keyboard connected directly to rpi for passphrase
jurov: i don't connect it to switch, but with patch cable directly to notebook
gribble: User 'keonne', with keyid 7EECABD58314C40C, fingerprint 1EECFCBA5A9A5470B2149FA37EECABD58314C40C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keonne . Currently authenticated from hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com .
Guest45980: hey guys, do you know a chart of the hashpower of the whole altcoin space?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00099417 = 19.9828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00099531 = 2.4007 BTC [+]
jurov: dexX7: there is much property leftovers from cold war
jurov: and it is certainly continuously maintained
jurov: the picture looks like koenigswarte hill here near bratislava
jurov: yea it definitely is. the photo is made from tourist lookout tower next to the installation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00099531 = 4.2778 BTC [+]
keonne: mircea_popescu: put in a good word for me
jurov: CoinBr going under maintenance, brb in couple hours
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 449.0, Best ask: 450.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 450.95, 24 hour volume: 8774.11284429, 24 hour low: 446.0, 24 hour high: 461.17, 24 hour vwap: 452.12891933
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00099756 = 9.7262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously it's just a draft, i wouldn't expect to be filmed verbatim.
mircea_popescu: trilema looks for two things to find bots : whether you've actually loaded the page you're commenting on (which can throw it for a loop if the page you load gets expired while you try to comment, but this is indeed rare) and whether youve loaded it very recently (like a few seconds sort of recently).
mircea_popescu: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings << HARDLY :)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i imagined that's what you probably meant, but i discarded it because it made 0 sense. you don't care what the channel is like, you encrypt the message not the conduit.
mircea_popescu: i can somehow send you email perfectly safely by pastebining it. do the same, alter the firmware to use gpg signed packets.
punkman: you care what the channel is like, or it might just offer up DMA access to the other end
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if the thing actually offers dma to all comers, idun see why you'd buy one
jurov: kakobrekla yes. if someone is in my machine *and* knows what i'm doing on the ethernet port, i'm having bigger problem that some warm wallet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla maybe point out to him that cardano will likely beat him to market and it'll be cheaper to just wait ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, you're banned, i got no pr and gerald hasn't yet enough of a clue to be here.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: RE: Negro speak -> The sleeping bag luffa reference most likely refers to the sponges, as most american sleeping bags have cheap synthetic interiors and fillings
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but does it feel like the warm comforting feminine touch of the mother, or of the wife ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs << all PROPRIETARY, closed products.
mircea_popescu: like, you know, i'll never eat something i'm not allowed to look at.
jurov: anything else on the shelf contains magnutide more close code than rpi
mircea_popescu: i never heard of any practical classification of viruses by... size. what diff does it make, 2kb.
ozbot: BBC News - Paralysed men move again with spinal stimulation
jurov: so what. imma gonna fucked someday one way or other
jurov: the openssl shit today... to be 100% sure one'd need to rebuild everything
dexX7: the guys in -dev said updating openssl only is fine
mircea_popescu: jurov wanna hear something funny ? i just paid the largest bonus today, of my entire history in bussiness
mircea_popescu: do you know to whom ? to the guy who nixed upgrade from 10.04 on all my ubuntu systems, because, he said, "meh".
mircea_popescu: guess who never run any broken openssh. possibly the.only.one.on.the.internet.
jurov: that' s just a luck
mircea_popescu: yeah, the first time people do this sort of shit i call it luck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009984 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: this was no coincidence, this has been a) deliberately inserted and b) widely and systematically exploited.
mircea_popescu: everyone involved is going to his grave with his tail attached.
truffles: Apocalyptic i didnt think i gave a clear picture of how things went down so ill paste relevant lines
truffles: hmm many lines were exchanged heh
keonne: I think there are two K's in grokking mircea_popescu
keonne: also very glad im lazy and never update my shit, take your rolling releases and stuff them.
mircea_popescu: english has double k's ? what is this, wannabe-italian ?
keonne: definetely luck, and not smarts in my case.
keonne: im pretty sure Heinlein made up the word
keonne: fair enough, we all have principles we need to live by - i respect that
truffles: Apocalyptic i'll copy paste when ure around
ozbot: Main/Rainbow Pimp Gear - Television Tropes & Idioms
dexX7: do you have any info about real cases were gpg contracts and similar were binding in a legal matter?
punkman: dexX7: a contract is a contract, it doesn't matter what kind of paper you use, or how you scribble your signature
mircea_popescu: that aside, yes, the court is not at liberty to disconsider it anyway.
dexX7: punkman: but a contract is worthless, if it could be easily forged
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33682 @ 0.00099589 = 33.5436 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (ie, to say "i did sign this but it should not bind me because it's a gpg contract" and to say "i never signed this" are different stands in court)
keonne: The point is valid, everyone who’s never tried it before imagines sex in the bushes is a great idea. I know better.
mircea_popescu: "wanna get on your back so as to insulate me from all this shit ? " "sure!"
mircea_popescu: punkman possibly a normal average bath tub is the worst.
keonne: yes i lost my virginity on a beach
keonne: besides sand in undesirable locations, pretty sure we were being watched by those who made the beach their home.
punkman: seawater is weird yeah, screws with the lubrication
keonne: in fact, I know were were being watched, because three came out of the dunes to watch.
keonne: water in general screws with the lubrication
keonne: plus coming in any kind of water is asking for trouble
truffles: not to mention all the parasites that could be in it
truffles: but for some ppl whats one more disease hehe
keonne: the cunt I was with then was a parasite
keonne: i really should not be using my real name on here...lol
punkman: I've spotted a nice glass elevaror that's begging for it, only goes 5 floors up though
keonne: ok well i finished the waterfall of an article
keonne: now to swim through the river of footnotes
truffles: i just thought its interesting what the house looks like if its 5 floors!
keonne: so is there like a class of people here who do nothing but connect and disconnect all day and never chat? or am I missing something.
truffles: chat rooms are a new concept to some
ThickAsThieves: mjr1 probly uses an android app or something that wakes everytime he checks his phone
☟︎ keonne: that makes sense ThickAsThieves i already ignored him though
keonne: Does he contribute to chat? I dont want to miss anything
ThickAsThieves: well if it's the normal mjr, he pops in every couple mos
keonne: I unignored, perhaps I was a bit too hasty, and the android explination makes sense
truffles: he peaked at chatting last yr i guess
truffles: ya he actually spoke a bunch before
keonne: seriously tho, learning to screen session is an important part of irc
truffles: some1 should nudge him to do a 3rd
keonne: god dammit my inbox is filled with heartbleed bullshit
keonne: can I borrow your rock truffles ?
keonne: i'd like to hide under it
ThickAsThieves: give an exploit a good name and everyone pays attention
keonne: they even had a logo ready
dexX7: + a nice landing page
keonne: is it running google analytics
keonne: nope, it would have been hilarious had it been
truffles: keonne what irc client do u use?
keonne: well i connect to a shell, and run irssi inside a screen session
mircea_popescu: keonne guy used to try and organise a ny central park bitcoin group buy thing.
keonne: 5 story elevator doesnt give much time really
mircea_popescu: and the point of fucking is going up and down repeatedly, i thought.
keonne: i already unignored him, again i rather not miss interesting chats, i just havent seen anything but connect/dissconnect
keonne: oooh, that explains what im doing wrong
truffles: push the emergency button when reach 5th?
truffles: im just saying not something id do
MisterE: Being John Malkovich I think :)
keonne: i could write a script for irrsi i suppose
truffles: i actually think mp sex would appear boring id skip that
bounce: a script to ignore joins/parts?
bounce: /ignore * CRAP already takes care of it. not a good idea if you're chanop, but if you're not, well, this is freenode. it's full of CRAP.
keonne: "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
keonne: mircea_popescu: highly likely
keonne: lets see if I did that right..
keonne: someone say something ?
gribble: hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
keonne: mircea_popescu: im curious as to why you say that
keonne: my father and grandfather are dyslexic
MisterE: [20:58:07] MisterD is now known as MisterE
keonne: yeah i fucked somehting up
keonne: mircea_popescu: no i meant the dyslexic comment lol
mike_c: it feels nice to see somebody besides bitcoin getting a public whipping. thanks openssl!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00571026 = 1.1535 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 106 @ 0.00154721 = 0.164 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05400024 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: I'd rather it be something I dont care about like Java or Flash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00099158 = 6.2152 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Java and Flash lack the utility to get hit this hard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005845 = 0.1461 BTC [+]
MisterE: true, even a full implosion by either woud be just another meh by now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031 = 0.248 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03099999 = 0.434 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05299999 = 0.318 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05400024 = 0.216 BTC [-]
ozbot: NASA to end most activities with Russia - CNN.com
BingoBoingo: To be fair the various space weapons treaties and agreements made spaceflight a much more boring prospect
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11008 @ 0.00100116 = 11.0208 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 I ptfoed. If/when you get this you aren't busy, pm me.
mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen.
ozbot: [Python] heartbleed ssl test - Pastebin.com
danielpbarron: made my trilema credit payment back and then some by betting on MPOE :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032099 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05075 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
keonne: java? give oracle some time, it is inevitable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032099 = 0.1284 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04921785 = 0.3445 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.
keonne: Russia raises price on gas for Ukraine
keonne: See U.S., Russia crew lift off into space
keonne: Russia could invade 12 hours after order
keonne: In 2011, NASA retired its space shuttle fleet, its only means of getting to and from the station.
keonne: "This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years"
keonne: if top priority over the last 5 years, why retire the fleet 3 years ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
keonne: soon to buy stinky cheese and wine for bitcoin
Mats_cd03: "FBI says Russians Out to Steal Ideas From Tech Firms"
keonne: monoprix is huge - if you read french i suggest reading that, that CEO knows whats going on
keonne: he isnt CEO sorry, he is director of ecommerece
Mats_cd03: the magic of technology, i dont has to read french
BingoBoingo: I think the most terrifying prospect I could imagine for Bitcoin would be MP moving Trilema to French... So resistant to machine translation.
Mats_cd03: We do not yet understand the magnitude of the subject. Yet I am convinced that not to believe, it would be like not to believe in social networks there some time. Certainly there is no transaction in social networks, but there are relational in transactional ... and social networks contribute greatly. Do not believe the contribution of bitcoin in the
Mats_cd03: transaction, it is also a mistake.
Mats_cd03: any french speakers have a clue wat hes actually saying
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.032099 = 0.8988 BTC [+]
keonne: my french isnt good, but I am currently in France with a native speaker
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You seem. It seems like a language where the vocabulary is statutorally restricted would be especially amenable to machine translation, but practice is different
keonne: I think something along the lines of 'the french dont get it yet, they think its a thing for crooks and money launderers, but not believing in bitcoin is like not beliving in social networks a few years ago
keonne: and you cannot say that they are different because social networks too deal with transactions (though of a different kind), and indeed social networks will have a big impact on bitcoin
keonne: something along those lines anyway
Namworld: Wait, what is this about? Not translating apparently.
keonne: Monoprix to accept bitcoin end of 2014 apparently
keonne: Namworld: please excuse if I butchered that, like I said, my french is garbage
keonne: give me it in esperanto and i'd be fine, lol
Namworld: idk why esperanto, seems counter productive. English is already so widely used (Not as native language but all combined)
Namworld: Although yes Mandarin is at the top, but not really used outside of China.
benkay: i'm testing a strategy for location selection over the next ten years: prefer big network pipe installations and electricity generation sites over pretty much anything. theory being that people with money invested in internet hardware will deploy capital to protect it, need lowly others to run the machines, and provide the armed convoys of food that the big cities won't be enjoying.
benkay: in my region this is Prineville and Bonneville.
Mats_cd03: im paying down a place in SLO, CA atm
benkay: hanky basis for investment thesis is that in the way rivers were important to US city site locations once upon a time internet and power will be bastions of order in mad-max future.
Mats_cd03: theres a 550w sol farm in the district
benkay: ugh but all that human flesh
Mats_cd03: mw, that is (we're on the same wavelength apparently)
keonne: Namworld: Its very useful to learn before learning other languages
keonne: especially if you are a native english speakers
Mats_cd03: theres no point to learning mandarin
keonne: you are quickly familiarised with different grammatical structures and sounds, while still being easily learned due to its entirely constructed base
keonne: Overall you are correct though, and almost no one speaks or understands it
thestringpuller: Mats_cd03: you really waiting for a cardano to get into WoT?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 888 @ 0.0055105 = 4.8933 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
ozbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
keonne: trilema is seriously the best thing I have ever spent money on, online.
Mats_cd03: ascii is going to need a lot of units
Chris_Sabian: I can use a bit of help: can anyone get the raw transcation from this tx id: df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
Chris_Sabian: i know you can do it in bitcoinQT but I dont have access to it right noww
robwhiz22: Does anyone know when Mirceau tends to be online?
mike_c: you need to run with -txindex to get access to transactions not in your wallet
mike_c: and rescan the blockchain.
jurov: blockchain.info shows raw tx in advanced mode, no?
Chris_Sabian: so I need access to my wallet at the moment to do it?
keonne: was just gonna link that mike_c :)
keonne: robwhiz22: you decide to ask in chat instead of pm this time?
keonne: he asked first, Mircea said no, and then he complained about it
truffles: more interesting ppl to pm though :D
truffles: keonne u were supposed to say right, i know ure a blast
mike_c: um. blockchain already saw it :)
keonne: i wouldn't know, i never pm'd you
keonne: unless you are also moiety
Chris_Sabian: ok then. just saw that. I guess that I was confused that blockchain didnt see it because it didn't confirm. :)
dexX7: blockchain.info tends to be broken for some time now
mike_c: well, it's not confirming because no tx fee.
Chris_Sabian: isn't there some room in blocks for 0 fee transcation though? but it would take a long time to confirm though?
keonne: dexX7: whats broken? besides some charts? anything I need to expedite?
keonne: API should be back, we moved over to bitcoinj, and overall things are a lot quicker now. If there is something specific please let me know
dexX7: transactions were missing. not like an unconfirmed as in this case, but also historical ones
keonne: still? I thought we fixed all those
dexX7: not sure, if this is still an issue
dexX7: but it was over the last weeks
keonne: I think it has been resolved.
keonne: yeah it was a major issue
keonne: not in terms of functionality or people losing btc, but in a scaring the shit out of people way
dexX7: and a strange one ;) blockhashes were all fine, but tx count was wrong and as mentioned, txs missing
keonne: yeah the database corrupted, it was a very bad week
keonne: none of us slept very much
keonne: again if you see anything weird, just ping me here and ill get eyes on it asap
keonne: One good thing out of all that, I didn't realize that android wallet users PIN codes are stored on bchain servers. As a result during the outage people weren't able to get into their android wallet with PIN only password. That is totally incorrect, from now on, your PIN will never be sent to our servers, it is hashed and stored locally instead
mike_c: Chris_Sabian: yes. just takes longer.
keonne: with that being said, im off for a bit to grab some coffee, later
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1509 @ 0.000135 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01700001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199887 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00580999 = 0.2208 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: some1 tell that guy coffee is bad for u
jurov: life is deadly anyway
benkay: keonne: you run blockchain.info?
BingoBoingo: truffles: Death is the only certain outcome of life
BingoBoingo: No need to live to be 200 if you've never done anything either
truffles: just not things leading to possible bad times
truffles: so why are nerds offended about being called nerds eh
cgcardona_: There is no such thing as strong coffee—only weak men.
cgcardona_: heh. Around tha world—around tha world (daft punk theme)
truffles: nerd comment wasnt that random, other chat was qualifiying what it is to be one
cgcardona_: I don't think nerds are offended at being called nerds. I think true nerds/geeks/etc own that shit
truffles: id think its a good thing to be smart but u never know
cgcardona_: smart/clever/knowledgable/wise <---at some crossroads of those
benkay: can be a handicap, truffles. makes sucking at ones craft very painful when you start hitting that competence threshold that only lots of deliberate practice can get one over.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]
benkay: in the same way men tell each other "smart/pretty/sane, pick two", managers are always looking for some combination of "smart/well-practiced/hard working".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03209899 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: well-practiced and hard working is super valuable, well-practiced and smart is super valuable, smart and hard working comes in at the bottom untempered by practice.
benkay: and of course just plain old smart is completely worthless.
benkay: ;;google why i never hire brilliant men
cgcardona_: oddly enough I had somehow never heard "smart/pretty/sane, pick two" until today
truffles: provided the brilliant doesnt come with lazi, id go brilliant every time
jurov: nonlazy brilliant eventually go crazy
benkay: funny how people go for the meds first and never think to go run in circles for thirty minutes...
truffles: i feel like any other option is purposely handicapping urself
cgcardona_: dude I just got an email from heroku about the ssl bug w/ this as my list of potentially affected apps: Here are your affected applications:
BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though
truffles: how about drinking some tea, sitting doing a sudoku
benkay: most medicated people i've met don't jog 3 times a week, or even picking up heavy things until sweaty that many times a week. some variant of which is a prerequisite for stable mental chemistry.
truffles: might take a lil more than that for the clincially insane
benkay: i'm not saying that mental health is purely a function of workout frequency. i've been larned better than that by the DSMi. it's just all too frequent that people resort to drugs without actually putting in the work to get their physical health dialed.
benkay: granted, it can be hard to get up in the morning much less work out when catatonically depressed.
truffles: what would u suggest to the jocks then
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mike_c: i checked trilema & coinbr this morning, both were clear.
BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
mike_c: trilema.com will do ssl connections, but you can't get the blog.
benkay: BingoBoingo: start urls with
http:// for log url inclusion
ozbot: Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
TomServo: BingoBoingo: The title of that article is for some reason missing from the frontpage
BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
BingoBoingo: truffles: Where have you been since September
truffles: well if its random link without saying "in my blog ..." i dont click..
BingoBoingo: truffles: You also advertise how much you hate reading at all
benkay: how fucking hard is that?
benkay: being linked by BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Reading moar is the best prevention against getting buggered sore
ozbot: Twitter / gavinandresen: Expect a 0.9.1 Bitcoin Core ...
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truffles: oh oh i dont like ur writing style eeek
benkay: which handles, danielpbarron ?
benkay: unless that's a rude question. is that a rude question?
benkay: you don't count in this conversation apparently.
danielpbarron: one hasn't signed up yet, the other is 'againbackson'
benkay: ;;gettrust againbackson
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thx, Well I figure for all of the porn there is less unpleasant buggery happening here
truffles: doesnt seem like too many r authenticated
truffles: boingo what percent of the blog is about u vs btc?
truffles: oh id so crush u in fantasy sports :D
BingoBoingo: truffles: Only one way to find out the log's contents...
truffles: i have harsh comments that i will hold to myself
BingoBoingo: I dunno that your comments can be sharp enough to cut deep...
truffles: oh, feel like ppl get sensy on the nets though
truffles: no wai, im like toughest person itc
BingoBoingo: truffles: There is a difference between people and "ppl"
BingoBoingo: truffles: I don't think your wit is sharp enough to draw meaningful offense.
truffles: well i tend to push buttons instead :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00579979 = 0.3074 BTC [+] {3}
truffles: so guess we should all work out more
MisterE: anyone understand chinese?
MisterE: supposedly an interview with a Chinese bank manager that was taken with an iphone has been posted where he confirms PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB
MisterE: excellent, would you mind having a look if its credible Mats_cd03 ?
Mats_cd03: sounds like thats what theyre talking about
MisterE: does it sound like they are who they are?
MisterE: err rather does it sound like they are credible?
ozbot: Star Trek Captain Narrates Insane Documentary About Geocentrism
Mats_cd03: and my pinyin (romanization) is rough here...
Mats_cd03: lingyun (inaudible) agricultural bank
Mats_cd03: lingyun (inaudible) branch agricultural bank of china
MisterE: well that's inline with rumors
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [-]
mike_c: PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB << what do you mean by this? will let the exchange rate float more?
Mats_cd03: seems more like theyre trying to restrict btc institutions from peddling to the masses
MisterE: stopping rmb from being used to buy crypto
MisterE: Mats_cd03: what is your impression of the people's credibility? Do they seem like a branch manager of one of the biggest Chinese banks?
MisterE: their language, is it proper formal business?
MisterE: I guess I can just plug it into google translate
Mats_cd03: they're shutting down due to the accounts being blocked (or something)
Mats_cd03: and some other things about pursuing legal action if dudes keep accusing them of running with the money
Mats_cd03: the bank received a directive to shut down fxbtc's bank account
MisterE: I didnt get that from google translate heh
MisterE: so their customers' funds are too
MisterE: Are you Chinese or live in China Mats_cd03? I recall one regular here at least lives there
MisterE: green grass and open space!
Mats_cd03: what is the living standard like there
MisterE: well like everything depends on money
Mats_cd03: well i lived in hk back when it was still green and open
MisterE: business opportunity abounds in Singapore but it's expensive as hell
MisterE: English is excellent there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: most of the multis that dont want to go intot he emerging markets in SE Asia service them from .sg
Mats_cd03: i left just as some of the high speed rails were being built
MisterE: I imagine is sucked a bit before then heh
Mats_cd03: literally two months after i completed a purchase on a number of properties
MisterE: oh yea that will make you move
MisterE: I was in real estate in the US
MisterE: commercial zoning plannign and permitting
MisterE: did a lot of 1031 exchanges
MisterE: Oh yea we built a datacenter build there, it is nice area
MisterE: perfect weather for me, best in US
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24092 @ 0.00100306 = 24.1657 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: when i lived there the temperature fluctuated 20 degrees at most
Mats_cd03: id still be there if it wasnt ungodly expensive
bounce: waitwaitwait, bitcoind is vulnerable to heartbleed?
Mats_cd03: 'heartbleed', who knew security researchers had a flair for the dramatic
Namworld: lel, what? "The Heartbleed bug allows anyone on the Internet to read the memory of the systems protected by the vulnerable versions of the OpenSSL software. This compromises the secret keys used to identify the service providers and to encrypt the traffic, the names and passwords of the users and the actual content."
midnightmagic: bounce: Only if you've allowed rpc connections from random douches, have turned on ssl, aren't limiting it based on IP, *and* they have your wallet.dat already and have been able to query your bitcoind constantly over time and caught you using the rpc command that unlocks your wallet.
bounce: "the industry" is made up out of at least 90% deliberate FUDmongering
Apocalyptic: midnightmagic only describe the scenario when they would have all your privkeys
midnightmagic: Apocalyptic: Or your encrypted wallet and access to query your rpcssl port arbitrarily.
Apocalyptic: but yes bitcoind with rpcssl is vulnerable to memory leak of some memspace
midnightmagic: (and did so in between your wallet passphrase rpc command, and whatever you typed next)
Namworld: What kind of bug allows anyone to just read the memory?
midnightmagic: and the answer is, "One that needs patching immediately. If you're on ubuntu: apt-get update ; apt-get install openssl"
bounce: not all of your assumptions are going to be reasonable, actually. ssl is fairly logical when enabling rpc ("instant security" amirite or amirite), but restricting IPaddresses only so if either you have enough clue or someone in your vicinity does. similarly, plenty reasons why you'd leave the wallet unlocked.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014994 = 0.12 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: You have to specifically turn on rpcbind access to the outside world. You have to have specifically taken an action to expose yourself.
midnightmagic: and even if your wallet is unlocked, your privkeys aren't vulnerable. Only (so far) the last rpc command used in the server.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
bounce: AFAIK you get a random 64k block back, so whatever's in there you can get
bounce: s/AFAIK/AIUI/ but anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00081495 = 0.815 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00100503 = 14.1207 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: bounce: it is not a random 64k block and you can continue requesting them until you get all the info you want
midnightmagic: bounce: No, it's not a random 64k block. It's the same block each time you run the attack.
midnightmagic: MisterE: It's just a chunk of the heap. to get different data, the heap contents must change in between attacks. That is, you can't just dump the process' entire memory space.
mike_c: "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00100609 = 48.2923 BTC [+]
mike_c: how did you guess? what am i leaking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499193 = 0.11 BTC [-]
mike_c: this was more fun when it was me probing trilema.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499195 = 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 135 @ 0.00148 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
jurov: some douche filed "illegal intrusion report" against simpleshell.com
jurov: just cause it "exceeded connection attempt threshold to tcp:22 81 times in a 30 minute period"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00100531 = 11.6113 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: as if they fear two login attempts per minute
jurov: guess i'll axe it for now
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88208 @ 0.00101 = 89.0901 BTC [+]
benkay: Apocalyptic: how'd you run down that mike_c's running django? i too am curious.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014576 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 825 @ 0.0001451 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen. << now imagine if hearn & co had their way and openssl was bundled in every "reference" bitcoin client.
mike_c: it is, right? hence 0.9.1
mike_c: it's not released yet. it is the fix for 0.9, which is vulnerable
mircea_popescu: it's like goth music and fat girls for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian it's unconfirmed as of yet and i can't conveniently see it. you dun goofed ?
mircea_popescu: then when i say satoshi quit mostly because he didn't want to be involved with these fucktards anymore people act as if this is somehow controversial.
bounce: well, there's a new chief developer guy now. everything gonna be better now, right?
bounce: so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.
ThickAsThieves: i spoke with the reporter today about the Narcotic Checkpoint issue, went pretty well, she's gonna do more research
benkay: HeySteve2 was having epic problems with 0.9 and a wallet.
ThickAsThieves: offered to have me get a Letter to the Editor published
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: goth music and fat girls...wow that's very astute, i thought it was just an american phenonmenon
benkay: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
mircea_popescu: now someone dump that on reddit, let's have some fun here.
ozbot: Lynchings: a collective mental condition - BuenosAiresHerald.com
benkay: you're a fan of the lynching?
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that upon lynching a legal system can be built.
mircea_popescu: upon the derpage fashionable in the us today, no legal system can be built.
mircea_popescu: kalifornia at most. and that's really not good enough.
ThickAsThieves: i'm tempted to get picky with your often-missing commas and hyphens, but it reads okay so whatever
ThickAsThieves: cuz he was appearing in public and filing bankruptcies and finding coins in his couch, etc
mircea_popescu: judge ordered him to show up in court if he intends to ask the court to protect him from his creditors.
mircea_popescu: the message there's pretty much this : civil court does not protect fugitives. ancient principle, too.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: upboat for the reddit post ;]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller maybe because they resonate with people inconvenienced by reality, being themselves inconvenienced by same ?
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ThickAsThieves: maybe it's too options for the morbidly obese, outward depression, or a carreer in comedy
Naphex: mircea_popescu: might as well be two, chilling around. might as well check this place out. has entertaining discussions from what i figured from chat logs
mircea_popescu: which is kinda weird, i always thought fat kinda goes with jolly
ThickAsThieves: i picked up jogging again, all this bitcoining made me buy new clothes
ThickAsThieves: i always do this, gain enough to buy new clothes, then that triggers me losing the weight so those dont fit either
cazalla: hey me too, legs are killing me from doms, had to take a few days break lol
ThickAsThieves: most i ever ran was a half-marathon, which gave me my knee injury
ThickAsThieves: goes to the point of that 50-mile bitcoin runner guy being absolutely delusional or scamming
cazalla: i use to do 10km every morning but then i got fat and lazy when it was no longer a challenge
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone know andre renard ? i find it quite palatable
mircea_popescu: cazalla so now it's a challenge again, see ? nature fixes all.
bounce: heartbleed, not beedingheart, and a plurality mismatch in the last paragraph or so
bounce didn't get it. doesn't mean others won't.
bounce: clearly not american enough to appreciate that as a style figure
bounce: brb, there's a tree here as needs hugging
mircea_popescu: well im not either, so... you know. shootin' in the darklo;
ThickAsThieves: so now Texas has a bill to edit IRS to call bitcoin currency?
TomServo: mircea_popescu | hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny. << Lisa Lampanelli has some good stuff, but it's basically a female version of Don Rickles act
mircea_popescu: TomServo minus the funny. and btw, rickles was fat his whole life.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes <<
ThickAsThieves: funny thing is when you said that, i didnt check "where", i checked the comma
mircea_popescu: keonne so what are the details re the right hash but wrong block composition thing ? cause yeah it got me scratching my head.
ThickAsThieves: ugh "Actually, what is needed is to leave it as property but add an exemption for the first $X0,000 of gain, which is what other countries are doing, particularly in Europe. That way it can effectively function as a currency, but investors who go long also get favorable tax treatment."
mircea_popescu: actually the us needs people long on bitcoin. many of them.
ThickAsThieves: you mena in the same way that a child needs to be slapped sometimes
mircea_popescu: more like in the way a poor farmer with 13 kids needs one in school.
ThickAsThieves: but encouraging people to go long on it, means it eats away at its own financial system, no?
mircea_popescu: upgrading is the only economically rational form of cannibalism.
ThickAsThieves: well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it
mircea_popescu: that system is getting et. best you be doin' most of the etin'.
mircea_popescu: who knows, it's like an earthworm. it sorta slugs away but not as a direct result of any of the ganglions.
mircea_popescu: anyway, just sayin'. who's to know really. in point of fact, you can probably find a *state* senator trying to put in a bill on any given topic.
ThickAsThieves: nonetheless, i doubt any of the intent of these IRS rulings or bills is to get people to go long
mircea_popescu: there's probably some trying to put in bills to make women wear burkas
fluffypony: or give ponies an actual place in office
mircea_popescu: i doubt any of this shit can really HAVe an intent in the first place. people, esp on the forum, keep ascribing intent to large organisational actors
mike_c: the intent of a bill with no chance of passing is PR.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'd say the converse. a bill is shat, not anything else.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone should talk to him, i guess. anyone in his district ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: more of a comment on myself than the world
benkay: but you know, any of the two are great to have around, right?
ThickAsThieves: i could see a bill being passed as being closer to "shat"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess i was thinking more about "passed"
mircea_popescu: otherwise, we two could write a bill in that sense, right now. what of it.
mircea_popescu: a but unrelatedly, as the possibility of intent in large institutional actors.
ThickAsThieves: but i'll write a bill with you anytime baby. I'll hold your commas, and you can diddle my phonetic abortions
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing, a government/agency/etc is quite incapable of intent.
mircea_popescu: supreme court peering into "the intent of congress" is perhaps the largest inside joke in the us legal profession.
fluffypony: ok so I have a question that has nothing to do with bills
fluffypony: if I'm looking to raise BTC-denominated funds privately as a company (angel investing, really) and don't want to go the IPO route in order to at least somewhat stave off the general discovery of trade secrets (for want of a better term), is there a generally accepted way of doing so? proposal has been drawn up already, just not really sure how one goes about finding BTC angel investor types
fluffypony: well rg's positive rating on my wot profile still stands
fluffypony: but because everyone's changed their rating of him to a negative
fluffypony: it means the trust graphs to me are all unhappy pandas
ozbot: Heartbleed + Bitstamp API (hash on key only) : Bitcoin
Naphex: wot schmot, fluffypony , go do your thing make some money, things will happen ;]
mircea_popescu: "so if you were to perform the request over an unsecured network, you could easily intercept and send a different payload without having to generate a new signature"
fluffypony: Naphex: the company is already making money, just not enough for the next lot of things we're doing :)
fluffypony: but yes, peripheral services for miners is the primary aim of the business
BCB: mircea_popescu, tells us how you really feel about the BCF
mircea_popescu: BCB no need to, because gavin did the right thing and quit.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm guessing any decent programmer that implemented the bitstamp API noticed that they do HMAC all wrong, also the guy who posted that, total douche imho :)
Naphex: mircea_popescu: guy probably had a short on bitfinex trololol
BCB: mircea_popescu, he's still being paid by them
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'll gladly send you the proposal if you have a bit of time to take a glance at it, just not too keen on sharing it publicly for all and sundry;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04512574 = 0.361 BTC [-] {4}
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mircea_popescu: kinda curious because the appalling situation of mining rig arrangements is a bit of a historical lolpoint
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:1500 orders, 3000 frames
fluffypony: but we've also had customers that aren't miners
mircea_popescu: o hey. so 3k frames closer to sanity, that's a public service.
fluffypony: OCLHashCat users and the GPGPU/GPUGrid crowd
mircea_popescu: do you build them in your garage like ? or got a little warehouse somewhere ?
nubbins`: my square cc reader showed up in the mail today, woo
fluffypony: got a fabrication facility, and then it's packed and shipped from a picking/qc floor
Aquent: Why you saying Mark Karpels is a fugitive?
mircea_popescu: Aquent because that's what you call people who avoid showing up in court.
Aquent: thats what you call people who avoid criminal law
Aquent: anyway, do you have any info where he is?
nubbins`: rumor has it he committed seppuku
Aquent: some article is saying he's gone to taiwan
Aquent: is that what you were refering to or....
fluffypony: I bet he'll turn up in a StarBucks somewhere
bounce: went on a hike with that neobee guy?
mircea_popescu: they are visiting meta-graceland, for a party hosted by elvis
bounce: starbucks crawl, whatever
Aquent: right ok I would kindly and very respectfully ask you to change the wording
Aquent: fugitive creates panic
Aquent: especially considering some other rumours
Aquent: its just a suggestion - take it or leave it is of course entirely your choice
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no it's really me. you know how it goes, everyone's me.
benkay: fascinating, danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: just promise me you don't come up with this nutty ritual of eating "my flesh and blood" later on.
fluffypony: Aquent: because all the mtgox bagholders might panic and sell their coins on mtgox?
Duffer1: change the wording to what though? "a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive" how is that different?
BCB: mircea_popescu, how many ipo have you done
mircea_popescu: and contrary to whatever you may have heard, ive done in fewer than that.
mike_c: forum lulz @ neobee: "The financial report that you all have been waiting for is ready. Total revenue from date of incorporation to date: ZERO."
mircea_popescu: wait dudes! do you realise god spelled backwards is dog, and so the black lab meme and the bitcoin jesus meme just came together in a total and complete
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nubbins`: please keep all gods on a leash
BCB: mircea_popescu, you have any numbers posted market caps, exits (beisdes the very suspicious satoshi dice)
ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BCB: mircea_popescu, what was the kluge scam?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though <<< actually, afaik it does.
mircea_popescu: oldest and still strongest remedy for all mental issues is exhaustion.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00099824 = 28.5996 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: i heard BlockChains.info CoinJoin has been stealthing some BTC's lately
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a meta-nsa may or may not exist. a meta-media definitely does exist.
mircea_popescu: Naphex keonne was sayin' earlier they got it fixed, waiting for him to pop back in cause i wanted to grill him a little
Naphex: i heard it around 'town'
Naphex: messing up their TX tables and getting bitcoins locked in addresses
mircea_popescu: MisterE that bank shutdown/issue seems by and large unrelated to btc in any sense. just part and parcel of larger fin sector chinese woes.
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tg2: benkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic actually, it's pretty much all the memory. in 64k chunks, yes, but trivial to map it all out.
mircea_popescu: let's not even go into what exactly "process memory" means on windows
tg2: is it only the process space for the webserver?
mircea_popescu: or into how things such as the vidcard can be leveraged for this purpose./
benkay: cavirtex is sponsoring the caconf
mircea_popescu: tg2 the process memory for the process running the openssl code
mike_c: it is the process space for whatever is handling ssl connections.. so all ur keyz belong to us
tg2: inb4 noobs not using perfect forward
tg2: out of bounds and native c go hand in hand
mircea_popescu: tg2 afaik pfs is so rare you might as well call it exotic
tg2: pfs is pretty easy to set up
tg2: and it has been around for a while
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: No; that doesn't appear to be accurate. Ask whoever it is who is telling you that to describe how to target specific memory regions, because I'm fairly sure they're wrong.
tg2: i'm sure it's adoption will increase in light recent events ;)
tg2: benkay, what was your site
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: That is from the heartbleed site. It implies more information is available, but it's information which is sitting in that specific area. It's a busy area, but it's just that specific area.
bounce: and named it, and registered a domain for the name
midnightmagic: It's an abitrary number of 64k chunks, but it's not arbitrary *locations*.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this, ~as far as we know~ is probably true.
bounce: if there's multiple code paths you can get there it gets more interesting still
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Well the wording in that section is slippery. My current understanding is to vary the information requires being able to manipulate program execution in other areas of the program.
mircea_popescu: at this stage i don't see how any negative statements can really be made.
midnightmagic: The attack is just a heartbeat with a size modifier different; it's an overrun read-only flaw. Unless the attack is expanded to something else, there is no targetting. It's "whatever's sitting 64k behind the heap."
mircea_popescu: but since you can in principle repeat it indefinitely it's in principle anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you're in the footnotes for that reason :)
fluffypony: before I patched our local server this morning (not behind CloudFlare as CloudFlare don't have a node in South Africa) I played around with it
fluffypony: some of them are broken, but enough weren't
mircea_popescu: fluffypony mike_c was liveircing wowmoments with it earlier too
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I still maintain that the damage from something like this could be reduced by mitigating session hijacking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident. << haha mike_c you be famous nao.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's many ways to mitigate a known attack, by the very definition of "known".
fluffypony: but locking a session to an IP is also fraught with issues, so that's not a good technique
mircea_popescu: the point here is that this attack spent most of the past two years unknown.
fluffypony: yeah I'm not talking about mitigating the heartbleed attack
fluffypony: if POST/GET vars bleed that's one thing
Naphex: mircea_popescu: you can basically sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.
bounce recalls an irc discussion going on 15 years back, where someone speculated that a nsa backdoor might look like "int foo;" instead of "long foo;". and you just can't tell. well, here we have such an innocuous thingy. and you never can tell. but spectacular, that the effects certainly are.
mircea_popescu: Naphex all the poor souls arguing with me over tor's safety a few months ago. awww.
Naphex: just write some code and point it
fluffypony: on that HIGH note, it's bed time here, well as close to bed time as 1:15am is when the wife is fast asleep next to you
Naphex: imo, definitely a planted bug.
bounce hasn't checked the repo, if any. probably should.
mircea_popescu: question is who were the idiots and who were the patsies.
Naphex: i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.
mircea_popescu: bounce maybe you're the last guy on the internet that hasn't made copies.
bounce: there was also that = vs == in a linux syscall a while back
Naphex: so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions
Naphex: then you get sniffed for all you have
Naphex: i'm guessing that was the logic behind it
bounce: probably not, but last in this channel, possibly
mircea_popescu: anyway, this suddenly makes tor significantly more useful. at least for a few weeks.
Naphex: until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.
Naphex: atleast that went right.
bounce: when did they move to git from cvs?
bounce: apparently 2012-12-30 last cvs entries says timeline
mircea_popescu: this is promising. ty chan, and let it become part of the permanent record : more has been ruined by convenience than by any other sin.
ozbot: OpenSSL: Source, Repository
mircea_popescu: talk about a product that owns its market. the french f1
ozbot: OpenSSL: Source, Repository
bounce: bug introduced in 201112 says heartbleed.com, so in cvs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099727 = 14.261 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bounce they may not be exactly right. this will take a lot of work.
ozbot: OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
Naphex: the checkins for 14 Marhc
ozbot: OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
Naphex: pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
bounce: the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]