tg2: I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins
tg2: 75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins
tg2: who consorts the consortiums
tg2: srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin
tg2: i'm going to lose it
tg2: and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part
benkay: didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!
moiety typed before that bit :P
tg2: if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP
moiety: never say never! on both counts lol
benkay: practice makes perfect.
tg2: or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies
B007: you can spoof those
cazalla: tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading
tg2: sorry, to what are you referring cazalla
cazalla: tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007
tg2: but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things
moiety: i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me
tg2: 1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs
tg2: 2: darksend is an actual feature
tg2: its not just a copy of another coin
tg2: not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal
tg2: eventually people will catch on
tg2: and it will be popular
tg2: coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it
tg2: means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america
tg2: and scrypt asics become more prolific
cazalla: seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh
tg2: I have 400 gpus mining
B007: that is why you must promote it
tg2: they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours
tg2: a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin
B007: remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan
moiety: B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet
nubbins`: i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump
tg2: better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins
tg2: compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt
tg2: you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power
benkay: tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.
benkay: the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.
moiety: asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009316 = 8.4776 BTC [-]
tg2: benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned
tg2: which is all I'm concerned with for now
gribble: Error: "lolcat" is not a valid command.
benkay: that fluctuates with market action.
gribble: Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
moiety: gribble, it needs to be
benkay goes back to derpy value deliving
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?
moiety: ^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping
ozbot: Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter
tg2: what a fortunate twitter handle
tg2: I wonder if he knows of it's provenance
cazalla: tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?
tg2: answering that would be stupid
tg2: but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare
tg2: there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on
tg2: it is better at some
cazalla: well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is
tg2: let me curate a list for you
moiety: well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks
tg2: right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers
tg2: is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?
cazalla: do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?
tg2: anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
cazalla: i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway
tg2: may your ignorance lead you to profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093878 = 5.0694 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
nubbins`: this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles
tg2: it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much
nubbins`: guess i should've added some decimals
tg2: that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.
moiety: manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it
mircea_popescu: manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.10144642 = 2.3333 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".
tg2: so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin
tg2: either created or not
dignork: tg2, darkcoin is funny enough
moiety: mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"
nubbins`: actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"
nubbins`: dude you know susie from canada!?
moiety: i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off
BingoBoingo: tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series
moiety: "fuck this - back to the chinchillas"
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process
BingoBoingo: That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas
moiety: mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?
moiety: lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already
BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission
moiety: fair point, we need to catch one first though
tg2: just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild
tg2: check for key repeat events
moiety: that cat: fuck you , im in the box
tg2: Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.
moiety: i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet
tg2: anybody here from montreal?
tg2: Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.
benkay: couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin
tg2: BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet
tg2: I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after
benkay: rip 'em to their face.
benkay: make them explain their 'business models'.
tg2: That's what the drinks are for
tg2: I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are
tg2: until they realize they have no assets
benkay: of course they don't they're tech startups
tg2: then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)
tg2: as thats pretty much the value of an idea
nubbins`: tg2 are you from montreal originally
tg2: I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile
tg2: montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about
tg2: toronto is happening now
tg2: as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring
tg2: 3 notable startups per year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00093283 = 16.3245 BTC [-]
tg2: we have, and you can count them on one hand
tg2: about 4 startups that you may have heard of
tg2: if you follow the startup scene closely
benkay: isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?
tg2: it looks like a template on themeforest
benkay: startups are responsive templates, tg2
tg2: there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor
tg2: we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money
tg2: montreal is home to the biggest porn company online
tg2: that is pretty much our most successful web company
tg2: (and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)
tg2: here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"
tg2: Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.
tg2: holy fuck where do I sign
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: understand intents? have all of the money
tg2: when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find
tg2: and make it a success
tg2: as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution
benkay: a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need
benkay: don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip
benkay: it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand
benkay: just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions
tg2: yeah that copyright symbol
tg2: no need for actual IP protection
tg2: just slap that baby on
tg2: ready to raise some capital
benkay: ugh people raising capital
tg2: wow hey there's another gem on here
benkay: if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon
tg2: "Hosted MtGox trading bot"
benkay: old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.
tg2: fortune 500 here we come
tg2: good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's
tg2: we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths
benkay: you do contract dev, tg2?
tg2: no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects
tg2: and I invest in about 2-3 external projects
tg2: I don't do contract development, haven't for years
benkay: and you fell for an altcoin scam?!
tg2: i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis
tg2: which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis
tg2: now i'm sitting on a lot of doge
benkay: well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.
tg2: but if I sell it, it will crash doge
benkay: don't derp with altcoins?
cazalla: sounds like first one to sell winsd
tg2: anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans
tg2: see how hard it falls?
benkay: yeah crash it for teh lulz
tg2: but not much in it for me to do that
tg2: it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers
tg2: had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours
tg2: they sponsored a nascar team
benkay: those illiquid markets
tg2: i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team
tg2: solid investment champs
tg2: i wish there was more volume
tg2: anyway, play money - easy come easy go
benkay: you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.
tg2: i like to spend my coins
benkay: last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone
moiety: christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.
benkay: what's today's drama moiety?
moiety: tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*
moiety: benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol
tg2: so i bought darkcoin
tg2: whats not to understand
tg2: which part are you having trouble with
tg2: look closer if you can't see the logic
moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it
moiety: if you hated the first experience so much....
tg2: i hated making money
tg2: it was really maddening for me
tg2: i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins
tg2: and then it went 6x in like 3 days
tg2: and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride
tg2: i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline
tg2: but alas, fucking doggers
moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw
tg2: > answer is satisfactory
tg2: > shitpost that it was rhetorical
moiety: are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?
tg2: > pwhew saved my ass on that one
tg2: wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa
tg2: we had a decent one called 5by
tg2: but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon
jadne: moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.
tg2: as all startups in this shit hole do
tg2: yeah thats what i said!
jadne: benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?
tg2: i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand
benkay: well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.
benkay: perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt
benkay: everything kosher down south?
jadne: as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.
benkay: it takes more than a look, jadne
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00093878 = 15.0205 BTC [+]
jadne: there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy
benkay: oh the talmud is complex
benkay: requires a professional etc
benkay: moiety: is this one yours?
benkay: how came ye by -assets, jadne?
jadne: i forget who i was stalking.
benkay: <-- professional cunstultant
jadne: and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with
benkay: har the assettes? reasonable?
jadne: compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?
jadne: the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places
jadne: BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no
TestingUnoDosTre: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?
cazalla: i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start
moiety: benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp*
benkay: i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D
benkay: but it's not all about you, moiety
moiety: ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag
benkay: now now i'm playing along
moiety: now where did i put that duct tape....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009381 = 21.717 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?
moiety: i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....
benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.
moiety: england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though
moiety: this could skew my betting
moiety: quite amazed its so high on no
benkay: so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks
ozbot: BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
benkay: this one has some steel behind it:
ozbot: BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
benkay: vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00270796 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00283797 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00283798 = 0.8968 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do
benkay: hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life
jadne: that would be kind of cool
jadne: i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)
ozbot: Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet
moiety: benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end
benkay: moiety: brindles are beautiful.
benkay: baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next
MisterE: boy that Frozen movie was nonsense
moiety: brindle is gorgeous i think
moiety: MisterE: why you watching frozen?!
moiety: but they sing in it *shudders
moiety: wow was the wikipedia made with permission??
TestingUnoDosTre: for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.
moiety: no i was ref above lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00616867 = 0.2467 BTC [+] {4}
MisterE: though that is a pretty smart breed iirc
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think
jadne: i liked frozen. a lot. :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0554 = 0.277 BTC [+]
moiety: I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen
MisterE: wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu
MisterE: better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol
MisterE: nice work on the public corruption bit
mircea_popescu: tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.
MisterE: yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched
moiety: i see the 2010 one now
MisterE: mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?
MisterE: yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front
MisterE: there are other frozen titles
MisterE: how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?
pankkake: or it's a good way to raise funds
pankkake: though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't
mircea_popescu: MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.
MisterE: no I know foss projects need ongoing financing
mircea_popescu: so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.
MisterE: alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them
MisterE: WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00093878 = 8.8245 BTC [+]
jadne: mircea_popescu: er
jadne: i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe
jadne: but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.
mircea_popescu: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?
MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093493 = 5.0486 BTC [-]
ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MisterE: did you do that BingoBoingo ?
MisterE: theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too
BingoBoingo: MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"
MisterE: hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.
BingoBoingo: My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest
BingoBoingo: in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"
mircea_popescu: jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.
jadne has an alias for gpg -sear
ozbot: Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.
pankkake: it's like half of the active editors are deleters
mircea_popescu: heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive
mircea_popescu: maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag
TestingUnoDosTre: it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling
pankkake: well it wasn't like that before
mircea_popescu: i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.
BingoBoingo: Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious
mircea_popescu: i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?
BingoBoingo: Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article
mircea_popescu: i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.
jadne: mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced
jadne: the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite
jadne: disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article
jadne: we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15493 @ 0.00093878 = 14.5445 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?
mircea_popescu: stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.
TestingUnoDosTre: on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001
TestingUnoDosTre: but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.NSA Bids: ['80 @ 0.000111', '100 @ 0.000101', '10000 @ 0.0001', '1957 @ 0.0001', '20000 @ 9.851e-05']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['7241 @ 0.000156', '5000 @ 0.00016', '10000 @ 0.00018', '35600 @ 0.00021', '140000 @ 0.000215']
ozbot: Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ozbot: Erotic chat by Skype
mircea_popescu: "these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."
mircea_popescu: you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.
bitcoinpete: i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:
ozbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete
benkay: bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.
TestingUnoDosTre: but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not
BingoBoingo: BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: kipping
ozbot: Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg
BingoBoingo: At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test
ozbot: Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources
benkay: no, there are no options on sale.
benkay: this is distinct from the bot quoting.
benkay: mircea_popescu: confirm?
mircea_popescu: not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out
benkay: yeah if you think you can beat mp
benkay: feel free to mm options in btc
benkay: the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive
benkay: the options emporium, eh
benkay: do forgive my pedantry.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009316 / 0.00094411 / 0.0009529 (235357 shares, 222.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00080946 / 0.00093157 / 0.00096 (4496923 shares, 4,189.22 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085903 / 0.00096 (30475036 shares, 26,179.27 BTC)
mircea_popescu: benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?
BingoBoingo: The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves
benkay: with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.
Mats_cd03: somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled
benkay: koan sweetly in my ear
benkay: options were confusing
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.
benkay: no confusion -> more easily determined price?
benkay: hey velly, what's news
BingoBoingo: Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440003 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets
velly: sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it
ozbot: Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore
benkay: oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing
benkay: talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0544001 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
velly: seems a bit dry...
mircea_popescu: "In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."
BingoBoingo: Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?
mircea_popescu: but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.
velly: anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...
mircea_popescu: velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.
velly: thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.
mircea_popescu: velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :
mircea_popescu: the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.
velly: you're not a stranger :)
velly: but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs
Apocalyptic: you don't have to read all of it at once you know
mircea_popescu: " Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing
velly: it goes on for months
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.
velly: not everyone has time for that
velly: seems like there are better sources for the information
velly: I don't want your judgement
velly: I just want to know where to start to inform myself
chetty: the log with the reuters interview would be a good start
velly: how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste
mircea_popescu: chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.
velly: so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion
BingoBoingo: velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable
mircea_popescu: that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.
chetty: the interview log has a lot of good links
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time
velly: I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.
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mircea_popescu: the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.
velly: well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v
mircea_popescu: i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.
mircea_popescu: not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.
mircea_popescu: people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.
ozbot: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube
mircea_popescu: but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.
benkay: velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest
benkay: it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger
mircea_popescu: "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"
mircea_popescu: his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."
mircea_popescu: maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...
BingoBoingo: I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.
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mircea_popescu: don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...
BingoBoingo: They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day
mircea_popescu: it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you
cazalla: that's like half my wardrobe
cazalla: but i'm aussie so it goes without saying
nubbins`: the other half being a pair of pants?
cazalla: if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt
moiety: i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o
mircea_popescu: "b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt
mircea_popescu: i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.
moiety: asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.
mircea_popescu: no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?
mircea_popescu: "1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."
mircea_popescu: "2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."
mircea_popescu: it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.
moiety: MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR
moiety: aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 478 @ 0.00267085 = 1.2767 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"
gribble: Error: "borges" is not a valid command.
MisterE: ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools
MisterE: also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security
ozbot: [1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox
rithm: These jokes are so high brow
mircea_popescu: an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.
MisterE: there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate
moiety: BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?
benkay: mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then
ozbot: Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action
moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo
MisterE: benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff
BingoBoingo: moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful
mircea_popescu: punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics
punkman1: mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release
punkman1: someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once
punkman1: Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04779799 = 0.1912 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05421 = 0.1626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency
punkman1: "However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."
MisterE: punkman1: where you reading?
ozbot: Distributed Computing Group
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094452 = 6.4227 BTC [-]
ozbot: Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.
ozbot: Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie
BingoBoingo: What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account
moiety: thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways
moiety: also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0061 = 0.671 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: sleep well mircea_popescu
CheckDavid: How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework?
CheckDavid: Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain
MisterE: MP owns most of the MPEx chares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00094593 = 8.8444 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.
BingoBoingo: MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on Trilema numerous articles detailing their legal prep.
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.
CheckDavid: I was thinking about funding a business
punkman: I mean are you gonna fund him
CheckDavid: I an talking about the same business as he wad
CheckDavid: Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either
BingoBoingo: A something, hardware. Nothing more specific.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19103 @ 0.00094619 = 18.0751 BTC [+] {3}
CheckDavid: Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics
CheckDavid: Well keys not talk about him. I can't represent all his ideas :)
ozbot: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency | Ars Technica
punkman: is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet?
BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone
punkman: BingoBoingo: did that ever have a higher marketcap than litecoin?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru
BingoBoingo: punkman: WOuld the cost of the phone count?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60500012 = 3.63 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: some smartphones have a surprising amount of horsepower
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00094547 = 4.3964 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Two words on this phone, resistive touchscreen.
BingoBoingo: Dunno if this "coin" could have even survived an internet connection
Mats_cd03: on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now
punkman: Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money
punkman: rather than making dogecents
Mats_cd03: a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu
BingoBoingo: A clever malware writer could start a phone card bsns based on hijacked phones
Apocalyptic: " : he started by announcing 60% shareholding
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63473 @ 0.00094825 = 60.1883 BTC [+] {5}
tg2: I have an opengl scrypt implementation, works on gpu in webgl, opengl es
tg2: My snapdragon 800 gets like 30kh/s
tg2: Would be nice on a rogue app with a lot of install base
tg2: Can run it only when phone is plugged in etc
tg2: Working on an x11 Version of it
tg2: Cause you could actually mine an x11 coin on a phone cpu/gpu without melting it and get good hashes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0061 = 0.4026 BTC [-]
tg2: Sneaky tg already working on your ideas for 2 months now
tg2: If anybody has an app with huge install base lemme know
BingoBoingo: tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community?
tg2: I have many, some are still in lab right now like this one in particular
tg2: some are less than ethical and I wouldn't discuss here
tg2: I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that
tg2: just registeted truecrypto.com and shopbit.net
BingoBoingo: I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people"
tg2: Hah, I can't fault you
tg2: I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it
BingoBoingo: Last year I was in a similar position with Devcoin
tg2: You want to hear a sad story
tg2: I bought diablo 3 gold at launch for Bitcoins
tg2: go do a quick price check on diablo 3 gold
tg2: Spoiler, it's not worth 30k
tg2: It's about $2 for 100m or something
tg2: I haven't checked in a while
BingoBoingo: I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC
tg2: Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games
BingoBoingo: I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth
tg2: SimCity reaffirmed it
VanCleef: how good is mr slaves ass level
tg2: Gonna pretend you didn't say that
tg2: Right in the childhood
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: shift return! aha! the learning never stops. ty for the feedback :D
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Not that far yet. My Jew is just Jewing around.
tg2: Anyway I'm not even old
BingoBoingo: tg2: What are some BTC ventures you aren't afraid of mentioning?
tg2: I'm sure I'll get to know you guys better
tg2: I really know nobody here I just heard about this chan 3 times from 3 different people
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well with the intent of promoting them.
tg2: And they were all surprised I wasn't in it
tg2: I have my own ad network lol I don't need promotion
BingoBoingo: tg2: Really this isn't a channel where your ideas will get scooped unless you explicitly say "hey you guys scoop me on this"
tg2: yeah I keep cards close to the chest
tg2: if you hear an idea from my it's my 2-7 off suit
tg2: The good kind, you know
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VanCleef: is there something wrong wtih havelock website atm or is it just me?
BingoBoingo: Never really had a need to use it ever VanCleef
tg2: It seemed really slow when I was on it earlier and I'm on a very fat pipe
tg2: yeah cryptorush drama. I don't get why we don't have a centralized trust exchange yet
VanCleef: what happened to cryptorush, sorry i mised it
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Run by walmart's finest, ended like an abortus
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What sort of news are you expecting?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23549 @ 0.0009439 = 22.2279 BTC [-] {3}
xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I dunno some supery cyber stuff
xdotcomm_: u know whats funny i had like 5mil COINYE on cryptorush
Apocalyptic: hum, been looking for a coin to add to x-bt that isn't an outright scam
VanCleef: ok, just another normal week in bitcoin world
xdotcomm_: yea only 3 now is BTC / LTC /DOGE all other is toxic trash
ozbot: Huge Security Hole in Sendgrid – ChunkHost
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i agree on NMC i like the idea
ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
Apocalyptic: looks like Primecoin was Sunnyking's first attempt at a coin before he moved to Peercoin & other stuff
xdotcomm_: people try to get into sendgrid of a hosting provider to get access to sites hosted
xdotcomm_: its going to get alot more complex
xdotcomm_: i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing now called peercoin came first, but it was called PPC at its origin
tg2: xdotcomm_ social engineering will always remain my favorite means of hacking
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, do you know if Devcoin is well maintained ?
xdotcomm_: tg2: people are easier to hack then code :)
moiety: i lasted under two hours before i gave up tonight BingoBoingo this is harder than it used to be lol
tg2: Guess you haven't seen the code I've seen lol
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware // that's not even the biggest issue
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It isn't well at all. Also has past association with scammers like cablepair
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: not the biggest but one of
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, these people don't really know what they are doing to begin with
tg2: If you are running your Bitcoin empire on a vps shame on you
Apocalyptic: tg2, if on linode your deserve it twice as much ?
xdotcomm_: tg2: seriously ur report is good.. hopefully it will get some good peer reviews
tg2: People get so bent out of shape without understanding manufacturing fundamentals
tg2: It's my good deed for the day
tg2: Ignorance is bliss unless you have a vested interest lol
Apocalyptic: I might be forced to conclude there is just no coin worth adding at this time
tg2: Apocalyptic, adding to...?
tg2: if you're serious about it
tg2: I have some serious people that do white hat
Apocalyptic: i like to think i have a serious background in infosec
Apocalyptic: tg2, i have no issue if they wish to run some things
tg2: Recon.cx boys, but they don't work for free
tg2: if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you
Apocalyptic: <tg2> if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you // there is a hot wallet
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I used to be really into it, did some defcon level CTFs with a team
tg2: How is cold storage processing txns
Apocalyptic: mainly specialized in crypto and x86 reversing
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u think that nginx is safe?
tg2: Nginx has no vulns known
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0728899 = 1.2391 BTC [-]
xdotcomm_: Cookie:PHPSESSID=j8i2u3e6khl9g839rl8dgh4u22
tg2: I don't think there has been a root vuln on nginx in a while
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
tg2: Never trust your webserver anyway
tg2: it's not a first class citizen
tg2: Make sure web app is coded properly
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> jquery.min.map // where do you get this file ?
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: ur website it calls it
xdotcomm_: event.returnValue is deprecated. Please use the standard event.preventDefault() instead. jquery.js:3
xdotcomm_: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
tg2: it's part of the split
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
tg2: when they split jquery min
tg2: They put some shit in map
tg2: Had the same problem on a bootstrap site
tg2: What's the volume on x-bt?
Apocalyptic: the most active one is ATC/BTC thanks to asseteers here
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, cause ovh is where i registered it ?
tg2: Ovh failover ip's make me rage so much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00094266 = 17.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0161 = 0.161 BTC [-]
benkay: tg2: centralized trust exchange lolwutf?
tg2: but 399/mo for a dual e5v2 10core with 256G of ram is juicy
tg2: Why are people retweeting my shit days later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.01600071 = 0.224 BTC [-] {3}
tg2: They get cooler over time
tg2: I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [-]
benkay: asserting: CheckDavid is ninjashogun
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, curiously enough the missing js file doesn't seem to prevent the js from running correctly
tg2: takes those fucks 2 days to give a new ripe block
Apocalyptic: <tg2> I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though // probably wise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589999 = 0.2795 BTC [+]
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: just letting u know man.. I dont care either way.. I had an exchange with proper engine coded month ago... dont feel like launching it cause the paranoi is not the state i wanna be in 24/7
benkay: xdotcomm_: what is this report you mention?
benkay: tg2: before your time.
Apocalyptic: I can assure you my engine is properly coded too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0479 = 0.2395 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: it's been running for almost a year now, with a pause in summer
Apocalyptic: tg2, because they want to flit the new hotest scamcoin available ?
benkay: tg2: or read logs. your call.
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i mean what methods u use to match trades
Apocalyptic: tg2, and get funds "stolen" like in coinex, cryptorush, openex and so on.. seems more fun i'm sure
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, what methods ? It matches orders as it should match them
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, for the same price yes of course
Mats_cd03: we need some sort of fee to prevent dummies from typing in here
Apocalyptic: it's not time but ID if I recall, cause the time doesn't have enough granularity
Mats_cd03: seriously what is going on? "how to match trades with c"
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: do u even know what ur saying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00278995 = 0.4715 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: no apparently im coked to the fucking gills
benkay: Mats_cd03: just ignore everyone sub 1 in your Wot.
xdotcomm_: so either c or c++ would be the best way
benkay: Mats_cd03: trust is complex and not solely dependent on wot
xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I trust tg2 how do i vte for him
benkay: har socks trusting socks trusting socks
benkay: exceed like 6 mos or something
benkay: identity is a function of raters, ratings and duration
tg2: That would make me a btc advocate before btc existed
benkay: methinks you miss the point.
benkay: computers have a hard time with infinity.
tg2: Hah ok give me 5 minutes I'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
benkay: that you can make a gpg key?
benkay: identity is a journey, not a hurdle.
tg2: Hold up lemme get a my sin out
benkay: (conj 'list-of-ninjashogun-suspected-socks 'tg2)
benkay: i'm halfway expecting a satoshi hoard signature at this point, but that'd be too good.
benkay: a vanity address from back in the day?
BingoBoingo: benkay: All to likely twist, Satoshi never mined to addresses he held private keys to
benkay: nigga please satoshi threw those keys away long ago
benkay: only way to ensure success
benkay: brother's way more interested in success than personal wealth
benkay: success = some crazy fn
benkay: that's what you get for relying on teh gewgs
ozbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog
benkay: tg2: please dox yourself.
benkay: xdotcomm_: please dox yourself.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
benkay: don't make me google for you.
tg2: ain't nobody bending over backwards in here to prove who they are or aren't
benkay: was that intended to be from xdotcomm_, tg2?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00095035 = 18.9595 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: take it for what it's worth
benkay: the vast majority of us are trivially doxxable.
benkay: no, that's not the point.
benkay: the point is confirming that this isn't a sustained social engineering attack.
tg2: i want to hear what this is we're attacking
tg2: lemme get some popcorn
xdotcomm_: i am going to watch bearing sea gold
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified.
tg2: that ip is my netrange
gribble: Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.
tg2: you'll see that it is in montreal
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net', is not identified.
tg2: super bell dsl proxies
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:86dbd1c410f4c909038fe2522989ebb330ba68bb7ead5be28b8a1eab
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, was that you that got banned from -dev some days ago because you were trying to build a dogecoin explorer and wanted to know how to get the "FROM address" ?
tg2: you ended up getting it to work tho right
benkay: this is how this works
gribble: You rated user benkay on Wed Mar 5 02:09:53 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Good at things he does.
Apocalyptic: I have a particulary good memory for nicks
gribble: You rated user BingoBoingo on Tue Mar 4 02:06:59 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: good sport wot wot.
benkay: ;;rated mircea_popescu
gribble: You rated user mircea_popescu on Mon Mar 3 02:50:38 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None.
tg2: lemme just upload my passprot
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
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xdotcomm_: mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get
gribble: You rated user asciilifeform on Sun Nov 24 22:09:43 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Making computing sane.
tg2: so you want us to wot up
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get // a fair assumption
tg2: we're both active in crypto
benkay: a bold claim for unregistered handles.
tg2: I'm reg'd on freenode
xdotcomm_: there is crypto outside of bitcoin
benkay: yeah but this is bitcoin.
tg2: so you just want us to reg on WOT?
tg2: i don't see what that will achieve
benkay: no, you build an identity.
benkay: there's about a light year of difference.
xdotcomm_: i do mostly brick and mortar security
tg2: ok I just dont' see why registering on WOT and vouching for eachotehr does anything if there is no trust to begin with
tg2: is that not the point of WOT?
benkay: this doesn't change overnight.
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ tg2: I'll wot you so hard
tg2: gonna wot this bitch up so hard
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
tg2: yall gonna be in my WOT in no time
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
tg2: can I just use my email pgp that I already have?
tg2: or beter to reg a new one just for this?
benkay: all things worthy of consideration
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095022 = 3.9909 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: you can use whatever gpg key you have a private key for
xdotcomm_: ill doo this tomorow .. to seems complicated
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
tg2: is this necessary for anything?
tg2: tbh trust is gained over time without pgp keys
BingoBoingo: tg2: If you have to ask you can't afford it.
xdotcomm_: so they dont think ur trolling them
tg2: shall we sport our pgp keys sir
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
tg2: if you guys only knew the half of what we do in crypto lol
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: are u the resident troll?
tg2: i feel like a kid in a new school who has to proove that he's cool
tg2: I haven't felt this way in a long time
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: dont worry I wont take your spot
tg2: good thought experiment though, how can two people prove they are in fact different people!
tg2: hard to impersonate 2 different people simultaneously!
xdotcomm_: bitcoinpete: i am on my 3d printer
BingoBoingo: tg2: Each of you writes a secret string on your taint and uploads pics
benkay: the operating theory is that there are two warm bodies behind this.
xdotcomm_: this is going to happen ... alts are falling we going back to the basics
tg2: I don't see what we're being accused of yet
xdotcomm_: get used it ... more noobs are coming
Mats_cd03: tg2: actually i am benkay BingoBoingo bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic
tg2: other than being friends IRL and being in this chan and both having projects in crypto
Mats_cd03: its sockpuppets all the way up, sucka
tg2: fuck props for being able to juggle that ;D
gribble: Nick 'Mats_cd03', with hostmask 'Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxnesrpwcnqmyhiq', is not identified.
tg2: there are 2 people in here
tg2: just a huge myriad of conversations
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> get used it ... more noobs are coming // can't wait
Mats_cd03: its not that youre new, or that you have to be cool
tg2: what else is there to do when you have an IQ of 180 other than sock puppet with yourself
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u seem chill we actually did productive stuff
xdotcomm_: I am on the crypto grind 24/7 making blockchain explorers while getting head in blockchain explorers
xdotcomm_: and for reals I am super easy to find verify.. I live a public life
bitcoinpete: i like how there's this whole "why wot, why pgp" when i just wrote a fucking article on it 3 hours ago
tg2: just not on block-explorer cause that shit is slow ass fuck
benkay: xdotcomm_: so dox yourself - what's so hard?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28746 @ 0.00094175 = 27.0715 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: do you need me to go first?
tg2: what will doxing get?
tg2: approval from internet strangers
benkay: either you don't get it or you're trolling hard
benkay: but an amelioration of the suspicion that you're a ninjashogun alt
bitcoinpete: tg2: if you don't need internet strangers and the feeling is mutual, there's really no need
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Consider this an oral defense
tg2: well, sadly, xdotcomm_ is the only one that can vouch that I'm not him haha
tg2: and well, ninjashogun himself
benkay: an utterly unremarkable claim.
tg2: yeah, ubt again, I don't really have much motivation to prove otherwise
benkay: from utterly untrustworthy handles.
tg2: so I guess that's that
BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics
tg2: i have chatted with him on skype
tg2: and spoken to him on skype
tg2: BingoBoingo, sharpie in pooper
tg2: careful with that fuck
tg2: yeah this is /b/ and we're summerfags
tg2: lemme just go grab my sharpie
benkay: springfags, but right idea.
xdotcomm_: do i just need past my linked in page?
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.
tg2: anyway, I guess the end result is that I'm fine if you think I'm someobdy I'm not, that is really up to you and no amount of unaged, unverified pgp can change that
Mats_cd03: have you considered that these two are minors and we're all about to be complicit in child pornography?
tg2: so I guess I'll just reenforce it alternatively
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
tg2: my hydro bill says I do
tg2: my darkcion wallet says I do
benkay: see tg2 xdotcomm_? it's not hard.
xdotcomm_: do they just want my linkedin or what the fuck is this dox?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
tg2: I donno, honestly the level of tinfoil hattery in here is beyond comprehension
benkay: it's called an immune system.
bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9654ce03645baa8e57db4260daa60d895ce8ac0a08f399eece104276
gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
benkay: it's not a hard bar to cross
tg2: isn't this why we have nickserv ;\
benkay: your reluctance is highly suspicious
xdotcomm_: are we applying for bitcoin credit cards?
xdotcomm_: benkay: dude like can u go step by step?
benkay: bitcoinpete got loans with a simple ;;ident
tg2: I just don't see the point, but i guess if you want to see a pgp key that I just gneerated
tg2: and if that will somehow make you at ease
benkay: still, sadly missing the point.
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
benkay: identity being f(raters, ratings, duration)
xdotcomm_: I kind of get it but i am to drunk to figure ouot this shit now
benkay: y'all ain't getting anywhere on your first noisy night here.
benkay: xdotcomm_: you sound just like ughlol!
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: You aren't applying for credit even, you are applying for citizenry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 548 @ 0.00094464 = 0.5177 BTC [+]
tg2: hahaha, man i'm gonna pgp up just to shut you guys up
tg2: this is fucking hillariosu
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, compliance isn't that hard for others i.imgur.com/yQ52mP7.jpg and i.imgur.com/o08heoV.jpg
tg2: lemme koolaid this php up
benkay: don't forget the === i'm serious bro operator
benkay: ;;google bitcoin electoral
benkay: ;;google bitcoin election trilema
benkay: you want to bitch about 'freedom' and 'not being a bitch'?
benkay: do like 6 months of reading.
Mats_cd03: first photo was meh, didnt anticipate hairy butthole with the second
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: damn, those are some fucking buttcoins
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Maybe I overpaid, but I resolved a sockpuppet situation in the past
BingoBoingo: This is really the only non-GPG to almost establish separate identities
benkay: either gpg, or sharpie in the pooper.
Mats_cd03: was there some sort of condition involving an i dotted with a heart, and a sharpie?
MisterE: how to randomize MAC addy of a Mac at reboot?
tg2: fk sakes, tg2 is too short for pgp name
benkay: some deep crypto asspert.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Putting a bet on that was one of my earliest in chan actions here
ozbot: How to Spoof your MAC address in Mac OS X
bitcoinpete: tg2: don't shorten it, use the full TiredGoat2
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I liked bitbet and found dice boring so when dared by kakobrekla I put 1 BTC on yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16252 @ 0.00094915 = 15.4256 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I dun really understand what is so hard about using the Buttcoin protocol to establish unique warm bodies behind nicks
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: solid. i bet on both sides of a couple recently. first go
BingoBoingo: Prolly could defeat it by outsourcing to fiver even
bitcoinpete: we can have smart contracts that self-insert sharpies
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Sounds like ethereum bullshit
bitcoinpete: and decentralized exchanges that sell buttcoin options
benkay: i'd like to buy a put buttcoin option please
Mats_cd03: is ethereum the new ripple hotness?
benkay: ethereum: the open buttcorn exchange
bitcoinpete: benkay: we have a 2 for 1 deal on at the moment, how many can i put you down for?
tg2: > Ticker queries bitcoin pricing based on mtgox.com's history.
benkay: i'll buy an option to put one sharpie in the poopers of tg2 and xdotcomm_ each or 1 option to put 2 sharpies in either of their poopers
benkay: you are free of course to sell them the call options balancing
bitcoinpete: that's basically just the ink in their buttpens
BingoBoingo: To make this market more interesting and establish some serious I will take 1 Sharpie in my pooper for 2.5 BTC
MisterE: BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics // Finally a succinct explanation of 2-factor auth!
benkay: BingoBoingo is selling puts at 2.5 for 1 sharpie in 1 pooper
bitcoinpete: MisterE: let's see nic cary give that one away!
benkay: given put call parity we should expect to see 5 B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
benkay: or rather we'd want to see someone willing to put down 5B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.04856922 = 0.6314 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: c'mon, loosen up those pursestrings people!
MisterE: the relationship of BTC to Sharpies is logarithmic
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified.
gribble: (auth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
benkay: this is what we call a shibboleth.
benkay: that with which you are unable to penetrate the sanctum.
BingoBoingo: To keep things interesting I would take one sharpie and my favorite cross pen in my worst parts for 2.75 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00452997 = 0.1223 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "assbot" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not opped and #bitcoin-assets is +t.
BingoBoingo: tg2: The moral of the story is that with WoT you can make and accept offers
BingoBoingo: Your authenticated word being as good as a contract.
BingoBoingo: With out it, you just are only as much better than noise as you can create arguments, but you still lack the ability to affirm any comittments
bitcoinpete: smart contract require smart people not smart machines
tg2: I just didn't see how this would immediately satisfy benkay's accusation
tg2: which it still doesn't :0
benkay: only time will do that.
tg2: I'm submitting it now to the registry
benkay: and not acting like ninjashogun.
tg2: my old pgp was expired
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well for you it doesn't quite, not in the way Buttcoins do
xdotcomm_: i catch tg on my gay sites all the time
tg2: I only watch them cause I like to see porn with you in it
tg2: ok so if we're both socks, then that should identify both of us, right?
benkay: gents the accusation was "two warm bodies"
tg2: you still have to post sharpie in wife's ass
tg2: time to get into wife swapping
tg2: bitcoinpete - only one, yes
tg2: this nigga over here tkaing notes
MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:64cc01d806a3a90a79e37d07c938af251d0e6c9bd6c0f087a087a67d
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589706 = 0.2795 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3
tg2: is having a wife a luxury not afforded to the bitcoin elite?
tg2: bitches can't get enough of my doge coins
MisterE: I've done the time but not the crime
BingoBoingo: Well, generally the singular is undershooting things by MP standards
benkay: some of us have more than one partner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05588793 = 0.1118 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: some of us are foreveralone
tg2: some of us have a realdoll
MisterE: some have a wife and also a "small wife"
bitcoinpete: tg2: i'm sure your bitches love taking cruises in your doge-nascar-impala
tg2: this chat is publicly logged
tg2: and I say that openly
MisterE: forever attributable to you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589986 = 0.1118 BTC [+]
tg2: and nobody can reproach me for it
tg2: its ok nobody can prove its me... *submits pgp key*
tg2: shit the only sharpie I have is one of those big commercial ones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589963 = 0.1118 BTC [-]
tg2: your nick is really familliar bitcoinpete
MisterE: ;;later tell tg2 to start with the small end...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05589495 = 0.1677 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Dedovshchina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
tg2: do I take the cap off
benkay: kids don't do anal 'cause they don't got the patience.
xdotcomm_: Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0009445 = 20.3068 BTC [-]
xdotcomm_: The term is derived from "ded" (Russian: дед, meaning grandfather), which is the Russian Army army slang equivalent of gramps, meaning soldiers at their third (or fourth, which is also known as "dembel" (Russian: дембель), stemming from a vulgarization of the word "demobilization" (Russian: демобилизация) - this word is erroneously used by soldiers to name the event of resigning from
xdotcomm_: the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which
xdotcomm_: only grants seniority to conscripts promoted to various Sergeant and Efreitor ranks.
tg2: its called being a wrothless summerfag
tg2: oh come on, submit to it
tg2: submit to others will
tg2: its in your defiant russian blood to do so
benkay: tg2 how long does it take to whip up a gpg key?
tg2: finding the proper directory to submit it to
xdotcomm_: yea i can do it but then where do i put it?
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified.
benkay: hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
benkay: what the first one expired
benkay: now you're typing at lightning speed on your android phone
tg2: last time I used a pgp key
tg2: well its that or use windows
tg2: its... so late... benkay-san
tg2: please take pity on me... i cannot submit so fast..
tg2: -> EVERYBODY MUST USE PGP AT LAL TIMes NO EXCEPTIONS
tg2: >implying that the internet forgets about it after 6 months
benkay: actually most of us run naked until interlopers appear derping around.
xdotcomm_: the link to OSx guide has expire domain
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
tg2: there's your problem
xdotcomm_: Mac OS X guide with pictures by Drcross.
tg2: that wiki is straight shit btw
tg2: i think i spotted your problem
tg2: i'm going to do it befor eyou do
tg2: maybe you can use your smartphone...
xdotcomm_: u mean do it on phone and computer since we are the same person
tg2: use your (my) android phone
tg2: instead of your (my) iphone
bitcoinpete: we need a parimutuel bet on who gets it done first
tg2: xdotcomm_ has a sick betting site in teh works
benkay: bitcoinpete: it's a badbet, they're in cahoots.
tg2: you bet on whether or not you're going to get your money back
benkay: lzolzozlzolzol betting site in bitcoin
tg2: if you win, you get it back
Mats_cd03: id put a sharpie in my butt for you
benkay: get the fuck out of my face
MisterE: it's a rapidly moving target
tg2: fudnamentally it can never be wrong
tg2: and xdotcomm_'s typing
tg2: it is there to prevent others
benkay: too complicated for you two?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.0009445 = 6.3074 BTC [-]
tg2: its some kind of sick twisted game
tg2: where they tell everybody to use PGP
tg2: then the guide purposly oomits the parts you need to know
benkay: what's the difference anyways
MisterE: cli is easiest no fucking around
tg2: WHY DONT THEY HAVE A WINDOWS XP GUI
tg2: IM GONNA WRITE AN ANGRY EMAIL (unsigned of course) ABOUTT HIS MATTER
benkay: ^^ widows crypto asspert
tg2: benkay - I hope we meet IRL some time
benkay: certified microsoft scrum officer
tg2: >implying I didn't mean for beers
tg2: I have more resepect for people I dislike than those I get along with
benkay: it's just a train ride away
benkay: hack in the living room with the fellas
tg2: i herd blowjobs are cheap there
tg2: supply and demand thing
xdotcomm_: he will come and like buy u beers for pissing him off in the chat
benkay: yeah men are in short supply
tg2: there is a good brewpub there
tg2: that I wanted to visit
tg2: one in particular on the drive down from here
tg2: has like 400 bottles on tap
tg2: hold on lemme find it
tg2: you do a x month thing
tg2: where you drink all sorts of varieties
tg2: then you get your cert
moiety: ;; wtf sauce please gribble
gribble: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
tg2: (only after providing gpg obviously)
ozbot: McMenamins - Pubs, Breweries and Historic Hotels in Oregon and Washington
xdotcomm_: “GPG Keychain Access” would like to access your contacts.
benkay: what you want is bailey's taproom
tg2: you are not being serious
benkay: the app for which my shop made
tg2: if not, props cause my jimmies are on the moon
gribble: Error: "fsck" is not a valid command.
tg2: if so, holy fuck your jimmies are on the moon
MisterE: so wondering what else you mean that big?
moiety: benkay, MisterE: ever tried BrewDog?
MisterE: no I haven't been back to the US for a few years now
benkay: moiety: nope. too much good local stuff for imports
MisterE: and even then just a few weeks
moiety: benkay, fair point, its local to me lol. if you ever do come across it, it's really good
MisterE: naaw dawg nobody gonna find me here
benkay: tg2: i'm nowhere near so abrasive in person
tg2: it would be difficult for that to be a false statement without breaking some field of physics
benkay: thing is, there are cultural mores over which you're trampling tonight tg2
tg2: putty into a linux server
benkay: consider it an immune response. nothing personal.
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
moiety: BingoBoingo: jesus, 1.4million? o.o article does make me love rpi a wee bit more
xdotcomm_: Please select what kind of key you want:
MisterE: surely leased hashing is a scam in an d of itself?
tg2: I'm not oblivious to that
tg2: I'll gen one for you k
tg2: i'll keep the private key REALLLLL SAFE
benkay: troll so hard motherfuckers wan' byte me
tg2: <signed> guys i'm so gay
moiety: BingoBoingo: he does look like a total gimp
moiety: xdotcomm_: and now you see the benefit of not reading a quick guide. all questions answered.
benkay: i was just talking to some friends earlier today about how the right way to learn how to gpg correctly was to take a week and read the manual.
benkay: seems like nobody has a week to learn a tool anymore.
benkay: anyone in this channel ever use a mill?
moiety: nah one evening with BingoBoingo does it perfectly
tg2: week? people dont read an article past the 2nd sentence
tg2: why do you think upworthy.com is so popular
tg2: its a youtube video and 2 sentences
benkay: moiety: you're a little smarter than the average babe.
tg2: xdotcomm_ can build a 3d printer from scratch
benkay: GP teach you how to use it?
benkay: tg2: doesn't matter if he can't make money with if.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, he lost too many finger parts
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
benkay: you can play with gribble in private to avoid humiliating yourself, xdotcomm_
gribble: (gpg register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
benkay: woulda been more fun to watch him flail
benkay: don't fuck with keys when you're not sober
benkay: keys are serious business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12375 @ 0.00093959 = 11.6274 BTC [-] {2}
xdotcomm_: i already uploaded it to rapidshare for tg2
moiety: i learned gpg steaming drunk too.
benkay: daww moiety why don't you play with me wasted?
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ gribble: (verify <url>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing a pastebin <url> which contains the challenge string clearsigned with your GPG key of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
moiety: i try to behave in here, mostly
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: get on my fucking ident level scrubs
tg2: we really shoudln't have drank so much tonight
joecool: xdotcomm_: you send the bitcoin
gribble: Nick 'joecool', with hostmask 'joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool', is identified as user 'joecool', with GPG key id 4A169504F495E1D1, key fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc
xdotcomm_: joecool: u trying to get me to send u bitcoin?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 2 to 2.
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
tg2: did you register yet?
benkay: this is pretty much as lulzy as it gets
moiety: await a bunch of ratings from similarly unknown new names in the coming while
benkay: sleep tight BingoBoingo
tg2: good riddan... err night
BingoBoingo: tg2 xdotcomm_ Yall dun know what drinking is
joecool: lol i've never seen that message on wot before
xdotcomm_: is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
tg2: you doing it on 'nix cli?
benkay: moiety: your ratings are tits
tg2: is it acceptable that my key password is benkay4gaypresident?
benkay: "attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost"
benkay: i gotta hear the story behind that
gribble: Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2db00ddcee5d2ae977131df20df2c783d9f3fcb201c231adcc7e9b3a
ozbot: NationStates | The Most Serene Republic of Bingotonia
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
benkay: xdotcomm_: maybe go to sleep
benkay: 1 day does not matter over the course of your life
tg2: inb4 gpg brute force
tg2: it will get accepted
tg2: haha my sides are in orbit
benkay: tg2 where did you get your mixer?
tg2: if only you guys knew on what level this is
tg2: x is chortling strong
tg2: mixer? i don't mix. anybody who says so is a lying sac of shit and I will ;;rate them
benkay: i've never seen anyone do that to metaphors before. i want one like you have.
Apocalyptic: "I will ;;rate them" too bad you can't, for now
tg2: i'm putting it in notepad
benkay: i'm still waiting for you both to auth at the same time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093817 = 8.6312 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bro Down Stephen Sondheim vs Randy Marsh - YouTube
tg2: this perfectly recaps our exchanges tonight
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'xdotcommer', with hostmask 'xdotcommer!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.
benkay: reading comprehension?
tg2: this is a clever ruse
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
Apocalyptic: xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command
tg2: meanwhile x has like 4 gpg keys that I know of
xdotcommer: Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcomme
tg2: xdotcommer, you have to disable norton antivirus
Apocalyptic: now you open that, decrypt it,and ;;everify it
tg2: and open internete explorer
tg2: search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download"
tg2: click the first link
tg2: click all hte donwload buttons you see
tg2: click yes on all the prompts
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: wow, such ident, much fingerprint
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00093586 = 26.7656 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
tg2: ok xdotcommer, your shift is up
tg2: inform the next sock they can take over
MisterE: that dude with the 2.5 ph!!
benkay: where are your ratings going to come from?
tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 touched my tralala
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
MisterE: nice work those rigs look bare bones
xdotcommer: ok so what can we do now that we could not do before?
tg2: you denenerate shitposter
xdotcommer: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 shilling like a villain
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
chatquack: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 pretty awesome
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded.
tg2: that is how the trust system works
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
tg2: benkay can has r8 pls
tg2: I'll send you 100 dogecoins
Apocalyptic: poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today
tg2: doesn't even have darkcoins
benkay: good job falling in line
benkay: no need to even crack skulls
tg2: > implying skull cracking abilities
benkay: it's a reference for others, tg2
tg2: well I feel much less dignified that before
benkay: don't pay it too much bother
benkay: you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke
tg2: but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am
benkay: yeah, what's your rating again?
tg2: look at this guy, doge meme'n it up
tg2: you're a half decent guy you know that
tg2: i applaud your efforts at making us feel at home
xdotcommer: ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system
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tg2: its actually closer tot hat
tg2: but with more drinking
tg2: and less black people
benkay: you'll get it, i'm sure
tg2: i really think its great that you guys are humoring us
benkay: if not derpers, won't drown
tg2: meanwhile xdotcommer authored parts of i2p
tg2: as previously mentionned, sides are on jupiter ATM
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
tg2: perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned
tg2: along with a hangover
benkay: plan to read logs in the am?
moiety: this is still ongoing i see
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
moiety: fucking pretty key i made huh :)
moiety: benkay: its called ignore :P
benkay: gotta have *some* modicum of manners
moiety: treat others as they treat you is my motto
tg2: brb writing a vanity gpg key gen
benkay: after all, BingoBoingo and I settled our differences eventually.
moiety: i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled
moiety: oh yeah i wanted to see my ratings
benkay: well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago
joecool: moiety: congrats WOT is no longer telling me that you're an impostor and a scammer
benkay: ;;rate moiety 1 not ninjashogun
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
moiety: i just needed to gribble joecool!
moiety: i has two ratings nao :D
benkay: quantity > quality, eh xdotcommer?
benkay: <xdotcommer> y so many pople in this channel [01:00]
benkay: <xdotcommer> alsmost as much as in #dogecoin
benkay: <xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+
xdotcommer: are u saying ur better then dogecoin person?
moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i didn't realise you had left me a rating, that means a lot what you said
benkay: and inflates infinitely!
benkay: was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ?
moiety: fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then
xdotcommer: tg2: u got those bitcoins i sent last year?
moiety: yeah benkay i tried to make it work as best i could but i think i was in a losing battle, large mess
benkay: did you get out whole?
moiety: still going amn't i? :)
benkay: still wrapped up in it then
moiety: well no its shifted, i only retained some users and code really
moiety: just didnt give in when i shouldve
benkay: to what should you have given in?
moiety: like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like
benkay: nobody else to push it off on?
moiety: no and i couldnt say no enough times.
benkay: that's a rough finger trap.
moiety: all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say
moiety: dwll on things too long and you just go backwards right?
benkay: key there is the "too long"
benkay: there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things
benkay: but generally don't hurt yourself unnecessarily over it
benkay: learn the html, css, js
moiety: ^ thats what i did entirely
benkay: maybe get a sweet job or something
moiety: yeah im now in learn mode. i did have crazy plans but BingoBoingo said, just calm down and learn a while
moiety: shit thing is i lost my job in the process
benkay: how'd that come about?
benkay: not to reopen a fresh wound.
tg2: when did you ever send me bitcions
moiety: a few factors, but being so involved in that didnt help. not for publogs
tg2: dont try to get ratings out of me you scammy fuck
xdotcommer: tg2: whats bitcoins is that money software
tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer -10000000 said he had candy in his van
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
moiety: so are you guys on oral medication or injections?
benkay: yeah it's bullshit i tell you
tg2: I'm going to write an angry letter
tg2: what kind of rating pyramid is this anyway
tg2: who rates the raters
tg2: how many rates can you rate, really
tg2: at what rate can those rates truly be rated
moiety: when can i rate people? how many do i need?
tg2: send me somebitcoins I'll rate you
tg2: ask benkay - he has my address
moiety: ;; rate benkay 1 knows trolling when he sees it
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
tg2: ;;rate benkay 10 IRL bro, accdientally crossed streams, never talked about it
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
benkay: i'm just waiting to discover that tg2 is pax dickinson or someone cool
tg2: so................. once i get 1 rating
xdotcommer: moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains?
benkay: i'll probably be mad disappointed.
tg2: I can give out infinite ratings
tg2: benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right
tg2: and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY"
moiety: xdotcommer: it doesnt exist anymore
benkay: ain't nobody in no hurry, tg2
tg2: just when you are comfortable in your assertion that I am not ninjashogun, after years of earning your trust, secretly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
tg2: I wlil reveal myself as ninjashogun
moiety: it was a cool concept, with the wrong users
tg2: you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend
moiety: namecheap will probably be selling .ponzi soon
benkay: .bit is the new .ponzi
Apocalyptic: <tg2> I can give out infinite ratings // depends
moiety: manls.com and pallascat.com are gone :(
moiety: oh i hadnt thought of .ls, i was thinking pallasc.at but im not so keen on domain hacks
tg2: damn I was hopnig that .ls stood for lichtenstein
xdotcommer: if mozilla + google adopt it... it game time
moiety: except mine, mine is great. palindrome email ftw
xdotcommer: for .bit u need mozilla + chrome to adopt it.
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
benkay: xdotcommer: bitcoin's a ponzi, duh.
tg2: unsatisfactory amount of 6's in gpg stub
tg2: bitcoin, the best ponzi
moiety: my key is beautiful. shut up
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: looks like 4 bitches
tg2: this is modern day palm reading
moiety: do you guys ever sleep? js
tg2: if only you knew benkay, if only you knew
moiety: sounds like a challenge
tg2: well, its early enough to go to bed
benkay: tg2 if only *you* knew benkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: now...if only *you* knew benkay...
moiety: lol nanight benkay, nice article :)
benkay: quit flattering me you
tg2: Wow ok I'll officially tired, I just set a server ip to it's netmask and have no ipmi... lol
xdotcommer: cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own
xdotcommer: this is to niche ... its like reinventing linkedin
xdotcommer: registering with ircbot systems is not a step forward
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [-]
jurov: i prefer one can prove ownership of gpg key
jurov: domains can't be truly owned anyway
xdotcommer: granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant
xdotcommer: i am honored to be one of "knuckleheads"
xdotcommer: yea when I am to wasted to produce code ill hit up irc for inspiration
jurov: elegant things are not good for anything, only to be fucked up
xdotcommer: there was some hotties at the bar tonight for sure
jurov: Apocalyptic thx for supporting my point
xdotcommer: there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored
jurov: but really.. what is elegeant in replacing wot with domains?
jurov: unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28006 @ 0.00093475 = 26.1786 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093375 = 8.5905 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5983 @ 0.0026331 = 15.7538 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
MisterE: wtf to do with private key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 110 @ 0.07086819 = 7.7955 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00093413 = 9.1545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00093679 = 22.3893 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-]
bounce: back it up. check eg paperkey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5726 @ 0.00094092 = 5.3877 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04889988 = 0.1467 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05361002 = 0.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20635 @ 0.00094067 = 19.4107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.00094137 = 4.5798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44129 @ 0.00094161 = 41.5523 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00094208 = 16.1765 BTC [+]
ozbot: Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13047 @ 0.00093704 = 12.2256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00260062 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00093537 = 13.431 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35221 @ 0.0009401 = 33.1113 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something
cazalla: doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ??
mircea_popescu: (before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0058612 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10246 @ 0.00093324 = 9.562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00577263 = 1.905 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00094359 = 17.5461 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used
ThickAsThieves: as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6085 = 1.217 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00094395 = 15.3326 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.10144642 = 2.2318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 107 @ 0.10144642 = 10.8548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00094485 = 32.1249 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07 = 2.59 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00261 = 0.3315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288924 = 0.2916 BTC [+]
ozbot: Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily
ozbot: A mental problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094481 = 7.5585 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2130 @ 0.00094425 = 2.0113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00261001 = 0.1984 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00261 = 0.5742 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00094406 = 3.6771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00094406 = 14.6329 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07000005 = 0.49 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16611 @ 0.00094502 = 15.6977 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! | The Free
MisterE: what is up with this dump?
moiety: that picture of bush is a cracker
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade
moiety: im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.
VanCleef: wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00261411 = 1.5685 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 531.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 530.01, 24 hour volume: 20457.00800923, 24 hour low: 521.3, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 557.384556905
ozbot: BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut
VanCleef: hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094272 = 1.6498 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0026006 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288944 = 0.2916 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574449 = 0.5744 BTC [-] {7}
VanCleef: i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288955 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05489775 = 0.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04791 = 0.2875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9262 @ 0.00094272 = 8.7315 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00421998 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 89 @ 0.00410519 = 0.3654 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07801016 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07801014 = 0.9361 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6075 = 1.215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 432 @ 0.0025 = 1.08 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.96, Best ask: 524.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 522.96, 24 hour volume: 25859.58689375, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 588.01, 24 hour vwap: 548.210623289
lnovy: but not for long :)
lnovy: i prefer to trade :)
tg2: Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after
tg2: Enough patience to write an article. :D
TomServo: Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.
MykelSIlver: 284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc
MisterE: I dont think we're there yet
tg2: irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse
dexX7: lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
nubbins`: dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work
tg2: Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60500011 BTC [-]
dexX7: wait. what was trilema's office number again? :D
nubbins`: i think you just type out the email address on the keypad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60500002 = 5.445 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00570004 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {3}
VanCleef: goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00570002 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00566334 = 0.606 BTC [-] {6}
nanotube: mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00094339 = 53.7261 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: thats... quite something punkman1!
moiety: my collection is growing! ty!
moiety: my site will be useless but fucking informative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00094457 = 23.2837 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00094553 = 23.5437 BTC [+] {4}
moiety: that one has crystals in it too! :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00269314 = 0.2478 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17830 @ 0.00094228 = 16.8009 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2022 @ 0.00013797 = 0.279 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: the mongolian one is pretty sick
nubbins`: reminds me of the canadian owl coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 107 @ 0.04780965 = 5.1156 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013797 = 0.2759 BTC [-]
dexX7: lol those coins are evil
nubbins`: i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it
dexX7: looks like it would break or fall off quickly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00271073 = 0.4337 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver
punkman1: setting gems is not an unsolved problem
nubbins`: yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin
nubbins`: i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy
Namworld: I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box
mircea_popescu: soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.
Namworld: And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.
jurov: it's catholic eater, too
Namworld: What the hell is a blood moon?
Mats_cd03: well thats going to look awesome when im baked
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 528.81, Best ask: 529.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 529.0, 24 hour volume: 29481.45338267, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.5, 24 hour vwap: 544.928762099
Namworld: I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."
mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00093723 = 2.0619 BTC [-]
MykelSIlver: must be a miracle if this was the Low till May
Mats_cd03: depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef
mike_c: sweet, i'm gunna be rich
mircea_popescu: watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit.
jurov: you forgot to ask which lotto
jurov: and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"
dexX7: 505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)
Mats_cd03: those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO
Mats_cd03: (Lost reference if i left anybody behind)
ozbot: TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his
MisterE: those are the numbers from lost
MisterE: same happened to GF's sister
MisterE: deposited an extra month's salaruy
MisterE: she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages
nubbins`: so will the government give back the $38k in taxes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-]
nubbins`: even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours
chetty: gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security
MisterE: There's something even worse than fiat though
mircea_popescu: such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.
mircea_popescu: it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18328 @ 0.00093723 = 17.1776 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.
MisterE: it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts
mircea_popescu: early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged.
mircea_popescu: so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title
Mats_cd03: the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn
mircea_popescu: intelligence types are better company than almost any other class
Mats_cd03: many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with
Mats_cd03: aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something
mircea_popescu: what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: you were in jail?
MisterE: heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security
MisterE: get ther hats handed to them and move on
Mats_cd03: people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst
Mats_cd03: probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people.
MisterE: military prefers and promotes non-thinkers
MisterE: by nature it's not a meritocracy
Mats_cd03: in my experience thats only half true
Mats_cd03: the american military is pretty good at straddling the line
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42768314 BTC to 4`834 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
Mats_cd03: as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations
Mats_cd03: basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept
mircea_popescu: JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, it’s very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, “Call the police. You really should call the police.” So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, “Yeah, I’m calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... I’m gonna see some real action.” Right, you think that. So
mircea_popescu: , the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I don’t really think we’re gonna crack this case, do you? It’s not like Batman, where there’s three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough
mircea_popescu: er to spot. “Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, he’s dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, he’s a PENGUIN!
Mats_cd03: inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers
Mats_cd03: but its usually lost by the time they make major
Mats_cd03: whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design
Mats_cd03: mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant)
MisterE: Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater
Mats_cd03: so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors
MisterE: hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq
Mats_cd03: and thats all the ranting i have for this morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00093514 = 2.4781 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04777125 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05484888 = 0.4388 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0475 = 0.665 BTC [-]
tg2: Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault
tg2: itt: every exchange in the last year
tg2: Hackers/transaction maleability/bots
nubbins`: bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane
nubbins`: people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it
nubbins`: the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people
nubbins`: before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns
Mats_cd03: well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens
mircea_popescu: this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable.
mircea_popescu: no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier,
benkay: xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61888 = 2.4755 BTC [+]
nubbins`: wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night
xdotcommer: benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K
benkay: tellin me how it works
Mats_cd03: theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff
benkay: i don't care about the 2k
benkay: i care about someone impersonating you.
benkay: xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool
benkay: he says is doesn't work like we think it does
benkay: those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus.
xdotcommer: You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6049 @ 0.00012478 = 0.7548 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 634 @ 0.00260018 = 1.6485 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: ah, that other guy was going on about that last night
nubbins`: said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4387 @ 0.00012445 = 0.546 BTC [-] {7}
xdotcommer: benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme
Mats_cd03: if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012423 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: don't believe everything hollywood tells you
benkay: idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 542 @ 0.00043965 = 0.2383 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: cryptocat was broken by design, right?
benkay: what is he still doing talking about crypto?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 948 @ 0.00042231 = 0.4003 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things.
benkay: last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat.
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2990 @ 0.00011621 = 0.3475 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..
mircea_popescu: mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon
benkay: if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00525234 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin
xdotcommer: is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011051 = 0.5526 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
benkay: xdotcommer: there's already internet.
the20year3: I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.
benkay: seventies art is cool again?
xdotcommer: benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort?
dexX7: benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy
the20year3: We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.
benkay: wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer
dexX7: but very related: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEmO7wQKCMw
mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.
benkay: xdotcommer: still need help with google?
benkay: anyways, new york, like most good artists.
the20year3: VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.005265 / 0.00532521 (121 shares, 0.63706440 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00541285 / 0.00563480 (2353 shares, 12.73643556 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556201 / 0.00900001 (46756 shares, 260.05711417 BTC)
VanCleef: hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075?
benkay: you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053?
the20year3: HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
benkay: you've done it now, boyo
the20year3: That's what HL does on all future rounds
mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.
the20year3: according to the policies on HL's site?
benkay: does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?
the20year3: Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?
benkay: too bad you don't have the cash.
the20year3: As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round
benkay: once again, never do business outside the wot
mircea_popescu: i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place.
Mats_cd03: does this sort of thing even have a name?
benkay: you people have no conscience.
the20year3: I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round
Mats_cd03: oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term
Mats_cd03: im also baked out of my mind on pure gold
pankkake: can't you simply put a sell order of new shares?
mircea_popescu: the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock
mircea_popescu: topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front,
mircea_popescu: but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 643 @ 0.00532521 = 3.4241 BTC [+]
pankkake: I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature
mircea_popescu: pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.
topace: im not sure where you are getting this information
mircea_popescu: the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.
topace: [12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
topace: ^ is what i was referring to
topace: the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds
CheckDavid: You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?
mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?
benkay: the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.
the20year3: RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC
benkay: topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working?
the20year3: USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055
mircea_popescu: benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i know.
topace: (remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)
benkay: well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?
mike_c: next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.
topace: because i wrote the code
benkay: and it couldn't possible have changed
topace: there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code"
mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?
benkay: massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05484888 = 0.2742 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00562729 = 0.2363 BTC [+] {2}
the20year3: I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD
topace: im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?
benkay: mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve
benkay: topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.
benkay: the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first
benkay: fall apart/delist/get indicted
benkay: who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent
mircea_popescu: kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.0026 = 0.546 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working
benkay: bring an underwriter or someone who understands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.0004088 = 0.1643 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056274 = 0.1688 BTC [+]
mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"
VanCleef: i dont know just haven't heard from them since
mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business
benkay: they're crossing the wires though
mircea_popescu: which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?
benkay: cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once
VanCleef: i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead
mircea_popescu: much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance
mircea_popescu: its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics
ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ?
benkay: welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves
mike_c: topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.
Mats_cd03: i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd
ThickAsThieves: that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier :
mircea_popescu: people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle.
VanCleef: 3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 520.06, Best ask: 526.96, Bid-ask spread: 6.90000, Last trade: 520.06, 24 hour volume: 33543.19632708, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.49, 24 hour vwap: 540.479270299
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00093745 = 16.2648 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: bitstamp's running fractional too, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible
benkay: ;;google bitstamp audit
mircea_popescu: speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now."
benkay: firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves
tg2: turkeys are a... growth market
Mats_cd03: i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving
mircea_popescu: try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico.
mircea_popescu: what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream
tg2: mmm deep fried butter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
mircea_popescu: and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3%
Mats_cd03: when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick
VanCleef: could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed?
ThickAsThieves: one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen
Mats_cd03: the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours
VanCleef: i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056271 = 0.2251 BTC [-]
VanCleef: i'm sure fifa.com keep scores on their website
VanCleef: i can list who else is in the group
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ?
TestingUnoDosTre: yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00093774 = 10.8778 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00536113 / 0.00562740 (907 shares, 4.86254898 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00540361 / 0.00563480 (3139 shares, 16.96192014 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555895 / 0.00900001 (47528 shares, 264.20559875 BTC)
TestingUnoDosTre: lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc
ThickAsThieves: pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it
mircea_popescu: anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later!
TomServo: TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, why 3M?
VanCleef: i thought you ony rode horses?
TestingUnoDosTre: I may or may not have worked for the company for a couple years and amassed to much of a concentrated holding due to putting 10% of each pay check into stock options
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093514 = 8.6033 BTC [-]
ozbot: USAJOBS - Search Jobs
Mats_cd03: Job Title:DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FOR EURASIA
Mats_cd03: hahahaha someone in the DIA got shit-canned over ukraine
tg2: > $120,749.00 to $175,000.00 / Per Year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056275 = 0.2251 BTC [+]
tg2: seems to me that offering a salary that pathetic to somebody in that position is either a sign of an incompetent office in the event they're looking for somebody competent, or of a smart one if they're looking for a patsy/puppet
tg2: likely the previous occupant was the opposite
tg2: "Putting the welfare of the Nation and commitment to our mission before oneself." .... for $120k.
tg2: i know people who work on css all day and make more than that
kow: tg2 is a liar I met him irl he is like 300lbs, poor, and doesn't leave his apartment which is just full of stacks of old books and empty stouffers containers which he's saving for the points
tg2: k\o\w, can you ;;rate me then
gribble: Error: 'fat' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Nick 'k\o\w', with hostmask 'k\o\w!~kow@69-196-151-22.dsl.teksavvy.com', is not identified.
tg2: bro GPG up or else who the fuck are you anyway
kow: careful with that or I'll doxx u
ozbot: Morning-after pills less effective for heavier women, warning will say - Health - CBC News
mod6: a guy once got 1bn satoshi for that
the20year3: I could very well be wrong about how HL is handling it, i made the assumption (right or wrong) that they treat it as a new IPO
benkay: the20year3: and freeze trading on the new asset to support your new imaginary valuation?
nubbins`: TIL that morning-after pills don't work if you weigh more than 175lbs
kow: tg2 I sold some BTC to a dude in mcdonalds yesterday, the guy knew NOTHING about it, didn't even know how to confirm my deposit, said he's been buying half a BTC every week. I think I met a BTC prepper.
tg2: k\o\w, shouldn't you have backdoor-laced operating systems to be releasing?!
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: broscience
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
kow: tg2, I've been busy and other people took over the dev :(
benkay: the20year3: will you be allowing existing rent stockholders to sell their shares at 0.0075 as well?
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tg2: k\o\w, I havce a nice project you might like
tg2: alrady recuited some of your coconspirators
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the20year3: THat's a good question benkay, i'll need to check into it, but I assume the answer is yes
Mats_cd03: who the fuck invited the finns to a civil war?
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tg2: this whole WOT thing is working well I see
Mats_cd03: i hope they canceled their life insurance policies
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http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ tg2: yeah if I was syrian and didn't live in syria the first thing I'd do is high tail it back to syria
tg2: fk this vanity gpg generator is an entropy whore
tg2: will otc accept a 2048b key?
Mats_cd03: sadly some of it is shelled to bits now
tg2: syria, home of the brave.
BingoBoingo: tg2: 2048 is probably the minimum reasonable size
tg2: I would think that it /could/ accept a 1024 key
tg2: but I wouldn't use one
tg2: my tinfoil hat is neatly folded
pankkake: otc accepted my old 1024 key, so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00093671 = 15.2684 BTC [+]
tg2: last 1024 key I had expired some time ago
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: contrarian
tg2: I can't agree with that.
Mats_cd03: i suppose we can disagree on disagreeing
tg2: and if I did, would that prove it wrong?
tg2: gl circular reasoning
Mats_cd03: too many levels, im going to fall off a bridge while inside a van
tg2: brb sha1 1024 gpg key inbound
pankkake: FYI you can create stronger subkeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093663 = 0.6556 BTC [-]
benkay: keep making noise, tho 'bro'. it'll get you far.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093915 = 9.5793 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: and you probably already have one subkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0056499 = 0.2542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00093514 = 6.1252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00569 = 0.1707 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5600 @ 0.00010804 = 0.605 BTC [-] {9}
dexX7: the20year3: could you please tell me, if issuer's funds are locked during an ipo on havelock and is it correct that buyers are unable to undercut the issuer during the ipo? are updates of any kind during an ipo allowed, e.g. a description?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00596 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
benkay: dexX7: just assume you're going to get fucked, no lube. it's the havelock way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00599999 = 2.226 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: haha no, don't get me wrong
dexX7: i'm not trying to evaluate the chances of creating a scam :o
benkay: "someone"'s pushing rent up to the .0075 line.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.006 = 0.75 BTC [+]
benkay: not even bothering to sell
benkay: what kind of kiddy bullshit is this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00093301 = 12.3157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000932 = 4.66 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0060947 = 3.0474 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00255253 = 1.5315 BTC [-] {12}
TestingUnoDosTre: If I created a master key with my name and email attached to it, but I want to some business anonymously. Let's just say I want to publish an anonymous blog or something. Could I generate an anonymous subkey and sign all my blog documents with the subkey, and there would be no way anyone could find my master key and therefore my name and email address?
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: don't ask to ask just ask
TestingUnoDosTre: aka is there a link from my no-named subkey to my public key from my master?
nubbins`: intuition tells me yes, there is
benkay: if you want to decouple identities, decouple identities.
benkay: I personally would use separate master keys for different identities.
benkay: it'll help guard against mistakes.
bounce: AIUI the link goes from the master to the sub, not the other way around. but would have to dig into the protocol to figure that one out.
bounce: but yes, easier to not overload keys and just make a new key instead.
benkay: can you sign with subkeys?
benkay: i'd separate concerns here.
benkay: if you're not comfortable with the whole master key subordinate key thing and confident that you can always do the right thing, guard against "yourself as your own worst enemy" and use separate master keys.
TestingUnoDosTre: I have only generated one master key at the moment though, but I think it was truly a DSA elgamel pair
bounce: the thing is of course that as soon as you publish for all to see your public master key it'll have subs that were supposed to remain sooper seekrit.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9098 @ 0.00093301 = 8.4885 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: can we just stop thinking that somehow athletes need to gain an education? Basketball players at UNC especially, keep some fine moneys flowing through the system
benkay: pretty sure that most american educations gave up on thinking a long time ago, TestingUnoDosTre
nubbins`: ^ it's what makes my computer work
benkay: there is an element i am completely failing to address for teh style override
benkay: HeySteve2: did you ever sort your wallet?
the20year3: dexX7: I believe issuer funds are locked from trading, but the issuer can withdraw funds for whatever business purchases they have, as long as the new proceeds meet the minimum threshold. The updates are definately recommended during any ipo/fund phase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605505 = 2.422 BTC [-] {3}
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the20year3: Additionally, if there's extreme investor outrage of the 2nd round, we'll cancel it, but as of this moment i haven't seen that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 46 @ 0.0160002 = 0.736 BTC [+]
dexX7: the20year3: is there a max time how long an ipo can be active and trading is disabled for buyers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0009313 = 21.6993 BTC [-]
mike_c: the20year3: any comment on mp's question about the NC expansion? paraphrasing: you have advantages in ohio (namely the economics and your expertise), and how will those scale to NC?
the20year3: The big barrier to entry is capital and capital management than personal experience. I know that seems odd, but if you'd talk to any REI group you'd find out that money is the #1 problem to starting out and getting good properties.
the20year3: In the case of this CREI deal, they already have a solid candidate for a property, i've already reviewed the comps, documents and everything associated with the deal and feel it's a very good buy.
the20year3: CREI has been wholesaling (Locating properties, selling the leads to investors) for 3 years now and has had well over a dozen profitable deals for the end investors. That's a very good track record, but his problem is the same problem that i have had since 2008 - Capital. So, we can come in as RS with just a little bit of capital, offer it to them for very, very lucrative terms.
the20year3: Then , the other consideraiton on my end is that we have some very large investors who want to see us work on developing these partnerships moreso than just dealing with slummy properties in central Ohio.
mike_c: seems like a lot of counterparty risk with those partnerships. but you obviously understand the biz more than I
the20year3: They certainly exist, but i think the reward potential is much higher than the risks. We've got solid properties here in Ohio, and are getting more, and i feel that if we could add higher profit potential to the mix it would benefit the fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00093301 = 14.4617 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00263568 = 0.3242 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0026 = 0.2002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00235044 = 1.8804 BTC [-] {20}
CheckDavid: Hi. I was wondering about the solutions that exist in the cryptocurrency space regarding funding startups
dexX7: hey, can you be more specific?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00093301 = 20.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288951 = 0.2187 BTC [-]
dexX7: the20year3: sorry for all those questions. in the case you do a second ipo round, i assume trading is also locked? and: from which pool are those ipo 2 shares taken? do you define a fixed number during the asset creation and sell a partion of those in round 1 and the rest in round 2 for example?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00230041 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: PiratePad: or1RSxpueo
kakobrekla: ping mircea_popescu , benkay , mike_c , everyoneelsethatiforgot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1963 @ 0.00221117 = 4.3405 BTC [-] {6}
dexX7: afaik there is no form available
the20year3: I think trading is locked dexX7, the shares are just taken from the original pool of shares that we had as part of the pseudo-PPM/Original business plan's funding goals.
dexX7: didn't you use the pad to send me the message "go find the submission form instead of asking"?
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously though. recommended reading is a book from the Duck Dynasty?
CheckDavid: dexX7: can got help me be more specific?
mike_c: good idea kako. maybe put a link on b-a.com?
kakobrekla: and anal rape is a video from some production house, so what
benkay: why not a !sr <link>, kakobrekla ?
dexX7: there are. mind to share your business plan?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00220557 = 4.4111 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: mike_c i will put the curated version of the piratepad on the static b-a page
dexX7: the20year3: thanks again ;)
kakobrekla: but its up to #bitcoin-assets to come up with the content
dexX7: good idea re pad with info stuff
CheckDavid: dexX7: a jobs board with a scheduled equity distribution plan for members
benkay: that's precisely what ninjashogun was prattling about.
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benkay: "Spoiler: It's not going to beat betsofbitco.in"
dexX7: well anyway. basically there are cryptostocks.com, havelockinvestments.com and mpex.co. if you want to scam, go to cs, if you want to reach the regular bitcointalk and reddit user, use havelock. mpex is most likely out of your reach.
CheckDavid: benkay: I am not trading. So I guess I don't need to be verified?
benkay: i guess you miss the point.
CheckDavid: Oh sorry benkay . could you please explain the point?
CheckDavid: dexX7: I heard crypto stocks was scamish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 217 @ 0.00213 = 0.4622 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]
dexX7: CheckDavid: the point benkay is trying to make: don't ask for money, if you have no reputation nor the willingness to be "verified"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.000932 = 27.4008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0020387 = 1.0194 BTC [-] {5}
dexX7: wasn't meant this way
dexX7: but "asking for money" is implied by "i want to start a business and therefore i ask about exchanges"
benkay: you're investigating listing a stock of some sort, right?
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: At some point the kind's of advice you seek might... Imply intentions about how you might use that advice...
benkay: there are all the scam hosters over there that don't require identity or anything, allowing companies like CaVirtEx to walk off with customer funds and Rentalstarter to arbitrarily halt trading so they can sell their inflated stock at some imaginary value.
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: humans ate always verifying intentions :)
benkay: on the other hand, there's the harder and tougher path to accredidation with people not engaged in fucking people as a matter of habit in -assets.
dexX7: benkay: do you think there shouldn't be a trading freeze during a funding round?
CheckDavid: You didn't mention when exchanges themselves run away
benkay: in what sane world does this make sense
benkay: either their paper is worth what the market will pay for it or its not
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Well these things are going to color people's reactions. Instead of getting reactively defensive note people's concerns and think about how you can correct things in the future when you want to actually do the thing you solicit advice for, if you make it too that stage.
benkay: if it were really worth .0075 the price would reflect that.
benkay: and previous shareholders should get to sell at .0075 as well.
CheckDavid: OK. Just messing. Well. Good advice BingoBoingo
CheckDavid: I an not trying to convince anyone of any business at the moment though
CheckDavid: I feel a bit far away from that point at the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.002 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: dexX7: does this make sense?
CheckDavid: Ok so dexX7. Your suggestion is basically to consider a number of exchanges right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00199999 = 0.114 BTC [-]
dexX7: benkay: what about the case that one puts up a buy wall lower than the ipo price and then undercuts the issuer? i guess that would be a reflection of "not enough buyer"?
benkay: supply and demand must agree on a price.
benkay: the havelock approach is to fix a price and wait for the suckers to come by.
dexX7: CheckDavid: well, no. i assumed your question was "where can i issue a stock?" and thus my answer, but maybe you should rephrase your initial question once again.
CheckDavid: dexX7: I am just looking for funding solutions in general. Being issuing and selling stock one of the potential solutions
benkay: they're compounding this fraud by suspending the hallowed process of price discovery to entice another round of suckers into their finger-trap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00190001 = 0.152 BTC [-]
benkay: at a hilariously higher price, i might point out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60333366 = 1.81 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: the following case is not possible: say everyone wants to sell, but i'm still willing to give the issuer my coins for whatever reason. non-freezed trading doesn't allow this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00190001 = 0.2166 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: add some more material to the reading list
benkay: that's an irrational move, dexX7. why not just buy the shares on the open market?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00229999 = 1.035 BTC [+] {2}
the20year3: The problem is the value most of the time is arbitrary, especially with bitcoin stocks as the bulk of the value is just speculation based on whatever positive/negative news is coming out about the company
dexX7: benkay: in this case my intention would not be to buy shares but to provide funds for the issuer
the20year3: In our case, with the decrease of BTC:USD, the BTC value of our company goes up, because the vast majority of our assets are denominated in USD, but the BTC price doesn't accurately reflect it because the trades for the most part just trend on news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2927 BTC [-]
benkay: dexX7: so send your money directly to the guy - who cares?
benkay: the point is that he's allowed to sell more shares in his company at above market prices when nobody else is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288951 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: i competely get your point and i agree, i'm just thinking about potential reasons
benkay: so throw your money directly to the guy like you did with Gox.
benkay: the20year3: this is the painful part of touching both rails at the same time.
benkay: nobody knows how to value anything in BTC alone, much less mixed-assets.
benkay: plus, your investors are a bunch of trend-traders.
the20year3: Depends on which investors you're talking about
the20year3: The guys that have given me near $100k? I don't see them trading around stock
benkay: xdotcomm_: are you familiar with MPEx?
benkay: k there's your answer.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.01600003 = 0.48 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: the20year3: either your investors are trading on news or they're not trading around
benkay: yup. everyone else uses phones.
the20year3: the stock price that is moving around is being moved by guys who own a few hundred shares and have half a btc in the exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00560944 / 0.00600000 (1644 shares, 9.22192017 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00550083 / 0.00600000 (3875 shares, 21.31571263 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556457 / 0.00900001 (48129 shares, 267.81696994 BTC)
mike_c: jurov uses bitcoin address signed messages for 2fa
the20year3: half of the share volume in the past week has been in the past 8 hours since our announcement, if you look at periods prior to that volume, there's almsot none
benkay: doesn't really excuse malfeasance.
CheckDavid: Could issuing coins be a good business funding solution?
the20year3: What am I doing that screws shareholders?
benkay: not allowing them to sell at the same price you are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-] {3}
the20year3: If enough of our shareholders complain about the choice, i'll change it, ask havelock to change it , or not do the 2nd round, but as of this time, the shareholders I've talked to are fine with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14613 @ 0.0009313 = 13.6091 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4956 @ 0.00180914 = 8.9661 BTC [-] {14}
cazalla: can anyone recommend a reputable site for sporting results that can be used for bitbet outcomes? I'm thinking FIFA.com isn't ideal atm as there as the site will likely change once the world cup starts
cazalla: maybe but it's not a win/loss prop, got knocked back first time because clearly need confirmed stats from some source
mike_c: i thought it was that they wouldn't win a game
mike_c: geez, how many futbol bets we got going here :)
cazalla: found a source on fifa.com, it should do
ozbot: FIFA World Cup Group B Tables & Results - 2014 - ESPN FC
mike_c: that looks pretty official to me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00093337 = 23.9876 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: tg2: fun. did you check you were not entropy starved for your performance stats?
tg2: that random num spam
tg2: provides enough entropy to get by
tg2: but its only as good as perl's rand generator I suppose
tg2: i should have chosen a random amount of random numbers to generate :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04799989 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [+]
pankkake: your script is using gpg to generate keys, not perl
tg2: it is using perl to generate entropy
tg2: well i guess i /could/ make it so you had to sit there mashing your keyboard all day :D
tg2: i'll accept that patch if you want :D
cazalla: mike_c: I don't know who made the Australian bet, any other aussies here that you know of?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6000 @ 0.00181047 = 10.8628 BTC [+] {6}
tg2: I will try it on my 48 core system
tg2: see how many 4096's i can do per second
mike_c: vague recollection that herbisjustleoids is there, but not sure
pankkake: I don't understand what that rand() is supposed to do
tg2: it generates 1000 rand numbers, which /should/ be polling /dev/urandom
tg2: which should be causing it to move seed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0018 = 1.8 BTC [-]
tg2: I'll welcome some patches, this was the first perl script i've worked on
Apocalyptic: tg2, you're just exhausting the entropy pool then
Apocalyptic: <tg2> which should be causing it to move seed // dafuq
tg2: none seemed to have an impact and gpg never complaind about lack of entropy
tg2: if you don't have "Not enough random bytes available. "
tg2: then you have sufficient entropy for gpg to operate
tg2: and at 5 keys/s, entropy generation is not the limitation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60133613 = 9.02 BTC [-] {6}
pankkake: your calls to rand() are either useless or harmful. gpg does its own thing
Apocalyptic: you're just depleting the entropy pool for no use
pankkake: don't know how rand() works, maybe it polls /dev/*random only once and then it's a PRNG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00199985 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: anyway, my question was about /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail - if it's low then fixing *that* will make higher quality gpg keys faster
tg2: don't intel chips use hardware source?
tg2: (not implying that is secure)
pankkake: and as a rule, don't touch crypto stuff you don't understand, you'll shoot yourself in the foot
tg2: newer xeons use it I think
pankkake: some do, yes, not sure if it's enabled by default
cazalla: mike_c: it's pretty much a given australia won't win a match heh
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pankkake: or if you need an userspace deamon
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.43, Best ask: 512.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 510.17, 24 hour volume: 37872.34545917, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 584.69, 24 hour vwap: 536.173526093
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009313 / 0.00094053 / 0.00095121 (1204898 shares, 1,133.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00082011 / 0.00093525 / 0.00096 (5510694 shares, 5,153.88 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086117 / 0.00096 (30557131 shares, 26,315.16 BTC)
tg2: > Found 292 keys so far, running for 10.0s (Rate:29.1/s)
punkman1: deadweasel: judging by the title, they barely read the paper
bounce: no wonder, since it is about the investor / state dispute settlement ("allow corps to squeeze backward governments") in yet another american trade agreement, this time with europe
tg2: using rngtools though
tg2: > /usr/sbin/rngd -r /dev/urandom
pankkake: well then, you *were* entropy starved
deadweasel: punkman1: i didn't read either, i just lol'ed at conjured currency.
tg2: this is on another system
tg2: the intel system seems fine without that crutch
deadweasel: oh man, i'm hungry, gonna make some entropy.
benkay: making some hash today
deadweasel: benkay, got half a grocery bag of trim here if you want to add it in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35363 @ 0.0009325 = 32.976 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i think i want all those discarded keys tg2's dropping on the floor
benkay: i'm talking about salmon hash, corned beef hash, crypto hash
tg2: 4096-bit on a 48 core system: Found 73 keys so far, running for 30.0s (Rate:2.4/s)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15231 @ 0.00093086 = 14.1779 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i want to put tg2's discarded keys into this hash i'm working on
tg2: i put them in your /dev/urandom
tg2: you can just retrieve them from there
tg2: brb moving my mouse around for hours
tg2: Found 317 keys so far, running for 110.1s (Rate:2.9/s)
benkay: that'd make some nice hash, tg2
tg2: but it does as well as an R9 280x on X11 coins
CheckDavid: What do you think about issuing a coin as a way of funding for a business?
benkay: ;;google trilema colored coins
benkay: women behind bars you say?
CheckDavid: benkay: is that related to what I said benkay ?
Duffer1: CheckDavid it would end in disaster
Duffer1: you could visit any alt coin exchange to see the inevitable, and guaranteed, fate of all alt coins that have come before
Mats_cd03: its kind of like issuing dave and busters tokens
Mats_cd03: except your business isnt nearly as cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00199983 = 0.5999 BTC [+] {7}
Duffer1: checkdavid that would be like a kickstarter project sending out toilet paper instead of gadgets or equity
CheckDavid: Duffer1: the coins should have some utility for the life of the business
CheckDavid: Duffer1: sorry of yes. Except it's digital toilet paper
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Duffer1: are you thinking of an alt coin or colored coin?
CheckDavid: Duffer1: not sure about the terms. But I assumed colored
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 440 @ 0.000861 = 0.3788 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
Duffer1: checkdavid ah sorry i assumed alt coin, i couldn't say if colored would work or not
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7da124b7be1a63529a28570b4f9af14cb7a3bc1114d6419b8788425f
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
CheckDavid: I would like to distribute equity among the members of my website
benkay: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 not likely to mess your day up
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00093381 = 10.5987 BTC [+]
benkay: it's all php, right up your ======== alley
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: right a gpg contract, pay out divs to a btc address provided by members. not hard :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 391 @ 0.00199998 = 0.782 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1: thestringpuller I believe he's looking for funding, like IPOing with colored coin
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: provided by members? What about when coins are transferred?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4777 @ 0.001806 = 8.6273 BTC [-] {9}
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: that was e initial idea
benkay: 1 gpg-signed email is all that'd take
CheckDavid: But then I was suggested not to give any equity
benkay: "please send divs previously associated with 1fuckmylife to 1fuckhislife"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05539999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the members can trade equity as they see fit amongst themselves...
benkay: the public offering is required to get the hype machine going so that the 'ipo' pulls in as many coins as possible
thestringpuller: not at all, you 1) want to pay out profits from your website to members
thestringpuller: to do 1) you do 2) get signed gpg contract from members with btc address
CheckDavid: I don't know the format of such a contract
CheckDavid: What about non members that acquire the coin?
CheckDavid: Members are one thing. Then the com can be exchanged off site
thestringpuller: so then non related person sends you the issuer a gpg signed email from both the original shareholder and themselves signifying an exchange
CheckDavid: I don't think one needs the original shareholder signature
CheckDavid: I just need to know who the current owner is
benkay: yes you do, CheckDavid otherwise arbitrary entities can transfer shares arbitrarily.
benkay: well, most recent owner right?
thestringpuller: hey better yet! have them sign the email with a btc address
benkay: no signing things with btc addresses
CheckDavid: Looks hard to push something like this into production
benkay: yeah you should do colored coins instead
Duffer1: is there a colored coin system even out yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00093042 = 19.6319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60000001 = 3 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: But it's far easier to trade OTC stuff...you know here...on IRC...over the counter...
thestringpuller: I didn't realize how dumb colored coins sounded until very recently...
thestringpuller: People will just end up using it to mark bitcoins during stings on drug deals or trace laundered money.
ozbot: Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.00084201 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: thing about shitcoin is that one doesn't get to select the coins received
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.006 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. I know several people pay dividends directly to bitcoins. If you're generating a profit and want to distribute it accordingly, you could do so even manually.
tg2: if it's not 75% premined
tg2: its better than half the coins
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: I know. But one had to account for the possibility of coins being exchanged
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00600518 = 0.1321 BTC [+] {2}
CheckDavid: That ads something else to worry about
benkay: CheckDavid: we've explained how to handle that.
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. /// uhh what?
CheckDavid: How could their value still be correlated with the business performance?
benkay: CheckDavid: that's the magic of owning shares in a business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2805 BTC [-]
benkay: a share represents a slice of a company.
benkay: if that company has value, the share has a slice of the value.
CheckDavid: Yes. But imagine the coins are not tied to equity.
jborkl: I didn't know JohnK did a runner with over 1000 coins?
benkay: why? magic. trust in the issuer.
CheckDavid: Could they still be traded accordingly to the business performance somehow?
CheckDavid: Maybe because they are accepted by the company to pay for the products it provides?
thestringpuller: dude you want to publicly trade the shares of something that has no valuation?
jborkl: or is that not accurate?
benkay: these crackers bengay.
ozbot: Roughly .02 Percent of Published Researchers Reject Global Warming
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05539999 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04709156 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {4}
TestingUnoDosTre: global warming is distinctly different from human caused global warming, yay or nay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.016 = 1.888 BTC [-]
benkay: pumping co2 into the atmo may change the atmo's composition, yea or nay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00093343 = 24.6426 BTC [+] {3}
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: what do you mean by ' I want'?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00093023 = 7.0753 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: I remember hearing, as a child, that the atmosphere contained more oxygen when the dinosaurs were around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5794 @ 0.00092844 = 5.3794 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: can reformulate the question?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07101193 = 0.8521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18103 @ 0.00093446 = 16.9165 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00207115 = 0.2071 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0545996 = 0.546 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00208029 = 0.1456 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [-] {4}
toffoo: last wednesday, first late div in 1 year+ from AM
toffoo: this wednesday, first no div week in 1 year+
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 514 @ 0.00226827 = 1.1659 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00229999 = 0.2254 BTC [+] {2}
toffoo: well, mining on gen1 hardware appears to be over
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1547 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7941% in 9d 16h 31m 0s
tg2: toffoo - what process size?
benkay: asicminer taped their own out, right?
tg2: 65nm bfl chips were ~80MH/w
benkay: <-- does not follow mining
tg2: 20nm KNC asics are now 2000MH/w
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00204841 = 1.0242 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 684 @ 0.00201072 = 1.3753 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 890 @ 0.0020111 = 1.7899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0553999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.10144642 = 0.6087 BTC [-]
dexX7: only a prediction/guess
ozbot: Return of the Vacuum Tube | Science/AAAS | News
jurov: 150nm and 450GHz speed estimate
jurov: i realized larger version might fullfill asciilifeform's dream to make crypto-capable microelectronics at home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12316 @ 0.0009362 = 11.5302 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.01, Best ask: 491.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 491.87, 24 hour volume: 41831.24132524, 24 hour low: 490.02, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2038 @ 0.00200963 = 4.0956 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2001 @ 0.00190144 = 3.8048 BTC [-] {6}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.02, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 42532.89415815, 24 hour low: 480.03, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 486.75, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 43156.47085889, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 531.343020849
Jackmani_: it's so well synchronized between exchanges!
jurov: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 480.0, vol: 43253.07140383 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 494.521, vol: 16659.20368 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 32456.54064922 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 169.04793296 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 482.387854, vol: 13158.04100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 518.00539, vol: 34.63656625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 522.082, vol: 257.79703084 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1290 @ 0.00186335 = 2.4037 BTC [-] {12}
jurov: when gribble says (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0009362 = 3.4171 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 902 @ 0.00161463 = 1.4564 BTC [-] {7}
CheckDavid: If a company has no investors Or stock holders nagging for profits, does it have any incentive to declare profits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05360385 = 0.4288 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1: checkdavid ask your local regulators :P
CheckDavid: Duffer1: what do you know about it in general?
Duffer1: not enough to give advice beyond my own personal experiences
TestingUnoDosTre: My company is privately owned, and it declares profits to employees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05234836 = 1.5705 BTC [-] {17}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.0, Best ask: 498.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 500.0, 24 hour volume: 44397.25189776, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 582.06, 24 hour vwap: 530.155015668
dexX7: bitcoin is dead.. again?
TestingUnoDosTre: they meet like every two months and are like, "hey guys, we grossed XX millions of dollars, but were expecting YY millions"
CheckDavid: That's because there is a profit sharing plan right?
jurov: there's a dilberts comics that explains it clearly
Duffer1: could also just be for moral or team building hr bullshit
TestingUnoDosTre: They give bonuses that are related to the profits, if that's what you call a "profit sharing" plan
Duffer1: we're all building this together kinda nonsense
CheckDavid: But is that considered a cost to the company or is it real taxable profits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1110 @ 0.00155 = 1.7205 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: but it's only a function of company performance and personal salary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.0009362 = 8.9257 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: Because then the company declares those 'profits' as costs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0017006 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {6}
CheckDavid: But those profits are not taxed as normal profits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00193713 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: TestingUnoDosTre: don't worry. if you won, you won.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.590001 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58842001 = 2.3537 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00199999 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00584193 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3300 @ 0.00008482 = 0.2799 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.005741 = 0.31 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.002 = 0.126 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00214124 = 0.2569 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00092844 = 1.1141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00093393 = 11.0615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 304 @ 0.00218017 = 0.6628 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58822668 = 1.7647 BTC [-]
moiety: jesus bitcoin e's now? nice encouragement of dogepills too - "Wow. So drugs. Very fucked." wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 398 @ 0.00219167 = 0.8723 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]