nubbins`: sweet
nubbins`: backups, important
mircea_popescu: good idea.
mats_cd03: are there still posters available my good man
danielpbarron high-fives mats_cd03
nubbins`: almost as important as knowing how to recover from said backups :D
nubbins`: mats_cd03, the last one was sold a few days ago :/
mircea_popescu: backups differ from copies in exactly that manner.
mircea_popescu: "My critics will often take a binary stance in their arguments with this idea citing that “they could never be with more than one woman at a time out of respect for her” or “so I should just lie to her and see other girls on the side?” To which I’d argue that these are feminized social conventions that attempt to thwart a man’s options in order to establish women as the prime selectors in intersexual relati
mircea_popescu: ons. If it can be conditioned into a boy/man to ‘feel bad’ about seeing more than one woman at a time, it only better serves the female-as-chooser dynamic."
mircea_popescu: holy shit these meninists dudes are completely fucking retarded.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: one guy bought like 10, you could try asking him
mircea_popescu: all this derpage about how they want to "escape a female view of life and everything" yet they think of it through purely monogamous, "rel;ationshipy" eyes.
mircea_popescu: not a single one of them so far happened on the idea that you know what ? women must PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
mircea_popescu: that the male idea of life is a harem not a fucking "ltr"
mats_cd03: who dat?
mircea_popescu: ltr means a long term relationship with a number of women who fuck together.
mircea_popescu: not fucking romantic comedy setups
mats_cd03: as an aside, the tools ddrescue and scalpel are pretty cool.
nubbins`: his username on the forums is TECSHARE
mircea_popescu: ;;seen tecshare
gribble: I have not seen tecshare.
mircea_popescu: i coulda sworn
mats_cd03: i have to sign up on the forums? i guess ill wait for batch 2
BingoBoingo: ;;seen techshare
gribble: I have not seen techshare.
nubbins`: ah, let me see here
nubbins`: punkman and thenewdeal both ordered two, i think
nubbins`: maybe kako too
mircea_popescu: omg customer confidentiality
nubbins`: it's in the logs!
mircea_popescu: zomg*
BingoBoingo: lol, this shit is still ALL online http://heavensgate.com/book/05.htm
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nubbins`: mats_cd03 i guess i could sell you my copy (artist's proof)
nubbins`: i dunno tho ;(
mircea_popescu: lol 2ndary poster market.
mircea_popescu: only in b-a
nubbins`: inorite?
BingoBoingo: Now nubbins` just has to make counterfeit posters
nubbins`: twist: everyone got poster number 17/100
BingoBoingo: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-liable-20140917-story.html
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BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: lmao disqus now sells advertising
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How else were they going to defend the pretense the commenter's traffic habits weren't their actual product?
mircea_popescu: http://nhc.noaa.gov/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but i mean the idiocy of people. "let's give away value to this company, so it can make money off of us for free!11"
mircea_popescu: this america is so fucking opposite of the classical america...
BingoBoingo: Very
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown http://nhc.noaa.gov/
gribble: http://nhc.noaa.gov/ is down
BingoBoingo: I dunno that I can really elaborate much beyond that single word in response.
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck is wrong with the world's most bankrupt government already. can't even keep HURRICANE WATCH website online ?
mircea_popescu: fucking thirld word banana republic.
BingoBoingo: Well I mean I've driven through a strike nearly every day this past week.
mircea_popescu: what so the datacenter is striking ?
BingoBoingo: Americans don't even know how to strike anymoar.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, teachers.
BingoBoingo: After 4 years of pay freezes someone did the math and real estate going down 20% while everything else goes up 23% actually means they make less than they did when I was a wee lad.
BingoBoingo: But this is a bezzel, neither side is innocent.
mircea_popescu: what did the romanian doctor tell the diabethic who told his doctor his wife got candida and asked what to do ?
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nystatin?
mircea_popescu: "faceti bezele"
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: ie, make merengue
mircea_popescu waits for that one to sink in
mircea_popescu then waits for the puking to be over
BingoBoingo: I really need to work on speaking Latin languages. Managed to make it through lunch today without speaking a word of English.
mircea_popescu: portuguese ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mexican Spanish
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu then waits for the puking to be over << I've ate American Chocolate
nubbins`: but have you eaten romanian meringue?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Not many opportunities for that in the Middle West.
mircea_popescu: well... someone made a marzipan replica of my cock once
mircea_popescu: closest i got.
BingoBoingo: Totally hippo-cracy. https://twitter.com/ScottWuerz/status/512332640976781312 Papelbon was suspended 7 games for grabbing his junk
assbot: Joe West suspended one game for grabbing and shoving Jonathan Pappelbon. Not enough to reign in one of mlb's most arrogant umps.
BingoBoingo: ;;google joe west umpire fat
gribble: Better Know An Umpire: Joe West - Deadspin: <http://deadspin.com/5921160/better-know-an-umpire-joe-west>; The Secret Lives of 8 Baseball Umpires | Mental Floss: <http://mentalfloss.com/article/25121/secret-lives-8-baseball-umpires>; Major league baseball is looking into jonathan papelbon's crotch-grab: <http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/15/major-league-baseball-is-looking- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: "Except that yesterday Joe West, who in 2010 was ranked the 2nd worst umpire in the league, decided to expand the role of instant replay in baseball all by himself. Joe West opened the door for instant replay further than it's ever been opened. Joe West opened the door for our children to cry out that things are unfair, stomp their feet and call out for an instant replay. Sadly, he won't be there when a cute girl decides to go out
BingoBoingo: when someone else, or when you don't get the job you were more qualified for, or when you get blamed for something your brother did, or when someone butts ahead of you in line. And sadly, because Joe West chose to single-handedly change the game that taught us how to deal with a world that can sometimes be unfair, we may not have the character to deal with those situations."
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: so I'm listening on an IRC chan related to datacenter management software:
kdomanski: "my slaves don't seem to be able to determine who their master is. i confirmed they can talk to zookeeper just fine."
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o5Ky47rP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rmeieedv6bwpng.jpg
mircea_popescu: kdomanski lmao now that sounds like a problem.
kdomanski: the guy's getting technical support :D
mircea_popescu: anythig involving ties and chaining ?
kdomanski: do you have like a helpdesk for the harem?
mircea_popescu: well, there's the "help yourself" desk and the separate "helping girls memory" desk.
BingoBoingo: Why did I have no Joe West pictures here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/10/a-place-i-was-pictures/ Dude was at the fucking game and we made fun of his FUPA the whole time.
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kdomanski: oh, the man issued a wrong command to his slaves
nubbins`: oh
nubbins`: that is incorrect behaviour for a master
nubbins`: perhaps the man will learn
BingoBoingo: I thought the correct default setting in case of a misunderstanding was always "build pyramid" so that in the worst case they can be located.
kdomanski: no chains though
BingoBoingo: You beat them so they don't need chains of a physical kind
mircea_popescu: lol build pyramid
nubbins`: there they are &c
BingoBoingo: It's like a beacon, but with a longer lifespan
kdomanski: WTF did you just do, giving mircea_popescu ideas
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo beating's a sport not a political tool.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I agree. This is why I despise the NFL for its current war on RunningBacks. Still, I'd bet your two best against Rice-Petersen in a monument building contest.
BingoBoingo: Pyramids have to be politically neutral by now right?
mircea_popescu: this idiotic "i can be everything including a sex therapist" dude is giving advice to virgins, which includes... cialis.
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck not right, 18 year olds are such a splendid market for erection drugs.
BingoBoingo: Keeps them occupied longer
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking wrong...
mircea_popescu: why not lipitor while at it.
mircea_popescu: "take some, see what it does for you"
BingoBoingo: Well two very different questions. the erection drugs work simply and when they are gone, there aren't many downstream effects.
mircea_popescu: orly.
BingoBoingo: Lipitor though affects pretty much everything in the Master gland
BingoBoingo: The way Lipitor fucks with cholesterol it fuck with every derivative of cholesterol including all of the fun sex hormones.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics
BingoBoingo: The erection drugs just trigger targeted vasodialation for roughly 30 seconds beyond the time they are metabolized to nothing.
mircea_popescu: to name just some random ill effect.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics << What skaing accident could possibly call for nitrates?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, anything that convincingly enough mimics angina ?
mircea_popescu: like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura
BingoBoingo: Well, anything with bleeding would be a contrindication, which is what I think when I think skating accident...
mircea_popescu: derp boinks into something, has chest pains and shortness of breath, plsu irregular pulse
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura << On the boner drugs that ought to be properly diagnosed as pneunothorax
BingoBoingo: A number of different kinds of irregular pulse exist.
mircea_popescu: the glyceril trinitrate is coming out "just to be sure"
mircea_popescu: overmedicated civilisation if there ever was one
BingoBoingo: Or epinephrine. Depending on the kind.
mircea_popescu: yeah but we're not talking of the ones that survive here :p
BingoBoingo: Hey, Hunter S Thompson had to finish MKULTRA's work himself...
mircea_popescu: and regardless this you know, possible avenue. it's just a dumb fucking idea
mircea_popescu: what virgin teenager has legitimate erection problems for crying out loud.
BingoBoingo: Ah, If you are talking American, the word legitmate has been ejected long ago.
BingoBoingo: There may be teenagers with erection problems though in the sense that they can't get off with a girl, because they are too conditioned to the habits of their own hand.
mircea_popescu: and how about you know, a bit of priapism for that matter.
mircea_popescu: inept dosage results in damagingly enduring erections even in old men.
BingoBoingo: Priaprism has an easy, mechanical solution... in that it deflates
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mircea_popescu: not to menton you know, making it too hard which is actually numbing
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, not to mention formatting one's idea of one's own sexual experience in a weird contrived manner.
BingoBoingo: Well, diabetics have a learning curve. THESE ARE SRS X-PERTS.
BingoBoingo: The actual danger though is making erect cock insufficiently scarce.
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nubbins`: !b 1
mircea_popescu: not even sure that;s such a bad thing. let women live a little.
BingoBoingo: But the Tim Swanson of Erection Science LTD will never admit this.
BingoBoingo: I wonder when the last time inept Buenos Aires mugger dude had a solid boner was. Probably been a while.
mircea_popescu: i suppose given that south america decided boob jobs are apt gifts for 15 yo girls on their confirmation thingee, i shouldn't be too excited
nubbins`: lel
BingoBoingo: Those sunken cheeks, the way he seemed so ashamed to raise his firearm...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` here i saw the first underage female with impants.
nubbins`: i know a mexican girl who narrowly decided not to have plastic surgery at 16
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure most of this Immigrants from down under scare in the US is more wife driven than blue collar man driven.
mircea_popescu: how's that wokr ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The whale like Anglos dun want the Hispanic women to steal their allowances.
mircea_popescu: interesting.
BingoBoingo: Think about the augmented Cali girl vs. Midwestern girl vs. Brazilian...
BingoBoingo: ;;google Mark Sanford Appalacian Trail
gribble: Mark Sanford disappearance and extramarital affair - Wikipedia, the ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford_disappearance_and_extramarital_affair>; Mark Sanford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford>; Back On The Appalachian Trail: Mark Sanford Breaks Up With ...: <http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/12/appalachian-trail-mark- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: I think the actual scare is the literal "Lillian Rearden" scenario
mircea_popescu: well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/artificial-sweeteners-linked-to-obesity-epidemic-scientists-say-1.2769196
assbot: Artificial sweeteners linked to obesity epidemic, scientists say - Health - CBC News
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512412256953307136
assbot: /hashtag/CIASeal?src=hash http://t.co/HIwLiBGPs1
mircea_popescu: honestly thinking about it, the insanity of the crime levels in the us (both private and state-run) are what prevent more immigration.
mircea_popescu: not the ministration of blue collar anything, or any other electorate
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager. << Probably also helps that Romanian is Perl, and... your ancestors are not vowel shift victims
mircea_popescu: just, your average sa guy that feels insecure in ba could simply not live in the us. at all. like you can't live in berlin cca 1948.
mircea_popescu: that's why it's mostly mexicans , not the proximity, but the only country with similar crime levels.
BingoBoingo: Actually anymore it isn't really much Mexicans
BingoBoingo: Central Americans in the too small to assert themselves states
mircea_popescu: ;;google spanish speakers in the us by country of origin
gribble: Hispanic Origin Profiles, 2010 - Pew Hispanic Center: <http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/06/27/country-of-origin-profiles/>; Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans>; Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic>
mircea_popescu: 65% mexicans dawg, what you on about
BingoBoingo: Totals are lagging indicators though.
mircea_popescu: yeah well here's an idea : costa rica is like 2 mn total.
mircea_popescu: for it to matter in there it needs to find two dozen more central american countries
BingoBoingo: Well, I'm immediately more concerned about "minimalist travel the other direction.
mircea_popescu: yeah, did you end up in jail or what was recently ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet.
BingoBoingo: Lawyer has yet to follow up on me about what the next hearing of whatever is.
BingoBoingo: Still pushing for some sort of University job here for long enough to get an escape plug of cash at least
BingoBoingo: This is disconcerting given how optimistic the lawyer's last conversation was.
BingoBoingo: In the worst case though if this thing goes to trial... I can probably take at least two or three law licenses down with me.
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BingoBoingo: And thanks to local county mountie politics they'd all be in the prosecutor's office so no need for guilt about it.
BingoBoingo: As far as the seperate federal question goes, I'm just an expensive dead end.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512417969775730689
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kakobrekla: fyi blockr code has nothing to do with toshi except its partially made by same people
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Oh, I thought Maybe toshi was just blockr stripped of the interface
kakobrekla: nope
kakobrekla: also blockr needs bitcoind to run, toshi does not
BingoBoingo: Ah
kakobrekla: in retrospect its a good thing.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is an improvement. Coinbase developing only Coinbase API to Coinbase hiring capable people to make useful things that may fuck them in the end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what exactly is keeping you in usa ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point... it seems to be a kind of morbid fascination of whether I first find library employment or three hots and a cot courtesy of the bezzel
BingoBoingo: Also a kind of curiosity. If the US let me know it wants to keep me here, can I leave anyways.
mircea_popescu: nuts dude.
asciilifeform: i can understand actually being stuck. this - no.
BingoBoingo: Also.. need a bit more time to practice the Spanish. And then there's the almost sick hope I might win the misdemeanor case nao.
asciilifeform: so say you win. then - ?. i, for instance, am not embroiled in any suits. wanna end up like me ?
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BingoBoingo: Or maybe it is some sick programming override that was snuck up my butt at scout camp.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your sitution wouldn't be a worst outcome.
asciilifeform is not entirely awake but will attempt explain
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point is, 'even when you win rat race - still a rat.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPz somehow the FBI manages to store me for a decade because I have no silk road info and at the same time keep my priv keys safe? The chance at being a possum instead of a rat?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why - airplane, suitcase.
BingoBoingo: ATM plan roughly looks like car, run out of gas, walk, border, airplane, suitcase
BingoBoingo: Mostly because I am not paying a motherfucking fee to the TSA
BingoBoingo: If I have to pay a TSA fee to fucking look at a USian aeroplane, I am fucking going to a mexican aeroporte
BingoBoingo: Not Canadian because winter is coming, I'd like to live long enough to have not eaten poutine.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://xkcd.com/180
assbot: xkcd: Canada
TheNewDeal: hahahha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly that. Canadian citizenship is work. Argentine is staying out of their jails.
BingoBoingo: And no Argentine politicians have picked a rap beef with me yet.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember why most people in usa - stuck. nothing to do with paperwork. just the banal fact that - no way to eat.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I get to the river that (is finally wet nao foiling my plans) I have ~ 2 days of food beyond that.
asciilifeform: then ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, what are rattlesnakes and Gila monsters made of?
asciilifeform: eat those for remaining days?
asciilifeform: can do that in usa.
BingoBoingo: Not this far North.
BingoBoingo: We have less fun critters of last resort in the outside pantry
BingoBoingo: In the worst case though the plan is to go pack and forth across the border with $40k stuffed up my ass each time
Namworld: What did you do? Need to get out of US, eh?
asciilifeform: Namworld: no need to have 'done'
asciilifeform: !s crime of american
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BingoBoingo: Namworld: I got interviewed by the FBI man, and Allegedly I spoke on issues of local politics in the neighboring counties
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the problem where I still dun have passporte
BingoBoingo: My fucking alabaster drive-thru lawyer has to be in practice probably the biggest nigger I have had the misfortune of trusting in my life.
danielpbarron doesn't have a passport either
danielpbarron: which reminds me of a conversation I had a while back, in which I speculated that someone who is sufficiently wealthy does not need a passport
Namworld: Oh, yeah... I see trilema article. I know of that law comics.
BingoBoingo: With respect to the issue of local corruption though... I might be up to doing a month in jail if it means I get 3-4 lawyers in the prosecutors office sanctioned. The Federal stuff though would make me walk.
BingoBoingo: The part where federal DA's routinely threaten people with 30 years in prison just to see if they can say anything interesting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you have what it takes to earn a living in the free world - don't wait for torquemada.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEOV0O7k9YU << obligatory
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you don';t actually care about time it's likely cheaper to drive to mexico anyway
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can do that in usa. << not legally.
BingoBoingo: Well, last I priced the esacpe it was ~300 dollars to the border and ~$2000 to hardware BA. Not counting the part where I leave the car in Laredo it die.
mircea_popescu: you cna prolly just sell it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That would require Title paperwork and all that. best to just leave the keys in with a sweater I bled all over half a mile from the bridge.
mircea_popescu: no it wouldn't lol.
mircea_popescu: sell it to a chop shop or w/e
BingoBoingo: An option maybe. I also headed to Argentina fear bringing in insufficient dollars to blue up.
mircea_popescu: you look burly enough, you can prolly get a job as an arbolito.
BingoBoingo: I'm all beard though an little muscle.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side though, little fat.
BingoBoingo: I guess I can bee a tree though.
mircea_popescu: arbolito = dudes hanging around florida trading dollars for pesos
BingoBoingo: Ah
cazalla: BingoBoingo, beards went from cool to terrifying here today
mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/191/
assbot: xkcd: Lojban
BingoBoingo: Like the dream version of the mov kind of involves everything I carry into harware #b-a being paper
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget I'm the sort of person at least one local politican wants to equate with Isis even though I am not the least bit fond of Sand Niggers.
BingoBoingo: I just wonder what the safe way to do BTC-Dollars-Pesos is when Pesos rise to 7 per dollar
cazalla: gov only just raised the terror alert to high here last week, i'm guessing this is in response to that, they arrested 15, i bet they let all but a few go once their show is said and done
mircea_popescu: cazalla 15 whats ?
cazalla: bearded terrorists
BingoBoingo: 'Murca never lets go.
BingoBoingo: In Murica you don't even need a beard to be a Turrorist. Heard it on KMOX.
cazalla: apparently heads were gonna roll in the streets of australia
cazalla: (let me grab my camera)
BingoBoingo: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/ferguson-mob-threatens-stl-county-leaders-if-darren-wilson-get-off-yall-better-bring-every-army-yall-got-cause-its-going-down/ << Bezzel\
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mircea_popescu: i read that as "the gay pundit"
mircea_popescu: and i thought wtf, pundits are supposed to be all angry and glum, not gay
BingoBoingo: No they are all of the above, angry, gay, and glum
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cazalla: poor kids in ferguson, just like the ones in this video, din do nuffins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfg52m0-4o
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Too young o engage in political speech
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: gee whiz look at that. just like south africa over there.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of young how are you devthedev
cazalla: BingoBoingo, the adults step in at the end to raise money for charities that fight racism
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No, people count in the insurection from the age of 16 to 36
devthedev: Good, how are you BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: If you need Cialis you are too old. If Cialis kills you by priaprism you are too young
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Not bad
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Just kinda paranoid as fuck
devthedev: Cialis is not for daily use
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Sure, approved for every other day though.
devthedev: I hope I never have ED.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Don't we all
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mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind. licking ain't so bad.
BingoBoingo: Only cause that cunt juice is psychotropic
mircea_popescu: no no i mean licking me
BingoBoingo: AH
TheNewDeal: bb did you have any other encounters after the first interview with the 2 derps?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Not yet
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But the paranoia I'm feeling is "special"
TheNewDeal: I think many would feel the same in your position
devthedev: Yeah, I can't even imagine.
mircea_popescu: eh dawg stop stroking it. nothing happened.
TheNewDeal: is it possible to get a passport though?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Fucking county mounties on their high horse about last year's alleged misdemeanor
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on it.
BingoBoingo would just like to be employed in the US long enough to own a taxi somewhere else.
devthedev: Just move to Scotland, they'll be broken off from Britain soon enough.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: I'm not that good at swimming
devthedev: Would you like to borrow my boat?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Is it blue water capable?
devthedev: Yep
devthedev: You'd have to pick it up in FL though.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: In that case Buenos Aires still seems a hell of a lot safer, but... Florida would offer me more places to stock up on Rum as opposed to taking the overland route.
BingoBoingo: I've seen Titanic. I know Scotland is surrounded by banshees.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Also what sort of powerplant does your boat have?
TheNewDeal: nucular
devthedev: ^^
devthedev: You'd probably be better off with my Kayak then my wooden boat.
nubbins`: nucular!
BingoBoingo: devthedev: I smoke cigarettes though and get winded easily.
devthedev: Hm.
TheNewDeal: cannabis was my gateway drug to tobacco... if only they would have taught me in elementary school
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You know you can voice yourself...
devthedev: Yeah, I'm not authed right now though.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: Thank you sir
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I dunno why... Nothing about Cannibais touches tobacco's awesomeness
TheNewDeal: I hung around people that mixed the two, started doing it myself, continued smoking as a habbit
devthedev: Something about inhaling hot smoke doesn't seem pleasant to me.
TheNewDeal: Temperature doesn't bother, but the lung capacity gets to you.
BingoBoingo: It's actually very comforting to the lungs from tobacco decline to comment on the lesser smoke
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I played a variant of the Tuba so maybe I have too much lung
TheNewDeal: I do some breathing exercises myself, but the effect from smoking is still noticeable. Along with decreased saliva production / transport through the esophagus
TheNewDeal: Can someone explain this bet to me? Why not wait 7ish days Bet placed: 2.89738396 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 80,754.
assbot: BitBet - 20% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 5.39 B (51%) on Yes, 5.09 B (49%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 80`729 (100`000 to 1`000)
mike_c: perhpas the bettor is not considering this period only.
BingoBoingo: Prolly
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321271 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1288 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35103070731.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.67813
devthedev: Have a good evening everyone
mike_c: last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence?
TheNewDeal: was wondering that as well
TheNewDeal: lots of bets I had made that lied inactive for a long time were bet on after that was released
mike_c: well i am rooting for bitbet. tired of building tools that are obsolete a few months after i ship them.
TheNewDeal: would love to see them develop a separate set of betting system for price bets and difficulty
mike_c: what would you change?
TheNewDeal: the weight
mike_c: you can make bets with different weight. i used to make sports bets that ended at 90,000
TheNewDeal: well if you look at the bet I just pasted, the diff 20% increase one
TheNewDeal: it would be nice if the weight dropped to near zero almost every 2016 blocks
TheNewDeal: In the event that this bet turns out yes early, it will get murdered by yes
TheNewDeal: because 2000 blocks into each change, it's very easy to answer the question "will the current change be 20% or less?"
mike_c: take a look here: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/877/
assbot: Bet 877 Analysis - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 - Btc Alpha
mike_c: note that higher weight had significantly higher ROI
BingoBoingo: I mean this diff thing is hitting Moore's law. Future 20% diffs require... big foundries...
TheNewDeal: theres no timestamps displayed?
mike_c: there's weight :)
mike_c: i could put timestamps, seemed redundant.
TheNewDeal: but how many days difference was there between say weight 99994 and weight 56297
TheNewDeal: it's important
mike_c: about 5 weeks
TheNewDeal: especially when one considers their return/day or return annualized
mike_c: well, if you are focused on return/day you should only bet on things that are going to close early.
TheNewDeal: well, risk has a part to play in it
TheNewDeal: for instance, I once bet on a "price will drop below 400 before X"
TheNewDeal: price dropped to exactly 400
TheNewDeal: no lower
mike_c: it's a tough way to make an easy living
TheNewDeal: but with difficulty you get much more data to look at
TheNewDeal: if I wait 2010 blocks into a 2016 block change, my certainty becomes much much greater
TheNewDeal: the risk becomes almost nada
mike_c: so.. do that?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: green hills os << I've seen this before. I'm somewhat dubious about the proposition "we r ultrasecure but we use von neumann cpuuuu!"
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence? << :)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal in principle one could propose and seed bets for each retarget
TheNewDeal: I've done the short term targets, and they're both risky and fun
TheNewDeal: but it becomes very difficult to pick a day in which to end the weighting at
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually about 20ish btc a day is the secular average for bitbet. 50 or so over 3 days is about avg neh ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you can specify them by block height and have a reasonable but outside resolve date
TheNewDeal: I'm not saying it's impossible, but specifying the date is about as difficult as weighting the probabilty of the event occuring in the first place
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby.
assbot: Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube
dub: can you nix any bets that refer to a season as being related to a time of teh year
TheNewDeal: huh?
nubbins`: like the bet resolves as yes if the first day of spring falls on x?
nubbins`: ;p
dub: its a uniquely american retardation 'its summer here and I have no concept of anything outside my neighbourhood
mircea_popescu: uh
TheNewDeal: all you have to do is look at resolution / closing date
TheNewDeal: I don't care what 3rd quarter for S&P500 is either. All I care about is bet closing and even resolution date (not necessarily when bitbet resolves it)
dub: you went one better and gave context, '3rd quarter' is equally meaningless
mircea_popescu: 3rd quarter is jul-aug-sept
TheNewDeal: it has meaning
dub: no it isnt
dub: its the 3rd quater of a financial year
TheNewDeal: https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/market-and-economic-insights/quarterly-market-update
assbot: Market update: Third quarter 2014 - Fidelity Investments
TheNewDeal: the term is used extensively
TheNewDeal: financial year differs from company to company, in my opinion
dub: yeah well US companies largely use teh calendar year
TheNewDeal: some companies financial year revolves around tax date in us
mircea_popescu waits for the "and july isn't really 31 days plus today should really be sept 3rd" discussion
TheNewDeal: :D
dub: we can quibble over leap secodns
dub: seconds*
mircea_popescu: or the gregorian change, or the julian change. etc.
TheNewDeal: mike_c in reference to different weighting mechanisms. How about a price bet that is weighted by both bitstamp price and time
mike_c: mircea_popescu: median since July 1 is 6 btc
TheNewDeal: whats sigma
mircea_popescu: mike_c a day ?
mike_c: avg is 14.5
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: but 3 days, so as to have equal basis.
TheNewDeal: how far is 50 above the expected 43.5 :)
mircea_popescu: 442 in august, 543 july, 251 june, 449 may, 217 april, 1659 march etc
mircea_popescu: it does have some heavy variation, but anyway, 50ish for 3 days seems more or less a good estimate
mike_c: 2 day = median 18.7, avg 28.15
mike_c: 3 day = median 26.6, avg 41.7
mircea_popescu: aha
mike_c: so last two days 37 btc ain't bad, i'm still insinuating a causation ;)
TheNewDeal: how much should I zeroconf if I want to remake this bet a month from now ? http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas :: 1.1 B (20%) on Yes, 4.46 B (80%) on No | closing in 3 months 2 days | weight: 97`758 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: mike_c i'm not saying it's bad hehe.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal try and see, this is like a totally real virtual reality.
mike_c: i have to point it out quick before the data turns against me.
TheNewDeal: I just don't like the lag periods
mircea_popescu: what are lag periods ?
TheNewDeal: I propose
TheNewDeal: 4 days later ... rejection
mircea_popescu: you must be specially unlucky.
mike_c: dub: actually for some stupid reason many US companies use July 1 as start of fiscal year
dub: mike_c: I know
mike_c: well then i'll shut up
mircea_popescu: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/
assbot: Creepy expat “dates” 18-year-olds “because they make excellent devoted sex slaves.” | we hunted the mammoth
dub: I can incorporate a company with any fiscal year I like
mircea_popescu: amazingly, he's not talking about me.
TheNewDeal: yes you can dub
dub: mike_c: its probably (as TheNewDeal said) lining up with the tax year? It does in some places by convention
mike_c: but tax year is calendar..
dub: whats mp's birthay? all future dubcorp entities shall be calendared thus
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/six-great-things-an-independent-scotland-could-do/ << lol scotland. maybe an independent scotland would give everyone a pony too
assbot: Six Great Things an Independent Scotland Could Do « Isegoria
TheNewDeal: mike_c that works for individuals
TheNewDeal: but not companies
TheNewDeal: a company declares their tax year
mike_c: uh
dub: mike_c: oh, it is? not everywhere (i get a choice)
mike_c: interesting. thankfully i don't do my company's books.
mircea_popescu: dub i dun think this morsel actually ever ended up in public.
mircea_popescu: mike_c tax year is actually april the nth or some bs in the us.
mike_c: that's pay date.
TheNewDeal: mike_c is correct
dub: think this illustrates my point nicely though
TheNewDeal: For instance, the taxes I pay on January 1 2014 - December 3x 2014 will be due on April 2x 2015
TheNewDeal: 2x = 15
decimation: the usg fiscal year begins oct. 1
decimation: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/091614-717643-johnson-war-on-poverty-still-hasnt-been-won.htm << us has spent 22 trillion bezzlars trying to 'end poverty', has failed.
assbot: Washington Has Wasted $22 Trillion In War On Poverty It Can't Win - Investors.com
mircea_popescu: it's not really wasted if it's not really money.
mircea_popescu: what do i win ?
dub: sounds like an easy war to win? poor people can't be very well armed
mircea_popescu: dub in the us ? they got more guns than cars yo
TheNewDeal: kinda like this exsplat guy http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/
assbot: Pre-rational developmentally impaired testosterone challenged haters are narcissists « Random Xpat Rantings
mircea_popescu: i left a comment on the blog he's arguing with. kinda curious if it gets published.
TheNewDeal: he's got the usian culture pegged down quite well "This is because truth seeking through argument is not considered the point. The point is consensus, so if everybody mutually eye rolls, then the job is done. If you do not automatically join in the eye rolling, then everything you say MUST be wrong."
mircea_popescu: well the problem may also be that there's like 2 of him and 200 of those other guys.
mircea_popescu: and his 2 aren't either rich or murderous.
TheNewDeal: regardless, it's quite funny to see people jump from dating/fucking full grown women to pedophilia
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem, she could just as well be 16 or w/e
mircea_popescu: pedophilia isn't being attracted to young women, they have to be children.
TheNewDeal: by 16 the woman is virtually sexually mature
TheNewDeal: I would consider an attraction to a 13 year quasi pedophilia if she was not developed
mircea_popescu: thankfully i dun have the job to make the sort of unpleasant call
mircea_popescu: i can just conveniently cherrypick and laugh at the people working in the muck of it
mircea_popescu: so apparently scottish women are 58% for uk, 42% for independence, and the gap is widening
mircea_popescu: much to a buncha people's chagrin
mircea_popescu: "Women voting. A free and independent society. Choose one. The choice between the two is rarely so obvious as this, though." an' stuff.
TheNewDeal: widening meaning that more are going for uk?
BingoBoingo: Shame we can't ask moiety about the local perspective
TheNewDeal: ;;pouradrinkfor moiety
gribble: Error: "pouradrinkfor" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: in other news : aggregate advertising and dating data seems to show that a 50% increase in mixed race fantasy couples being displayed over 5 eyars corresponds to a 50% increase in the affinity for white women for white men, and reciprocal, and further a decrease for both black men -> white women and black wome -> white men and reciprocal.
mircea_popescu: the famous uncanny valley of mixed race matrimony : the least seen it is, the more acceptable, and vice-versa.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby. << interesting stuff, our bub atm goes bananas if one of us does not focus attention on him at all times
assbot: Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's not so healthy.
cazalla: why's that? we were told it's just part of their growth style at this age to be clingy
mircea_popescu: well the part of their growth style may be to be clingy, but it's supposed to not work.
mircea_popescu: so they learn to cope and become fucking sane.
cazalla: i can't cope with the crying so it's easier to tell wife to stay with him
mircea_popescu: that's a bit rich neh ?
mircea_popescu: let the kid choke once in a while, let the woman have her own life once in a while.
mircea_popescu: it won't kill either of em.
cazalla: she does
cazalla: have a life that is, choking sound is awful when we give him a new food
cazalla: i've been sick with flu anyway so poor woman is at her wits ends
punkman: buen dia
BingoBoingo: Dobro Jutro
punkman: a morning teaser: You are sitting on an olive tree, smoking some tobacco, watching the river. The Beaumont sisters are having a swim and it's an even bet that the first two to come out of the water will have big tits. How many of the sisters have small tits?
BingoBoingo: 3
BingoBoingo: Sorry, 1
BingoBoingo: 3 total
punkman: close, 3 have big tits
punkman: or 6 have small tits
xmj: not enough information
punkman: xmj, what's missing?
xmj: pics
BingoBoingo: Oh my #bitcoin-offtopic is a lulzfest atm
punkman: http://www.bustygirlsdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/big-tits-girls-in-river-naked-005.jpg
punkman: BingoBoingo: the moarrr guy?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas"
punkman: "i can actually get 10x or 100x pretty easily, done it before Talisman, but if i told you then you would probably just try and do it yourself and thus wouldnt need me"
punkman: and of course, he's in massive debt
xmj: punkman: THATS BETTER
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to catch up on lulzmine
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/15JGEWX
assbot: dpaste: 15JGEWX
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00075219 = 4.2499 BTC [+]
punkman: here's some more for you xmj: http://uploads5.wikiart.org/images/pierre-auguste-renoir/the-large-bathers-1887.jpg
xmj: punkman: i liked the one on the left in the real world picture
xmj: perky.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217
assbot: Safe and sound | object 2212
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00075165 = 11.0117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00075101 = 10.7394 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00075027 = 13.5799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2844 @ 0.00075027 = 2.1338 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003991 = 0.7982 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00075027 = 7.1276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2002 @ 0.001 = 2.002 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: thar
mircea_popescu: punkman: close, 3 have big tits << depends on whether we accept some particular notions as to the genetics that cause big tits dunnit ?
Namworld: Yes, assbot is back
mircea_popescu: there's not just one, female inherited factor. there's at least three, of which at least one skips a generation.
mircea_popescu: danke kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas" <<< i'm saving this one for the next time some derp comes up with "a billionaire dude would never hang out in irc with us rubes"
mircea_popescu: !up brayden
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.13, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 431.11, 24 hour volume: 12257.64551894, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 448.026931997
mircea_popescu: sub-ad hominem attacks lmao
mircea_popescu: interesting coinage.
mircea_popescu: course the sub should qualify the homo not the preposition. subhominem addack or something.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I've at this point given up at editing any of the text at all. " << this is often a clue the whole thing is not worth publishing, as painful as may be. ie, if one guy can't be bothered to spend an extra minute on the strength of the material, there's cause to believe a thousand readers shouldn't be asked to spend that one second it takes them to decide they don't want it.
ThickAsThieves: "Overstock to Donate 4% of Bitcoin Revenue to Foundations Advocating Cryptocurrency Adoption"
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the only good way to pander to your readership, and yes they can tell.
punkman: mircea_popescu: but their name's Beaumont, it runs in the family
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they weren't making jack were they.
mircea_popescu: punkman sure, but no guarantee is made both their mother and grandmother was heavy bosomed.
ThickAsThieves: accounting dept days "hey you know those btc you are retaining, they are plummeting" "well donate that shit so we can write it off!"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you may be on to something.
ThickAsThieves: "Overstock has initially selected the Chamber of Digital Commerce"
ThickAsThieves: sigh
ThickAsThieves: at least it wasnt TBF i guess
mircea_popescu: wait, is this the brunette chick w/e her name was ?
ThickAsThieves: tho i still think bitcoingirl should just take up a career in playing a dame in movies
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: she's so... dick tracy looking
ThickAsThieves: what is that, russian?
mircea_popescu: ouch. well this chick's overbite... here's the problem : before now when her pretentiousness flopped, it would have been just a young woman being naive. but now, with 4% of overstock REVENUE, if the thing flops she's just a failure.
mircea_popescu: kids, just won't stay out of the fire for the life of them.
ThickAsThieves: OSTK is foing decently tho
ThickAsThieves: weathered the selloff
ThickAsThieves: doing*
mircea_popescu: which is ostk ?
ThickAsThieves: overstock
peterl: did they actually mean revenue or is it profit?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin revenue
mircea_popescu: i read revenue.
ThickAsThieves: my tax theory was meant to be serious tho
ThickAsThieves: i bet they were retaineding 4% in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what do you mean weathered the selloff ? you mean they had a stock selloff or what ?
peterl: tax theory sounds good to me
ThickAsThieves: i mean Wall St had a lil correction this week
ThickAsThieves: ostk didnt budge
ThickAsThieves: not really that notable
ThickAsThieves: just wanted to check the stock
ThickAsThieves: the volatility mostly hit popular stocks
ThickAsThieves: tsla, etc
ThickAsThieves: nflx
mircea_popescu: myeah.
peterl: stuff in bubbles?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall their published btc sales figures were piddly, but w/e
ThickAsThieves: as of mid-Aug it was $2m with $5m projection for year end
ThickAsThieves: probly more like 3m
mircea_popescu: someone should figure out how that projector works lol
mircea_popescu: anyway i recall something more like 200k or w/e, back in spring.
ThickAsThieves: they probably apply xmas sales bump proportionally to bitcoin sales for projection
ThickAsThieves: altough i cant imagine xmas shopping at overstock...
mircea_popescu: punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217 << ok this shit is cool.
assbot: Safe and sound | object 2212
mats_cd03: i can imagine post-xmas sales being a thing
mats_cd03: people spending btc they dont want, etc.
mircea_popescu: “This record was hand shaped and individually cut in real time using a vintage 1940s Presto 75A recording lathe. It is a unique piece. It is not the same as a traditional pressed record. It was not made in a factory. It was hand carved from an 8ft sheet of polycarbonate plastic, shaped, sanded, waxed and cut in real time by one person.”
mats_cd03: paper wallet gifts from that weird nephew...
punkman: got my posters from nubbins, but arsepost says they'll need a couple of days to locate them...
mircea_popescu: punkman is that your blog ?
punkman: no
punkman: I'm over at extemporized.com
chetty: give btc for xmas gifts, save shopping
mircea_popescu: someone with a forum account please to tell klech guy he's cool and to drop by.
ThickAsThieves: yeah everyone's getting bit"coins" for xmas
mircea_popescu: krach i mean. this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505131.0
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mats_cd03: http://www.amazon.com/High-Resolution-Display-Adaptive-PagePress-Sensors/dp/B00IOY8XWQ new kindle available for pre-order
assbot: Kindle Voyage Touch Screen E-Reader with Light
mats_cd03 is pumped
mircea_popescu: http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptolator_tenth_front_02-1024x666.jpg << this is perhaps the best coin design i've seen so far
mats_cd03: i don't get it.
mats_cd03: they're swimming away from a bank?
mircea_popescu: flood of fiat i dunno
mircea_popescu: i just mean it's not the usual "here's me with a straight line tool" bs like http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptovest_front-1024x759.jpg
peterl: does anybody here use bitmessage?
ThickAsThieves: the art looks like a bunch of bitcoiners reaching to escape to bitcoin and failing
ThickAsThieves: kinda cool if you imagine the coin to be one of the dropped coins from the failures i guess
jurov: they put the bank on fire and fucking on the stairs. me like.
ThickAsThieves: oh wait i get it now!
fluffypony: peterl: I do
ThickAsThieves: they are doing a jailbreak of their money
ThickAsThieves: chains are tearing down the bank
peterl: is it useful? do you like it?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i was thinking, "prolly fluff, he uses all the weird things" but then i was like, give the guy a break, don't say anything
fluffypony: lol
ThickAsThieves: i installed bitmessage once, then i realized there was no one to talk to
mircea_popescu: can you cockroulette with bitmessage ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 << i'm only now realising what a fucking seminal and foundational piece this is.
assbot: Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.
mircea_popescu: it's really badly titled which is what threw me off originally. it's really the counterpart to my economic theory piece, it should be "a complete theory of sociology"
mircea_popescu: it also needs some references to skinner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you mind if i rewrite your article ?
kakobrekla: how the hell does he make those vinyl records
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikr?
mircea_popescu: exactly what i wanna ask him. pm the guy.
punkman: on a lathe
jurov: r/buttcoin utterly clueless on this one, troll if you feel like: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2gq5ja/have_thirty_buttcoins_want_to_trade_buttscoins/
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kakobrekla: <punkman> on a lathe < i guess that might work for digital data
mircea_popescu: all data is digital!11
punkman: http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/recording.technology.history/lathe.html
assbot: Disk-Cutting & Recording Lathes
mircea_popescu: but yes, the reviewer's comment about "sharp around the edges" suggests it's number-powered
punkman: vinyl burners
ThickAsThieves: buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly
punkman: oh wow, he has one of these: http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Presto_model_A1.jpg
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, the audio is likely made in "high contrast" so it's analog smoothing doesnt affect the data
ThickAsThieves: its
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not an easy thing to do.
ThickAsThieves: sure it is, it's done in how he makes the conversion fo audio in the first place
ThickAsThieves: to
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly <<
ThickAsThieves: almost like writing to a hard disk
ThickAsThieves: well exactly like i guess
kakobrekla: my point was, you precision can be off with digital data, with analog it would sound bad.
ThickAsThieves: opposite?
kakobrekla: wha?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.27, Best ask: 433.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 433.32, 24 hour volume: 12438.31420448, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 446.292395934
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00075027 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: with digital you have 1 and 0 and thresholds that compensate for your loss of precision
kakobrekla: with analog, well you just get shit out.
kakobrekla: (not to mention crc or some such)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: glad you liked it. go ahead, use it for something, have fun.
mircea_popescu: this IS going to be fun. brb.
gernika: peterl I use BItmessage
gernika: peterl currently it appears to be broken
ThickAsThieves: interesting phenomenon with AM shares, now that they dont pay divs, no one can verify ownerships
peterl: gernika do you find it useful when it is not broken?
thestringpuller: https://dpaste.de/Non0/raw << uhm?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18199999 = 1.274 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: 17:20 <qq1932> That is how people protect themsevles in the real world, and it works. VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there. << ~_~
ThickAsThieves: lol the guys says WoT is a scam, then explains how to use a WoT
gernika: peterl It may be permanently broken. But I did find it useful, yes. Currently looking at fixes.
peterl: how is it broken?
ThickAsThieves: "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there."
peterl: gotta love all those bezzle dollars
gernika: The network is being spammed with low POW broadcast messages.
peterl: isn't it supposed to ignore low POW messages?
gernika: To the point where people aren't getting messages
gernika: Unfortunately the POW cutoff level appears to be a constant.
peterl: isn't it open source, can't people go into the code and change the hard codings?
peterl: or am I confused?
gernika: petrel yes - everyone could update their constant manually. But that's only a temporary fix.
asciilifeform: vinyl record wallet << good art project, but - bad steganography. breaks the '#1 rule of stego - must not talk about the stego.'
asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#542826☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 05:44:01; asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.
gernika: peterl perhaps "permanently" was a bad choice of words. "Seriously" would be better.
punkman: asciilifeform: at least it uses encrypted priv keys
asciilifeform: how the hell does he make those vinyl records >> phonograph.
kakobrekla: i thought those were out of order.
asciilifeform: out of order ?
kakobrekla: not made and used any more
asciilifeform: can still get vintage one. or, in one or two evenings, build yourself.
asciilifeform: all you need is basic machine tools. edison had his built (afaik, the man's only actual proven invention, that he stole nowhere) for 20 usd (of the period) in a day or so.
asciilifeform: (perhaps ~1k usd of today)
kakobrekla: well i wonder which one of those is it
kakobrekla: that the guy is using.
asciilifeform: chances are, vintage unit. otherwise, he'd probably succumb to the temptation to post photos of hand-crafted phonograph.
chetty: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/how-financial-bubbles-fester-and-burst-even-as-the-fed-says-not-to-worry/
assbot: How Financial Bubbles Fester And Burst—Even As The Fed Says Not To Worry | David Stockman's Contra Corner
kakobrekla is curious what the audio quality would be from that particular unit
peterl: p0[\[
peterl: ack, my kid is attacking the keyboard :(
kakobrekla: o, got a new random pass generator?
peterl: would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator?
kakobrekla: better than most passwords out there
asciilifeform remembers late-'90s 'cat-on-keyboard detector' proggy
kakobrekla: lol?
asciilifeform: it was a thing that would 'lock' a winblows box to prevent damage from paws hitting random keys
kakobrekla: hah
asciilifeform: after a string of x keys that suggest 'cat'
asciilifeform: (e.g., adjacent n-tuplets in cat paw cluster shapes, etc)
kakobrekla: how did it work, with dict?
kakobrekla: a
kakobrekla: well but thats limited to cats then
kakobrekla: change the animal, need to change code.
nubbins`: pascale had one of those extensions on her mac
nubbins`: we successfully engaged it by pressing a spread palm on the keyboard
nubbins`: i think it's essentially just looking for long keypresses, indicating something heavy is on the kb
nubbins`: "CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED" appears on-screen and one must type "human" to unlock
kakobrekla: >PawSense normally recognizes a cat on the keyboard within one or two pawsteps
kakobrekla: ha!
kakobrekla: disable nkro and see how you do :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18199999 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 775 @ 0.0075 = 5.8125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1001 @ 0.0075 = 7.5075 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]
mike_c: ^ 50% above mkt price..
kakobrekla: hm?
kakobrekla: ;;t h rent
gribble: Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
kakobrekla: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00658679 / 0.00750000 (2927 shares, 19.27954758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00587807 / 0.00750000 (4188 shares, 24.61737394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00466943 / 0.00750000 (13039 shares, 60.88467446 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: they closed the normal market again for the "IPO"
kakobrekla does not understand these shenanigans
mats_cd03: b-but, 'equity shares'
fluffypony: !up Mrstickball
ThickAsThieves: to be fair, it *should* go up when btcusd goes down
fluffypony: !up Mrstickball
fluffypony: silly bot
Mrstickball: thanks
Mrstickball: they are unsold shares from his last tranche of shares
punkman: why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO?
Mrstickball: punkman: new equity-bearing shares, and raises EPS guidance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.17048958 = 20.1178 BTC [-] {16}
punkman: Mrstickball: are the old ones not equity-bearing?
Mrstickball: they are as well, AFAIK
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.16410326 = 13.4565 BTC [-] {13}
nubbins`: here's their SEC filing for this IPO
nubbins`: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1615433/000161543314000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml
assbot: SEC FORM D
nubbins`: "Minimum investment accepted from any outside investor$10,000 USD"
nubbins`: i guess for these purposes havelock would be the "investor"
ThickAsThieves: sounds right, from what i recall about how havelock wanted to do thinks
ThickAsThieves: things
nubbins`: innnnteresting
nubbins`: ah, yeah
nubbins`: "Regardless of whether securities in the offering have been or may be sold to persons who do not qualify as accredited investors, enter the total number of investors who already have invested in the offering: 1"
ThickAsThieves: lol, SEC filing for a 1to1 deal?
ThickAsThieves: not sure if that's normal
thestringpuller: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00659606 / 0.00750000 (2957 shares, 19.50454758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00588961 / 0.00750000 (4218 shares, 24.84237394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00467593 / 0.00750000 (13069 shares, 61.10967446 BTC)
thestringpuller: jeezus
ThickAsThieves: my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' because we have to pay cap gains tax
thestringpuller: can't people just throw up shares at 0.0075
ThickAsThieves: I attempted to explain that all income is taxed and most at that rate
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: well cap gains on bitcoin is really high like both on income + property
ThickAsThieves: same as "ordinary income:
ThickAsThieves: "
ThickAsThieves: she feels a "real job" to pay less taxes...
thestringpuller: my accountant was like "If you want fiat you're gonna get double taxed since some of this btc was earned through working"
ThickAsThieves: i should get*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
xmj: ThickAsThieves: are you kidding me lol
thestringpuller: which is like close to 50%
ThickAsThieves: your accountant sounds like he misunderstands something
xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw
ThickAsThieves: you dont pay income tax twice
thestringpuller: no you don't
thestringpuller: you pay income tax
thestringpuller: THEN you pay cap gains tax on property
thestringpuller: if the btc you receive appreciates
ThickAsThieves: right, buit it wouldnt be profit after you got paid in it
ThickAsThieves: it cant be both
thestringpuller: they want both taxes apparently?
mats_cd03: why don't you just convert it to cash
thestringpuller: ~_~
thestringpuller: i'm just going to continue to hide it
ThickAsThieves: lol
thestringpuller: under my mattress and pretend i am broke colelge student still
ThickAsThieves: best part is, she wants me to sell more bitcoins to pay the taxes
ThickAsThieves: i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right?
ThickAsThieves: know*
teward: thestringpuller: isnt that on the sale of capital? i.e. capital gains at the time of sale.
ThickAsThieves: its not a gain til you get the cash
teward: at least in the USA, we get taxed that as part of our income tax, but depending on the length of the ownership of the item which gets you capital gains, there's different tax rates
ThickAsThieves: are the people that paid you in bitcoin issuing a 1099?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/
assbot: A complete theory of sociology pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: neato!
asciilifeform reads
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there." << what's ilegit fraud ? fraudy-fraud ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> vinyl record wallet << good art project, << tis the art project that caught my eye
ThickAsThieves: theyre just words mp, dont dig too deep!
ThickAsThieves: words are like crayons, you can make anything you want, in any color you want
rithm: i like to make money disappear
rithm is waaaay overextended purposefully
thestringpuller: teward: yea if you own the property for X amount of time the capital gains taxes are waived. This is a loophole for homeowners, btc falls under the same statutes. But you still have to pay income tax on income from BTC. I.e. i get paid in BTC as part of some employment contract. The receipt of those coins needs to be claimed with the IRS and then you gotta pay whatever during income tax.
thestringpuller: They gray area of course is if you never liquidate...
ThickAsThieves: it's not gray
ThickAsThieves: when you convert to fiat, if there's gain, there's tax due, if not, then not
ThickAsThieves: also there is no loophole
ThickAsThieves: you pay long OR short term rate
thestringpuller: yes but that's not included if say you pay me X BTC to mow your lawn all year and I don't convert BTC to fiat
asciilifeform: there is an ancient law involved. 'не пойман — не вор' - 'not caught -- not thief.' known in english lands, if i'm not mistaken, as 'the eleventh commandment.'
ThickAsThieves: why would you report underthetable income?
teward: thestringpuller: that's a gray area that you could argue in the tax courts, but you're right. if you don't liquidate the BTC and hold the BTC for over one fiscal year then those bitcoins are only subject to the capital gains tax as well as the income tax IF the liquidation occurs during that fiscal year. At any later date after the BTC has been held for a year it should be the case that it's THEN capital gains taxed.
thestringpuller: additionally as property if you own said property for X amount of time (i don't know the exact figure in this state), you get the capital gains waived.
mircea_popescu: peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah.
teward: thestringpuller: if we want to be truly logical about analyzing this situation... then lets look at state taxes as well
teward: thestringpuller: in theory you're paying four taxes on that BTC income, state and federal income, and then capital gains for both
thestringpuller: yea the loophole is just to hold and liquidate after the expiration of capital gains.
teward: ehhhhhhhhhhh that's not entirely accurate
teward: capital gains can be done in the long term, the rate is just LOWER for the tax. at least in the US
mircea_popescu: <punkman> why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO? << or even having waited for a day BEFORE the ipo ?
mircea_popescu: it was actully discussed here etc.
teward: thestringpuller: differs state-to-state but you have to look at the 'two tax laws' imposed, one being state, one being federal :/
asciilifeform: this - is riotously funny. this is like watching german jews in '36 sit around a table and talk about how they'll 'game the system.'
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah. < better than 12-yo and prolly even 22.
thestringpuller: People who have owned a house for 20-30 years and it's escalated in value are not subject to capital gains. (I know this to be true because I know many people who have sold their houses for more than they bought them and have not gotten taxed for it. The only tax attached to the transaction is sales tax on the buyer).
asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd - they'll take it.
thestringpuller: that's only in this state
mircea_popescu: * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw <<< sure, but doing what.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd << hence not holding usd
nubbins`: what is a usd?
nubbins`: also, just discovered bitpremier
asciilifeform: nubbins`: usa dollar
nubbins`: alf, i was joking D:
ThickAsThieves: bitpremier is connected to secondmarket guy
ThickAsThieves: his brother or something
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves yeah, last name sounded familiar
nubbins`: dilbert or silbert or something
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' << if i had to take a bet on the matter, it'd go like so : it has exactly zero to do with any rationalisation she comes up with and everything to do with how annoyingly you've changed since getting involved with these loser geeks.
teward: thestringpuller: keep in mind homes are governed under separate rules as well
teward: thestringpuller: there's a lot of home-specific laws and tax rules that other capital gains aren't included under
ThickAsThieves: mp that is in the mix, yes
ThickAsThieves: but i suspect it goes even deeper
nubbins`: even deeper!
ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: hehe
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: 'taken up with the wrong crowd', lol
nubbins`: p is very much the opposite
mircea_popescu: there's deeper than that ?!
nubbins`: sell my btc and i'll cut you, etc
ThickAsThieves: she doesnt know the half of you guys, for one
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not everyone's hitched it with a slut yo.
ThickAsThieves: for two, i'm starting to feel like no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real to her
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves time to go read up on game, frame, hand and all that.
thestringpuller: buy her a diamond ring on bitpremier
thestringpuller: call it a night
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: buy her a copy of the jan 3 2009 times
nubbins`: even better
ThickAsThieves: mp wassat?
ThickAsThieves: dude she got a new suv, solar panels, hw floors, vacations
ThickAsThieves: it's not about the material things
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real << to make it feel 'real', convert to a tangible. like an swift escape rocket from usaschwitz
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well sadly they're pua concepts, but they already wrote fiddy billion words on the topic since 2010 and im too lazy to re-write the shit in 100k. especially since in the 5bn words they actually did cover 90% of the 100k, and you should be able to filter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his won't come.
ThickAsThieves: yeah but i have no idea where to look
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his wife wants to remain behind the wire?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves - ?
ThickAsThieves: she does
ThickAsThieves: she's the only reason i'm still here
thestringpuller: can't you just kidnap her?
thestringpuller: move to argentina
asciilifeform: what does she want in usa ?
thestringpuller: not that I condone kidnapping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, what do you want from me. im not hiding any kidnapped us chicks for you folks.
ThickAsThieves: some people are happy in the system
ThickAsThieves: she has her family, a job she likes, etc
mircea_popescu: in fairness, she's probably getting more for her buck there than in any possible alternative.
mircea_popescu: argentina included.
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/18/you-cant-elect-strong-shepherds-and-you-cant-produce-anything-of-value-without-them/
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/
ThickAsThieves: it really isnt about the money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.53291096 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 742 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: she makes plenty on her own
mircea_popescu: "more" didn't mean money.
thestringpuller: "happiness" ???
mircea_popescu: respec, attention, the feeling of doing the right thing, we
thestringpuller: impregnate her and take the kid to argentina
thestringpuller: again not condoning kidnapping
thestringpuller: just saying
ThickAsThieves: i think it's something like 'social relevance' or justifying ones own existence
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not really, cause small kid tends to paw, and clustered keys is one of the main enemies of entropy
ThickAsThieves: having kids didnt work out for us
kakobrekla: slightly bigger tend to dict.
asciilifeform remembers old engravings of circus bears playing organs
thestringpuller: asciilifeform must be russian
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves so divest all your btc and pick up a hobby
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ start there follow links ?
mircea_popescu: this is more reading than the logs tho
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: actually these were, if i recall, german. 17th-18th c.
ThickAsThieves: mp this is the path to the hand frame concepts?
mircea_popescu: well it's one of their luminaries.
ThickAsThieves: and you can provide no overview?
mircea_popescu: alternatively could use http://www.returnofkings.com/ or http://heartiste.wordpress.com/
assbot: Return Of Kings - For masculine men
assbot: Chateau Heartiste
mircea_popescu: well if i could condense it in 500 words i would have already.
ThickAsThieves: seems like the quest you are sending me on is "to understand woman"
ThickAsThieves: a quest one probly dies along before completing...
mircea_popescu: nah, just some keywords in a specific set of... philosophy is muchly said, but anyway. worldview
ThickAsThieves: word
mircea_popescu: there's this group of people, who figure they've figured out women. they're not entirely correct, but they do have some good points.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic, it's fucking incredible to me how abandonedly they link to each other.
ThickAsThieves: i could probly just learn more about her mom and map onto her
mircea_popescu: it's not even a matter of, some people in a conclave circle jerking
mike_c: i can confirm that a 1 yr old is terrible random number generator. they focus on a small subset of keys and bang.
mircea_popescu: no, they link to nobodies, to beginners, to people in their comments, they link like their fucking life depends on it
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's exactly the only reason they eked into a modicum of relevancy for the social discourse
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "the press" avoids linking to people like the plague, as the quoted piece from maddox yest showed. and i suspect this has a lot to do with their collapse, it's not the internet, is that they misunderstood the importance of reference.
ThickAsThieves: i can see it now "whatcha reading, babe?" "The Ugly Reality Of Open Relationships"
asciilifeform: they link to nobodies, to beginners << unmistakeable, dire sign of a field not yet (and perhaps never) mature. you need some beginnings of a fissure between the alchemists and the chemists, astrologists and astronomers.
asciilifeform: if they all 'link to each other' - you have only alchemy, astrology.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is what i thought too, 2011ish. but here's the thing : these people now do book deals,
mircea_popescu: they saw money.
mircea_popescu: and they STILL behave correctly.
mircea_popescu: my own pet theory, which you may laugh at as you will, is that the difference is the investment of hate. these people hate women, fundamentally, and as such they no longer need to look out for enemies, and so everyone else is a friend.
mircea_popescu: the press meanwhile knows no greater enemy than... another press outlet, especially in the same market
thestringpuller: isn't that the case with any industry?
mircea_popescu: the investment of hate results in online success, the failure to invest it results in online failure.
asciilifeform: press also has enemies it can, as a whole, agree on. untermenschen, if you like. some things 'it would not do' to print.
mircea_popescu: no, it does not. it seems to, but it does not.
mircea_popescu: consider what that "unfit to print" was in 1950, and in 1975, and in 2000.
asciilifeform: ;;google autosaurus ad
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the pua people DO have things they'll never print.
gribble: Autosaurus - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk>; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters>; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: <http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/>
asciilifeform: ^ trivial example
mircea_popescu is unconvinced.
asciilifeform: or, also trivial example, that chinese sub off the californian coast.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.8, Best ask: 428.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 428.8, 24 hour volume: 12826.14394427, 24 hour low: 428.8, 24 hour high: 455.29, 24 hour vwap: 444.293570279
asciilifeform: or, or.
mircea_popescu: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=abc_classy << referenced maddox piece, for the convenience of the students of the future.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, those are circumstantial. it's not about the press. if the chinese took over tomorrow it'd be all over the washington post.
asciilifeform: certainly the tabloids would love to print a sensational turd about the sub. but then editor's phone rings, and 'editors can also have problems'
mircea_popescu: i'm talking about things that are fundamental, not mere convention built atop and supported on nothing really.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: fundamental to press per se ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: then yes.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo
assbot: Ali G - Feminism - YouTube
thestringpuller: ali g in da house
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asciilifeform: 'Because apparently nobody creates anything anymore, and it all belongs to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, right assholes?' << this is fundamental.
xmj: hahahahaha now that's a weird bet.
asciilifeform: imagine if actual, scientifically-honest medicine were entirely forgotten, and the licensing authorities in your country permitted only witch doctors, whose main remedy is blood-letting.
asciilifeform: (some people see this as something which has already happened, but that's besides the point of the example)
asciilifeform: is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ?
ThickAsThieves: everyone already does, post-webmd
asciilifeform: now let's say actual medicinal practice reappears, in underground hideouts of a kind.
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a revolution
asciilifeform: except - no
asciilifeform: shamans, if clever, will merely crib from the deviants as needed.
asciilifeform: while continuing to oversee the latter - hanged.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.16102536 = 6.602 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: i'd argue that this situation is intrinsic to the very idea of having stable 'institutions' like 'official medicine'
asciilifeform: or 'official media'
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asciilifeform: so long as your 'throne' (kingly, ministerial, city-dogcatcher, commissioner of farts, etc) is a thing - and isn't constantly probing your arse for worthiness to sit thereon - it will behave this way.
ThickAsThieves: buffet discovered bitbet!
TomServo: Wow - that's a big one!
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: mp hedging? :P
ThickAsThieves: yeah right
asciilifeform: buterin.
ThickAsThieves: i hope buterin and friends dont think they can surpress price THAT long
asciilifeform: thousand-year reich.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ? << yes, actually.
ThickAsThieves: marshall law
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: why not? gold has been suppressed for decades
mircea_popescu: the only correct response to one that wishes to impress you with meaningless bloodletting is MORE bloodletting, better directed.
mircea_popescu: not less.
ThickAsThieves: because you have to actually control the gold
asciilifeform: ^ right. but this answer unhappily tickles all the folks who think they like 'hierarchy'
mircea_popescu: tough for them
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: only sorta. paper gold and market fixing abounds.
asciilifeform: for reference - my theory of 'buterin's waterfall' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832194☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:50:00; asciilifeform: had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'
mircea_popescu: check it out, mike_c's advertising bitbet :D
TomServo: Shouldn't this supposed ETH dump be coming from: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ?
assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
mircea_popescu: Duffer1> mp hedging? :P << wasn't me.
mike_c: i sent the link to warren, we're tight.
asciilifeform: TomServo: these folks are not necessarily brilliant schemers, but they have the basics nailed down. such as how to trade 'interesting' coin for 'boring' coin.
asciilifeform: (meatspace trades - outside the blockchain)
pete_dushenski: mike_c: lol
asciilifeform: this is why the sr dekulakization hoard appears to 'sit still'
kakobrekla: bitcoin holders are sheep. you only need to announce the sell to drop the price, not actually sell.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLSstqMvH8
assbot: Ali G Show - Feminism - YouTube
asciilifeform: so, for the record, what i'll call 'buterin's waterfall' - picture a water-powered vacuum aspirator pump, of a kind used in school chemistry class.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: don't you read teh logs?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i do ?
mircea_popescu: what'd i miss ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you posting the same thing ;)
asciilifeform: water is pumped from a tank up, and then flows down a pipe back into the tank. in the down pipe, there's a spigot to the side, where a vacuum forms - water carries away air.
mircea_popescu: shit bad link ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not convinced there's anything at play but a lack of new bitcoin buyers
asciilifeform: so you get a vacuum that is about as good as the water's vapour pressure at the room's temperature & pressure. not bad. cheap. if you remember school - you used this 'medieval' gadget.
ThickAsThieves: traders trading traders will drive price down
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the same link, just the same title.
asciilifeform: so we have 'buterin's waterfall.' ingredient - a fat bag of coin. (where found? sr coins traded for 'boring' coin with no peculiar blockchain history - plus gov. mining, other confiscations, etc.)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: o you so sneaky
asciilifeform: herr buterin takes the bag of coin, and places it on markets largely controlled ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832201 ) by usg.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:56:55; mircea_popescu: ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.
asciilifeform: at slightly lowballed price. shills (perl scripts) then 'buy' the coin at these prices.
asciilifeform: knob is turned, lowball bid is lowered still, shills continue to buy
kakobrekla: why would they announce it and not use the collected coin (ether). its a give away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the joke being, of course, that bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012.
asciilifeform: the 'vapour' carried away is the coin that is panic-sold by civilians
mircea_popescu: and that was before mtgox collapsed.
mircea_popescu: to imagine the entire set of noob exchanges today have 50% of the volume of mtgox in 2012 is to overstate things.
asciilifeform: the controlled market will allow the entry of sizeable parcels coin, but not of usd; and the egress of usd, but not of coin.
mircea_popescu: that means they're playing with confederate bills somewhere in the nebraska territory of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: good for them and who ever cares ?
ThickAsThieves: fwiw the larger SR coin address was dumped the same day that Draper got his coins
ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH?filter=1
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH
mircea_popescu: of course nonsensical bs like "a perfectly fair price index" would get approved by the sec, bec, dec and heck in short order.
mircea_popescu: so what of it, etc.
ThickAsThieves: well maybe they decided to fill all bidders
ThickAsThieves: or have been selling the stash
los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves i can confirm not everyone was filled
ThickAsThieves: word
los_pantalones: and i can confirm we were much better bid than SM
ThickAsThieves: maybe draper voluntasrily bid on the whole lot
los_pantalones: to no avail
ThickAsThieves: and thats why they havent released deets
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones can you actually confirm what you bid ?
los_pantalones: noop
ThickAsThieves: cuz his condition was to give him time to sell em all
mircea_popescu: rounded to something or other ?
los_pantalones: it was within 5% of the market on the day
mircea_popescu: up or down ?
los_pantalones: below
ThickAsThieves: interesting
mircea_popescu: better than nothing, danke.
nubbins`: figured they'd go for above market rates
los_pantalones: i think they did
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if you recall that bet is still in contention.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones not that much room in 5%
ThickAsThieves: i like this theory, what if Draper actually bid less than everyone, but for all 160k or so coins
mircea_popescu: what happened was that one favoured party got the benefit of "match the best offer we get", is the problem.
los_pantalones: nah but we assumed all the SM buyers would have blue balls and pay up after they lost
mircea_popescu: and for that people will have to do hard time.
los_pantalones: he's def not a gov't favorite
los_pantalones: he's trying to breakup cali if you recall
nubbins`: azul huevos
ThickAsThieves: what does gov care about cali states
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: imho, it was not a sale, but a trade. hence the bid circus
mircea_popescu: that shit's going nowhere, suddenly they found extra utility for all the moles placed in random shitholes.
ThickAsThieves: dafuck, they need to fulfill this FOIA already
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: ministry of truth has to make up some truthy truth first
ThickAsThieves: just like the NYDFS currently creating months of research they supposedly did in the Spring
mircea_popescu: no they really did it
mircea_popescu: it just was in some emails they lost is all.
ThickAsThieves: you mena they read someone else's?
ThickAsThieves: oh
mircea_popescu: they were cohosting with the irs
los_pantalones: haha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012 << this is where, at least from my jail's eye view, the buggers - won. as usaschwitz inmate, otc doesn't even exist for me. in order for it to exist - i'd have to become embroiled in handling suitcases of benjies in meatspace. precisely the kind of thing агентурная работа is optimized to roll up participants of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lieing to yourself. in point of fact, on the strength of your wot rating yo ucan participate just fine.
ThickAsThieves: i dont really understand how US otc market exists
ThickAsThieves: regarding published attempts at least
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: participate how?
ThickAsThieves: like craigslist, localbitcoins
los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves why ?
nubbins`: i think localbtc does a lotta biz
asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.
ThickAsThieves: because it's prime money-laundering activity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i suppose i misread. yes, as a internal-regulations-abiding inmate, it doesn't exist for you.
los_pantalones: not if you document it, which is really quite easy to do
xmj: asciilifeform: how do you pay them? bank transfer?
los_pantalones: wire
asciilifeform: ^ yeah
ThickAsThieves: so if you do AML essentially
asciilifeform: so, there's a compliant bank in the loop.
los_pantalones: there are still plenty of those
xmj: huh
asciilifeform: so, where inmate turns, jailer - friendly winks.
xmj: how in gods name do you pay for food with wires
asciilifeform: food - could buy with paper
asciilifeform: rent - no
xmj: you pay food with creditcard and pay creditcard with wires?
ThickAsThieves: yeah
xmj: asciilifeform: former apartment i paid rent with paper actually
xmj: asciilifeform: ... my landlord wanted it so. :)
asciilifeform: xmj: this works if you live in physically reachable distance of landlord
xmj: well two hours.
nubbins`: i prefer to receive rent via interac e-transfer
xmj: but, yeah, i know what you mean.
asciilifeform: mine - lives on other side of continent.
nubbins`: not everyone likes doing it tho :/
nubbins`: i suppose this is a foreign concept to you non-canadians
xmj: asciilifeform: mine - lives on another continent.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta understand the otc market is really a bunch of large players, in us fiat.
xmj: asciilifeform: know anyone hiring sysadmins for BTC? >:)
mircea_popescu: three govt owned banks pushing govt script back and forth, what exactly is going to be so laundery about that ?
asciilifeform: xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.
ThickAsThieves: so basically if you are an otc seller, you just gotta watch out for buyers saying suspicious things, as they may be agents
bounce: this popped up somewhere, curiously not dated though: http://www.digitalcitizensalliance.org/cac/alliance/content.aspx?page=cyberlockers
assbot: Digital Citizens Alliance
mircea_popescu: i think the prime of "we're selling bitcoin to pay for stolen credit cards" is come and gone.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: you aren't thinking big enough. 'agents' or not, if you're feeding into or from a usd bank at the end of the day, you're in panopticon.
bounce: as in, pressure group pays "experts" to "prove" teh intarwebz are full of badness. still. again. whatever.
ThickAsThieves: how about to launder drug money?
ThickAsThieves: or such
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they were trying that shit, mostly to elicit new information, some vague hope to make jury think onoes realbadman.
mircea_popescu: but it didn't really go anywhere. they got too much drivel and the judges don't really get impressed.
mircea_popescu: so no longer fashionable.
nubbins`: i don't know why people think big-time drug logistics and btc overlap in any significant way
ThickAsThieves: i'm not exactly clear why money laundering is even illegal
xmj: that's easy
mircea_popescu: because money is worthless.
los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves control
mircea_popescu: nubbins` idiots ?
nubbins` shrugs
xmj: because the things you do to require laundering money is illegal
xmj: black markets
nubbins`: small-time, sure. no sweat. big-time, nuh-uh
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves, others - if your objective is not merely to avoid committing an indictable crime under american law as your lawyer was taught it, but to hide your wealth from total dekulakization - you cannot solve this problem without a closed arse-mouth btc cycle
nubbins`: look at what happened to SR when they tried to move big amounts
xmj: or legal, but you're doing it off-time off-regulation off-taxes
asciilifeform: where you forget what usd even was.
xmj: grey markets
xmj: "shadow economy".
mircea_popescu: nubbins` since when is 1kg a big amount ?
nubbins`: since SR was geared towards end-users
nubbins`: no coke user is buying in 1kg bricks
nubbins`: they're buying an 8ball
ThickAsThieves: speak for yourself!
ThickAsThieves: jk
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: the point remains.
xmj: "jk"
xmj: ^ truthtalk marked by "jk"-- always
ThickAsThieves: cocaine laundering
nubbins`: the point of the site was to let suburbia buy drugs without having to interact with dealers
xmj: well because dealers are shady
ThickAsThieves: and unreliable
nubbins`: what moron is going to risk his dick losing a kilo on some website?
xmj: that's why they're dealers.
mircea_popescu: well something like that. "let suburbia buy drugs while interacting with dealers on social media" was the idea
xmj: also they live with their moms.
bounce: every. last. one. of. them.
ThickAsThieves: except for bingoboingo
mircea_popescu: he lives with his dog ?
nubbins`: maybe
bounce: but it's kinda interesting to see how money is now guilty until proven innocent. all in the name of fighting droogs and terrism and whatever.
mircea_popescu: bounce no dude. that's how they rationalize it, but really, the problem is the money is worthless. to maintain its appearance of value, its use has to be limited
nubbins`: anyway, if you find yourself in possession of 1kg of cocaine, you know how to get rid of it already. if you find yourself looking to buy 1kg of cocaine, you're NOT doing it online
mircea_popescu: and its use in free markets first of all.
mircea_popescu: then in all markets, and so on.
nubbins`: other hand: if you're some kid living in the middle of idaho and you want to try LSD...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you go to college ?
bounce: "limited", in what way? "quantitative easing" type limiting?
nubbins`: here we call it "university" ;D
mircea_popescu: bounce no, as in "you may not buy candy with it"
mircea_popescu: here are "your" ten dollars and here's the list of things you may trade it for.
mircea_popescu: don't trade it for other things and you won't know how worthless it is.
ThickAsThieves: how does btc stand a chance of avoiding all this? cant "goxcoins" be created and contained so as to depress market?
bounce: well I won't say no to a sack of that worthless money. a milliard or two should do.
mircea_popescu: they have the same thing in argentina, it's called "precios cuidados". you can buy cheap shitty rice and w/e for pesos as if the official rate were meaningfull.
mircea_popescu: otherwise shit is 50% more expensive
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asciilifeform: you're NOT doing it online << but if you could - you would. the number one ingredient for 'humint' rollups of whatever thing usg dislikes - is to get people to drag their earthly carcasses out into the physical open, where they can be 'controlled buy' operated and arrested.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well sure, that's what ethereum is trying to achieve.
asciilifeform: if cocaine could teleport - it would be as ubiquitous and invulnerable as w4r3z.
bounce: what're you saying, proposing to scam the gullible for the good of the many? what how now?
ThickAsThieves: i guess that's why we already see huge premiums on OTC (real) coins
nubbins`: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1227.300000000000 USD = 2.90746707098 BTC
thestringpuller: ;;google XAU
gribble: ^XAU: Summary for PHLX Gold/Silver Sector- Yahoo! Finance: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EXAU>; XAU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAU>; XAU - Kitco: <http://www.kitco.com/pop_windows/stocks/xau.html>
ben_vulpes: * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw << wtf last time i offered to cut you checks in btc you were all "nah lets fuck around with retarded int'l payment processors"
thestringpuller: ah
[]bot: Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 62(Y):38(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 1816.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,508.
ThickAsThieves: wha!
ThickAsThieves: again?
xmj: ben_vulpes: yes and since then i've had to deal with Skype, the IRS fuckers, and got around to set things up.
xmj: ben_vulpes: I've TOLD you I'd love to work for BTC before.
bounce: hmm.
mircea_popescu: o.O
xmj: er, replace skype with PayPal.
ThickAsThieves: maybe someone made that quantum miner!
xmj: fuckers.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is having a totally shit month
Duffer1: interestingt
bounce: oh, was about to mention something about running your own SIP
bounce: (switch, ata hooked up to some service, whatever)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> bitbet is having a totally shit month /// use your powers to make BTCUSD $700 again, all will be well
mircea_popescu: o hey bitcoin outlets ? there've just been a quarter million dollars worth of btc bet within an hour. this is not news because you don't know where news in bitcoin breaks or because you don't know what news actually is ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my powers only work when nobody mentions them.
ThickAsThieves: sry
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw at some point ima want to hear what you thought!
bounce: "don't mention the powers!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: chumpatronics? it was very spiffy.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah i'm an unbelief god. like, most gods draw their power from believers believing.
mircea_popescu: i, on the other hand...
bounce: too bad our collective name is cleese
ThickAsThieves: am the antichrist?
mircea_popescu: "the pedestrian antichrist"
mircea_popescu: dude where's my horse!
ThickAsThieves: in qgyot
ThickAsThieves: eqypt
ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: i type real good
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im quite very fond of it!
asciilifeform: ;;google i'm on a horse
gribble: I'm On A Horse - The Song - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMXeKzoGxg>; I'm on a Horse - Old Spice Commercial - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5au0LOJp8>; I'm On A Horse - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsPwQVnlDg0>
xmj: ;;google Scotland Independence Poll
gribble: Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News: <http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker>; BBC News - Scottish independence: Voting under way in referendum: <http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890>; Scottish independence referendum poll: the latest tracker - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish- (1 more message)
xmj: there we go.
mircea_popescu: lol and of course the scream of late leech is at its place.
mike_c: this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of a sequel, might be interesting to go into the biological hooks made use of by a qualified ce (chumpatronic engineer)
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right? << dude stop letting the wimmins make important decisions like dietary and financial structuring
asciilifeform: specifically,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813153☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2014 04:09:12; mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.
asciilifeform: and the like.
ben_vulpes: :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why me
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.0, Best ask: 420.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 420.0, 24 hour volume: 14195.12576169, 24 hour low: 420.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 442.041614288
xmj: derp.
mircea_popescu: i would guess the bitstamp ticker crossed the guy's whatever threshold
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why me << because asciilifeform is about to tickle some very small holes in a teflon rod.
mircea_popescu: there's more people here!
xmj: ben_vulpes: btw, ive since learned that sending SWIFT wires is cheaper and more convenient than PayfuckingPal.
mircea_popescu: dude you're a fucking idiot, seriously.
ThickAsThieves: my prediction is the Wall St correction will begin just before BRK bet closes and mp will be laughing
ThickAsThieves: and me with my 5btc bet at full weight
mircea_popescu: so far it's looking pretty grim.
xmj: BRK ?
ThickAsThieves: lotsa months to go
mircea_popescu: true
ThickAsThieves: you have to believe in bitbet for it to work!
ThickAsThieves: it can make diff go up to dizzying heights
ThickAsThieves: just believe
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: fcking nuts the diff bets already.
bounce is supporting bitbet by not believing in the bets. nor actually betting.
ThickAsThieves: after all, all coin in that bet supports a Yes outcome
ThickAsThieves: since they cant sell the coins
mircea_popescu: does anyone more versed in math have a ready replacement for sine and cosine in places where one wants a periodic but doesn't have the math resources to trig ?
bounce: a trig table?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hm i suppose this perversion is true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flip-flop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did say just want periodic...
mircea_popescu: i misspoke., i don't care about that, it just has to be in a range
mircea_popescu: which answers my q : hasing
mircea_popescu: ty chan for listening
mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.
mircea_popescu: fuck that, im too special for lookup tables
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S4Y7FH.txt )
mthreat: !b 1
asciilifeform: for(t=u=85; ; t+=u>>2, u-=t>>2) pissout(t+128);
asciilifeform: ^ sine.
asciilifeform: to 5% or so
mthreat: nice
asciilifeform: do try.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "and unusually sane 46 years (1520-1566) atop the throne, certainly compared to his successors" << certainly what
mircea_popescu: mthreat hater :D
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: his successors were all "only mommy can make me dinner so i know it's not poisoned"
mircea_popescu: yes but you're missing an operand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly i don't need it very precise, but it hastabe 0.3% or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: limited resource << cpu time? code space? working space ? or all 3.
mircea_popescu: aaaand i misspoke again. it has to produce about 300 different results is what i mean.
mircea_popescu: which your thing definitely would wouldn't it.
asciilifeform: what's the limited ingredient? because if 8 bit output resolution, 300 byte table.
mircea_popescu: just clock cycles really
asciilifeform: table then.
mircea_popescu: BUT I R HAET
asciilifeform: how would you propose to beat that, cycle-wise.
mircea_popescu: the present state of computing science sucks!(tm)
bounce: a trig table... in hardware!!!1!
mircea_popescu: can't even beat a table.
kakobrekla: you can flip it.
asciilifeform: employ a mentat.
mircea_popescu: fuck you guise, i'm going home.
mthreat: there's a street near me called Guise
nubbins`: 8 Guise
kakobrekla: and full name "Fucked By"
mike_c: hehe. "I don't have time" 'then use space' "I don't like space!"
asciilifeform: mike_c: then use.. finesse.
mike_c: physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly < i dont like the combination of these letters
ThickAsThieves: lol
asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller's mega-epic 'suddenly, the inventor appeared.').
mike_c: well, a valid question would be: how much user friendly would be required to pull in 500 btc in bets.
The20YearIRCloud: punkman: RENT's NAV is right around .01btc/share, so there's some value to new shares @ the reduced amount even of .0075 with as low as BTC/USD is. It wasn't my preference to close down market, but if my investor indication goes through they'll all be sold within a week and the fund will be back to normal activity.
asciilifeform: mike_c: how much beauty does hellen need to launch one-fifth of a ship ?
mike_c: please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense.
asciilifeform: ;;ud millihellen
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | The quantity of beauty required to Launch one ship.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile. << all you need is love...
mike_c: and wtf, doesn't helen have one l?
asciilifeform: '...for the motherland, hate - for enemy'
mike_c: ;;ud millihelen
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | "Judith was no match for Helen of Troy, having on a few millihelens of beauty herself". by great ... Nice kid with a sweet personality; kinda plain tho'... a millihelen.
mircea_popescu: 18<mike_c> please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense. << for what, gayola ?
asciilifeform pops 'll' key, checks spring
asciilifeform: llol.
mike_c: helen was a thin pretense for the launching of ships. kinda like WMD.
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I got the posters today, I had a question about redemption of the prize or whatever - Do the claimants just get on here and post a link to a photo, are there any other requirements?
asciilifeform: as is 'user friendly'
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud pretty much. we're going to limit it if there's anything looking like fraud, but otherwise, just show up in here and hold the poster up
kakobrekla: you guys are oversimplifying.
mircea_popescu: sorta like the tits thing worked, but without the tits.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as is 'user friendly' << no, he has it kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: "user friendly" is a post hoc explanation just like "he's handsome&cool" is a pill against morning after remorse.
The20YearIRCloud: nubbins`: Regarding our SEC filing, Havelock & FPAI act as intermediaries (Which the SEC allows) Separating the US entity from Havelock. Our laywer has run the setup through several other legal advisors at the SEC and they all feel it's the best setup for what we're doing.
mike_c: kakobrekla: i felt like that conversation the other day started in the middle. what is your position exactly?
nubbins`: yeah, that's what we figured
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I'm going to write up a letter/note and give a poster & instructions to each one of my tenants, then offer a discount if they use BTC to pay for their rent( even if it's a fraction of the rent). But that will only account for 15 of the 50 posters, so I was gonna run a few contests on our FB page (If that's ok with you?) for the remainder
The20YearIRCloud: Of course, keeping #1 for myself
nubbins`: ^ heh
nubbins`: i'll buy it off ya ;D
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud nah, keep them for further tenants.
The20YearIRCloud: I'll sell #1 for 2btc
mircea_popescu: you both expand and you'll see some churn, so.
The20YearIRCloud: I
The20YearIRCloud: I'd rather give a few away, it can take a while for us to churn through tenants & expand, running a contest would boost our FB page severely too :D
mircea_popescu: well yes im sure it would, but the idea is for them to go to actual tenants.
The20YearIRCloud: Which is why i brought it up with you now, as I don't want to give a few away and then them yell at me saying they couldn't claim their 0.1btc
mircea_popescu: cool.
The20YearIRCloud: Also kind of wanted to give one each to my employees
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud im sure nubbins` will gladly make you a dedicated fb or employee poster. kid's talented.
The20YearIRCloud: I wasn't sure if the posters were earmarked exclusively for tenants only
kakobrekla: mike_c that 'nice package' of a 'good product' does not turn off the buyers after the 'good product'.
The20YearIRCloud: as there were 100 posters made, me getting 50
asciilifeform always reads 'fb' as 'framebuffer', wonders who else.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-16nm-bitcoin-asic/ Rise, nethash, rise!
assbot: CoinTerra Opens Pre-Orders for First 16nm Bitcoin ASIC
mike_c: but the implication being that BB does not currently have nice package?
The20YearIRCloud: i can't wait till the 1nm asics
ThickAsThieves: graphene ASICs
mike_c: intel is on what, 14 nm?
ThickAsThieves: i think 12
ThickAsThieves: not sure
ThickAsThieves: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-processor-5nm,17578.html
assbot: Intel Has 5 nm Processors in Sight
kakobrekla: mike_c nice package is mostly for superficial people. to those i think it does not cater well.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/
assbot: MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina
kakobrekla: i guess it depends what the goal is.
bounce: apparently the process size numbers have become all but meaningless
mike_c: so in this case perhaps superficial = casual gambler.
ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/OXJXxbX.png
mike_c: i don't think package is the issue there. more the parimutuel/weight system.
ThickAsThieves: kako will like that ^
kakobrekla: heh
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: salami slice ?
kakobrekla: mike_c sometimes the line from product and package is hard to determine, seems to me.
kakobrekla: but tat you can still have both, nice fonts AND correct math. in theory.
ThickAsThieves: of course
mike_c: i don't like circle's look. not as good as ethereum.
asciilifeform: the math is correct. just missing a term.
ThickAsThieves: oh yeah the other day you mentioned, you never heard of good package hurting good product
asciilifeform: call it 's' for salami.
ThickAsThieves: it is very much a thing
ThickAsThieves: i'll give a basic example
kakobrekla: do tell, mp came with one (and not great one)
ThickAsThieves: nonprofit agency pays more money for cheap-looking solicition materials (like, capital campaign mailers) so as not to look like they have plenty money to afford nicer package
ThickAsThieves: packaging must match culture of audience
kakobrekla: but nonprofits goal is to not make a profit, so that doesnt count.
ThickAsThieves: i'm showing how the nonprofit has awareness of the phenomenon
ThickAsThieves: if packaging doesnt suit audience, one or both parties may be alienated
ThickAsThieves: the packaging is a communication
ThickAsThieves: a language maybe
asciilifeform: 'inverse-veblen good' ?
ThickAsThieves: what if god was one of us?
bounce: what if americans understood irony?
kakobrekla: i thought 'good' implied 'appropriate'.
ThickAsThieves: good implies optimal i guess
ThickAsThieves: we are defining it
asciilifeform: ;;google veblen good
gribble: Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good>; Veblen Good Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/veblen-good.asp>; Veblen Good Definition & Example | Investing Answers: <http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/economics/veblen-good-6371>
mike_c: nonprofit goal is to not book a profit, but they certainly want as much revenue as they can get.
kakobrekla: its not good if its inappropriate
asciilifeform: 'good' meant there, something one can buy or sell.
ThickAsThieves: yes asciii good example
kakobrekla: i also am not talking about "not evil"
ThickAsThieves: thin line between optimizing your communication and being manipulative
ThickAsThieves: if line exists at all
ThickAsThieves: just to inject a quick tangent, lately i've been thinking about how reality is essentially toxic, and of human relationship with it is in how it insulates from it.
ThickAsThieves: how
ThickAsThieves: bleh
ThickAsThieves: probly just boils down to thermodynamics
bounce: toxic in what sense?
ThickAsThieves: it causes pain when exposed
ThickAsThieves: contemplating ones mortality for example
bounce: so pain is the universe's fault?
ThickAsThieves: well it aint my fault
ThickAsThieves: :)
bounce: of course it isn't.
ThickAsThieves: humans work so hard to insulate from real
ThickAsThieves: probly also restating mp's theories on not all men can be free
ThickAsThieves: some men can take the pain
ThickAsThieves: or thrive on it
los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump.
ThickAsThieves: haha
los_pantalones: it's just $
ThickAsThieves: lol
los_pantalones: unrealized losses
ThickAsThieves: no its not that
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves candidate for wife-replacement surgery ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm short on BTCUSD
ThickAsThieves: been so for a while
los_pantalones: "short on" = don't have enough
los_pantalones: or you are short it
asciilifeform: what's a btcusd ?
ThickAsThieves: i literally shorted it with leverage
asciilifeform: is it something like a newton-metre ?
asciilifeform: or foot-pound ?
ThickAsThieves: just btc price in usd
los_pantalones: on bfx ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
los_pantalones: borrowing costs to short are pretty cheap
ThickAsThieves: much less than longs
ThickAsThieves: currently at .002% per day for me
los_pantalones: nice return
los_pantalones: have a target?
los_pantalones: $0 ?
ThickAsThieves: ive started covering and hope to buy back in for realz under 400
ThickAsThieves: 360 looks likely
ThickAsThieves: watching closely of course
los_pantalones: ha
los_pantalones: good luck
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.4, Best ask: 428.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 428.4, 24 hour volume: 15009.87721379, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 438.112123888
thestringpuller: i've been long since 2012
thestringpuller: the only time I went short was october 2012
thestringpuller: MPOE puts
thestringpuller: just to see how they worked
los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market
los_pantalones: terrible trade
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 321 @ 0.0075 = 2.4075 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: los_pantalones: yea we all know that now
thestringpuller: too bad I didn't know that in my infancy
los_pantalones: gotta learn somehow
los_pantalones: and mp might say quite the opposite
los_pantalones: but he was in a slightly diff pos
thestringpuller: http://digg.com/2014/we-need-an-adult?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
assbot: Is Adulthood Dead? - Digg
ThickAsThieves: did it ever exist?
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/ << wanna go ?
assbot: MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina
mircea_popescu: i've already been to the embassy thing, so.
The20YearIRCloud: I don't think saying walter white wasn't an adult is kind of stupid
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i think 12 << iirc 12 kinda fizzled.
The20YearIRCloud: in my mind adulthood is the time when you stop thinking less about now and more about the future
The20YearIRCloud: then attempt to make decisions that look forward, trying to plan. Of course many people never get to that point
asciilifeform: just as unrelated q: anyone know of a laptop comp. currently on the market which isn't a complete piece of shit? (everything i see either has display with < 1080 lines, glossy, or both - imho unusable.)
The20YearIRCloud: My kids look forward maybe 3 minutes, 5 if I"m lucky
mircea_popescu: "Cuestión, nos vemos el sábado que viene y recuerden: al que hable de bitcoins lo tiramos al agua / invita un shot a todos / pela."
The20YearIRCloud: I've heard lenovo is decent
mircea_popescu: mthreat we go there, beat the shit out of the kids ?
mircea_popescu: curious what the situation is like here if you assault some idiots in the street. fine or what ?
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> thinkpad X1
The20YearIRCloud: in Romania?
ThickAsThieves: x1 carbon
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no 'F' keys! what a steaming turd.
ThickAsThieves: sry
asciilifeform: plus the one with >1080 lines has gloss.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud buenos aires.
ThickAsThieves: wait a sec mine has F keys and no gloss
asciilifeform: how many lines of display res ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << holy shit even money ?!
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (48%) on Yes, 1195.58 B (52%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`485 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: well not QUITE even
The20YearIRCloud: You're in argentina now?
The20YearIRCloud: I've met a few from there, they assure me with a little bit of cash you can do whatever you want
thestringpuller: interesting. i wonder if the suppression in price is at all related to this bet
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud it's so far been my understanding.
mircea_popescu: so going in there and plowing a beating into the reddit crowd seems a decent use for a few bitcents.
The20YearIRCloud: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/
ThickAsThieves: ascii 2560 x 1600
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: which machine was this
ThickAsThieves: you want the X1 carbon 2nd edition
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17399999 = 0.522 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: also chosen for being linux-friendly system
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: have you a link to vendor?
asciilifeform: because lenovo's site mentions no such animal
asciilifeform: they have a 2560 x 1440 glossy, and a 900 line turd.
ThickAsThieves: the links are dynamic sadly, so you might have to build it, but i will look up my order
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump. << STOP! it's hammertime!
ThickAsThieves: ok ascii you are right, matte is only for 14"
ThickAsThieves: and 900
asciilifeform: there we go.
ThickAsThieves: it isnt the best display, but everything else is nice
mthreat: mircea_popescu: nah the reddit kids are a friendly bunch, i've been to one of their parties
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good laptop for a blind man, then.
mircea_popescu: well ok, then we can just go and not beat them up
ThickAsThieves: rather, not a good laptop for fine linework and ruining your eyesight staring at small details ;)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it's bad enough that no one makes a laptop with vertical display...
ThickAsThieves: they have those tabletops
asciilifeform: tabletop ?
ThickAsThieves: sorry that was meant to read tablet-tops
mircea_popescu says "get a tablet" then remembers proper tablet was never made because apple got to it first.
asciilifeform: ew
ThickAsThieves: convertible laptop tablets
ThickAsThieves: MS and Intel would really love for you to buy 1
asciilifeform mercifully forgot that microshit sold a 'tablet'
ThickAsThieves: they have big ones now too
ThickAsThieves: so bad
ThickAsThieves: MS is so fucked
mthreat: mircea_popescu: also, i'm done with my contract work so as of tomorrow my days are free again. we should get lunch, maybe at Dogg - http://pickupthefork.com/tag/dogg-buenos-aires/
assbot: DOGG buenos aires | Pick Up The Fork
mthreat: oops, better link - http://pickupthefork.com/2014/01/28/dogg-getting-it-on-hot-doggy-style/
assbot: DOGG: Getting It On Hot Doggy Style | Pick Up The Fork
mircea_popescu: mthreat prolly better next week tho.
mthreat: cool
mircea_popescu: http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/why-didnt-i-move-to-estancia-cafayate.html << not bad lol
assbot: SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: Why didnt I move to Estancia Cafayate in the Province of Salta
mircea_popescu: Isnt it wonderful how the “Casey Research Group “concludes that the best thing for you is to buy property from Doug Casey in crappy poor Argentina?. JAJAJAJAA!!!!
mircea_popescu: You’d think that being rich and loving a wine sipping, golf playing sophisticated lifestyle you’d be better off in Napa Valley or something, but no, the best thing for you is to go to the middle of nowhere Argentina and then go from there to a middle of nowhere province where land used to sell for a dollar a square mile, that is until good ol’ Doug bought it and his research now shows that its in your best intere
mircea_popescu: st to pay 300.000 a pop for a place in his Estancia… in one of the poorest provinces of Argentina… in the middle of the desert, where not a blade of grass would survive without artificial irrigation. JA!! Amazing what you can achieve with research!
mircea_popescu: i gotta say, the scammers here are just about this fucktarded.
asciilifeform confesses that when he learned that mircea_popescu was going to Ar, assumed that it was because of the joys chronicled by (among others) ferfal.
mircea_popescu: i mean, nowhere near the smoothness one expects of the same operation in say maryland
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first time i go to that site.
asciilifeform: well yes. but the events described there, afaik - happened.
asciilifeform: good old-fashioned 'mad max' collapse, that is
mircea_popescu: in argentina ? nah.
The20YearIRCloud: yugoslovia was mad max
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ferfal lives in the US now, for a while ;)
asciilifeform: wai what, those great tales of children chained to streetlights so cars would stop, and then drivers can be throat-cut and robbed - all fake ?!
The20YearIRCloud: argentina is like a detroit collapse
asciilifeform sad
The20YearIRCloud: he's making great money in the US as a consultant
mircea_popescu: yugoslavia WAS mad max, yes.
mthreat: with yugos instead of mustangs?
The20YearIRCloud: shtfschool has some information about the yugoslovia incident
mircea_popescu: argentina... meh. i should be able to see the signs. meanwhile, their biggest bombing was of a 3 story jewish centre 30 years ago.
mircea_popescu: by this measure the us has been through all madmaxes in history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the children chained / throats cut business, same goes to you as discussed with los_pantalones re that robbery gopro video.
mircea_popescu: does that schmuck look threatening to you ? and yet, inexplicably, he's alive. how ?
asciilifeform: alive because knows his place in food chain, presumably
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.
mircea_popescu: more like, because there scarcely is any food chain
asciilifeform: or perhaps 'food chain' is not the right term. lion looks dangerous to man, but not to adult elephant, though the latter will not eat him
mircea_popescu: blind cavefish do not survive because they know not to upset cats
mircea_popescu: they survive because sealed in cave. no cats there.
asciilifeform: well-known phenomenon - dodo bird.
mircea_popescu: and also! it's generally gringos that are the scammers.
mircea_popescu: they think themselves so smart, and all that.
los_pantalones: us gringos are dangerous
mircea_popescu: incredibly easy to spot, too.
asciilifeform: scammers - sure. but surely every land can produce its own thieves, robbers, berserkers.
mircea_popescu: "Oh, you didn’t know? See, one of the differences between living in Buenos Aires and living in Salta, is that the life expectancy for males in Buenos Aires is 69,17, while in Salta its 66,17!!!! How Cool is that?! You get to kick the bucket while in your prime years, no one wants to be remembered like an old wrinkly man, rich or not. Why would you want to live in Buenos Aires and live a measly 4 years more of life?"
mircea_popescu: the farfel guy is not just retarded,
mircea_popescu: he can't substract.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every land could every land were a duchy and russia'd consist of some land on the bug.
mthreat: 3 years here is like 4 years other places?
mircea_popescu: mthreat now this i can credit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, living in a dirt poor province has its advantages.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, it's the cheapest way to raise an army.
mircea_popescu: for another thing, it's the cheapest way to spread your carnal knowledge.
los_pantalones: this is how i feel about those advantages
los_pantalones: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cZ6LHkmG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/r3uq72pzbwcld3zw2awg.png
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i guess you're not the next stalin then.
los_pantalones: sadly, no
los_pantalones: sorry to my fanbois
mircea_popescu: a well, we've all got our limitations :D
mircea_popescu: "I’m in financial services and one of the researchers I read suggests"
mircea_popescu: fucking lamers these people. i read that, i think here's an aluminum sidings salesman trying to make it as an insurance salesman now
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,387.
Duffer1: at what point does that become a gracious donation?
asciilifeform: http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/6235/a87b15fae5f1185c.png
mircea_popescu: after the bet closes
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.0, Best ask: 415.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 415.0, 24 hour volume: 17059.74082261, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 435.262063823
thestringpuller: is the term "gracious donation" copyrighted?
Duffer1: i see
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao. "crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon!!!!"
mircea_popescu: guy's great
mircea_popescu: lmao
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-prices-under-400/
cazalla: well, that's an interesting price to wake up to
asciilifeform: 'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'
mircea_popescu: guy's excellent dude, i'm wiping my tears over here, chicks are doubled over on the floor laughing, you ruined my fucking work
asciilifeform: muhahahaha.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.31, Best ask: 410.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 410.33, 24 hour volume: 17399.49655314, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.783426284
ThickAsThieves: 393 at btce
thestringpuller: bet closed
thestringpuller: congrats winners!
thestringpuller: even if you didn't win this time remember, participation counts
The20YearIRCloud: Joy!
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.5, Best ask: 412.77, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 410.38, 24 hour volume: 17414.87561426, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.716551529
mircea_popescu: not quite yet.
kakobrekla: bitbet sez its 50:50
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-october/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 9.69 B (45%) on Yes, 12 B (55%) on No | closing in 5 days 4 hours | weight: 15`353 (100`000 to 1)
los_pantalones: what did i say earlier about long puts?
los_pantalones: the
los_pantalones: worst
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321393 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1166 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414879261.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.72342
mircea_popescu: well what does bitbet know.
The20YearIRCloud: Anyone know when the scotland vote isi n?
mircea_popescu: tomorrow no ?
mike_c: today i believe
Duffer1: today
The20YearIRCloud: I meant timewise - it's today
mircea_popescu: they proly gotta count it, come to terms with the fact the uk is gone, stuff.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow.
The20YearIRCloud: 10pm tonight it seems
asciilifeform: scokraine.
mike_c: bitbet says scotland will stay with the UK
kakobrekla: lol i post a link here - next block there is 5 bets incoming.
mircea_popescu: mike_c what does bitbet know.
kakobrekla: it knows what block is it.
mircea_popescu: course bottom may well be in.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, regardless of scotland. basque country, french canada, transylvania, there were a coupla hundred states at the start of the century
mircea_popescu: there will be many thousands at the end of it.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no reason to have a country larger than hong kong.
mircea_popescu: most us states are too large, let alone the federal construct altogether.
mike_c: big countries eat small countries.
mircea_popescu: used to.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile china ate tibet but still is struggling with singapore.
mircea_popescu: small countries > big countries.
mike_c: tell ukraine that
asciilifeform: i bet tibet tasted like shit.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ukraine is not a small country, is its problem
mike_c: i guess this is true. it is only losing pieces.
asciilifeform: panic_sell << lol, herr buterin gives a little knob a bit of clockwise twist, and we have 'panic'
mike_c: as is syria.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform engineering panics are however great. as far as the usg is concerned, they're cannibalistic
mircea_popescu: the people being kicked off are exactly the two bit farmers that it'd have had to rely on to expand its rule into this new fronteer
The20YearIRCloud: engineering panics?
mircea_popescu: not like the indians are about to leave their ancestral homeland because the colonists dun like it no more.
The20YearIRCloud: in singapore or tibet?
mircea_popescu: we moved on to discussing buterin's derpage.
asciilifeform: !s buterin waterfall
assbot: 3 results for 'buterin waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin+waterfall
asciilifeform: ^ for those who slept.
The20YearIRCloud: ah
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: anyway, from a purely geopolitical perspective... gutting the 51st us state is more than adequate escalation for the entire ukraine mess, much like the syria humiliation was more than adequate escalation for the ossetia mess.
mircea_popescu: for a guy that "doesn't understand how reality works", the situation in the field speaks well of putin.
asciilifeform: gut - then make haggis.
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up xanthyos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0007198 = 1.4396 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
asciilifeform: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: saved from panic selling due to a ban from otc. wonder why.
xanthyos: hi BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Hi xanthyos
The20YearIRCloud: hi
los_pantalones: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/
assbot: Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us : Bitcoin
los_pantalones: love these redditors
The20YearIRCloud: Crazy
mike_c: holy shit, i missed the 2nd 500
los_pantalones: me too
mircea_popescu: the strangest thing is... why make it 4 equal chunks
mike_c: wtf []bot
los_pantalones: idk, wences had to dig up 4 private keys from 1m underground in 4 countries ?
mircea_popescu: "Looking at those payouts, no one should take those bets, either for or against. The payout ratio is really, really bad if I read it correctly." << makes sense.
asciilifeform: equal chunks << usg's calling card.
mircea_popescu: NEITHER SIDE IS A GOOD BET!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how you figure ?
asciilifeform: sr.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if i recall, those were also cut into 'round' parcels.
ThickAsThieves: equal chunks from different addies?
mircea_popescu: "Who is sending 1000 BTC to a site with no SSL? Any why would anyone trust this site anyways? People are stupid or it's fake."
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: wow
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you're right, they;re cute.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna do an ama ?
ThickAsThieves: ha!
mircea_popescu: "I own BitBet, the site with the thousands of Bitcoins in bets. Ask me anything"
ThickAsThieves: Antything except that
mircea_popescu: see if you can not get banned for like half a day
los_pantalones: don't you do that all day ?
ThickAsThieves: and that
asciilifeform: in all fairness, equal chunks from different addies would be perfectly mundane evidence of coldwallets uncorked for the occasion.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones me ? nah.
los_pantalones: what is this ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one possibility yes. in fact, it's trivial to try and find a blockchain link to where the btc was before.
mircea_popescu: generally a paper wallet is stationary.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well yes but the medium is the derpage.
mircea_popescu: "And sending 1000 BTC and waiting 5 months for the result when sites like this closing every day without notice is beyond stupid."
mircea_popescu: herp. "sites like this". lol.
ThickAsThieves: "I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."
ThickAsThieves: wtf
mike_c: TaT.. fess up. this is your short.
mircea_popescu: who's private booty ?
los_pantalones: 'site like this' def my fave part
ThickAsThieves: cavemen must have invented religion on like day 1
xanthyos: my new 72-year-old psychiatrist has not heard about bitcoin. it's not mainstream yet. growth is still possible.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos what the fuck are you doing with a 72yo psych
ThickAsThieves: mike_c i'm like 50% less short than i was last week!
xanthyos: same guy i saw 20 years ago
mike_c: only 1k btc short now ;)
mircea_popescu: xanthyos wow.
ThickAsThieves: so wow
mircea_popescu: you paid some guy 100 bux twice a week for 20 years, and he's not even sucking you off ?
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
ThickAsThieves: haha
xanthyos: haven't seen him since 1995
mircea_popescu: come to argentina, much better deals here.
xanthyos: insurance pays.
mike_c: buckle up. tomorrow when warren says it was his bet, btcusd will explode.
mircea_popescu: why would it ?
mike_c: publicity!
mike_c: explode upwards.
mircea_popescu: "[–]mementori 1 point 29 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: can confirm - made an awesome bet on betsofbitco.in well over a year before the conclusion (had previously been paid out by them) - when it came time to pay up, the site stopped closing bets and then eventually just shut down. I bet .1btc when btc was ~$70 and I would of won around .5btc when btc was ~$800"
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/sinquefield_cup_one_of_the_most_amazing_feats_in_chess_history_just_happened.html
assbot: Sinquefield Cup: One of the most amazing feats in chess history just happened, and no one noticed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, idiocy spreads through exactly this mechanism.
los_pantalones: awesome bet!
mircea_popescu: lol cameron and john major. and tony blair. "please don't break out heart"
mircea_popescu: YOU BROKE IT asshats.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.04, Best ask: 416.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.78000, Last trade: 416.85, 24 hour volume: 18332.47850390, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.816883003
ThickAsThieves: Buterin Waterfall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp0Q3UJHrkU
assbot: English news report with the cat lady that owns 130 cats - YouTube
cazalla: imagine the smell
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/512695876825784321
assbot: Queen Elizabeth II, shown here visiting a Scottish Polling Station. http://t.co/1WT6SPLmeQ
mircea_popescu: The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees fro
mircea_popescu: m Congress.
mircea_popescu: The bill would also seem to exclude industry representatives from the board, as it says members "shall have no financial interests in any of the businesses for which reasonable profits are determined by the Board."
mircea_popescu: nobody elected and no businessman allowed.
mircea_popescu: the country has to be run by what exactly, lefty social media experts ?
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: they've talkd about that quite a bit
The20YearIRCloud: And the oil industry has pathetic margins, apple is the king of margins on $1b+ companies
mircea_popescu: actually washington is the king of margins. al gore makes a trillion % on his "trade carbon" mafia scam.
The20YearIRCloud: Yep
mircea_popescu: easy to make huge margins with no actual costs.
The20YearIRCloud: and even more aggrivating is the mindless fools that support those policies
mircea_popescu: eh, the common man will support anything, who cares.
mircea_popescu: better reasons to be aggrieved. like the fact that there's no low cpu replacement for sine.
mircea_popescu: fucking tables.
The20YearIRCloud: One of the guys that always supports crap like that whom I talk to once in a while works for apple
The20YearIRCloud: Always funny him defending their 20%+ margin yet slamming walmart for their 5.6% and exxon's 8%
kakobrekla: 20? did ya forget a zero there?
mircea_popescu: yeah, apple, the world's most successful dropshipper.
mircea_popescu: they really should be on ebay.
mircea_popescu: AAA+++pple.
The20YearIRCloud: Last time i checked it was a 20% net operating margin
The20YearIRCloud: 21.3% in q2 2013
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they got a lotta useless employees you see.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you can use 11 point polynomial, if you insist http://krisgarrett.net/papers/l2approx.pdf
mircea_popescu: is that 10 arbitrary power operations ?
mircea_popescu: i want something with like 3 additions and a division.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
jurov: or lol, if the platform has good rng, do monte carlo
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.0, Best ask: 417.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 417.98, 24 hour volume: 18805.13675508, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.20570792
thestringpuller: awww
thestringpuller: i was hoping to see cheaper coins
mircea_popescu: how much cheaper lol
mircea_popescu: 410 is cheaper than 490, which is cheaper thjan the 500s it was which is cheaper than 700 etc
thestringpuller: like 10 dollar coins
thestringpuller: I miss 2012
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: miss scarlet, you've had a child now, and you ain't never gonna be 17 and a half again
mircea_popescu: not no mo'.
thestringpuller: !b9
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thestringpuller: !b 9
BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/techies-are-now-panhandling-for-funding-1636402378/+laceydonohue
assbot: Techies Are Now Panhandling For Funding
mircea_popescu: it's not panhandling, it's being creative and changing the world revolutionizing,.
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: really ycombinator's celebration of the uber scammors sordid approach is the moment there.
mircea_popescu: everything after that's just immitation.
thestringpuller: i thought that was facebook...
mircea_popescu: "When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries."
mircea_popescu: the brejnev doctrine survived both brejnev and the soviet union! give the guy obama's nobel prize i say.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.66, Best ask: 433.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 431.2, 24 hour volume: 19974.69850384, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.818620067
mircea_popescu: well that was exciting.
los_pantalones: long puts
los_pantalones: =
los_pantalones: suck ass
mike_c: long puts = short difficulty
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321405 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35364022510.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.55293
mircea_popescu: seriously, the sort of imbecile that came up with this plan to push btc downwards on pure spin, while the diff is up bitbet is pointing the other way...
mircea_popescu: think more, desk people. hire BingoBoingo. do something, on your own you're worthless.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/050WY6P.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: %ob
atcbot: 45k@282 8k@260 2k@245 | 80k@198 6k@194 12k@190
BingoBoingo: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 221 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 181
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300997.11 in 1009 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.97
ThickAsThieves: maybe one day i'll be employable
ThickAsThieves: til then, blowstamps!
mircea_popescu: gotta build it.
mircea_popescu: you don't become employable by aging, you're not wine.
ThickAsThieves: was kinda joking
ThickAsThieves: i'm employable, just not by you
ThickAsThieves: nor do i really want to be employed
ThickAsThieves: in the literal sense at least
Duffer1: scotland polls closed, counting time
ThickAsThieves: rather, in the contemporary sense
mircea_popescu: well sure but one never know what kids be reading, get the wrong idea.
ThickAsThieves: indeed
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu
los_pantalones: https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/will-bitbet-us-berkshire-resolve-to-yes/
assbot: Place prediction on: Will Bitbet.us Berkshire bet resolve to YES
los_pantalones: bet on the bet
los_pantalones: on the bet
nubbins`: heh
BingoBoingo: Best Marketing Evar!!!
los_pantalones: or is this blatant theft of contract specs ?
BingoBoingo: http://mentalfloss.com/article/58829/good-honest-football-re-watching-xfl
assbot: Good, Honest Football: Re-Watching the XFL | Mental Floss
BingoBoingo: los_pantalones: No, great Marketing on BitBet that its competitors have to make bets on BitBet bets
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.93, Best ask: 428.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 21423.75818318, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.700539902
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.5, vol: 21444.53124745 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.747, vol: 13295.37209 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.62, vol: 37599.14920367 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.956013, vol: 30340.54810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.18147, vol: 18.12199892 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.036238742, vol: 167.41885582 | Volume-weighted last average: 427.423087606
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones lol k
mircea_popescu: i suppose its sensible, bitbet is a good signal source.
mircea_popescu: better than the usg at any rate/
mircea_popescu: <los_pantalones> or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? << nah, bitbet is designed/intended as a backstop for an infinity of independent repackagers/customer oriented bookies and assorted venues.
mircea_popescu: let people serve their own customers as best they can, and let them have a liquid and powerful marketplace where to unload unwanted risk.
mircea_popescu: it's a winning model.
mircea_popescu: also completely winds kakobrekla's gui arguments, but this time from the right direction :))
los_pantalones: welp, tempus fuck it, i'm out of here
los_pantalones: night boys
asciilifeform wonders why folks always say they'd like to be 'employable' rather than 'fed and sheltered'
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between being loved and being useful.
asciilifeform: the common rat, mouse, is neither loved nor useful, fed & sheltered still.
mircea_popescu: no, the mouse feeds itself.
asciilifeform: from your kitchen, yes.
mircea_popescu: "your"
mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't as your as all that.
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: might of mouse makes right.
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asciilifeform: !b 6
thestringpuller: look at mp and asciilifeform droppin' dat wisdom shit up in here
mircea_popescu: "This event was created to demonstrate the different betting systems. We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site."
mircea_popescu: wtf must one be smoking lol
asciilifeform: speaking of whizzdum - recently read about 'luer's connector' and discovered that some of today's medicine men are campaigning to have it abolished. because dumbshit orderlies can't be trusted not to plug an x hose into a y port (e.g., x == blood 'in' and y == piss 'out')
asciilifeform: so homo americanus answers, gotta have 11111enty different plugs, one for each bodily secretion, medical concoction, and direction of desired flow
asciilifeform: stimulate economy !11!
mircea_popescu: this is how gasoline works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, petrol vs diesel, yes
mircea_popescu: it has actually happened to me once that dumbass gas station kid put diesel in gasoline v8 engine
mircea_popescu: at a time that was rare and expensive.
mircea_popescu: i also know first hand of a case where sleepy truck driver put gasoline in his truck. figured it out after ~200 liters in. had to suck it back out
mircea_popescu: took a day.
asciilifeform: afaik you can still do that with the american nozzles
mircea_popescu: in europe it's mostly impossible to fit them x-way
ThickAsThieves: "We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site. " i cant even think of what that might mean
ThickAsThieves: that theyll get 2000btc+?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: maybe they figure starting over at weight 100k is somehow going to overrule starting over at 0 pool.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: line operators must be protected from themselves, too, lest the company be held liable for their idiocy. "actuation button A 2.5 ft to the right of press, B 2.5 to the left, press does not fire unless both actuation buttons are pressed together"
ben_vulpes: i always enjoyed imagining the creative ways people might try to circumvent my anti-idiot devices.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.
ben_vulpes: probably the only enjoyable part of that job.
ben_vulpes: now i've given up on jobs being enjoyable.
asciilifeform: typically at the end of the day there's a crowbar strategically holding down both...
ben_vulpes: gotta release the press eventually.
asciilifeform: also,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#785329☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2014 04:57:13; asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless
asciilifeform: ^ originally described in one of naggum's pieces
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it usually comes down to duct tape
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1304 @ 0.00071999 = 0.9389 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.08, Best ask: 420.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 419.08, 24 hour volume: 22116.05561929, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 430.465775042
mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/217/
assbot: xkcd: e to the pi Minus pi
mircea_popescu: old xkcd's are much better.
TheNewDeal: ;;calc e^pi-pi
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/227/ here's one for you.
assbot: xkcd: Color Codes
mircea_popescu: ;;calc e**pi-pi
gribble: 19.9990999792
asciilifeform: ahah
asciilifeform: yeah i remember that one..
asciilifeform: goes great with lawrence oates and his 'I am just going outside and may be some time.'
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/no-apple-probably-didnt-get-new-secret-govt-orders-to-hand-over-data/ << Apple's warrant canary disappears, No Big Deal is the report
assbot: No, Apple probably didnt get new secret govt orders to hand over data | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: im behind. what canary ?
bounce: the canary got NSLed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know the notice that says you haven't been issued a warrant, that disappears when you have. Apple's diappeared.
mircea_popescu: i didn't know there was a notice
mircea_popescu: where is this notice ?
BingoBoingo: Here's a sample one. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt I've never seen apple's but Ars is reporting it disappeared
mircea_popescu: "While Apple won't confirm it, the company has removed its warrant canary from its latest transparency report, issued this week. While this could mean that the company has received a new secret government order to provide user data, there is still another more likely possibility: it's not publishing warrant canaries at all."
mircea_popescu: more probable on the basis of what the fuck exactly ?
mircea_popescu: jesus that country's gotten more byzantine
mircea_popescu: this is some prime soviet rib
BingoBoingo: It really is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
mircea_popescu: i had somehow completely missed this particular spot
mircea_popescu: likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits
BingoBoingo: lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm4omt
assbot: apoefjmqdsfls comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us
BingoBoingo: Oh wikipedia has a recycling bin http://wikibin.org/articles/mircea-popescu.html
assbot: Mircea Popescu
[]bot: Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" http://bitbet.us/bet/1045/
chetty: <mircea_popescu> likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits// that will be the day
mircea_popescu: lol
TheNewDeal: yes pays 1.46... dayam
ThickAsThieves: Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" /// noooooooooo
ThickAsThieves: bitbet hurricane insurance open for business!
TheNewDeal: hahaha. maybe nfl injury is next
ThickAsThieves: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3470#comic
assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
kakobrekla: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm6d3x
assbot: TeamFairlay comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us
kakobrekla: so eager.
kakobrekla: first fairlay, then moose responds...
TheNewDeal: and then betmoose follows
TheNewDeal: hahah
TheNewDeal: funny because people were just talking about scamsites that disappear over night, e.g. bitco.in
TheNewDeal: " placed a small bet on No early on, due to the weight. I believe the bet will resolve as Yes, but the payout on No was great at the time.
TheNewDeal: I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla will end up with them killing each other over who's the real true inheritor of bitbet
ThickAsThieves: so many posts in that reddit start with 'i dont have a clue wtf i'm talmbout, but..."
mircea_popescu: "but I'm on reddit, so" ?
ThickAsThieves: "but i'm hoping you'll think so anyway"
mircea_popescu: that smbc comic is basically bitbet bet process.
TheNewDeal: some bets do need lots of clarification, almost immediately
asciilifeform: in the style of mircea_popescu's 'cryptogram' puzzlers:
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/0n41XZQ
assbot: Kriptogram! - Imgur
ThickAsThieves: teamfairlay = we are awesomer because you can bet however you want, with 100s of satoshis on the line!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one word ?
asciilifeform: only hint - pertains to something actually discussed today.
asciilifeform: two words.
kakobrekla: not a waterfall ?
mircea_popescu: eaglecanaris lol
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nearly ruined it
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/cointerra-16nm-shiva-asic/
mircea_popescu: IM TRYING TO SOLVE IT!
TheNewDeal: united nazis
mircea_popescu: nah it has to do with apple
mircea_popescu: american canaries ?
asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo can solve it now
ThickAsThieves: veblen canary?
mircea_popescu: seal canaries ?
kakobrekla: the flags looks like waterfall to me.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's a waterscam
ThickAsThieves: motherland canaries
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VJqmxJW3 << answer rot13'd
assbot: jneenag pnanevrf - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: damn
ThickAsThieves: neato
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol now you know how i felt.
mircea_popescu: for about a year running, 100 or so of these
mircea_popescu: people solved them in ~1 hour.
mircea_popescu: took me days to come up with them
asciilifeform: this one sorta forced itself into my skullcase
mircea_popescu: yup same thing.
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/man-in-standoff-with-texas-police-is-sending-live-updat-1636550134
assbot: Man in Standoff With Texas Police Is Sending Live Updates From Whisper
mircea_popescu: best thing that could ever happen for whisper.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before they start paying people to do this
mircea_popescu: "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
asciilifeform: laugh if you like, but this sod did not sign with key known to be his...
mircea_popescu: heh. bad government can ruin anything.
asciilifeform: so he's really an extra in this film.
mircea_popescu: wtf is kinja
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ""We have confirmation from the interior of the vehicle that this is indeed the guy in the standoff," Slade Sohmer"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's Nick Denton's Facebook knockoff, except super scam
mircea_popescu: i guess the vehicle is spying on him
kakobrekla: ok ok i got it: american waterfall watering nazi zombies!
kakobrekla: yes?
BingoBoingo: Waterboard Canary
asciilifeform: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/01/20/scotland-leaves-what-happens-flag/ny0XThnF8rUdPk5UlDUXkI/story.html
assbot: If Scotland leaves, what happens to UK’s flag? - Ideas - The Boston Globe
mircea_popescu: why no country has a naked woman for a flag ?
asciilifeform: someone - has to be first.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/
mircea_popescu: i can totally see making stoya the flag of england.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's not a museum; it's a typical medieval-style reliquary.
asciilifeform: 'sh4rds of th3 tru3 cr0ss'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: typical of both roman & greek church folks, oddly enough.