xanthyos: ;;rate thomas_d 2 really good at poker and gpg contract signing for a new guy.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thomas_d has changed from 1 to 2.
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2014#907114 Thank you.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2014 21:05:38; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute
kakobrekla: those are easy to block
thestringpuller: coinbr isn't wordpress how is it getting pingback?
jurov: - - [16/Nov/2014:22:08:27 +0000] "GET /login HTTP/1.1" 444 0 "-" "WordPress/3.9.2; http://andybarrforcongress.com; verifying pingback from" ""
jurov: ^ like this
kakobrekla: yea
ben_vulpes: xanthyos: d'you plan to endeedify that that contract?
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/1o7co53.jpg
ben_vulpes: suspiciously simple.
kakobrekla: your favorite news outlet is up
xanthyos: ben_vulpes: i just googled "endeedify" adn the only 2 results were from assets log. i plan no endeedification for a .001 poker tournament
kakobrekla: i also get http://www.wordreference.com/ende/edify
assbot: edify - Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch - WordReference.com
ben_vulpes: xanthyos: it's really easy, just
ben_vulpes: .deed <link to clearsigned contract>
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Error: '<link' is not a valid http url.
xanthyos: .deed http://users.silenceisdefeat.net/~xanthyos/pokercontract11162014.txt
punkbot: xanthyos: No valid deeds found, try again.
ben_vulpes: xanthyos: https://anduck.net/ducktest.txt << like that
kakobrekla: mingw32 alert!
xanthyos: last time i signed a contract the signature was around the whole contents
xanthyos: idk what happened this time
ben_vulpes: gpg --clearsign
ben_vulpes: vs --detach-sig
ben_vulpes: .deed http://users.silenceisdefeat.net/~xanthyos/retrocontract.txt
punkbot: ben_vulpes: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
undata: "within 24 hours of acquiring funds for repayment" << so, like, whenever?
ben_vulpes: it'd seem that way, undata
ben_vulpes: https://blockchain.info/tx/325613a4b0882570b4265f879ea0eec1130986ba3cdb49c2dc2e2ab977175f55
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 325613a4b0882570b4265f879ea0eec1130986ba3cdb49c2dc2e2ab977175f55
undata: not bad terms for a loan between friends, otherwise...
undata rolls up his newspaper, thonks a keybase.io user
ben_vulpes: yeah where can i find more keybase users to whack
jurov: http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/changemafiademotivator.jpg
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: didn't you hear? keybase.io is the future of GPG
thestringpuller: even jgarzik thinks GPG should die!
xanthyos: blame danielpbarron for setting me up with a keybase.io gpg key when he recruited me
undata: danielpbarron: THONK!
asciilifeform: lol! someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?!
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I was as surprised
xanthyos: i'd change it but i don't want to risk losing my identity
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's because keyservers don't have CSS donchano
asciilifeform waits to see who is using 'clipper chip'
undata: xanthyos: that is what is currently at risk.
Apocalyptic: xanthyos, there's a ,,echangekey gribble command to change the associated key to your WoT account
thestringpuller: ;;echangekey
gribble: (echangekey <keyid>) -- Changes your GPG registered key to <keyid>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. You must be authenticated in order to use this (1 more message)
kakobrekla: someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?! < no surprise there
BingoBoingo wouldn't mind having Clipper Ship
xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there
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kakobrekla: !b 1
Apocalyptic: why on earth would you generate a key outside of your system ?
kakobrekla: to get in the bash ez
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kakobrekla: !b 2
asciilifeform: http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/mistakesdemotivator.jpg
thestringpuller: that's depressing
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/razzledazzle/
assbot: Razzle-dazzle
gernika: BingoBoingo I think Yasha Levine is male.
nubbins`: hi
BingoBoingo: Oh
xanthyos: it's all i was taught
xanthyos: again, blame dpb
asciilifeform: dimunitive of 'jacob'
xanthyos: i'm trying to generate a key now
xanthyos: on a slow machine
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/lpIrYSr <<< i'd raid that fucking thing for parts.
assbot: 'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they were superbly made.
BingoBoingo: gernika: Updated it to use the first name.
nubbins`: it was sound amplification that introduced me to the joy of a well-made knob
ben_vulpes: are rectangular knobs cool?
ben_vulpes: to me they scream "i can't make stuff"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: knobs << yet another reason to own a lathe.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes they're shaped like nintendo wii, what do you think
nubbins`: asciilifeform what, making body jewelry for the kids isn't lucrative enough?
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ZWfLNJM << from same shop
assbot: lathe - Imgur
ben_vulpes: it seems like the rectangular knobs are used for discrete settings and the round ones for continuous settings?
ben_vulpes: now that's a lathe
nubbins`: what a beast
asciilifeform: there was an even bigger one there
asciilifeform didn't buy either. can't transport, can't supply 3phase
nubbins`: ben_vulpes i think the round ones look indexed as well
thestringpuller: what does the turd lathe look like?
ben_vulpes: they do don't they, nubbins`
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: turd lathe << ask jurov
nubbins`: coulda just put the dots there for a laff, i guess
ben_vulpes backs away slowly
ben_vulpes: clearly cohesion in operator interface was not a design goal for this machine.
xanthyos: shit just overwrote something important i can't undo
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ben_vulpes: !b 1
asciilifeform: the round knobs turned smoothly.
nubbins`: ah
ben_vulpes: !
nubbins`: are those DIN connectors for the inputs?
ben_vulpes: dots for laffs
xanthyos: made it like it was a huge issue to change my key now and i'm not up for it
asciilifeform: iirc din, yes
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> dots for laffs <<< wouldn't be the first time
nubbins`: speaking of DIN, i've got this tiny korg synthesizer, with all-analog voice circuitry
nubbins`: it's got a tiny chip inside to control a sequencer
nubbins`: has MIDI functionality built in, the only thing they didn't do was wire up a DIN port.
ben_vulpes: xanthyos: you should back your .gnupg dir up before doing *anything* to it.
ben_vulpes: maybe not adding others' keys to your keyring but...pretty much anything else until you're comfortable with the process.
nubbins`: incidentally, korg released the schematics for the synth as well as a couple others
xanthyos: i haven't lost data
xanthyos: just the convenient way i had it organized
jurov: ;;google turd lathe
gribble: Bird Turd Jesus: Ohio Man Jim Lawry Says Dropping On His ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/25/bird-turd-jesus_n_2759963.html>; Alex Wetmore is always busy with something… » Cargo Turd: <http://alexwetmore.org/?cat=339>; Help me design my CNC lathe - CNC Zone: <http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/240884-help-design-cnc-lathe.html>
xanthyos: everything is backed up that needs to be backed up, except for the specific way i like things presented to me in directories
nubbins`: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39099&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=8fa7e6356837697bb30abd24276b3b7a
nubbins`: ^ for music/hardware mod buffs
ben_vulpes: muff wiggler eh
nubbins`: like 1/4 of the way through the thread people are posting pics of their diy "mod chips" ;D
nubbins`: but seriously, korg helpfully labelled all the interesting mod points on ths board
nubbins`: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/userpix/1263_pcb_explaination_1.jpg
nubbins`: watta company
nubbins`: thestringpuller looks like your pkg is in ny
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: took that long to cross the border?
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: anyway canada post says tomorrow, but i don't think a package is gonna get from a sort facility in nyc to your door in a day
nubbins`: o hi
nubbins`: duod yuor website is borken
mircea_popescu: it's not broken for me!11
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: "my roof isn't on fire here in the basement!
mircea_popescu: i guess we get to know what solipsism really is. turns out mp really doesn't give a shit as long as he himself can see his website.
nubbins`: the solipsistic soliloquist
mircea_popescu: if you wanna pm me an ip i can whitelist it.
nubbins`: a polimedia venture
nubbins`: guess i'll see what sort of lease i get on these things
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess the tarpitting may be too aggrssive at the edges or w/e. anyway. anyone else want whitelisted lemme know.
mircea_popescu: decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" <<< im not even sure anyone groks the botomless pit of lulz this otherwise truthful statement contains.
mircea_popescu: where is your lizzard hitler nao, asciilifeform ?
BingoBoingo: Probably sunning himself on some rocks, like lizard hitler does
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' <<< what else is the 80/20 software engineering approach than "build 80% of a functional program out of 20% of the budget and then try to pretend like we're selling it for "half price" ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile after 20 iterations of this, one every year and a half,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .8 ** 20
gribble: 0.0115292150461
mircea_popescu: o look! one percent!
mircea_popescu: and you know what the best part of it is ? meanwhile inflation...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .2 ** 20
gribble: 0
mircea_popescu: ahem. i mean.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .5 ** 20
gribble: 9.53674316406e-07
mircea_popescu: o look! we can print 10 million dollars to the dollar and inflation is pretty much even! because reasons!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile corporate profits...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .5 ** 20 / .2 ** 20
gribble: 90949470.1773
mircea_popescu: whoa look at the corporate profits!11 wall street is best street!
mircea_popescu: and so today you can buy an icecream cone like you could in the 80s, except : that it is "the same icecream" that's 1% icecream, that you buy it for "the same dollars" that have been inflated 10mn to one and that all this allowed imaginary profits nobody can spent to be safely stored where such things are usually stored : fort knox, the social security, people's pensions...
nubbins`: pensions are so 20th century
mircea_popescu: defo.
nubbins`: i expect to see them vanish as a concern in my lifetime
mircea_popescu: well they're only hanging by the thread of pretense as it is.
nubbins`: not even that, in many cases
mircea_popescu: like those slumlord fire hidrants, they're red and they're safelt there
mircea_popescu: for as long as no fires.
nubbins`: there have been several "take half your pension or take none of it
nubbins`: " type situations in these parts, the past couple years
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu: links ?
nubbins`: maybe still winding thru arbitration. i'll dig
nubbins`: ok this was actually a couple years ago
nubbins`: http://bondpapers.wordpress.com/category/cbppl/
nubbins`: govt coffers in a bad way as well: http://themuse.ca/2014/04/02/debt-and-unfunded-pension-liabilities-threaten-provinces-finances/
nubbins`: and federally: http://www.cfib-fcei.ca/english/article/4034-canada-s-hidden-unfunded-public-sector-pension-liabilities.html
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: i didn't know it actually got THIS bad.
nubbins`: same outlook as social insurance (social security for yanqis), but from a different angle
nubbins`: "well if my old-age pension won't be there, at least i'll have my... uh.."
mircea_popescu: reddit account.
mircea_popescu: full of reddit gld.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: at least we've got our natural resourc...OH FUCK
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is your announcement that happened in nov - dec 2012 saying you were selling more shares of MPOE on MPEx?
thestringpuller: it was slightly before the "MPOE is likely monetizing itself" article
nubbins`: "Provincial budgeting has been off by an average of $800 million a year over the past seven years, largely due to inaccurate oil projections."
mircea_popescu: just read the mpex category neh ?
thestringpuller: i will when butthurt ddoser decides to stop ruining the nice things for us
nubbins`: he's outta credits
nubbins`: incidentally, my trilema cookie was the one thing i didn't save when i wiped this machine
thestringpuller: i backed my trilema cookie up via gpg on a bunch of sites like dropbox
thestringpuller: since I lost it twice in 2012
asciilifeform: pension << 'the last bullet health'n'life-insurance-and-pension co.'
asciilifeform: lizard hitler << at 'meta-nsa' naturally, where else
asciilifeform: (for folks who want a more 'upbeat' figure as an example for a leaf of living matter inside bureaucratic garbage compactor - try korolev.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, how does korolev fit in your analysis of 'how much would satan have to pay to be loved' ?
asciilifeform: or lev theremin, for that matter
mircea_popescu: i thought it was "evil governmen t" not stan ?
asciilifeform: satan
asciilifeform: fact is, we have numerous historic examples of folks who did first-class creative work while prisoners.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller try nao ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah. it doesn't fit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so it would follow that usg has a model recipe to follow.
asciilifeform: all it has to do is 'supply the chicken'
mircea_popescu: yes. the man who wants to make woman cheese has a recipe to follow : https://shanachan.org/fetish/res/11776.html
mircea_popescu: whether this is workable or not is in the end their problem.
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asciilifeform: !b 2
xanthyos: woah wtf
thestringpuller: oh boy stuff is loading!
mircea_popescu: in the end the whole discussion neatly reduces to whether men are more like cows or more like mice.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos if you ever want to get a militant feminist rabid, tell her to stop bitching about dairy farm conditions, it's just patriarchy's dry run for her and her kind.
mircea_popescu: that usually keeps them for a good half hour.
hanbot: mircea_popescu: hanbot mail the man would you. << so emailed.
decimation: excellent!
decimation: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/the_parable_of_the_tail_with_no_teeth.pdf << another amusing gem
decimation: asciilifeform: "supply chicken" << I get the general impression that the 'chicken' volunteers
decimation: I'm not really sure usg even knows how to 'supply'
decimation: as a gradually larger portion of the 'sane class' in the us begins to perceive usg as more of an enemy than a friend, I suspect the quality of 'chicken' will degrade further.
xanthyos: mircea_popescu: it's a shame you're not on twitter anymore with that content
mircea_popescu: decimation it is usually how it works in practice.
mircea_popescu: mind that the fact that it so works in practice is no actual proof.
mircea_popescu: for all we know, it is *possible* it dun happen this time. wink wink.
decimation: http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3565869.shtml
assbot: Video shows two men's confrontation with NSA recruiter at UNM | KOB.com
decimation: I suspect that pre-snowden, this kind of thing rarely happened
asciilifeform: decimation: lol!!
asciilifeform: where is my nsa beating!?
decimation: another lol http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/17/how-the-nsa-recruits-in-a-post-snowden-world.html << "“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation,” admitted former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden last July. “The challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs.”"
assbot: How the NSA Recruits in a Post-Snowden World - The Daily Beast
asciilifeform watched, disappointed, no beating
undata: tut tut, hapless romantics
decimation: yeah the actual video is pretty lame
decimation: annoy the shit out of some gov't clerk, he lashes out, news at 11
asciilifeform: 'why did you choose to come and heckle a government agency, which is honestly trying to recruit?!'
decimation: asciilifeform: can you imagine a similar conversation at a soviet university at the kgb recruiting desk?
asciilifeform: decimation: can you picture a kgb recruiting desk?
asciilifeform: decimation: this is not how things worked.
decimation: exactly. Thus, the quality of chicken
mircea_popescu: "from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs." < < the sweetest sugar of etatism,
decimation: mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realize either
mircea_popescu: "that people who hate us, in principle, exactly for what we are, are a REALLY small fraction"
mircea_popescu: well, fatlogic.
asciilifeform: magic combo of hate + ability + balls, note. small fraction.
undata: "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not what the man said.
undata: grrr... bad paste
decimation: although to be fair, I'm sure in his world as long as he has some poll that implies that 50% of usian support whatever he is planning to do, he would consider it 'legitimate'
undata: "Potter says he is still deciding if he will press charges for assault." << this is weak
asciilifeform: usg is an 'oderint, dum metuant' kinda thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation indeed, up until that point where i make a poll where 200mn vote for him to surgically attach a cow vagina on his forehead
mircea_popescu: sudenly the entire polling thing won't be as legitimate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's nonsense. nobody fears it.
mircea_popescu: and nobody hates it, either. the usg is widely despised, and in some quarters reviled.
decimation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/transcript-61/ << hayden 'in the moment' << "And Michael Hayden goes home after briefing the president and the vice president about his ideas for expanding surveillance and takes a walk with his wife. ... "And when it gets public, it’s going to be very controversial. And the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing.” And
assbot: Transcript | United States of Secrets | FRONTLINE | PBS
decimation: she said, “Uh-huh. Is it the right thing to do?” “Yeah, I think so.” She said, “OK, we’ll deal with that when it comes.”"
mircea_popescu: what'd you want the woman to say.
decimation: I guess my point is, if you are looking for 'lizard hitler', here he is - a couple of high level derps decide they can 'get away with X' and convince themselves that 'it's the right thing'
mircea_popescu: this is not what would fill that costume.
mircea_popescu: in that it's neither a lizard nor hitler.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922788☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:54:02; assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? << anyone respond to this?
mircea_popescu: nope.
thestringpuller: i think i can get an inquiry with him
mircea_popescu: that's ok.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, but they still have to be... you know, NOT wet pasta.
asciilifeform: tenure revokes itself, car bombs plant themselves, nailguns - fire themselves, of course. and single-engine airplanes go down regularly for no particular reason.
thestringpuller: ah. what did you want with the namecoin guy?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wanted to see if anyone knows him. "can get an inquiry with" is the opposite of that.
thestringpuller: he's in wot you kno?
decimation: asciilifeform: if 'lizard hitler' is a physical entity, he's probably not working for usg
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust khal
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user khal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=khal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=khal | Rated since: Tue May 10 13:27:55 2011
decimation: at least not as an employee
asciilifeform: employer.
mircea_popescu: decimation it'd be the big bad, by definition. it only exists conceptually to accomodate asciilifeform's rampant pareidolia :D
asciilifeform: at any rate, physical 'hitlers' are not a necessary hypothesis. ussr was perfectly capable of plugging a poor sod on a london bridge with poison umbrella, without competent leadership
asciilifeform: empire can commit any kind of elaborate crimes without leader. only thing it can't do without leader is - survive in long term
asciilifeform: but that's a separate puzzle
decimation: asciilifeform: the best explanation for that kind of thing would be some low-level derp with a hard-on for a particular agenda, who initiates - and the rest of the bureaucracy 'leads from behind'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could say teh plugging with ricin episode was the result of competent kgb leadership neh ?
decimation: or the polonium?
mircea_popescu: o hey, beat at it again...
asciilifeform: competent leadership in one particular lab - yes
mircea_popescu: xanthyos what's tinychat ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute << did it do anything ?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there <<< "your".
decimation: at any rate nailguns, cars, polonium, ricin, these smack of a weak sovereign, not a strong one. who asked anyone in the 'chinese government' before they did something in Shanghai circa 1920?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "can nobody rid me of this insolent priest"
gribble: Will No One Rid Me Of This Modified Noun-Phrase? | Josh Millard ...: <http://www.joshmillard.com/2010/05/12/will-no-one-rid-me-of-this-modified-noun-phrase/>; Pageant Post Cards: <http://www.auelib.aichi-edu.ac.jp/lib/postcards/pagent.html>; Our Anglican Roots: St. Thomas Becket - Free Republic: <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1456082/posts>
decimation: 'becket' was actually a decent movie
asciilifeform: public wetwork, chattering newspapers - weak king; private discreet beheading now and again - strong.
mircea_popescu: it's a much better play.
decimation: mircea_popescu: which play, the private beheading?
mircea_popescu: it's a joke i was hoping to get in the bash.
mircea_popescu: cause samuel, see.
asciilifeform: this is much like judging restaurant quality by inverse of count of mousetraps.
asciilifeform: at best, a one-way measure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more like, judging dentist by inverse count of loud screams on the premises ; plastic surgeon by inverse count of lawsuits.
mircea_popescu: knew a chick that did both, she had superb tits and splendid teeth.
asciilifeform: or let's try a degenerate case - hassan i sabbah
asciilifeform: governed entirely by dagger-in-the-night
asciilifeform: worked well enough.
asciilifeform: every little boy wants to be an intelligence chief; but every intelligence chief - wants to be hassan.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you may be conflating things. guy a) lived on a mountain ; b) among an ethnically opressed majority that he supported ; c) against a technologically advanced foreign power.
mircea_popescu: the rest's just icing, much like saying "robin hood governed Sherwood County by arrow."
mircea_popescu: first off, sherwood was a ... wood.
asciilifeform: ^ yes
xanthyos: mircea_popescu: tinychat is a badly coded insecure site where degenerates go on webcam to be codependent alcoholics and prey on underage girls
mircea_popescu: so basically social media
xanthyos: if you didn't want to play chess against birdman with that gui i doubt you'd want to load tinychat
xanthyos: yes
asciilifeform: that film of the recruiter monkey parroting nsa verbiage was memorably pathetic
asciilifeform: what must it be like to be, literally, employed as human tape deck ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask diana what's her name, the sec senior counsel chick.
mircea_popescu: heck, ask obama.
decimation: asciilifeform: all powers to say things are reserved to the top tier of usg
decimation: obama has to ask valarie jarret
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: decimation admire this funny : early frankish kings were physically weak in a world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring bodyguards, which was convenient. for charlemagne.
mircea_popescu: early us kings were intellectually weak, in world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring "pr", people to protect them from the deep waters of speech and thought.
mircea_popescu: which was convenient. for...
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31ZFBVT.txt )
asciilifeform: !b 3
decimation: hehe yeah
decimation: we await our caesar
decimation: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/fire-valerie-jarrett-112659.html << " If her role in this administration reflected reality, Jarrett would be called “First Big Sister” to both Michelle and Barack. "
assbot: Fire Valerie Jarrett - Carol Felsenthal - POLITICO Magazine
decimation: I'm pretty sure obama just signs what he is told to sign and reads what he is told to read off the appropriate prompter
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#892643☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 04:44:03; asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"—applause. "O!"—an ovation. "O!!!"—the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
decimation: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100248221/bill-ayers-confesses-to-writing-obamas-memoir-he-didnt-but-his-tease-tells-us-a-lot-about-america/
assbot: Bill Ayers 'confesses' to writing Obama's memoir. He didn't, but his tease tells us a lot about America – Telegraph Blogs
decimation: the lady doth protest too much
asciilifeform: i once saw this man alive.
asciilifeform: was more or less exactly as i imagined.
decimation: who Ayers?
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: crazy hippie bomber?
asciilifeform: no
asciilifeform: 'resistance through culture' as described in mircea_popescu's articles
decimation: yeah Obama is pretty much the peak achievement of that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for them
mircea_popescu is confused.
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in the us there is a context of the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now
mircea_popescu: ah
decimation: obama is their wet dream, in the sense that they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions
asciilifeform: actually they all entered 'public life' long ago, as the most loathesomely loyal cocksuckers imaginable.
decimation: in 'public life', they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at the time
decimation: this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and the fact that they and their friends razed the world in wwii)
thestringpuller: fdr's usg, but a lot more bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: well, not this, that.
asciilifeform: decimation: in wwii << after invention of nuke, they realized that much as they would love to repeat the performance again and again as necessary, might put their own arses in peril. so - settled for a slow and continuous version of this.
mircea_popescu: decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman, there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set themselves ablaze. the 12th puts them out by running into them backwards then continues to run backwards into things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on the ground.
mircea_popescu: if those are your two choices, who do you vote most likely to succeed ?
decimation: good point
mircea_popescu: by practical standards, the us did really well in the 20th century.
decimation: sure, in terms of trade, production, etc
mircea_popescu: even in terms of... not... pouring gasoline on own head and lighting it. twice.
decimation: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00133.html << lol, this kind of bellyaching over.. systemd?
thestringpuller: doesn't surprise me after discussions here...
decimation: "Everyone is conservative about what he knows best. " << Conquest's first law of politics
mircea_popescu: decimation one of the most interesting aspects of systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc.
mircea_popescu: technologically it's about as notable as windows notepad, but sociologically... wow, ze goldmine.
mircea_popescu: "Today, now, before the results are announced, we have an opportunity to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of the spirit in which we'd like to work together." << lmao fuck that.
mircea_popescu: who wants to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are these people, retards ?
decimation: yeah, if anything this is a loud bell ringing to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's the time to exit!"
mircea_popescu: "I'm hoping that we can all take a few minutes to gain empathy for those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight to the uranium mines.
mircea_popescu: "Then I'm hoping we can use that understanding to
mircea_popescu: reassure them that they are valued and respected and their concerns
mircea_popescu: considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with them or valuing
mircea_popescu: different things."
mircea_popescu: i mewan look at that hollow, empty bullshit.
mircea_popescu: "oh, so you want to wear pants ? fuck you, you're wearing a skirt.
mircea_popescu: aaaaaaaaaaaaand, you're valued and respected. bitch."
mircea_popescu: this is the ultimate theft, these people are trying to introduce into the world. they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow,
mircea_popescu: but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from"
mircea_popescu: to steal a concept, what a riotous approach.
decimation: I don't think any future historian will fail to notice the parallels between this and usg's way of doing business
mircea_popescu: who is this fuckface ayway ?
mircea_popescu: the kerberos guy ? uh.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm the only one privy to the history of that protocol ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps an instructive case study as to how usg protocol confiscation works in the field.
decimation: I think kerberos came from mit right?
decimation: sam hartman is some developer I guess, but somehow has 'influence'
mircea_popescu: decimation kerberos was developed by mit in the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as the usg was going to (again) change its export restriction in 2000,
mircea_popescu: the gutted thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university
mircea_popescu: then a few years later windows migrated to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol
decimation: it's still a nightmare to deploy to this day, for sure
decimation: indeed it did
mircea_popescu: sam hartman is a 30something nobody, roughly speaking a debian gmaxwell
mircea_popescu: except he's not fat, he's blind.
decimation: in fact one of the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is that it can 'hook up to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb ticket server
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: im completely unclear as to why the fuck usg wants the "one computer system" so badly anyway.
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
decimation: mircea_popescu: the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells
thestringpuller: decimation: what about jgarzik's?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. bbs.
decimation: well, considering usg employs 4 million people, I suspect there is at least one of each http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/
mircea_popescu: fuckign to-feeling arguments in THE MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN LISTS.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to save here. just burn the entire stack where it stands an' that's that.
joecool: apt-get purge feelings
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, that letter is an exact summary of everything that's wrong with the english language space.
mircea_popescu: There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of times in the TC, on debian-vote and on his blog, this is about tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if the project's values are aligned with theirs. When they take that as far as saying the project made the "right decision" or rejected "bad options," they are not valuing the contributions of those who disagreed with them.
mircea_popescu: i mean check it out. "there's no wrong thing" now.
mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is not to discover the wrong alternatives, or the right alternatives.
mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is to suck each other off
mircea_popescu: and then driveby's have the unmitigated audacity to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like that!
mircea_popescu: five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is the exactly ONLY reason the US even exists in the first place, down the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands."
mircea_popescu: let's fucking "value each other's" banana peels and sing koombaya.
mats_cd03 sings softly
thestringpuller joins in singing
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me clear teh usg-debian believes it got the votes
mircea_popescu: someone should make a bitbet about it, i'd throw a few cents.
asciilifeform: insult to perfectly adequate monkeys, who fight and occasionally settle matters in their monkey bands
mats_cd03: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, at some point im gotta have to insult some unfortunate bystanding trashbag or something, or else collapse into A = A circularity.
mats_cd03: poor guy. cut outta the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus?
mircea_popescu: "boy that sam h sounds just like a sam h"
asciilifeform: lol
mats_cd03: gotta loosen up on the mad ravings my good man
asciilifeform: debian compassion << cthonian horrors of the eldritch depths.
thestringpuller: sometimes the ravings of a madman is wisdom, other times just noise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you ever seen something this idiotic ?
decimation: it is a neat little experiment in 'infinite democracy'
mircea_popescu: i mean, the "other speeds more important to us" thing is nowhere near.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only mr. spam comes close
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this connects to the thread from earlier today re: patterns of speech.
thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <cazalla> i guess ddos is back :\
asciilifeform: kerberos << among the many deliberately complex edifices of the u.s. department of wintel.
asciilifeform: a 'mouse farm' (in the sense of my article 'don't blame the mice')
asciilifeform: of course, anyone with even a spitting familiarity with software crud world knows that lizard hitler does not need to order these into existence - they happen naturally
asciilifeform: if you simply gather enough filth in one place
asciilifeform: and let it go
thestringpuller: My University uses Kerberos everywhere for logging in.
asciilifeform: compare with, e.g., 'gribble auth'
asciilifeform: a sausage and a turd are rather different, even if both cylindrical and both given shape by a piece of gut
mircea_popescu: lol nice one.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's not just "gather enough filth in one place"
mircea_popescu: it's moreover "make cleanning illegal"
asciilifeform: well yes, how else will it stay gathered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
mircea_popescu: pretty much
mircea_popescu: they figure they thus improved on the soviets,
asciilifeform: 'we rape you but wait we didn't because you are not a you, one cannot rape furniture'
mircea_popescu: which merely took the cow, and the voice under duress
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about how the cock felt!11
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: if you were a cock - which you obviously are not bwahhhaha i need a minute here lmao - if you were a cock
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you want some tight ass too ? so then ?
decimation: 'we voted and this is the best course of action'
mircea_popescu: "have some empathy for the people who want to take a shit on the collected effort of the people you happen to respect! they're people too!"
mircea_popescu: except this'd be th every definition of not being people. if they were people they'd do something else for a living.
asciilifeform: we may not like the cancer cell, but it 'works'. debian - dead.
asciilifeform: resquiat in pace.
decimation: do something else < which is why debian is now dead, as ascii wrote
decimation: redhat is going down the same tube, in the long run
asciilifeform: the cancer will spread to wherever it can
asciilifeform: doesn't need an objective, or a plan
mircea_popescu: THEM. not fucking me jesus christ.
mircea_popescu: when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in the nose.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
nubbins`: but with debian dead, where do i turn
mircea_popescu: i propose in this case "not participation" is punching some blind twerp right in the face.
asciilifeform: if folks understood 'do not meet the enemy halfway' we would never have even heard of systemd.
asciilifeform: as such, you have to surgically remove its metastases even from a fresh 'gentoo'
asciilifeform: and if you forget to flip a switch - there it will be, staring right in your face
nubbins`: o.O osx comes with a python script that merges pdf files
decimation: lol I thought 'preview' did that
nubbins`: yeah, but you gotta do it one at a time that way
nubbins`: here i say join.py -o merged.pdf *.pdf
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 1 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy
nubbins`: and by the time i explain why this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
asciilifeform: ^ re: how the cancer rolls.
asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.
asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
mircea_popescu: top - 23:51:11 up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 5153.36, 3287.44, 1431.04
mircea_popescu: lel.
mircea_popescu: anyone ever seen better ?
nubbins`: dat load
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, there's a lot of value to teaching the controversy.
mircea_popescu: it just has to be a controversy between actual people.
asciilifeform: the phrase is a term of art from u.s. propaganda schools.
asciilifeform: being the first step of a recipe for convincing folks of something that would otherwise be readily apparent as lunacy
mircea_popescu: it is, true.
asciilifeform: see also, related, 'fear, uncertainty, and doubt.'
mircea_popescu: i have this baby in bathwater obsession, myself. "teaching the controversy" is just americanized, which is to say, "cut into bits and rubbed in shit" hegelian dialectics.
asciilifeform: well yes.
decimation: proto-marxism?
mircea_popescu: ymmv, but to my eyes it's perfectly good science.
mircea_popescu: (hegel's, that is)
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
nubbins`: ooo i shouldn't have used the wifi connection to send this print job
asciilifeform: at the very least, perfectly good chumpatronic engineering.
nubbins`: ;/
nubbins`: why!
nubbins`: actually there we go, wasn't so bad
thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you pm me tracking number again?
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;later tell ben_vulpes thanks. i did think that through...all those i had in mind casually follow things here but not enough to be rated/active - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915367☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved
RagnarDanneskjol: indeed
asciilifeform: can't say i didn't warn.
asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time
thestringpuller: one day I will make a book of your turdisms asciilifeform
thestringpuller: or maybe a comic strip...
asciilifeform: make comic of bitcoind
asciilifeform: (the real one, not the cthonian horror)
asciilifeform: in the style of larry gonick, i dare say
thestringpuller: but that isn't a turd!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up cascadian_herper
cascadian_herper: danke
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree?
nubbins`: -1.5.tar.gz
nubbins`: oops
thestringpuller: the best time to plant a tree is never, because they all die anyways
mircea_popescu: "I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway.
cascadian_herper: well shit just give up then
mircea_popescu: not really easy, doing this sort of thing.
decimation: the river of meat has spoken
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration
cascadian_herper: not troops who must be rounded
RagnarDanneskjol: most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations
RagnarDanneskjol: I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help
RagnarDanneskjol: dont want*
thestringpuller: "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves"
RagnarDanneskjol: !up cascadian_herper
cascadian_herper: merely illuminating parameters.
RagnarDanneskjol: understood
cascadian_herper: this web client is wholly inadequate
RagnarDanneskjol: which you using?
cascadian_herper: kiwi
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh. if you're on andro, andchat and halo are decent
cascadian_herper: not really motivated to irc on phnoe
mats_cd03: is nice reading material when pooping
TheNewDeal: best material wipes as well
mats_cd03: anyone keeping a running count of known USG coins?
mats_cd03: i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k
TheNewDeal: M_infinity ?
TheNewDeal: or like, could carry in large knapsack?
mats_cd03: er, bitcoins
mats_cd03: via confiscations and what not
TheNewDeal: ;;totalbc
gribble: 13509425.0
TheNewDeal: ;;interval 10000
gribble: (interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks.
TheNewDeal: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 31 15:21:25 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 36 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
TheNewDeal: ;;8ball
gribble: It is so.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists"
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm.
mircea_popescu: and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that.
mats_cd03: ok thanks
thestringpuller: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: $depth f.mpif
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000
thestringpuller: ;;ls
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
kakobrekla: demo test: http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/28ADNN6.txt )
kakobrekla: see link.
mircea_popescu: dpaste got no html mode ?
kakobrekla: who has
kakobrekla: ?
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/ < syntax highlight
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/ < idem
kakobrekla wont use non-raw
kakobrekla: makes my brain hurt
thestringpuller: links2 mode
kakobrekla: anyway how is this better http://pastebin.com/Xq8c3EeM
kakobrekla: looking at this, we can notice qntra has two </footer> tags, only one <footer>
kakobrekla: also one extra </div> that does not belog.
kakobrekla: belong
RagnarDanneskjol: that is a very nice feature add. raw is pretty tough on the eyes. at least you have some margin on standard paste and the option to show raw
kakobrekla still not convinced
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-alternatives-that-may-be-better-than-pastebin/
mircea_popescu: that's an interesting point.
RagnarDanneskjol searching for pasters I've seen supporting formatting
mircea_popescu: the footer
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 401.45, vol: 12782.62524050 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 8349.05923 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 401.84, vol: 28410.25447645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.361767, vol: 226201.84320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 3.89065 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.821, vol: 55.90373743 | Volume-weighted last average: 399.580880606
mircea_popescu: https://webproxy.vpnbook.com/browse.php?u=TgiS5wSPehNu94A3&b=0&f=norefer << also other than assbot, proxies for the lost.
assbot: Free Web Proxy ( http://dpaste.com/0RCYY6X.txt )
kakobrekla: that doesnt work
kakobrekla: they as well dont see dns
mircea_popescu: worked for me a second ago
kakobrekla: nohttp://shrani.si/f/2A/BG/mdCxKCv/err.png
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/qeLJ0DJa << how are these derps making it throiugh then lol
assbot: Host: / Http Code: 403Date: Nov 17 02:31:32Http Version: HTTP - Pastebin.com ( http://dpaste.com/060Y1NC.txt )
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
saifedean: good day everyone, how goes it?
mircea_popescu: same ol'.
saifedean: So a couple of my friends have started a Middle East bitcoin payment processor: http://yellowpay.co
assbot: Yellow | Bitcoin Payments in MENA ( http://dpaste.com/3FT7DWN.txt )
saifedean: any thoughts, advice, or searing critiques?
mircea_popescu: what's this, 2011 all over again ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust couple of friends
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
mircea_popescu: apparently it dun work like that.
RagnarDanneskjol: hahah
saifedean: im not asking for trust for these friends, just wondering what you folks think of this business model.
mircea_popescu: but, so far the business model is "dude where's my car"
mircea_popescu: like, what are these friends. are they cooks ? airplane pilots ?
saifedean: one used to work in tech companies, the other in bullshit management consulting. they both quit their jobs to work on this full time
RagnarDanneskjol: I recommend thy try to get their old jobs back 'fore its too late.. a 'no risk' exchange does sound rather amazing tho
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 330392 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 231 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40100157618.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.25365
mircea_popescu: saifedean the way that noobs usually work these things is, they put in some work for a few months, and while they're small whatever bank they lied to doesn't bother to notice.
mircea_popescu: then it yanks the plug and there goes the "business model"
RagnarDanneskjol: the world could use an updated, expanded 'so you wanna start a bitcoin business'
punkman: old one is still good
RagnarDanneskjol: indeed.. still, so much more could be said on the topic - and old one lives on tardstalk
RagnarDanneskjol: AND the author can no longer reply, so
mircea_popescu: speaking of old one, your friends happened ot read it saifedean ?
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
saifedean: i haven't read the old one, where is it?
RagnarDanneskjol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0
assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ( http://dpaste.com/2GKAS1Q.txt )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-mighty-wind/ << if anyone's not seen that, i heartily recommend.
assbot: A Mighty Wind pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( http://dpaste.com/1H25BAB.txt )
saifedean: "Access Denied (content_filter_denied) Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Games""
saifedean: trilema is classified as games by my university, MP!
mircea_popescu: games ?!
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
saifedean: imma email this to our network administrator: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/138/089/1308693297001.jpg
assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/3A3JP03.txt )
RagnarDanneskjol: game of thrones moreliek
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/ << speaking of game
assbot: A nins ? A nins! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( http://dpaste.com/2RN6X5M.txt )
mircea_popescu: email him that, at least he can reclassify it. HUNTING!
saifedean: well, this link worked, but the previous one didn't
mircea_popescu: seems this filter of yours is doing exactly as much useful work as every filter ever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1012 @ 0.00120546 = 1.2199 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/?single_page=true
assbot: The Dutch Village Where Everyone Has Dementia - The Atlantic ( http://dpaste.com/2Q2H2QX.txt )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1083 @ 0.00120569 = 1.3058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1665 @ 0.0012 = 1.998 BTC
BingoBoingo: !up gerax
BingoBoingo: !up PiaAA
PiaAA: is the tits for 0.1 btc still active?
jurov: hi PiaAA, maybe
jurov: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him
PiaAA: thanks
PiaAA: so, what is this place for?
PiaAA: so many people but everyone is quiet lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1170 @ 0.0012 = 1.404 BTC
jurov: PiaAA: it's that time of day... apparently europeans don't like to chat much at this hour
jurov: and everyone else is asleep
jurov: you can read logs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ( http://dpaste.com/2Z7SWG7.txt )
punkman: https://robert.sesek.com/2014/9/unraveling_nsa_s_turbulence_programs.html
assbot: Unraveling NSA's TURBULENCE Programs - Robert Sesek ( http://dpaste.com/1HMC6CN.txt )
punkman: https://github.com/client9/ipcat
assbot: client9/ipcat · GitHub ( http://dpaste.com/2PDCZEE.txt )
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/1HMC6CN.txt
assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/1PAJHXZ.txt )
punkman: dpaste all the dpaste!
Adlai: ;;ident adlai
gribble: Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj
Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows...
Adlai: the nsa's database probably knows, although i'd be surprised and honored if they cared
Adlai reads http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/accelerating-change/474
assbot: Accelerating Change ( http://dpaste.com/1C66YR4.txt )
jurov: why it's so important? got split personality?
Adlai: holy fuck that dpaste is painful on the retina
Adlai: well, apparently using btc auth is foolhardy, childish, and infinitely inferior to gpg auth
Adlai: entropy cares how it's serialized
Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification, but i imagine there's some way around that
danielpbarron: ;;rated napedia
gribble: You rated user napedia on Mon Nov 17 07:30:42 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/534321538657308672.
Adlai: nice https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/467322725074079745
assbot: Only invest in the USD what you can afford to lose.
Adlai: cf https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yamamotots536612.html
assbot: Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day one should meditate... - Yamamo ( http://dpaste.com/1RZ2491.txt )
Adlai: isn't it about time this assbot paste thingy learned to distinguish content from cruft?
danielpbarron: Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,[a] and follow Me.
Adlai: isn't it about time for the sequel, "Jesus Shrugged"?
Adlai: he should join us in E̶g̶y̶p̶t̶ chile
BingoBoingo: $status
empyex: BingoBoingo: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com mpex.co Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: BingoBoingo: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (106 milliseconds), mpex.ws (109 milliseconds), mpex.co (113 milliseconds), mpex.bz (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (683 milliseconds)
empyex: BingoBoingo: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. the writers of walking dead missed an opportunity to have some surprise cheese or yogurt in the cannibal camp episodes.
xanthyos: Deuteronomy 14:21Modern English Version (MEV)
xanthyos: 21 You must not eat of anything that dies of itself, but you may give it to the foreigner that is in your gates, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.
xanthyos: You shall not boil a young goat in its mother.s milk.
Adlai likes the bit about feeding carrion to immigrants
xanthyos: heh
xanthyos: heh funny timing ^
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/Nvpe1Ccv << why is "erasing the past" such a common fantasy ?
assbot: Dear Affiliate, Priscilia Jones is starting a new career and - Pastebin.com ( http://dpaste.com/3FJSBR1.txt )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/detroit-hit-by-ransomware-in-april/
assbot: Detroit Hit By Ransomware in April | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/3N6FD0C.txt )
mircea_popescu: poor detroit.
TheNewDeal: Did I get that correct that the Mayor attempted to sync a calendar on an infected system?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they seem unrelated.
mircea_popescu: that said, i struggle to comprehend what the idea is behind BingoBoingo's collection of factoids.
BingoBoingo: Detroit sucks?
mircea_popescu: so here's a chick with a hoola instead http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4mvgabRW11qminlvo1_400.gif
assbot: ( error )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1167 @ 0.0012 = 1.4004 BTC
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but listen, if that's your angle (detroit sucks) then make it your title. if that doesn't work then why not ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, ok.
mircea_popescu: jurov:
mircea_popescu: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!!!
BingoBoingo: I just found the "Spread the Wealth" op-ed piece a bit... ironic considering every other headline there tonday is about the absolute pile of nothing they have.
nubbins`: how does he know how to get an anagram of his name into a sha256sum :P
mircea_popescu: Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows... << nanotube you know, he brings a very good point. how would i go to check that he is in fact and specifically gpg authed ?
nubbins`: TBF i thought detroit was dead by now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not saying the three links couldn't assemble into a great piece, but merely that it has to actually be done. ie, reader doesn't have access to the lulz in your head, put it on teh page.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu hm that's a good one. ;;ident will list gpg key AND btc address if both are reg'd
BingoBoingo: Ah, that problem. The why Trilema must have so many words problem.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` reg'd yes. auth'd ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard best practice when newbs make accounts would be inserting a rider with "and don't add a btc address, it just creates pointless ambiguity"
mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo
nubbins`: Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan revealed at the North American International Cyber Summit that a 2,000 BTC ransom was not paid in order to regain access to the affected database because it was "not that important".
nubbins`: In a seemingly-unrelated revelation that perhaps hints at the true reason for the bounty not being paid, the mayor also revealed that he cannot sync his MS Office calendar to his phone due to technical difficulties.
nubbins` shrugs
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: revelation + revealed gotta go
mircea_popescu: nono, "mayor would like to spread the wealth but can not find the time to do so"
nubbins`: s/revelation/admission perhaps
nubbins`: anyway lelelelelelel.
nubbins`: such a mayor/manager thing to say huh
nubbins`: "i can't get my phone to sync my calendar"
mircea_popescu: mangerial.
mircea_popescu: you know, from mange.
nubbins`: "why isn't my sound working"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha.
nubbins`: mangy mayor
mircea_popescu: old woman @doctor's office :
mircea_popescu: doc, my sound's working.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: she can finally pee?
mircea_popescu: lmao!
nubbins` claps
mircea_popescu: no, she just used to hear these voices and for a while they were gone
nubbins`: 5 satoshi says i'm the only one here who got that
mircea_popescu: hence, ~HER~ sound wasn;t working
nubbins`: o heh
nubbins`: thought i nailed it ;/
mircea_popescu: lol. what sort of a cult do you think this is!
nubbins`: ;;google sounding site:bme.com
mircea_popescu: can't be having people nailing shit.
gribble: Sounding - BME Encyclopedia: <http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Sounding>; Sounds - BME Encyclopedia: <http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Sounds>; Sounding | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: <http://news.bme.com/tag/sounding/>
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
mircea_popescu: i am aware what a urethral sound is.
nubbins`: for the uninitiated among us.
nubbins`: tl;dr put things where you pee, it feels good
mircea_popescu: i also like how the sophistication, size and complexity of boy sounds vs girl sounds properly reflects the boy vs girl relation generally.
nubbins`: boys like big fancy toys?
mircea_popescu: (i actually won an argument on this once. triumphant mainstreamist "oh yea ? on what criteria!" mp : "urethral sounds complexity.")
nubbins`: i don't know that i've seen gender-specific sounds, altho i guess the big sets would never ever fit into a woman's urethra
mircea_popescu: Alexander Fox @AutonoZone · Oct 6 @napoleon @BitcoinBelle Idealism is a dangerous investment strategy. Just look at the goldbugs. Global capital is pouring into the USD. <<< why does the usd sound so much like every other altchain scam ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you kidding ? the curved ones are male.
mircea_popescu: the female ones are just straight sticks.
nubbins`: o rly?
mircea_popescu: yup rly.
nubbins`: then i've never seen female ones :o
nubbins`: http://shop.bme.com/product/hegar-sounds/
assbot: BME Body Modification Ezine Shop ( http://dpaste.com/3N77JA3.txt )
nubbins`: "no returns" lel
mircea_popescu: http://haydenmedicalinc.com/urology-urethral-dilators-sounds/
assbot: Hayden Medical Inc. Urology Urethral Dilators Sounds - Hayden Medical Inc. ( http://dpaste.com/37VYF89.txt )
mircea_popescu: grep for "Infant & Female Dilator Set"
mircea_popescu: because yes.
nubbins`: curved
nubbins`: anyway idk what it's like now, but there was a time when private citizens had the hardest time purchasing shit like this
nubbins`: i remember going to a medical supply place once to pick up a biopsy punch i'd ordered
nubbins`: "sooo... are you a doctor?"
nubbins`: "nope"
nubbins`: (guy gets visibly worried)
nubbins`: "what are you going to do with this?"
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: (i tell him)
nubbins`: (worry replaced with confusion, leads me to cash register)
mircea_popescu: let me guess, you fix hogheads of paint
mircea_popescu tries to follow in Adlai's footsteps reading that "accelerating change" piece, gets as far as "The goal of this chapter is to trace the general implications of what are identified as the two central characteristics of the future: accelerating change and intensifying complexity.", first line in abstract, and fails.
nubbins`: nothing so innocent, although i've mostly moved on from the proclivities of my youth
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is "intensifying" complexity. is complexity like pain or wtf.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you punch the woman while ridin' her ?!
nubbins`: i definitely do not biopsy women during sex
mircea_popescu: "spread wider honey i wanna get a taste of precum straigth through your perineum!"
nubbins`: :0
nubbins`: many deviance, such edge play
nubbins`: for those of you not in the know, a biopsy punch is a cylindrical scalpel, useful for removing round chunks of flesh from various areas of the body
nubbins`: https://online.ebos.co.nz/images/product/LRI%20biopsy%20punch6.JPG
assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/001Q1ZS.txt )
mircea_popescu: unfortunately i may have created a monster there.
mircea_popescu: you probably make earlobe holes and lame shit like that.
nubbins`: close enough
nubbins`: altho my earlobe holes were done the old-fashioned way, pierced with a needle then immediately tapered to 6 gauge
mircea_popescu: that's the main problem for people that got circumcised
mircea_popescu: that less skin to fuck with.
nubbins`: the cock is a cornucopia of piercing sites
mircea_popescu: only for slavebois
nubbins`: i can list maybe a dozen named cock piercings off the top of my head
mircea_popescu: real men use the cock to pierce other things
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: like earlobes
mircea_popescu: well, by design, hymens.
mircea_popescu: BUT IF YOU MUST BE A PERV....
punkman goes to check bme guy's blog, finds "hey guys, I'm dead" post
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. << nope. if you think about it, mammals are only productive after foaling. what would you do with all the babies ? this and numerous other considerations make dairy-female a hig
mircea_popescu: hly abstract fantasy, roughly comensurate with the bizarre shit coming out of the lesbian feminist camp, which is why i made that comment.
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: punkman actually a very interesting guy, if a bit narcissistic
mircea_popescu: more stuff i missed ;/
mircea_popescu: only heard of bme through modder chick years after its heyday
nubbins`: real downer about him killing himself, i was in a funk for like 6mo over it
mircea_popescu: the curse of the archeologist.
nubbins`: yeah hey
punkman: yeah he was a cool dude, bme turned to shit when ex-wife took it over
nubbins`: punkman i met her once at a wedding
nubbins`: not a great person
mircea_popescu: nubbins` met modder chick through making fun of "all those freaks with the crazy shit stick on all sides of head".
nubbins`: heheh
mircea_popescu: cause you know, she seemed sane, and im very conservative.
nubbins`: i actually met my first almost-wife through bme
mircea_popescu: did she come in one piece ?
nubbins`: a more-or-less intact piece, no less
punkman: mircea_popescu: here's the blog btw http://www.zentastic.com/blog/
assbot: Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze agai ( http://dpaste.com/0YZ37CA.txt )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would expect suicide is the definitve body modification all serious practitioners aspire towards.
nubbins`: assbot now scrapes site & dpastes plaintext?
nubbins`: rad
punkman: not just plaintext! even images!
mircea_popescu: it's maybe a little silly.
nubbins`: bordering on useless
nubbins`: nice alternative for when you really don't wanna click a link, i guess
mircea_popescu: part of it was the ip stealing attempt coupla days back.
mircea_popescu: as always, the security/sanity balance is unobvious.
punkman: maybe I can setup a URL where assbot can post content to, provide actual html/file mirror
mircea_popescu: sahould be more in the scoopbot than in the deedbot domain that, in the interest of not making a mess of things
punkman: yeah not on deedbot system, I got plenty of space on a dreamhost account
mircea_popescu: which i guess kinda pushes the point,
mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <PeterL> yes
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl there's stuff to talk about!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: Imma write stupid PHP script to do this, also needed for deed backups
mircea_popescu: well seeing how scoopbot's never in chan, something's gonna have to be done here.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen scoopbot
gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/
nanotube: mircea_popescu: that info is not currently publicly available. though i can find out by checking bot-side logs.
nubbins`: my admittedly inconsequential vote is for including it in ;;ident, as it's potentially useful
nanotube: what would it be useful for?
nubbins`: say you want to know if someone's authed via btc or gpg
nubbins`: ('potentially' == i can't think of a compelling scenario)
nanotube: haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that
nanotube: is what i want to know :)
nubbins`: 8)
nanotube: not that it would harm anything to have the info... just curious
nubbins`: ostensibly so it's easier to shame people who have registered both a gpg key and a btc address, but choose not to auth via gpg
nubbins`: i'm sure mp has a more concrete scenario in mind ;p
xanthyos: mircea_popescu: once a woman starts producing milk she'll keep producing it until she stops nursing. there are some children who nurse way too long and as long as they keep suckling, the milk will flow. also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness or has the moral concern to worry about his cows continually giving birth. their young might be inserted into the food chain that eventually becomes the moth
nubbins`: ...
nubbins`: i'm sure the truly compelling part of that paragraph was after the break
xanthyos: kafkaesque
nubbins`: popesque
nubbins`: i was at a printer's fair yesterday and some guy came up being really weird about a book we published
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/michael-daniel-no-zero-day-stockpile
assbot: U.S. Gov Insists It Doesn't Stockpile Zero-Day Exploits to Hack Enemies | WIRED ( http://dpaste.com/0WFM9VM.txt )
rithm: asciilifeform it just means they subcontract it out
nubbins`: ^^^^^
rithm: reading reports under the pretense where one hands know what the other hand is doing is fallacy
asciilifeform: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2014kul/materials/D2T1%20-%20Haroon%20Meer%20Azhar%20Desai%20and%20Marco%20Slaviero%20-%20Weapons%20of%20Mass%20Distraction.pdf
asciilifeform: ^ recent experiments in advanced spamatronics
mircea_popescu: <nanotube> haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that << well, i do want to know.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, if a hole is found in either but not in both, the situation is now glbse-ambiguous : anyone logged on can claim it wasn;t them
mircea_popescu: "also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness" << maybe we're not on the same page as to what farm means, here.
mircea_popescu: something like "i'm farming the lich king, 100k spent for every 80k worth of loot" ?
mircea_popescu: also, feeding cows their foals, it doesn't work. that's how you select for Creutzfeldt–Jakob
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: if it did make any sort of economic sense it'd be all over your flouridated water i'm sure.
nubbins`: i have friends who are still not allowed to donate blood because they spent more than 6mo in england
mircea_popescu: "In Canada, individuals are not eligible to donate blood or plasma if they have spent a cumulative total of three months in the United Kingdom or France from January 1, 1980, to December 31, 1996. They are also ineligible if they have spent a cumulative total of five years or more in Western Europe outside the U.K. or France since 1980, or if they have had a blood transfusion in the U.K., France or Western Europe since
mircea_popescu: 1980."
mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that painstaking effort ? still crazy as fuck, the canucks.
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/armed-robber-who-got-out-of-sentence-because-of-clerical/article_a5cb7512-5a78-5efc-a77a-769f348f12a3.html
assbot: Armed robber who got out of sentence because of clerical error is back in jail : News ( http://1.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LnN0bHRvZGF5LmNvbS9uZXdzL2xvY2FsL2NyaW1lLWFuZC1jb3VydHMvYXJtZWQtcm9iYmVyLXdoby1nb3Qtb3V0LW9mLXNlbnRlbmNlLWJlY2F1c2Utb2YtY2xlcmljYWwvYXJ0aWNsZV9hNWNiNzUxMi01YTc4LTVlZmMtYTc3YS03NjlmMzQ4ZjEyYTMuaHRtbA== )
nubbins`: mp these rules were enacted by a competing prion which has figured out how to influence human behaviour in a more nuanced fashion
nubbins`: turf wars
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hey buster! that's prion art!
nubbins`: a prioni knowledge
BingoBoingo awaits discovery of world with Chiraly reversed biochemistry.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo it's only like 10% as big, not so fun
nubbins`: apparently something like 35% of bitcoiners are leftys?
BingoBoingo imagines the aliens landing in nubbins yard, spotting that all of the amino acids are flipped the wrong way, and putting a warning bouy in earth orbit announcing Earth's toxicity.
BingoBoingo imagines the SEW campaign to make Earth safe for the Alien Invaders
nubbins`: you cannot donate your tenderloins unless you've spent less than 3 consecutive months on earth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc asimov had a tale with this premise
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I vaguelly remember a few stories but no titles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i once tried to write a tale of perverse world of differing chiralities for male and female, and implications thereof
asciilifeform: (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes)
asciilifeform: Creutzfeldt-Jakob << just don't feed the brains. problem solved.
BingoBoingo: Just in the context of the prion discussion, I'm imagining sufficiently advanced aliens to have had this problem before. They came here to steal our water, but can't because of fish piss. Just like the Mad Cow blood donor ban
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes) <<< wait wait lol.
mircea_popescu: positing doesn't just work like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can make this go if you really want to.
mircea_popescu: orly ?
xanthyos: if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00120273 = 1.2027 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: xanthyos: say boyfriend did not use key. but gave a copy to the Khalif.
xanthyos: well he doesn't have the passphrase for it
xanthyos: but the security isn't my question
xanthyos: would all the people who gave rating have to be notified to rerate to the new account manually
xanthyos: i'm asking for bagels7
xanthyos: who is in a predicament.
nubbins`: s/notified/begged
nubbins`: sums up the situation more succinctly
xanthyos: well that's inconvenient
nubbins`: hey duod it's me, `xanthyos`, can you give me a re-rate bru? i lost my key lol
nubbins`: losing your key is, indeed, quite inconvenient.
xanthyos: well if it's someone i can authenticate as the same person
xanthyos: i'm saying if they later recovered the key
xanthyos: and proved they were the same person in that sense
asciilifeform: !s shall be delivered
assbot: 23 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shall+be+delivered
xanthyos: so the ratings are all real
nubbins`: what are you even talking about
xanthyos: it's not a lost key it's a currently inaccessible key because it's behind a locked physical door
nubbins`: at least call these "hypothetical" people alice and bob so we can follow you
nubbins`: so your laptop is locked in someone's house
nubbins`: what's your question
xanthyos: alice's laptop is locked in bob's house
xanthyos: alice has ratings in the wot
xanthyos: can alice make wot account alice2 knowing that she'll get her alice1 account back eventually
asciilifeform: you and i shall be free to presume instead that alice is on a sea voyage, and alice2 is actuall nsa shill
xanthyos: and upon recovering alice1 prove that both are the same and merge their ratings
mike_c: what's the rush? if she'll get alice1 back, just wair.
mike_c: *wait
xanthyos: i can't go into that without giving explicit private information
mike_c: my $0.02 is I wouldn't re-rate without a good answer to that question.
xanthyos: in a public log
nubbins`: i also wouldn't re-rate
mike_c: where "good" really means.. i don't think there is a good reason.
mike_c: because when you start putting random qualifiers on good answers, you get scammed.
xanthyos: my question was only if there was a way to merge so rerating wouldn't be an issue if one could prove via gribble to simultaneously own two accounts
mike_c: that would be a bug, not a feature.
mike_c: someone can move my rating to a different account? that's silliness.
xanthyos: are you rating the account or the person?
kakobrekla: update the key in wot?
mike_c: the account is the person.
asciilifeform: are you rating the account or the person? << 'have sex - with humans; do business - with keys' (mircea)
xanthyos: i guess that protects people from making offensive name accounts and making it look like you endorse them
xanthyos: the concept of their name
xanthyos: use your imaginations
xanthyos: so then i guess just as ratings can't be moved accounts probably can't be renamed
mats_cd03: nope
nubbins` groans
nubbins`: ;;gettrust othernubs`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
nubbins`: how is this not adequate
xanthyos: heh
xanthyos: yeah that's fine
xanthyos: finally a time when 10 trust makes sense
kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9
nubbins`: see the thing is, you want a message from alice saying "alice1 is my backup pgp key in case this one gets stolen"
xanthyos: it's like warp 10, trust 10 simultaneously occupies every place of faith in the universe
nubbins`: but you want it after alice has been stolen.
nubbins`: it's too late by that point
nubbins`: and if you'd done it before alice had been stolen, well, i suppose your alice1 woulda been stolen too, huh?
nubbins`: the key is to be able to demonstrably prove that you are who you say you are without use of a pgp key
nubbins`: not everyone can pull this off
xanthyos: what my "aura" isn't enough guys? clearly it's me.
nubbins`: clearly
asciilifeform: nubbins` << can, possibly, prove who you are (for some value of 'who'), but not that you owned the key
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: that's an important distinction
xanthyos: wot accounts are people like corporations are people
kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended?
xanthyos: no, that analogy falls apart in that corporate personhood removes accountability while wot accounthood demands it
xanthyos: oh intersting
xanthyos: interesting**
xanthyos: not schizophrenic but you mean dissociative personalities
nubbins`: kakobrekla runaway thoughts prevent one from using pgp? o.O
xanthyos: if it's a compartmentalized individual
kakobrekla: yeah sure, that
nubbins`: cold, plague, w/e
kakobrekla: dissociative personalities < in such setup, does one personality have access to others passwords?
xanthyos: hyde doesn't know jekyll's passphrase
xanthyos: although how much of keyboarding is conscious and how much is muscle memory? does the body remember the sequence of muscle contractions well enough for the passphrase to be typed without knowing it/
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/usms-auctioning-more-bitcoins/
assbot: USMS Auctioning More Bitcoins | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11e1Wtk )
nubbins`: ha
asciilifeform: usms << waterfall!
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.52, Best ask: 381.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.17000, Last trade: 381.7, 24 hour volume: 23277.77066544, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.595304938
kakobrekla: assbot now appends a hidemyass proxy link btw. use it for opening links from unknown people and qntra and trilema when down
mike_c: "The USMS will not release any information to the general public pertaining to the auction process or results."
mike_c: how is this legal?
kakobrekla: how is this new?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least
gernika: Anyone have any references to the legal rationale for selling seized assets prior to a verdict and before the appeals process has completed?
mike_c: this guy has been pinging them once a month about his foia.. they went from stalling to ignoring. very gox of them. https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/usms-silk-road-bitcoin-auction-results-12405/
assbot: USMS Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Results | Muckrock ... ( http://bit.ly/11e44RU )
asciilifeform: the 'rationale' is - 'you are furniture'
xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet
gernika: There must be some convoluted explanation as to why that's OK though
xanthyos: because they said so?
asciilifeform: xanthyos: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaJiDN )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard You ask questions on twitter that have answers here
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: just trollin around haha
BingoBoingo: !s bitcoingirl
assbot: 216 results for 'bitcoingirl' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoingirl
BingoBoingo: ;;seen bitcoingirl
Pierre_Rochard: Person from Digital Currency Council sent me a message on linkedin telling me I should pay them for training
gribble: bitcoingirl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bitcoingirl> the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet
TheNewDeal: would love to see someone drop 50k or so bitcoin on an "exchange" prior to this auction
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Tell then you know a guy, rates are more favorable. Say here's the contact info and just give them my GPG fingerprint
Pierre_Rochard: “I don't see you in the WoT: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php Do you have a nickname you're using?” <- my response
Pierre_Rochard: is bitcoingirl Lee Bard?
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: bitcoingirl is Ms Boring
Pierre_Rochard: Ah, she’s dgitial chamber of commerce
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's so many of these DCC's now
Pierre_Rochard: digital currency council is another pretend thing, they want to be a professional organization
Pierre_Rochard: yeah, they got tired of bit that and coin this, it’s all digital currency now
Pierre_Rochard: that’s what passes for originality
asciilifeform: 'digital currencies' << a variant of the 'teach the controversy' propaganda technique discussed here earlier. create a category where there only exists a concrete.
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 5 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Well if you can figure out who they are feel free to submit a likbez to Qntra
thestringpuller: that mr. rochard, so hot righ tnow
asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals'
thestringpuller: that's fucked up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: presto! turds are now 'a type of cylindrical' and by implication will stand in for sausage
thestringpuller: i've been terrified by that ever since I saw Soylent Green
Pierre_Rochard: haha, exactly. These people will tell you “well Ethereum and Ripple seem to be gaining traction, so Bitcon may not be ~the~ digital currency, we need to stay flexible”
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Don't worry. You don't need meat. Protein is fine, have Prion jerky!
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141117 16:05] you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!! << lol should i ask them outright to submit the buxom? i need the codes then :D
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand the subtle but important distinction. they will have you believe that it -is- meat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926251☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah.
BingoBoingo: I have to stumble through the variations of these forms
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/dB7lg3y.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11e7JPH )
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' <<< amazing
nubbins`: "in a chocolatey coating"
nubbins`: the y stands for sodium benzoate, vegetable oil, and a special evaporative process that removes all cocoa
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That sets expectations for flavor. Just go with a "creamy" coating.
nubbins`: with a brown, easily meltable coating
nubbins`: wait now we're selling turds again
nubbins`: bbl buying ingredients for 김치 찌개
punkman: nubbins`: puffins, radio waves, wat?
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/K2pIfWL.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaSrfA )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm << relevant
assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of How to tell the Birds from the Flowers and other Wood-cuts, by Robert Williams Wood. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaTcVI )
nubbins`: hah, awesome.
nubbins`: We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.
Pierre_Rochard: !s likbez
assbot: 12 results for 'likbez' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=likbez
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? << how would an observer distinguish this situation from "angry muslim ex boyfriend finally manages to break into gpg key on ex gf's computer he hedl" ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is this legal? << the law of "no way out"
mircea_popescu: Series A blocks consist of 2,000 coins and a deposit of $100,000 is required per bid entered on Series A. <<< 10%. ie, "MP was right".
mircea_popescu: Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered.<< funny what the usg thinks of its own banking industry anyway :D
mircea_popescu: The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner".
mircea_popescu: chumpatronics at its finest, "we would like a list of rich people interested in bitcoin, mind sending us a signed form ?" / "hey, USMS can implement tardstalk scam actions too! We even hired Garr as an expert consultant"
BingoBoingo: Even has the name perversion thing going on too: Ebama/Thermos
TheNewDeal: Ollama
BingoBoingo: !up TheShrander
chetty: wyatt earp would be horrified
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/rick-snyder-announces-michigan-cyber-civilian-corps/
assbot: Rick Snyder Announces Michigan Cyber Civilian Corps | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11ebzrV )
thestringpuller: scoopbot doesn't got the scoop yet?
chetty: http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/272087/speedreads-manufacturers-warn-that-the-world-may-soon-run-out-of-chocolate
assbot: Manufacturers warn that the world may soon run out of chocolate - The Week ... ( http://bit.ly/11ebKDA )
BingoBoingo: ^ Blame Obola
adlai: mircea_popescu: sorry for vanishing, had to tend to some fires, and put out other ones
mircea_popescu: kik
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-united-states-scammers-service-formerly-marshalls-service/
assbot: The United States Scammers Service, Formerly Marshalls Service. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11eescc )
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926544 << putting signatures in pastebin... I guess the known plaintext aspect can be circumvented by only including the signature data, rather than a whole --clearsign☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 16:10:49; mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
mircea_popescu: adlai suppose i download your pubkey and encrypt "adlai is a poopyhead" to it five billion times.
mircea_popescu: this, iyo, has put me epsilon closer towards obtaining your priv key ?
adlai: that's a little different from what gribble gpg auth does
mircea_popescu: explain ?
adlai: maybe I'm doing it wrong, but ";;auth adlai" gives me a challenge string, and I need to reply ";;verify http://pastebin.com/blabla" with a signature for the challenge string, using my wot key
assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7ROh )
mircea_popescu: yeah, you are.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;eauth mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <gribble> Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7PG5 )
mircea_popescu: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452|gpg
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7SBR )
adlai: ok, I was using ;;auth
mircea_popescu: science progressed :)
adlai: it's still more convenient to use ;;bcauth :P
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski btw, next time someone goes on the "marketing Bitcoin" kick, you can always use http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ : "Get lost and don’t come back until you can either think or do something useful. Contrary to what you might have self-aggrandizingly imagined, we don’t want you. Yo
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY84AU )
gribble: Error: No closing quotation
mircea_popescu: u need us, of course, but that’s an entirely different discussion.". it's what it's for.
gernika: to answer my own question above, the value of the coins in USD will be retained in escrow until the outcome of the case is decided.
mircea_popescu: adlai "convenient"
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
adlai: convenience is king, the rest is bunk
mircea_popescu: your king is nude.
adlai: "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." - sammy C
mircea_popescu: adlai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kim-kardashian-butt-papermag.jpg << tell it to her.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11egWYk )
thestringpuller: Kim acts out because she'll be irrelevant when her youth is gone.
thestringpuller: Not everyone can be Betty White.
mircea_popescu: well, if "perfect butt, perfect shape" is your thing, then obviously it only lasts a little.
mircea_popescu: somehow people don't seem to say the same about athletes.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do i care what maradona does after he's too old to play ?
punkman: I've heard the same about athletes, not uncommon
mircea_popescu: i'm certainly going to remember fuckable kim long after i forgot any and all sitcom writers for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9 << just as long as you find a kim to trust you with her 6.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? <<< well if he has split personality, then they won't know about each other's keys.
adlai: pls
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet <<< if it had worked.
adlai: schizophrenia does not exist
adlai: it's a made up concept to lump together a bunch of conditions that psych(olog|iatr)ists have epsilon understanding of
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: there is something there tho.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, sure.
adlai: there are several somethings
mircea_popescu: mayhap.
adlai: no, seriously. some big association of mental scientists (lol) recently admitted that they have nfc what schizophrenia actually is, and that they should probably drop the term and start analyzing the conditions it refers to from a blank page
mircea_popescu: adlai the derps in question make no difference. but, yeah, the problem has long stood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' << not bad.
mircea_popescu: "beverage" comes to mind. because yeah, carbonated high fructose corn syrup needs a thing to be, like water and wine.
mircea_popescu: jurov: i need the codes then :D << you know i just use the webirc hostmask they come in with right ?
adlai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Schizophrenia_spectrum_and_other_psychotic_disorders << ok, they didn't officially delete it, but have been revising the definition to the point where it's about as precise as "batshit fucking crazy"
assbot: DSM-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY9RWM )
kakobrekla: "they didn't officially delete it" < lol
mircea_popescu: the dsm has nothing to do with psychology.
mircea_popescu: it's an acceptable if overvoluminous textbook for treating broken bones.
TheNewDeal: it's a nice meta piece on psychologists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2600 @ 0.0012 = 3.12 BTC
mircea_popescu: lol
adlai: it gives you a resolution bound for the precision of mental disorder diagnosis
mircea_popescu: and now, off to play aurum blade, because i am getting retarded in my old age.
mircea_popescu: (but seriously, if you, like me are a fan of the old amiga stuff, with HARD mobs and tough as nail bosses etc ? try it.)
adlai: you're not retarted, you're centenariophrenic
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 292934223.302
adlai: "... Now we should call them economical numbers"
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> ^ Blame Obola
adlai: did bingo died of obbola?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever play dark souls?
cazalla: seems BingoBoingo has been busy this morning and scooped me on the news before i was even awake
thestringpuller: cazalla: now for round two
cazalla: thestringpuller, need a few cuppas first
kakobrekla: http://blog.snapchat.com/post/102895720555/introducing-snapcash
assbot: Snapchat - Introducing Snapcash ... ( http://bit.ly/11wnHW6 )
TheNewDeal: From the article "We set out to make payments faster and more fun!!!"
dignork: "For now, Snapcash is available to Snapchatters in the United States who have a debit card and are 18 or older." << there is such a thing?
undata: the hipsters all use snapchat to send each other dick pics
thestringpuller: here's a dick pick + some dollars
thestringpuller: also aren't hipsters poor?
dignork: or dick pics for dollar, might work too
thestringpuller: tits 4 snapcash!!!
dignork: and a DRM solution, to protect the assets.
thestringpuller: well snapchat deletes your photo after its viewed doncha know***
undata: suddenly the use case becomes clear.
dignork: that's very weak DRM, better would be scrambling signal to be decoded on google glasses, surgically embedded into user scalp.
mircea_popescu: everything totally gotta be "fun"
mircea_popescu: “I guess you will have to go to jail. If that is the result of not understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there. We shall have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there. It will be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise under it.”
mircea_popescu: guess the yea.
asciilifeform: drm glasses << http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 (scroll down to story)
assbot: Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9cb16 )
mircea_popescu: year*
mircea_popescu: “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.”
mircea_popescu: im well persuaded by this, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: curious that the "advanced northern europe" isn't coming out with "brevik is pretty much our greatest achievement",
mircea_popescu: at least the us has the decency to worship its degenerates.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reading herr kokkarinen ?
mircea_popescu: this came off http://jim.com/liberquo.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1t5oyCO )
mircea_popescu: “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.” lol
cazalla: you know, with the new pokemon game coming out in a few days time, idea of a bitcoin pokemon market would be great, could even have gpg pokemon contracts
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this like we've never been five
mircea_popescu: my idea of a pokemon is roughly speaking a beanie baby. what's to gpg there ?
cazalla: for trading pokemon, you know, so i can point and say hey, you said you would deliver pokemon xyz and you decided to back out at the last minute, don't trade with this guy
mircea_popescu: oh they're like playing cards ?
TheNewDeal: pokemon was also a card game back in the day, like Magic. Not sure if he's talking about software game
mircea_popescu: i suppose someone who knows about trading cards could re-make mtgox.
danielpbarron: it was a gameboy game first; you could trade via the connection cable
cazalla: mircea_popescu, never played pokemon? so you catch them as you would say find an item in an mmorpg, you train em, level em up, you can trade them as you would an item in an mmorpg to other players
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: no, i never played such a thing.
cazalla: i doubt there is any demand for it but i would buy a desired pokemon for btc
mircea_popescu: what pokemon would you buy ?!
danielpbarron: the rare mewtwo with alt colorz!
cazalla: a shiny of course
cazalla: i am partial to the original 150
cazalla: i wonder if nintendo capitulated and will allow 2 male pokemon to make a baby pokemon
danielpbarron: the amount of "work" that goes into finding a shiny would put it in the 1 to 10 BTC range
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: all these fucktarded nsa "codewords". it would not surprise me if the central nodes in the administration of all this perpetually overbudget, perpetually mismanaged nonsense are desocialised to the point they can no longer interact with people in a shop or bar or w/e
mircea_popescu: exactly like star trek ninnies, speaking a wholly unintelligible pigdin and laughing out of the blue for nutty reasons.
TheNewDeal: like Clockwork Orange?
mircea_popescu: pressure tube metrogripe toyfucks ?
mircea_popescu: keycard fashioncleft!
danielpbarron: like the yale-tards i overheard at louis lunch the other day? like it was their first time interacting with people outside of acedemia?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
punkman: http://www.augur.net/
assbot: Augur Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9jJRs )
cazalla: mebe you nintendo could even use blockchain technology to timestamp when you found a pokemon so no-one can sell you dupes
cazalla: could call it.. the brockchain
punkman: NintendoCoin obvs
punkman: "The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce it has received a $1,000,000 donation from Jan Koum, CEO and Co-Founder of WhatsApp. This marks the largest single donation to the Foundation since its inception almost 15 years ago"
punkman: http://blockstream.com/2014/11/17/blockstream-closes-21m-seed-round/
assbot: Blockstream closes $21M seed round | Blockstream ... ( http://bit.ly/1qgDQdi )
punkman: gmaxwell's thing
punkman: "The reason we were able to attract A-list investors is our group of founders and the promise of blockchain technology."
punkman: http://blockstream.com/wp-content/themes/blockstream/assets/images/D5.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJwDCm )
mats_cd03: what a nice picture
asciilifeform: blockstream << archetypical shitgnome circus
mats_cd03: this is the impression i'm getting, too.
asciilifeform: funny how one can almost 'smell' these, without any need for detailed study
thestringpuller: cazalla: a pokemon exchange?!? lol. i think I may be the only one in this channel who plays pokemon.
nubbins`: no doubt
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain <<< lale
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: blockstream << lol i look at the founders page and of course gmaxwell is on it
asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains'
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: its funny to see who is employing these "core developers"
thestringpuller: its like "the only thing I can do is work for cash burning start up or suck dick"
punkman: hey 20 million bezzlars, that's gotta last them at least a year
thestringpuller: so they run out of money not finding useful stuff to do and ask for more. so does this make all the core developers essentially beggars?
nubbins`: a beggar is not one who accepts money but one who begs for it
nubbins`: asciilifeform re: that book you posted earlier
nubbins`: they match puffin with "nuffin"
nubbins`: and leave a blank space in lieu of a picture 8)
mircea_popescu: punkbot these deals always depend on how much they actually get.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.loper-os.org/pub/debug.log.gz << barf log from one of my runs.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJyYNx )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: downloading blockchain, take three. go!
mircea_popescu: gl!
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinvault-decrypt-one-file-for-free-send-bitcoin-to-decrypt-the-rest/
assbot: CoinVault: Decrypt One File For Free, Send Bitcoin To Decrypt The Rest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11wH1T4 )
nubbins`: thinking about making a pgp infographic-type poster
nubbins`: gotta find a neat angle on it tho
cazalla: asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains' <<< why you gotta try oneup my brockchain :(
danielpbarron: you could stream pokemon trades through ashbot
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4
assbot: Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJBCTs )
mircea_popescu: actually, someone should make a backup service, exactly identical to tarsnap except it only accepts material gpg-encrypted to your key.
thestringpuller: what is the speed like on encrypting large files?
thestringpuller: with gpg*
thestringpuller: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/56167/why-is-gpg-file-encryption-so-much-slower-than-other-aes-implementations << says GPG encrypts at 115 mb/s on an i7 2.7 ghz
mircea_popescu: on the current, symetric cypher based process, not bad. to the tune gbps depending on your system specs
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller note that the question is leading. sure, "aes optimised" hardware may deliver better performance, at an unknown cost to security.
thestringpuller: i guess maybe that is first test I will run on cardano: get arbritarily large file and find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts
thestringpuller: serve as good baseline methinks
mircea_popescu: cardano storage isn't very large.
mircea_popescu: so timing it won't be trivial.
mircea_popescu: “The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.”
mircea_popescu: Nick Nuessle, 1992