⏐︎ 10446
trinque checks the climacs page for activity
trinque: 2008
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00024215 = 13.2577 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128547 << to complete the painting, you build a telescope - out of sight of the demented old bastard - and see thermonuked wasteland around, no tomato in sight. then you build a spark gap radio and discover that on other side of planet, there are a few quasi-functioning tomato gardens. perhaps one or two per continent. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 22:58:48; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
asciilifeform: then you sit and go, 'hm, wtf, how'
mircea_popescu: fly, piggy, fly!
asciilifeform pictures pig with fat messerschmitt engine
decimation: asciilifeform: or you discover that there are no tomatoes anywhere outside the garden
asciilifeform: speaking of, i finally saw a me262 recently
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the wwii aircraft fly over the mall?
asciilifeform: nope
decimation: where was the me262? dulles airport museum?
asciilifeform: this one was in the museum, but somehow i never noticed it
asciilifeform: the other one
decimation: the udvar-hazy museum?
asciilifeform: the other other one
asciilifeform: 'national air & space'
asciilifeform: hadn't been there since was a schoolboy, and went again
decimation: oh the one downtown?
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: yeah they update stuff every once in awhile
decimation: actually I think the best aircraft museum in the us is the air force museum in dayton, oh
asciilifeform: hilariously, the bouncer at first threw me out - on account of my very small pocket knife. had to go and bury it.
decimation: yeah that's what I did too
asciilifeform: l0l!
decimation: I bet if you went down to the grounds with a metal detector you could find 1000 knives
asciilifeform: hide in metallic object always
trinque: they tell you specifically to *bury* it? like a cat turd?
asciilifeform: no one 'told'
asciilifeform: bouncer just kicked out
trinque: ah
decimation: nah they have bushes outside
asciilifeform: there's a whole park outside
asciilifeform: plenty of room
asciilifeform: other funny bit re: museum - they had a 'drones' exhibit, with all the major well-known types
decimation: the museum at dulles has the b-29 that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki
asciilifeform: decimation: i recall when the guy was on tour
asciilifeform: heard part of his talk
decimation: once I was trapped on the mall during a summer thunderstorm
decimation: weirdly there aren't any decent restrants/cafes within a short walk
asciilifeform: so in the 'drones' hall, they had an 'rq-3a' ( http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A20070230000 ) and its arse and mouth were glued shut
assbot: Lockheed Martin/Boeing RQ-3A DarkStar | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWtWT8 )
asciilifeform: 'because s33kr1t!!111!111'
decimation: I found the best place to shelter was the indian museum - they have a great cafe that serves 'authentic' indian food. I had chips & salsa and a beer.
decimation: asciilifeform: as I recall they now have a joint strike fighter at dulles - with the vertical takeoff variant
decimation: plus, all 50000 tourists want to huddle in the air & space museum, nobody gives a shit about indians
asciilifeform: that one was extremely depressing
asciilifeform: i went once. nearly 100% recognizably-europeanized artifacts
asciilifeform: 'shit they pawned off on the indians' museum.
decimation: yeah but the chips & salsa were good
decimation: If you want depressing, go to a real indian reservation out west somewhere
decimation: most of them are drunk, live in depressing hovels
asciilifeform: i think i kinda live in something like this already
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: not sure what i need more of it for.
ben_vulpes: http://evergreenmuseum.org/ http://www.tillamookair.com/aircraft/ << reasons to visit, asciilifeform
assbot: Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum | Wings & Waves Waterpark | McMinnville Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuwQL )
assbot: Aircraft — Tillamook Air Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuyIn )
ben_vulpes: the former has lotsa rokkits!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato
decimation: I went to the boeing museum in seattle once, it was pretty neat too. you could walk through nixon's air force one
asciilifeform: 'The kit includes all components necessary for construction of the aircraft body up to the firewall, pre-cut and pre-bent.' (http://www.tillamookair.com/chris-teena-mini-coupe)
ben_vulpes: redstones and h1s and j2s oh my!
asciilifeform: ^ these get nowhere near enough museum space. the 'boring' car-like airplanes that 'everyone will have' in the future-of-the-past.
asciilifeform: also depressing though ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: a museum that contains nothing but false promises?
asciilifeform: at one point, airplanes were supposed to 'happen' sorta like personal computer was going to
asciilifeform: except the buggers (for various reasons, not all 'evil') - won.
decimation: actually I think aircraft could become much more 'personal', but usg has sat upon them
asciilifeform: so aviation looks quite like what personal computing will look like in a decade or two.
decimation: yeah, depressing thought
ben_vulpes: "either build it by hand or lease time on someone else's system"?
asciilifeform: 'do strictly prescribed things except if you're rich and willing to fill out paperwork for every hour you want to do whatever'
decimation: usg event wants to sit upon hobbyists who fly r/c aircraft
decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people ☟︎
asciilifeform: i fully expect that being so much as found with a model propeller will be grounds for '25 to life' after the first quadcopter explodes somewhere interesting
ben_vulpes: subject of
ben_vulpes: let's smuggle things into argentina with roboblimps
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes missed the thread where we 'did' this one ?
ben_vulpes: ars specifically?
ben_vulpes: i recall the one where you lamented nobody doing transoceanic trips with dirigibles
mod6: Todays update of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/2V038DK.txt [ Full Sync Achieved ]
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWv8G8 )
mod6: And it never died.
ben_vulpes: noiiiice.
ben_vulpes: wd asciilifeform, mod6
mod6: great work asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: wai wat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39873 @ 0.00023978 = 9.5607 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes has forgotten if did away with checkpoints
mod6: it did not
mod6: check points are included.
ben_vulpes: dat poorly factored sync process.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: found it. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << that one ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
asciilifeform: mod6: i assume you read my 'valgrind' outputs ?
mod6: I did look through them.
asciilifeform: thing appears to run in approximately constant memory footprint, but far too large for 'pogo' etc. and very suggestive of fragging
mod6: yeah, i can say, that it looks like (from my testing) that it did use pretty much almost all of the RAM available to my environment.
mod6: however, it did not die. which is a first for me.
asciilifeform: mod6: did you distinguish diskcache-ram from actual process footprint ?
asciilifeform: because the former is unbounded, but will never oomkill the process
asciilifeform: see http://www.linuxatemyram.com
assbot: Help! Linux ate my RAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvHj0 )
mod6: well, a lot of it was cached, yes. as opposed to "free" or "buffered"
asciilifeform: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/538c9b1ae4b029b17b1cc5b3/54bbfa3ae4b06f2c55f459b9/54bbfa3be4b06f2c55f459bb/1421605435527/Camel+A-7.jpg?format=750w << l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvNY2 )
mod6: -/+ buffers/cache: 673144 3255776
asciilifeform: ^ from ben_vulpes's airplanes link
mod6: (from my dpaste)
mod6: so i guess I'm wrong then, if that 3255776 bytes is actually available
danielpbarron: collateral damage or target practice?
ben_vulpes: "the prinary concerns of the Air Force as of 1010 are the establishment of a radar network for control of the country's airspace..." << hyuu
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in original thread, i will point out that dirigibles (aside from being blown off-course more often than not, and being stuck doing idiotic things like venting lift gas) have gigantic radar cross-sections
mod6: but anyway, yeah if it's still too large for the pogo, i guess that doesn't help us exactly.
asciilifeform: (not to mention visual)
asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram ☟︎
asciilifeform: because no way in hell does that thing actually -need- 200+M
asciilifeform: to do its thing
ben_vulpes: stop killing my dweeeeams
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, makes sense.
ben_vulpes: (i'm not ignorant of the radar issue, for the record. i just so happen to think the ars response would be "nothing could really be that big" and other interesting things."
ben_vulpes: s/"/)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: depends on whether this is the first airship or the 1111st.
asciilifeform: (flight, rather)
ben_vulpes: and if 1111st, why bother with the investigation?
asciilifeform: eventually, even idiots - learn.
ben_vulpes: warhead/cicada dynamics.
asciilifeform: consider autonomous submarines (torpedo-sized) alternatively. far easier to hide in the ocean, esp. if you're small, electric, and in no hurry whatsoever - than in the air.
asciilifeform: (can eject payload on quadchopper once reach enemy shore, yes)
asciilifeform: submarine has the virtue of not falling down and exploding if it runs out of juice
asciilifeform: can 'energy harvest' (see, e.g., esp8266 threads) etc.
mod6: alright, so I'm gonna wrap up this gentoo stage3 guide, and then I'll dig in and see if I can find what's going on in there.
ben_vulpes ponders submarines
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128664 << it's a fucking stupid idea. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:20:24; asciilifeform: also depressing though
mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128674 << not suddenly. once the usg got involved. it has the shidas touch. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:22:47; decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people
mircea_popescu: there's a reason drug cartels use subs not blimps
ben_vulpes: i have a romantic attachment to the atomic dirigible!
mircea_popescu: in other news, "We always used condoms before, and we both agreed he's only going to fuck my ass now that we're married. We both love the symbolism — I'll be shitting out his weak sperm while superior black men's seed will soak into my womb as nature intended."
ben_vulpes: with babes and children swinging from the guy wires!
ben_vulpes flinches
trinque: "will soak into my womb" lol
trinque: gut-o-meter says a dude wrote that
mircea_popescu: seems pretty els.
ben_vulpes: extra letter syndrome?
mircea_popescu: english as a language secundary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50621 @ 0.00024273 = 12.2872 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15382 @ 0.00024576 = 3.7803 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/supplement-company-under-fire-for-body-shaming-guess-why/
assbot: Supplement Company Under Fire For "Body Shaming." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa7Hck )
mircea_popescu: !up Kalki
mircea_popescu: "under fire" ? what exactly does that mean ?
mircea_popescu: "a bunch of fat slobs with too much time on their hands and a govt-subsidized internet connection are mashing keyboards" ?
Kalki: Hi, and thanks...
mircea_popescu: ello. who're you ?
Kalki: just an explorer who stumbled onto Trilema
mircea_popescu: ah i c.
Kalki: really enjoying the writing!
mircea_popescu: anything in particular ?
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/e2ee7e04c2577655bc8aa69b393caf58/tumblr_mesvhfBhNW1rpfeuyo1_1280.jpg where have all the female bellies went ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa8071 )
danielpbarron: apparently the fire backfired and scored the company more sales
Kalki: nah I just love words
mircea_popescu is not that crazy about the workout flats.
Kalki: still acclimating....
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what was that company that was "under fire" for something or other to do with gay marriage, ended up with booming sales ?
trinque: was it chick fil a?
danielpbarron: probably them ya
mircea_popescu: ah yeah
trinque: who gives a shit what a chicken sandwich company says about anything other than the sandwiches?
danielpbarron: it happened to me too. s'why I purged all social media of any reference to having a job
trinque: danielpbarron: said something about teh gays your job didn't like?
danielpbarron: something mean about the senator that got shot in the face
mircea_popescu: a senator got shot in the face ?
trinque: that chick
mircea_popescu: you mean, with a gun ? i mean... rifle ?
danielpbarron: gabby giffords
trinque: from one of the shitty desert states
trinque: yep
danielpbarron: yes with a gun; she's now got brain damage
trinque: danielpbarron: what'd you say?
danielpbarron: called her a retard
trinque: ono
danielpbarron: tweet still exists. one sec
trinque: come on, could've done better than retard
trinque: "democrats only use half a brain anyway"
mircea_popescu: poor woman
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/296646794639704065
assbot: Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "It's foolish to put any trust in the decision making skills of a mentally retarded former congressman (@GabbyGiffords) regarding our rights." ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3lLTD )
danielpbarron: they were parading her around as an example of why guns need to go away at the time
trinque: the guy was some cracked weirdo with no coherent reason for attacking here
mircea_popescu: why not as an example of why you shouldn't go around without one ?
trinque: *her
mircea_popescu: either seem about as vaguely related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00024576 = 10.838 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128736 << -everybody- says this, but same argument could apply to usg-izing just about anything ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:46:36; mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.
asciilifeform: (e.g., bitcoin)
trinque: maybe you solve that by letting people crash
asciilifeform: precisely
trinque: eventually everyone who couldn't handle it.. gone
asciilifeform: i would happily learn to fly 1920s machines with the proviso that 1920 rules would apply.
asciilifeform: all of them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66246 @ 0.00024641 = 16.3237 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (with, e.g., no more than the 1920s paperwork, or req'd maintenance, inspection crapolade, etc.)
trinque: sames goes for considerations around the legality of guns
trinque: anywhere everyone's constantly strapped is a place I don't want to be
trinque: seeing them all strapped would be a great indicator I'm in one of those undesirable places
asciilifeform: trinque: notice how usg succeeded in nationalizing, de-facto, all of airspace in usa
trinque: can't have people experimenting with... anything
asciilifeform: there is also a component of keeping the airlines in business, plus keeping a lid on unsanctioned 'interstate commerce' etc
asciilifeform: it seems almost laughably obvious that usg ought to hate and fear cheap private aviation
asciilifeform: (can't exactly stop a 'bleriot' at a red light and search for unsanctioned suitcase of benjies !)
danielpbarron: places where everyone is strapped are some of the safest places
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: cemetary - safer still
trinque: danielpbarron: depends where
trinque: chiraq?
danielpbarron: best example i can think of is porcfest. something like a third of the camp goers were open carrying the whole time. I didn't hear of a single instance of theft or fighting (with the exception of the guy who got too high on shrooms and fell through someone's tent by accident)
asciilifeform: possibly not clear what is 'strapped' ?
asciilifeform: i assumed it meant 'belted to a chair'
trinque: heh!
danielpbarron: pistols mostly, but also ak's and whatnot
asciilifeform: the 'safest' place, short of cemetary, is probably a psych ward
asciilifeform: i don't grasp the preoccupation with 'safety.'
trinque: danielpbarron: I think that group might self-select for people who have some measure of respect for their weapons
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't either; when it comes up I tend to say "yes, and turns out you still die at the end"
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu observed, 'everybody gets a death, adequate to his needs, guaranteed.' and i'd rather have mine in a 'bleriot' or holding ak, than from cancer of the tonsils
asciilifeform suffers from acute dietary deficit of 'micromorts'
asciilifeform: perhaps - it shows.
trinque: heh do some rugs
trinque: *drugs
trinque prescribes risky lifestyle
asciilifeform: that's entirely the wrong type of 'micromort'
trinque: but seriously, I'll take the death of a spaceman
asciilifeform: more like getting to the tonsil cancers faster
trinque: asciilifeform: this is my hypothesis on various "risky" lifestyles like bdsm, drug taking, rock climbing, whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67990 @ 0.00024119 = 16.3985 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: bdsm is 'risky' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ ?
trinque: that humans need and seek a certain amount of risk to maintain mental health
asciilifeform: this is not a complete picture
trinque: maybe not, fill it in?
asciilifeform: for instance, i get a fairly good shot at violent death while commuting, but it doesn't do anything positive mentally
asciilifeform: perhaps because it doesn't give the flavour of confronting nature, or fellow man
asciilifeform: or possibly because it is associated with drudgery
trinque: yeah, there is probably something much more specific than "risk" to be said
mod6: alright, i've got a first-draft of the gentoo stage3 AMI guide put up for review. Feel free to test this out if anyone wants. I'm having some local guys try this out for me as well. Will report any updates back here.
asciilifeform: ianas! (... not a shrink)
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/build-stage3-notes.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dYr2mB )
danielpbarron: but it doesn't do anything positive mentally << you're not driving fast enough
trinque: mod6: abridged handbook, very nice!
trinque: danielpbarron: hear hear!
danielpbarron: the highway is less boring if you're the fastest one on it
trinque: "did something risky today which required skill to perform, survived it" << seems a great candidate for a built-in positive feeling
mod6: this is a ``living-guide'' for the time being as this is pretty much ``phase-1'' of this process; ``phase-2'' will entail getting a tool-chain in place that satisfies requirements.
trinque notes deedbot happily accepts manifests for builds of various useful tools :D
trinque: mod6: I crapped together a bash script that does much of what's here, not fit for general consumption yet
trinque: snagged particularly on a non-braindead way of producing an AMI from it (prior efforts involved using another running ec2 instance)
trinque: I got as far as having a "bundle" uploaded to s3, where trying to "register" that barfs incomprehensibly
mod6: ah, ok. well, if you get it in shape, let me know. i do think a lot of this could be automated.
mod6: I'll eventually publish a final form of this to the btc-dev mailing list once I have these guys execute it manually & verify that it works for them.
trinque: work's ongoing, I need the tool
trinque: barfs this currently -> A client error (InvalidManifest) occurred when calling the RegisterImage operation: HTTP 403 (Forbidden) response for URL
trinque: which... fuck you AWS, that IAM does have permission to diddle the bucket
asciilifeform: with respect to mod6's blood, sweat, tears - gentoo on aws seems quite like the proverbial 'lipstick on the pig' imho
trinque: asciilifeform: at least in this case what I really have is a gentoo builder that could as easily build a disk image for a box in front of me
trinque: the aws part just munches the disk image
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah. i agree. maybe when I have a better idea of what's actually going on, i'll have a bare rails guide or something similar.
mod6: gotta get phase-2 sorted, then will create non-aws guide.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24424 @ 0.00024761 = 6.0476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00024869 = 23.9737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7126 @ 0.00024869 = 1.7722 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bdsm is very risky for the single, naive/retarded female. it is almost as risky for the single, ideologically captive male.
mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge risky for anyone else, except, of course, as far as the presence of the former impels.
jurov: mircea_popescu: f.mpif marketmaker needs some rebalancing, it has all shares with only about 3BTC left
mircea_popescu: jurov alrighty. what's official price on them ?
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ?
jurov: ^ is this official?
mircea_popescu: jurov so trade 10k shares for 21.367 btc ?
mircea_popescu: o wait that's btcalpha
jurov: and you mean 100k perhaps
mircea_popescu: he total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00021372
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah. or 200k for 2x ?
mircea_popescu: what's your pleasure ?
jurov: can be 200k, if the trend is expected to continue
mircea_popescu: aite, 200k for 42.744 coming right up.
mod6: bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19] hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14] hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib"
mod6 just saw that option
mircea_popescu: yeah,
mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mod6: *nod*, I'll work on trying that out and getting an update in there. :]
mod6: it's kind-of baby-steps on this thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, reddit is down for emergency maintenance
mircea_popescu: aww
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24590 @ 0.00024889 = 6.1202 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @ 0.00024182 = 22.1628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00024182 = 23.7709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73550 @ 0.00024064 = 17.6991 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68848 @ 0.00024956 = 17.1817 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99386 @ 0.00025065 = 24.9111 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42584 @ 0.00025219 = 10.7393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00025414 = 3.6342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 69557 @ 0.00004073 = 2.8331 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32912 @ 0.00025219 = 8.3001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.0002496 = 25.5341 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19312 @ 0.00025312 = 4.8883 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0166 = 1.992 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: For those in need of a few laughs http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/11/technology/nasdaq-bitcoin-technology/
assbot: Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cnn moving into the wordsalad humor racket. reddit turf.
TheNewDeal: And with all the same vocabulary. No need to relearn "blockchain technology" when we've heard it a few dozen times before!
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
trinque: here's another one http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/09/asia/saudi-airstrikes-yemen/index.html
assbot: U.N. rep accuses Saudis of violating international law - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDRwDW )
trinque: not so many laughs
trinque: and isn't the US a part of this "coalition" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00025867 = 22.944 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: saudi arabia actually can fly all those planes it was collecting ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought they're just pulling a great gatsby / jerry seifeld, and just storing them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68903 @ 0.00025 = 17.2258 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: "The indiscriminate bombing of populated areas, with or without prior warning, is as American as it gets," Van Der Klaauw said in a statement. Ftfy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00023978 = 6.9409 BTC [-]
trinque: TheNewDeal: yeah, sounds like us, right?
TheNewDeal: Just hope plays from the usian book dont become the norm
mircea_popescu: famously, the returning, defeated nazis said the same thing.
mircea_popescu: "just pray, madam, that the russians don't do to you and your daughters anything like"
trinque: seems inevitable that it will, just a question of whose flying robots they are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71300 @ 0.00023978 = 17.0963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00024161 = 14.8711 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77173 @ 0.00023946 = 18.4798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00024378 = 7.0696 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up hktud0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00026055 = 4.3903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00026055 = 1.1204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31869 @ 0.00025611 = 8.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00025518 = 16.2167 BTC [-] {2}
scoopbot_revived: Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It's for the children. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-usa-saudi-summit-idUSKBN0NW1EV20150512 << when Saudi Kings bomb Yemeni civilians, American diplomats "scramble" to assure them.
assbot: U.S. rejects notion that Gulf rulers snubbing Obama summit| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JE4VvG )
trinque: "The conspiracy theorists of old have been proven right. The U.S. creates threats for us and then offers us more weapons systems. That does not bode well for us," said Sami Alfaraj, a Kuwaiti security adviser to the six-nation GCC.
trinque: gulf states are officially wise to our shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85448 @ 0.00026157 = 22.3506 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025091 = 5.8211 BTC [-] {3}
scoopbot_revived: In which Orwell avoids what he does not wish to see http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62759 @ 0.00025218 = 15.8266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40581 @ 0.00024975 = 10.1351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00024272 = 15.3884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127772 @ 0.00024361 = 31.1265 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90188 @ 0.00024724 = 22.2981 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026001 = 15.6006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118593 @ 0.00026152 = 31.0144 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155107 @ 0.00026364 = 40.8924 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24436 @ 0.00026461 = 6.466 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60046 @ 0.00026783 = 16.0821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00026792 = 2.0094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00026794 = 20.5778 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29712 @ 0.00025526 = 7.5843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51988 @ 0.00025496 = 13.2549 BTC [-]
Adlai: Quisquid satoshī dictum est, altus sonatur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11833 @ 0.00026441 = 3.1288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00026459 = 3.6381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00026574 = 5.2351 BTC [+] {2}
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm) ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00026798 = 17.4187 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45979 @ 0.00026101 = 12.001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111200 @ 0.00026697 = 29.6871 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00025904 = 3.8856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00025904 = 7.4863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00025904 = 15.7755 BTC [-]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023904 / 0.00025266 / 0.00026807 (4666118 shares, 1,178.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.00023331 / 0.00026807 (38805806 shares, 9,054.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026936 / 0.00033918 (91708839 shares, 24,702.89 BTC)
jurov: !up kalki
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/05/americas-achilles-heel.html << mega-orlol
assbot: ClubOrlov: America's Achilles' Heel ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgksZA )
asciilifeform: 'And that's where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison...'
decimation: asciilifeform: things are already heading that way. there's a 'Schelling point' that enlarges every year around the "USG sucks" idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00026613 = 24.1912 BTC [+] {3}
lobbes: 'The Russian plan, along with China, India, and much of the rest of the world, is to prepare for war with the US, but to do everything possible to avoid it. Time is on their side, because with each passing day they become stronger while America grows weaker.'
lobbes: Why India though? Aren't they essentially an arm of usg?
williamdunne: They could probably break off quite easily with the assistance of Russia and China.
williamdunne: US is only 12% of Indias exports
williamdunne: 4~% of imports
jurov: he made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual.
jurov: otherwise, pot-caling-kettle-blackism exercise
lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921412/ssds-have-a-problem-theyre-getting-too-fast-too-soon.html < the x86 world's inability to 'fabric' well is becoming embarrassing now that SSD's are increasing in performance
assbot: SSDs have a problem: They're getting too fast, too soon | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1cNQY4l )
jurov: they mention gamers. and that would only be a problem for games with terabytes of installed data that need constant shuffling to/from the ssd
jurov: are there any? and if, how are they distributed in the us? certainly not on blurays or by the net
jurov: maybe minecraft with trillions of voxels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00027029 = 15.9201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00027241 = 5.4618 BTC [+]
Adlai: "prison is bootcamp for career criminals"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00027109 = 10.5725 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71925 @ 0.00027249 = 19.5988 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up punkman
Adlai: it's a proverbial variation on "'mandatory' is bootcamp for reserves"
Adlai: although the funny thing is, my reserve duty just keeps getting cancelled due to lack of necessity for my amazing talents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00027261 = 13.7668 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201650 @ 0.00026087 = 52.6044 BTC [-] {5}
lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97400 @ 0.00025554 = 24.8896 BTC [-] {3}
lobbes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128914 << mega-l0l, truly. did they invent a new 'blockchain' where they get to backpedal on 'undesirable' ('wrong button', 'insider', misc. bullshit) trades ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 05:27:44; assbot: Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc )
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 << aha. glibc is dead to me. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
ascii_field: and it is quite embarrassing how long it has gotten away with slipping a cockroach into every single bowl of soup we eat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.0002662 = 18.3944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172350 @ 0.00026671 = 45.9675 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93400 @ 0.00026879 = 25.105 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 << aha. glibc is dead to me. << gentoo's hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64 ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
trinque: this is also interesting https://github.com/gentoo/libressl
assbot: gentoo/libressl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4X4I )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00025353 = 2.4466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00025146 = 19.199 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the blockchain with a dialup modem
mod6: trinque: <+mod6> bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19] hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14] hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib << yeah
mod6: im gonna work on running through my doc & setting that up instead tonight.
trinque: sweet
jurov: mike_c yo, is it possible to have direct links like http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/somewhere/$fingerprint ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbRy69 )
jurov: !up mike_c
mike_c: yes
mike_c: i'll add something
jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there ☟︎
mod6: cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00026479 = 8.9631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.0002517 = 10.886 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: for those who did not watch the 'elbrus' youtube (did anyone ?) - if the screenshots are genuine , we now know that one core of 'elbrus' has approximately same benchmark performance as 'pogo.'
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: and in the latest lulz for today, http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/#comment-114124
assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTf3B )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00025499 = 4.7556 BTC [+]
lobbes: 'Before I consider joining your Web of Trust' lmao
mircea_popescu: it's funny, what a few decades of "everyone else is your supporting cast" has done to joe blow.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's almost like they've forgotten what "right of admission reserved" actually means because of this ongoing "the customer is ALWAYS right" nonsense
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not even that, lol. i'm not making a judgement based on how the twerp presents itself. this is more like, "you're not famous, go away", but for a much better definition of famous. "people i care about heard of you."
mircea_popescu: "but i have a shirt and shoes!" "so does my goat."
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100311 @ 0.00025293 = 25.3717 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: absurdistly obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU
assbot: The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KdIR )
hanbot: mircea_popescu http://data3.whicdn.com/images/46005295/large.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KpaU )
mircea_popescu: aww!
mircea_popescu: i bet nobody gets them booze, either.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4LfEJ )
trinque: an (obvious) idea... someone could resell BISP boxes as virtual machine hosts
trinque: qntra article made mention that it'll want to cater to larger customers, so perhaps that fills the gap for those needing smaller instances
mircea_popescu: sure. moreover,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125647 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 19:42:12; mircea_popescu: which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work.
trinque: nice
jurov: TomServo: ^^
mircea_popescu: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/952/866/367365/ << this thing that got linked on the recent bisp announcement is pretty interesting on its own.
assbot: United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee Cross-appellant, v. Marsden W. Miller, Jr., and William C. Huls,defendants-appellants Cross-appellees, 952 F.2d 866 (5th Cir. 1992) :: Justia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNfNvQ )
mircea_popescu: "In a line of precedent almost a century old, the Supreme Court has repeatedly stressed that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not preclude the government from retrying a defendant whose conviction is set aside because of an error in the proceedings leading to conviction."
mircea_popescu: basically this translates to "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things it doesn't want to do, not to protect the citizens from things the government wants to do but shouldn't"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things... << this doctrine is almost as old as the parchment itself
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: "While different theories have been advanced to support the permissibility of retrial, of greater importance than the conceptual abstractions employed to explain the Ball principle are the implications of that principle for the sound administration of justice. Corresponding to the right of an accused to be given a fair trial is the societal interest in punishing one whose guilt is clear after he has obtained such a tri
mircea_popescu: al. It would be a high price indeed for society to pay were every accused granted immunity from punishment because of any defect sufficient to constitute reversible error in the proceedings leading to conviction. From the standpoint of a defendant, it is at least doubtful that appellate courts would be as zealous as they now are in protecting against the effects of improprieties at the trial or pretrial stage if they k
mircea_popescu: new that reversal of a conviction would put the accused irrevocably beyond the reach of further prosecution."
mircea_popescu: imagine the perversity of this.
mircea_popescu: "if we don't steal your rights right at the top, it is unlikely our agents at lower levels would not steal them anyway"
mircea_popescu: dude... fuck you ?
mircea_popescu: you get one shot, like everyone else. if you miss, you've missed.
mircea_popescu: this entire "government's speshul" doctrine...
ascii_field: saying 'i want a government only -so- big' is a bit like asking for 'a tumour only -so- big'
mircea_popescu: "guilt is clear" === "we are butthurt"
ascii_field: and this is the national disease of u.s. folks.
mircea_popescu: perhaps, yes.
mircea_popescu: so government can fuck up the conviction, gets a second shot because hey, govt's speshul. you go fuck up your tax returns, see how that goes over.
ascii_field: they get as many shots as it takes.
mircea_popescu: "but your honor, it would be a price too high for society to pay were the government granted the right to act because of any defect sufficient to invalidate submitted tax reports"
ascii_field: also note what the crime in this case was.
ascii_field: (attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils)
thestringpuller: bitmex d00d says, and i quote, "it is trivial to mitm mpex.co cause it uses http"
mircea_popescu: apparently, corrupt govt official with private intersts made pro-forma arrangements to rid himself of these so as to use govt tools to further them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0002653 = 2.2418 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller but who's asking him ?
thestringpuller: reddit users i suppose so it is irrelevant. the level of ignorance is just astonishing tho
ascii_field: thestringpuller: remember, tungsten melts in your mouth.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, see, the opinions of people who do not own 30 btc to their name as to the comings and goings of places where this is a minimum requisite bar do not constitute proper ignorance. it's like saying country bumpkins in montana have no idea how broadstreet works. they obviously don't, but this because the goat does not know calendars.
scoopbot_revived: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XI http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xi/
mircea_popescu: what business of it is theirs ? "oh, you're so ignorant, you don't even know astronomy". well... he's a farm hand, let him farm.
mircea_popescu: !up Crypton
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what's crypton ?
mod6: nmon charts from the entire v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke sync/test: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/
assbot: Index of /OrphanageThermonukeCharts ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNimOf )
mircea_popescu: mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Disk.png << this space intentionally left blank ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNivkU )
mod6: Hmm, the swap and & disk are blank for some reason. im sure I just didn't do something correct with those.
mircea_popescu: and that % style is pretty bad
ascii_field: and why not just for bitcoind process ?
ascii_field: why whole box ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's a bot that logs a couple of channels for me
mircea_popescu: ah ok.
mircea_popescu: mod6 omfg wtf <4gb ?! WUT ?!
mod6: *shrug* lol
mircea_popescu: it is THAT good this thing ?!
mod6: i just kicked it on and let it run. i've never used it before.
mod6: so this is just my first shot at it, really.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-05-2015#1128716 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:38:06; asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram
mod6: i'll maybe try another tool next time.
mircea_popescu: mod6 listen, what happened in the 6-12 may interval ? full blockchain sync ? something else ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 4gb is pretty impressive tbh.
mod6: which chart are you looking at mircea_popescu?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ~200M
ascii_field: is the actual process steady-state
ascii_field: on my box.
mod6: the box was doing nothing else while this thing was running.
mircea_popescu: mod6 doesn't matter which chart per se, just trying to put this in context. what was bitcoind doing in the interval ?
ascii_field: so far, i'm 90% certain that this is mainly due to fragging.
mod6: OH
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't recall ever running a node under 8gb, and for that matter that was more like 2012. i think everything now's 32.
mod6: yeah, full blockchain sync
mod6: sorry.
mircea_popescu: 6 days ?
mircea_popescu: also pretty good.
mod6: yeah about that.
mod6: started on 20150505
mod6: ended yesterday, the 11th.
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Page_Faults.png << negative page faults o.O
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiQ5wQ )
mod6: yeah, some of these charts don't make sense to me.
mod6: maybe that just means there was only a few page faults.
mod6: most of the time, looks like 0? except for the beginning.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah kinda what i was trying to evaluate, if the "0, usually" is valid.
trinque: lol is it a signed int that wrapped?
mod6: no idea. i can post the raw data if someone wants to pour through it.
mod6: 112Mb lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must say the profiling seen here crowns an expectation that has been slowly building from what was shown prior, ie that the snipped bitcoin 5 we're using is actually a major improvement over the old bitcoin 5, and thus very, very far ahead of bitcoin 10/11/etc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu did read the patch iirc
mircea_popescu: ascii_field industrial engineering is a three century old history of "minimal improvements have astounding effects"
ascii_field: doesn't change much
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha, 'the right screw' (tm)
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ascii_field specializes in approximately this kind of circus trick
mod6: anyway, I was considering running another full-sync without the OrphanageThermonuke patch -- just a v0.5.3.1-RELEASE baseline.
mircea_popescu: dabbled in same, back in the day.
mod6: then maybe we have something to compare too... and maybe even a v0.5.3 original baseline as well.
ascii_field: mod6: by all means, the more - the merrier
ascii_field: ben_vulpes iirc had a few graphs
mircea_popescu: mod6 not a bad idea. but make sure you package these with the required context and publish them.
mod6: gotcha.
ascii_field: mod6: best to let these run in parallel
mod6: anyway, sorry if the charts were less then stellar, but at least /something/ to look at.
mircea_popescu: as it is, this reporting, it is a 90% of an excellent job. make the extra 10%. make it whole, it'll be great.
ascii_field: (they still won't deterministically sync from same places, but still)
mod6: ascii_field: parallel?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe even think about writing a qntra piece, or ben_vulpes
ascii_field: mod6: on two identical boxes
ascii_field: simultaneously
mod6: hrm. well...
mod6: too expensive.
mod6: the one alone costs me $89/mo. and now i've got 2 others for gentoo, and another one is gonna get pricy for this month.
ascii_field: do it at home ?
mod6: so, i probably just run them consecutively unless it /really/ matters.
mod6: i don't have the kinda hardware for this sort of ting.
mod6: *thing
mircea_popescu: i don't see it makes that big of a difference.
ascii_field: probably doesn't
mod6: if you're looking at timing metrics, I can just use 'time' or just rely on the time started in PS and subtract that from the end time.
mod6: s/PS/`ps`/
mircea_popescu: dun worry bout it mod6
mircea_popescu: just, you two, package this in a detailed, explicit, clear, verbose article.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: so i've been listening to aerosmith all morning. shocking how great bad music was, 40 or so years ago.
mircea_popescu: entertainment's in this weird situation where the olympic record holders of today couldn't meet the quals for regional competitions in the 70s.
lobbes: also, music that made it to the 'top of the charts' back then was actually music
lobbes: btw, 4gb full sync!?
lobbes: My old turdcoin is about 47 gb atm
mircea_popescu: memory not disk.
lobbes: ah duh
lobbes: almost crapped myself
mircea_popescu: lol.
mod6: # du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
mod6: 44G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
mod6: yeah, this is the size of the full bc sync (v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke)
lobbes: hmm so about 3 gb culled?
ascii_field: lobbes: what are you comparing to ?
ascii_field: recall, we aren't using the leveldb thing
lobbes: 8.1.0 O.o
lobbes: ah okay
mircea_popescu: more indexes prolly.
mod6: the debug.log itself is 977Mb
mod6: so the size of that entire directory is not exactly an accurate picture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00027215 = 13.2945 BTC [+]
mod6: 17 2.0Gb blk*.dat files = 34Gb + 9.5Gb blkindex.dat == 43.5Gb
mircea_popescu: +an 18th ~200mb
trinque: mircea_popescu: I tend to think this was the last time rock happened -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQjFB3MV4s
assbot: Bone Broke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNkAx2 )
mod6: anyway, mircea_popescu I'll talk to ben_vulpes about helping me write something up for these charts.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> +an 18th ~200mb << 247M blk0018.dat
mod6: yes :)
mircea_popescu: trinque im not even sure how rock aerosmith is, or what it all means.
mod6: anyway, thanks for taking a look!
trinque: that 300mph torrential outpour blues is good too
lobbes: I've got a love for 'fast blues'; srv and the like
lobbes: still enough soul to not be made by a machine, but fast enough to say 'damn'
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSmOvYzSeaQ << check out 90s EGA high techs
assbot: Aerosmith - Amazing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNllGv )
ascii_field: speaking of which, i just bought a 486-133.
ascii_field: (was searching for years for a 100% silent example of such, finally found)
ascii_field: (where? from him: http://www.belxs.com/michel/soundbox )
assbot: Michel's MIDI box ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNlt94 )
mircea_popescu: http://t.imgbox.com/DA1uRbI3.jpg back in the day
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmlu9 )
ascii_field: l0l, i had one
ascii_field: or almost same
ascii_field: good old vlb
mircea_popescu: speaking of someliers, they have a forum, you know ? http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=33438
assbot: VOGONS • View topic - MY ROCKING AMD 486 - ??? MHZ SYSTEM VLB ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmxd2 )
jurov never had vlb. tried to overclock isa instead, burned disk controller and wiped data
ascii_field had isa, eisa, vlb, and even - last - mca boxes.
trinque: my first computer was a piece of shit 486 with a turbo button
ascii_field: (mca was this weird ibm thing, physically shaped like pci slot but electrically 100% martian)
mircea_popescu: i had a 286! and (after that!) a weird pc-xt that had asm debugger built into bios. and so on
ascii_field: when had that box, had a 'chipchat' sound card, afaik the only one made for mca
ascii_field: https://www.chipchat.com/mca/soundcard/soundcard.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnhio )
ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l! they're still on www!
ascii_field: https://www.chipchat.com/ChipChatDirect.html << sold!?!?!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNniTf )
mircea_popescu: was that a sound blaster repackaged ?
ascii_field: it was entirely own animal
ascii_field: on account of the vastly different bus
ascii_field: but - somehow - mostly compatible from dos
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the weird daughterboard was a midi synth
ascii_field: i later pulled it off and plugged into an ordinary sb-16
ascii_field: where it happily worked for years.
danielpbarron: the smashing guitar thing is very rock and roll. here's the original i think -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g
assbot: My Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnBxA )
mircea_popescu: so it WAS a sb repackaging then ? the chipchat ?
ascii_field: again, not repackaging. very different chip (to sit on ibm's bizarre mca bus) but emulated sb.
ascii_field: (at the time the fastest box i had, had mca bus only)
mircea_popescu: weird, the sort of shit they could do back then.
mircea_popescu: back to the lulzlaw department for a moment, " Nonetheless, the government concedes that it failed to file a timely certificate with the district court "that the appeal was not taken for purpose of delay and that the evidence is a substantial proof of a fact material in the proceeding," although § 3731 required it to do so. The government has now filed such a certificate, and correctly notes that the late filing, alth
mircea_popescu: ough not regarded with favor, does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions."
mircea_popescu: o, so the government filed late ? it's ok, we'll invent some legally meaningless words it can be bad in, but otherwise it's fine.
mircea_popescu: you try filing late.
mircea_popescu: fuckheads delayed filing the certificate that they're not appealing to delay.
mircea_popescu: "The certificate was filed seven months after the entry of the district court's order and six months after the filing of the government's notice of appeal. It was filed only after the defendants raised the issue of its absence in their briefs to this Court."
mircea_popescu: and so therefore, " If the requirement of the timely filing of a certificate is to have substantial meaning, the government's appeal here should be dismissed. Indeed, the purpose of the certificate requirement is to ensure the government has verified the propriety of its appeal, and so certified to the district court, at the time it files its notice of appeal. That purpose is defeated by the perfunctory filing of the c
mircea_popescu: ertificate after the appeal has been docketed and briefed and within days of its argument in this Court."
mircea_popescu: but is there a disbarment of the government counsel as a result of attempted fraud in open court ?
jurov: "but that does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions"
mircea_popescu: where is the one year in the can for contempt + civil liability for the prosecuting team + their eighteen indictment trial for all sorts of fraud, abuse of legal process etc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: rule of law is a statal fiction, news-at-eleven.
mircea_popescu: check it out, the government is required to file a certificate. and if they don't... fuckall. and if it's fraudulent ? all the better.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, the government can contempt the court all it wants, that's what it's there for after all.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: !rated theymos
assbot: You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cec108a1b9ef61cc0ce17e80b2fed4ec/tumblr_meuxlnPw761qjm83bo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNqm1Y )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82358 @ 0.00026211 = 21.5869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171441 @ 0.0002599 = 44.5575 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: who's the statue of in that shitty photoshop anyway
mircea_popescu: looks like a tail
hanbot: mircea_popescu> <mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ? << hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to help me make one?
mircea_popescu: hm yeah, aws is useful to have but it really shouldnt be a dependency.
jurov: just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128969 << dude, i actually like CultOs ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 12:50:01; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm)
mircea_popescu: Adlai why do you think final i in satoshi is long ?
mircea_popescu: it's not satoshii is it ?
davout: mircea_popescu: it's CultOS duh
davout: not CultOs
mircea_popescu: heathen.
mircea_popescu: heretic.
davout: next we'll have our CultPhones and CultPads yo
davout: get in line for your CultWatches
BingoBoingo: Just have to get cultOS compiled on SPARC
mircea_popescu: cultundies, for those girls that still wear the things.
mircea_popescu: that orlov link...
jurov: cultchat
mircea_popescu: "Western media focused on the fact that western leaders declined to attend the celebration, either in a fit of pique or because so ordered by the Obama administration, but this only highlights their combined irrelevance, be it in defeating Hitler, or in commemorating his defeat 70 years later."
mircea_popescu: bwhaha. who penned this i wish to know ? the man himself is incapable of such quality.
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 47728 Known Moduli: 31262 Moduli Waiting for Test: 4584 Running Product (Π(∀n)): 43224973 digits
mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there are also 68 keys with duplicate moduli, but i imagine that wouldn't impact very much the overall numbers ?
cazalla: given all this interracial stuff.. in other news http://i.imgur.com/Sw9HtSO.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNvDqa )
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that
cazalla: i dunno, just some random imgur
mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ? ☟︎☟︎
davout: cazalla: irlkek
jurov: O.o
mircea_popescu: here, i see your gavin andresen impersonator and raise you, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m421aoiZzX1qjm83bo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNw6sj )
mircea_popescu: a barbie doll by a rack of boy toys.
jurov: and interracial hints, too
mircea_popescu: heh, intel points out that is not an impersonator. https://paw.princeton.edu/_internal/cimg!0/oh4xm7lc83q8lk7h15cuz4zuk3nzeim
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwirC )
mircea_popescu: from https://paw.princeton.edu/issues/2013/11/13/pages/7588/index.xml
assbot: Princeton Alumni Weekly: Buying into Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwiIg )
mircea_popescu: apparently the SEW way to do urls is .xml
jurov: 'x' in xml means eXecutable yaknow
mircea_popescu: yea. eXecutable Mega Lolz
trinque: someone probably had an autism fit about how xhtml is some particular schema represented in XML, you see
mircea_popescu: i imagine.
mircea_popescu: "Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, [blablabla] made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual."
mircea_popescu: dude seriously, that's how russian orthodoxy-lite works ?
mircea_popescu: at this rate they could probably use it as an anti-islam equivalent.
hanbot: jurov> just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook << wasn't the point at least in part to crop that thing tho'?
jurov: hanbot i don't know what mod6 exactly meant
hanbot: well i guess we'll find out!
trinque: only difference should be where you plonk the resulting root fs
mircea_popescu: "If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting."
mircea_popescu: bwahgaha. these EXACT PEOPLE prostituted their dead, and their living, wives, children, the lot. by the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. not even fifty years ago.
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so... yeah, which way the state goes is part and parcel of it.
lobbes: definitely as widely held << lol
mircea_popescu: lobbes i was talking about femen specifically. you think not ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274452 @ 0.00025036 = 68.7118 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35548 @ 0.0002412 = 8.5742 BTC [-]
lobbes: mircea_popescu was appreciating the wordplay ;/ But I would agree nonetheless
mircea_popescu: ah yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00025408 = 5.7676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181552 @ 0.00024077 = 43.7123 BTC [-] {2}
lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times. ☟︎
lobbes probably needs to read more anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00024032 = 13.8785 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180315 @ 0.00025464 = 45.9154 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: guy not far from me selling a bitcoin atm.. wants 5k for it.. tell him he's dreamin' http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highett/other-electronics-computers/lamassu-bitcoin-atm-machine-new/1078507188
assbot: Lamassu Bitcoin ATM Machine - New | Other Electronics & Computers | Gumtree Australia Bayside Area - Highett | 1078507188 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaZHJM )
mircea_popescu: heh. he paid 4k and wants to make a profit, CLEARLY he should get 5k.
pete_dushenski: cazalla lamassus are worth a grand.
pete_dushenski: at most.
mircea_popescu: offer him 5% in the btctc shambles ?
mircea_popescu: worth 100k!
pete_dushenski: typical homeowner thinking really.
pete_dushenski: whether in buenos aires or edmonotn
pete_dushenski: edmonton*
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he paid more.. 9k USD plus taxes
pete_dushenski: "i want to make x and i won't sell for less"
pete_dushenski: hey, if they want to wait and the carrying costs aren't crushing them, let 'em dream.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: starvation is the adequate solution to this problem.
cazalla: even if it was cheap (could stick it in my uncle's shop), prob attract legal issues anyway
pete_dushenski: a hungry seller is a motivated seller.
trinque: !up livegnik
pete_dushenski: ;;tlsb
gribble: Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 22 minutes and 40 seconds
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 356143 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 688 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47854762116.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.44364
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126436 << I'm terribly sorry about that, I confused you with williamdunne ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 15:49:16; funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing. This is a public log.
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the blockchain with a dialup modem << lol how do you handle the log?
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-05-2015#1126254 << To give my definitive word on the matter I'd have to review his works in their entirety and learn ionic Greek + Greek philosophy. For now, I read the first ~150 pages of Hippocrates, Acient Medicine, Vol. 1 - English translation by W.H.S. Jones. It did not strike me as "new age-y". The author(s) of this particular work was clearly attempting, to the best of ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 06:39:04; mircea_popescu: curious if it'd also seem new age-y.
gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that philosophy had aban ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: doned medicine and that medicine would have been better off to abandon philosophy. He also notes that "On Wounds in the Head" contains remarkably practical techniques that would have been extremely advanced had they discovered antiseptics. I don't know enough about the development of medicine to (dis)agree with this assessment, but will note that Semmelweis didn't discover antiseptics until ~1850 (and the medical co
gabriel_laddel: mmunity then ignored his discovery). Contrast with "New Age medicine", which afaik, an ill-defined set of practices quite distanced from the leading edge of technology. If they were any good at what they were doing they'd have their own funtoo fork, pdf extractor, WoT and we'd be using it.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg << what is the beta for?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb3bMA )
williamdunne: gabriel_laddel: What did I say?
gabriel_laddel: williamdunne: that the jews were overrepresented in banking
gabriel_laddel: *are
williamdunne: Ah, thats a few days back
williamdunne: IIRC Pete already corrected me on that one
gabriel_laddel: Yeah. I read his blog post on intelligence and genetics, confused the two of you and thought he was making some sort of ad-hoc /pol/-style 'argument'.
mod6: <+hanbot> ... hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to me make one? << yea, absolutely. I'll get there at some point soon hopefully.
BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/RvF9Pje.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HctjnQ )
mod6: Allow me to elaborate for a minute here and I'll explain why I did what I did.
mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind. ☟︎
mod6: One of my goals was to get this going as soon as possible in AWS so we could continue with builds/testing/development and ditch Debian6. And additonally, I have a 350Gb storage volume there that I wanted to not just discard as it has at least half-a-dozen fully sync'd blockchains on there.
mod6: So the idea was that I would learn a few things about Gentoo, get a hand-rolled stage3 + a fully blessed tool chain and be able to attch my "btc-dev" storage volume and just pick up where we left-off -- at lesat as far as what artifacts I'd already collected.
mod6: Upon news of my endevour, Mr. P. asked me to document what I'd done carefully so we all can be on the same page -- which is also good because I don't know what I'm doing with Gentoo anyway. Having people look over what I'm doing provides some bit of steering in-case I get off course.
mod6: So basically that's where we are. I've gotten to the point where I can create an AWS AMI -> deploy hand-rolled Gentoo instance. I'll certainly continue to build out the blessed toolchain over the next week and beyond. Further, then I'll take what I've learned from all of this and apply it to building a hand-rolled Gentoo on a bare-rails environment.
mod6: Apparently this is not much different than what I've already done, but I really don't know.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: have you looked into the portage sources?
gabriel_laddel: I was poking around the other day - first there is ~70k LoC, which wtf seriously
mod6: And lastly, I really need to get some sort of physical environment here to support that last part. So I'll work on figuring out something for that as well. Maybe even an old laptop.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel but if anyone opposed to smoking, drinking and eating whatever falls into your hads is "new age bs", then hippo should be too.
mircea_popescu: guy's practice was mostly focused on dietary approaches to medicine.
mod6: <+gabriel_laddel> mod6: have you looked into the portage sources? << what do you mean by "looked into"?
gabriel_laddel: mod6: I wrote an ebuild parser, ran sloccount, read through the documentation, opened a few files + ebuilds at random and read through them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00024795 = 26.2827 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: mod6: I would classify that as "looking into" portage
trinque: diddling portage internals is probably out of scope for what he's working on
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I've heard rumors of gentoo+common-lisp but haven't seen anything; is that you?
mod6: gabriel_laddel: yeah, you'll have to forgive me, i have no idea what you're referring to.
trinque: mod6: package manager thing for gentoo
trinque: portage
gabriel_laddel: mod6: portage is the project that houses "emerge"
mod6: yeah, well, I did add the "portage-latest" into the handrolled gentoo.
mod6: it's in there.
mod6: as far as "looking into" anything specific... i didn't. to me it just seems similar to freebsd's ports or something.
gabriel_laddel: kk
gabriel_laddel: trinque: yeah, I'm fixing the install guide and writing an introductory bare-bones lesson now
mod6: for 3rd party packages right?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: awesome, I look forward to that
gabriel_laddel: trinque: since people are derping around with gentoo, might as well release something
trinque: indeed.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: nah, I just wanted to use something more sane than their default package manager
mod6: ah. ok.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: it is rather poorly designed IMHO.
mod6: anyway, hanbot: I'll be updating the document as I go through this whole process. I'll let you know when I get something that's bare-rails specfic. Thanks for the help! :]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Aaron's post had nothing to say about smoking, drinking and I don't think that being opposed to these is "new age-y"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I was simply noting that I'm really the wrong person to speak with about living healthy if one wishes to carry on a conversation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96050 @ 0.00025114 = 24.122 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: mildly related to health: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6At3zIwwk7Q
assbot: Live robotic da Vinci radical prostatectomy during EAU congress - Barcelona - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcwDiY )
gabriel_laddel: ^ I had a lot of fun watching that last night
BingoBoingo: I find it kind of funny the first mainstream surgical robots are for urology.
mircea_popescu: ah
gabriel_laddel: skip to 5:33 for the first stitch
mircea_popescu: i prolly read to much into it.