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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.0141001 = 0.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.01679599 = 0.5039 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: looking at this data, bitcoin is just about the largest one thing on freenode.
mike_c: what's bigger?
mircea_popescu: depends how you count, but not really much.
mircea_popescu: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/medien-mehr-als-ein-dutzend-spione-in-ministerien-13042586.html
assbot: Medien: Mehr als ein Dutzend Spione in Ministerien
mircea_popescu: apparently zee germans found some spies
mircea_popescu: mike_c the best part is where wikipedia and darkcoin are about the same size.
mircea_popescu: lulzy mcloll.
mike_c: wow
mircea_popescu: a little ahead of... dwarf frothress
mircea_popescu: or w/e the pixel fountain is called.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the lulz,
mircea_popescu: "Built and operated in the United States, Bittrex is the next generation crypto trading platform created by security professionals. We are crypto-coin enthusiasts bringing more than 50 years of combined security and development experience to the trading community from companies, including Microsoft, Amazon, Qualys, and BlackBerry.
mircea_popescu: Given the recent security breaches and reliability issues experienced by other markets, we felt the community deserved better. If virtual currencies are to truly take off, trustworthy infrastructure is a prerequisite."
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #bittrex is: richie doesn't know how to send emails OR use topics...
mircea_popescu: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Thanks man. How are you doing today?
mircea_popescu: as good as can be expected i guess.
BayAreaCoins: Another day of the life eh ;)
mircea_popescu: so how's the bay area for coins ?
BayAreaCoins: Going pretty good man. I'm kind of in that limbo stage of waiting on nerdos to finish up code... Feel like that has been the story of my life for 4-6 months :)
BayAreaCoins: I think once all of it comes together... well it will come together :P Just kind of selling a gun or two while I wait. I need a new bag because I'm sorta bored with everything atm.. Life :D
BayAreaCoins: How is Romania for coins? Pretty wide usage over there?
mircea_popescu: i'm in... argentina.
mike_c: what are the nerdos working on?
BayAreaCoins: mike_c A automated drop shipping company and then a alt that I think is semi interesting (Huntercoin)
mike_c: automated drop shipping of what? you got warehouses or connections to suppliers?
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu ah very nice. I think if I was going to live in South America I'd be looking at Belize (ambergris caye.) Any reason why you chose Argentina over the other countries?
mircea_popescu: well, it seemed cooler, basically.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu haha hell ya
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.19000949 = 5.7003 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: <mol> !worth 1
mircea_popescu: <elbzonet[drkbot]> mol: 1.0 DRK @ 0.01047380 DRK/BTC (source:mintpal|53s) = 0.010474 BTC / 6.66 USD (source:bitstamp:40s)
mircea_popescu: <mol> !mnstats
mircea_popescu: <elbzonet[drkbot]> mol: 673 active masternodes (source:elbzone|8m6s) @ 0.01047380 DRK/BTC (source:mintpal|1m4s) = 7048.87 BTC / 4490058.05 USD in stake (source:bitstamp|55s)
BayAreaCoins: mike_c No need for warehouses or partnerships to start out with. Basically what the company is going to do is relist items with a very small price bump and automate everything. We have been testing with 200 items for the past little bit and are seeing a good chunk of volume moving. I guess my main concern is that the shippers do their job because refunds are going to be a total and complete pain in the ass.
mircea_popescu: darkcoin is so shitting lulzy
thestringpuller: ;;define equanimity
gribble: Error: "define" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;google equanimity
gribble: Equanimity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equanimity>; Equanimity - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equanimity>; Equanimity | Define Equanimity at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/equanimity>
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins is this your first attempt ?
thestringpuller: sounds like bitcoinshop.us ......
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu at a automated drop shipping company? Yes it is
thestringpuller: you might as well just buy an amazon gift card off of GYFT
mike_c: good luck, it's a crowded field. got a website up?
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins well then you won't be too surprised we just expect you to fail and learn from the experience ?
BayAreaCoins: mike_c not yet, still working on the code. Drop shipping Amazon from Ebay to start out with. Domain is locked down and I submitted articles of organization last night.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18510001 = 0.9255 BTC [-]
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu I never go into anything expecting to fail, but if I do that is why I have the LLC up :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18251127 = 1.4601 BTC [-] {4}
BayAreaCoins: Can't live life in fear of failure or you'll never take the chance you need to succeed. If I had a nickle for every time I fucked up... I'd have far more nickles than I do now ;)
mircea_popescu: i guess an automated online auction scalper isn't the absolute worst first project someone may try.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu No inventor and no employees that is always a plus. It'll be interesting needless to say. Our ebay lister is stacked with 24,000 items, but getting ebay to up our limits is a bit of a pain in the ass.
BayAreaCoins: What are you guys investing in BTC wise as of late? Losing JD has me a bit lost on the BTC investment side. Although, I'm balls deep in a alt I think has a good chance.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/mEhgyHdV << i do something like this maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe once a year. this is what i get.
assbot: * Now talking on #bittrex * Topic for #bittrex is: richie doesn't know how to s - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins there's fmpif which is roughly similar.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/877/difficulty-over-21bn-by-summers-end-2014/ << 21bn huh.
assbot: BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 12.38 B (94%) on Yes, 0.78 B (6%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 52`857 (100`000 to 3)
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310477 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 2002 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17408856848.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.41843
mircea_popescu: tempting as hell.
mike_c: still looking good for Monday? i'm getting an idiff itch.
mircea_popescu: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Thank you kindly
mircea_popescu: mike_c so far. you never know with these things until you get to test them
BayAreaCoins: Mostly in the Altcoin world I'm just trying to keep my holdings of HUC @ 5-10% of the O/S... I feel like ever since DOGE it has just exploded with shit on shit that is topped off with shit.
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
mike_c: "a human mine-able crypto currency" you know some people around here think BTC is human mineable.
BayAreaCoins: I like the mining structure and having potential to "create" jobs. Which I've got my fingers cross will bring more people into the crypto currency scene. It is at least different and the devs are know.
BayAreaCoins: Only thing that is semi tough is the need for HUC to start out mining HUC. Which is a good thing too at the same time.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu do you think we will continue to see this horrible trend of shit on shit?
mircea_popescu: human minable, i don't understand.
BayAreaCoins: www.Huntercoin.info that is the block chain. 90% of the coins are distributed via the "game" inside the wallet. To keep the network secure 5% Sha-256 and 5% Scrypt (dual merge mining.)
mircea_popescu: why would you suspect humans are playing the game inside the wallet ?
BayAreaCoins: I would suspect humans and bots.
BayAreaCoins: I'm more interested in the mining power behind it and the networks on going security. Total supply : * 2734040 HUC Hashrate : * sha256 : 2 818.74TH/s * scrypt : 13.30GH/s
BayAreaCoins: It has a long way to go though and some problems to be address
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1020 @ 0.00245009 = 2.4991 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how dual sha-scrypt improves security.
mircea_popescu: in pricniple it should lower it to the security of the lowest of the two
BayAreaCoins: I'm not 100% sure, but I'm going to go a head and pass that question along as well because I'd be interest in the response. Shits n giggles ya know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.181 = 1.991 BTC [-]
BayAreaCoins: I've seen their web base browser play that will allow people to instantly start "mining" though game play. Right now to sync the wallet is... well.. fucking huge to say it nicely. Probably has the largest bloat of any coin their is.
BayAreaCoins: there is* ffs
BayAreaCoins: NMC is a bitch to sync too though
mircea_popescu: !s reddit
assbot: 838 results for 'reddit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu you a big reddit fan? :P
mircea_popescu: mnop
BayAreaCoins: mnop?
mircea_popescu: sort of like a mumbled no.
BayAreaCoins: Kinda figured that hahaha :D
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu so still not big on the Off Shore Paper Wallet idea either eh?!
mircea_popescu: what idea whas that again ?
BayAreaCoins: Basically exactly what it sounds like. Off shore paper wallets with a network of trusted hedge fund attorneys around the world that are willing to hold paper wallets for clients within countries that have good privacy laws. Therefore giving the world the ability to chose which country they store their coins in safely.
BayAreaCoins: Jumping jurisdictions with coins pretty much
BayAreaCoins: Maybe there is something already like that that I am unaware of as well though
mircea_popescu: why would anyone bother with this ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/depreshibe
assbot: A place for Depressed shibes to chat about things and vent
mircea_popescu: this still exists!
mircea_popescu: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: LOL ooo dogecoin bahaha Thank good ole Klye and dooglus for that one :D I gave away so many millions of DOGE in JD chat.
mircea_popescu: for a total of < 1 btc ?
BayAreaCoins: haha probably ish ;)
BayAreaCoins: Got 140BTC out of 100 million of them though about
BayAreaCoins: Not to shaby for a months work
mircea_popescu: "I am a 23 yr M, diagnosed Bi-Polar:NoS with a history of Mixed States. Or, in other words, I faily to cope with my body's confusion on being manic and depressed at the same time, causing an abundance of frustration that turns to almost uncontrollable anger. I currently live with my fiancee, we are to be married this year, at the end of September, I'm on permanent disability for a variety of mental incapacitates."
mircea_popescu: why would a woman fiancee some 23 yo guy like that ?
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the bottom of the bottomless pit of gold digging
BayAreaCoins: Bitches love problems of course
mircea_popescu: like a lead digger
BayAreaCoins: But let me jump back to that off shore paper wallet thing really quick if you don't mind.
BayAreaCoins: I think a number of people in my country (America) are very very interested about how to bank "off shore", but they don't have the proper contacts. I believe if this was set up it would give people the ability to go off shore within a hour of deciding they wanted to (by using btc, also the extra $ flowing in isn't going to kill any of us either)
BayAreaCoins: Do you not see that in Europe as much?
BayAreaCoins: and Argentina
mircea_popescu: you seem to think "people" is a thing. "people" is not a thing, but at least two : the people who don't matter, and the people who, if they feel like it, fly over here, open a bank box and bang a coupla hotties the same night
mircea_popescu: for any value of *here*
mircea_popescu: now why would a lawyer want to be involved with group A, and why would group B want to share with a lawyer ?
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu I've already contacted a few firms and they of course want to be involved for the same reason as any other law firms wants to be involved with anything.. Money. I think that group B would want to privately be involved with group A because it is better than having some FEDs come grab your lap top while you are reading in the Sci-Fi section
mircea_popescu: methinks mebbe re-read what i said ?
BayAreaCoins: ah ok 1 sec
BayAreaCoins: I totally agree about the two people thing. Group a = Myself and group B = potential customers?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: a = poor people ; b = rich people.
mircea_popescu: you know, dear #bitcoin-assets, my short walk around the other freenode chans has really made me appreciate how much this chan rocks.
mircea_popescu: all.the.tools.omfg.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2ahc1u/i_was_given_my_first_1ð_on_dec7th_my_birthday_now/
mircea_popescu: submitted 23 hours ago by Doge_Pro - investor shibe
BayAreaCoins: I would make the argument that there is a C. This would be middle class people who have a bank balance >250,000 (which is what FDIC insurance here in this country) but less than $1,500,000. I think that it would be more pointed towards them because I think people between those #'s are still a bit timid.
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins people who have 1/4mn can afford to fly wherever the fuck they please.
mircea_popescu: and no, the distinction is lower than that. something like 90% of us people own 1k or less in net assets.
BayAreaCoins: Obviously there is a decent demand for offshore banking, but I don't know a single one that I can set up within 10minutes from the comfort of my house and have it funded as well. Sure you can afford the flight, but you'll get laughed out of the bank.
BayAreaCoins: Wow 90%?
mircea_popescu: yes. americans are really vely poor.
BayAreaCoins: I think a lot of them are happy with being poor... which is disgusting.
BayAreaCoins: However I can assure you there are a number of us who aren't :) Don't get too down on good ole 'Murica ;)
mircea_popescu: https://moolah.io/store/ << look at that, no more store.
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BayAreaCoins: hmmm da fux... they close down shop I guess? I saw their little video leak.. I had a good chuck over that. Jackson is absolutely horrible to work with.... I like Billy a fuck of a lot more.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who billy is
BayAreaCoins: Billy coded DOGE and Jackson was the marketing fuckhead
BayAreaCoins: I did a lot of talking to billy prior to Doge-dice launch
mircea_popescu: anyway, those of you who aren't aren't well advised to share where you hide your remaining wealth with anyone
mircea_popescu: especially not a govt employee
mircea_popescu: (which is what any lawyer is)
BayAreaCoins: Well I suppose that is why I stumbled though here again to pick your head a bit. If you knew someone was coming to get you right now and they were going to tear your house down brick by brick searching it... where would you put your coins? (feel free to tell me to fuck off)
BayAreaCoins: it being your coin wallet
mircea_popescu: i'd just shoot them.
mircea_popescu: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/report-of-c-cex-situation-with-drk-because-of-feb-23-accident.1677/ << here's a little bit of lulzy
assbot: Report of C-CEX situation with DRK because of feb, 23 accident. | DarkcoinTalk
mircea_popescu: "After "darkman" that find my mistake and get used of it made return of some DRK, exchange had about 250K DRK in wallet with discrepancy of about 50K DRK. Then I reversed DRK/BTC transactions made with him. After that I made another big mistake: I did not disabled withdrawals for users with negative balances."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 921 @ 0.00251488 = 2.3162 BTC [-] {6}
BayAreaCoins: Right of course. I sell fire arms for bitcoin too on BTCtalk, but I only ship to America atm which probably isn't much help for you :)
BayAreaCoins: So you would rely 100% on your ability to shoot. I would think if I was put in that situation I would want to have a place to drop them off in case I got hit during the fire fight... that way I could leave the coins to my family or what not (like setting up a Trust)
BayAreaCoins: (? not a . on that first line)
mircea_popescu: why would i shoot them personally ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 224 @ 0.00248999 = 0.5578 BTC [-]
BayAreaCoins: Well unless you are fucking bullet proof you might have to blast their ass if they come in your house! :P Never mind, but good points. Thanks man
mircea_popescu: you're acting as if security is some sort of novel thing. it's not. security is actually older than computers,
mircea_popescu: and than steam engine.
mircea_popescu: "[14-06-23 14:07:53] C-CEX: There is no Your, or my coins. I explained situation. That happens. I did not take any customer's coin."
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: !up BayAreaCoins
mircea_popescu: get in that wot already wouldja.
BayAreaCoins: haha that's the last time you'll have to do that man :) Thanks :P you got a bitcoin address for donations :P
mircea_popescu: o.o
BayAreaCoins: a bitcent per up! ;) haha :D
mircea_popescu: i guess i'll be rich.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.00265863 = 0.7843 BTC [+] {6}
BayAreaCoins: hahaha slowly but surely! :D
BayAreaCoins: I had a venture last year that made like $200,000 a nickle at a time rofl
BayAreaCoins: Metric fuck ton of nickles
mircea_popescu: you don't rly know who i am do you ?
BayAreaCoins: I do
mircea_popescu: speaking of bitcents, kinda amazing no further camwhores came forward.
BayAreaCoins: haha is that a reference to the nickle thing too ;)
BayAreaCoins: Which camwhores do you speak of or all of them in general accepting BTC for donations?
mircea_popescu: !s tits
assbot: 463 results for 'tits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tits
mircea_popescu: click all the img links
BayAreaCoins: Haha nice :D Good ole webcams :)
BayAreaCoins: I was involved with them since 2010... my profile structure is actually one of the most copied there is on MyFreeCams now
BayAreaCoins: Young n dumb.. young n dumb
mircea_popescu: really ?
BayAreaCoins: Yes
mircea_popescu: so then help spread the news ? im giving away .1 per head.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << details.
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BayAreaCoins: haha It would be my pleasure to help :)
BayAreaCoins: I'll tell a few
mircea_popescu: do a girl a favour today! i hear money's tough.
BayAreaCoins: It's hard out there ;) hahaha (song)
BayAreaCoins: http://profiles.myfreecams.com/RavinTavin
assbot: RavinTavin's Homepage on MyFreeCams.com
BayAreaCoins: I believe she takes BTC and there are a few others too
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu what did you do prior to CryptoCurrencies? I assume you were successful prior?
BayAreaCoins: Feel free to tell me to get fucked, I was just wondering
mircea_popescu: prior to that i ran romania's most read blog, a local digg like service (reddit wasn't really all that big yet).
mircea_popescu: before that i was retired.
BayAreaCoins: What was your main bag that got you to that point of first retirement? I'm not trying to Q and A your ass of course
benkay: <BayAreaCoins> I like the mining structure and having potential to "create" jobs // oh god what is going on here
mircea_popescu: benkay don't ask.
BayAreaCoins: lol don't ask
BayAreaCoins: Who wants to make $10 a hour anyways...*rolls eyes ungratefully* :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00240128 = 2.4013 BTC [-]
benkay: <BayAreaCoins> haha that's the last time you'll have to do that man :) Thanks :P you got a bitcoin address for donations :P // 'course, you'll have to get rated, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link to the dead man (if there is a link) ?
asciilifeform: and i leave for a day, and slavecoin (!) walks in ?
mircea_popescu: who, this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2014#753289 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's nick was paraipan. he had cancer. no link afaik.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform instantly assumed nailgun
mircea_popescu: because you're a simpleminded paranoid!
asciilifeform: 'human-minable cryptocurrency'
asciilifeform guilty as charged
asciilifeform saw film, 'snowpiercer' - an otherwise ridiculous cheap sf flick with some good meat re: hierarchy and the nature of 'derp'
mircea_popescu: so, half liter screwdriver, made out of right-now pressed oj and 12 yo cognac ? well, about $4 for the oranges, about $3 for the b randy.
mircea_popescu: that
mircea_popescu: s pesos, of course. 50 cents.
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: Off shore paper wallets with a network of trusted hedge fund attorneys around the world that are willing to hold paper wallets for clients within countries that have good privacy laws << lol, seriously think that law is a thing?
nam-shub_: probably the worst time to ask, but what's a two bedroom apartment cost there mp?
assbot: BayAreaCoins +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Thank you kindly, I'm getting it worked out. Want a bitcent ;) lol
BayAreaCoins: and lol @ slavecoin too, I really hope it doesn't turn into that.
asciilifeform: !s slavecoin
assbot: 18 results for 'slavecoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=slavecoin
BayAreaCoins: I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin :) I'm still waiting for Klu Klux Koin because I know it will get in a lot of peoples feelings :D
benkay: <BayAreaCoins> I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin // how would it not?
BayAreaCoins: Sadly you are going to have child labor in everything... all the way from making shoes to now mining. I don't think it can be avoided, but I think the game is swinging more toward bots... which obviously doesn't matter bot or not if it is a 5 year old running it.
BayAreaCoins: Not that I've seen any confirmed cases of that, but it is a thought.
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: consider answering question from earlier
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: why do you believe that law will protect your customers
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: or that it ever makes logical sense to trust another person with your private key
BayAreaCoins: I believe a lack of laws will protect potential customers.
benkay: 5 yo's running bots?
benkay: i'm just having the tiniest bit of trouble stitching this into something coherent.
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: let's draw a picture. scenario 'a' - current state of the art. u.s. inquisition drags a fellow away, sits him down on a sharp stake and pulls on his legs until he coughs up his private key.
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: scenario 'b' - your service exists. u.s. inquisition drags a fellow away, sits him down on a sharp stake and pulls on his legs until he makes the magic phone call to $country where his coins are 'trustily' stored.
BayAreaCoins: Well first off it will be a bucket of water and a pillow case :)
asciilifeform: in scenario 'b', there is a 'private key' just as in 'a'
asciilifeform: and it goes to the same place.
asciilifeform: except that the fellow in 'b' is poorer even before the inquisitor shows up.
BayAreaCoins: I believe it would need to be set up to were the client can instantly send the coins from anywhere in the world, but actually has to pick them up in person or have someone who is part of the "trust" pick them up. (in case the primary account holder dies ect.)
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: fine. they take his family and sharpen N stakes, one for each hostage. and send him to pick up.
BayAreaCoins: Right
BayAreaCoins: That has to be the clients choice, but either way the coins are safe at the end of the day.
BayAreaCoins: Family or no family
dub: well, no family
dub: or client
BayAreaCoins: Way she goes
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: do you imagine that the greatest threat to an american btc user's stash is burglars, fire, flood?
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: if this were so, he could simply keep his coldwallet in a bank deposit box (or some number of them, via shamir's algorithm)
BayAreaCoins: I have to be frank with you... this is more for people who are looking to get hit by some government entity such as PDR. I do keep my paper wallets in banks between California and Arkansas. However, I'm lucky enough to not have to have that worry/fear of my government because I don't involve myself with a number of business that one can choose to be involved in around BTC
BayAreaCoins: Divorces, blah blah blah you know the shit that happens in life
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: what you don't appear to understand is that this is a 'military' puzzle, not a 'legal' puzzle. ☟︎
asciilifeform: enemy is under no obligation to follow whatever rules of engagement
dub: theres the small issue of there being no market at all for such a service
dub: anyone who is willing to die and sacrifice family to protect coin will be doing so without help
asciilifeform: dub: this is rather like saying there is no market for a perpetuum mobile. of course there is. but, go build it.
asciilifeform: and by pitching a service explicitly to 'appeal to next DPR', you become... DPR. in the sense that once his stake is vacated, you will sit down on it.
dub: if you actually had a use for this level of protection you could trviially roll your own, would not trust anyone else to do so anyway, and be one of 7 people alive
BayAreaCoins: dub That was a extreme event that was brought up by asciilifeform. I would venture to say that there is a market for people who are looking for privacy and the ability to store value where they want in the world.
asciilifeform: privacy and the ability to store value where they want << the existing blockchain provides this.
BayAreaCoins: Correct but the majority of people in the world have 0 fucking clue wtf the blockchain is and if they do they are scared of losing their shit. Look at coinbase building their "safe" wtf is the point of that! ;)
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: describe a scenario where a user of your service will come out unscathed, where a user of plain bitcoin would perish.
BayAreaCoins: asciilifeform lets say you are in SF and you're reading a book in the Sci-Fi section... lol haha :P no but really.
BayAreaCoins: Not just that of course either.
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: see the point about the stake.
mircea_popescu: nam-shub_ to buy you mean ?
nam-shub_: say what?
asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: the only way you could conceivably 'save' a 'DPR' is to put - distance, army, navy, missile battery - between his arse and the nice folks in washington
mircea_popescu: <BayAreaCoins> I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin << srsly, "hopefully" is all you got ?
mircea_popescu: nam-shub_ what an appt costs to buy or to rent
mike_c: speaking of sitting on stakes, how you enjoying your stake BayAreaCoins? :)
nam-shub_: oh yeah, to buy
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu it is decentralized. Dunno what else I could have in regards to combating that.
mircea_popescu: nam-shub_ 50 to 100k usd, in ba. quite overpriced yet, they're sitll hoping.
BayAreaCoins: mike_c Medium rare and yummy as always :P
mircea_popescu: !up GNULinuxGuy
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust GNULinuxGuy
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user GNULinuxGuy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=GNULinuxGuy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=GNULinuxGuy | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate GNULinuxGuy 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BayAreaCoins: mike_c Which stake are you talking about though, I generally have a number of them poking me :P
mike_c: i meant the bitcoin-assets stake currently being applied.
mike_c: it can be helpful, but it is sharp.
mircea_popescu: "However, I'm lucky enough to not have to have that worry/fear of my government because I don't involve myself with a number of business that one can choose to be involved in around BTC"
mircea_popescu: this is the lulziest shit i read all day,.
asciilifeform: reminds of old saying: 'eat right. exercise. die very surprised.'
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu I mean I ship my guns using FFL's and require permits to transfer snails across state lines :)
BayAreaCoins: mike_c I grew up on Battle.net (Blizzard Entertainment games) and I've always hung around successful people... so I don't mind getting my balls busted. It is good for me
dub: lol
BayAreaCoins: is what it is. I know where not to get clients for the offshore idea :P learned something haha
mircea_popescu: i miss herbi
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins let's take this one meta further.
BayAreaCoins: *prepares balls*
mircea_popescu: the process whereby you come up with "ideas" and then look for applications is fundamentally broken
asciilifeform: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> <3
mircea_popescu: not distinguishable from the process where dork figures out how his dream gf should look and then proceeds to try and find her.
mircea_popescu: the world works exactly backwards.
dub: he's invented mybitcoin
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins if you take the time to read this chan, which you should in any case, you'll discover all the respected/successful projects have the same thing in common, as all the mocked/despised "entrepreneurs" in their own characterisation have something else in common.
mircea_popescu: the former all started as in "you guise desperately need and ask for this, here it is"
mircea_popescu: the latter all started as in "here's my bright idea i came up with"
mircea_popescu: the most recent examples of this are of course mthreat's search and ninjashogun's whatever the fuck that was,
mircea_popescu: but plenty more in the same vein.
mircea_popescu: dub: if you actually had a use for this level of protection you could trviially roll your own, would not trust anyone else to do so anyway, and be one of 7 people alive << your summary is approved. when do you quit your dayjob to do ba logs summary full time ?
asciilifeform: 'everyone' has a use for atomic dirigible. except for the folks who can afford it.
dub: i dont have a day job
mircea_popescu: buncha fucking bums in this chan
mircea_popescu: nobody can keep a job.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=421615.msg7809092#msg7809092 << darkcoin dramz
mircea_popescu: !up stormlight
asciilifeform: dead link?
mircea_popescu: apparently they got a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg7809092#msg7809092 < that work ?
assbot: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payments!
asciilifeform: aye
mircea_popescu: "Is there any other coin that has so many talented individual developers backing up the network?
mircea_popescu: Is there any website even remotely close to chaeplin's detailed network analysis, even for Bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: Is there any community out there, that despite the price crashes and road-bumps, stick together in such a strong manner, getting stronger by the day?"
mircea_popescu: in case you didn't know this... apparently darkcoin is a big deal. o.O
mircea_popescu: http://www.cityam.com/1403524841/darkcoin-fails-rise-after-latest-hardfork-failure << this REALLY sounds a lot like solidcoin.
assbot: Darkcoin fails to rise after latest hardfork failure | City A.M.
benkay: hardfork failure?
benkay: a new language for your new coin
benkay: had a great interaction with a human today at a bbq: "what do you think of all of the other coins?" "you mean the forks of the bitcoin reference implementation with various knobs diddled?" "are they--" "yes."
danielpbarron: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Ah damn, thank you sir.
danielpbarron accepts bitcents 151enbTugrchY8YB8adH3rRjAHez9VFAvd
BayAreaCoins: k <3 :D
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3600 * 24 / 512 * 25
gribble: 4218.75
mircea_popescu: so let me get this straight, this coin produces about 3/4 of the bitcoins of a day, and they're supposedly worth 1 bitcent each ?
mircea_popescu: the magix.
BayAreaCoins: danielpbarron 0fc3075cbfb1e8cb9f1f8b114086291a79ca543a8dd2485ca11afc3ad0d395aa
mircea_popescu: ok, x11 is fucking dumb, for the record. jesus it's scary what happens when engineers just start doing shit without any supervision.
mike_c: just for the record, sometimes the supervison sucks.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron is this the first successful charge-for-up case ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c agreed.
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing to excuse the idiocy of the phb.
BayAreaCoins: lol happy to be the first :P... it's what I do ;)
BayAreaCoins: *sarcasm*
mircea_popescu: only took like 3 months or so i reckon
danielpbarron: sweet! thanks, BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Not a problem man! Thank you
BayAreaCoins: What do you guys what to see next for bitcoin that doesn't exist right now or is it perfect because you've made everything you want that you can imagine for it atm?
decimation: Mr. Coins if you are convinced there is a "middle class" of bitcoin users in the us, why not start an exchange for them?
mircea_popescu: decimation he's new, give him a break.
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins you're new, so nobody really knows what you';d be good at.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda why you're stuck reading the logs for a while.
benkay: or is it perfect because you've made everything you want that you can imagine for it atm? // this sounds like the guy who asks "so do all of your friends use linux, then?" when told one occasionally counsels friends on not being retarded with crypto
mircea_popescu: benkay i bet you answers on all teh windows ports.
benkay: webchat forwards user IP?
mircea_popescu: this is the internet. it does whatever you want it to.
benkay: BayAreaCoins: you're going to have a hard time figuring out what'd benefit the ecosystem when you don't even have big boy pants on.
BayAreaCoins: No breaks please. Bust my balls with full force. It is all good. mircea_popescu. Decimation I think there are a number of places that middle class americans already exchange BTC. I'm also not 100% convinced that is why I'm interested in what you guys have to say.
benkay: mircea_popescu: of course it *can*. *does*, though.
BayAreaCoins: benkay excuse me for getting stoned. Gotta give me a min.. I go to bed and wake up everyday with my big boy spider man underware
BayAreaCoins: benkay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDITyYfua8
assbot: Bernie Mac I Ain't Scared of You Mofos - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins start with something easy, like getting in the wot.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu ya I'll get on that this week. I have a Thompson 1927-A1 coming in next week I can probably get listed and sold ASAP.
mircea_popescu: that's not the important part there.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu Ok, I'll read into it and get it taken care of.
decimation: re: net worth of 'merican adult: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/americans-have-relatively-poor-net-wealth-cm257517
assbot: Americans Have Relatively Poor Net Wealth - NASDAQ.com
decimation: only 28% of us adults have over $100k
mircea_popescu: decimation that thing uses bad real estate data.
benkay: underwarez
mircea_popescu: !up Graet
kyuupichan: lol
BayAreaCoins: ;) :D lol
cazalla: :In Australia, over 65% of all adults have a net worth exceeding $100,000"
cazalla: we also have inflated property prices out the ass
mircea_popescu: cazalla exactly.
mircea_popescu: http://econintersect.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/z-temp3.png
decimation: well, in May 2014 the median existing home price was $213,400 in the us http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/HOSMEDUSM052N
assbot: Median Sales Price of Existing Homes - FRED - St. Louis Fed
mircea_popescu: this thing claims aussies are 50% richer than austrians
kyuupichan: Just finished paying for my whole Maldives trip with BTC. Sorry to keep the downward price pressure on.
mircea_popescu: this is ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan enjoy.
decimation: anyone who has ever been near the DACH zone knows that germans are rich as fuck
mircea_popescu: decimation roughly in the sense darkcoin is worth 4 dollars per.
mircea_popescu: "provided noone sells"
decimation: right, so the median adult can barely afford half a median house
decimation: the median us adult is therefore a debt slave
mircea_popescu: if you adjust those numbers for real-real estate prices, you get about 90% ish of us peeps under 1k (which is also your error, or at least mine)
mircea_popescu: also ludicrous : india 4k, china 20k ? heh. the chinese aren't 5x ahead of the indians just because the chinese govt inflated a real estate bubble which delhi doesn't quite match
decimation: so, you are saying that the nasdaq data is inflated because of "paper house value"
mircea_popescu: ok, look at sweeden : by that judgement, 231k mean 40k median, it is the MOST inequal country in all of europe.
mircea_popescu: SWEDEN.
mircea_popescu: thing's fucking borked.
decimation: doesn't sweden have a government minimum income
kyuupichan: Another blockchain spammer: https://blockchain.info/address/1AH3gdneXaV1qEEB1XJQjS7qbzktf1APx7
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1AH3gdneXaV1qEEB1XJQjS7qbzktf1APx7
mircea_popescu: there will be an infinity of these
decimation: http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-card-data/average-credit-card-debt-household/ << apparently nearly 50% of us households carry a credit card balance monthly
assbot: American Household Credit Card Debt Statistics: 2014
decimation: so they cleary have less than $0 net worth
mircea_popescu: How to create a masternode? - Get a machine with a static ip
mircea_popescu: this is the anon coin.
mircea_popescu: it relies on... machines with static ips.
mircea_popescu: decimation right.
decimation: I suspect the "wealthy" half has most of their assets locked away in retirement plans, and most of those plans don't allow you to "invest" as you choose
benkay: decimation: truth.
mircea_popescu: decimation 50% are in cc hell. of the remainder, 30% are in middle class hell (they have some money, locked away in iras, college funds, ss payments etc - all of which is as good as gone but nobody's telling them).
decimation: lol https://blog.personalcapital.com/financial-planning-2/average-401k-balance-age/ "Supposedly two-thirds of working households age 55-64 with at least one earner have retirement savings less than one times their annual income. Given the median household income is roughly $52,000, that?s not a good sign."
assbot: The Average 401k Balance By Age
mircea_popescu: of the remainder 20%, about 10% are homeless, in prison or in mental institutions
mircea_popescu: that leaves 10%, of which about half are expats.
decimation: or easily could be ex-pats, if the mood struck
mircea_popescu: the mood strikes.
benkay: <- pending exile
mircea_popescu: jesus this darkcoin thing is more stupid than i had originally thought.
benkay: !s from: benkay darkcoin
assbot: 0 results for 'from: benkay darkcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3A+benkay+darkcoin
mircea_popescu: ha.
benkay: yeah i now recall thinking to myself "myup. stop wasting time, kid."
decimation: when you boil that down, the american "middle class" is really at most maybe 10% of the population, so maybe ~20 million adults
mircea_popescu: i was like "why do i never receive altcoin summaries&updates ???" "because they are all exceedingly stupid" "no wai." "eta 2 hours"
mircea_popescu: 2 hours later i am... where's that cat gif
mircea_popescu: http://www.artic.edu/~lfreit/catsoftheinternet/images/scared%20kitten.jpg
decimation: re: german spies << either the germans are really good or the CIA sucks at spying, apparently
mircea_popescu: the russians halped.
mircea_popescu: germany is maybe in the top 10. russia is of course in the top 5, way up there with romania and israel.
mircea_popescu: the us is not in any top.
mircea_popescu: !up basquiat_
basquiat_: anyone use havelock?
decimation: what does the fact that the US auctioned off the DPR horde of btc rather than put it in the fed reveal about usg?
benkay: https://unsee.cc/napube/
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
mircea_popescu: decimation how do you know it didn't ?
mircea_popescu: !s havelock
assbot: 65766 results for 'havelock' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=havelock
mircea_popescu: basquiat_ ^
mircea_popescu: aw shit bad link. one sec
decimation: are you saying the auction never took place?
mircea_popescu: !s havelock -from:assbot
assbot: 916 results for 'havelock -from:assbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=havelock+-from%3Aassbot
mircea_popescu: decimation nah.
decimation: I guess they have only claimed to have sold 30k of the 144k
benkay: well i've worked through these provisioners from top to bottom, and now it's time to test them all against some freshness
benkay: vagrant destroy && vagrant up
benkay: ./provision 2222
benkay: "okay girls, let's go!"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#717140 you know ? ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: eh, that supposes that the usg is secretly competent, which you just implied was not the case above
mircea_popescu: i really don't see a conflict.
mircea_popescu: how's it work ?
decimation: some part of the usg has to be able to operate in secrecy effectively to perform this laudering plan right?
mircea_popescu: you mean the plan i just discussed in a public chan ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, i see that.
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19971884 = 1.1983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999326 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.2 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 225 @ 0.002615 = 0.5884 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00268999 = 0.538 BTC [-]
punkman: !up BayAreaCoins
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey, https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/ << after 1 year, everyone's on -
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5000 Life 5000 Year 2 - War of Life
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.00911084 = 0.574 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/990/ Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.24105324 BTC. Current weight: 93,892.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 500 @ 0.03079906 = 15.3995 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 500 @ 0.012 = 6 BTC [-] {3}
dub: who won game 16?
mircea_popescu: well there's no "win" per se.
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/16/activity/
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mircea_popescu: some people made a profit, some made a loss
mircea_popescu: death mostly made a loss.
dub: fwiw having a link ot the previous game might be nice
dub: death beat life though right?
mircea_popescu: the link is there
dub: i cant see it
mircea_popescu: Death 5094 Life 4906
mircea_popescu: so yeah, by like 2%
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/ << see where it says "game 16 - finished" ?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
dub: try putting it on the gow page where one would go looking for it
mircea_popescu: on the where ?
mircea_popescu: it's like a large centrral panel with the current game and two smaller to the left, prev and next game
dub: yeah I see it on the front page but nobody would land there surely?
dub: anyway, to sound like a sore loser, its a stupid game
mircea_popescu: lol you lost ?!
dub: yes
mircea_popescu: how the hell can you lose
dub: by backing the winning team. clearly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.03079906 = 0.8932 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: this sounds just like a buttcoin game.
mircea_popescu: now i know it's gonna be successful.
mircea_popescu: it all hinged on having something like bitbet's "omgwtfbbq i bet on winning side and lost!"
mircea_popescu: lol so i peeled .33 off this satoshi dice clone thing
punkman: dub, it's not about backing the winning team, you just have to buy cheaper than all the other mooks
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: this is the ultimate "bitcoin investor" cocaine tbh
mircea_popescu: mike is wise.
dub: i realise that
punkman: ;;later tell mike_c would be nice if WoL could track bets on GoWs, since I already have an account for the minigame
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dub: more like ketamine, chances are it will put you to sleep and only people with personality issues go back for more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 562 @ 0.0026855 = 1.5093 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01832875 = 1.4663 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01879254 = 1.0148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.01264998 = 0.6072 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.03079906 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.013 = 0.65 BTC [+]
punkman: %mined
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 20193280 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 7.52
punkman: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 547975.01 in 879 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -30.21
cazalla: crying baby, fuck kill me now
kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310551 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1928 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 19843861618.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.46411
kyuupichan: Gribble very bullish difficulty
kyuupichan: 3 wks ago in Seattle talking to a dude doing mining there; was downvolting all his machines because of summer heat generation
kyuupichan: Had ~ 50TH
kyuupichan: He'd budgeted +10% difficulty each period for rest of 2014; seems about right to me
kyuupichan: Sell my BTC for holiday; BTC jumps 1.5%
kyuupichan: Small fraction of BTC, that is
kyuupichan: I sense increasing govt apprehension abt BTC
cazalla: holiday to where?
kyuupichan: cazalla: Maldives; mentioned it a while ago. Not exactly cheap, as I discovered.
kyuupichan: Well, it's my 14-years late honeymoon.
cazalla: i wanna piss off to angeles
cazalla: not sure wife would be here when i get back though :P
kyuupichan: I reckon I must be high on the Expedia list of bitcoin dudes using their service more than expected
kyuupichan: :)
kyuupichan: Though initial booking + cancellation was quite a nightmare
cazalla: meh i'd still use credit card if i was doing that
kyuupichan: cazalla: Sure. Preference depends on circumstances. I'm overweight BTC; happy to drop a few now and then.
cazalla: just seems a hassle, as you described
cazalla: so what made cancellation a nightmare? they take btc but don't want to pay it back? fiat only refund?
kyuupichan: Well they'd only just started taking BTC. Most of their sales reps had (still have) no clue. When asking about the refund, they said it'll be on credit card despite my having said half a dozen times I'd not used CC and paid with bitcoin. Clearly clueless.
cazalla: predictable though
kyuupichan: Coordinating them and their payment processor (coinbase) was a PITA, particularly as I don't live in US so it was international phone calls. I'm not a fan of coinbase but to be honest they seemed to fix it, and they were the most helpful.
kyuupichan: All I wanted to do was change a date. booking.com is far superior to expedia.com for that; you, uh, just change the date.
kyuupichan: Expedia insist on cancel + rebook.
cazalla: going through all the permutations though, sounds like this was obvious and prob better to use cc
kyuupichan: Sure, but I'm underweight fiat; would rather not spend it as not much left :)
BigBitz: tried Destinia.com kyuupichan?
kyuupichan: BigBitz: No never heard of it. I used btctrip.com for flights for 2nd time without issue (bad experience with cheapair, though that seems unusual) and expedia for hotels.
kyuupichan: Seems they don't have my hotel :(
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5502 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.06307729 BTC. Current weight: 97,814.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1500 @ 0.0046455 = 6.9683 BTC [+] {18}
jurov: http://www.mcst.ru/novyj-8yadernyj-mikroprocessor-elbrus-8c
artifexd: "ability to perform on each core to 25 operations in a single clock cycle, which provides high performance at moderate clock frequency" <- wow
jurov: dunno if this isn't itanium-like pipe dream
jurov: will be interesting to see if they can pull both this *and* decent x86 emulation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.00266355 = 0.5593 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 390 @ 0.00265205 = 1.0343 BTC [-] {4}
artifexd: !up hanbot
artifexd: !up hanbot
hanbot: a ty
hanbot: that was strange
artifexd: gribble lost me so I had to reauth
hanbot: ah
artifexd: What are you up to now days?
hanbot: ;;later tell mike_c hey "There is an infinitesimal chance none of the numbers will be < 1,000,000. In this case the last group (bits 12 - 31) are used to find the location as follows:" would it not be better to just re-hash the hash and try again? and if it fails again, hash it again. infinitesimal is infinitesimal, but why even bother. ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: artifexd, actually, i've been trying to write.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.59579552 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1704 satoshi per share
hanbot: how about yourself?
artifexd: Makin' stuff. Then makin' it faster.
artifexd: World Cup has us pretty busy.
hanbot: bikes? cars?
artifexd: software
hanbot: oh yeah.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69116640 BTC to 11`660 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
hanbot: so what do you do with the wc?
artifexd: If you listen to the world cup on the internet, odds are that it is flowing through my software.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 51 @ 0.02987824 = 1.5238 BTC [-]
artifexd: One of my projects is a custom streaming audio server. High performance, customized streams for each client, transcodes one input to multiple output formats, blah, blah, blah.
asciilifeform: artifexd: perform on each core to 25 operations in a single clock cycle << you can make a 'pipeline' as long as you like. it ends up mostly full of NOPs.
artifexd: It isn't interesting to talk about, but advertisers love it and it is a lot of fun (and frustration) to work on.
asciilifeform: if they can pull both this *and* decent x86 emulation << russian, chinese, martian CPUs will be interesting when - and not before - they swear off x86 emulation.
artifexd: If that is a pipeline, wouldn't that be too long to be performant? I mean, one missed branch prediction and you have to flush the whole thing.
asciilifeform: artifexd: exactly.
artifexd: Are you speculating that it is a pipeline measurement or are you certain?
asciilifeform: artifexd: well, the classic 'elbrus' was pipelined.
asciilifeform: so it's a reasonable presumption. no, i don't have the manual for the new one.
artifexd: Aren't all processors pipelined now?
artifexd: To some degree, at least.
asciilifeform: all but the cheapest embedded cpu
mircea_popescu: goood mornin' boys an' gals.
artifexd: !up hanbot
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot hanbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013
thestringpuller: lol
artifexd: she asked
mircea_popescu: ahh look at the short logs.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell punkman: mike_c would be nice if WoL could track bets on GoWs, since I already have an account for the minigame << actually, it'd be prolly good to have a YOU: summary on either side of GoW as long as the person is actually logged in. in case they bought multiple bids etc.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: dub hm, what do you hate about it ? that there's not really any "you lose 100%" ?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: 3 wks ago in Seattle talking to a dude doing mining there; was downvolting all his machines because of summer heat generation << but you know seattle/the us is not really the center of mining.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: not sure wife would be here when i get back though :P << lol what, she got a nice big black fellow all lined up ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02987824 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "The Itanium approach...was supposed to be so terrific—until it turned out that the wished-for compilers were basically impossible to write."
mircea_popescu: ah, if only they had heard of urbit.
mircea_popescu: they could have just made jets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the famous 'itanic' used an approach called 'vliw' - 'very long instruction word' - where the compiler was expected to fill up the pipeline manually, avoiding 'hazards' (instructions fighting over a resource, e.g. register or memory)
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: logically, the compiler is in the best position to do this, because it can directly poll the bus.
mircea_popescu: (how do you like my new 64 Gb Snark ?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can - and was - be made to work, just that it was never clear to anyone wtf the point is.
asciilifeform: sorta like howard hughes and his 'spruce goose'
mircea_popescu: well, it was different... not to mention "new and exciting"
mircea_popescu: the 90s way to say "revolutionary and innovative"
asciilifeform failed to get excited
mircea_popescu: well honestly, the wood airplane may well ahve becvome a big deal.
asciilifeform suspects that itanic was a 'lock-in play' - intel hoped that no one else could write a decent compiler for the chip. but what ended up happening was - for ages, gcc was the only working itanic toolchain...
mircea_popescu: i think you're right
mircea_popescu: they woefully misjudged their market position, too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0121 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02987824 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what intel overestimated was the ability of microshit to shoehorn their turd into exotic cpu. turned out to be nil. (nt on alpha - never entirely worked. etc)
mircea_popescu: that too. but even should ms have had it ready on t+1minute, and if it worked splendidly (lolk, but bear with me)
mircea_popescu: the net result would have been foss+amd buldgeoning them into a fine paste.
mircea_popescu: so it's one of those things old geezers tell you about, as their life turning point, over a game of checkers in central park. no, it wasn't : even if the thing they woe about would have worked their way
mircea_popescu: there were upstream considerations preventing it from working anyway
mircea_popescu: classical example, "if only the nightcop hadn't turned around just then".
mircea_popescu: ya, right.
mircea_popescu: !up basquiat_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 74 @ 0.0116404 = 0.8614 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: nam-shub +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up nam-shub
mircea_popescu: trust vectored fighters are fucking cool.
benkay: does anyone have a copy of john brooks Business Adventures?
benkay: someone's digitized it and trying to make a dime off the old man's corpse: www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2014/07/bill-gates-favorite-business-book.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the real marvel is that itanics are still being produced.
asciilifeform: (or at least they were, last year...)
mircea_popescu: didn't they name one after a senator or something ?
asciilifeform: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/itanium/itanium-kittson-update.html
assbot: Intel Itanium Processors Update
asciilifeform: afaik, a city
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: what am i confusing it with
asciilifeform: every single building at u.s. national institute of health?
asciilifeform: (named after senator who disbursed some payola)
mircea_popescu: no dude
mircea_popescu: ;;google poulson itanium
gribble: Itanium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium>; Intel finally releases 9500-series Itanium, announces plans to merge ...: <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140082-intel-finally-releases-9500-series-itanium-announces-plans-to-merge-itanium-and-xeon>; Intel's Eight-Core, Heavily-Updated Poulson Itanium Breaks Cover ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310581 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18900118669.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.02038
punkman: was just looking at this, f.mpif pc4 stands to make almost 10% (if favored side wins on pending bets): http://i.imgur.com/g5MPhbF.png
mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?
punkman: !up hanbot
mircea_popescu: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
mircea_popescu: so far it's red all around tho
hanbot: punkman looks pretty good imo, but yep, ruddy atm.
hanbot: i'm rooting for a red card tonight
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a red card
mircea_popescu: if not they're not even trying.
thestringpuller: i need to stop binge watching netflix
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the most idiotic publisher strat i ever encountered. so about a month ago, i shot an email to a medium sized network, for an ad spot. i got a reply from an acct manager, which was a little late and very half assed. i just dropped the thing. he sent me a couple "follow-up" emails later that week, which resulted in them being blacklisted.
mircea_popescu: during the intervening month, they sent no less than 15 emails to my spam filter.
mircea_popescu: holy shit man, why not just be on the ball and cut the deal when you have the chance ? why half ass that and then spend a month trying ? what sort of idiot came up with this strat i wish to know.
hanbot: mircea_popescu sounds like a shrimp farmer
mircea_popescu: lol wut?
hanbot: the publisher. casts a wide net, no anticipation of catching actual fish, just interested in a big mass of little bits.
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: jesus that must suck.
mircea_popescu: "why find a few good friends in this world, just pretend everything in it is an earthworm
hanbot: i'm sure it stinks, anyway.
hanbot: yeah. in the name of clutching at what they think they want, most people will put on some pretty ridiculous costumes.
mircea_popescu: BRINGERS OF DARKNESS are revitalizing audiences with their raw energy live show and undeniable chemistry of brotherhood. They transcend a world that is locked in genre and commercialism; though they know they can't do it alone, they are the seeds of a revolution. The band has pitched their newest CD to Sony executives[, played in front of the likes of Henry Rallins, and the lead singer has sang onstage with Freddie Mir
mircea_popescu: cury - we have the goods and we WILL deliver.
mircea_popescu: Members: Tim "Kinnie" kingsworth - guitarist born to rock, tim has written many of bringers of darkness's best songs including "my love for you is swimming through the rapids like a broken arow" (Tim only plays Bingleworth guitars. Onstage, he plays a Bingleworth J-9000 7-string with a neo-chromium humbuckers. For recording, he uses a K-9001 with two single-coli pickups. He exclusively uses Krankle amplifiers and Czech
mircea_popescu: -Tec guitar tubes)
mircea_popescu: this should be an ipo.
punkman: mircea_popescu: turns out I fucked up some math there, expected gain on pending bets is around 40%
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
punkman: yep, http://i.imgur.com/B4bugC5.png
mircea_popescu: can you do some more math erroring, get it to 160% ?
mircea_popescu: that "pending gain" is a best case sort of number no ?
punkman: if favored side wins, yeah
punkman: if I pick the favored side by total btc in the pot, then pending gain goes to -1.43 BTC
punkman: (todo: make stats exportable)
mircea_popescu: so basically it could either lose or win, maybe a lot, probably a little.
mircea_popescu: hanbot good point re the bombs yeah
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: o hey the crowds are getting rowdy
mircea_popescu: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/07/11/drought-shaming-pitting-neighbors-against-neighbors-on-social-media/
assbot: Drought Shaming Pitting Neighbors Against Neighbors On Social Media « CBS Sacramento
punkman: mircea_popescu: yea we'll see how that goes, though hanbot's allocation of BTC is slightly better than global bitbet allocation so far.
mircea_popescu: drought shaming lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: a slighly scarce resource, and there are the informants,
mircea_popescu: there are the brown brigades,
asciilifeform: more interesting (linked from above) - http://now100fm.cbslocal.com/2014/07/09/weird-news-wednesday-waitresses-wear-guns-in-restaurant << notice the stock pic - who the hell has a soviet 'TT' ?!
assbot: Weird News Wednesday: Waitresses Wear Guns In Restaurant « NOW 100.5 FM
mircea_popescu: there's the whole story. "could not happen here"
asciilifeform: (bottom right hand corner of pic)
mircea_popescu: no, that's a cult gun
indiancandy1: i wonder what assange thinks of btc
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 he loves it.
asciilifeform: http://demotivators.to/media/posters/1990/622228_luchshe-starenkij-tt-chem-dzyudo-i-karate.jpg << 'Лучше старенький ТТ чем дзюдо и карате' ~= 'better have an old TT, than judo and karate'
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they're god-awful
asciilifeform: better than the 1890s seven-shooter that preceded it, by most accounts
indiancandy1: some seriose protests going on in london
indiancandy1: really bizzar
indiancandy1: free palestine mallarky
mircea_popescu: !up stormlight
indiancandy1: go argentina
indiancandy1: mircea u having a wc party round urs
punkman: wonder if this is all the BTC wikileaks has now: https://blockchain.info/address/1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v
asciilifeform: punkman: just one mystery remains - why do they need coin.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 the whole street's a party
punkman: asciilifeform: seems like most of that was spent in December 2013
asciilifeform: punkman: but on what
mircea_popescu: new year's party ?
indiancandy1: im so jelous
indiancandy1: why didnt u buy me a ticket
indiancandy1: to come over
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: afaik mircea_popescu expects guests to buy own ticket
indiancandy1: his the billionair
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 because you didn't do whatever video.
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: (when friends visit you, do you pay their fare?)
indiancandy1: what is 700 usd to him
indiancandy1: im poor
indiancandy1: i have 2 flash my gash 4 cash
mircea_popescu: o.o
mircea_popescu: camho rap, who knew this was a thing
indiancandy1: 0.0
indiancandy1: o.0
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 wait, are you a poor indian ?!
mthreat: define poor
mircea_popescu: mthreat "i have 2 flash my gash 4 cash" ?
indiancandy1: yap
indiancandy1: great definition
indiancandy1: im a poor half indian/greek
mircea_popescu: now b-a really has everything.
indiancandy1: b a british airways?
indiancandy1: LOL
mircea_popescu: nah this chan. bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, buenos aires. which is why i moved here, to troll b-a
mircea_popescu: ambiguitytroling
indiancandy1: maybe coz the electricy is cheap there
indiancandy1: and the chicks got fat ass
mircea_popescu: the ass is nice, that's true.
indiancandy1: ya
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: In east Washington state they have insanely cheap electricity; there is a lot of mining going on there
indiancandy1: it is
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan no argument. but still.
indiancandy1: ass ass ass ass
indiancandy1: boobs?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/ <<< wtf happened here ?
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5082 Life 4918 Year 68 - War of Life
mircea_popescu: did i just win like .87 btc ?
indiancandy1: omg
indiancandy1: its my birthday
indiancandy1: :P
indiancandy1: gift me
indiancandy1: some
indiancandy1: has anyone got
indiancandy1: snapchat
mircea_popescu: mnop
indiancandy1: have you got a smart phone mircea
indiancandy1: or you got a stone age
indiancandy1: 1
mircea_popescu: nope
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: why not
mircea_popescu: i don't like them
indiancandy1: so how do u call ur mom
indiancandy1: n family back home
mircea_popescu: people use them to what, pretend like they're outside while pretending like they're on the computer ?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather do both of these well than mix them together into an unworkable porridge of shit.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i have a normal phone
mircea_popescu: AND a secretary.
mircea_popescu: well, more than one actually as it turns out
indiancandy1: does she give you bjs under the table
indiancandy1: or he*
mircea_popescu: notrly
mircea_popescu: that's a different skillset.
indiancandy1: i just thought u know bill clinton did it so
mircea_popescu: that was an aide.
mircea_popescu: no skillset.
asciilifeform: aide << 'secretute'
indiancandy1: secretute lmao
asciilifeform: секретутка.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, tuta pl tute is how you say stupid woman in romanian
indiancandy1: ascii are you romani aswell
mircea_popescu: well... one of the many ways
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: nope
mircea_popescu: yes he is, he just doesn't want to admit to the romanian yoke :D
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: you ought to know they ditched cyrillic there in... 1870s?
indiancandy1: can i ask something does the crystall ball thing actually work
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball
gribble: No.
indiancandy1: atleast the goverment gave the gypsies all there gold back aye
asciilifeform saw the world's officially largest crystal ball a few days ago ☟︎
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_ball#mediaviewer/File:Quartz_crystal.jpg
assbot: Crystal ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
indiancandy1: os your in dc
indiancandy1: so*
indiancandy1: i kind of look like a romani gypsy
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: 10km or so
indiancandy1: mp do u think i do
mircea_popescu: kinda
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2aklhk/i_just_found_this_crazy_game_of_life_battle_with/ o look, making friends
assbot: I just found this crazy game of life battle with Bitcoin : Bitcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
indiancandy1: people sometimes think i am
indiancandy1: is romania in the mediternian sorry my geography is terible
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: maps.google.com
indiancandy1: or macedonia
indiancandy1: help !! my webcam is pixelated
indiancandy1: on mfc do i fix this
punkman: you need to get a flux capacitor
indiancandy1: any idea where i get this
indiancandy1: ;;flux capacitor
gribble: Error: "flux" is not a valid command.
indiancandy1: ;/
indiancandy1: ;;fluxcapacitor
gribble: Error: "fluxcapacitor" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: unrelated: anybody here own a 'Yeeloong' ?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 black sea ctually, but quite close anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that the all-free-except-bios thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it's the all-free-everything one
mircea_popescu: i thought the bios was still proprietary, lulziuly undermining the whole thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/PMON_2000
assbot: PMON 2000 - LinuxMIPS
asciilifeform: that box doesn't even need much in the way of a bios. just a little bootloader stub.
mircea_popescu: wow score ?
indiancandy1: mircea when u goin home
indiancandy1: il meet u
indiancandy1: cheap flights i can afford romai
asciilifeform: the 'loongson' machine are virtually unobtainable in usa.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 might be a decade.
indiancandy1: why
indiancandy1: where is ur mom
mircea_popescu: romania
asciilifeform: 'pmon' includes built-in gdb stub, apparently. neato.
indiancandy1: dont you go visit them
indiancandy1: how can you not see your mom for 10years
asciilifeform might have to break down & pay an importer
indiancandy1: btw did argentina win the wc then
mircea_popescu: they're playing it now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting.
asciilifeform wonders where stallman got his
indiancandy1: did you get exhiled from romania
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: i was gone for about a decade before.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform perhaps online loongson
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/"Show%20models%201"
assbot: Show model Lemote Yeeloong 8101B 10" mini-laptop Pure White-- High-end GNU Linux mini laptop - Tekmote Electronics
kakobrekla: 300eur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 175 @ 0.0168 = 2.94 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's the original. there's a nicer one, that has metallic chassis
kakobrekla: should have dropped by NL while in RO
kakobrekla: aha
indiancandy1: did you not see your mom since you was 25 :(
mircea_popescu: i only left romania recently.
kakobrekla: you mean this ascii: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-008
assbot: Loongson 3A Notebook - Tekmote Electronics
asciilifeform: aha there it is.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: have one ?
kakobrekla: nope
kakobrekla: hm, looks like fagbook
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ever see a metallic chassis laptop that didn't ?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: this
kakobrekla: http://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/CF-19_01.jpg
asciilifeform: laptop market, afaik, still reduced to a choice between 'fagbook' and 'turdbook'
kakobrekla: as long as i can hammer nails with it.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's the u.s. mil spec machine. it's mostly plastic.
kakobrekla: really?
asciilifeform: and ludicrously heavy
kakobrekla: lol
asciilifeform: you can get them by the crate, surplus. nobody wants.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'loongson' isn't interesting because of the mechanicals.
kakobrekla: this too? http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dell-e6420-XFR_g2_edited-1.jpg
kakobrekla: i see some bolts
indiancandy1: hmmm
kakobrekla: from the topside
kakobrekla: should be alu no?
asciilifeform: can't say i ever used one of these
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: thanks ascii
kakobrekla: anyway, you CAN indeed make it alu and not look like fagbook
kakobrekla: may look like toaster instead
kakobrekla: but point achieved.
asciilifeform wants a 'sovbook'
mircea_popescu: lol
indiancandy1: so i showed my producer a video of me dancing at work yesterday and she said that there is spirits in the vide
indiancandy1: video
indiancandy1: freaked me right out
fluffypony: come on, Germany!
mircea_popescu: 60% possession.
fluffypony: well there we go
fluffypony: some movement
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you back in Argentina? what's the buzz on the street like?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. pretty loud.
fluffypony: I can imagine
mircea_popescu: you can distinctly hear the game out the window, to the degree of fouls, saves, etc.
mircea_popescu: whole street is packed. (well the fact that i live within a block of the equivalent of say the washington monument doesn't help)
fluffypony: crazy
mircea_popescu: they shot some pretty respectable cherry bombs in the few hours runup
mircea_popescu: (during which the street was packed with people waiting for the game to start)
indiancandy1: sounds wonderful
indiancandy1: u should join the festivities
mircea_popescu: i'd rather listen to blur in concert.
indiancandy1: heroin addicts
indiancandy1: lavely
indiancandy1: but so yea can you see this video
indiancandy1: and watch at 36 seconds a light shoots across the room
indiancandy1: my producer is telling me its a spirit orb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 202 @ 0.0132 = 2.6664 BTC [-] {3}
indiancandy1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8Wm7AOI3U
assbot: YouTube
mircea_popescu: o wow.
mircea_popescu: score eh ?
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: these people blew their fucking top off because a german got a yellow card ?
mircea_popescu: im fucking scared now.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: tense moment
indiancandy1: did u see the orb
fluffypony: indiancandy1: watching the soccer, so no
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so fiverr has this glitch, whereby sometimes it gets paid for an order (via coinbase) but then... just ignores it. you ever had something like that happen ?
mircea_popescu: this is like the 3rd time.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no not yet - I pay it and its reflected immediately every time I use it
fluffypony: same with Bitpay on Namecheap
fluffypony: I wonder if it's not trying to update via some ajax call and you've disabled js so it doesn't update?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.02890175 = 1.2139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: possible i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 67 @ 0.01607462 = 1.077 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02890175 = 0.8671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kinda what i wanted to check, where to start the debug
fluffypony: if you refresh the page does it show up as paid?
mircea_popescu: (actually, more like i won't bother, it's not worth the occasional 5 bux to me.
mircea_popescu: if however it was a systemic problem, then yes)
mircea_popescu: mnop
fluffypony: waq
mircea_popescu: ;;ud waq
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WAQ | acronym for What A Queer. usually used in texts or photo comments. David sure does like to kneel in weird positions... WAQ!!! by squash89 April 25, 2011. 19 6.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: it's the fluffypony method of spelling wack
fluffypony: ;;ud wack
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack | Example 1: Tracy: I'm all that and a bag of chips!..and then some! Rob: Shut yo wack ass up!.. and gets off my Grill. Example 2: Tracy: What did u do last night?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently the problem only appears when using multipayment tx.
mircea_popescu: you ever did that ? owe for say a dozen jobs, pay out in 1 tx ?
fluffypony: no I haven't - only ever done 1 at a time
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: well, if anyone cares, it is the case coinbase may have a hole in how it handles multipayment txn then.
fluffypony: omfg so close
mircea_popescu: specifically, n-1 pages update and ty for the payment. but the nth... nope
fluffypony: the Germans are all over the Argentinian goal
mircea_popescu: yeah doesn't look so good for em
cazalla: mircea_popescu: there's no black people in australia, also little crime
mircea_popescu: "Jeff Garzik @jgarzik · 5h Free business idea: Water heaters that mine #bitcoin. Decentralize mining and usefully shed excess heat, rather than waste it."
mircea_popescu: lol someone's reading b-a logs from last year ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla a ok then :p
kakobrekla: wait until they figure out you can do it on fpga.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony this thing's going to penalty.
kakobrekla: anyway it doesnt work. they dont roi even if you run them 24/7 and heaters you dont.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah I think so too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it'll work when the tech is stable.
kakobrekla: stable over 10 years ?
kakobrekla: right.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: it'll happen, in spite of all the derpage re qc.
kakobrekla: in year 25 000 000
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 54 seconds
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla coupla decades.
fluffypony: wow bets365 add on Sky Sport gives you live betting odds (well 30 seconds old)
fluffypony: *ad
kakobrekla: the biggest problem with that idea is that we prolly wont be computing on silicone then
kakobrekla: you can hardly heat up anything with wetware for example
mircea_popescu: i think we will, yes. silicone will get pushed to the end by say 2040, where you CAN get faster processors but it's not economically worth it.
mircea_popescu: and then, 20-50-100 years spent trying to make wetware work.
mircea_popescu: there won't be any qc computing. ever.
mircea_popescu: and so in 2050ish, it'll make prefect sense to put in a water heater cum btc miner.
mircea_popescu: principaly because that'll be strictly the only type of water heater available
punkman: qc would make for a good longbet
mircea_popescu: punkman my qc longbet is btc itself.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i couldn't think of a witty retort at 6am so the autistic one will have to do :P
kakobrekla: ok so there might be a small window of stability which would allow for that idea to work, i give you that.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: all heating is temporary anyway.
kakobrekla: id still bet this wont happen on a mass scale.
kakobrekla: window too small.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what do you think you'll heat yourself with in 2050 ? dead jews ?
mircea_popescu: very small rocks ?
mircea_popescu: memories of the great patriotic war ?
kakobrekla: prolly depends on the btc price.
mircea_popescu: humanity has no future outside of electricity anyway.
kakobrekla: ideally id have something like personal Toshiba 4S
mircea_popescu: small nuclear reactors aren't really worth it.
mircea_popescu: just build 100ish gw and be done with it
kakobrekla: but then the neighbors notice.
mircea_popescu: what neighbours
kakobrekla: :)
fluffypony: another yellow card, wtf
mircea_popescu: yellow card all the people!
mircea_popescu: did germany score ?
mircea_popescu: hm. no. street ppl just got pissed off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.01385 = 0.554 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/putin-eyes-argentine-energy-third-stop-latam-tour-175220992.html;_ylt=AwrBEiLGTcJTIl8AKwvQtDMD
assbot: Putin, Kirchner seek 'multipolarity' in Argentina visit - Yahoo News
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: FINALLY!
fluffypony: holy fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18529443 = 0.9265 BTC [-]
cazalla: and that's that
mircea_popescu: germans you know ?
mircea_popescu: tired them the fuck out, so they could get that shot at the end
cazalla: riots begun?
mircea_popescu: they actually seem kinda peacible
mircea_popescu: i think they didn't really think they'll make it to the finals anyway
kakobrekla: nazis extradited yet?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up Belsage
punkman: consolation prize: "at least we weren't humiliated like those Brazilians"
mircea_popescu: apparently messi gets golden ball ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <moiety> kk really away for reals this time, i'll check that when im out
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/y202CiZ.jpg
cazalla: what a shitlord
mircea_popescu: odds of it being meta... 9:2 ?
cazalla: 50% of 4chan is JIDF and the other half are people trolling each other
mthreat: the german player's name was götse. i can't beleive we are't seeing goatse memes
mircea_popescu: !up qazwsxedcrfv
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jdif
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JIDF | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal o...
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jidf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JIDF | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal o...
mircea_popescu: o i see, they're oppressing jewish dyslexuals.
mircea_popescu: mthreat http://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/556424659
assbot: /b/ - Random
cazalla: /pol/ > /b/
qazwsxedcrfv: so, where can I short LTC?
cazalla: wow, i thought you were trolling that messi won golden ball
mircea_popescu: cazalla ikr ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust qazwsxedcrfv
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user qazwsxedcrfv: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=qazwsxedcrfv | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=qazwsxedcrfv | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: you don't.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ... they sent no less than 15 emails to my spam filter.<< was it coindesk? they were target of phishing and it looked exactly like this.
artifexd: BIDF!
mircea_popescu: http://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/556417895#q556417895
assbot: /b/ - Random
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02890175 = 0.8671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1405290535657.png ahaha this is too fucking lulzy.
cazalla: pol already attacked tumblr the other week, many were triggered, a few suicides too
mircea_popescu: i can't remember what /pol/ is
cazalla: politics
cazalla: really more trolling white knights and marxists
mircea_popescu: a
cazalla: odd jew as well
cazalla: http://ohpi.org.au/4chans-pol-and-the-trouble-with-dean/ there is an aussie jew who takes the bait
assbot: Online Hate Prevention Institute » 4Chan’s /pol/ and the Trouble with Dean
cazalla: i have trolls remorse for poor ben garrison
mircea_popescu: "Online Hate Prevention Institute " ?!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, this should be on kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: wait, the humourless fuck that made a cartoon in which some guy holding a guy fawkes mask is told by the mask, prophetically!11 "you are not as anon as you tihnk" complains that he doesn't understand why people deface his crap ?!
mircea_popescu: i saw that thing and my first thought was to deface it. because it's so fucking square, that's why.
cazalla: already been done
mircea_popescu: same thing that makes you want to punch a mongoloid kid makes you want to deface this guy's cartoon
mircea_popescu: and for the same fucking reason, i would imagine.
cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1400/82/1400820980987.png
assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive
cazalla: there's a few hilarious versions around, the shit they did to ben garrison is probably the lulziest shit i've ever seen online
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: poor bastard actually has a disclaimer on his website that no, he isn't the author of the anti semetic versions
mircea_popescu: which are actually better than his own work,
mircea_popescu: and made him famous
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02890175 = 2.8902 BTC [-]
cazalla: pretty much
mircea_popescu: ahaha this article...
mircea_popescu: "Those like Dean need to be held accountable and 4chan and /pol/ in particular, need to look after their own shop. An online space with a little more freedom is a good thing, but it’s up to the community itself to warn people like Dean off when they go too far. "
mircea_popescu: epic. "a little freedom" ? "too far" ?
mircea_popescu: lolk.
danielpbarron: just got banned from #bitcoin http://danielpbarron.com/lol.txt
mircea_popescu: nice domain.
mircea_popescu: !up hanbot
hanbot: why ty
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/ojqQQe9.png << someone should ipo the ice sun.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud mfw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mfw | >mfw gerrard scored a goal against the us after 4 minutes. by unowiel June 12, ... MFW utilize reaction images and are almost always green text. ANON: What do ...