Chillum: mircea_popescu: that is an interesting idea. How does bidding work? People just send their bid, then what happens when someone outbids them
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Chillum: it could sell specific time slots and the bidding could happen right up until it is chosen, then the losing bids sent back
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed; that job was a shitshow
mircea_popescu: Chillum specify bitmap and time interval. goes to highest bidder. like adsense
Chillum: but you would need a deposit to make sure bids are real
Chillum: so refund bids to losers may work, or they could apply the credit to another ad
mircea_popescu: the sorts of parents you'd choose are the problem in the firsat place.
mircea_popescu: if you could be trusted to choose parents correctly doom wouldn't be upon us.
mircea_popescu: "if you don't have > 1 btc with me you can't bid at all, fu."
mircea_popescu: you ever see that film, wtf was it called. "GET SOME FUCKING MONEY"
Chillum: one of the great things about bitcoin services is that accounts are not strictly needed. For example you could send a request to a service without any authentication, it could respond with a price and address
Chillum: pay it and get your service
Chillum: I know. You accept bids from everyone at any time. You get the amount of ad-time relative to the size of what you paid to the whole
Chillum: that way no need for accounts or refunds
trinque: and my ad runs for 3 seconds, lol
mircea_popescu: "specify bitmap and time interval. goes to highest bidder."
Chillum: you said people would have an account, goes to the highest bidder
Chillum: I said no account everyone gets some ad time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform methinks you might be seeing too much in there.
Chillum: glad I was able to help you put your ideas into works
mircea_popescu: i am fortunate in that having been here a while, my ideas are already facts, so i can fall back on that lol.
Chillum: too bad advertising is one of the greatest evils going
trinque: my end of that thread was that they're all shit
trinque: and "they're all shit" is seen in many other parts of the US economy
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:19:28; ascii_field: Chillum: not all applications call for security << ?!?!!!!
mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't sign off on him being beaten because tcp/ip sucks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: whaack why would nickserv drop an account ? i never heard of this. << They drop registrations after just a few weeks of disuse, because Freenode
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 03:02:32; mircea_popescu: if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me : clearly the femspeak for male being "sociopath", ie, one who does not care about the consequences (this is the basis of the rape debate - men will fuck women for a cause, women wish to fuck towards a purpose), and the problem with "women in tech" being the aridity of the field to the femstyle,
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 03:00:40; mircea_popescu: this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy!
mircea_popescu: how long before the current processor (that acts from cause) is replaced with a new architecture, more femfriendly ?
mircea_popescu: a processor that looks at what the EFFECTS of a computation would be
mircea_popescu: rather than proceed from an imperative cause towards a computation
mircea_popescu: you know, alligned with the entire irigaray " e = mc^2 is a sexed equation"
mircea_popescu: lacan & co efforts to build an alt-physics didn't manage to do much, but mebbe it works in alt-cs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, all the proper females ARE pets in good homes. the remainder are like unemployed "employees" that are not so much unemployed as wilfully *unemployable*.
Chillum: "all the proper females ARE pets in good homes"... ever had a wife?
Chillum: well I do, and she is proper and not a pet
Chillum: so getting along with someone makes them a pet? I think you skipped some logical steps there
whaack: BingoBoingo: I actually just never got the email that I needed to verify with. Reregistered and I still don't have the email.
mircea_popescu: Chillum likely you just use the term in a particular way i don't.
Chillum: asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not
Chillum: never known a cat to help pay the rent
BingoBoingo: <Chillum> asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not << Do they neglect their anti-vermin duties?
Chillum: barely aware of its own existence
Chillum: sometime on LSD I am acutely aware
Chillum: though it is well established that nobody can prove their own self awareness
mircea_popescu: so if i feed lsd to a cat it's gonna make a good wife ?
Chillum: if you are desperate enough
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Chillum: if she is a pet then so am I
trinque: asciilifeform | perhaps this was done, and i am lsd cat << LOL
Chillum: I suppose your advantage in this debate comes from your failure to define what you think pet means
Chillum: that is a very wide definition
mircea_popescu: it happens to exactly match the earlier female survival discussion.
Chillum: mircea_popescu: she would not get it
Chillum: I am not tame either. I am insidious
Chillum: on the internet, nobody knows you are a dog
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whaack: /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER whaack aiufgzrktdck
whaack: /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER whaack aiufgzrktdck
hanbot: shitty pw. no numbers no nothing.
trinque: hanbot: all I see over here is *******
hanbot: get better passwwords.
Chillum: there are 26 letters and 10 numbers. Number have less entropy
hanbot: letter W has most legs, best password WWWWWWW
trinque: whaack: so I might have a theory on why you can't keep your nicks
Chillum: 10^26 = 1.1447546×10²⁸ enough entropy for a remote service
hanbot: if there's 10^26 bits of entropy in that thing I will eat someone's pet.
Chillum: using numbers only adds entropy when you randomly selecty them from the same set as the letters
whaack: that's the verification code for my email
mats: jesus, reading your text makes my face hurt Chillum
Chillum: been so long since I registered
Chillum: well, you could move your face away from me if that helps
whaack: i use word lists for passwords, i have a decent understanding of information theory
Chillum: given that the code in question was a machine generated e-mail verification code I would say you should start eating someones pet
hanbot: is this entropy-logic?
Chillum: though the vowel consonant grouping is a bit suspicious
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Entropy logic is patent GBBG by Google Images of AusieDude and GrumpySpamLady. License available with Founder shares, pls buy...
Chillum: I saw a nice talk about a password creator that created small sentence fragments from very long lists of words. The user could enter the words in any order and with known mispellings and it would still pass. All while making sure you get the requested entropy
Chillum: the idea is that humans can remember more entropy when it is in a story form
Chillum: we can remember concepts at much higher information levels than random strings
Chillum: correct horse battery staple
Chillum: the bitcoin brain wallet with a lot of deposits and withdrawls
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Probably could be stronger if you take a sentence from Kritik de Rheinen Vernuft and replace 10 of he words in sentence with diceware determined words.
Chillum: it could be stronger if you asked it for more entropy. It creates the password with the entropy you request
BingoBoingo: Sentence from kritik provides structure to remember words with.
Chillum: I suppose "search space" is more accurate than entropy
Chillum: so you could remember more
BingoBoingo: full sentence not typed into box, just the dice words.
BingoBoingo: Sentence can go on for pages i Kritiq so password box would hate you over full sentence.
Chillum: the amount of information someone and relay to a sketch artist about a persons face is in the hundreds of Kb, but our brain has hardware acceleration for faces and we can't normalize the data ourselves
Chillum: any password system with a character limit should die
BingoBoingo: Sure, but do you really want to make poor password checker hash all of that German?
Chillum: It would be neat if we could hack our face detection brain hardware to do something else like we have hacked graphics cards for hashing
BingoBoingo: Graphics cards were never really "hacked for hashing" Bitcoin just came along on the exact time AMD graphics cards came into their own as massively parallel compute devices
Chillum: like a computer shows something similar to a face while monitoring your brainwaves and harvesting your computational data
Chillum: umm long before bitcoin they were hashing passwords with them
Chillum: they had to rewrite the hashing algos to use the available features
BingoBoingo: Hah, a hack is when you use a pck of dragonfly brains in parallel to acelerate the search for good porn.
Chillum: I love how many cheap used GPUs are being sold by miners who got on the bus late
Chillum: makes password hashing cheaper
Chillum: a lot of ebay auctions for top of the line video cards saying "Bought it for bitcoin mining, asics came out"
Chillum: though you roll the dice on used cards
whaack: I'm confused as to why anyone would care about using GPUs to hash passwords
BingoBoingo: whaack: To search for passwords against a lsit of hashes of course
BingoBoingo: whaack: GPUs to password has is the solution when you don't have access to person with password and an anthill
Chillum: but we are married, you do the math
mircea_popescu: i suppose we could put the string through teh entropy tests... but no, doesn't look like it's 8/8.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re narrative pws : that's how wikileaks managed to lose control of a db, innit.
mircea_popescu: humans are great at telling stories and horrible at telling anything but the same ones.
Chillum: "I went out the door and got my mail" <-- terrible... "If I went to the market I would buy bananas and then go south to the dry cleaner" much better
mircea_popescu: Chillum re face etc : pretty sure future is in wetware.
Chillum: wetware is an interesting idea but the further we go in technology the less likely it seems to be
mircea_popescu: something off trilema, somewhat better. otherwise... recall that klingon line pw that got got ?
Chillum: I doubt you could guess it
Chillum: by wetware do you mean human brains assisting computers, or do you mean biological computers?
Chillum: early in computer science it was believed that computers were like brains and that with enough resources they could simulate one. As we progress it becomes more and more clear that brains are nothing like a computer
Chillum: and that the best way to simulate a brain with a computer is to simulate atoms, ie not very efficient
Chillum: oh well that is another story
Chillum: bilogocial computers are on the way
Chillum: Amazon web services just announced cloud machine learning
Chillum: so skynet is basically here
Chillum: it seems skynet is mostly interesting in the status quo
mircea_popescu: "Basement is probably the worst place for a massive battery bank and lithium worst way to do it." << word.
Chillum: I am wracking my brain to think of a good use for machine learning, I like to play with all the new AWS toys
mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY in shitty vinyl siding and "insulation" concotions on "light" (= cheap wood and glue pressboard) frames.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I mean fire's favorite direction is up. That and Lithium batteries have a shit lifetime anyways.
mircea_popescu: yeah you can prolly get some pretty major combustihouse events.
Chillum: lith-ion batteries are electrical, chemical and metal fires
Chillum: you do not want to try to smother them or throw anything on them at all
Chillum: they provide their own oxygen
BingoBoingo imagines NiFe in shitty rusted file cabinets in the shed with the lawnmower is a much better place
mircea_popescu: Chillum im not so sure the aws "machine learning" works much better than sussman's tic tac toe machine
Chillum: it is the same thing they use in house
Chillum: it has its limits but it find patterns in a way not other computer technology can
Chillum: it is really good at recognizing suspicious transactions once it has seen enough good and bad ones
mircea_popescu: Chillum from what i hear it's the same process they use to "detect terrorism" nowadays.
Chillum: the tech has improved only a little(mostly optimizations) since machine learning was invented
☟︎ Chillum: but the resources it has are enormous
Chillum: it gives you a score which you take with a grain of salt. It is designed to be better than random, not perfect
mircea_popescu: "ascii_field: the only thing i can promise for the $trillion is: more material for the next fella to work with" << oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies.
Chillum: say you have sent out 10,000 spams to people and 200 answered. You put all the info about those people into it and who answer and who did not. It can then be given a list of other people with the same kind of information and figure out who is more likely to respond
Chillum: and all with no concept of what the information actually means
Chillum: there are probably less evil applications too
Chillum: that depends on how clear the pattern is
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. but even place with indications of value can hold a lot.
Chillum: when it comes to responding to spam you are probably right
mircea_popescu: besides, 2% response rate ? web advertising does a lot of fraud to come up to 0.1-0.3% CTR.
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:29:20; trinque: chart a course towards the smallest of them, and towards selling it as well
Chillum: the number were chosen for simplicity
Chillum: I thought that was obvious
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Lithium batteries are like forest fires. You can try to contain the damage by keeping them from spreading. Also sand is an extinguishing option.
Chillum: BingoBoingo: the sand is mostly about preventing molten metal from flying out. It does not smother it because it has its own oxygen
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It turns into a crude glass and absorbs heat energy in the course of that. Worthless if on wooden desk, pretty useful if on bare concrete
Chillum: my dad was a fireman so he is always talking about this stuff
Chillum: yes it does absorb heat too
Chillum: which contains but does not extinguish
BingoBoingo wants to acquire firetruck and not sound like an idiot, reads so that when day somes will not seem like complete idiot.
Chillum: you just need a reason for the big tank
Chillum: those things are so massive when full of water
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need to get in far better shape. Volunteers get Illinois "pensions" so very competive.
Chillum: they need to plan their stops
Chillum: some have two steering wheels, on in the front and another in the back for the rear driver
mircea_popescu: actually so dangerous to drive half full they never do
Chillum: I was 12 when my dad invited me to come along to a fire. When we got there he made me get out fo the truck then pushed a car away from a fire hydrant with the truck
Chillum: the parking breaks were on, it moved anyways. lotta smoke
mircea_popescu: srsly, im all for this. no more "park by hydrant" laws, but put those old train pusher things on firetrucks.
BingoBoingo: Both Parents were EMTs at various points in their careers
Chillum: they will either ram your car with their truck, harder than they need to of course
Chillum: or they will break your windows and put the fire hose through your car
Chillum: fire hoses of course pour water out every surface so they don't burn
mircea_popescu: tbh, in many european towns it's unheard of to leave brake on when parked.
Chillum: lol so you get to your parking spot and start search ing the area?
BingoBoingo: In present vehicle's previous life as rental car parking break cable became welded in engaged position. Mechanic corrected situation with bolt cutters.
Chillum: buttslol - creamy01 - a1b2c3d4 - christ people use stupid passwords
Chillum loves nummy low hanging fruit
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:38:00; ascii_field: trinque: who was korolev's capitalist ?
BingoBoingo more attracted to firetruck as giant toolbox than as firefighting implement. Also water cannon
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could just get one of those garden party water cannons
Chillum: lol, the Victoria fire department(different than my dads) got a water canon. First fire they took it out they fired it at a window, missed and knocked down the wall
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, I want serious "get off my lawn" power. Also tilling the garden hydraulicly would be pretty sweet.
Chillum: BingoBoingo: I saw a device that automatically sprayed water at birds and deer. Modify it a bit and it will work against humanbs
Chillum: replace hose with water canon]
Chillum: the "buttslol" password is from a lulu lemon show, they sell the spanks that make girls ass look good when they are not
Chillum: you take them home, get the spanks off and WTF?!
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:08; ascii_field: trinque: the normal paradigm of investment and return fails here
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:33; ascii_field: because the only approach that i believe to be correct, will result in something tangible only long after we are all dead.
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Edging back garden with peppers handles deer/birds usually. As do the coyotes/feral cats. Getting drunk and pissing in yard handles coyotes.
Chillum: I used to do a bit of deep forest gardening. I would use capsicum liquid all over to keep the deer away
BingoBoingo: Chillum: This is a rural/Suburban border town. Deer cull very effective here. Now when I lived in Carbondale... Deer raided the garbage dumpsters more than the raccoons did.
Chillum: city deer are nothing like forest deer
Chillum: cities really fuck animals up
Chillum: ever seen a seagull out in the wild? They are majestic. The city seagulls are vermin
decimation: mircea_popescu: I would note that singapore exhibits all the signs of burning through their 'stored fuel'
Chillum: they behave a lot differently when they become town scavengers
Chillum: the manner in which a city treats you is directly related to how savvy you are
mircea_popescu: which... it does. they tell legends of women that could suck a golf ball through a garden hose, but new york regularly sucked the jew riding a camel through the eye of a needle.
Chillum: the eye of the needle was a crowded market in a narrow alley
Chillum: it is a very idiomatic saying
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Center of the University campus there is a forest. with nothing more than dirt trails and occasional bridge. Fastest way to get from one side to the other is traversing the woods. Because of USian automobile-subdivision town planning outside of downtown most residential areas are separated by virgin-ish woods
Chillum: The island I am on has logging everywhere but with a 30 year recovery period. So there are logging roads everywhere that are abondoned for the last 10-29 years
Chillum: it is all new growth but there are so many ways away from people if you pick one at random you won't see anyone
decimation: the thing that struck me as weird about the eu (comparied to the us) was how compact little towns are, and how rural the countryside is
Chillum: you just have to be okay with driving over 1 inch this trees
decimation: in the us it's quite normal for shit to be spread out across the countryside
Chillum: to forest gardeners love those roads
Chillum: if he broke into the staff office to change the blackboard it would still be breaking and enetering
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the computer still works. the broken lock does not.
Chillum: using an admin password to log in and changing nothing would be just as illegal
Chillum: you don;'t have to break anything for breaking and entering charges
mircea_popescu: not discussing the legality. discussing the nonsensicality.
Chillum: well don't expect sense in law
Chillum: well prepare to be regularly disappointed
decimation: it would be interesting to know exactly what they are charging him with
decimation: being as how the journalist is likely retarded
Chillum: decimation: probably unauthorized access
Chillum: it is from some computer law from the 80s or 90s
Chillum: still used today, meant to be a catch all for something too complex to put any thought into
Chillum: capturing a WPA packet legal, cracking password from that packet legal, logging into the network - criminal unauthorized access
trinque: so how about this is a teenage male pulling a prank
Chillum: I would hope that the sentence reflect the seriousness of the crime... 48 hours probation and a stern "Don't do it again!"
trinque: yeah, or just someone smack him and move on
Chillum: just like if he snuck into the office at night and changed the blackboard, a silly prank, still illegal, light sentence appropriate
mircea_popescu: Chillum when i was about that age kids got all uppity ran lard all over blackboard.
Chillum: I think defendants should be allowed to permit the offended party to smack them in lue of charges
Chillum: that is why my spell checker did not warn me
Chillum: at least I did not say "loo"(british for toilet)
Chillum: I am feeling a little hyper today
trinque: florida's public school system is skewed by the number of criminals in the state generally
decimation: for one thing, I doubt he's being charged for a felony as a juvenile
decimation: Pasco County Clerk Dr. O'Neil holds a Doctorate in Philosophy in Applied Management and Decision Sciences, and is a Certified Public Manager,
trinque: holy shit decision sciences.
decimation: she's a woman, her mug is plastered on the webpage
trinque: man, that's a smile headed for mediocre state bureaucracy someday
mircea_popescu: teaches me to bitch at dwarves for their dubious tech choices.
decimation: asciilifeform: by "nobody solves problems at google" I assume you mean in the "from first principles" sense?
mircea_popescu: on one hand, their patent inability to come up with anything worth the mention since adwords would be concerning. on the other hand, naggum's observation that you wouldn't know smarter than you if it hit you on the head holds a lot of water.
decimation: I suspect what happens at google: many people write and re-write the same bits of software
mircea_popescu: dude... somewhere there must be a lawyer who legally changed his name to
Cummerbund: William Dunne, I embarrassed myself here previously.
Cummerbund: Yes, I typically work Australian hours
Chillum: it is not hard to embarrass yourself here, everyone here is always right
Chillum: it has happened to me several times
Cummerbund: It was more naivety before learning what needs to be learned, so rightly I was embarrassed (As opposed to just wrong)
whaack: I interned at Google in NYC
decimation: asciilifeform: right, meat robot is given perimeter in which to work
whaack: (It's javascript with static type checking)
decimation: asciilifeform: by that definition, nearly everybody working 'in tech' today is a slave
decimation: asciilifeform: what fascinates me is the fact that even the higher management who is nominally 'free' find themselves enslaves to apple's paradigm (for example, making iphone clones)
decimation: well, to be clear, the chump market as represented by wall street fund managers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ehg for all you know working at google is essentially having to report on this private irc server twice a week
decimation: yeah who are the lizards who run google?
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i can't for the life of me imagine a different way to run a tech corp these days.
decimation: funkenstein_: congrats on getting groupies
funkenstein_: since vixra comes up again here's one of the other great things you can find there
Cummerbund: You guys' all remind me how terrible my writing skills are. Nice post funkenstein_
mircea_popescu: bad writing is just the outside manifestation of a dysfunctional mind.
decimation: asciilifeform: but does working as a usg employee at jpl really free him from java hell?
mircea_popescu: someone should write a sf piece about a deranged capitalist who deliberately buys up software outfits to torture the engineers.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, most of the actual slave driving is directly done by.. engineers in management
Cummerbund: mircea_popescu: Do you mean if the subject matter is poor? I'm merely referring to sentence structure. I would at least like to pretend that the subject matter is okay
decimation: asciilifeform: just like 'first-to-market-crapware' is also a short term winning strategy
mircea_popescu: i don;t think "men as parts" is actually all that good.
decimation: I suspect the 'men-as-parts' strategy is primarily implemented by the aforementioned engineer managers with poor social skills
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, in general tech seems to be managed on a 'what have done for me lately' basis
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
decimation: asciilifeform: european welfare statism is fucktarded, but they do have a degree of escape from this treadmill
decimation: they can't be easily fired, generally treated with a degree of 'tenure'
decimation: 'they' being industrial positions in germany, etc
decimation: asciilifeform: they have an 'apprenticeship' system in germany too
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 04:18:04; decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road betwee
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 04:18:05; decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars."
decimation: imagine being one of these young germans at dunkirk, watching the sad sacks from britianna derp around
assbot: Logged on 24-11-2014 23:13:14; asciilifeform: ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked.
decimation: as in 'if the peasants don't want to work in the factory - starve them until they do?'
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:35:08; mircea_popescu: btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's again put it in terms of sex. given the choice does it seem a better strategy to keep long term warm intimate relations with a long list of sluts, or does it seem more workable to just keep the yellow pages close and hope the massage salon person understands what you mean ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i know, i'll be suing a dc, moving the thing etc.
decimation: mircea_popescu: is this related to the dcma thing?
mircea_popescu: the us legal system has managed to put anyone trying to provide services into this position of "fucked either way".
mircea_popescu: not that i care, i'll be making money on this deal, but from a systemic perspective it sucks.
decimation: usg enjoys forcing everyone to be an agent
mircea_popescu: decimation sadly usg is not directly involved. this is more "let's make vague laws to satisfy an abstruse expectation of good". the only result is, whenever contrary interests meet, the provider is caught in the middle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yet women live on average on a dollar a day.
decimation: 'trabant' can transport you 1,000 miles, kind of
mircea_popescu: this isn't strictly chillum's "she helps with the rent". recall convo re 40k ?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: and it's unclear they actually need anything. slim is the controlling example. chick empowered bogart.
Chillum: competent women make money
Chillum: and support you in crazy ideas
mircea_popescu: in strict contrast to the woman he had before, that bogged him down.
Chillum: I admit though, I went through a lot of shit women before I found a good one
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's relevant support. the support of people you're not intimate with is worth about as much as the word of people not in the wot.
Chillum: I did not even consider getting married till I met someone who would not try to control me but rather support my bond villain like ambitions
mircea_popescu: some people have to explain to the wife why they're in jail.
Chillum: I am a wiki dude because I have bond villian like ambitions. One needs to control information, being a wikipedia admin is a good start
mircea_popescu: some other people have to see which common mistress is awake to bail the couple out.
mircea_popescu: Chillum if that thing's information i'm a sort of misunderstood pope.
decimation: Chillum: is there anyone 'working' on wikipedia who doesn't want to 'control information'?
Chillum: Mr. Pope, information is always manipulated
decimation: if the nazis won wwii, one wonders what the 'nazi wikipedia' would look like
Chillum: not everything is crap, about .003% is pretty good
mircea_popescu: Chillum you're gonna control information about jupiter ?
mats: can't sleep, gremlins will eat me
decimation: Chillum: that's because nobody gives a fuck about jupiter
Chillum: and any other planet that gets in the way of my plans!!
mod6: happy birthday s.mpoe
Chillum: decimation: as an astronomy enthusiast I disagree most firmly
mircea_popescu: Chillum i don't think that's the shade of caring he had in mind.
Chillum: We admins have a saying over on the private wikipedia admin channel: Gurer vf ab pnony
mircea_popescu: decimation it would be all straight edges and very fucking stolid.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar you are with 1930s german art - but it's pretty damned bad.
mircea_popescu: actually ... it's pretty much incipient socialism realism. perhaps a little better. not much.
decimation: my most direct expsoure was the 'bauhouse' letters used to teach me reading
mircea_popescu: bauhaus on the cheap = soviet prefab flats. from berlin to pakistan.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. in the sense the russians mounted it all on oxcarts.
decimation: yeah I can see that. purified into 'brutalism' in post war communist europe
mircea_popescu: which i must say for dali, and he'd have said it if he thought of it first : fucking genius.
mircea_popescu: Chillum intel says your 0.003% figure actually very likely accurate.
Chillum: lol I made that number up based on experience
Chillum: we have piles of crap, and then we have stuff we selected as core subjects to get attention
Chillum: the philosophy is get it first, make it good later. Though much never gets attention again
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the female alf. and her shoe collection.
mircea_popescu: Chillum the philosophy is that you can aggregate meaning out of contextless snippets, by using self-propelled monkeys. this is so much nonsense.
Chillum: but we use categories to deliminate the different quality articles. Our "good article" category is significantly larger than any print encyclopedia
Chillum: mircea_popescu: self propelled humans
mircea_popescu: also significantly not either usable or an encyclopedia.
decimation: there's a few ounces of wine in the turd-soup
Chillum: and seriously an article at the final level of completion is pretty damn good by the standards of any encyclopedia
Chillum: articles like Earth and Mass
Chillum: once politics, or people get involved
mircea_popescu: Chillum again, that an elephant which counts to three is pretty great as far as elephants go does not make this a mathematical discussion.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is not "pretty good by the standards of any encyclopedia", it is "pretty good by the standards of any encyclopedia that were not an encyclopedia but a wikipedia instead"
Chillum: again you make a point and I strain to understand what it has to do with the conversation
Chillum: The article "Earth" is better than the same article in any other encyclopedia
Chillum: our finished articles are good
Chillum: our works in progess are shit and we know it
mircea_popescu: an encyclopedia, fundamentally, imposes a political hierarchy upon the world, and that of a known and verifiable pedigree.
Chillum: that is what an encylopedia is
mircea_popescu: this is what an encyclopedia is. not a piling of "information", as the acultural imagine.
mircea_popescu: which is why d'alembert's is d'alembert's, and why it turned europe upside down
Chillum: do you you object to how Wikipedia has made an encyclopedia or the concept of an encyclopedia itself?
mircea_popescu: whereas wikipedia whines about not having 5k to pay for servers, and nurtures inferiority complexes @ google and everyone else.
Chillum: they have plenty of money for servers
mircea_popescu: i object to the spurious pretense that wikipedia is anyuthing but myspace on white
Chillum: well it is a serious acedemic project aimed at making the realm of copyrighted free and available to all
Chillum: it is all about making free content
mircea_popescu: Chillum last i saw the begging campaign, it was a very pointed "sucks we can't afford 1/100000000 of what google can"
Chillum: If the free content isn't good enough, sour lemons for you
Chillum: the begging is super lame, they already have a huge stockpile of donations
mircea_popescu: bitcoin forum is dedicated to making "free bitcoin content" as well.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that... as decimation points out... nobody gives a shit about wikipedia
Chillum: isn't your bitcoin node free content?
Chillum: it is based off of a license that require derivitive works to follow the same license so I think it is\
Chillum: to do otherwise would be foolish
Chillum: well it is on a public website for download and based off code with a free license that carries on to derivitive works, so what should I think?
Chillum: mircea_popescu: my spelling is lacking, but I assume you can make out my meaning
mircea_popescu: amusingly, these ignoramuses have branded the memory hole effect too ?
Chillum: I really cannot be bothered to fix every little red line under what I type
Chillum: not seriously annoyed either
mircea_popescu: we had a guy, long ago, that cared. it is to his memory that i dedicate that line.
Chillum: Did you know that gribble is a real person? Never sleeps, can do bitcoin sigs and PGP in his head.
Chillum: on a wiki I could fix that
Chillum: that reminds me of the intelligent elevators in hitchhikers guide the galaxy, and how smug and annoying they were'
Chillum: I lived in a shitty building for a while called "The Ritz", ironically
Chillum: they had an old elevator with driver
Chillum: last on in Canad they said
Chillum: they eventually sold the elevator car and motor and used the cash to renovate the whole building, and get a modern elevator
Chillum: well this one was not busy work, it needed a driver
Chillum: and you could drive it badly if you happen to get your hand on it
Chillum: on a lever, the more you moved it the faster it went
Chillum: when it got close to the top or bottom and alarm would sound to tell you to stop
Chillum: and you better stop, because it won't for you
Chillum: people are spoiled by elevators that stop at the bottom all by themselves
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 00:04:38; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section.
Chillum: asciilifeform: tcp/ip layer or application layer?
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Chillum: application layer is my favorite
Chillum: different server fail to different things
Chillum: pause for 5 minutes between the header name and header value works for a lot
Chillum: then forget about the connection on your side and open another
Chillum: another trick is to send 1 byte every second to keep the connection open
Chillum: very hard to mitigate short of load balancing
Chillum: what does ddos have to do with spamming? I have not read that
Guest64542: Mr. Popescu: Is your website offline? Or overloaded?
Chillum: there are tools, but the servers are patched for the tools
Chillum: it is about fiddling around with custom scripts
Chillum: there are so many ways to fuck with a web server that they can't get them all
Chillum: you just have to do something original
Chillum: which is hard but not that hard
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 nah, inept dc caved over a fraudulent dmca notice. will be skinning them for it, next week.
Chillum: that is the difference between a script kiddie and someone who is actually doing stuff
Guest64542: do you expect the site to be back up soon?
Chillum: the nice thing about application layer DDOS is that it does not require significant bandwidth and can work with high latency
mircea_popescu: and i guess ima hammer the shit out of fetlife now, anyway.
Chillum: which means you can do it through tor
Chillum: it is the smart subtle ddos that can run from a raspberry pi on a dail-up
decimation: Chillum: but who would give a fuck about your hammering?
Chillum: shut down the website they are advertising
Chillum: half a brain is the key point
decimation: maybe they have an alternative position on jovian science
Chillum: if they do have an alternative position on jovian science they will have to go through me to get it told!
mircea_popescu: "[W]hen a writer’s education on a topic consists in interviewing an expert, he is apt to offer generalizations that are banal, obtuse or flat wrong." << in romanian this is known as "a waiter at one of these places where university professors gather can actually soak up a lot, often enough to pass himself for one"
Chillum: (kidding, I try to be very neutral on wikipedia)
Guest64542: Mr. P: what's that all about with FetLife anyway?
Chillum: when writing a tertiary source like an encyclopedia one must rely on experts only, original research is forbidden. It is meant to document the information that already exists without adding opinion
Chillum: original research is of course great, but out of the scope of an encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 derps ennumerated their db rather than hashing it.
Chillum: we get experts all the time and we have to tell them that they can only use what they know if they have sources
decimation: moldbug would say that pinker would gladly suck the cock of a nyt writer so he can be published in the 'grey lady'
mircea_popescu: presenting rank ignorance as, rather than humiliatory, a sort of "problem". it's no problem.
Guest64542: so you just scraped the data? I don't see what the big deal is
mircea_popescu: Chillum everything even remotely worth reading is out of the scope of a wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: also, every encyclopedia consists of original research of its editors
Chillum: First we stored the password and that was stupid, then we hashed it but people could build rainbow tables so we added salt, then things got faster. Now we harden by hashing many times
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 internet is large, and mostly inhabited by the clueless.
Chillum: mircea_popescu: it is nothing more than a starting point for understanding
mircea_popescu: it's a starting point for misunderstanding, which wouldn't be a big deal
Chillum: any serious academic knows an encyclopedia is not a reliable source and is just a tool for laymen to get a basic understanding of a subject
mircea_popescu: but it packages it with a very dangerous false sense of competence.
Chillum: if you think an encyclopedia is more you are sure to be disapointed
mircea_popescu: no, iut's a tool for laymen to bolt down their ignorance in such a way that they'll never ever become good, at anything.
mircea_popescu: i happen to know what things are, having had the good fortune to exist before wikipedia did.
Chillum: tools are tools, people can use them right or bolt themselves to the floor
Chillum: give a fool a hammer and a nail and they will stick their ear to the floor
mircea_popescu: this is a rube goldberg cube. entertaining, for us. wasteful, for the random derp/.
Chillum: I know a boob using a tool wrong
Chillum: really if you don't know how much confidence to give a given data source then that is a failure to comprehend
Guest64542: Mr P: I don't understand why you are picking a fight with them
mircea_popescu: you seriously believe that if you split up the value wikipedia added to human society over the years, in "making experts laugh" and "everything else", the 2nd bit would be anything even remotely comparable to the 1st ?
Chillum: Wikipedia says clearly it is not a reliable source and it never pretends to be
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 actually, they are picking a fight with me. i generally end fights.
Chillum: it is all we can do to keep the pages from just saying "U R GAY LOLOLOLO)(!"
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe ed is actually a better wiki than wikipedia.
Chillum: from chaos great things emerge
Guest64542: OK. But how did the conflict get started? Why are you interested in their DB?
decimation: Chillum: precisely, so how do 'you' spare the cycles to prevent the more insideous defacement?
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 i ended up making a profile at some point. read some "build from the ground up with security in mind" verbiage from the baku character, sounded exactly like the bitcoin scammer broken record.
Chillum: decimation: I have a javascript snipet that shows me pages in the "attack page" category. Every so often someone makes a page describing what a fag some other person is and an editor markes it as an attack page
Chillum: I delete it and usually block the person who made it
menahem: sorry to interrupt, is trilema down for you ?
Chillum: unless they can provide a reliable source to back it up
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 15:41:18; dignork: mircea_popescu: on a concept level lurkmore is a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but they do much better job imho
Guest64542: so is your objective to point out flaws in the website? or something else? what are you trying to accomplish?
mircea_popescu: im not trying to accomplish anything. hm... what exactly is your interest in this thing ?
Guest64542: I have a profile at FetLife, and I have seen a rather lively debate there about this. But I haven't formed an opinion yet. I thought it would be interesting to talk directly with you about instead of relying on a lot of chatter
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 so you're entirely foreign to the bitcoin space, then ?
Guest64542: I know what bitcoin is. I have not actually used it. Before logging into this IRC, I read a little bit about who you are. So I have some idea
mircea_popescu: aite. so basically, i saw something, said something. fetlife misjudged itself, and sent a spurious "trademark infringement" claim to the dc.
mircea_popescu: i pointed out to the dc that if it abuses dmca notice process in this way it'll end up liable, and linked them to caselaw.
mircea_popescu: some dude claiming to be "from fetlife" made a proper dmca notification, which i counter-notified
mircea_popescu: waited ten days, reinstated the content, forgot all about it.
Guest64542: before your site went offline, I did have a chance to read the DMCA takedown notice and your response
decimation: i can see how the dc is in a tough spot
mircea_popescu: today the dc nulled that ip, which brings them into liability over the matter, as the complaint is clearly spurious,
mircea_popescu: and so ima sue them for all they got and move the blog.
mircea_popescu: as a warning for later muppets on the score of "fuck with people you don't know"
mircea_popescu: internet brigading is a great way to deal with nobodies, but you run the risk of stepping on the tail of someone who is actually powerful, on occasion, at which point the whole thing backfires.
Guest64542: I'm not an expert on DMCA, but I do kind of get the idea that all you did was post links to the profiles, and I don't see how that would be a copyright violation
mircea_popescu: wait until you read into the statutory damages for dmca fraud.
Chillum: The study of security is interesting, but the study of insecurity is fascinating.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm not suing some bankruipt derps in canada, who cares about them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dmca is EXACTLY and specifically drawn so large players can squash annoyances, but also minor players trying to do the same get totally raped.
mircea_popescu: if you have any experience with contemporary us law, this should be a familiar pattern
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a sad state of affairs for actual providers. they're stuck in the middle. can't really pay good lawyers, can't really exactly judge when customer is going to turn around and bitchslap them with a ten ton hammer...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't intend to pursue some dubious "start-up" in canada on the strength of the declarations of some otherwise proven liar / confused internet person.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as joint and several liability. let the dc sue them.
Guest64542: Mr. P: Forgive my ignorace, but who is DC? Are you referring to the provider that hosts your site? Or some sort of third-party abritraitor? And what do you mean by "tendril of USG"?
decimation: yeah asciilifeform, what do you mean "tendril of usg"
Guest64542: ok sorry I wasn't looking at the user ID
Chillum: do irc client reveal what type they are like web browser's user agent?
Chillum should read the IRC protocol RFC
decimation: mircea_popescu: couldn't the dc simply claim that you were violating their tos?
assbot: Using a DMCA takedown notice to assert a trademark claim may lead to section 512(f) liability - Lexology ... (
http://bit.ly/1Duf0ed )
Chillum: huh. One would think it is either part of the protocol or not
Chillum should REALLY read the IRC protocol RFC
Chillum: mircea_popescu: I know I was using it before the web
mircea_popescu: generally these end in settlements, to avoid the ever balooning costs.
Chillum: just never learned the protocol under the client
Chillum: mircea_popescu: "chills" is what they called me in high school
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I suspect that anyone who has standing to assert section 512(f) probably will get a settlement
Chillum is grooving the Thelonious Monk's - Monk's Dream with a puff of smoke
mircea_popescu: decimation the dc could claim absolutely anything they wish. the standard still is preponderence of evidence.
Chillum: the high school nickname is a coincidence
Guest64542: Mr. P: is it possible that scraping data is a violation of FetLife's TOU?
mircea_popescu: the dmca does not provide for an avenue to enforce anything you wish.
mircea_popescu: misusing it in this manner is a misdemeanor, and more importantly, a path to civil liability.
decimation: mircea_popescu: true, but I suspect that the dc could 'find you violating' without asserting anything w.r.t. dcma claims
decimation: but that would be something for a judge to sort out I suppose
Guest64542: ok I get that. DMCA is not the proper mechanism for enforcement
mircea_popescu: "uh... we just ... didn't wanna do it anymore your honor." "shut up. sit down. "
Chillum: DMCA make a lot of things illegal but does not provide an easy path to conviction
Chillum: a toothless old lady shrieking at people
mircea_popescu: im not about to put anyone in prison. this is about money Chillum .
Chillum: then I am talking about the wrong part of DMCA
decimation: mircea_popescu is performing a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer
mircea_popescu: what started as a service for folks too simple to understand why they do not wish to be /user/1004555
mircea_popescu: turned into a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer.
Chillum: is this like that guy who used a college network to download shitloads of public domain but held by private companies court records?
mircea_popescu: but seriously, they're total fucking idiots. i even had a lengthy comment explaining to the derp in charge how to salt and hash
decimation: the CrossFit thing is hilarious too. it's the latest fad amoung youth
Chillum: it is amazing how much information not encumbered by copyright is held for ransom by private companies
Chillum: I am looking at you JSTORE!
Chillum: mircea_popescu: as usual the conversations here require context that takes time to learn
Chillum: part of what makes this channel intersting
Chillum: at first I stayed for the spectacle, after that for the intrigue
menahem: also the reason why I stfu until I know backstories from trilema.
Chillum: like a movie by some twisted director that keeps you watching in abject confusion/horror
decimation: crossfit is the 1920's 'strong man' circus act, reinvented for today's youth
decimation: which is why claims to originality are doubly amusing
mircea_popescu: but seriously, you're all tech savvy people. who the fuck claims to have, you know, "built the site with security in mind" then makes the db trivially iterable because couldn't be bothered to hash the anything ? would something like user/F2xWjk been so very hard ?
mircea_popescu: gotta absolutely have /10001 so the next one is /10002 ?
Guest64542: Mr P: Sounds like your real dipute at this point is with the dc
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 as far as i'm concerned, there's a crowd of silly people somewhere on the web that tricked a dc into bankruptcy. yes.
mircea_popescu: i like a challenge as much as the next fellow, i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i guess this makes me the first of that evil species of barristish sticklers that you all love to hate that you ever met.
Guest64542: Mr P: Thank you for sharing your perspective on this
Guest64542: Mr P ummm I am not sure what you are talking about LOL
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 04:54:00; mircea_popescu: Guest64542 you know about the log ?
decimation: re: the gray journal: vintage moldbug > "Of course, they can't do much. You can't submit to the gray journal. There is no formal review process. You simply have to know someone who knows someone who... and who is on the end of this chain? Five or ten very ordinary people, with no particular expertise in anything, perhaps a BA in some science or other. Who happen to have gotten themselves assigned, through whatever feat of
decimation: bureaucratic mastery, to the "science beat" at the Times."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the power of the "people's denouncing" in there ? that's the equivalent.
Guest64542: ok I see that there is a record of our conversation
mircea_popescu: god fucking help you if i stand up in the "political meeting" and ask you about X.
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 since you use the web platform andso prolly don't have a local log.
decimation: I thought that the 'political meeting' was for the party to tell people what to think, not vice versa
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with a "democracy", aka representative democracy aka people's soviet is that the victory is always to the fearless.
mircea_popescu: feudalism empowers he with most knights, the rest - he wight less concern.
decimation: I suppose the only 'norm' that moscow really cared about was 'nominal submission to moscow'
mircea_popescu: not exactly. more important in practice - the need to cut the grass.
mircea_popescu: and so a position "of power" was a terrible curse no one wanted.
decimation: one sees exactly the same phenomenon in usg today
mircea_popescu: soon the same old jokes from the 70s are going to begin to circulate once more.
mircea_popescu: "promotion = much more responsibility, not much more money" etc.
decimation: and 'responsibility' means 'yer ass is on the line now', not 'you can choose to do as you wish'
mircea_popescu: decimation it means, "try and leech as much as you can off the young and impressionable females before a determined and disinterested young male gores you."
decimation: ^ note that the hippies in the 60's were the 'young male', and now they are trying to 'maintain responsibility'
decimation: asciilifeform: was it a home depot? I've had exactly the same experience
mircea_popescu: decimation this is an angle alf does not wish to see (deliberate engineer's blindness), but in fact compare the afore-mentioned weev with the unfortunate da prosecuting. is weev a lazy bum ? yes. did the poor da work butt off through law scool ? yes. still not paid debt ? yes.
mircea_popescu: conviction overturned. is da fucked ? yes. is weev feasting on his corpse ? yes.
mircea_popescu: pay a lot to gain very little vs pay nothing to gain whatever you take for yourself. hmm....
mircea_popescu: the problems the social security system has are not limited to the social security system. they are endemic, and that because they are systematic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask someone whom you know in the civil service what does an overturned conviction do.
decimation: I'm not sure said da really profits by keeping his job
mircea_popescu: decimation if i was sure, i'd recommend it to bright young things.
decimation: how does getting $60k salary with $200k in college debt 'make sense'
decimation: well, moldbug would say that the improvement was that there was an actual human the da 'was responsible' to
mircea_popescu: they didn't even speak a mutually comprehensible idiom.
decimation: lord/duke/baron whoever knows the score, king trusts him to keep a handle on things
menahem: no apologies needed. site is pure gold.
decimation: well, my understanding is that in early english monarchy that the king was more of a 'first amoung equals' rather than 'strict commander'
mircea_popescu: the later imperially-ambitious english retconned a bunch of shit into their record
mircea_popescu: (british-german rivalry goes back a long time. as long as there was a germany, really.)
menahem wonders if we could get a quick lesson on modern chains of command compared to medieval structures ?
mircea_popescu: "In fact if an attacker waits until he sees another block on the network, the attacker can be sure that a majority of hashpower is now working on successors to that already published block, and not the one the attacker has kept hidden. The result is not a toss-up, but a distinct advantage to the honest nodes who have published their blocks already. "
decimation: this goes to the thread re: how to distinguish 'trusted nodes'
decimation: it strikes me that it would be desirable to operate a node under a 'wot signature'
mircea_popescu: alf has it. the notion of "good node" is akin to the notion of "clean bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: if you think in these terms you're either in an alt-universe where bitcoin can not exist, or you have woefully misunderstood the present one.
decimation: but the electric company has no way to much delay the flow of electrons to your house
Chillum: if you designed your application right it could sleep the vast majority of the time
Chillum: with wake-up times that fast it can sleep over 99% of the time and scan every few seconds
Chillum: The gps chip I have can operate itself at 50ma and communicate on demand to the ESP8266
Chillum: 2 AA at that level of draw will last near a week
Chillum: aw crap just dumped an ashtary on my keyboard and naken body
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menahem: that is the last thing i wanna picture. going back to the link mircea posted..
Chillum: FYI I am always naked when on IRC
Chillum: you wanna do business mats?
mats: im about to neg rate you if this spam keeps up
☟︎ Chillum: okay well try talking to me first
mircea_popescu: <Chillum> aw crap just dumped an ashtary on my keyboard and naken body << proof wikipedia is a nudist colony.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 05:52:49; mats: im about to neg rate you if this spam keeps up
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menahem: off to bed.. wanted to say: with no trilema, it feels like the net is down. dunno where to surf.
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menahem realizes you've given him some great fuel. gracias & night.
Vexual: alf: electrons that don't all move much
Vexual: has anyone actually found a pencil small enough to mark one?
gabriel_laddel: !s so sick of asciminerism I can't even begin to tell all
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assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 15:50:58; mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of asicminerism i can't even begin to tell it all.
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assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 01:11:43; Chillum: the tech has improved only a little(mostly optimizations) since machine learning was invented
gabriel_laddel: The programmatic object returned then can be used on top of something like e.g., CLIM
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 19:54:52; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you seriously thinking of implementing a sane pgp ?
the_scourge: gabriel_laddel: don't need to up me every 30min i'm just lurking on a rainy morning. plus i've got a bunch of coding do to so i won't want to have voice ... i'll end up chatting too much :)
the_scourge: plus look at the logs i've been kickbanned
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gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-03-2015#1069268 << for the record I was not attempting to "pass off" anything, but rather clearly define what it is that I'm talking about. I'm rather happy to have second-guessed that decision because the correct answer is that the lordship isn't clearly defined outside of what has been posted to trilema and as one who isn't a lord I have no buisness calling it anything other
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cazalla: RE: collapse and motor vehicles, seriously now, ya'll want a dirt bike, what fucking use is a car going to be? dirt bike can go anywhere
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mats: windows server 2003 EOL in under a hundred days
Michail1: Heard people in here play with pogoplug. True?
Apocalyptic: Michail1, yeah same here, looks like the server is down
Michail1: Ok, you're sucking up all the BW. Let Apocalyptic and me in. :P
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funkenstein_: mats, sounds like "the secret agent" by joseph conrad
mats: nothing fictional or derivative about it
mats: this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook
☟︎ mats: a shit tsunami of tcpip.sys bugs lies in wait for server 2003 EOL
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel interdasting, i'll look over this
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup?
☟︎ funkenstein_: sorry i didn't get through reading the references in the references in the start of your material <-- how slow i am
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i was under the impression you were in the process of curating a distro, was i mistaken
gabriel_laddel: the distro has been curated - the development on top of that has not been finished
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:02:01; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup?
gabriel_laddel: "A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. Coupled with meaningful extensibility, the unsophisticated interests that have taken ahold of the bureaucratic process of all linux distributions are bypassed. Imagine hunting down 1000s of individuals distributing a less crapp
gabriel_laddel: y linux kernel via sneakernet produced by ? who didn't interface with the kernel devs and originally uploaded his modifications from several drones abandoned on coffee shop rooftops."
gabriel_laddel: They are guaranteed to have an agent one or two handshakes away.
ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that it will happen, merely planning for the unlikely
trinque: regendering << what a time to be alive
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: plan for victory, hedge appropriately.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: have you heard of la serenissima's insurance policy?
ben_vulpes: bigger deal than the declaration of sovereignty.
ben_vulpes: ey trinque, d'you have time to get the legacy deeds in this weekend?
ben_vulpes: it's be stellar to have them in place before con3.
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah I have time today
trinque: doing some work atm but I'll make sure that happens this afternoon
trinque: ben_vulpes: as I understand it I'll just take the old deeds and re-bundle them?
trinque: is that what's desired, or should I involve the old transactions somehow
ben_vulpes: buuh you and his popescuity have a better handle on the thing
ben_vulpes: well the embedding transactions already went out
trinque: arguably this is the first time this deedbot has seen any of these docs, so I don't think it makes sense to use old transactions as the timestamp
ben_vulpes: do you think it'd be adequate to publish the block, the address and the bundle in the same table on deedbot.org?
mats: is there a direct equivalent for docview in vim?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I could just make another deed with the original transaction data too
trinque: I'm saying all as one bundle
trinque: publish them like they're new docs, and put an additional doc in there saying "hey here are the original txns for these"
ben_vulpes: those deeds were published in certain blocks
trinque: ben_vulpes: what what what
ben_vulpes: the block in which a deed was published is actually important
mircea_popescu: yeah, they were published in certain blocks, you/re not re-deeding them
ben_vulpes: more rows at the bottom of the table, with block, addr and bundle.
trinque: I'll just add a "from" address column, which is always the same for new bundles, but will be the old address for these
ben_vulpes: did the encoding of deed bundle -> addr hash change between your and punkman's versions of the thing?
mircea_popescu: i don't get why you'd do anythin other than a db import
trinque: ben_vulpes: strictly speaking it's not, except to answer the question "were these supposed to come from a different address?"
mircea_popescu: the address they COME FROM dun matter, just the address they GO TO
mircea_popescu: remember ? people can spend the dust ? so you or anyone knows what address proves any claim ?
trinque: I just didn't run the old one, so was going to maybe mark these as having come from the old thing
ben_vulpes: if you want to, deliniate with an <hr /> and a note.
ben_vulpes: at the same time...it's la serenissima's list of deeds. the notary in question is somewhat irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: craftsman allowed to put a history mark in there, <hr /> is quite reasoanble actually.
mircea_popescu: no need for a knote. who knowsn knowsn and who doesn't know better go suck some cocks to find out.
trinque: not saying the old one didn't work, just wasn't my work
trinque: easy to verify whether it did too
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trinque: ben_vulpes: it's still all out there
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "If you're reading this on github there is a more attractive HTML version here." but "here" IS on github. subdomain.gutrot.io
ben_vulpes: i think it's a note for people reading via the repository browser
gabriel_laddel: unless I give someone the direct link, as in here they'll only see it from that code path.
mircea_popescu: funny that all the west knows of a millennium of craftsmanship perfection and perhaps the matrix for all human accomplishment is "but which was the bad one".
gabriel_laddel: It is the good sword. However in the game I stole the reference from - it was the sword of the villain.
mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally, good-evil duality, most important thing that happened. was tom cruise in that ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you wish to blame someone for the new jersey approach, blame constantine. it is HIS fault he stopped throwing idiots to the lions.
mircea_popescu: the nj dudes were just wasps, an irrelevant, far removed margin of the idiocy pie.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "MOOCS (massively open online courses and the like) have failed due to fundamental issues with their technical perspective - a perspective shared by nearly the entire fiat world. New frontiers have opened, Masamune provides a technical foundation for mission critical programmes of the future."
mircea_popescu: in the "completion rate" sense, esp if ill defined, b-a is a failure.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it matters. a school which takes 100 7yos, produces 86 dead 18 yos and 14 sane 18yos is best school.
gabriel_laddel: Completion rate is really irrelevent, the problem is that they've created this new "format" and books are still superior.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, i could tell you what's fundamentally broken with them :
gabriel_laddel: Let's say that you sign up for a course. You cannot possibly learn anything interesting because they've got to execute all code in the browser, or barring that, you're aping youtube videos.
mircea_popescu: they purport to be learner-driven. this is as idiotic as it gets. education works in the following stages : learner picks a teacher TO SUBMIT TO, blindly. teacher rapes the learner. this is education.
mircea_popescu: in trying to insulate the learner from the hot core of education (the rape), moocs succeed in educating the learner from education altogether,
mircea_popescu: becoming something in the style of wikipedia : a great way to batten down the ignorance of users. after a mooc they're just as ignorant as before, but now it's much harder to fix.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel autodidacts are a case of split personality
mats: hey nao, i got 7 hours yest
mircea_popescu: see, THAT is fundamental. what you're describing is not fundamental in any sense, but merely technical. which may be whats' wrong with them, for that matter
gabriel_laddel: While I think that the whole submitting to a teacher thing is important in some cases, we have 100ks of people running through e.g., introductory chemistry courses. There are only so many paths to walk.
mats: its a relatively nice spring day in new england
mircea_popescu: irl, there exists such a thing as gravity. you can't float broadly over a path. gravity pushes you down into it.
mircea_popescu: in abstract fields, no gravity to be your cruel mistress.
mircea_popescu: same must be provided for you elsewhere for your learning to be a path.
mircea_popescu: this can not be fixed by making the path itself different. it is outside the path. yes chemistry is the same.
mircea_popescu: for a learner to learn it, it's not enough for chemistry to "be".
mircea_popescu: mats nice spring here too, which means cooler o.O and for some reason they call spring autumn.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you wish the path analogy, moocs are like tourists : they go "to a foreign country", spend their time between local mcdonalds and local starbucks in the "idiot foreigners" quarter.
mircea_popescu: travel is not tourism. travel is when you have pregnancy scares with local women that do not speak your language.
mircea_popescu: which brings us back to my point : tourist in kenya is not more knowledgeable on "the country of africa" than obama. guy that went through "mooc introduction to chemistry" has NOT been introduced to chemistry.
mircea_popescu: take enough of these you will never ever know anything.
mats: i'm headed out in a bit to check out some MIT exhibits
mats: where you at whaack
mats: yall don't give MIT kids enough credit. just sayn.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, another important hook is the scientific method. (kuhn's book on the topic is absolutely required here, and really it's 100 pages or some shit.)
trinque: mats: the US is literally idiocracy throughout
mircea_popescu: the scientific method exists to provide support for research BY DENYING RESEARCH. that's all it does : marks wide swaths of perfectly valid human inquiry with a tar brush reading "STUPID SHIT WE DONT CARE LALALA"
mircea_popescu: this is of course silly, in the abstract. in practice, it's the only way to have research, by cutting paths out of the unknown.
mircea_popescu: the kid who wants to go "in all directions" just ends up making wall pizza
ben_vulpes: eerie parallel to the "disqualifying bad teachers" thread.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, moocs are made for the wiki generation of broken heads, and a necessary outgrowth from the brokedness baked in the pseudo-encyclopedism.
ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim.
☟︎ mats: trinque: underestimating dangerous people is how clever folks get killed all the time.
trinque: my comment was sarcastic; I'm sure there are those at MIT that can manage a lightbulb
ben_vulpes: the notion that google/facebook/mentorgraphics/ibm feeder schools produce dangerous individuals is *laughable*
mats: i know more than a few grads that have gone on to accept offers with outfits like Palantir.
ben_vulpes: feeder schools for the meatrobot farms.
mircea_popescu: uh. this is like saying "these drama nerds are very sexy, i know one writing for sex in the city"
ben_vulpes: all of the other smart kids now know - MIT murders those who step out of line.
mats: presuming there is not one functioning brain in the lot is fantasy.
ben_vulpes: "not one functioning brain" << oversimplification
mircea_popescu: mats the presumption is merely that any remaining brains are there IN SPITE of mit
ben_vulpes: moreover, MIT isn't producing more "functioning brains"
ben_vulpes: but simulacra that pass the sniff test at palantir and other usg sinecure production theaters
trinque: persuade the usg to cut them fat checks
ben_vulpes: procures and doles out usg cash. what else does one need to know?
mircea_popescu: well, that's the function, financially, whatever. i mean you know, in its own privacy.
mats: what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT
ben_vulpes: writes haskell, wanks in ever more theatrical ways, no doubt.
mats: and its nothing to scoff at. even for a second.
mats: underestimate at your own peril
mircea_popescu: so i should be careful with my windows 7 - ready laptop around them ?
mircea_popescu: i've been there yo. i lived half a year in lowell, mass. i ate half my meals in the house of professors there. i know the place, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: unless they found some sort of unction in the intervening decade, you can't find a single soul on the entire communist autonomous enclave of cambridge that can speak latin.
mats: lowell is the anus of greater boston, yo.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 6.2.3 has some bogus character formatting
mircea_popescu: at the time they were spending massively on some sort of "re-whatever" urban thing. turned a bunch of the old mills into artist lofts and whatnot
trinque: ben_vulpes: this writeup is triggering my end-user-programming ptsd
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i hope you appreciate i hit you over the head because i like you.
ben_vulpes: i've gleaned some useful stuff from this.
ben_vulpes: mostly that curating a distro and then building a lispy "os" on it is a bugger of a task.
trinque: ben_vulpes: 6.1 was eric's thought on the matter as well
trinque: that the right computing environment would just naturally de-derp the user
trinque: mircea_popescu: my old boss called it the "end-user/developer divide."
mircea_popescu: so... you do in fact agree self directed doesn't work, and the shit has to be stomped out. just don't wanna say it.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's definitely something to it. taking people out of a social context which forces and incentivizes them to be stupid usually results in shock, and then significant improvement.
trinque: anything I know is because I had mentors yelling at me and/or my work over my career so far
mircea_popescu: kinda how "brainwashing" in the harem works. or body washing, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: "i can't believe i'm losing all this weight. i am eating way more than b4"
trinque: how could the student know how to construct a scenario which will teach him something he does not yet know
trinque: maybe accidentally, but that's about it
mircea_popescu: ... rather than provide for him the illusion that he has something new while saving him the effort by merely renaming the old shit in his head.
mircea_popescu: self directed learning is like declaratory gender. "i am a woman now". "i am a chemist now". wd eh.
mircea_popescu: footnote 2 is at best confused, and fails to make its point.
mircea_popescu: regarding the following questions: [basic, sensible questions] … doth not work, for one.
mircea_popescu: " Prior to this, the IRS scandal, and currently the administration is refusing to take action on the illegal immigration problem. " << the main clause lost its verb.
mircea_popescu: whole thing looks to me like so much emotion flailing to find expression.
mircea_popescu: Googling "Leeland Yee", "California IOU", "Keith Jackson" or "mexican gangs" paints a rather grim picture. << i thought the web was broken.
trinque: I think this self directed learning thing is just a reaction against having shitty universities; I know that's what motivated me to work on something similar
mircea_popescu: ow sheit look at that. linking to... "the myspace anyone can edit" from your foundational document ? what happens if tomorrow that thing reads "laddel eats c0ks lawl" ?
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, which i insist on the score. the way the brokedness system has propagated itself since at least hamilton, ie two centuries ago,
mircea_popescu: if you think about how a split is driven into wood, i mean the newtonian mechanics underlying the process, you have the model ready : each advancement of the split is a "reaction to" one side or the other overbalancing.
mircea_popescu: you can waltz straight to the devil on x axis by bouncing from -1 to +1 on the y axis.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel " I've assembled some quotes from Wikipedia which paint, from what I could tell, an accurate picture," what is the meaning of "from what i could tell" in that sentence ? because the follow-up, "I've lived in the US for 22 years and heard nothing about" seems essentially an appeal to ignorance. but that aside, how does the "From what i could tell" construct emerge here ?
mircea_popescu: people don't want to sign code, even code they've written. trinque doesn't want to vouch for bundles he inherited. yet you're willing to vouch for this. why and how come ?
mircea_popescu: "africa is still trying to work around the genetic/epigenetic/cultural relationship that leads the inhabitants to destroy anything resembling order."
mircea_popescu: africa is actually, at least from what i've observed, extremely ordered.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: rhodesia is the informative example on this topic. the white guys could survive the attack of outside blacks with the support of the inside blacks, even as the outsiders were being sponsored by the usual "helpers".
mircea_popescu: if you can spend half your tiem on your farm and half the time shooting socialists in the head and still be a region leader, clearly the region's not much of a challenge in the first place.
mircea_popescu: an' all that's really missing is someone willing to go to the trouble.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel see, the djikstra quotes are great. because they are SOMEONE.
mircea_popescu: i propose, broadly, that nobody ever cites wikipedia, in any context. for this exact reason : source needed.
mircea_popescu: "knowledge" without source is gunk. ideally the source is a pgp signature. absent that, it may be a name pre 1980.
mircea_popescu: but people we don't know from before 1980 MAY NOT EVER BE CITED unless they get in wot.
ascii_modem: in old town dc / seppukuras bloom / but no sword have we.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: what did mit do, eat your cat?
mircea_popescu: to go with the "how to fight pseudoscience : ignore it" stuff on trilema.
mircea_popescu: I once knew a girl, she was very smart. she went to mit, and never came back.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: What about using citations found on WikiPedia from somewhat credible sources (post 1980) that lack PGP sigs?
mircea_popescu: I knew a girl once, she was very smart. She went to mit, then returned but never came back.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne someone late may not be credible if they do not get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: someone early may be excused because the word did not exist, is all.
mircea_popescu: "exactly like the bible was driven. before was before, but this is after."
mircea_popescu: "During the last decades the American Departments of Computing Science have severely suffered from a discrepancy between what society asked for and what society needed, but, be it slowly, the gap seems to be closing."
mircea_popescu: mr d is fortunate to have never considered "social studies" seriously.
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whaack: MIT duped a bunch of old guys to give us ~1,000 coins. Sure there are many "bad apples" but MP is definitely hating. Idk what's up with the lightbulb video it is a selected subset for the segment IMO
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mircea_popescu: i've never irl met anyone who couldn't actually light a bulb.
whaack: right, that is not realistic
mircea_popescu: still - ars longa, vita brevis. betting on ignorance is always safe.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that they are selling themselves wrongly : as an achievement rather than as an attempt. which is what allows stuff like that video to *denote*, whether it describes or not.
mircea_popescu: and that problem is present, and that problem is the deep reason i despise mit as an intellectual approach.
whaack: oh definitely, that is a great way to word how I feel about MIT too
whaack: it's marketed that way due to the widespread lack of self-confidence in the community
mircea_popescu: sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt.
mircea_popescu: to a sadly larger degree however, the mit graudates' professed confidence rings hollow, like the posturings of the tiny dicked.
mircea_popescu: the important part of that video isn't even (to my critical eye) the "light a bulb" segment. the important part is the opening sequence. a dweeb dweebing about how "we are the premiere bla bla". o yeah ?
mircea_popescu: well for one, rhetorics is more than praxis, it's also the voice. that is NOT how you speak, if you even know what speech is.
mircea_popescu: oh, shall we excuse him because well... he didn't say premiere humanities, he said premiere technical, and this distinction is actually a thing ?
mircea_popescu: if we shall excuse him for this, then why is he speaking at all ? he should show, right ? he's a technical guy, riught ? how come the only way his technical achievement reaches me is through rhetorics ?
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of self-parody, that thing. the lightbulb segment merely drives this point home to people who aren't accustomed withj judging discourse : the guys are making total fools of themselves. the way they do it reminds the way the original guy did it.
mircea_popescu: it's really a very well constructed piece, what with this classical parts of discourse, reinforcements of thesis etc approach. the guy that made it handshakes with me, and that's why i believe the piece to be important. it's not a matter of the wikified "was it or wasn't it", totalitarian superficialism. it's that the guy that made it clearly knows what he should be saying, and how.
whaack: well for starters the person who winds up on the podium is going to be the one who spent his time trying to make sure he was on the podium instead of doing something interesting, so he/she will always be amongst the least interesting people at MIT
whaack: also, he is likely stating this to try to fight against "sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt." Whether or not he's having an internal struggle and displaying it or trying to help others with their internal struggles idk, probably the former lol
mircea_popescu: i do not read in the original speaker even the faintest glimmer of intellectual life.
mircea_popescu: he is simply making stuff out of masticated wood pulp, like a wasp
mircea_popescu: "because it's what's done. because it's what was always done. citation needed."
mircea_popescu: a more grievous insult to what mit aims to pretend it is could not be devised. even if they invited elena ceausescu to hold that podium.
mircea_popescu: an earthworm taped to an empty box at the grocer's is at least unrelated to academia, rather than the exact opposite of it. they would have been better served by the earthworm.
whaack: right, but you collect a lot of people into the group "mit" The people who are in charge of running the quasi-religious graduation ceremony are logically always going to be the ones who are not pursuing interesting shit
whaack: About half the students don't show up to this stuff, and when they do it's just because it's a place to socialize while someone is rambling in the background
whaack: because if you are deeply invested in research you have no time for the podium shenanagins, so it logically follows that those who are not deeply invested in research are the ones who do have time for podium shenanagins
mircea_popescu: so now we're split in three, technical, humanities AND podium shenanigans ?
mircea_popescu: division of labour is one thing. thought however... now that's indivisible.
whaack: so now we're split in three, technical, humanities AND podium shenanigans ? << I'm confused what you're saying
mircea_popescu: i am saying that historically kids that could add were excused from having to express themselves on the very flimsy grounds that "hey, not like they went to vassar, they're technical minds". hence the humanities-technicals division.
mircea_popescu: now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ?
whaack: now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ? << basically, yes
mircea_popescu: imo society would be better off with a lot of conjugally abused women ("but you don't know him like i do!") and functioning institutions
mircea_popescu: than with no conjugal arrangements to speask of and institutionally abused people ("but you don't know mit like i do!")
hanbot: brandworld problems. the moment people care more about being associated with the group than doing the group's work, groupname is a lost cause.
mircea_popescu: used to be. not anymore, thanks to wot etc, but myeah.
mircea_popescu: still, a significant bias against anyone that offers their being a mit graduate does attach. one necessarily thinks "so this kid is dumb or what."
mircea_popescu: even if they appear smart, that flaw is hard to wash. "he's dumb at least some times, apparently..."
whaack: So... do you hold it against me for even revealing that I'm a student there?
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care, but doesn't it make you yourself wonder ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to answer the general question : biases are a statistic concept, they are meaningful when discussing groups, not individuals. for all i know you're there to troll them, or the only pipe you can get water to your house in happens to be rusted, what are you to do, be without water at all ? gotta wash etc.
mircea_popescu: moreover,without specific cause, why would i judge the affairs of another to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: you can be the dean of aids-is-cured-by-raping-virgin-infants university of harare for all i care.
whaack: so revealing I go to MIT, for the most part, commands the respect of ignorant people
whaack: so instead of "he's dumb at least some times, apparently.." you may want to think "is this fucker insulting me?"
mircea_popescu: well if you do it inappropriately it may well command the disdain of thinking people.
mircea_popescu: what exactly would be insulting about you going to mit ?
mircea_popescu: i go to fratelli icecream parlour, does that insult you ?
whaack: I'm saying that some ignorant people exalt those who go to MIT
whaack: so, if for whatever reason I want the respect of an ignorant person, I may reveal to them that I go to MIT
mircea_popescu: well, kinda poisoned. you don't generally want the respect of ignorant people on their own terms, but on yours.
mircea_popescu: if you allow them to respect you on their own terms you end up buying into their stupidity sooner or later.
whaack: right this is something I've realized / been coming to terms with only recently
whaack: your words hit hard, gonna copy that one
whaack: ((changes resume to name, bitcoin address, and gpg key))
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 17:09:13; mats: this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:14:20; ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase.
mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" and why is it that the retarded seem to be particularly offended at whatever you happened to write last.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the bear wondering why he's not getting any milk and the shepherd dogs bark.
mircea_popescu: "if only you were a sheep" "but i'm to big to be a sheep!" "nevertheless" "but sheep don't get milk anyway" "well... they're in the general area of where cheese is made..."
mircea_popescu: "So what is power? According to our friend Thomas Hobbes: servants, friends, riches, reputation, success, affability, nobility, eloquence, and being handsome." sheeit i had forgotten that definition.
mircea_popescu: (much funnier in romanian, where sfrr is an onomatopeia for sizzle, as in a steak's sizzle, and thus implicitly a pars pro toto reference to "servants, friends, riches, reputation", ie the steak's sizzle.)
mircea_popescu: with expressions like "nici o sfiriala" =lit "no sizzle" = no big deal.
ben_vulpes: anyways nonzero odds my grandmother passes during con3
ben_vulpes: specifically #bitcoin-assets, and that only this year.
ben_vulpes: this is the last biological one i have
ben_vulpes: and the second to pass while i'm in argentina, if things do play out that way.
ben_vulpes: had an amusing conversation with a "transhumanist" the other day about life extension. counterparty had the notion that somehow we'd seen the limits of the body but not the limits of the brain. i asked if this person had actually ever watched an elderly person go through terminal decline, and the answer was of course "no".
mircea_popescu: See, 3D Labs was a dying company. Their expensive GPUs were being marginalized by NVIDIA's increasing pressure on the workstation market. And unlike NVIDIA, 3D Labs did not have any presence in the mainstream market; if NVIDIA won, they died.
mircea_popescu: So, in a bid to remain relevant in a world that didn't want their products, 3D Labs showed up to a Game Developer Conference wielding presentations for something they called "OpenGL 2.0". This would be a complete, from-scratch rewrite of the OpenGL API. And that makes sense; there was a lot of cruft in OpenGL's API at the time (note: that cruft still exists). Just look at how texture loading and binding work; it's semi
ben_vulpes: somehow to this person body and brain are separate things. this person who's never actually watched the terminal trainwreck of cascading failures.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and this person was under 30, and had never taken a virgin asshole, or planted a tree or butchered as much as a rabbit, couldn't put together a disassembled weapon of their choice if they had the whole day
mircea_popescu: and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : if you get your job from the hr dept you suck. real men get their jobs from the ceo.)
ben_vulpes: does actually know how to leverage meatwot for work, could probably put a bolt action together, but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: and to never pass on a good sexist joke : real women, too.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well here's to not. << happens to all of us, no sense derping about when or under what conditions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187450 @ 0.00029744 = 55.7551 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <whaack> ((changes resume to name, bitcoin address, and gpg key)) << you only have the one addr, and plan to tell folks about it?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> ben_vulpes: what did mit do, eat your cat? << 'tis a tentacle of the beast slithering out of the lake, seeking to fasten its suckers onto and drag under those who'd otherwise fight by my side