assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26284 @ 0.00092551 = 24.3261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0388898 = 0.1944 BTC [+]
dub: sadly -assets, your fish pie will never be as good as mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0388899 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
dub: sounds like someone that has never had dub's fish pie
dub: I could IPO this fukcing pie
dub: if you spent 10k BTC on this pie in 2011 you'd still be feeling good about the deal
dub: if obamacare was this pie, mircea would be signing up for that shit
assbot: TubeChop - The Computer Chronicles - Programming Languages (1990) (00:24)
dub: use computer erryday
Mats_cd03: all the fish in the sea can choke to death on acid as far as im concerned
assbot: Dr. Timothy Leary explains his MIND MIRROR computer program. - YouTube
benkay: what's the name for the bitcoin architecture of cryptocurrencies?
dub: sounds a bit like lopher? :)
dub thinks benkay's been using the computer
benkay: how would one draw a distinction between, say Ethereum, Bitcoin and Monero?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48250 @ 0.00092537 = 44.6491 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: this is your chance to coin a phrase
Mats_cd03: dub: dude's cooked out of his mind
dub goes in on some more fish pie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: DayBitTrader Soft Announcement
dub: prediction: all will end well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010224 = 0.1022 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.03800006 = 0.304 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 32 @ 0.03789375 = 1.2126 BTC [-] {3}
dub: they say fish is brain food
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00092061 = 25.0866 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0189743 = 0.1708 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12001 @ 0.0009198 = 11.0385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15118 @ 0.00092111 = 13.9253 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00092382 = 17.0445 BTC [+]
benkay: i do a lot of illegal things.
benkay: but no. across the river, though...
benkay: ;;gettrust tokyopotato
tokyopotato: We have such an awesome in-depth piece on the Dark Wallet coming out. I can't wait to share it with you guys, we should have it finished over the next couple days @ CoinJoint
benkay: oh quit spamming tokyopotato
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00558000 / 0.00561954 / 0.00588990 (18 shares, 0.10115176 BTC), 7D: 0.00558000 / 0.00580697 / 0.00622490 (1203 shares, 6.98578369 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00625411 / 0.00750000 (8256 shares, 51.63390120 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0192279 = 0.2884 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1486 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.4722906 = 8.0289 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.03886392 = 0.3886 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: toffoo: You want esd? 'Cause that's how you get esd.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD"
http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 449.86965777 BTC. Current weight: 49,995.
Mats_cd03: which asset-er is responsible? step your game up
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: Exploitation of Windows DEP to Implement Stealth Breakpoints
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47251378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47251378 BTC [+]
assbot: Calculated Risk: Vehicle Sales Forecasts: Over 16 Million SAAR in May
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9063 @ 0.00092224 = 8.3583 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18911 @ 0.000922 = 17.4359 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47252067 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47200636 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4725 = 0.945 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: davout: so now that bitcoin-central is going to cease to exist in its current form, does that mean the bet is a yes?
jurov: afaik it will just continue as pyamium
jurov: i bet that it will be decided in other way as the iOS one :D
Apocalyptic: as formulated the bet is tied to the domain Bitcoin-central.net
punkman: I don't see why a simple name change is a problem
jurov: no it only says about end of operations or low volume
jurov: neither is the case
jurov: and since the domain itself will be redirected to paymium where you can log in with your old creds
jurov: i don't see any reason to close it as No
Apocalyptic: <jurov> and since the domain itself will be redirected to paymium where you can log in with your old creds // you have a point
pankkake: I agree with jurov. redirect + nothing else changes
pankkake: but that's not up to us, is it? :)
assbot: BitBet - X.EUR contract monthly renewal canceled in 2014 :: 0.44 B (88%) on Yes, 0.06 B (12%) on No | closing in 7 months 4 days | weight: 99`895 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: why would davout do it? AML?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47210005 = 0.9442 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September"
http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.69632357 BTC. Current weight: 99,515.
punkman: jurov, maybe because there is so little volume
jurov: that needs time ( and margin ;) )
punkman: too many bots to remember :/
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00234873 / 0.00234873 / 0.00234873 (714 shares, 1.68 BTC), 7D: 0.00234873 / 0.00261468 / 0.00303014 (5250 shares, 13.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00277485 / 0.00328679 (7874 shares, 21.85 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.472 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.472 = 1.888 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: <jurov> and since the domain itself will be redirected to paymium where you can log in with your old creds // you have a point < he does not. someone can hax bcentral, steal the logins, redirect it to some x site using the stolen logins. would fit description.
Apocalyptic: doesn't contradict the fact he has a point imo
Apocalyptic: the bet clearly states "Bitcoin-central.net will cease exchanging BTC [...]"
kakobrekla: "redirect to another url and login with same info" is worth 0.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30277 @ 0.00091915 = 27.8291 BTC [-] {4}
Apocalyptic: the bet should have then read (The Bitcoin-Central trading platform, currently hosted on bitcoin-central.net, will cease exchanging...)
pankkake: "Satoshi Nakamoto to win Nobel Prize in Economics in 2014" lol
davout: kakobrekla: bitch please, gpg-signed statement
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day"
http://bitbet.us/bet/677/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 128.11816472 BTC. Current weight: 10,792.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0001663 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091983 = 13.3835 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00450095 = 0.4501 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00091806 = 11.4298 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Huobi BTC/CNY Charts - BitcoinWisdom
jurov: "redirect it to some x site using the stolen logins. would fit description." how so?
jurov: 1. they'd need to keep volume till bet closes
jurov: 2. there'd be official announcement from b-c
kakobrekla: i open bitcoin-central and see some porn site, i login with my bc login and it works
jurov: and how would pr0n site avoid tripping on these two conditions?
kakobrekla: just saying that "go to the url and login and see if it works" is shitty argument
jurov: it does *not* wotk as the bet says
jurov: whereas b-c -> paymium will fullfill the bet conditions
jurov: what if paymium will be fullscreen iframe in bitcoin-central.net ? what now?
jurov: heh. but the point stands, it is the equvalent of redirect and it's actually one of unfavorable memories of mine as sysadmin
kakobrekla: <jurov> 1. they'd need to keep volume till bet closes < can you verify the volume is true?
jurov: can you do it now, while it is b-c?
jurov: not many complaints, so it's generally accepted as non-fake
kakobrekla: so at what complaint-rate is it not generally accepted as non-fake?
jurov: maybe davout bribes erryone, what do we know
davout: kakobrekla: bc was a fake all along, having never provably started it can therefore not provably stop operating, and its volume has always been imaginary, therefore it can't drop, therefore bet resolves as 'No'
jurov: well, that's actually for bitbet to set the limit... and if memepics are to be included, too
jurov: i can vouch they sent me completely imaginary euros to my account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00091683 = 14.6693 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15421 @ 0.00092259 = 14.2273 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: TubeChop - The Computer Chronicles - Slowdown in Silicon Valley #2 (1985) (00:19)
mircea_popescu: apparently i found the only decent connection in all of ba
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00458 = 0.3801 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2579 @ 0.00092409 = 2.3832 BTC [+]
davout: not enough sun, not enough skirts
mircea_popescu: they don't do skirts here either, they think it's winter and muy muy frio.
mircea_popescu: you should see the chicks huddled up in heavy duty winter wear
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's... 16. the wind is moreover pleasant. i don't even wear an overcoat.
davout: you're in turkey, right?
davout: k got confused with the istanbul thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00555054 = 0.1388 BTC [-] {4}
breadboard: have anyone seen moiety around recently?
pankkake: I like it when it's slightly cold and rainy
davout: kakobrekla should put the phone number in the topic
fluffypony: kakobrekla thinks it's too circle-jerky to do that
mircea_popescu: this is absurd, calling a woman on the phone is jerky ? that's the anti-jerky.
moiety: I'm unsure who just called me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
davout: "set chan to +m, nobody bats an eye, suggest the phone number be added to the topic : TOO CIRCLE JERKY"
pankkake: it adds entries like "#bitcoin-assets +m"?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: doesn't have a purpose or an intent or a role. it simply is << ever play the '80s game 'M.U.L.E.' ? << no i haven't. for my shame and to my detriment, it turns out!
mircea_popescu: well, i would argue it is not spamming it in that it actually reflects both trust and political intent. which is what the wot does.
pankkake: looking at my ratings, I should probably have more >1
BigBitz: It's more akin to spamming than a reflection of trust, really.
BigBitz: there are lots of +1 Assets +v ratings.
BigBitz: do they /actually/ trust each other or do they just want a +v ? :)
mircea_popescu: pankkake, i've noticed there's a hard wall where people who are trustworthy and well known but who don't do anything major are about 1.x on average, even if over 100 raqtings
fluffypony: "has OCD and is a clown. do not do business"
pankkake: I meant the ratings I created, not the ones I received
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: I don't really have a reason to get good ratings
mircea_popescu: pankkake, well so that you need to tell yourself then :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` canada looks scarier and scarier.
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davout: pankkake: come have coffee, get a rating
fluffypony: ;;rate pankkake 1 The Trolliest Troll of Trollsville. Keeps people in line on Bitcointalk.
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BigBitz: pankkake is on ratings watch :)
pankkake: I'm adding one to most of my sent ratings right now
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fluffypony: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 dons a dapper suit whilst dishing out devilish advice and Bitcoins
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pankkake: ;;rate fluffypony 1 who wouldn't trust a pony
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate fluffypony 1 I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies.
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mircea_popescu: talk about spamming the wot. that thing didn't have so much lulz in it since it was formed.
fluffypony: ;;rate assbot 1 the A in assbot stands for AMAZING
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davout: have you guys been following the ripple circus?
davout: the current drama is quite lulzy
mircea_popescu: may we please have a blow by blow of how the blow blows, mr frenchfry!
davout: mc caleb is dumping, jesse powell is resigning and pointing fingers
BigBitz: he claims he will dump 9billion but still don't see is anything.
fluffypony: cue lawyers letters to cease and desist saying anything about anyone or anything
mircea_popescu: AS IF this wasn't fucking predictable as farts at a bean soup convention
fluffypony: XRP value plummets to like 40% of what it was courtesy of the announcement
mircea_popescu: ok so that problem is finally resolved then, thankfully.
davout: "farts at a bean soup convention" <<< hahaha
assbot: EPA to give grants to fight cooking stove pollution - Washington Times
mircea_popescu: well. "resolved" in the sense doge coin is resolved, buncha derps will be "investing" in it still because hey, they "love to invest when everyone panics" or how did that skinnkavaj line go.
mircea_popescu: chetty, if people only ate govt provided caserolles, how much better it'd be!
fluffypony: btw mircea_popescu did you read about the OpenRigs customer that is apparently a secret agent or have you not got to that part in the logs yet?
mircea_popescu: im stil lon 23rd, checking out moiety's cookies and wondering who the fuck this xjpg guy is.
chetty: mircea_popescu, I am sure we will soon be at the meal in a pill stage, chewing is probably bad for you
mircea_popescu: btw, wouldn't you be affraid of a woman that keeps making supercute dough things it then BITES THE HEADS OFF ?
mircea_popescu: chetty, no cause free dentist health care. if you like your teeth you can keep your teeth,
mircea_popescu: but if you didn't have them you wouldn't eat steak which is bad for the environment,
mircea_popescu: obtw, speaking of steak. i had some fucking INCREDIBLE steaks these past two days. i am fucking humbled, you can not begin to imagine the steaks in this fucking town. omfg.
chetty: no teeth, no biting the heads off :P
pankkake: free healthcare is more about free antidepressants and homeopathy, cheaper and keeps voters happy
mircea_popescu: chetty, btw, take you out for a steak ? we're meeting lospantalones at noonish
mircea_popescu: (and they make a point of writing o nthe door they take dollars at 11.5
mircea_popescu: i wanted to drop 200 bucks o nthem, but apparently it's only for what you eat lol)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48497323 = 0.9699 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: oh sweet - mircea_popescu tell him I say hi
mircea_popescu: (for the interested public :argentina has a bit of an inflation problem, officially peso is 8.58 to the dollar, most anyone will take 9, generally you get about 11 from specialised exchangers. which are of course illegal, so there's five billion of them screaming in the streets - something the argentines don't do for anything else)
BigBitz: you are in Argentina, mircea_popescu?
BigBitz: nice... great food out there.
mircea_popescu: i came across a test scrap today and realized that i spelled the word "redeem" wrong on every single one <<< aaa-hahahaha. YOU NEED AN EDITOR!!1
assbot: 5.5 Errata #006: X Font Service Protocol Erratum
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 579.5, Best ask: 582.48, Bid-ask spread: 2.98000, Last trade: 582.5, 24 hour volume: 12566.90246127, 24 hour low: 562.18, 24 hour high: 593.48, 24 hour vwap: 578.001570568
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fonts. always the worst thing in any env.
mircea_popescu: lol accidentally weaponized comic sans dept. ok, gotta love that
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm not sure if they are the worst... Databases suck pretty bad.
chetty: BingoBoingo, well its beats 3x5 cards
pankkake: unfortunately serving custom web fonts is now all the rage
pankkake: they're even used in replacement of icons
pankkake: so disabling it makes some websites very ugly
mircea_popescu: moiety: I have been on 0 business trips. I used to work in a hospital lol << start saving for argentina next year ? :D
BingoBoingo: chetty: What's wrong with notecards. When I finally severed my last ties to Windows (Endnote X5), I simply migrated the citations database to cards.
pankkake: github does :/ not that I really use it but it's ugly without
chetty: BingoBoingo, nothing wrong with cards, I used em for a very long time, still do for some stuff
mircea_popescu: assbot: Pigeon-feeders in Vienna to be fined 36 as part of city's crackdown on bird population << holy shit they're doing it right. fucking winged rats.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Vacathon! << that's when you go on a cow tipping spree all over the world.
BingoBoingo: Squab can be delicious, but I dunno if I could make the jump to eating dirty urban pigeons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0009174 = 2.5229 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: why don't they call it a PoCathon << ahaha you're one step off getting your own nbc show. "the bowl is round, the mug is round, why not call it roundtine"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For all I know the urban pigeons are eating used heroin needles, junkies hepatitis diarrhea, and random industrial and medical waste
BingoBoingo: I qualify it that way, because I prefer not to document the exact objectionable habits of sky rats.
chetty: pigeons in Turkey do that a lot
BingoBoingo: chetty: How does turkey support pigeons with all of those cats?
chetty: I have pics, somewhere - Turkey/me/leather jacket/pideon poop
BingoBoingo: A lot of the seasonal gulls are starting to find their way here up the Mississippi.
mircea_popescu: punkman: seems strange << few people actually grok opsec. this is probably because most adults were once children, and most children are forced to renounce their hardline attitudes, such as "won't eat any peas ever no matter what"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00091442 = 25.3752 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: like the PoW is the defining factor << the pow is a defining factor, what you on about ?
fluffypony: on the basis of the PoW being the least interesting part about it
mircea_popescu: o you meant for that specific shitcoin in partiuclar, the pow braindamage isn' teven the one braindamage you'd start thre discussion with ?
fluffypony: yes - talking about Monero in particular
mircea_popescu: i suppose 80% of online misunderstanding flows from this particular/general mismatch, tbh. not from the supposed coldness of the medium.
mircea_popescu: "f you're Indian and Muslim you're screwed . UKIP will be in power here, they gonna send you India, but Nazi Modi is in power there."
BingoBoingo: Well, at least Idi Amin isn't still removing all of the asians from "Scotland"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.0007812 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Naureen Nayyar☀ @norabean · now #omg #bitcoin feel free to donate to me :P “@BTC_PRICE: bitstamp: $586
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · now @norabean @BTC_PRICE Start by sucking my cock, NOT by asking for money. Shesh.
mircea_popescu: these people, seriously. "o i am great and wonderful give me stuff". what in the living fuck.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.00536087 = 0.193 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: pankkake:I was wondering about blogs of non-asseters actually << if you do that ima stop reading it altogether.
mircea_popescu: people can suggest blogs through adding them to their own feeds or w/e they do when they want to read blogs.
mircea_popescu: but generally, if people want to be part of the future, they will HAVE TO come here, make friends, become one of us.
mircea_popescu: this part is not negotiable, i don't give a shit how special anyone thinks anyone is. each and every last one sec comissioner, president or prime minister, everyone must, no matter what, getr in wot and so on.
assbot: Nasty Minutes - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: |OgNasty: Any newly generated coins donated to nastyfans we can consider as NASTY MINING. I could identify these and maybe we vote to set policy that NASTY MINING always gets at least 25% of mined coins?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00091244 = 15.6027 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: De ce-s nesuferiti tehnicienii ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: 37.6 BTC reward for information that leads to the arrest of the hacker that is trying to hack all my stuff at the moment. details to come! << lol so all the btc roger ver still has left come to 75.2 ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently it is the amount the extortionist was seeking
mircea_popescu: jurov: asciilifeform: and when will the nonsatanic implementation ship? << for srs!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: davout i dont know, why you keep making trouble and asking us to solve it?! <<< werd!
mircea_popescu: did i ever tell you the story of my clogged toilet in costa rica btw ?
assbot: Petaminx Tutorial - Full - YouTube
fluffypony: I can't get through more than 2 minutes, I don't have 8 hours to waste
mircea_popescu: someone should make a youtube app whereby the person inserts the metallic dongle up their butt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 96 @ 0.03877812 = 3.7227 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so one morning i go to bathroom, i flush when done, it won't drain. i call administratora, she calls her.... well not exactly husband.
mircea_popescu: the clearly "had been in prison" tough guy that owned the building.
mircea_popescu: he tries some basic maneuvers of a slightly more elevated hardcoreness
mircea_popescu: they got some metal wire tools and so forth. they go ait it
mircea_popescu: after a coupla hours the entire bathroom is taken apart, everyone's talking lively in phones
mircea_popescu: a special truck arives, there\'s like nine men in my house, all fighting with the bathroom
mircea_popescu: turns out, an aligator was trying to traverse the sewage got himself stuck.
mircea_popescu: by evening my flushing was fine again. and yet somehow it's the centroamericans that have the reputation for laziness and inefficiency
mircea_popescu: i couldn't guess why. i was fucking impressed, i mean of all the problems one could be ready to solve...
chetty: and MP is not exaggerating one bit
mircea_popescu: well in cr they never destroyed the pipes, what can ido
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, suggestion : move to istanbul for the week. free airfare if hyou got the miles, like 100 a night for downtown hotel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00523 = 0.2615 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: there honestly aren't enough hours in a day to document "all the scams" << he may well have a pooint.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so now you finally get to sleep with your work ?
mircea_popescu: benkay: I was thinking of starting a general shorting fund - sell shares that mimic shares in every way (pay same divs, buyback at vwap after X months). sell the shares at a discount to make them more appealing than real shares << mpex did this early on, but it was a political move to crush the idiots that thought they can make a glbse club. i doubt it'll be financially productive, you'll either fake volume a la btct
mircea_popescu: hl et all or else do half a bitcoin's trade out of 500 idjits.
mircea_popescu: benkay:HeySteve: nonsense. << it's not nonsense in any way. naked shorts are the instrument of evil. women should be always naked, shorts always covered. the us is doing it exaclty backwards.
mircea_popescu: benkay: afaik there's no way to evaluate the float on mpex. you just gotta trust mircea_popescu. << no, this is why the dividend payments work the way they do. mpex will a) not let you pay fewer shares than there are and b) issue you a signed receipt which includes that number.
mircea_popescu: so you get mpex-audited float every time yoyu pay a dividend.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: password is used in two places unfortunately two very important places << that was a pretty shitty password.
mircea_popescu: artifexd: I was thinking about Ubuntu but apparently they suck for reasons that are unclear to me. <<< dependency hell and a bad case of code rot.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: I decided on arch linux although I'm still evaluating desktop environments/window managers.
artifexd: I plan on moving all my server ops to coreos so the centos thing won't be an issue.
mircea_popescu: gotta try around a little. as is typical of open source, diff things work for diff jobs.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't run a server on ubuntu, but if making a system for an ex windows person prolly still best choiuce,
mircea_popescu: benkay: the people with the money to implement dumb crypto things are never going to select professional services people for execution who say things like "what you are trying to build is not possible to build". << pretty much exactly.
mircea_popescu: which is why the rape of the people with fiat by bitcoin is so fucking essential.
mircea_popescu: capital doesn't belong with the idiots currently holding it. they don't know what to do with it, other than pay people to falsely claim they do know what to do with i.t
mircea_popescu: lol i c. so what did htey test, the secretaries' lower piping ?
chetty: prolly to see if the trench was filled
mircea_popescu: princessnell: not exactly keep living, but maximize probability of the highest possible degree of genetic transmission. but you get my drift. << iget your drift, i just don't perceive any substance to it. can you prove your purpose is more to convey your own genetic material than to convey the genetic material of the e coli you're very comfortably keeping at a pleasant temperature deep inside, and strive to keep well
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: i would've thought he was the exact opposite << this, incidentally, is how you know you've buddha'd. various people reading your stuff come to exactly opposite conclusions on fundamental topics such as "what is the purpose of meaning"
mircea_popescu: and you two as well as anyone interested is invited to a full debate of this matter, to take place statring 8pm today, my time. which is roughly in nine hours. then maybe we can get to the bottom of it
fluffypony: ah at 1am I am definitely going to be drunkish or asleep
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, apparently diogenes kyon was perpetualloy both, is still remembered.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick with suing is to make up your mind quick and let the papers fly the next day.
mircea_popescu: "It has just been announced now that UTA, the union of bus drivers, will convoke a full strike for ALL buses(colectivos y micros , which means city and long distance buses) for this Wednesday, 28 May starting at 0000 in ALL OF ARGENTINA!."
chetty: your tax money, hard at work
mircea_popescu: but perhaps... it's cheaper than a car and doesn't need your foot on the ground like a bike ?
mircea_popescu: gravy train coming to an end, in a decade nobody will even remember who bezos was.
mircea_popescu: ok and with that im caught up with the 23rd. omfg you people talk A LOT
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mototricycles are notorious for rolling and crushing the driver/rider
gribble: Current Blocks: 302731 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 1684 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11225085364.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.35832
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.0387799 = 1.9002 BTC [-]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 155992.46 in 337 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.74
pankkake: I wonder if I'll ever squeeze in a block
pankkake: or what I could get by selling those usb erupters
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. The three wheeled cycle rollover problem is why you don't see new manufacter 3 wheeled atvs anymore.
punkman: the four-wheeled ATVs got rollover problems too
punkman: tourist idiots like to rent them around here, then they end up in a ditch with broken legs
BingoBoingo: punkman: Correct. As bad as the four wheeled problem is, three wheeled...
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bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: nubbins` canada looks scarier and scarier. <<how so??
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu:these people, seriously. "o i am great and wonderful give me stuff". what in the living fuck. << es el socialismo
assbot: Modern Forms of Slavery Generate $150 Billion a Year in Profits for Exploiters - Real Time Economics - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC {2}
pankkake: but that wouldn't have been only 150B
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 56 @ 0.038 = 2.128 BTC {4}
pankkake: More than half — 55% — are women and girls.
pankkake: apparently barely over half is worth mentionning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: eh not sure the us system is quite that dark a shade of gray
bitcoinpete: i mean, you live there and i live in the hottest economy on the continent, so feel free to correct me
bitcoinpete: but if it's relative, which it is, then the usa sucks a boatload but is still freer than plenty o' places
bitcoinpete: the welfare state provideth so that the womenz and childrenz don't have to wear visible chainz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.470005 = 0.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0192 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I feel like the "working poor" is getting more common thanks to the taxfare state
bitcoinpete: the modern definition of freedom, that of economic security and material well being, is a very specific form of slavery
pankkake: you can hardly afford to save, and most of your earnings go to crappy government programs supposed to help you
bitcoinpete: don't give to the homeless directly. there's gov programs to help them
pankkake: sadly it's mostly a belief those things exist
pankkake: yes. it's not going back to the people who need it
pankkake: but the taxpayer/voter thinks it does
davout: the easiest is to give time
assbot: Service civique Wikipdia
bitcoinpete: "L'objectif du service civique, et plus largement des volontariats, est de permettre à des jeunes (en particulier mais pas seulement) de s'investir à plein temps dans un projet d’intérêt général" << omfgbbq better have "permission"
pankkake: this was hinted a few times as a replacement of conscription
pankkake: and conscription is undoubtely slavery
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: well in cr they never destroyed the pipes, what can ido << and those pipes are quite the delicate roses. no flushing tp iirc
pankkake: I buy TP where the cardboard thing can be flushed too, it changed my life
pankkake: and once again george was wrong, toilet paper changes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 24 @ 0.038 = 0.912 BTC
pankkake: that's a bit of an exaggeration
bitcoinpete: pankkake: never heard of this sorcerous tp roll you speak of
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 150 @ 0.038 = 5.7 BTC
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0191999 = 0.1152 BTC [-]
jurov: UKs first exchange with access to the banking system... but..we're actually doing casino first?
fluffypony: jurov it gets better - didn't you see the forum post with their PHP exchange alpha / demo / whatever leaking info?
assbot: [CounterParty/Colored Coins] IPO announcement. Mimex - UK bitcoin exchange
jurov: i came to satan worship so far
assbot: BitcoinBourse.eu - decentralised market place to buy and sell Bitcoin person to person! Welcome to the future of Bitcoin trading!
pankkake: apparently even bitcoin bourse is more conventient than colored coins
jurov: on bbs there are 3000 shares offered at 0.008
jurov: and no other bids/asks ofc
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and you two as well as anyone interested is invited to a full debate of this matter, to take place starting 8pm today << buddha, i'll be there. that is, here.
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assbot: [CounterParty/Colored Coins] IPO announcement. Mimex - UK bitcoin exchange
fluffypony: jurov: I favoured the lesser fool in that instance
decimation: asciilifeform: If you are in PG county, that's pretty much the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state of the US
decimation: although Baltimore city is probably worse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00458201 = 0.197 BTC [-]
assbot: Putin's rockin' & rollin' on a Harley Trike - YouTube
decimation: at least Putin is able to put motorcycle thugs to useful work in Ukraine
decimation: apparently in the US they can only clog traffic in the capital city
decimation: True story: once I was walking along a street in Washington, DC during some dumbass WTO protest or something
decimation: I stopped to watch at Farragut Square park, which is full of bums. The bums all gathered on the street to watch the procession. First, came 50 or so so policemen riding on Harleys. Next, a sad mob of a few hundred youths protesting the "prision state"
decimation: several of them climing over various obstacles, attempting to scale traffic lights, overturn trash cans, etc..
decimation: After the last of the mob wondered past, one of the nearby bums shook his head and mumbled "only in America" and shuffled back to his campsite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00457308 = 0.4116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.14396835 BTC to 8`915 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03070001 = 0.1228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0381101 = 0.1906 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC
benkay: <mircea_popescu> obtw, speaking of steak. i had some fucking INCREDIBLE steaks these past two days. i am fucking humbled, you can not begin to imagine the steaks in this fucking town. omfg. << told you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC
benkay: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: I'm not sure if they are the worst... Databases suck pretty bad. // let me tell you about this magical closed source database i own...
benkay: hey wait, weren't the legendary symbolics environments of yore closed source as well?
benkay: but how did they protect against piracy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.03810377 = 1.5242 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 35 @ 0.038 = 1.33 BTC
benkay: oh for an arch that did s-exps in hardware
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 11 @ 0.038 = 0.418 BTC {2}
benkay: HeySteve2: you're connected to channels before your hostmask gets applied fyi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay: afaik there's no way to evaluate the float on mpex. you just gotta trust mircea_popescu. << no, this is why the dividend payments work the way they do. mpex will a) not let you pay fewer shares than there are and b) issue you a signed receipt which includes that number. << contract also spells it out.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay:HeySteve: nonsense. << it's not nonsense in any way. naked shorts are the instrument of evil. women should be always naked, shorts always covered. the us is doing it exaclty backwards. << you'll note i came around eventually.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> so you get mpex-audited float every time yoyu pay a dividend. << wait but as in the case of mpif, a malicious broker could issue more shares and not pay to that float, as mpex doesn't enforce that divs be paid to the whole float which you say is a feature but my tiny brain still percieves as a bug
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 14 @ 0.038 = 0.532 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 6 @ 0.038 = 0.228 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 540 @ 0.00222884 = 1.2036 BTC [-] {24}
benkay:
http://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chxr=0,0,37889&chm=h,000000,0,0.31,1&chxt=y&chbh=a&chs=450x220&cht=bvs&chco=4D89F9&chds=0,37889&chd=t:10372,9279,14650,15462,10146,9344,9662,12580,13607,17737,12812,16740,17611,29146,15490,18496,18373,20967,15589,20740,10490,9119,6705,7736,4046,6323,6933,8297,6362,9305,9973,11029,10468,6838,3301,1019,3183,6510,6133,11544,14766,17248,15970,14836,18496,10667,9139,14869,16325,14353,15007,9315,13960,13258,12440,9318, assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 120 @ 0.038 = 4.56 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
jurov: benkay how issue? you mean, outside mpex?
benkay: didn't mpif have a float of n at t=0 and then shortly thereafter had a float of n + m?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00084337 = 9.9518 BTC [-]
jurov: mp wrote "mpex will not let you pay fewer shares than there are"
assbot: dooglus comments on I'm finally out of the red
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11266 @ 0.00084146 = 9.4799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46079225 = 1.8432 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10598491 = 0.5299 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: jurov: wow reddit is angry at dooglus "Dooglus, as the owner of Just Dice, you should not have said anything to them whatsoever, due to conflict of interest. You may have cost yourself a lot of respect from the community."
fluffypony: dooglus: for what it's worth, I think they're utterly moronic, they're reacting as if they didn't read the second part of your comment
assbot: Distraught Redditor debates whether to gamble their life savings. Owner of Just-Dice shows up and chimes in: "If you think a 49.5% chance of having 100 BTC is better than a 100% chance of having 50 BTC, then betting it all on a double-or-nothing at Just-Dice is the way to go." Decides to bet; loses. : Bitcoin
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pankkake: I haven't seen any casino owner try to dissuade gamblers as much as dooglus
pankkake: eh "For me, the pain of losing is so much stronger than the joy of winning that I mostly don't play."
pankkake: but you gotta be upset at someone else than yourself
fluffypony: he should've promised "guaranteed rewards" like most of the IPOs
thestringpuller: pankkake: dooglus is also not a criminal like most casino owners in Vegas...
pankkake: " You may have cost yourself a lot of respect from the community."
fluffypony: the way I read his post was: "if you feel like pissing your money into the toilet, please use my toilet. Personally, I don't think pissing money into a toilet is a good idea. I don't piss money into the toilet much."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> turns out, an aligator was trying to traverse the sewage got himself stuck. << woah!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00010504 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1001 @ 0.00082661 = 0.8274 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0192 = 0.1152 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03099927 = 0.62 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0192 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000105 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00082661 = 2.8931 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: the guy that lost 50btc on jd: <pippin> At least I have a reason to try at school now lol, any delusions of being rich just went out the window.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00455405 = 0.1139 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 2bb7e8720356f79a9005488a529ab12d6f516879b2357224204cb5f2b780fd02
poutine: with a shout out to this channel
poutine: nah it's a bitcoin nonstandard tx that someone put an ascii message in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1576 @ 0.00211023 = 3.3257 BTC [-] {9}
poutine: if you click "advanced" at the bottom, and then take the script output: echo "2153484f55544f555420544f2023424954434f494e2d415353455453202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020" |xxd -p -r
poutine: you get: "!SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS "
pankkake: lol indeed. how did you find that one?
punkman: poutine, what else have you seen in your travels
poutine: pankkake, I make custom txes, and was going through some strange transactions and saw it
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 15c2b9bc3b93e0c0a037c5fa8402d0e34e13d3bb0ce7fca65888e5d24e597dcc
poutine: was seeing if there were any loose transactions on the blockchain I could claim with a little bit of brainpower
punkman: poutine, how do you answer the puzzle?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 95de640457b7bcfc4608d84f84542efc40cc7ee7761dd6c7102bc0b36f0d9d51
poutine: echo "6561746174757264796f75736869746d6f6e6b6579" |xxd -p -r
poutine: There were 3 valid scripts that would have redeemed that tx
assbot: Bitcoin BlockBrowser - unknown Scripts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0381981 = 0.2292 BTC [-]
punkman: thestringpuller: well now you can ask poutine to write it :P
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> mircea_popescu: nubbins` canada looks scarier and scarier. <<how so?? << icebergs and shit
punkman: mircea_popescu: maybe you should put some cryptograms in the blockchain
poutine: thestringpuller, I use bitcoinjs-lib
poutine: I followed the instructions for a regular transaction, but instead of the normal pay to pubkey/scripthash, I just put in my own script
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mircea_popescu: pankkake: and conscription is undoubtely slavery << all education is slavery.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete that's in like, palenque in mexico, arenal in cr etc. tourist traps with shitty pipes. otherwise not a concern.
mircea_popescu: jurov: UKs first exchange with access to the banking system... but..we're actually doing casino first? << is this that dunne guy that was here recently ?
chetty: ;;rate los_pantalones 1 real person bought me lunch.
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jurov: mircea don't remember
mircea_popescu: benkay: didn't mpif have a float of n at t=0 and then shortly thereafter had a float of n + m? << 1mn, then as that sold out 2mn
gribble: mrwdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <mrwdunne> US doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to human rights and terrorism. Their judgement was probably the correct one
mircea_popescu: omfg check out the complex excel sheeting for 5btc or w.e it is
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how self important those fuckwits are jeez.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 169 @ 0.0007812 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}
poutine: It is possible to play a game on the blockchain where there's a limited amount of moves. Chess would be too complicated, checkers might not be
mircea_popescu: "viscous personal attacks" dub ?! quick, call the interwebs poleese.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <mike_c> more like "humans" freak out when they don't understand something. when people ask me about why the market moved I give them the time-tested answer: God.
chetty: MASSIVE Colorado mud slide is 4 miles long ,2 miles wide & 250 feet deep.....
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davout: meanwhile, dotcoin is getting buttraepd
poutine: thestringpuller, Well you have a 201 opcode limit, 1000 stack size limit, and a 10000 byte tx limit, I need 8 opcodes per comparison, so as long as there's 24 possible moves or less it can be played on the blockchain
mircea_popescu: punkman: MP goes away, the logs dry up, for shame << i dunno dood, I've been working to catch up for three days. in between picking up hawt brazilian chicks in the street and shoveling steaks
poutine: I can make a tx where there's 24 potential scriptSigs that will redeem it
poutine: mircea_popescu, Hmm I'm not sure I understand, the way I'd see it is if it were chess, all possible moves would be an acceptable redemption for the tx, like pawn to e4 would be a redemption, Qxe5, etc. That way the game could be followed just by following the blockchain for the tx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 339 @ 0.00430964 = 1.461 BTC [-] {4}
poutine: Ok well I can do tic tac toe on the blockchain, let me write it up
poutine: (it's going to result in unspendable outputs because... tic tac toe though)
mircea_popescu: yeah i see. thing is... why'd you want to play it this way rather than the normal way ?
punkman: poutine, your puzzle redeeming transaction could be rewritten by a miner right?
poutine: mircea_popescu, Oh entirely for fun
poutine: also it would prevent double turns, forgeries, etc by virtue of the protocol
poutine: yes, a miner could cheat, but a miner would have a significant cost to cheat
poutine: we're talking probably thousands of dollars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+]
poutine: Ok I should not make the claim that an unsigned transaction cannot be forged
poutine: I should say it'd be cost prohibitive at this point
mircea_popescu: see the thing is, your system may actually SAVe the miners thousands of dollars.
mircea_popescu: because they load it in the mempool and chainmine for all its permutations
punkman: poutine, what's the cost? seems like you only have to come up with something that identifies rewritable transactions and broadcasts them with his own address
poutine: punkman, the cost is that you'd have to solo mine to forge the tx right now, or participate in a mining pool that would automate the forgery
poutine: Writing the forgery code is easy, being able to mine the block to test it out is not
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punkman: you can just throw the rewritten transaction out there and hope someone mines it, no?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: bitstamp: if the story is true, they've fucked their public goat. << the story is both true and not really new.
poutine: punkman, nah you'd need to know the secret to be able to do the move
mircea_popescu: they were lolled at for asking for miner gear purchase receipts from people who indicated the btc source os "mining" for months nao
poutine: also nobody really mines nonstandard txes on btc mainnet with one exception
punkman: poutine, but you share the secret when you try to redeem
poutine: mircea_popescu, the one exception is eligius right now
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pankkake: my fault, should not happen again
pankkake: well no that case was jborkl's fault. he added tracking to the URLs
poutine: punkman, Ok so if I was making the move e4, and my player secret was foo, and an acceptable redemption scriptSig is hash256('fooe4'). When I submit my redemption, you're saying someone else would see it in the mempool, and submit it to a different mempool with the redemption going to a different address?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00235853 = 0.3326 BTC [-] {3}
poutine: The miner situation I think is obvious, a miner could definitely redirect the output with little effort, and nobody to punish him for it, but wouldn't the above situation simply be covered by the timestamping server, and currently by the fact there's only one mining pool that accepts these transactions, and they do not allow double spends in their memory pool?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, left him a comment, curious if he publishes it.
thestringpuller: poutine: re earlier: 24 possible moves total? or 24 possible moves within a single turn?
poutine: 24 moves within a single turn thestringpuller
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mircea_popescu: and stop relying on incidentals. if there's any value to fucking you over, the nonstandard txs will be accepted by everyone.
poutine: disregard timestamping server comment
mircea_popescu: the fact that there's no one doing it now simply reflects the fact nobody is currently giving a shit. not something ytou can rely on as you change the incentive structure
thestringpuller: "Considering the points above I believe that Bitcoin stocks are here to stay. The key to success here would be the issuers screening and preemptive measures against fraudulent players. Serious and responsible project can be successful here, and most probably relatively unperturbed by regulators. Centralized exchanges should have a crucial role, since decentralized ones cannot probably achieve high level of protec
poutine: mircea_popescu, yeah I would agree with you
pankkake: I usually stop reading at "here to stay"
poutine: in any event, it is fun to play with custom transactions, I'm surprised there's only been 1661 of them according to webbtc.com
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid: dignork: I find it hard to conceive of a business that can't think of expansion . << efficiency of capial deployment is the issue. read buffett\s letters to investors, he covers it in detail
poutine: It'd be quite easy to dump data into btc. I'm sure it'd piss off a lot of people though (namely everyone with the blockchain), but you could embed wikileaks into the blockchain through redeemable transactions
kakobrekla: poutine what exactly defines a 'custom' tx?
poutine: kakobrekla, not pay to public key, pay to script hash
poutine: OP_RETURN <short amount of data> might be standard now
mircea_popescu: 6:11:48 PM CheckDavid But btc on their books are less valuable to shareholders due to the risk of.losing them and other factors.
mircea_popescu: this is not actually correct. btc on mpex books are more valuable than btc held by users, (and are traded as such)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0975 = 1.2675 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: on the grounds of everyone having managed to lost more wallets in the intervening two years than bitcoin
mircea_popescu: in other words, giving "yourself" 100% trust arbitrarily is not well borne by experience.
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mircea_popescu: so noob hears about bitcoin in 2014, his opinionator goes into overdrive, he writes it all down
mircea_popescu: \because his wild eyed naivite this is how it works, noobs have something to contribute to the conversation in spite of their complete ignorance of history and where the conversation currently is,
mircea_popescu: and then bitcointalk is the place to do that. i suppose this guy goes around in a toga because nobody told him the roman empire fell i nthe meanwhile.
Duffer1: even odds his losses will approach 90% by this time next year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0385 = 0.385 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Duffer1: even odds his losses will approach 90% by this time next year << usually the case for all n00bs
mircea_popescu: 90% odds his losses will be 50% by next year, and yet he'll be misreporting them (to himself) and misbooking them correspondingly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 216 @ 0.038 = 8.208 BTC
mircea_popescu: prolly thousands of noobs with unpublished delusitarian books
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mircea_popescu: >>> AES encryption is applied to the wallet. Passphrase is specified via environment variable PICOCOIN_PASSPHRASE. << god help us.
mircea_popescu: the people who think they have something to say in bitcoin, and the ways their brains work.
pankkake: at least it's not command line, lol
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: can't bring myself to do another router or ip camera << you post these anywhere ?
pankkake: I mean specifiying the passphrase on the command line. gets in process list, in shell history, etc.
thestringpuller: you could do echo $PICOCOIN_PASSPHRASE and it's on the cmd line...
mircea_popescu: pankkake, but srsly, bitcoind takes the wallet passphrase as command line
thestringpuller: but if you put a space before the command it doesn't store it in bash history (like that actually helps)
pankkake: well, at least there's the RPC way to do it safely
pankkake: but it probably should not exist, yes
mircea_popescu: it could be made to be safe, of course, but then again so can this (dedicated system)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: oh wow yea you can recover it if you're logging...
Naphex: export HISTFILE=/dev/null
mircea_popescu: benkay: if i have to run bitcoind anyways why the fuck not just run bitcoind and take a dep on the whole fuckoff blockchain? << quite.
pankkake: by default linux does not filter the ps list, so you don't even need to be the same user
Naphex: been having a very nasty cold since friday, i'm mostly zombie mode
mircea_popescu: pankkake, even if you try to protect it, there';s too many ways logs leak.
pankkake: and then you can catch the bad sysadmins who run mysqldump in crons with password options
mircea_popescu: even csf has holes in it due to the way logs are handled by kernel
Naphex: how are you fitting in?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Electrum server isn't SPV. it's SPV-like <<< ahahaha this has just summarized the mental capacity of bitcoin coder ppls. yes, exactly. the code isn't working, it's working-like.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: is ba your final destination?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 26 @ 0.038 = 0.988 BTC
mircea_popescu: i don't intend to be buried here if that\s what you mean
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, ahahaha, agent mazzotta's office has all the opsec of a chicken coop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 103 @ 0.038 = 3.914 BTC
fluffypony: I told the support staff to just close the ticket
fluffypony: but for a while I was tempted to reply:
fluffypony: "Tell Agent Mazzotta the lizard has entered the fibreglass cage of resourcefulness. Do not miss a word. Also tell him that the following message is CICADA 3301-F encoded: OSDJFSH02382oaSDFaweasdFAWr3q23eaq#RWQAE"
mircea_popescu: This is the brand and trademark page for RUNWAY BEAUTY which was created on August 20th, 2007 by Runway Beauty, an CORPORATION. The trademark owner is located at 8637 E. Berridge ln. in Scottsdale, ARIZONA. Runway Beauty can be contacted at 480-361-5012, odci@cox.net
fluffypony: indeed - I believe he even has a nail technicians license or something
mircea_popescu: ill tell you what happened, and you won't like to hear it.
mircea_popescu: a guy by the name mazzotta who happens to be a federal agent contracted for his own garage to have some rig shit delivered. he was gone one day, and his WIFE who is about as clueful as the average blondy
mircea_popescu: (your blondy excluded) decided it'd be a great idea to leak info, so she did.
mircea_popescu: now you have an unduly exposed customer that shall be unhappy to hear about it, if he ever does.
fluffypony: ok wait, so by day he's a beauty magazine editor
fluffypony: by night he's a CIA agent cum Freemasoner
fluffypony: and on weekends he mines altcoins on his GPU rigs
mircea_popescu: they had an info thing about bitcoin that was widely disseminated
mircea_popescu: which is how most agents heard of bitcoin, and why they think its cool.
punkman: fluffypony, probably should have censored your pastebin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010231 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: if it was from @cia.gov it would be different
punkman: fluffypony: you shouldn't be leaking customer names on principle
decimation: asciilifeform, I have friends in PG county who had nearly the same thing happen to them - tree roots in the sewer line. It was in one of the "Levittown" areas built out in the 60's
fluffypony: punkman: if it was a scammer, I'd put his info up on the interwebs without hesitation. This guy is borderline, so he gets borderline dox.
decimation: you can learn much about American "progress" by touring the old suburbs of Washington
decimation: homes in the Levittown are small with big lots. New homes are huge with small lots
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he tried to chargeback after it shipped
fluffypony: only because of his stupidity and unfamiliarity with the PayPal process did it lapse and close
benkay: <mircea_popescu> fluffypony: Electrum server isn't SPV. it's SPV-like <<< ahahaha this has just summarized the mental capacity of bitcoin coder ppls. yes, exactly. the code isn't working, it's working-like. // i wept
fluffypony: if he was just innocent and everything was all hunkery-dorkery I would chuckle at the Sekrit Ajint thing and move on
fluffypony: but coupled with the PayPal thing it was just laughable
fluffypony: he's ALSO the guy that told us he was in charge of the 8th largest magazine in the world
fluffypony: when we tried to reach out to him to resolve the PP dispute
fluffypony: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world"
fluffypony: straight out of the proverbial horse's mouth
assbot: Ahaha funniest shit I saw all week. Hey noobster, /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash IS ALL ABOUT PRIVILEGE. /aantonop @30somethingST Examine your privilege
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010231 = 0.1023 BTC [-]
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: residence location: The quality of humanity surrounding your residence is far more important than the quality of the streets and infrastructure
decimation: well, the latter is a direct consequence of the former as well
mircea_popescu: "The fact that Bitcoin’s followers deeply oppose this sort of aggressive government action explains why their aspirations to building a universal currency aren’t working."
mircea_popescu: anyway, i invited her over, curious what comes of this.
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mircea_popescu: holy shit i nearly caugfht up on logs omfg i feel so accomplished now
mircea_popescu: pankkake: :( specifiying bets is hard << you telling me.
mircea_popescu: and i nthe bc.net case, isn't davout actually invested on the no side ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: just saying that "go to the url and login and see if it works" is shitty argument << well ok, but would the pron site allow you to withdraw your bc balances too ?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: plain or rich text? << ahaha a new standard is born
decimation: bitcoin will stand or fail on its own merits - it doesn't matter if "followers oppose actions"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00082392 = 21.2983 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu: do you plan to incorporate anything in b.a.?
BingoBoingo: benkay: I imagine he's incorporating more steak into his mouth.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you should see these steaks. new york never had such steak in the past decade.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My impression of Argentina is that it in reality is what people imagine the better aspects of Texas to be.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm interested to hear about what the challenges are down there
benkay: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: My impression of Argentina is that it in reality is what people imagine the better aspects of Texas to be. // it's true!
mircea_popescu: benkay, there are no challenges other than being poor.
decimation:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874 "The proportions of trans 18:1 and n-6 FA were higher (P<0.001) for both grain-fed beef groups than grass-fed beef. Data from the present study show that grain feeding decreases functional lipid components (long chain n-3 FA and CLA) in Australian beef regardless of meat cuts, while increasing total trans 18:1 and saturated FA levels."
assbot: Effect of feeding systems on omega-3 fa... [Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
decimation: grass fed cows are healthy; produce healthy meat
mircea_popescu: anyway, im definitely staying, everyone start saving for next year's conference. i got the hotel, it's a pleasure. you're all getting apartments even! and superb restaurants and everything.
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phtest: Hi. Thanks MP for giving me voice. Just lurking for now :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0045734 = 0.1555 BTC [+]
pankkake: decimation: why the sudden paleo propaganda? :)
mircea_popescu: punkman: tourist idiots like to rent them around here, then they end up in a ditch with broken legs << word.
decimation: Hey I'm not saying that you have to eat paleo. But all things being equal, it's probably better to eat a cow who ate grass instead of one who was fed grain in a cage
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pankkake: I eat paleo, I just wondered why the link from 2006 apparently
decimation: I suspect that Argentinian beef is more likely to be raised free-range than on a feedlot, but I could be wrong
pankkake: I now walk 1 hour a day, used to be 0, spent half my day in bed for months
decimation: I find good shoes and socks are a requirement for pain free walking
mircea_popescu: everything hurts. do you know what i do ? i fucking ignore them.
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pankkake: at that point in my life, pain is just some random information :/ I'm bene gesserit level
decimation: Mircea you should move back to new zealand, healthy food, relatively unpopulated
decimation: true there's horrible earthquakes, but the people rebuild pretty quickly apparently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC
fluffypony: decimation: it also has the All Blacks
fluffypony: which I think is reason enough not to move there
fluffypony: maybe he misunderstood the Christchurch, NZ comment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0001663 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
fluffypony: yeah, and once you move to South Africa you won't want to leave
fluffypony: now if only BitBet allowed longer bets
fluffypony: "MP to move to South Africa before May 26th, 2024"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00082392 = 2.1834 BTC [-]
decimation: I thought you had scouted Christchurch before settling in Romania, or perhaps it was only by spreadsheet
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jurov: just procrastinating
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turbo_ac100: I'm debugging sound in fuckin manjaro. It's a disgrace... So 2000 :/
BingoBoingo: Well I've done test installs of OpenBSD on my machines. Only unsupported hardware is the wifi card in the laptop I'm on now.
BingoBoingo: turbo_ac100: No, a X120e, 2011 model Lenovo
BingoBoingo: The fucking AMD GPU works, but not the onboard realtek RTL8188CE
BingoBoingo: Apparently the USB version of this chipset works spectacularly. Just not the mini-pcie card.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation it was by advance party. like i do these things/
BingoBoingo: The build is durable. It is really all I ask for in a portable machine.
mircea_popescu: durable it is yea. not great for compatibility issues, tho.
assbot: Ahaha funniest shit I saw all week. Hey noobster, /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash IS ALL ABOUT PRIVILEGE. /aantonop @30somethingST Examine your privilege
BingoBoingo: This is the first portable where when the battery life became unbearably short I actually ponied up for a new OEM battery.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00082018 = 8.1198 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: nope. i should start a blog
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: theres just something about the design thats timeless
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: One of my favorite parts when lugging it around campus was it's theft deterrent design.
Mats_cd03: even the clit, which is aggravating even when the stars are aligned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. In 2011 I was ignorant and didn't know to look.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00458512 = 0.2293 BTC [+]
pankkake: it's what I did with my thinkpad… got a realtek usb that worked much better than the realtek pci-e on linux
assbot: 500 Internal Server Error
pankkake: yeah. it works really well. also bought a big-ass antenna
fluffypony: I have two, but yeah, not very battery friendly
fluffypony: but back-in-the-days it was *the* promiscuous wifi dongle to have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 19698 @ 0.00009939 = 1.9578 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00082047 = 1.6409 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0045869 = 0.4128 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Ah, when I was living in Missouri I learned that scorpions apparently love settling in cardboard.
benkay: what's the browser, BingoBoingo ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.46070011 = 9.214 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I always test my websites under lynx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00082047 = 0.8205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1040 @ 0.00418236 = 4.3497 BTC [-] {28}
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: penguirker should have you covered
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I dunno what you are running. Just install it and behold the glory.
dub: links just adds porn to lynx
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1500 @ 0.00021726 = 0.3259 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.48965382 = 9.3034 BTC [+] {8}
benkay: everything old is new again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0385 = 0.385 BTC [-]
Duffer1: deepness in the sky was a bit better imo
benkay: some days software archaeology is all i do
benkay: cost for maintenance of legacy systems starts at 2x the greenfield rate with another factor proportionate to the number of lines of code, another proportionate to number of servers involved, and a third proportionate to how deep the clients pockets are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 67 @ 0.00236 = 0.1581 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: davout: meanwhile, dotcoin is getting buttraepd << schweetest news today
davout: well, he's in "scheduled maintenance"
davout: but somehow has forgotten to schedule an "end of maintenance" :D
davout: imma read some bitcoin news in the meantime
benkay: i can't believe you people read bitcoin news instead of wsj or something
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bitcoinpete: from that coinomat tard: "Bitcoin community can be considered a community of accredited investors after all"
bitcoinpete: this line of thinking has caused untold butthurt
bitcoinpete: and will continue to until such time as some humble pie is gobbled
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00081899 = 21.6623 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082047 = 3.2819 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
bloctoc: looking for eve online war logs to see if there is any relevance to mpoe price.
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: I was at leonard wood for a few years...theres a good reason the state is a homophone for misery. Endless days of 90-105F in the summer at 95% humidity...couldn't be worse than hell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17730 @ 0.00082047 = 14.5469 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: Tornados though, those are cool. Saw a few touch down and wreck rows of homes...i made a special effort to see it, nevar forget
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49728362 = 0.9946 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: but seriously that humidity. sucks the moisture out of your body in minutes. i normally consumed a quart of water each hour the sun was up when doin field exercises... still pissed bright yellow
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: There are enjoyable places in Missouri like Columbia, but yes the weather sucks through the whole state.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00410053 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49799957 BTC [+]
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assbot: /hashtag/darkcoin?src=hash frozen on both cryptsy & mintpal, once fork issue is fixed price should rally again so don't worry and HOLD.
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mircea_popescu: lol. the interwebs are just dubious, tis not jupiter tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> even the clit, which is aggravating even when the stars are aligned << wait what ? the C.L.I.T. ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "we are the masters of the clit. i made that shit work"
mircea_popescu: <bloctoc> looking for eve online war logs to see if there is any relevance to mpoe price. << now that's diggin' deep.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, "The Ebay/Paypal breech" you mean braach ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You do your own sleep studies?
bloctoc: mircea_popescu I'm not looking for statistical significance or anything, just wanted to see if a biggish price drop happened after a big battle was lost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00081623 = 5.2647 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: 1BTC never really gamed that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.000815 = 1.1818 BTC [-]
bloctoc: don't answer that wussies thing. I vow to stop trolling
bloctoc: but it sounds like 1BTC doesn't affect the price of mpoe?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to get the client installed again, might be a while
BingoBoingo: I have to say shares of 1BTC were one of my better investing decisions.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 155 @ 0.00250926 = 0.3889 BTC [+]