mircea_popescu: <pankkake> the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost << this is kind-of the birth of dragons.

mircea_popescu: people who dealt in thousands are going to be quite uninterested in helping idiots misplace their half bitcent

mircea_popescu: in this sense people don't use ebay because people sending them 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of all usd won't make them significantly richer

mircea_popescu: you're thinking like a dragon.

mircea_popescu: " helping idiots misplace their half bitcent"

mircea_popescu: well otherwise, what exatly are the fixed costs to scamming ?

mircea_popescu: or weren't you really referring to what ThickAsThieves was saying ?

mircea_popescu: lol irc, it happens.

mircea_popescu: pankkake wha was that ?

mircea_popescu: that cryptsy thing looks exactly as retarded as if burnside had come back from the dead.

mircea_popescu: is it his ?

mircea_popescu: https://www.cryptsy.com/pages/jobs ahahah best jobs section yet.

mircea_popescu: where you get to "hiring lawyers, with a degree or comparable experience and attention to detail" it becomes quite hilarious.

mircea_popescu: perhaps they also sew footballs.

mircea_popescu: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4359 << generally a good read for eager minds and benkay.

mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84995

mircea_popescu: dude! they gave up!

mircea_popescu: this loss for bitcoin retardedness shall never be bridged.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4886026#msg4886026

mircea_popescu: countdown to joffrey headexplosion in 3..2...

mircea_popescu: skippin' an' scrappin'

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: clojure is a thing now ?!

mircea_popescu: (o(k))

mircea_popescu: ahahaha automated conversions to lisp are the tits.

mircea_popescu: benkay wd

mircea_popescu: heh half my trilema errorlog is full of that

mircea_popescu: kidz be haxing into the credits yo

mircea_popescu: right

mircea_popescu: it actually worked great because ppl bought huge

mircea_popescu: then i dun recall what stupid sidestep they did and ppl panicked

mircea_popescu: sold into my lowball buys

mircea_popescu: was like a week the whole thing

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pankkake seems atc has a quite solid bottom in nao.

mircea_popescu: and it didn't even cost me that much btc

mircea_popescu: lolz.

mircea_popescu: benkay they drug me into it.

mircea_popescu: so help you.

mircea_popescu: wait, what did i offer ?

mircea_popescu: lol so lend me a btc.

mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

mircea_popescu: also bear in mind it's a scam as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103

mircea_popescu: because of all the arguments.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i think it'll be much more interesting in 1-2 monmths, that thing

mircea_popescu: benkay i was just dicking around lol

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nope. alos, cron does wonders

mircea_popescu: wtf

mircea_popescu: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has not been recorded because shit.

mircea_popescu: why ?

mircea_popescu: i never really looked into it

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids> right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, <<

mircea_popescu: jurov so are you now running coinroll ?

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: imo "crowdfunding" as in, kickfunder etc is a fad not unlike social media.

mircea_popescu: then again, i'm the god of bias.

mircea_popescu: yeah, interesting to me too. in the following sense : a londoner goes to the country, and upon hearing a goose meow he expresses his astonishment : listen to the cock neigh!

mircea_popescu: anyway. bad ideas being funded is a serious problem for any society.

mircea_popescu: but bitcloud has bit and cloud

mircea_popescu: you understand nothing

mircea_popescu: actually, did moldbug&co ever manage to stop urbit from crashing ?

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids something you may know, but this is hindering you from seeing the true pure beauty of Bit and Cloud!

mircea_popescu: if you had done nothing but reddit, retardopedia and lesssex for the past two decades...

mircea_popescu: benkay so how long has it been online currently ?

mircea_popescu: ok, did it crash in the current month ?

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/

mircea_popescu: yes.

mircea_popescu: what;'s wrong with it ?

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ << see here herbijudlestoids, avoid such surprises.

mircea_popescu: it's actually mike's blog.

mircea_popescu: hehehe

mircea_popescu: i linked him earlier iirc

mircea_popescu: one of the things i enjoy most about bitcoin is all the shit people don't know. ot

mircea_popescu: it's like... :D

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: Vexual at the rate benkay is posting on that cascade of his, the cheatsheet will need a flatbed truck.

mircea_popescu: also, benkay baby, more naked girl / dressed pitbull pics. you've lernered nothing off trilema ?

mircea_popescu: all i have is like these altcoins

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids did you see all the failed darknet drug marketplaces btw ?

mircea_popescu: speaking of php. the stuff had me in a state of ptss for a few hours

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 < ☝︎

mircea_popescu: lay it on us Apocalyptic

mircea_popescu: anything specific about this i2p thing ?

mircea_popescu: no, Apocalyptic

mircea_popescu: why not ?

mircea_popescu: i thought he was with elvis

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know, this entire generation of twentyspomething fuckups strictly exists because we keep presuming.

mircea_popescu: exactly these types of presumtpions. they're like some mutant cockroaches which have somehow adapted to live in the cracks of this presumption.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you can bet no such thing.

mircea_popescu: you know, no ammount of salmon being eaten by bears makes the salmon wear fucking german ww1 helmets.

mircea_popescu: they just take their chances. they survive by schooling.

mircea_popescu: that's your us druggies.

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know that's the exact link i gave you earlier in the logs :D

mircea_popescu: but yes. freedom = no barrier to entry = chaos. nttawwt.

mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 < ☝︎

mircea_popescu: why would you be in the us ?

mircea_popescu: herp.

mircea_popescu: 1. nsa is nowhere near as competent as they'd like you believe

mircea_popescu: 2. most jurisdictions couldn't give less of a shit about the us and its problems.

mircea_popescu: the idea is to implement technically sound solutions. this means god himself can not de-anon your server.

mircea_popescu: if you can't do that, you've got little business doing it in the first place.

mircea_popescu: it'd be like bitcoin relying not on chain but on people being nice to each other.

mircea_popescu: except they have a list of things to do

mircea_popescu: and a list of people that can do it.

mircea_popescu: and the worst morale in the history of secret servicing.

mircea_popescu: now... the 2nd list is always shorter.

mircea_popescu: and so... no. they don't have the resources to anytihng.

mircea_popescu: besides, the nsa is dead. the us is scrambling to create a new, actually secret replacement, while pretending nsa is still a thing.

mircea_popescu: that puts further pressure on the manpower available.

mircea_popescu: you work in hosting, right ? how many competent sysadmins are there, that you can actually motivate to do the job ?

mircea_popescu: and how many jobs need doing ?

mircea_popescu: so then what do you think, the problem eases as you go up ?

mircea_popescu: it doesn't ease. it aggravates.

mircea_popescu: what particular sector ? it's the same all through. how many db experts are there ?

mircea_popescu: what atm ? it's been the case since 1960.

mircea_popescu: smart people are few and far between. things they can do are the grass o nthe fields. monstrous socialist regimes have this problem compounded by the fact that they're only popular with idiots.

mircea_popescu: the us may hire as many Fargo policewomen as it can pay.

mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if it can currently hire any ONE of the top five crackers in any field.

mircea_popescu: even if it had infinite money, which it clearly does not.

mircea_popescu: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/is-your-money-safe-at-the-bank-an-economist-says-no-and-withdraws-his/

mircea_popescu: "Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. "

mircea_popescu: this is what, amsterdamsche wisselbank

mircea_popescu: fucktards with their "let's make the world fair" as if it weren't managed to bomb us all the fucking way to the stone age.

mircea_popescu: the once glorious wester civilisation has to restart at fucking 1600 ?!

mircea_popescu: flay a libertard alive today. he's earned it. then salt the wounds and make his mother watch.

mircea_popescu: im with d.

mircea_popescu: this is just damage control anyway. most of the deposits belong to companies, which a) are legally required to keep their funds in a bank and b) are not insured anyway.

mircea_popescu: you think the cypriots had it bad... watch till it happens in the us.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bank-steals-deposit.png

mircea_popescu: that's how it looks

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ since we're on it

mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=31

mircea_popescu: glwt.

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/dOOTKA0aGI0

mircea_popescu: subterrine de gascogne

mircea_popescu: shit i got the wrong sketch

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk << i meant this one

mircea_popescu: decimation that's where the gascogne comes into play.

mircea_popescu: put a dint in the bint like you don't care...

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids have heard, yea. sort-of ripple/ot/etc

mircea_popescu: it doesn't seem like anything, tbh.

mircea_popescu: lot of hype, no actual subtance that i so far noticed.

mircea_popescu: "Here's the latest Max Keiser in which he and Stacey Herbert to a good job of explaining what I have in mind. " this sort of thing will instakill any project, for instance.

mircea_popescu: in general, a large number of fluffers are trying to scam various particular venues. there's all the dorks pretending like they have projects for the benefit of the clueless va market.

mircea_popescu: there's all the various scammers trying to peel the eager youth public

mircea_popescu: on it goes.

mircea_popescu: probably not.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/

mircea_popescu: why not ?

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/

mircea_popescu: maybe this year i cut a deal with a large bank. or maybe i buy one. or maybe next year. or who knows

mircea_popescu: i'm not even 40 yet. there's plenty of time.

mircea_popescu: haha yea i saw that. ppl were like... headshake and backing up

mircea_popescu: not particularly strong.

mircea_popescu: that you can tell the government of X irrelevant country to either adapt its enforcement to what you do or else prepare for eating treebark

mircea_popescu: like hsbc sent the usg packing

mircea_popescu: i don't need a weakling.

mircea_popescu: and on the strength of having grown from 10mn to 1bn in ayear, i can literally afford anything.

mircea_popescu: in the current situation, the only reason i conceivably could not lbo a bank with 100trn in "assets"

mircea_popescu: is that the people supposed to finance lbos are either poor or stupid.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4887312#msg4887312 << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC.

mircea_popescu: decimation obviously it'd be a complex matter.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the actual reason would be, of course, that the last thing any one government wants is me at the helm of a huge fiat bank.

mircea_popescu: they'd rather not eat all that much treebark if at all possible.

mircea_popescu: Vexual 500 dollars a year to bank there and no further fees.

mircea_popescu: tell me you wouldn't use it.

mircea_popescu: unlike the children spending their lunchbreak on bitcointalk, irl people actually have to like... you know, pay the rent and shit

mircea_popescu: yes. you'd need gpg for internet banking.

mircea_popescu: decimation well is it a bank or is it money storage ?

mircea_popescu: you could have that, i dun see why not.

mircea_popescu: course at least for psychological reasons it's prolly better to have the storage and the banking business separated.

mircea_popescu: decimation folks love to think this, story of my life.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids maybe. the problem here is this : the more choice you give people, the more fuckwited they are and the more scams you enable.

mircea_popescu: so in practice you want to either give all choice or no choice.

mircea_popescu: sorta like you can either be male or female. have to pick one.

mircea_popescu: there's no gender-ambiguous connector.

mircea_popescu: the note market is much more difficult than meets the eye.

mircea_popescu: look at that, paschi di siena is on hte pinksheets now.

mircea_popescu: maddof helped them so.

mircea_popescu: decimation you'll never be able to hire.

mircea_popescu: how do you think i'll be able to coerce herbi here to do all that legwork for your blind "classes"

mircea_popescu: when he could just as well set up shop for himself.

mircea_popescu: you still won't be able to hire.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids why do you need a bank to interface your etrade account ?

mircea_popescu: decimation not for any price youll afford to pay.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i just mean that if you want to dd on your own you can't possibly need a bank for any purpose.

mircea_popescu: decimation so then you try to "make it work" which means you push both ends and then a decade down the road your shitty officers bring about a crisis of unheard magnitude

mircea_popescu: what, you think financial top management particularly WANTED a crisis ?

mircea_popescu: Vexual yes.

mircea_popescu: that's my point. if he wants a self-service thing he doesn't need the bank to anything.

mircea_popescu: decimation you want sane business models at all times. this one you're contemplating proposes to make 10 dollar steaks out of nine meat. that leftover dollar isn't enough to hire anything but mcdonalds staff. which won't make what you want.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes. if you want to do all the work, you don't need someone to do the work for a group of "you".

mircea_popescu: if you want to cut wood and feed stoves, "town heating services" aren't useful to you.

mircea_popescu: this is the path to disaster.

mircea_popescu: it's basically the equivalent of driving a car by touch.

mircea_popescu: fun fact : loan granularity only becomes fine in systems which well handle coarse.

mircea_popescu: if you need fineness as an input your system is thereby aborted.

mircea_popescu: this is kind of the general point here : you ignore workload at your peril. sooner or later it will punish you.

mircea_popescu: the later the worse.

mircea_popescu: sadly there is no such thing as a "verifiable true financial"

mircea_popescu: decimation something like that. you're basically saying "it should be done", like a govt.

mircea_popescu: well... that's fine but it doesn't actually work.

mircea_popescu: you know how they pass laws going "nothing in the foregoing should be construed as doing X" ?

mircea_popescu: that's wishful thinking in a bowstring. what the fuck.

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: "nothing i do now should be construed as rape" *pow* *smack* *riiiip*

mircea_popescu: they won't stauy explicit and clear

mircea_popescu: everyone involved has a definite interest to muddy them

mircea_popescu: because your model fundamentally doesn't work, and so they're all stuck

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 omg context

mircea_popescu: be ashamed. you've even broken the rules nao.

mircea_popescu: i don't have a fully polished, drop-in alternative in any sense.

mircea_popescu: what's worse, i doubt there can actually be an alternative to toughening the agents the fuck up.

mircea_popescu: i've been measuring it across the board, you've perhaps seen the tail ends of ti

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0;all etc

mircea_popescu: in general, the problem is vast. the day your average us citizen has decided that politics is a problem that other people should solve for him, so he can focus on w/e his job is

mircea_popescu: that day politics got fucked irretrievably.

mircea_popescu: yet people don't generally want to nor generally can be renaissance complete personalities.

mircea_popescu: well, the same is true of everything.

mircea_popescu: the day you quit cleanning your house it will cease to be clean.

mircea_popescu: the day you decide your financial security is "to be" ensured by nebulous third parties...

mircea_popescu: guesswhat.

mircea_popescu: they may be experts, but they aren't you.

mircea_popescu: if you never talk to your girlfriend

mircea_popescu: ever

mircea_popescu: she will eventually quit you.

mircea_popescu: see ? this seems to be a rather universal rule.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids s/talk/communicate/

mircea_popescu: well more like... you know... what alternative shall i have, woe unto me. i dun see one, other than lieing it you

mircea_popescu: (dun worry baby it'll all be alright)

mircea_popescu: yes, but apparently you won't have classes, and be happy inferiors of some selected caste of masters.

mircea_popescu: this makes such lie impopssible.

mircea_popescu: the original observation, however, to wit that politics has very quickly diminishing marginal returns, and in general you don't need more than 100 men involved in it in any case, is sound.

mircea_popescu: (fun fact : 50% of all wealth today is owned by 97 people, i hear)

mircea_popescu: research it, im curious if it can be confirmed

mircea_popescu: 1% own 40%, according to the un.

mircea_popescu: i guess it depends on how conspiracy-minded the approach is.

mircea_popescu: yeah, of which 69`999`923 people do banking with a select few :)

mircea_popescu: so in the end...

mircea_popescu: methinks i was forcing a point.

mircea_popescu: ownership is a muddled thing anyway. so you own your house. you can't set it on fire. you can't dig a hole in the livingroom. etc.

mircea_popescu: decimation you know what a house mother is ?

mircea_popescu: no.

mircea_popescu: heterosexual couples ended up doing cellular families, somehow, for some reason.

mircea_popescu: at least in the english world.

mircea_popescu: gay people however, tend[ed] to live in groups

mircea_popescu: also other opressed groups (entertainers, especially sex workers, for instace ; drug users definitely)

mircea_popescu: much like average people going out to drink have a designated driver, these cvasi-familial arrangements have a house mother

mircea_popescu: who is the sort of... well.. landgrave, technically.

mircea_popescu: resolves "whose hairbrush it really is" disputes

mircea_popescu: in most large towns cops reflexively seek him out in any conflict

mircea_popescu: this meanwhile has expanded to college aged kids, who are in fact an opressed group by now.

mircea_popescu: not deliberately, just, they're too fucking dumb and uninformed to survive in the world as it is.

mircea_popescu: and so slowly the model spreads

mircea_popescu: there's your landgrave.

mircea_popescu: so in the end, the future looks like, two to six slaves living i nthe care of one master, who gets in the wot and tries to make sense of whether mp or x or y is more sensible to keep his house's money.

mircea_popescu: sorta mini-tribal.

mircea_popescu: in the end, this all yields a richer conenctivity in society,

mircea_popescu: and it's a well known fact that the more connected model always emerges victorious.

mircea_popescu: which is fundamentally why england conquered scotland rather than the other way around

mircea_popescu: even though it was a scottish king who did the union

mircea_popescu: i woudln't call this collectivism tho.

mircea_popescu: possibly because the term is in my mind strictly related to stalin.

mircea_popescu: is this hbd supposed to be "sanity ready to fight spurious accusations of racism" ?

mircea_popescu: https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/individualism-collectivism-hofstede.jpg?w=460

mircea_popescu: no seriously ? can i lol yet ?

mircea_popescu: the us is under 50.

mircea_popescu: "remember that it’s the individualists who seem to work together best towards the collective — the BIG collective — society as a whole — a nation, for instance. meanwhile, the “collectivists” (as hofstede calls them) — or the clannish groups (as i call them) — don’t manage to handle, or even to create, commonweals hardly at all."

mircea_popescu: this is really very naive 1930s whig anthropology.

mircea_popescu: for one thing, the clannish groups don't actually need the large constructs like the alienated individuals do.

mircea_popescu: but anyway.

mircea_popescu: yea srsly.

mircea_popescu: apparently mcd is taking advantage of the aussies' polyglot nature.

mircea_popescu: https://mcdonalds.com.au/menu/amore-big-mac-meal

mircea_popescu: no, as in take the gf. you eat the big hoovespaste thing, she eats the small one

mircea_popescu: then you fight on the apple pie

mircea_popescu: what do these things cost anymore ?

mircea_popescu: is that thing like 20 dollars ?

mircea_popescu: i was just idly curious

mircea_popescu: last time i ate in a popular joint i left like 40 dollars there iirc.

mircea_popescu: this being, of course, romania, where labour an' materials are cheap

mircea_popescu: i never had one.

mircea_popescu: last burger i had was at some irish restaurant in boston. i ate it with a knife and fork, much to the waitstaff's delight

mircea_popescu: (all the chicks came one by one to discreetly check me out)

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/tandoori-mousaka/

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/how-to-sandwich-like-a-badass/ http://trilema.com/2012/pilaf/ etc

mircea_popescu: my blog is like an exhaustive mp compendium

mircea_popescu: haha sokay, they'll wait

mircea_popescu: Vexual no, i eat girls.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/sauerbraten/

mircea_popescu: actually, wow there's a ton of shit. http://trilema.com/2012/martipan/ http://trilema.com/2012/nsfw-cum-gatim-curcan/ http://trilema.com/rata-pe-varza-umpluta-cu-legume http://trilema.com/sa-carabanim-un-crab http://trilema.com/ce-mincam-vara http://trilema.com/paste-n-sos-de-rosii http://trilema.com/2011/sugestie-de-prezentare/ and finally : http://trilema.com/2012/o-mina-priceputa-acum-cu-ilustratii/

mircea_popescu: there's like... 500`000 trillion apparently.

mircea_popescu: Vexual which one ?

mircea_popescu: ah the sauerbraten. upper leg.

mircea_popescu: Tot in practica eu n-o marinez in otet, cum e ideea nemteasca, ci-n vin, ceva rosu (in imagine dinsus aveti un cupaj de Merlot / Pinot Noir de la Recas. Daca nu sunteti alcolisti ca si mine puteti folosi lapte batut, am mincat o data facuta asa de austriece miini, fu delicioasa. (Si, si).

mircea_popescu: also in practice, i don't use vinegar, like the germans, i use wine, something red (depicted above, merlot/pinot noir from recas)

mircea_popescu: if you're not alcoholics like me you can use buttermilk, i had it once made by austrian hands, it was delicious (both)

mircea_popescu: lotta mouths to feed.

mircea_popescu: yeah

mircea_popescu: or clay dutch oven

mircea_popescu: nah

mircea_popescu: too much hassle to improvise useful fires when you got an oven and everything

mircea_popescu: :p

mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/85351720c79eb5e87ef5429a7b5c73be/tumblr_mhyfurBsTJ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: there. double cheezburgers, an' goodnite.

mircea_popescu: so since pretty much anyone here has a better knowledge of webstuff than i do, here's a question :

mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you're going to do a site with accounts, which people can log in over http (stupid as this may be)

mircea_popescu: wouldn't the best practice be, that upon user registration you generate a user salt and a nonce, send these as a hashed cookie,

mircea_popescu: and upon each subsequent login you a) check if the user has the old cookie ; b) hash the salt, store it, increment the nonce, store it ; c) send a new cookie

mircea_popescu: if your salt+nonce -> cookie process is deterministic you can even verify it's the same actual user to any arbitrary degree of fineness (such as, same ip) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: the question being, is anyone currently doing this ?

mircea_popescu: (obviously in this case by "login" i mean, any http request to your server at all)

mircea_popescu: buna sa-ti fie inima, straine.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids those same people said to you http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#472180 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: haha

mircea_popescu: "este straină"

mircea_popescu: but otherwise wd.

mircea_popescu: anywya : hi in romanian is, to this day, "buna ziua", ie good day.

mircea_popescu: the ancientest response to this is "may your heart be good, stranger"

mircea_popescu: used liberally cca... 1700

mircea_popescu: romania had been bordering on an arabic invasion of the western world all through the middle ages.

mircea_popescu: for instance the town i live in, has been sieged by the turks and by the germans about 18 times, switching sides like 7

mircea_popescu: because it controls the only easy access into the west from constantinople.

mircea_popescu: bismallah being one ?

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids srsly, blogspot ? why such evil ;/

mircea_popescu: hahaha

mircea_popescu: dancing ?

mircea_popescu: you know, all that grammar truffles doesn't know.

mircea_popescu: i know it >D

mircea_popescu: amusingly, it reads like a square with f0f0 written in it, which'd be a short form of a romanian euphemism for... cunt, of course

mircea_popescu: fofoloanca.

mircea_popescu: maybe it's really fdfd and im just being freudian

mircea_popescu: pankkake so then this'd be beyond my comprehension. why in the fuck ?

mircea_popescu: obviously you have to chain cookies if you're using that retarded method of keeping track of user state.

mircea_popescu: what are you, an aluminum siding salesman ?!

mircea_popescu: (guy walks into a girlscout cookie clambake. as the festivities progress he keeps getting more and more excited

mircea_popescu: eventually he asks a supervisor : so when do you skewer their meatflaps already ?)

mircea_popescu: KRS- what'd be the problem ?

mircea_popescu: pankkake so is the session cookie changed on each pageload ?

mircea_popescu: KRS- inasmuch as they all run your code they all know about the cookie.

mircea_popescu: pankkake well that's fucktarded.

mircea_popescu: why so much derp ;/

mircea_popescu: very poor man.

mircea_popescu: today we learn nubbins` doth not read the logs

mircea_popescu: pankkake too late, ima post it.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` that korea story reminds me of playing old z80 games

mircea_popescu: "please look in your manual to continue moving larry around the lounge"

mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> seems like rubber bands and paperclips << it's fucking stateful http. It WOULD be.

mircea_popescu: why is consistent trading volume surprising ?

mircea_popescu: water4ll yes, the fact that mpex is a respectable exchange makes it have consistent volume

mircea_popescu: unlike all the scamexchanges to date.

mircea_popescu: what in there is surprising ?

mircea_popescu: Feb 02 05:05:26 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 588 @ 0.00093125 = 0.5476 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: it happens, but apparently not too often.

mircea_popescu: water4ll listen, there's a difference between "i don't want X to be true and therefore i'll say things" and "X is surprising".

mircea_popescu: wow you still struggling with that ?!

mircea_popescu: poor jurov lol

mircea_popescu: now that's an idea

mircea_popescu: prolly best advertised on forum tho

mircea_popescu: why would theyu right ?

mircea_popescu: like that jimmothy fellow. "ingore everything that's said, quote wikipedia"

mircea_popescu: anyway, http://trilema.com/2014/your-cookies-are-borkt-seriously/ if anyone would like to critique.

mircea_popescu: been averaging 1-2 in 2013.

mircea_popescu: bout where it is, 30-60 a month.

mircea_popescu: lol you think that's wow, talk to benkay. i think he's done thirty this week.

mircea_popescu: to quote george for you, "They're men with jobs, Jerry! ... They're married, they have secretaries."

mircea_popescu: that sounds like the clap not a cookie.

mircea_popescu: oh

mircea_popescu: so is psylon a french bank ?

mircea_popescu: that's nice, had too much quite in there anyway. check it ?

mircea_popescu: why, because i'm doing fifty things that;s why.

mircea_popescu: be glad i don't accidentally insert nudes in rndom tech articles or something.

mircea_popescu: "it too :)" alligns with "probably" on the next line in my view. so i just read over krs and thus it formed one line.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: you can't have that unless you post a pic with a bunch of junk metal all over your head.

mircea_popescu: sorry man. can't share it without the pic.

mircea_popescu: that's what he said.

mircea_popescu: you're a pregnant woman.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/lectie-comasata-atit-de-decadentism-cit-si-de-bogatie-de-lux/ the shit i find. champagne float.

mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

mircea_popescu: or go mine some ATC and trade it for BTC to buy Trilema credits with

mircea_popescu: a crypto economy!

mircea_popescu: i've only come here recently. i was in cr/central america for a few years.

mircea_popescu: the us before that, etc.

mircea_popescu: how old were they ?

mircea_popescu: were they poor ? were they married ?

mircea_popescu: in short : why should it be surprising that socially and sexually unattached young males wish to travel ? of course they would, if they're healthy.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla waitwut ?

mircea_popescu: water4ll that's travel.

mircea_popescu: snow ?

mircea_popescu: you don't deserve it.

mircea_popescu: you got snow right ? whatcha mean no water.

mircea_popescu: take girl out, remove bra, put snow on her, obtain water from the titties.

mircea_popescu: better than water from the pipes.

mircea_popescu: jesus.

mircea_popescu: listen, come over.

mircea_popescu: well i can't teleport you

mircea_popescu: there's no power there.

mircea_popescu: exercise 1 hr, irc 5 minutes

mircea_popescu: a week later, kako looks like peyton manning

mircea_popescu: the best part of any frog.

mircea_popescu: http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/Thousands+without+electricity+Slovenia+weather+also+causes/9459657/story.html

mircea_popescu: pic looks good.

mircea_popescu: yeah well, some people got shit to do.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla think about it tho. here everything's fine, snow is melting. you can see the ground.

mircea_popescu: sucks to drive for a few hours but what if you're stuck there for 2 weeks

mircea_popescu: apparently railroads are blocked too

mircea_popescu: serbia can't move into hungary etc

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what they mean is "notes are used to either send to consumers which sell us burned/destroyed paper money, or else to banks or other institutions that have the authority to remove paper from circulation"

mircea_popescu: but reporter can't write.

mircea_popescu: yeah, great indeed.

mircea_popescu: no.

mircea_popescu: they ceased publishing the m3 in 2005

mircea_popescu: becase "it wasn't interesting"

mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the only time i heard someone in this channel wanting some sort of info from the usg

mircea_popescu: it was you wanting the m3 above.

mircea_popescu: people understand all too well they do not wish to understand this if they wish to continue whatever it is they're doing.

mircea_popescu: so... no.

mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say, glwt but it ain't happening/

mircea_popescu: that's why family is best organised as slaves in a harem

mircea_popescu: you tell them what to do and are done with it.

mircea_popescu: with ppl as they are, even picking a fucking place to eat takes tw odays.

mircea_popescu: by the time you explain the situation to them you could have made more money than their aggregate savings by just... working.

mircea_popescu: like, doing something useful. which explaining stuff to idiots rarely is.

mircea_popescu: dude, you just yell "on your knees" and everyone is on their knees.

mircea_popescu: makes things so fucking easy.

mircea_popescu: chetty actually, banks came up with clown&baloon patterns for the back of cheques, i wonder how long till your actual bank statment is in pictures

mircea_popescu: numbers being racist and all.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there are in fact vastly different ways to ACCOUNT.

mircea_popescu: "Those assets that he had, they were in fact somehow valued. On one approach to valuation, they came out X. On another approach to valuation, they came out Y. There’s little convergence between the series of Xs and Ys."

mircea_popescu: you don't.

mircea_popescu: how do you sort out what the word "it" means, ignoring outside inflations ?

mircea_popescu: the reason pure mercantilist views are derided by ws today is sound tho.

mircea_popescu: you're trying to live in 1700, which doesn't work.

mircea_popescu: the us dollar is a negotiable credit instrument, like any paper. it does not have this "fixed" value you wish toassign it.

mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't form that stance.

mircea_popescu: and if you could, i could write a bot to exploit your currency and make me rich

mircea_popescu: rendering your statement false in the process.

mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is largely what soros vs bank of england was all about)

mircea_popescu: that implies that the exchange value of a negotiable instrument is only known after the negotiation completes.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/

mircea_popescu: "The problem inflationary currency bestows upon capital allocators is insolvable. They are given money of no certain value (pretty much the only sure thing about the paper currency is that it is, literally, burning in your hands, it ticks away like a bomb, it blows in the wind like dust - all this while you’re holding it) and have to do something with it. They always, always, always, absolutely always have more than

mircea_popescu: is in fact needed."

mircea_popescu: that "no certain value" is in there for a reason.

mircea_popescu: myeah.

mircea_popescu: which is why normals can't make exchanges, or ipos, or etc.

mircea_popescu: nor can they understand WHY is it that you won't let them.

mircea_popescu: obviously, it's because scam and racist.

mircea_popescu: if you think about it, that's the stable game-theoretic solution.

mircea_popescu: what should your server do with requests it doesn't comprehend ? a. drop them b. anything else.

mircea_popescu: well it'd better not be enough of a whore to do anything any user tells it.

mircea_popescu: ideally it's your slave, as you have the ssh

mircea_popescu: iirc jurov was trying some experiments with giving anon users root on the box or something

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually postel's is great for the web. it's just that the web is NOT great for "anything"

mircea_popescu: and that's what the fucktarded altchainers have been doing to the internet, try to make everything out of web

mircea_popescu: just like some insane dood at your favourite eatery, where you once had some marzipan and like it.

mircea_popescu: next time you visit it's all like "yo dawg! i hear yu like marzipan so now I made everything out of marzipan!

mircea_popescu: like... the steak. the milk. YOUR CHAIR"

mircea_popescu: make everything out of web, make everything out of blockchains, make everything out of etc.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a web-ish sort of situation.

mircea_popescu: basically, <KRS-> has it : people actually want to be told

mircea_popescu: nah, a model where 90% of the population trusts 10% in chunks of ~10 individuals, and then in turn and hten in turn

mircea_popescu: is pretty much the most stable thing in nature.

mircea_popescu: you need about a dozen or so tiers and you're golden.

mircea_popescu: the problem we have now is with the nationalist state of napoleon (and the us which is really just a pale copy) having successfully attacked this natural wot

mircea_popescu: with the result of 99.99999% trusting 0.00001%

mircea_popescu: with just one tier you're fucked.

mircea_popescu: it's a self-limiting condition.

mircea_popescu: and teh time's tick tock.

mircea_popescu: my read of history shows it is, yes.

mircea_popescu: game theory indicates it is, too

mircea_popescu: the nation model only emerges in situations where "the right thing" is plainly obvious

mircea_popescu: these are necessarily limited in time and exceptional.

mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?

mircea_popescu: but look : ten people in boondocks, new jersey somewhere who heard of bitcoin are tier 1

mircea_popescu: they all know this guy down the street, and trust him cause he's cool

mircea_popescu: he's tier 2.

mircea_popescu: he knows of the wot, and keeps deals with some other people so he can buy/sell btc for his friends at home

mircea_popescu: there

mircea_popescu: 's a guy that knows the mall and escrows for them

mircea_popescu: that guy is tier 3

mircea_popescu: these guys kind-of know each other

mircea_popescu: then one day mp wants to pay a girl in boondock, nj to wash his car with her tits

mircea_popescu: and the tier 3 guy goes "you know... you reall don't need to escrow mp

mircea_popescu: im not making it up in that this has in fact happened.

mircea_popescu: what'd be the inevitable ThickAsThieves ?

mircea_popescu: i jus' don't see how this follows.

mircea_popescu: go into detail.

mircea_popescu: um

mircea_popescu: this doesn't seem to have anything to do with what i was saying

mircea_popescu: not really.

mircea_popescu: do your beer mates try to trick you into paying for their beer ?

mircea_popescu: right. parft of the definition of even beeing your mates

mircea_popescu: if they do you ditch them and get better ones.

mircea_popescu: now, suppose i need to evaluate 10mn beer drinkers.

mircea_popescu: can i do this ? how ?

mircea_popescu: simple : i ask all the people who know people who pay beer tabs.

mircea_popescu: 3 tiers.

mircea_popescu: this is how i find women, incidentally. i don't go into bars.

mircea_popescu: i just know girls that know girls that know girls.

mircea_popescu: seems so.

mircea_popescu: it's more than trust, tho. it's about control.

mircea_popescu: what people in your wot say controls what you do.

mircea_popescu: which makes the wot a distributed political system

mircea_popescu: it's just that "distributed" does not mean one to many, as the nationalist representation of bork would have it.

mircea_popescu: it means few to one which groups in few to one which groups in few to one etc.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if YOU vote the wrong guy YOU are screwed.

mircea_popescu: this is kind-of the gist of the old mpoe-pr post re personal responsibility

mircea_popescu: "if all idiots vote in the wot like it is a nationalistic election, you will get a wot that works like your fucking country"

mircea_popescu: we do?

mircea_popescu: this is not on my list. quote!

mircea_popescu: but this is an interfacing problem, not a deflation problem

mircea_popescu: you'd have the same difficulties if you landed in zimbabwe with a trunk full of dollars :

mircea_popescu: you can't "invest" in zimbabwe until their failrency settles down

mircea_popescu: there is no deflation caught in that discussion at all.

mircea_popescu: it's just the fiat bubble bursting.

mircea_popescu: in the sense jumping out of a plane and having a piano fall on you yield the same result.

mircea_popescu: it's just that parachutes do little to protect you from falling objects.

mircea_popescu: when the fiat bubble is gone we will actually deflate, but the effects of THAT are not judgeable by this.

mircea_popescu: besides, bitcoin is hugely inflationary.

mircea_popescu: much more so that fiat CLAIMS to be

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/

mircea_popescu: see there, para I

mircea_popescu: yeah.

mircea_popescu: what am i, mafalda ?

mircea_popescu: hmm apparently this doesn't convert to english

mircea_popescu: anyway, mafalda was a late 1800s famous seer

mircea_popescu: https://blogideologic.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/mafalda-in-cultura-populara-a-romanilor/

mircea_popescu: it's an actual historical person.

mircea_popescu: because they read trilema.

mircea_popescu: why do you think hoarding would be a problem ?

mircea_popescu: let's do the following mental experiment.

mircea_popescu: suppose the original satoshi prototype only had 2.1mn total bitcoin, and original block reward was 5 btc.

mircea_popescu: what, if anything, do you think'd be different today ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: now, imagine a different situation, in which 18.9 mn bitcoins have been hoarded.

mircea_popescu: why would things be different ?

mircea_popescu: strictly because those 18.9 mn coins COULD BE SPENT. but if they're spent... they're no longer hoarded.

mircea_popescu: hoarding is self limiting. you either hoard or matter.

mircea_popescu: yes. it does.

mircea_popescu: guess what ? intense volatility hurts large holders most.

mircea_popescu: yet another point of elegant beauty typical of satoshi designs.

mircea_popescu: definitely intelligent design at work here.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which part you mean ?

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: but it is in fact the people hoarding that have least interest to see this happen.

mircea_popescu: the incentives are correctly alligned, which is the absolute most you can say of any system

mircea_popescu: notrly.

mircea_popescu: money perverts.

mircea_popescu: you can go into it thinking anything you wish

mircea_popescu: you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.

mircea_popescu: this is me doing the ny jew hand gesture.

mircea_popescu: and can't have sex as value without trying to hump vaguely calf-shaped electricity poles.

mircea_popescu: or perhaps...

mircea_popescu: anyway, take the nsa satoshi hypothesis. so the nsa spent 5mn making this thing, which we all embraced. as part of that expenditure it has premined 10mn BTC, which it kept, secretly. we don't know. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash" ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: "we don't have 10bn in the budget. application denied."

mircea_popescu: bitcoin, even should it have made by nsa, has actually taken it over.

mircea_popescu: win.

mircea_popescu: there's no way to ensure it won't be tat taking it over, with his own version.

mircea_popescu: that's the problem here. bitcoin selects for and promotes some very narrow, specified things.

mircea_popescu: and it doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

mircea_popescu: for real, this time.

mircea_popescu: (generally, the old adage goes, careful what you claim for yourself, you might live to meet it)

mircea_popescu: ya but i like mine better.

mircea_popescu: a bank could od a very respectable coin.

mircea_popescu: problem is, it'd need diametric's hr. which they dont have.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it wouldn't have to be an us bank.

mircea_popescu: fun fact : at the time the amsterdam bank rose to prominence, the thing that propelled it was its marginality

mircea_popescu: specifically, small countries had problems with their clipped/worn currency

mircea_popescu: in general, a small outlier could take over the entire world economy by doing something smart like this.

mircea_popescu: no. like getting the ok of someone in the space with enough authortiy to ok it.

mircea_popescu: problem being, of course, the space is full of fakers, and otherwise insanely expensive.

mircea_popescu: one of those "pay through the nose or waste your money" sort of situations which institutions handle so poorly.

mircea_popescu: lol i wonder what on

mircea_popescu: a

mircea_popescu: aww

mircea_popescu: he was better in flawless.

mircea_popescu: wtf is capote.

mircea_popescu: waithat ?!

mircea_popescu: lol 2012

mircea_popescu: can't believe that chick's been building the snark since two years ago, and yet last month's noobs still "ambush" her

mircea_popescu: Feb 01 16:41:24 <ThickAsThieves>getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks" << did you ?

mircea_popescu: becayuse theyre still on neh ?

mircea_popescu: $vwap X.IDIFF.JUN

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: well, they are.

mircea_popescu: jesus yeah, there was a distinct set that died horribly. ie, with the mm taking it up the ass.

mircea_popescu: see, you're adding value already.

mircea_popescu: now go make a post.

mircea_popescu: i don't remember.

mircea_popescu: (dude this is so cool, i'ma do a series of i don't remember / i don't recall and be just like a real banker nao!)

mircea_popescu: benkay seriously tho, im pretty sure it was in a mpoe report. prolly died summer 2013 ?

mircea_popescu: more sense than learning spanish to talk to the maid.

mircea_popescu: ```` as long as he doesn't distribute it...

mircea_popescu: i met both

mircea_popescu: my mother learned greek to read kavafis

mircea_popescu: so summer indeed. wrong year, but hey.

mircea_popescu: now rant at her about high finance

mircea_popescu: as if that makes it ok "no but honey til!"

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/429668252810100737 << ThickAsThieves

mircea_popescu: basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: most nobody even noticed, or cared. except for the finest tuned of watchdogs or w/e

mircea_popescu: well yes.

mircea_popescu: "There are more transactions of the cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, although it is only worth a tiny fraction of Bitcoin."

mircea_popescu: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/blog/2014/01/29/blog-dogecoins-message-chinese-investor-wolong

mircea_popescu: it's quite clear if you do aggregate counting.

mircea_popescu: they are attacking bitcoin. perhaps in the manner an ant attacks a rhino, but nevertheless. as far as the ant is concerned, in its own system of representations, that's what's going on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469653 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: ant will kill rhino, skin it, wear the skin as king of the jungle.

mircea_popescu: because if you get more fuckwits to retweet your inane shit you will thus therefore be "bigger" and "more important" than people with fewer retweets.

mircea_popescu: it's web start-up brain rot, quite typical.

mircea_popescu: in principle, every circlejerk imagines itself "the only thing out there". like, the us thinks it's "the world". any us court thinks it has universal jurisdiction. any us politician thinks that his decisions matter universally.

mircea_popescu: the va circus, as hopelessly fucked as they are, imagine that "all entrepreneurship" is... well... them.

mircea_popescu: that they will be crushed by much larger things that exist independent of their knowledge or understanding is about as aliento them as mpex customers to jimmothey

mircea_popescu: so basically what we have here, is "everyone" in the sense of "everyone that goes to tech conferences in SF and reads techcrunch religiously" figures they can take over this novel idea.

mircea_popescu: ;;google ycombinator jointly and severally

mircea_popescu: there you go.

mircea_popescu: anyway. an attack it is.

mircea_popescu: ironically, while the correct move may seem to be to support ltc to crush them back into the swamp,

mircea_popescu: the actual correct move is to simply support other alternatives to burn their underbase.

mircea_popescu: you want them to eat ltc's lunch to some degree, much like you want about 50 other groups to start their own, doge-food eating bitcoin killers.

mircea_popescu: so you know... ATC/ALT getting more hash than doge serves a good purpose in the end.

mircea_popescu: (funny how nobody seems to have noticed that, too :p)

mircea_popescu: hehe. myeah.

mircea_popescu: You see dear Internet, Juraj Variny was a simple country boy... you might say a cockeyed optimist, who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.

mircea_popescu: you can never go back.

mircea_popescu: needs some slibowitz

mircea_popescu: cats do too if they can get it.

mircea_popescu: srsly, cats aren't that bad.

mircea_popescu: much like women, they autodomesticate if you're cool.

mircea_popescu: you may occasionally have to throw one out the window into traffic, but w/e

mircea_popescu: what's it cost, 200 bux tops.

mircea_popescu: pretty much.

mircea_popescu: most mistreated cats will actually also come to sanity

mircea_popescu: they're not that stupid to not be able to tell the difference, just need some time to decompress

mircea_popescu: nah, not rly.

mircea_popescu: benkay so take a kitten and raise it separately.

mircea_popescu: pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/your-cookies-are-borkt-seriously/#comment-97890

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-ianuarie-2014-statement/

mircea_popescu: he lives on a hilltop.

mircea_popescu: benkay i got news for you. the stuff that makes beer good ? it's shit, man. little craps taking a doodoo in your drink.

mircea_popescu: bread chiefly consists of other species' farts.

mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets grossout party ftw.

mircea_popescu: we;re like preteen girlies over here.

mircea_popescu: he hated on anteaters ?!

mircea_popescu: ok Chickasschivas.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mina-competenta.gif << speaking of kitty training

mircea_popescu: doh.

mircea_popescu: the thing with goat is that he's pretty much azn

mircea_popescu: he does a superficial 1st take of anything and leaves it at that.

mircea_popescu: other than that he;s just persistent. pretty much his whole strat.

mircea_popescu: it takes a particular sort of scum to actually apply it tho.

mircea_popescu: more adequate to whoring out anyway. i guess as an older guy he can't enjoy that where he is, so what's one to do.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what is the problem there anyway

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: you never know when your whim coallesces into a schelling point.

mircea_popescu: this is why satoshi ran off

mircea_popescu: he couldn't cope with responsibilities of fatherhood.

mircea_popescu: deadbeatdadscoin

mircea_popescu: ^ think about it. the coin to pay all alinomy in. utterly worthless coin everyone loves

mircea_popescu: FOR THAT REASON

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.msg4899791#msg4899791

mircea_popescu: i wonder if she just killed yet another thread or else we get epic butthurt

mircea_popescu: possibly. you'll need the original block details tho

mircea_popescu: which you should be able to have a miner dump

mircea_popescu: then i have no doubt pankake can do by hand whatever's done automatically by coingen.

mircea_popescu: which... sucks for him.

mircea_popescu: why, cause it's work.

mircea_popescu: pankkake you want to make a better coingen.io ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: with incorporated market (so all your new coins can be INSTA traded for al lothers ?)

mircea_popescu: that may actually be a revenu driver.

mircea_popescu: hard to guess, maybe a few bitcoins a month.

mircea_popescu: you can definitely sink the coingen thing, from what my research shows bluematt sold it to an idiot.

mircea_popescu: and you can blow cryptsy right out of the water, because in is wholly manned by idiots

mircea_popescu: (check out their hiring page sometime for lulz)

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ?

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic baby, can you code ?

mircea_popescu: the beauty of #bitcoin-assets. businesses just fall in your lap all the time

mircea_popescu: to the degree one can't humanly cope.

mircea_popescu: and also, benkay, you doing anything other than blogging and fucking your cat these days ?

mircea_popescu: cause a CLOJURE driven altcoin maker + exchange would be so fucking cool

mircea_popescu: nosrsly.

mircea_popescu: read the log

mircea_popescu: benkay you just put in all the work, then we list x% on mpex and people can invest.

mircea_popescu: let the market sort out the ownership structure.

mircea_popescu: a that's a point.

mircea_popescu: well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ?

mircea_popescu: blg what do you think this is, testnet btc ?

mircea_popescu: automate the windows build IN CLOJURE

mircea_popescu: come on, if this isn't sexy i dunno what is.

mircea_popescu: must has windows. this is altscams here.

mircea_popescu: nobody even knows what linux is in that subforum

mircea_popescu: coelho has warped ThickAsThieves' brain to the degree i don't know when he's paraquoting anymore.

mircea_popescu: you kidding ?

mircea_popescu: you can't buy osx ready systems on food stamps.

mircea_popescu: what's "location" ?

mircea_popescu: if he doesn't run it how exactly could he establish location

mircea_popescu: benkay altcoin-to-coin stricjtly.

mircea_popescu: we don't encourage the use of scamfiat.

mircea_popescu: definitely.

mircea_popescu: you'll be herp-ddos'd all the time too. needs a decent dedi.

mircea_popescu: go ahead

mircea_popescu: then again this could easily live in the cloud.

mircea_popescu: prolly better that way as you'll have inelastic loads lal the time

mircea_popescu: why not /

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: so they'r evirtual. what of it ? so are you. backup well, be happy.

mircea_popescu: jurov you wanna host this ?

mircea_popescu: benkay no because they can't read CLOJURE

mircea_popescu: what, are you trying to put a CLOJURE on my expression ?

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: no, this is a legitimate business angle.

mircea_popescu: we'll just os the entire thing.

mircea_popescu: get a buncha fucktarded kids try to learn clojure to make their own market thing.

mircea_popescu: epic.

mircea_popescu: so you think.

mircea_popescu: windows lips compiler ?

mircea_popescu: preferably as a python module ?

mircea_popescu: can you compile lisp in python run on linux via cygwin ?

mircea_popescu: (provided of course you use ALL CAPS in the code)

mircea_popescu: jurov you mean they could get this in phpmyadmin ?

mircea_popescu: cause that'd help, they know phpmyadmin

mircea_popescu: but all the fun aside, srsly, a foss clojure implementation of this would actually be a great thing.

mircea_popescu: Namworld im trying to give the kid a breadloaf and he;'s trying to price himself out of it.

mircea_popescu: like all business ever.

mircea_popescu: benkay all 4 are needed out of the gate.

mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i read of lisp it is very productive and should be easy if you know what you're doing so like 500 lines of code.

mircea_popescu: seeds

mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones i know bunches of ppl who freelance, right ? "plz build me a better brain. should be easy if you know what you're doing'. 90% of all projects.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basic read backwards ?

mircea_popescu: another coin, another dolla.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

mircea_popescu: and meanwhile, i invite you all to a sing-along!

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY92AE1Aj-U

mircea_popescu: yes actually

mircea_popescu: jayk a number thereof. i need an accountant for an exact count. why ?

mircea_popescu: a public btc corps, 4

mircea_popescu: not any rush

mircea_popescu: fuck i lost my drink

mircea_popescu: what is this world coming to.

mircea_popescu: well now neither do i.

mircea_popescu: and sends you a report of how much profit it made.

mircea_popescu: and an animated gif of the champagne.

mircea_popescu: it's all very virtual.

mircea_popescu: benkay iirc pankkake has.

mircea_popescu: omg ppls read the log.

mircea_popescu: jayk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475503 KRS- http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475319 ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: it is a lot of work, yes. that's part of why it's worth doing, it always pays to sink your teeth in and do a fundamental bit well than try and chew a little off the edges.

mircea_popescu: he got half the equity.

mircea_popescu: he's incentivised to have the thing running smoothly., which it has been.

mircea_popescu: and that too was a lot of work, even if not necessarily obvious immediately.

mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 yeah.

mircea_popescu: dub your c0k ?

mircea_popescu: dub but srsly, you wanna host things ?

mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 make sure to make a thread about how bitbet's been scamming users tho.

mircea_popescu: the paradox of honestly : idiots fucking up will amply report how it's all your fault. when you fuck up and you cover it... well... nobody really wants to mention it, cause w/e, kinda embarassing.

mircea_popescu: the future of stupidity!

mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 exactly.

mircea_popescu: it's all very complicated.

mircea_popescu: apparently slovenia has an issue

mircea_popescu: kako ran out of juice earlier

mircea_popescu: http://www.bertc.com/subsix/i95/images/95-30.jpg << guess the chick.

mircea_popescu: it sucks omg!

mircea_popescu: seriously, get a blog you control.

mircea_popescu: you don't want some random idiots with a "here's a link to our other stuff" on your page,

mircea_popescu: you don't want to be stuck if you want to move domains,

mircea_popescu: you don't want anyone deciding if and when to put a "warning page" on your material,

mircea_popescu: you don't want them filtering your comments, or generally,

mircea_popescu: you don't want to help google in any way whatsoever unless it's paying for it.

mircea_popescu: do your own things.

mircea_popescu: i'm never going to comment on it, for instance.

mircea_popescu: entirely possible.

mircea_popescu: all hitler needs is for ordinary people to keep using google.

mircea_popescu: nah, let them do that.

mircea_popescu: just don't help them do other things. buy ford cars, don't buy ford umbrellas.

mircea_popescu: pretty much anything beats blogspot.

mircea_popescu: pankkake see, there's the usercase

mircea_popescu: assets-blog

mircea_popescu: can you put a wordpress.com clone on the assass ?

mircea_popescu: there's a difference in evil. @mp you can scream.

mircea_popescu: the point of work is control.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: "if your daddy doesn't have a beard you have two moms"

mircea_popescu: pankkake why not ? the more you fuck up for other people the more you have reason to love them.

mircea_popescu: no, see ?

mircea_popescu: six months down the road you will be kicking yourself.

mircea_popescu: pankkake ppl can backup their own shit in wp.

mircea_popescu: KRS- + more likely than -

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids they've been dead man walking since april 2013.

mircea_popescu: other than the penny ante noobs not rly anybody still using them as best one can determine

mircea_popescu: what are you, 12?

mircea_popescu: the last thing someone does in a jurisdiction that made btc illegal is dump it

mircea_popescu: doh.

mircea_popescu: TATonawalk adding to the workload at this point is stupid. let it be simple.

mircea_popescu: KRS- dun feel too bad

mircea_popescu: not a bad idea.

mircea_popescu: this thing really gives the finger.

mircea_popescu: i mean... both pics nao

mircea_popescu: cum ruins pools ?!

mircea_popescu: o may gawd....

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids all this stuff almost makes me believe s.mpoe is not a scam after all.

mircea_popescu: i mean... it almost looks like a regular stock

mircea_popescu: nubbins` all these years...

mircea_popescu: TATonawalk you mean dafe ?

mircea_popescu: "The Counterparty Team just went ahead and wrote their own stuff, doing what Colored Coins, NxT and Mastercoin failed to do these past 6 – 9 months. Not even Ripple has assets like these issued and trading."

mircea_popescu: well at least *part* of that statement is correct.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neverhteless, the assessment that nxt, cc, mc etc did nothing the past 9 months is correct.

mircea_popescu: then again cc did nothing over 3 installments and 2+ years.

mircea_popescu: hardly any of that, either.

mircea_popescu: the thing with chump vacuuming is that creating the impression of a lot of chumps having been vacuumed already is part and parcel of the model.

mircea_popescu: sort-of like if a lion's success in catching gazelles was helped by it going around with a lot of dead gazelles.

mircea_popescu: there;d be dead gazelle lure shops for entrepreneurial lions

mircea_popescu: i can't believe someone's still expecting to be taken serious with java

mircea_popescu: waitwut

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: yourefuck.ed ?

mircea_popescu: yourefuck.edu actually. just for that lovely your e-fuck, youre fuck etc grammar splendor.

mircea_popescu: the ideal one'd be co.in of course.

mircea_popescu: i don't think we're springing for that tho

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in countries which are not slovenia : http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/42491287328

mircea_popescu: mhm

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ha!

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no, they actually believe this

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves here's the cool part : 19:24:15

mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu:

mircea_popescu: basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus. that was... bout 6 hours 20 mins ago ?

mircea_popescu: the numerous conincidences of cryptozoo.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how you mean ?

mircea_popescu: so how is this related ?

mircea_popescu: mpex spouts all sorts of crap all the time tho,

mircea_popescu: bujt the problem there seems to be that they executed crap, not that they claimed crap

mircea_popescu: making a woman is hard enough

mircea_popescu: making her also say what she means is beyond even what god can accomplish

mircea_popescu: look, we got fixed len str

mircea_popescu: jurov there's a guy that managed to get his assets transferred twice back in the old days (2012), netted like 300 btc from it.

mircea_popescu: opperator error.

mircea_popescu: "I don't see this making a difference. There are lost coins in every currency. A 10K block reward is peanuts. Any anyways, the developers could always modify this in the future if it became a problem."

mircea_popescu: gotta love all the damage control.

mircea_popescu: someone's working overtime this weekend.

mircea_popescu: actually from there seems people are coding their bots to sorta split orders over ticks huh

mircea_popescu: (i wouldn't expect any pattern, since most everyone will be trading via pympex or similar, it's trivial to just schedule w/e)

mircea_popescu: diurnal or w/e i mean

mircea_popescu: this is a point

mircea_popescu: maybe people actually suck at algos in fiat ?

mircea_popescu: ie, their algorithmia is more akin to a wheelchair than a car

mircea_popescu: alternatively, australia, japan, china, russia, iran, europe, the us... there might be some slight pattern not visible cause low sample yet.

mircea_popescu: basically what do you see in the other stuff, the pacific ocean right ?

mircea_popescu: ah

mircea_popescu: well also yeah, bitcoin doesn't realyl have "financial centers"

mircea_popescu: i doubt it'll ever have any. why would it ?

mircea_popescu: also... i suspect a large number of btc people are not-normal sleep patterned.

mircea_popescu: okay

mircea_popescu: lol bitstamp made some sense, even if kako was gonna kill you once he got his electric chair back

mircea_popescu: but bitpay ?! i dun see it in any sense.

mircea_popescu: anyway. few people if at all trade on this junkie's routine, of gotta wait for check to clear style.

mircea_popescu: generally people maintain liquidity through planning, it'd be rare that a trade has to be stayed because waiting for confirms.

mircea_popescu: it'd also be antieconomical