pete_dushenski: "The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion."
cazalla: got another retweet for the bits for tits trilema post.. this time by a bitcoin magazine for women.. ah ha, they don't even read, just retweet
cazalla: of course, i'm working on the assumption these are lefties who would be grossly offended at such an idea but you never know..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00040568 = 9.3915 BTC [+] {4}
adlai: what's this about graphing curves?
mircea_popescu: the weirdo abominable us "lefties", which are really a sort of recycled aunt pollies, yes.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, a lefty commune more likely to be nude than otherwise.
adlai: sure, i know what scytales are. but 'a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.' = ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, aren't the us lefties the type of lefties behind bitcoin wimminz day anyway
cazalla: the other leftie type being.. amir/hippy types living in a hovel engaging in drug fuelled orgies?
adlai: pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within
pete_dushenski: " the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. "
adlai: it just changes the order of the letters
pete_dushenski: adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ?
mircea_popescu: adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040817 = 4.694 BTC [+]
assbot: The fashionability of being uncompetitive. Because Reasons. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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adlai: pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column
adlai: the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged
adlai: it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing
mircea_popescu: adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment.
jurov: so what. should have used klein bottles or such.
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mircea_popescu: (the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) )
jurov: if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition
jurov: unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner
jurov: the boundary is now carnot cycle but complete pwnage
jurov: in 2009 there was only epsilon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper
mircea_popescu: crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp"
mircea_popescu: more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security.
mircea_popescu: fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes.
mircea_popescu: if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no.
adlai: the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party
adlai: shared secret generation
pete_dushenski: adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;)
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adlai: i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication
mircea_popescu: adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25936 @ 0.00040536 = 10.5134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037772 = 8.5742 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead.
mircea_popescu: they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.03812376 = 3.2405 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark.
mircea_popescu: will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing.
mircea_popescu: and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 116 @ 0.012 = 1.392 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
mircea_popescu: "The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")."
mircea_popescu: obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated AIRNow.gov". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb airnow.gov"
mircea_popescu: i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons.
mircea_popescu: the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this
mircea_popescu: it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying"
mircea_popescu: tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg.
mircea_popescu: The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 833 @ 0.012 = 9.996 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that.
mircea_popescu: so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea.
mircea_popescu: we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem.
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mircea_popescu: just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works.
mircea_popescu: your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ?
mircea_popescu: that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening.
mircea_popescu: you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat.
mircea_popescu: the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's the exact equivalent of german kids that are "anti nazi". orly ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:01:23; mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right?
mike_c: but the coins are moving. how does that work?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:00; mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly identical to bfl delivering miners, with USMS playing the role of inaba.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the onus is not on observers to explain the usg. the usg made some claims, which were in due time proven false.
mircea_popescu: sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
mircea_popescu: the blockchain is not an evidentiary record for third parties.
mircea_popescu: "The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton — who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign — significant control over limiting access to her message archives."
mircea_popescu: derp. emails still travel in plaintext, and this is the sigint we get ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:40:01; mike_c: $5 / month is rich?
mircea_popescu: she's definitely the more intellectually capable husk they got floating around. who else, jeb, bush's retarded brother/cousin/sister in law ?
mircea_popescu: the other obama is not really qualified to run kim's shoe boutique.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i seem to recall you saying something to the effect of 'old women in power are the fucking worst'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not my country, whadda i care. she's still the only not braidamaged runner so far.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys
mircea_popescu: which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu repblicans don't exactly 'have alternative', much less plural
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans
pete_dushenski: dems might take even longer shot because ya, doesn't much matter.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win
pete_dushenski: might as well make an interesting ballot pairing of two people noone has ever heard of
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. << implying she might run in 8 years?
pete_dushenski: actually, osama's body is much like these usms auctions
pete_dushenski: 'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!'
adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions
pete_dushenski: and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him
pete_dushenski: adlai 'the winner' getting out of dodge and never looking back would do.
pete_dushenski: so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro
adlai: it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7868 @ 0.00036272 = 2.8539 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25732 @ 0.00038164 = 9.8204 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7968 @ 0.00038297 = 3.0515 BTC [+]
mats: i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00040988 = 1.9145 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: not sure what i was thinking except that i like the chapter:verse thing
danielpbarron: sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment
danielpbarron: mats, was 60% enough to make up for the drop in USD/BTC price?
danielpbarron: i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending
mats: no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD
danielpbarron: mats, so your "gains" were really just you helping out the fiat traders / at least it beat buying bitcoin and doing nothing with it
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, i searched for the code you mentioned in here, and yeah it says 95 in the title or whatever
mats: yes, thats the downside to having imperfect information
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decimation: aren't those all published on the internet?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:51:43; jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> "implying she might run in 8 years?" << no, being facetious.
decimation: asciilifeform: the wisdom I've picked up from my own experiments and reading about yours is that it seems the ada compiler you choose is critical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6218 @ 0.00040946 = 2.546 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "18* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions" << complete misstatement of the situaiton. read the logs. search for "foia" might help
mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you have reignited my love for computers again
mircea_popescu: fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc.
decimation: wasn't it well known that microsoft stole the bsd IP stack for windows NT?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos
decimation: yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab)
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:06:11; mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D
mircea_popescu: if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard.
decimation: mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's
mircea_popescu: the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s.
decimation: apparently jwz wants to live in the past
mircea_popescu: not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to.
mircea_popescu: the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ?
adlai: he seems to want free tech support
adlai: asciilifeform: are you familiar with dwimlisp?
decimation: apparently jwz's main business is running a club now
mircea_popescu: yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over.
adlai: (for the curious/brave -
http://dwim.hu (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website'))
decimation: asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat
adlai: he forked xemacs from gnu
mircea_popescu: the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one.
adlai: jws was an employee at netscape
adlai: he did piss off stallman
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
decimation: adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slippage is not friction, slippage is your lab getting hit by earthquakes.
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111"
adlai: i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway.
decimation: moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market
mircea_popescu: any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy,
thestringpuller: like seriously, high wealth sims are only happy at like 4%
danielpbarron: i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units
thestringpuller: this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer.
decimation: asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved
decimation: I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard
decimation: asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico?
decimation: asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra
trinque: asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets
trinque: what do you think is going to kill us off?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms.
thestringpuller: so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching"
thestringpuller: d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that
trinque: yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine
trinque: "on site computer repair" bullshit
thestringpuller: US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5029 @ 0.00040988 = 2.0613 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere
thestringpuller: "The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers."
thestringpuller: "The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00040519 = 5.9563 BTC [-] {2}
PeterL: mircea_popescu: Is F.DERP statement coming soon?
mircea_popescu: PeterL being prepared. there's definitely going to be one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 40% or 90% is purely a wordchoice matter, much like the zhim thing. 5%ish is where it matters.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> and enron ruined pensions for everyone << if only. "My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to i
mircea_popescu: n his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040327 = 8.7913 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform was just ip-banned by 'github' for 'too many requests from your addr' << lmao.
mircea_popescu: open source is safe because it's read by millions of eyes, which we ban.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:12:30; asciilifeform: folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all the major differences between them and us, it occurs to me there's a very painfully obvious stylistical point : b-a.com doesn't have traffic tracking, github.com doesn't let you search.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. the notion of "optimal" is undefined.
adlai: b-a.com doesn't log?
adlai: (log itself, not the channel)
mircea_popescu: hm. it was discussed but i think long long ago, pre searchable stuff.
mircea_popescu: nope. you use in one phase symbols that don't exist of the other.
mircea_popescu: '(what bits would you send back in time to time T1), if you could, from time T2, (to maximize profit from investing C coin)'
mircea_popescu: yes, it does, provided you don't take it out of there.
mircea_popescu: the moment you start doin this sort of thing it no longer behaves thusly.
mircea_popescu: to put this to intuition : suppose in the alt-universe where your microscopic trade happened, another trader happened to see it and panic.
mircea_popescu: there are a number of hard rules of the world we inhabit, that children take some time to internalize. one is, of course, "move backwards through time" thing. what adolescent did not ponder this, wish it, etc.
mircea_popescu: another is the complexity problem. the simple fact that once the father has said "i know shit", if he opens his mouth enough to say as little as some basic math, he's now wrong.
adlai: When we differ, Charlie usually ends the conversation by saying: “Warren,
adlai: think it over and you’ll agree with me because you’re smart and I’m right.”
mircea_popescu: in any event, all human folly is based on the failure to come to terms and trying to go through the wall.
mircea_popescu: like, the complexity problem guarantees no government will ever succeed. yet who's deterred from "empirebuilding".
mircea_popescu: the time direction thing never stopped anyone from thinking "hey, i could have done better!" or be bitter about how things turned out etc.
mircea_popescu: now look at it from the fallacious "purpose" perspective.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00040988 = 3.6889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: at its core, the "optimal retrospective investment" problem is a nude and rude proposition to replace the action imperative ("mouse must escape or die in the act of trying") with an imaginary junk. ("it could have been"). this is not substantially different from what the usg does when it invents a new name for the homeless and pretends to have "resolved the problem".
mircea_popescu: it "works" like all fatlogic works : because it's easier
mircea_popescu: what is the correct code gcc approximates as it churns on cygwin ?
mircea_popescu: for as long as the proof is wrong, yes, it provably exists.
mircea_popescu: the mere fact that you have such proof is sufficient proof that it is wrong.
mircea_popescu: far be it from me to diss fiction - the creation of "proofs" we know from the outset to be false and then their taking apart to examine where they stole our eyes is exactly shakespeare's trade.
mircea_popescu: only if they don't include it. once you've included it... you've made it general.
mircea_popescu: looky here : for as long as you don't aim to use the "shortest program" thing for the purpose of attacking my statement, it is ok.
mircea_popescu: once you do, you're fucked. "works on most machines" now.
mircea_popescu: very naggum-ish character actually. except iirc swedish
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:35; asciilifeform: you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:19; asciilifeform: understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve
mircea_popescu: making money is not a function of one's hard work and dilligence in the schoolhouse sense.
mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: otherwise, there are some classes of optimization problems ~once you're already rich~.
mircea_popescu: but this is conservation. one does not acquire wealth except one single way
mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the hoodlums trying to be drug lords in detroit have a lot more sense in this matter than the "business majors" coming out of harvard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, us had a much better view of the soviets than the soviets, and vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: it's about not spending your time writing fiction under the pretense of "thinking". the mouse excels at this.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't understand the implementation details. but the situation, he understands just fine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35506 @ 0.00041126 = 14.6022 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's basically a sort of windows nt, to replace windows 3.1. look, flashier plumage and mating dances!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10994 @ 0.00041265 = 4.5367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:36:47; jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it bloodied its nose against the cage for 20 min. or so, then gave up << They tend to do that. Catch a good number with bad intentions towards the garden that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041387 = 2.0073 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Granted it normally takes the better part of a salad to make the cage traps enticing to groundhogs
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 435 @ 0.0125 = 5.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 228 @ 0.0381 = 8.6868 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00041851 = 5.1267 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00041679 = 2.2507 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They tend to do that. Amazing though on the other side how over time it takes increasing enticements to get them trapped in the first place.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform :]
mod6: let me know how it goes. my full-sync test with the static bin is up to height=273236 currently.
mod6: i'll check back in tomorrow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00041899 = 6.6619 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: i understand. i think the first objective will be to resolve that issue once we get the milestone "release" bundled up.
mod6: then that'll be another version bump & release in itself.
mod6: ok, im off for a bit. night #b-a!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00040599 = 6.6785 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 425 @ 0.00474189 = 2.0153 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 243 @ 0.00474063 = 1.152 BTC [-] {6}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0004039 = 5.493 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0003589 = 4.5042 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29097 @ 0.00038699 = 11.2602 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: height=253958 vs height=200309 (usb3: height=234842)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00037067 = 1.3529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8874 @ 0.00037067 = 3.2893 BTC [-]
mod6: up to height=288287 (static build)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40477 @ 0.00037164 = 15.0429 BTC [+]
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PeterL: does therealbitcoin list have an rss feed?
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jurov: just register as recipient?
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davout: this kind of stuff will probably happen more and more
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jurov: ^ heh these utorrent forums. "account suspended"
nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
☟︎ nubbins`: FWIW canada customs have consistently provided me with the least-pleasant border crossing experiences of any agency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00041394 = 4.6775 BTC [+]
chetty: only safe place is inside your head, for now
chetty: although I have crossed boarders in last year a few times with no problems, I am always ready
PeterL: you made renters angry?
chetty: and I can't type either :/
danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
☟︎ PeterL: why would people with children be different?
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PeterL: deader, unless you are a necrophile
mike_c: they didn't want to make you suspicious so you wouldn't see the people following you.
PeterL: if you had one in your pocket instead of in case, would they have been interested by it?
danielpbarron: PeterL, something's not right with the beginning of the MiniGame paragraph
PeterL: BingoBoingo: the link for s.mg is not closed, could you fix?
PeterL: just needs a >S.MG</a> in there
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0004136 = 18.7361 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: asciilifeform: average border guard probably says 1) is he brown? 2) did any of our HYPER ADVANCED detectors smell bomb? 3) is he flagged for harassment 4) does he look afraid
trinque: I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00042301 = 3.8511 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece.
BingoBoingo: There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored
BingoBoingo: The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00039942 = 5.3922 BTC [-] {2}
PeterL: maybe asciilifeform 's desire to make bullet in jungle conditions is more urgent than we thought?
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
PeterL: Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore)
chetty: they even ignore the courts, why bother with the silly 'public'
trinque: I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US
trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon
☟︎ chetty: walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :)
trinque: asciilifeform: I think people who never leave cities tend to forget how much weaponry is just outside
trinque: and people who actually know how to use them
danielpbarron: perhaps it'll be like with legal weed -- permitted to do bitcoin, or permitted to own a gun. choose one.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think things have gotten bad enough yet for them, the rednecks
chetty: yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in
trinque: I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind
trinque: invoke the "end times", etc
chetty: right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore
trinque: asciilifeform: how collapsed are we considering?
trinque: enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15425 @ 0.00041173 = 6.3509 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: bitstein: austin resident?
trinque: bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston
danielpbarron: I once visited a false church community in waco, tx (no relation to that other thing) and they seemed capable of sustaining themselves independent of any supply lines. But maybe all the ground tilling was just for show -- I didn't stay there year-round; just for a week for their "harvest festival"
trinque: danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need
trinque: the problem being the neighbors of course, in such a situation
PeterL: danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too?
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, a lot of their industry was exporting to outsiders. things like "hand made whatever"
trinque: PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them
PeterL: but tools do not last forever
trinque: this idea that people cannot possibly survive without vast supply chains is pretty new...
danielpbarron: i still have those gloves and hat. not gonna say it isn't high quality.
trinque: I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation
trinque: asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food?
trinque: I'd expect they were living off the state's teat mostly
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
trinque: of course, yet what, 5% population decline, maybe 10?
trinque: asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance
trinque: actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages
trinque: that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though
trinque: pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot
trinque: let the cities burn themselves out
PeterL: wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins?
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later
PeterL: I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks
danielpbarron: is it foolish to assume that I can bribe my way out of catastrophe?
trinque: I mean the cities wont be a risk to the rural areas after some period of starvation
trinque: asciilifeform: well you at least fight back as the knife's plunged in
danielpbarron: i don't think i'll be rich enough to bribe my way out until -after- it begins
trinque: danielpbarron: someone will just beat the private keys out of you
trinque: asciilifeform: ah, I agree that I'm probably dead
trinque: this is more a question of what to do until then
trinque: no worse than the situation was before though, right?
trinque: I'm as good as dead no matter what I'm doing, given a long enough timeline
trinque: but, one will still try to increase his chances even as lowered into the oil
danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either
☟︎ PeterL: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- << surviving is dependent on having useful skills and wot connections to others with skills, the time to gain these is also strictly -before-
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:54:35; danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: I'd think there's enough talent right here to escape a gravity well
trinque: that seems foolish, though sure, I'm making my own moves aside from derping here
trinque: a big, profitable company would hurt how?
jurov: what is "nato financial octopus"?
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
☟︎ trinque: well not mutual assistance and not an org
trinque: for example if there was a tiny rasp-pi sized lisp machine, I think that'd be sellable
trinque: I don't want help; I have my own businesses
trinque: point being that no matter what's going on in the world at large, there are products to sell
trinque: asciilifeform: your cardano, perfect example
trinque: asciilifeform: sure but that's hyperbolic compared to "I can attach this to a printer, card scanner, whatever, and it does what it is told"
trinque: asciilifeform: sure; yet I think people forget millions can be made owning a chain of car washes
trinque: ehhh, you can still start businesses in the US
trinque: you just have to be willing to starve
trinque: and/or to lower yourself a bit
trinque: plenty of retards out there owning strip clubs, parking garages, snow plow companies
trinque: and also in particular, astoundingly shitty software companies that can be bested without much effort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0003986 = 6.3776 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: along those lines I am really starting to consider moving back to TX
trinque: no state income tax, cheap-as-hell rent
mircea_popescu: ideally you want exactly what ben_vulpes was proposing : a node server with a wallet client
mircea_popescu: but even admitting this were done correctly, the problem still remains of what txn the client should order broadcast.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda how sane people use this : wallet on a system behind a node system in a nat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6085 @ 0.00039974 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
sjsqd: was trying to sign up for your site but it forwards to a blank page
sjsqd: otherwise still also trying to read through 6 months of IRC logs haha
sjsqd: put in my email and 10,000 credits and pressed submit
mircea_popescu: also, make sure you typed the email address correctly.
sjsqd: email address is correct
sjsqd: and I don't think I have redirects disabled
sjsqd: I tried a few different options on my computer but got the same result
mircea_popescu: if you fill in with something other than 10k or with nothing at all it works.
sjsqd: I'm pretty sure I tried another figure but yes you're correct it works now
sjsqd: yes I will I briefly read about it earlier
sjsqd: I've just had quite a few things on at the moment, otherwise I would be a bit more active
sjsqd: but I do find this channel and the websites/sources surrounding it interesting
airgapped: ^ including for reference, may be usefull for someone
mircea_popescu: i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpoise, but it's in teh logs.
airgapped: this one is new, more RAM, so far rock solid
trinque: mystery binary blob drivers are required to run the thing
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron more a case of "there's all these people who got pis because excitement, now have nothing to use them for", i thought,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.03400002 = 1.564 BTC [-] {2}
airgapped: so for me this is also temp solution
mircea_popescu: the pi is currently being worked on as a first example of a fully fits in head machine.
danielpbarron: still a work in progress, see also the root directory of that file
mircea_popescu: airgapped you should prolly get in the wot while at it.
airgapped: danielpbarron: nice, mised it in the logs
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo enjoy :) i didn't end up drinking last night so no issues there
assbot: airgapped is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: if you were in gribble pre 2015, you were imported. otherwise, gotta reg your key with assbot.
mircea_popescu: so then it's halfa minute. yeah, see the link for commands.
airgapped: !register 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key EBBA0713 / "airgapped <airgapped@countermail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.03753703 = 1.0135 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.airgapped.1:b3f7991004a4bbbbd349279c39bb1e5431f940bcc8e103b36d37d3d83b3ae7f6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: Working on the pogo thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7008 @ 0.00039911 = 2.797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00040988 = 7.0089 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.airgapped.1:9fdc995fb92b89f46ae90459ad60e2b6c87f4627292744d93d9e0c7c8f3f0be7
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: New blood
mike_c: heh, i kind of like that better. "janyary"
pete_dushenski: airgapped so are you working in the field currently ? or is this more of a hobby of yours ?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpois << alf proclaimed it as depending on binary turd (that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable), thus unworthy
jurov: oh and mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
☟︎ pete_dushenski: i'm under the impression, though hardly an expert, that there isn't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00041098 = 3.5755 BTC [+]
mike_c: you just haven't heard the name. it's the winklevii etf.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:31:33; nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
jurov: well... if i wasn't on this chan, i'd easily ended up carrying any to/from canada
jurov: wiping both my ntb and phone would appear completely insane to me
kakobrekla: if you werent on this chan you could actually carry it as well hehe
kakobrekla: well, now you are flagged suspekterorista
danielpbarron: what is to wipe on a phone that they don't already have? It's not like my keys are on the thing
danielpbarron: is that incriminating? could be anything in that bong!
danielpbarron: also, they already have those pictures, presumably
jurov: but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too?
pete_dushenski: jurov nah, it's just people getting fussed about the theatre
pete_dushenski: it's obvious that airport security is about as meaningfully useful as curtains on a submarine
danielpbarron: what if i'm caught traveling with my private key ascii armored and printed on a sheet of paper? do they even know well enough to ask for a passphrase?
kakobrekla: at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only.
jurov: inb4 virtualized bombs
danielpbarron: not that it matters, but telling a passphrase should surely be considered "testifying against yourself"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0003873 = 3.6019 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
pete_dushenski: so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack
airgapped: asciilifeform: fully agree secure micro does not exists whatever some may claim
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 22:59:43; airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9682 @ 0.00040821 = 3.9523 BTC [+]
airgapped: yes they call it secure but I fully agree these are just micros with crypto accelertion
airgapped: trully secure processor does not exists
airgapped: no I have no illusion that secure processor exists
airgapped: the only option is airgapped machine and nothing beyod
airgapped: interest in crypto algorithms and practical implementaitons
airgapped: translating crypto/math into implementaion running on small machines