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funkenstein_: the latest ben fulford piece is pretty good
funkenstein_: not sure why i like him, considering a decade of wrong predictions once a week
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking art an' freedom, http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
assbot: The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2HiL0 )
funkenstein_: i can smell that sundae :)
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159811 <-- reminds me of a joke translated to me from mandarin☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 21:40:27; trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
funkenstein_: american, african, and chinese are all asked, what's your opinion of your country's food?
funkenstein_: american says: wait what's my country?
funkenstein_: african says: wait what's food?
funkenstein_: chinese says: wait, what's my opinion?
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159963 << go ahead & generate a few million 4096-bit turds using your favourite /dev/random. see how many divisible by 29.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 23:57:56; mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.
mircea_popescu: just about every 30th :D
asciilifeform: so whence the 'divergence from expectation' ?
mircea_popescu: we currently have 29 like 4 times (expected 2ish) and 11 or 13 0 times
mircea_popescu: this is all re http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3ZkFJ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try confining the search to the non-mirrored moduli
asciilifeform: although these, too, may have odd properties, being (as far as i can determine) mutilated versions of 'proper' ones
asciilifeform: not certain if we have a sufficiently large sample of these to make solid empirical conjecture
asciilifeform: (number theorists in the audience, please ready your barf bags)
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i prefer: 'american says: what's food? chinese says: country ? african: wait, someone asked for my opinion?!'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159915 << the problem with agreeing to become the ball in a game of liberasty football is that, well, folks will kick you☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 22:26:59; nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: hi, the amount of alcohol required to parse the logs is increasing
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: did we ever discuss nuking the 'randomized change address' thing ?
asciilifeform: because in my considered opinion, it is clinically retarded
asciilifeform: and must die (tm)
Vexual: just a matter of time
Vexual: what the foundation policy on sending small amounts?
asciilifeform: Vexual: none of this is 'matter of time.' if we shoot it in the head, it dies. otherwise - lives.
asciilifeform: and i don't see how amounts matter.
Vexual: yeah, that was more aabout the amount of alcohol reqd
asciilifeform: l0l
Vexual: so why disallow sending 1 satoshi?
asciilifeform: Vexual: go, send
asciilifeform: other folks won't retransmit, because 'sheepskin not worth the tanning'
Vexual: yes yes
asciilifeform: Vexual: we're not in the business of trying to euchre strange into the network rules. for that, go straight to phoundation.
asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised that gavin and his merry gnomish friends have not attempted to reinstate 'dust'
asciilifeform: to help fill blocks
Vexual: what of poorly designed services that might send unconfirmed amounts with fees then?
Vexual: another matter^
asciilifeform: what of poorly designed services that connect a user's mouth to his own arse ?
Vexual: well im postulating, i dont know of any
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with it ?
asciilifeform: with what ?
Vexual: dust
asciilifeform: Vexual: just postulating that gavin & co would like to see blocks fill up, to help push their phork
funkenstein_: lifting all these blocks gonna give me a hearneia
mircea_popescu: the change address
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the classical 'random change address' is absolutely lethal to wallet backups
asciilifeform: thought that this was obvious to all
asciilifeform: i have serious trouble grasping what justification there could possibly be for it
asciilifeform: i can't fathom how a serious bitcoin user would be willing to tolerate it.
mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from generating any arbitrary count of addresses.
funkenstein_: one solution is to just rip out all the wallet stuff completely
mircea_popescu: moreover, backups should be periodic anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking here of the default 'sendtoaddress' behaviour.
mircea_popescu: yes
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: we spoke of this. i say that'd be braindamaged, because we are maintaining a -reference client-
mircea_popescu: you can pre-load your wallet with 100k addresses for future use.
asciilifeform: which means that it is a complete description of bitcoin.
asciilifeform: this is why the cpu miner stays
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can. but bitcoind as we have it will generate a 100,001th if you fire it.
asciilifeform: (alternatively, we could deprecate 'sendtoaddress' in favour of 'sendmany' only)
mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
asciilifeform: did not say it has to be shot -today-.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: (not like it's a hard patch)
asciilifeform: but as overall question.
asciilifeform: why keep a pistol that fires towards the hilt in your pistol collection ?
funkenstein_: by random change address, I thought you meant the order it is listed in the TX
mircea_popescu: because it's your father's pistol collection and nobody asked you anything ?
mircea_popescu: throwing out the pistols that are on fire is one thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by that token, ought not to touch any of it, l0l
mircea_popescu: but the rest can be shaved later
mircea_popescu: well...
asciilifeform: i see the 'generate change addr' as a boobytrap for the unwary (and extra lines of code) with no rational justification for continued existence
asciilifeform: but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the change address mechanism is bizarre, esp in its interraction with backups, but imo not actually doing anything bad. you shouldn't have backups that it affects negatively anyway, if you comprehend backups.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do you propose to create a backup that it won't affect ?
mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference from taking out harmful stuff and taking out spurious stuff. these are never ghoing to be the first step, and we've not completed the first step yet
mircea_popescu: ergo, they're untouchable for now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you speak of "a" backup you're already out in cosmic space. backups are a process not an item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'generate addr' for instance prevents the use of the hypothetical 'brainwallet' machine discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: tough :D
asciilifeform: well, on closer look, it doesn't.
asciilifeform: (you craft a tx and feed it into the machine for signing, when you visit the darkroom)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of 'hands off father's pistols,' i'm still waiting for a 'meta,' 'theevenmorerealbitcoin.org' which will take issue with the excision of 'orphans' etc
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asciilifeform: if the enemy had any class to speak of, this'd be a master trolltron
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asciilifeform: unrelated:
asciilifeform: has anyone contemplated collecting the set of sks keys which crash the parser ?
asciilifeform: i bet a good chunk of those is stego blob
asciilifeform: for botnet c&c, etc.
asciilifeform: (since sks will apparently host -anything- purporting to be a key)
asciilifeform: and - apparently - permanently
asciilifeform: or is this, too, folks are waiting for me to do.
asciilifeform: there is no reason to wait!
asciilifeform: it isn't hard or anything.
asciilifeform: not like i didn't post example code here.
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funkenstein_: easier to use pastebin or mega methinks
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: nope.
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: both are heavily censored, and entirely centralized
asciilifeform: sks is more like usenet
asciilifeform: write-only
asciilifeform: or rather, write-once
asciilifeform: i'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been spammed to cinders
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy is not in it for aesthetic considerations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aethetics are not entirely separable from utility here
asciilifeform: in a propaganda war
mircea_popescu: maybe, but this cockroach doesn't fly.
asciilifeform: but where are the other insects, which -do- fly ?
asciilifeform: why absent ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the alleged models they use, i'd be surprised too. except i don't believe even for a second the inept allegations of the shithead ycombinator parade.
asciilifeform: which allegations ?
asciilifeform has not been keeping up with the flea circus
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mircea_popescu: that "this is just how sks servers work"
asciilifeform: not like the code is not public
asciilifeform: who wants - go, read.
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decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying google is gonna buy sks servers and slowly fade them away?
mod6: Going back to this error from lastnight: net.cpp:1358:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope
decimation: mod6 is there an INT64_MIN in bitcoin? jurov's tool doesn't see it
mod6: here's what I discovered: ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' is in ``headers.h''. But if I add ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' directly after the #define in net.cpp, then it compiles fine. I found the same errors in util.cpp and wallet.cpp. Added those two lines fixes it in all places.
mod6: decimation: should be line 1359 int64 nBest = INT64_MIN; of (net.cpp)
mod6: im not sure what jurov's thing shows. i go by what's in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE.tar.gz with hash: 5c41fe6cf286770a25bf61ab0c35747d0c760f8656754296d2e1d3c4274b5686
decimation: ls
mod6: anyway, after I fixed those hiccups, then I ran into this when linking. any thoughts here? this is a gentoo with nearly nothing installed... : http://dpaste.com/0HQTB32.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXrLiy )
decimation: INT64_MIN is defined in stdint.h on my redhat machine
decimation: adding #include <stdint.h> should be cool
decimation: the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto
mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
mod6: <+decimation> the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto << hmm i guess i can understand libcrypto, but openssl was built with auto.sh... would have though it could ifnd it..
decimation: did it actually build?
mod6: ip-172-31-2-241 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 # whereis libcrypto libcrypto: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so
mod6: ah, it's an .so... so maybe it's looking for a .a
decimation: yep
decimation: you told it -Wl,-Bstatic
mod6: openssl? yeah, i believe it built just fine.
mod6: I have that whole part saved in a typescript. lemme check
decimation: is your target libcrypto and libssl in /usr/lib or in your built auto.sh targets?
decimation: like, libssl.a and libcrypto.a should be in /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib
mod6: ip-172-31-2-241 sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc # find /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc -name "*libssl*" \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.pc \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.a
decimation: yeah but that's not in ourlibs/lib
mod6: the typescript does say that it had some error installing the documents or something though, but other than that, looks ok.
decimation: yeah and when it failed to install documents it didn't move it to ourlibs/lib
decimation: which is where bitcoin's makefile wants it
decimation: you are probably missing that one tool
mod6: ah, thanks decimation. that's probably the other part of what nubbins` was saying before about not being copied correctly. i had to copy the headers by hand for it to compile...
decimation: I think I told you about the docs
mod6: ah, ok.
decimation: I remember looking into it
decimation: I think I solved it by turning off doc generation
mod6: ok copied libcrypto.a and libssl.a into ourlibs/lib
mod6: got passed that problem... but now have something else.
decimation: yeah it's that perl doc bullshit
decimation: it makes make install fail
mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXtxAn )
decimation: it's a weak symbol, the unwind shit is related to debugging
decimation: I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, it's probably some complicated ulibc <-> gcc interaction
mod6: hmm. well, this didn't help either: recompile with -fPIC
mod6: maybe I have it in the wrong spot though.
mod6: gentoo has a page that mentions PIEs & PICs... maybe i can try without -fPIE and see what happens.
mod6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened/Toolchain
assbot: Hardened/Toolchain - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXvJYH )
mod6: didn't seem to help: http://dpaste.com/0FV0TC3.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXwD7n )
mod6: hmm...
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160111 << i spoke of this a month or two ago. afaik - unsolved☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:07:08; mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
asciilifeform: !s stdint
assbot: 8 results for 'stdint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stdint
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160137 << you still have dns invocations in there☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:17:35; mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
mod6: oh you think that's causing this issue?
asciilifeform: mod6: two separate issues here!
mod6: well, i've got the stdint thing figured out for the time being. i've applied your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch" and "nubs-gentoo-sanity.patch".
asciilifeform: this worked ?
mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.
mod6: the other issue is the linking thing...
mod6: the linker is saying that an R_X86_64_PC32 relocation against an undefined symbol can't be used in a shared object... maybe your removal of the dns shit fixes this. not sure. will try adding that patch as well if this next thing doesn't work.
asciilifeform: what symbol ?
mod6: __GI___pthread_cleanup_upto
asciilifeform: ferphuxxsake
asciilifeform: what triggers this ?
mod6: did you look at this? http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDGUr )
mod6: unless i'm just dumb, and it's related to "getnameinfo()", but i honestly didn't think it was reated.
mod6: *related
asciilifeform: methinks we got our first uclibc-ism here
decimation: no getnameifo isn't at fault
decimation: it's something to do with linking between ulibc, gcc, pthread
asciilifeform: try building a boost-y 'hello world' statically with uclibc
decimation: http://blog.docker.com/2013/06/create-light-weight-docker-containers-buildroot/ < some dude found the same problem
assbot: Create lightweight Docker containers with Buildroot | Docker Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDSmF )
mod6: decimation: i saw that there. lol, there aren't many people who've encoutered this.
decimation: not this exact error, no
asciilifeform: the set of folks doing static builds today consists - approximately - of us.
asciilifeform: (and perhaps the linuxbios folks)
mircea_popescu: and some more isolated pockets, but yeah
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: microcontroller folks, too
asciilifeform: but none of'em are stuck with cpp, much less 'boost'
decimation: heh yeah only crazies would consider writing cpp for embedded or static linking
decimation: mod6 what version of ulibc are you using
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decimation: http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ChangeLog-0.9.31_0.9.32 < "Date: Fri May 27 17:08:36 2011 +0200 Fix build issue due to missing symbols in !NPTL case: - _longjmp_unwind"
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHECIt )
asciilifeform: does uclibs even contain setjmp() routines ?
asciilifeform: *uclibc
asciilifeform looks, learns that it does. or claims to.
mod6: <+decimation> mod6 what version of ulibc are you using << lemme see what i can find.
mod6: 0.9.33.2 looks like: http://dpaste.com/21W7WXW.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqF6jN )
decimation: asciilifeform: http://bugs.rosalinux.ru/show_bug.cgi?id=1127
assbot: Bug 1127 – segmentation fault error when the busybox execute ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFdvI )
decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32219
assbot: 32219 – optimizer causes wrong code in pic/hidden/weak symbol checking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFheX )
decimation: lol it's a gcc bug reported in 2007, not fixed until 2015
decimation: mod6: what version of gcc are you using
mod6: gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4
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decimation: unless the fix was backported, you need gcc 5.1
decimation: if it's this gcc bug, it wasn't fixed until 13 feb 2015
decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHHRQ2 )
mod6: hmm...
mod6: so this might not be a problem, but i was just looking at the environement to see if something is out of whack. it seems the /usr/bin/gcc isn't quite the same as the /usr/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/gcc-bin/4.8.4/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc : http://dpaste.com/19T1QMN.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJehC )
mod6: Is this wrong?
mod6: they do have different hashes, etc.
decimation: I'm not sure, but I do know if that if the fix I found above isn't integrated it might not matter
mod6: yeah. it seems weird from that other link that uclibc should have a fix applied in branch 0.9.32, or did i misunderstand that.
mod6: so thinking that my 0.9.33.2 /should/ be okay...
mod6: <+decimation> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << is there any likelihood that this patch can be applied to 4.8.4? or is 5.x required?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJJIt )
decimation: I donno, I'm not a gcc expert
mod6: ok. np. the message didn't say. i guess i could try pulling the 4.8.4 source or whatever and see.
mod6: i would think i would need to build whatevre this is: x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 + the obscure patch in msg00410
mod6: makes me as jumpy as a longtalied cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
decimation: hehe me too
decimation: !up bekusoararu
mod6: mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic.
bekusoararu: ^^
bekusoararu bows
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bekusoararu: ;seen duffer
bekusoararu: balls deep i suppose
bekusoararu: !s richard prior
assbot: 0 results for 'richard prior' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=richard+prior
trinque: pryor?
bekusoararu: yuo just seem to know everything
trinque: unlikely, but I know that
bekusoararu: i know you, i ike you
bekusoararu: noone doesnt
bekusoararu: you just got a tony
bekusoararu: !g dirtycash dizzee
bekusoararu: nevermind
bekusoararu: i confer helen mirrin rights upon trinque
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mircea_popescu: !up laylagottawatch
laylagottawatch: 8premKyl5nc
laylagottawatch: seriously tho people say how eric clapton bout this watch or that watch, who gives a shizen
mircea_popescu: <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?!
laylagottawatch: nobody has a watch
laylagottawatch: they were all stolen long ago
laylagottawatch: kinda necessary for bitcoin tho
laylagottawatch: ektsOP8yOQM
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laylagottawatch: !g diesel!g johnny diesel and the injectors
laylagottawatch: 9K0vKfpfpx8
laylagottawatch: cry in shame
laylagottawatch: b00STMSnu1s
laylagottawatch: notice fp onn thge couch
laylagottawatch: ]funkenstein knows the sax guy\
davout: wtf am i reading
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punkman: !up ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ty punkman
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'change addr' << i have banged on at length about this brain damage
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 15:29:44; mircea_popescu: cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159168 <<< trans girl who 4chan furiously jacked it to until they found out she was trans.. some continued anyway https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2442/3630600841_172e5551e1.jpg☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 15:39:41; mircea_popescu: who/what is a bailey jay
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159739 <<< http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:31:23; BingoBoingo: Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM5OUV )
cazalla: which is really strange given coontown does target (reddit's ver of targeting) people
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159784 <<< that's bad but i think this is worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTHbY9mVYAM☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 21:21:40; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s
assbot: VINE MARATHON VOLUME 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM7uOp )
shinohai: The mix tape for a new generation.
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shinohai: https://twitter.com/LivingComputers/status/608829778360033280/photo/1
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punkman: http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/115523611261/i-love-science-i-think-its-the-most-beautiful
assbot: benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqSpHq )
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shinohai: biodiversity is an interesting subject.
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nubbins`: "the fact that most people won’t learn about sexual variation until COLLEGE is ... VIOLENT"
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: the fact that "Leah, 20." feels the education system should be the primary educator of children is telling
nubbins`: http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/121184028396/obeykingafrica-short-hair-dont-care-also-i
assbot: benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M57B )
nubbins`: and i'm done
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE9JlONzrVU
assbot: Your standard fuckparty. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M7MX )
nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days
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nubbins`: !up Guest24615
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BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
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mircea_popescu: and in breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj3va0iHC1rewmkdo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUJS4g )
nubbins`: now that's a spicy meatball
mircea_popescu: she doesn't look like she got enough sauce on hers.
nubbins`: i think she ordered the vegetarian spaghetti
nubbins` contemplates making meatballs
mircea_popescu: that's good, a slut somewhere's contemplating eating manballs.
nubbins`: tesla batteries would be great for my home, if (a) non-peak rates were offered here, or (b) net metering was an option
asciilifeform: so my neighbour's house has been in the care of garbage men wearing gas masks for a week now.
nubbins`: asciilifeform !!
asciilifeform: they are also wearing sacks over their shoes
nubbins`: obola?
nubbins`: was this the neighbour who'd been broken into?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: cat woman
nubbins`: o.
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: i was hoping for aliens.
nubbins`: i guess she's not a cat woman anymore.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not clear where the beasties went
asciilifeform: they put out zoological traps but none sprang
nubbins`: humane services, most likely
asciilifeform: i think they escaped
nubbins`: never to return? seems unlikely
nubbins`: unless they were held against their will
nubbins`: (cats are v territorial, don't just "run away")
asciilifeform: these were kept indoors
asciilifeform: and probably have severely defective firmware
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and also if (c) you were a salamander so fire hazard was not a concern
nubbins`: maybe so, but even though
nubbins`: cats running away generally isn't a thing that happens, unless they're running from a new home to their previous one
nubbins`: but they'll lose that urge after a couple weeks.
mircea_popescu: much like women.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00038149 = 3.5666 BTC [+]
nubbins`: anecdote: Dory popped through the screen window yesterday
nubbins`: i step through the front door to fetch her, and she's worriedly trotting around meowing at neighbouring windows, trying to figure out which house is hers
nubbins`: ;(
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: woah she had a 'king' mattress
asciilifeform: mega-luxury
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: i imagine The Outside must look to a modern pet cat much like the same looks to a modern teenager.
asciilifeform: (though i count 11 or so gigantic spots)
nubbins`: we have a king size mattress. they're not THAT expensive :P
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the floor space - is
mircea_popescu has a 2.2 x 2.3 matress even here
nubbins`: :o
nubbins`: so if you wanna lie sideways, your legs hang off the edge?
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: you think i'm over 2 meters long ?
nubbins`: that was directed towards alf, heh
mircea_popescu: oh lol
nubbins`: that was actually dory's second time out front
nubbins`: the first time, she was just sitting in the window checking things out
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm not even a very tall fella, but the only orientation i can lie down in where legs do not go over the edge is diagonal (after pushing pet out)
mircea_popescu: "and i threw it out"
nubbins`: then her hated enemy, Gandalf, approaches the window
nubbins`: and Dory actually launched herself at him, busting the screen out of the window, and chased him down the block
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could cut her in half, have a chunk curl up on either side.
nubbins`: it was bananas and i was almost too high to deal with it
mircea_popescu: alternatively, start dating 12yos
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i only fuck preteens because the floor space is so expensive"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually often say to pet, 'mainly what i need a 2nd one for is to have stators on both sides'
mircea_popescu: because you spin ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: does it do work /
nubbins`: only when they wear the copper brush undies
asciilifeform: in the schoolbook physics sense, surely.
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
nubbins`: and you thought a hair shirt was bad
nubbins`: so i've got this conveyor oven for curing ink on shirts, yes?
mircea_popescu: is this still about dory ?
nubbins`: no :(
nubbins`: i ws connecting some ducting to the exhaust fan last fall and realized that the mfg installed the fucking fan upside-down
mircea_popescu: proceed
mircea_popescu: the manufagturer ?
nubbins`: seriously. exhaust fan pointed down into the oven.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: so he built you a crematorium ?
nubbins`: he built me a t-shirt oven that blasts cool air onto the sides of the shirts it's trying to cure.
mircea_popescu: so you're making cool shirts.
nubbins`: anyway. no big deal, tap some new holes, screw the thing in the right way.
mircea_popescu: you know, smoked meats should be cold cured.
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nubbins`: they also wired the fucking motor backwards
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaah
mircea_popescu: see, this is why slump times in sv are bad
nubbins`: so the heat/speed controls are on the fucking output side of it
mircea_popescu: the fucktards end up employed in productive activities
mircea_popescu: and bring their "coding experience" with them
asciilifeform: ^^^^
nubbins`: anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that i'm gonna be rewiring a DC motor for the first time today
nubbins`: sources say i just gotta swap the red and black
asciilifeform: this is rather akin to the famous clusterfuck in usa circa '80s when reagan turned the psych ward folks loose
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think the usa is still dealing w/ that
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not really, it's just a lefty meme.
asciilifeform: aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
assbot: ClubOrlov: Crazyland ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUNIdM )
asciilifeform: and others.
mircea_popescu: "oh reagan was bad because bla bla"
nubbins`: was he the actor?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me is deeply unconcinved by the theory.
nubbins`: i mean, they all are.
nubbins`: but
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, he was the only qualified one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pinning it on reagan may be a liberast hobby horse, but it did happen.
mircea_popescu: well, some whore also got office in italy about some time
nubbins`: the only one w/ a SAG membership, anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that he let the loonies out is a fact. the proposition that this had any measurable effect is loonytalk
mircea_popescu: mostly off the sort of schmucks who either depend on or aim to depend on a "social worker" career
mircea_popescu: which is built exactly on this proposition.
nubbins`: in other shop news, i've got a lead on a new (to me) flash dryer from the shop i used to work part-time at
asciilifeform: the only definitively measurable effect was on the population of bums
mircea_popescu: according to whom ?
nubbins`: new owners love their new flash dryer so much that they DON'T WANT their old one.
nubbins`: nevermind that they've got two shirt presses and one of them can only do single-color prints because it has no flash.
nubbins`: nevermind that
nubbins`: sell the old, working flash to me :D
mircea_popescu: sounds like you got yourselves the best sort of friends after "she likes to fuck" : the clueless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps not 'definitively.' but everyone i meet in usa appear to be firmly convinced that this cataclysm happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't this make you suspicious ?
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform wasn't there yet, did not see with own eyes
mircea_popescu: other things "everyone in usa" is convinced of include the fact that their feelings matter.
asciilifeform: l0l aha.
mircea_popescu: also without factual basis.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there are still asylums, in a sese
asciilifeform: *sense
asciilifeform: but the denizens rotate in and out
asciilifeform: this is intensely lucrative for a variety of 'social work' orgs
nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/39b67t/im_a_retired_bank_robber_ama/cs26ah1
assbot: ErisGrey comments on I'm a retired bank robber. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUOkjA )
mircea_popescu: yeah, there are. over 10mn people live in them, half of which "veterans"
mircea_popescu: except they're no longer centralized and so less obvious
nubbins`: asylums are not fun places
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. typically built into normal hospital.
asciilifeform once visited a chum who ended up in one
mircea_popescu: ah, no. that's the 1%
mircea_popescu: the 99% is, basically, random apartments all over town
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160260 << i made the mistake of unbanning vexual because people complained forreasons i don't fathom, and then i made the mistake of upping random name.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 05:42:59; davout: wtf am i reading
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160273 << a ok than!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 07:56:37; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off
asciilifeform: i think the poor fella might be #b-a's very own 'asylum veteran'
mircea_popescu: maybe
nubbins`: woo, new printer just arrived
nubbins` now owns three epson 1430s
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/01/geotrax-currency-tracker.jpg << from that bank robbery thread. i think i own one of these modems, l0l!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJdQzl )
asciilifeform: have robbers never heard of 'rf bags' ?
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mircea_popescu: what is that thing supposed to be ?
asciilifeform: (according to the u.s. patents, the 'money boobytraps' are 100% rf-activated.)
asciilifeform: and this one is not explosive, but a gps tracker.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i bet those things cost like $500ea
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png <<< bwahahaha WHO THE FUCK comes up with this shit.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJedKe )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! << 'twas a joke. the old one about how a programmer wanted to bake an apple pie but first has to invent a universe. 'cept in this one static bitcoind is the pie, and the universe is gentoo/uclibc/gcc/etc. :]
mircea_popescu: o god almighty, a whole generation of ignorant, poor twerps. running their own country.
mircea_popescu: im so going to go on bison safari through the most powerful country in the world before long...
nubbins`: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
mircea_popescu: mod6 oic
nubbins`: "we're banning people, not coontown"
nubbins`: i cannot even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will have to bring own bisons, i suspect
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and the best part is, someone rolled their eyes and muttered "obviously" over this.
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: like
mircea_popescu: you culd be banging her, if you got out more.
asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether
nubbins`: i need someone to buy me this book: http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/how-to-even-for-dummies.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUPKuv )
mircea_popescu: because they're everywhere.
nubbins`: that is how much i cannot even
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not extinct is it ?
mircea_popescu: even romania has zimbrii come back
mircea_popescu: (they were throught extinct after ww2. much like anything larger than a cat)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly was reintroduced. somewhere.
asciilifeform only ever saw in zoo
mircea_popescu: i know i had its meat so it can't be that rare.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ted turner invested $maxint in bison farms
mircea_popescu: aha
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: is the singular of zimbrii "zimbra"?
mircea_popescu: zimbru
nubbins`: aw.
mircea_popescu: the european woolen bison, slightly smaller.
nubbins`: ;;google talking heads i zimbra
gribble: Talking Heads - I Zimbra (HQ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-RDJ4Z4XrQ>; I Zimbra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Zimbra>; Talking Heads - I Zimbra Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-zimbra-lyrics-talking-heads.html>
mircea_popescu: zimbra prettyt much means hickey
nubbins`: ^ worth a listen.
asciilifeform: зубр
mircea_popescu: him
nubbins`: after clicking around on /r/coontown a bit
nubbins`: i uh
nubbins` gestures helplessly
nubbins`: sure am glad reddit is a, uh.. safe space?
nubbins` frowns, thinks
asciilifeform waits for the reddit thread 'iama craigslist bitcoin robber, ask me anything'
mircea_popescu: ad hoc legislation looks just like ad hoc coding.
mircea_popescu: a) it doesn't compile, so they prefer interpreted languages instead and b) it doesn't debug, so they prefer to write more instead.
nubbins`: http://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/zCl-7opvFRrVGJEJHc8BVEV6AL8Hxdg227GzeQYJpSA.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUR68m )
nubbins`: mis lados
asciilifeform: wtf even is that
nubbins`: that's ellen pao explaining why coontown wasn't one of the subreddits that got banned
asciilifeform: sure, but what -was- it
asciilifeform: (is?)
nubbins`: is.
nubbins`: http://reddit.com/r/coontown
assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1FURggf )
nubbins`: because maintaining a "nigger hate" forum isn't behaviour, it's an idea
nubbins`: or smth
nubbins`: ELLEN PAO, LOGICIAN
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159677 haha i concur. and if you exposed ms-dos to untrusted data and got it to crash or worse, it was *your* fault.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 19:42:15; ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
mircea_popescu: I STILL PREFER MSDOS
asciilifeform: as an msdos aficionado myself, i find the comparison to 'adult' os to be a rather odd one
mircea_popescu: to everything i've seen since the 80s, i by a very fat large margin prefer msdos.
asciilifeform: dos wasn't really 'present' in the sense unix is
mircea_popescu: you know i never had a computer "freeze" ? crash, yes.
mircea_popescu: but wtf is a freeze. a stable state of nonsense ?
asciilifeform: proggy (esp. in the latter days, with 'protected mode' gamez etc) took over machine entirely
asciilifeform: 'freeze', then, as now, is when box no longer answers to keyboard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a lot to be said for this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, which is why i am still living there. (like to program embedded chips where this holds true)
asciilifeform: (re: 'freezing' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 )
assbot: Loper OS » First Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSb08 )
nubbins`: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/there-is-no-right-not-to-be-offended/article3969404.ece
assbot: ‘There is no right not to be offended’ - The Hindu ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSh7K )
nubbins`: quote in title from salman rushdie
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29E48E92BF1A5E83EAA2C9F4927191B0A345037362BC78DCB8F5BA2A3E9D8D70 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42CBD68B7426A8BAE00317B4196B4551BB2673EEFCECBBD60E8D9C55255A6A0
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSmsi )
nubbins`: mister starck!
nubbins`: one of these days i'mma read up on exactly wtf phuctor is doing
nubbins` has laughably little hands-on experience with the nuts & bolts of this math
asciilifeform: friend of yours ?
nubbins`: nah
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as for what it is doing, this fits in a paragraph - http://nosuchlabs.com/theory
assbot: Theory | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSEPG )
nubbins`: ty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: were you the one who proposed an msdos port of bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: somebody did
asciilifeform: (was it me...?)
mircea_popescu: prolly you
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: was there a reason we didn't do this ?
asciilifeform: (how tcp? over slip/rs232, of course)
mircea_popescu: yes. yes there was.
asciilifeform: anyone recall what it was ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160039 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 01:20:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
asciilifeform: that you can't squeeze db into a 2g fat16 volume, perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: before bitcoin on pogo looks like eulora/binaries,
asciilifeform: (no prob. write raw blocks)
mircea_popescu: you don't get to start more stuff.
asciilifeform: well that was why -i- didn't do it
asciilifeform: but how about other folks.
mircea_popescu: that's why anyoner's not doing it.
mircea_popescu: gotta focus.
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: i'm still working on porting 0.5.3.1 to IBM i
nubbins`: dat built-in DB.
asciilifeform wonders of which there are more - pogos, or msdos-able boxes
mircea_popescu: ‘There is no right not to be offended’ << this is broken, ftr. "there is no right TO not be offended"
mircea_popescu: pogos.
asciilifeform not so sure of this
asciilifeform: speaking of - when's the last time anyone checked on the warehouse-full-of-pogos thing
asciilifeform: are they still there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's scheduled for after the build's ready to go.
mircea_popescu: there's no point checking in between
asciilifeform will be disappointed if they fly away. because there is not likely to be a reasonable substitute.
asciilifeform: (a $150 box is not a substitute)
nubbins`: until the next time some shit cloud device get liquidated
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mno. they don't overengineer them any more
mircea_popescu: life is what happens while software wasn't ready.
asciilifeform: no more 1G ethernet or sata
asciilifeform: on any of them.
asciilifeform: nor 128 whole megs.
nubbins`: good thing i stocked up :(
asciilifeform: (pogo itself used to come with 256, otherwise identical)
nubbins`: altho i'm somewhat tempted to put my SSD in this disc duplicator instead
asciilifeform: pogo is really a 400 usd widget selling for 20.
nubbins`: but i suppose i should wait and see if that's a necessary thing first.
mircea_popescu: only because it's 2015
mircea_popescu: in 2020 it will be a 1000 usd widget
asciilifeform: aha but 1000 circa 2020 is around what 100 is now.
asciilifeform puts flower on grave of 'moore's law'
nubbins`: any of you familiar with this "M-DISC" technology?
nubbins`: from what i can glean from marketing hype, they use special dvd-rs and ramp up the laser strength to make "permanent" optical media
nubbins`: they keep using phrases like "ETCHED IN STONE" and shit which sounds a bit much
asciilifeform: nubbins`: today, as 10 yrs ago, the basic tech is same. reflective layer, and above it, something that melts
asciilifeform: laser melts hole.
asciilifeform: this layer is typically a dye
asciilifeform: in very spiffy disks (taiyo yuden, afaik, is the -only- remaining maker) it is gold, instead.
asciilifeform: but above the dye (or gold) is still plexiglas
asciilifeform: it is subject to cracking, and chemical reaction with atmosphere over time
nubbins`: yeah
asciilifeform: (why cracking? stress from spinning in drive)
nubbins` has seen a dremel explode a CD
asciilifeform: the '1000 years' thing is utter bunk
asciilifeform: even 10 is pushing it
nubbins`: http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/
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nubbins`: "up to" 1000 years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could make them out of plain glass.
nubbins`: they use the phrase "engraved in stone" a few times
asciilifeform: glass, l0l!
mircea_popescu: gold+glass > lasts forevar.
nubbins`: borosilicate, yo.
asciilifeform: until you drop it
mircea_popescu: do not drop it
mircea_popescu: you can not have EVERYTHING
asciilifeform: or spin it in a drive
mircea_popescu: you can only has the things you choose.
mircea_popescu: it spins ok.
asciilifeform: how about when drive jams.
nubbins`: i actually make my own discs out of bronze backed w/ ultra-black nanoparticles
mircea_popescu: fuck you then.
asciilifeform: and disk gets 50 G's
nubbins`: i wonder how long minidisc media holds onto data?
nubbins` found his minidisc player/recorder yesterday, still works!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: recall mircea_popescu's observation that 'backup is a process not an artifact' ?
nubbins`: it's "magneto-optical" so i'd say fairly transient
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nubbins`: asciilifeform no, but that's sage
asciilifeform: the only backup worth mention appears to be herr torvalds's 'put it on public ftp and have people give a damn and mirror'
mircea_popescu: right. worked splendidly for the literary cannon
mircea_popescu: everyone's read shakespeare. right ?
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i rewrite it about cocks everyone'll know
mircea_popescu: RIGHT ???
asciilifeform: picture if bowdler had lived -today-
mircea_popescu: he does.
asciilifeform: and shakespeare were a www
mircea_popescu: his name is "everyone"
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: i'm drowning in a sea of little bowdlers.
asciilifeform: what would we know of proper shakespeare then
nubbins`: BOWDLER LIVES AND HIS NAME IS MAN
mircea_popescu: we now nothing of proper shakespeare, for this reason.
nubbins`: i learned recently that shakespeare invented the name "jessica"
mircea_popescu: "we don't ban ideas, we just ban anything that's unbowlder, for bowlder is us"
nubbins`: !up allahisgreat2000
allahisgreat2000: Can I ask a question about bitbet here?
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: as-salaam aleikum
nubbins`: oh
nubbins`: i mean
nubbins`: yes
allahisgreat2000: salaam friend
asciilifeform: shakespeare suffers from the other problem of backups, much lamented by astronomy/physics folk crying over old pdp-8 tapes. that is, loss of reading mechanisms...)
allahisgreat2000: I'm having trouble figuring out how weight for a bet is calculated
nubbins`: asciilifeform language in general suffers from loss of reading mechanisms over time
mats: http://blog.wuntee.sexy/reaching-the-mach-layer << artifacts from a different era
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nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: it's sort of complicated, and your odds will change as more people bet
mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 ok, but ask a question.
allahisgreat2000: what stops people from betting more when the results start getting obvious and ruining your bet?
nubbins` seriously considers purchasing a new(er) minidisc player and some more blanks, while he still can
mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 they get lower weight for betting later.
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: generally the weight will decrease as the bet gets closer to close.
asciilifeform: mats: aha, 'microkernel', academitardia circa late '80s-early-'90s that apple folks still live with today.
allahisgreat2000: but you get lower returns as well, even tho you bet early?
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: early bets have higher weight and are therefore worth more.
nubbins`: a last-minute bet will take some of your winnings, yes, but they'd have to bet an enormous amount and get chump change in return
nubbins`: example: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
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nubbins`: that last bet put 8 BTC on the line, but only earned 0.2 BTC
mircea_popescu: lol is that you nubbins` ?
nubbins`: because the weight was so low
nubbins`: mircea_popescu 8)
nubbins`: had to monetize that warrant somehow
allahisgreat2000: the weight depends on time?
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: the earlier 5 BTC bet won ~0.7 BTC
nubbins`: yes.
allahisgreat2000: oh ok
nubbins`: note how the weight is lower for each successive bet
nubbins`: initial bet weight: 100,000
nubbins`: final bet weight: 24,000
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clever.
allahisgreat2000: I'm trying to figure out if there could be a system to combine pool betting and livebetting/betting exchange
asciilifeform: mats: can you believe, they took seriously the idea that process separation (which barely works in 'userland') could apply to device drivers!
asciilifeform: on a machine with von neumann arch, and even things like dma, no less
asciilifeform: what kind of dope it was necessary to smoke, to arrive at this notion, i still do not know.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it took me about a week to figure out the nuts & bolts of it.
mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 see http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/
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nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way
mats: asciilifeform: OSX has so many skeletons, from NeXT, Mach, and the PPC days...
nubbins`: tying up 5 btc for 6 months to earn 0.7 isn't particularly lucrative; if i were to do it again, i'd do a shorter bet
allahisgreat2000: thank you i'll read that
asciilifeform: mats: it is, in practice, the last remaining commercial unix
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/#selection-57.90-59.33 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160714 lawls.☝︎
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assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 14:13:10; nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way
asciilifeform: (there are nominally others but outside of usg you will never see them)
mats: you know you're rich when a 14% ROI over 6mos is considered a weak investment
nubbins`: mircea_popescu living proof :D
mircea_popescu: mats no, actually, that's when you know you're poor.
nubbins`: mats i live the life of the carefree boheme, as alf would put it
mircea_popescu: high percentile and low basis go hand in hand.
mats: :(
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160319 << didn't danielpbarron want it ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 12:18:37; nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days
asciilifeform: nubbins`: carefree l0l. so nubbins` prints because he likes the smell of ink ?
asciilifeform: and for no other reason ?
nubbins`: actually, i print because there's a very basic yet powerful reinforcement in holding something of beauty that you've created with your own hands.
nubbins`: i do, incidentally, like the smell of ink, but only water-based acrylic
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's why boys jack off.
nubbins`: plastisol smells neutral
nubbins`: mircea_popescu yup
mircea_popescu: also why they dislike small penii
asciilifeform: lol, how did it go... 'paul graham: programmers, like painters, like making things. audience wag: so do chickens!'
mircea_popescu: (women, contrary to what they project, would biologically prefer the smaller imposition)
nubbins`: heh
nubbins` imagines that most of the lurkers in here assume he's on welfare
mircea_popescu: weren't you derping about having tenants ?
mircea_popescu: wut welfare is that.
nubbins`: just one tenant now
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: i don't work in tech.
mircea_popescu: do i work in tech ?
nubbins`: not in this sense
mircea_popescu: in other news, MANCAVE!!!1 http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rb04QEVv1qe9d8go1_1280.jpg
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is zoologist, not 'tech'
nubbins`: you're not on social assistance either, which puts you on one of the tails
mircea_popescu: i think "in tech" is one of those, could either be in or out depending where you want to present yourself.
mircea_popescu: are women that live somewhere in the continuum between chattel property and housewife on "some form of social assistance" ?
asciilifeform: recall dijkstra's observation re: how we might regard an astronomer who introduces self as 'working in telescopy' ?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope
mircea_popescu: if not them, why anyone else ?
nubbins`: unless, y'know, the husband is on social assistance.
mircea_popescu: do you mean "centrally planned social assistance" ?
nubbins`: i specifically mean cashing cheques written by gov.
mircea_popescu: why should that make a difference.
nubbins`: !!
mircea_popescu: yes you do, but the model's broken.
nubbins`: that's why they're sitting on irc.
asciilifeform: somewhere, long ago, one fella (lost the link, unfortunately) described the 'in tech' folks as quite like the quasi-retarded assistants in a magic show, who think that the performance is actually -about- the ropes and trap doors
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mircea_popescu: is this going to be a reductio ab coontown argument ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite apt.
mircea_popescu: buncha dumb blondies all over, except they're not so nice to look at anymore.
mircea_popescu: kinda the intension of my old "too dumb to sling dope" piece
nubbins`: i've seen some pret-t-t-t-t-y dumb people sling dope
nubbins`: "smart" ones too
mircea_popescu: not this dumb.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, if your definition of social assistance is "spends govt checks" then everyone in the us is on social assistance, much like everyoner ever in any developed country throughout history, at all points.
asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to write sequel, 'too dumb to build igloos'
mircea_popescu: because essentially what statehood means is this "we band together, get the bison, and then you can have some"
mircea_popescu: so yes roman citizens lived off the imperial dole. but also fought in the wars.
mircea_popescu: and yes the british citizenry lived off the imperial dole. but etc.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as people become unwilling to participate, the dole dries out AND civilisation's gone
mircea_popescu: they go together, these.
nubbins`: my definition is "gov gives you money for not doing anything, and this is your sole source of income"
mircea_popescu: your definition is dumb.
nubbins`: so are most of the people on irc.
mircea_popescu: what is this "not doing anything", and whence it became possible to not do anything.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what if it gives you money through six intermediaries, and instead of 'not doing anything' you have to put on a robe and chant rain prayer every day ?
asciilifeform: then - not 'welfare' ?
nubbins`: what if this discussion devolved to absurdity?
mircea_popescu: good example.
mircea_popescu: it's not absurdity yo. it's just outside of your preconceived outlook.
nubbins`: lel
asciilifeform: it's where i live.
mircea_popescu: take the mental experiment of, two states which each consist of one woman.
mircea_popescu: state a keeps her "on welfare". state b makes her work in the grocery store.
mircea_popescu: i visit. if it's the case that i like the rested look of the woman in a, then state a just scored. no longer welfare.
mircea_popescu: if i like the busy look of woman in b, then b just scored. a is a pos nao shame on it for its moral bending ways.
nubbins` runs out of hands, smacks face on desk
nubbins`: i'm out
mircea_popescu: as you can see, the entire definition rests on what ~i~ prefer,
mircea_popescu: the rich nabob states exist to please.
mircea_popescu: aww, and i didn't even get to inquire if the woman that said "because we are also the only ones who give birth to men." was on welfare or not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever notice how office elevators are not specced to hold grizzly bears ?
asciilifeform: why not ?
mircea_popescu: situation not commonly encountered ?
asciilifeform: to modern schmuck state, a character like mircea_popescu is a wtf, like a grizzly walking streets of new york
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: not even considered as possibility
mircea_popescu: the fact that pubescent girl has not considered the possibility of cock
mircea_popescu: does not mean her cunt is not evolving with deliberate decisiveness towards accomodating it.
mircea_popescu: natural processes contain their ends.
mircea_popescu: this idea that homo artifex and somehow things that are are the result of deliberate reason etc...
mircea_popescu: please. read some code sometime.
asciilifeform: l0l who said 'reason'
mircea_popescu: well then.
asciilifeform: just observing that 'homo welfaricus', male and female, will live and die without encountering mircea_popescu, by approximately same reason as elevator - grizzly.
mircea_popescu: or will they ?
mircea_popescu: i don't have to be encountered directly.
asciilifeform: if indirectly, as 'horseman' of popescucalypse - then surely.
mircea_popescu: this is my objection throughout this conversation : he was cutting the definiton to its first surface, like the people in your magic show. and now you wish to cut interaction to the first branch.
mircea_popescu: i will cloink you all in the head with a taleb hammer
asciilifeform: well, the invocation of stretching gurlz etc. certainly suggested interaction of the flesh-to-flesh kind
asciilifeform: but perhaps i'm just thick
asciilifeform answered door, found gurl pushing jizzus saveth yer soul!!11!1 brochure in his face
asciilifeform: wonder if the knocked next door, and got the fella in the gas mask
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i had my first jehovas a couple days ago
nubbins`: in 4 years of living at this address
asciilifeform: (these are still shoveling. they just brought out a very ornate lamp, covered in grime)
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe it's an episode of hoarders?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the interesting thing is,
asciilifeform: i remarked to the pet: 'my well-informed colleagues explained to me that science knows of three species of hoarders: 'clean,' 'dirty', and 'cat' '
asciilifeform: pet: 'realize that if we died tonight, the entire contents of this room will be carried out in just the same kind of black bags as are stacked over there'
nubbins`: things get tangly exponentially fast with the cat ones
mircea_popescu: i thought iut was "newspaper ; plastic bottle ; other"
asciilifeform: crew will probably not distinguish mountain of circuit boards from the poor old woman's plastic bottles
nubbins`: asciilifeform and they won't even wear spacesuits
asciilifeform: they might, from general sop
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: ahaha woman's wit...
nubbins`: fool me once, etc
asciilifeform: after all, who knows what a hooligan might have
asciilifeform: esp. after they find the pcb etchants etc
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mircea_popescu: time to get satin trims alf.
nubbins`: i wonder what specific changes i'd need to make to print PCBs here
asciilifeform: nubbins`: surprisingly few
nubbins` suspects "more ventilation" is high on the list
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you probably already own 95% of it
mircea_popescu hopes to visit one such house before he dies, where half is all tussled in silks and the other half is roughtly what i imagine alf already built.
mircea_popescu: a happy medium between the hosts.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think solvent inks and a few chems are about all i'd need
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pet is not the 'silks' type
mircea_popescu: something like out of the buttefield 8 interiors.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` by print pcbs do you mean draw on them, ordo you mean etch them ?
asciilifeform: if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet.
nubbins`: draw
nubbins`: ident layer
nubbins`: i'm sure you could also silkscreen etching mask stuff, but sounds nasty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know she's not silks type ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: silkscreen aside, think more 'b&w photography' than printing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do i know that not a dog
mircea_popescu: i think there's a difference between those two is-es
nubbins`: asciilifeform in fact, prepping a screen for printing is very similar to b&w photography.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the silkscreen on pcb is largely optional
nubbins`: mesh is coated with photosensitive emulsion, exposed on light table w/ positive image masked
nubbins`: etc
asciilifeform: (component values help the folks doing the assembly, and has logo of maker, etc.)
nubbins`: nod
asciilifeform: nubbins`: then yes
asciilifeform: can go, do now.
asciilifeform: incidentally everything that is needed for small-scale (onesies-twosies) pcb making fits in a large suitcase
asciilifeform: at least, mine does
nubbins`: fun!
asciilifeform: it is even possible to make proper soldermask (think the green glossy coat on most commercial boards) in jungle conditions, but this, i have not tried.
asciilifeform: need something like the apparatus used to paint car fenders
nubbins`: solder mask can be silkscreened
asciilifeform: can. but any error is disastrous
nubbins`: it's disastrous on a t-shirt too
nubbins`: 8)
asciilifeform: i mean, off by 0.1mm - straight to dump
nubbins` doesn't make errors
nubbins`: i should show you some of the multi-layer prints i've done
asciilifeform: any geometric distortion - straight to dump
asciilifeform: etc.
asciilifeform: but yes, equipment - largely same.
asciilifeform just realized that neighbour's car is still in its place. perhaps she... died ?
nubbins`: oh maybe.
nubbins`: cats almost certainly ate her face, if so
nubbins`: (srs)
asciilifeform: well-known
asciilifeform: (what else are they supposed to eat?)
asciilifeform: snatch first ?
nubbins`: hm, you can silkscreen etch-resist too
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nubbins`: alf HEH
decimation: I read a paper recently that indicated that there was a link between long-term cat ownership and crazy
nubbins` throws paper away and devotes life to producing PCBs
asciilifeform: decimation: the toxoplasma thing ?
asciilifeform: overblown
decimation: yeah I suppose that's the mechanism
decimation: perhaps, but when you are a crazy cat lady with 50 cats...
nubbins`: i think the mechanism is lonely people buy cats and further withdraw
asciilifeform: would be interesting if it worked on people the same way as on rat, though
asciilifeform: causing overwhelming urge to visit the zoo, closer and closer to lions..
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm typing on a genuine model m, it is better than the unicomp
nubbins`: lel
decimation: but it is missing keys
asciilifeform: decimation: get bag of keys on 'ebay'
asciilifeform: or local junk shop.
nubbins`: packs of old ladies circling the shelter all day
decimation: no, no 'meta'
asciilifeform: all model m keys, unlike later kbds, have same geometry
decimation: only alt
asciilifeform: decimation: i assume you remapped capslock
asciilifeform: then ctrl can be meta
decimation: of course
nubbins`: ^ geometry drove me away from DVORAK
decimation: I didn't think of that for some reason
decimation: but the whole point of remapping control is so that you don't cripple pinky
mircea_popescu: so you get meta :D
asciilifeform: i put meta on thumb
decimation: ah right vs left
asciilifeform: which is where 'alt' normally lives
mircea_popescu: you emacs folk really shoulds have pedals
mircea_popescu: there's no way around it
asciilifeform: i have pedals.
decimation: you can buy pedals
mircea_popescu: the REASON it didn't use to be available was pure expense, but now every xbox comes with em
asciilifeform: overrated. find that i don't used them often.
asciilifeform: (reaction time. legs - long.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because they're shitty whole foot pedals
mircea_popescu: try toe pedals.
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: these are proper pedals.
decimation: somehow it works for pianos
decimation: but timing on the 'volume control' in the piano isn't quite as critical
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: http://s192804805.onlinehome.us/ebayimages/lister4_3_14/xl_Kinesis_Savant_AC004PF_(6).jpg << quite like this.
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decimation: nevertheless, the key feel of a real model m is suprerior to unicomp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that looks whole foot to me.
nubbins`: asciilifeform those look largely inefficient
nubbins`: ^^
mircea_popescu: toe pedal. like one of those clickers people use to count crowds ?
asciilifeform: i would like something more like what one finds in an old airplane, yes
asciilifeform: but would have to build this
asciilifeform: (not aware of any commercial supplier)
nubbins`: you need something like a stompbox
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: gotta be digital
mircea_popescu: right, because a clicker's hard nao
asciilifeform: as in, hard transition
nubbins`: stompbox casing w/ whatever switch you like
asciilifeform: can rest foot on it?
decimation: asdf asdfasdfasdfsasdfasdfasdfsdfa~/
decimation: 44444545451234123
decimation: doh sorry for the chan spam
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu was largely correct, one reason i'm not overly fond of this pedal is the difficulty of resting the foot )
nubbins`: how about a sewing machine pedal?
asciilifeform: again, analogue
asciilifeform: i must have the click
nubbins`: kick drum pedal w/ clicky button under the hammer.
decimation: yeah, instant feedback
nubbins`: wait, no
nubbins`: apple "magic mouse" resting on floor.
nubbins`: 8)
asciilifeform: (btw i began with a sewing machine pedal. turns out, they have terrible analogue noise in the switching mechanism )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you could prolly hack a gravimeter off an old "smart"phone and a sock together into an excellent pedal.
asciilifeform: again gotta have the click-snap
mircea_popescu: arbitrarily defined and hten learned
asciilifeform: not enough to just push foot against piece of shit
decimation: without tactile feedback for when shit 'breaks'
asciilifeform: (which is why 'data glove' is lunacy)
mircea_popescu: ah, no, this was for sitting crosslegged
mircea_popescu: and twitch your off the ground foot
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nubbins`: asciilifeform have you considered just mounting a keyboard spring mechanism on a piece of wood and putting a hinged cover on it?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much you folk spend crosslegged tho
nubbins`: you could use your favourite letter.
decimation: what about that guy who did the card-counting scam in the casino
asciilifeform: nubbins`: considered a gigantic version of 'buckling spring' as seen in model m
asciilifeform: but realized that it has to be finely adjustible
decimation: he used a foot-counter of some kind
asciilifeform: decimation: he used a tact switch in his show.
asciilifeform: shoe
nubbins`: asciilifeform put some levelers under the spring mech so you can raise/lower it
asciilifeform: under toe.
nubbins`: even a simple turnscrew
asciilifeform: nubbins`: arrived at this very thing. but did not build, because too few hands.
asciilifeform: it is still on the list.
nubbins`: well :D
decimation: on the other hand, organists play entire keyboard with feet
asciilifeform: decimation: 'not from a good life'
asciilifeform: the instrument demands it.
decimation: go to a church with a proper pipe organ and see
nubbins`: it's true
asciilifeform saw
nubbins`: the hands are just for show
nubbins`: like a conductor
nubbins`: 8)
decimation: not only that but ranks of pull-switches to change voice
asciilifeform: decimation: i recently learned that one of the great theatre organs, 'wurlitzers,' still works!
nubbins`: asciilifeform arcade-style buttons have a nice click and reasonable action
asciilifeform: nubbins`: perhaps when they're new? i don't think i've ever encountered one that wasn't obviously mashed to all hell
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.adrianworks.com/pod/source/image/berkeley-theatre-organ.jpg << these
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWmDM )
nubbins`: http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/610198841_1/50-PCS-lot-America-style-Round-Push-Button-parts-for-arcade-game-machine-white-black-blue.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWkM9 )
decimation: asciilifeform: they are now associated with 'black church music'
nubbins`: i've got a box full of them somewhere
decimation: but used to be common in everyday 'talkie'
nubbins`: nice click. i think they bounce like crazy tho
asciilifeform: http://www.cotps.com/cotps-sold/i205.jpg << percussion section from a 'wurlitzer'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWpPU )
nubbins`: but very satisfying to push
nubbins` frowns, considers building MAME cabinet
decimation: heh that's neat
decimation: obviously the point was to save on labor - 'one man band'
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform bbl
nubbins`: JESUS that's an organ
nubbins`: this is like the analog equivalent of a room-sized Moog
decimation back to the mines...
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160496 << Almost all 'Murican Bison live on closed ranches now, Ted Turner et all. Almost all are genertically 25-50% cow in ancestry☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 13:33:12; asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether
nubbins`: i thought you guys called em buffalo
BingoBoingo: Wild Bison release still largely verboten for the same reason they were eradicated. Transportation issues and can't let the Sioux get a foothold.
mircea_popescu: bison bison is one thing, the us buffalo. bison bonasus is the european guy, like the one discussed above.
mircea_popescu: there is no "bison" outside of this.
mircea_popescu: and bos sp (ie, cows/oxen of all types) hybridize with it.
mircea_popescu: unlike the case with eq. africanus / eq, caballus, the offspring's not usually infertile.
mircea_popescu: (the yak, although long haired, is still a sort of cow, rather than a sort of bison)
nubbins`: theatre organs, who knew
nubbins`: fascinating
BingoBoingo: Oh http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26807
assbot: Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZtLHf )
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated stuff : it is perhaps known by the esteemed audience that the (mostly) lacedemonian cult of hyacinth most likely provided the backing for most of christianity's christ-centric mythology (as opposed to its mary fixations).
mircea_popescu: specifically, this was a very accomplished youth that was disputed by the sun god and the wind god, and favoured the sun god. so the wind god arranged for something to fall on his head.
mircea_popescu: but then he was... reborn.
mircea_popescu: so they had a festival (hyacinthia) which took three days, and the first was mourning, and the 2nd celebration over the alleged rebirth and so on.
mircea_popescu: all this, a good five to ten centuries before jewish sect split off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18774 @ 0.00037137 = 6.9721 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and the spartans took breaks from their wars to go back and celebrate... hyacinthsmas.
mircea_popescu: !up ksipax
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo haha ocol
pete_dushenski: lol hyacinthmas !
pete_dushenski: i could see secular post-post-modern version being 'narcissismas'
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe << mystery "firefox 29" version from oldapps.com hosted
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZBLc )
pete_dushenski: i also found that the winbloze "firefox 29" links to... the exact same mystery file
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/want-high-end-flight-sim-pedals-put-500-in-a-polish-bank-account-and-contact-slaw/
assbot: Want high-end flight sim pedals? Put $500 in a Polish bank account and contact Slaw | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZK1q )
pete_dushenski: in the 20-odd other versions i checked, all the others linked to the expected file
mircea_popescu: haha narcissismas works
mircea_popescu: "at this sacred time of the year we go back home to be by ourselves)
pete_dushenski: "on our phones. in front of the mirror. while sitting on the shitter."
pete_dushenski: "it's how we remember where we came from and where we're going"
pete_dushenski: in other news, inflation strikes mozilla : "Mozilla has more than doubled the cash rewards under its dusty bug bounty to beyond $10,000."
pete_dushenski: up from $3k 5 years ago
BingoBoingo: Ok they keep rolling in http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26810
assbot: Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0EuH )
mircea_popescu: lmao
pete_dushenski: hahaha notbad
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc87lbpH7r1rsl8k7o1_500.gif << woman's shadow, greatly exceeds the size of the woman
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0YcV )
pete_dushenski: guy watching shadow out of corner of his eye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00036224 = 11.2838 BTC [-] {2}
scoopbot_revived: Exodus From New York Begins http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-new-york-begins/
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell copypaste nice work https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHOBXVZVIAAMylU.png:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsRGPN )
pete_dushenski: "the fledgling accountless Bitcoin gaming site Satoshi Dice lead it to a long reign" << BingoBoingo wordiness aside, it's missing "and"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Fixed, pete_dushenski but instead of "and" fixed it with "ing"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: also "as the most popular Bitcoin gambling sites of the time." << mixing singular and plural
mircea_popescu: i can't read that fuckin ss. can't it be a log in text format like with sane ppls.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: copypaste twatter'd it as an image
BingoBoingo: Basically copypaste pointed out reddit users are cuckolds who just take it
mircea_popescu: anyway, copypaste has it. "adjusting to circumvent the rules" is more empowering of the idiots than actually following the rules. NO. let them go hang with their rules.
mircea_popescu: david thorne basically has it : http://www.27bslash6.com/massanutten.html
assbot: Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMHJ0r )
mircea_popescu: Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority, I will continue to secure trash correctly.
mircea_popescu: there shall be no toleration of improper authority.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59176 @ 0.00036591 = 21.6531 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html << look at that, he updated.
assbot: "How is this an issue? Just ask ten fucking interview questions." ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsVCjq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40367 @ 0.00038149 = 15.3996 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: "I have also heard that music soothes the savage beast but the last time I sang Whitney Houston's 'The Greatest Love of All' to my offspring, it had the opposite effect despite what I considered to be an excellent reproduction of her tonal range." << combined with dog/bear in jeep and... i died !
BingoBoingo: Have an actual zippo now apparently there is something 'Murica still manufacters well http://imgur.com/y8raHin
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWggS )
pete_dushenski: "I know someone who contracted Ross River Virus several years ago and he needs to be pushed around in a wheel-chair, moaning the whole time about his joints and inadequate ramp access. I visited him in his ground-floor apartment once but it was a miserable and forced conversation so I told him I had a present for him in the car and went to get it. Then drove home."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12653 @ 0.00038149 = 4.827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00036061 = 38.1886 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: http://gschoppe.com/embedded/the-anonybox-squid-socks-and-openvpn-all-for-15/
assbot: The AnonyBox – Squid, SOCKS, and OpenVPN, all for $15 | Gschoppe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWVia )
pete_dushenski: quite the little spread between bid/ask on mpoe these last few days.
BingoBoingo: Oh, reddit banned an subreddit dedicated to actual whale watching thinking it was a part of the fat hate movement https://archive.is/nsZKC
assbot: whalewatching ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMJUkr )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im surprised he's not a lot more widely known.
mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan
pete_dushenski: he's... not ?!
mircea_popescu: i dunno
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha
pete_dushenski: i came across thorne a few years back when a friend bought me a collection of his stories
pete_dushenski: epic lulzfest
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and i expect reddit admins don't now self ban for the whale watching incident because while they don't ban ideas but actiosn, nevertheless their own actions are extempt, because
mircea_popescu: "io was just doing my job"
pete_dushenski: pretty sure i mentioned and sourced (at least) one of his pieces for a contravex article a few months back
mircea_popescu: ie, to the bureaucrat's mind, HE is the only one entitled to be in the world (on account of his job)
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: everyone else - just a guest here.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what we'll be doing to them.
mircea_popescu: everyone ELSE is entitled to be here
mircea_popescu: but bureaucrats have no civil rights
mircea_popescu: you feel rapey one morning, rape a cop.
mircea_popescu: that's what they're there for.
BingoBoingo: This seems to be the reddit's last inflection point on the digg curve https://archive.is/p72br
assbot: all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKpuK )
pete_dushenski: the world must conform to the bureaucrat's 'ideas', namely, the words scrawled on the 'regulation' piece of paper
pete_dushenski: though they have no idea from whence these words came
pete_dushenski: 'mana from heaven'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the funny thing is, they watched the internet completely destroy the journalism business model, 1990-2010
pete_dushenski: "you should be grateful"
mircea_popescu: and did not for a second realise that... guess who's next ?
mircea_popescu: as they say, if you don't know who's next.... you're next.
punkman: oh a new one http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html
assbot: It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKv5A )
pete_dushenski: "first they came for... etc"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bureaucrats probably assumed they could throw manufacturing under the bus next
pete_dushenski: perhaps academia
mircea_popescu: except nobody asks them :)
pete_dushenski: true !
BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: simple enough mechanism, i guess
pete_dushenski: not a car, dishwasher, etc
BingoBoingo: My though is maybe the manufactering setup is too expensive to move?
pete_dushenski: also, smokers are a traditional bunch, not looking for bluetooth connectivity on their zippo
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: more likely brand value of "made in usa" and sufficiently cheap labour (non-union)
BingoBoingo: yes we are
BingoBoingo: Well the thing is stamped pennsylvania so likely union
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo could be a case of brazil made but well hidden fact fraud. how do you know it's us made ?
BingoBoingo: that is a point
BingoBoingo: Can't find anything online about the great zippo layoff though
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160746 << 'majority' is only 51%, even though i agree that 'direct welfare' is an awful definition☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 14:19:43; nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance
mircea_popescu: in any case, i'll make the point that i am not at all against welfare, but i am dead-stone-cold against the state having anything to do with it.
mircea_popescu: it's a source of power for it that it should never even dream of, and it's a source of moral hazard for society the likes of which can not even be described.
nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt0jK5 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: welfare, like ownership of women and children, should be strictly in the hands of the citizenry.
mircea_popescu: (the two incidentally are not at all that distinct, welfare and ownership of people as things)
pete_dushenski: just found a curious bug in search.b-a : if the search contains the '%' symbol, clicking 'next page' sends you back to the blank search homepage
pete_dushenski: ^kakobrekla
pete_dushenski: not necessarily a big deal, just to note.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so it's in the state's interest to maximise welfare distribution
pete_dushenski: as it would be for any private citizen
mircea_popescu: well, it baloons because the state doesn't have to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: if i got to sign checks off your bank account, i could probably have enough "friends" to fill your house with drunks.
pete_dushenski: whereas a citizen is limited by his own pocketbook, right.
mircea_popescu: if you also gotta make that money first...
mircea_popescu: as shown by the relative rarity of homeowners filling thew place with drunks.
mircea_popescu: (rent!=ownership here)
pete_dushenski: which gives us "low-income/social" housing
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29077 @ 0.00036356 = 10.5712 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161149 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:43:17; nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V
nubbins`: i believe you requested this a while back
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 360488 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
pete_dushenski: none...
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 383308350.87
pete_dushenski: mhm.
ascii_field: nubbins`: i'm out here sans key
ascii_field: will have to look, later
nubbins`: a treat for later
ascii_field: ok
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: afaik NOBODY makes good digital pedals
ascii_field: (entirely not same animal as racing or flightsim pedals)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Ah digital. yeah that's analog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038149 = 9.8806 BTC [+]
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161101 << wai wat, of what ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:30:29; mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: of the thorne guy
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
assbot: "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt4Wnr )
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161134 << what's it, a bottle of petrol and a flint ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:36:46; BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made
ascii_field: archetypically american archaicism
ascii_field: (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's a wick that runs through a course of rayon balls soaked in naptha
BingoBoingo: Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker
BingoBoingo: Not a single moving part or wear item that isn't user servicable
BingoBoingo has used butane lighters for the longest time, almost always disposable. The refilable ones don't tend to last.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i often find these on the pavement. when turned over, they invariably read 'made in china'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00036392 = 6.1502 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I've had previous lighters of the zippo form before , but they almost always leaked within weeks of purchase
BingoBoingo: And if Imma smoke cigarettes I don't want my meat becoming a fire hazard
nubbins`: ascii_field "fake zippos" are plentiful and outnumber the real ones thousands to one
nubbins`: "real zippos" come with lifetime warranties, and if you mail them a broken zippo from 1930 they'll fix it for free
nubbins`: and truly are windproof
nubbins`: i can hold one 6" from my face and empty my lungs at it without extinguishing the flame
BingoBoingo has been lighing cigarettes in front of fans in awe. I don't know what I was missing with "Bic"
nubbins`: that said, the ubiquitous Bic lighter is a marvel in its own right
BingoBoingo: It is. Bic will probably remain my lighter for driving
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: why not the electric lighter built into the car?
BingoBoingo: My beloved Saturn, which has forded floods and traversed cornfields... lacks one
BingoBoingo: Instead it has utility plug which rejects replacement lighters
BingoBoingo: Just refuses to heat them
ascii_field: wai wat, how ?!
BingoBoingo: I dunno how, but I've tried.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: contact the dealership
BingoBoingo: Maybe some Z80 motherfucker detects the resistance of a lighter
nubbins`: my car also has a "power outlet" w/ no lighter
nubbins`: but those things suck anyway
nubbins`: dodgy to use
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Dealership was rental place which rented car previously
BingoBoingo: !up mixdio
nubbins`: just as likely for the cig to stick to the coil and you end up with a hot cherry in your lap
nubbins`: plus they get dirty w/ ash etc
nubbins`: about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Yeah in previous car I disliked it. Cig sticks the thing stays hot so potential disaster if dropped. No point in it if it can only be safely used while parked or staopped
nubbins`: i dropped the car lighter once while driving, had to pull over
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home << have done this numberous times. Works splendidly
nubbins`: works splendidly but i bet you swore for a bic each time
BingoBoingo: Nah, only most times. Most times did it as a party trick for visiting smoker guests.
nubbins`: all this talk of smoking
nubbins`: :/
ascii_field: in other news,
ascii_field: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC3860B1F474ECBA8A5E4B3EE68EC611E2A60731994E56C22070EC864766D4A6
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9wC0 )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9zOi )
BingoBoingo pretty sure he has figured out the part of leak resistance most zippo clones neglect.
BingoBoingo: combination of plated brass case and steel fuel holding insert is the trick (beyond measurements)
nubbins`: brass and steel huh
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well think about the metals in terms on conparatice hardness and their willingness to flex
nubbins`: i will do no such thing!
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
assbot: Medical marijuana legal in all forms, Supreme Court rules - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbmTF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00036801 = 10.2675 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: fine, the outer case is a plated flexible Brass, the inner insert is rigid steel. There is a taper and ring combination between the case and inset that is tight to non-polar fluids. Aluminum on aluminum and Zamac on Zamac don't accomplish this. <<< ATTN CHINESE COUNTERFEITERS PLS ACK
nubbins`: related:
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/my-qp-why-does-my-child-have-to-smoke-his-medical-marijuana-1.2841202
assbot: My QP: Why does my child have to smoke his medical marijuana? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbQcm )
nubbins`: 10yo kid has severe epilepsy, weed reduces their frequency by 99%, kid is not permitted to eat hash brownie
nubbins`: MUST smoke joint
nubbins`: (until today!)
BingoBoingo: Brass though generaly a useful metal. doesn't spark.
nubbins`: "We will continue to combat it. We will continue our anti-drug strategy, we will target youth with the message that marijuana pot is bad for them," the minister said.
nubbins`: marijuana pot is bad for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00035513 = 7.6886 BTC [-]
jurov hits nubbins` into the head with the pot
jurov: BAD FOR YA, I TOLD YOU
BingoBoingo may be wrong about bimetallic theory, 0.5 BTC is too much to test at the moment http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023714
assbot: Zippo - Slim® (Style #1500-000038-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCCHV1 )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up allahisgreat2000
allahisgreat2000: ty
BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: Further BitBet questions?
allahisgreat2000: yes
jurov: ;;seen yhwh
gribble: I have not seen yhwh.
BingoBoingo: !up BoobBarker
jurov: ;;seen yhwh_
gribble: yhwh_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <yhwh_> tight
BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: continue
allahisgreat2000: I just wanted to ask why the provision is so low
BingoBoingo: Which provision?
allahisgreat2000: the 1 %
allahisgreat2000: bitbet takes
BingoBoingo: Because some bets get BIG
kakobrekla: cheap whores
BingoBoingo: ;;google biggest bets on Bitbet
gribble: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/>; BitBet: <https://bitbet.us/>; BitBet history on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/>
BingoBoingo: But yes also cheap whores
allahisgreat2000: oh nice
allahisgreat2000: someone lost 400,000 dollars hahahahahha
allahisgreat2000: I can't help but laugh
allahisgreat2000: sorry
jurov: wait till you lose big on "easy" bets
kakobrekla: jus bet on no
allahisgreat2000: basically
allahisgreat2000: just bet against bitcoin and you're fine
jurov: do is mell martingale?
BingoBoingo: Not always bet against bitcoin, and not always on no
allahisgreat2000: why did some bets get so much popularity
BingoBoingo: ;;google bitbet worth more than satoshi dice
gribble: Satoshi Dice - The Biggest Bitcoin Game in the World: <https://www.satoshidice.com/>; NEXT: 06-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014 >; A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/>
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:bitbet.us bitbet worth more than satoshi dice
gribble: BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5043 @ 0.00035513 = 1.7909 BTC [-]
allahisgreat2000: are there other sites like bitbet?
BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/
assbot: BitBet - BitBet will we worth more than Satoshi Dice :: 3.92 B (18%) on Yes, 17.83 B (82%) on No | closed 1 year 11 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MthlHX )
BingoBoingo: Not really
allahisgreat2000: if not they could probably raise to 5%, I don't think it would seriously set people back from betting
allahisgreat2000: and that's 5x the profit
allahisgreat2000: just my 2 percent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00035874 = 4.8789 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: Well, the thing is since they already get betting volume 1% keeps away erstwhile competitors
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 0.5 btc too much for lighter, then 50 btc is right out eh. http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023765
assbot: Zippo - Classic (Style #195-001-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtjCTx )
pete_dushenski: hm. lighter or mpex seat.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Indeed
allahisgreat2000: bitbet trades on mpex
allahisgreat2000: is it a registered company?
allahisgreat2000: or how does it work
pete_dushenski: in other news, rupert murdoch stepped down as ceo of 21st century fox today
allahisgreat2000: i'll try to google it I guess
BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: It trades is registered on MPEx
allahisgreat2000: it trades as a registered company itself?
pete_dushenski: allahisgreat2000: being traded on mpex is a registration of sorts unto itself
pete_dushenski: arguably the one and only (tm)
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker << this. butane sucks.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck uses them for for what.
BingoBoingo: I mean the butane torch lighters are cool... until they need refilled
allahisgreat2000: why does mpex has such a poor layout?
mircea_popescu: because you're new and have nfi.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
allahisgreat2000: it's still shitty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15719 @ 0.00036532 = 5.7425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: M * 193 ? heh
TheNewDeal: for the lelz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2CEJb4oyY
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BingoBoingo: <allahisgreat2000> why does mpex has such a poor layout? << easy to parse
mircea_popescu: ftr i'd rather not see more from this derp this year.
BingoBoingo: yeah
mircea_popescu: "oh raise it 5x it'd raise 5x and wouldn't lower 5x just my 2%" he should probably target young people with pot messages.
nubbins`: so i now have "concierge service" with the royal canadian mint
nubbins`: o.O
mircea_popescu: either that or he's one of those people who've been targetted by ministers
mircea_popescu: which IS bad for them
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: add an item to the 'civilization no longer knows how to make these not be garbage' list: logic analyzers...
mircea_popescu: the jury's still out on weed. but fucking ministers are HORRIBLE for youth
nubbins`: i'll be the first to say weed messes kids up
nubbins`: i guess i won't be the first.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc1pvnNEvi1r3si7eo1_500.gif << liek fresh apple pie
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtnAvw )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18710 @ 0.00036532 = 6.8351 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: speaking of fresh. Yesterday was quite the day in fresh news
mircea_popescu: wha happened ?
TheNewDeal: 4 articles published
TheNewDeal: and I think 3 were in a matter of a few hours
mircea_popescu: o you mean qntra ?
TheNewDeal: well I said news, of course
TheNewDeal: whats the 1 day record?
mircea_popescu: might have been... gotta consult teh experts.
TheNewDeal: looks like feb 18th might have it
TheNewDeal: scratch that
mircea_popescu: so why not write one an' help the records along?
TheNewDeal: oO
BingoBoingo: If I remember right 5-ish was the record
TheNewDeal: Oct 9th, 2013 - (11)
TheNewDeal: I had an idea for one titled the U.S. War on Crptography, but it started looking like garbage to me. Might have to go back for a rewrite
mircea_popescu: the first 10`000 or so rewrites are always the hardest
mircea_popescu: you go numb after that.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
mircea_popescu: !up goregrind
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Instead of big sweeping pieces it is easier to start with smaller ones that lead to a big sweeping piece later. It is alwas possible to cite oneself later
TheNewDeal: not a bad idea
TheNewDeal: Although I think I'm slightly braindamaged and forget how to find real news. Where exists real breaking news these days, outside of the propaganda machine?
TheNewDeal: the blagosphere?
BingoBoingo: AH, actual news is hard to find
jurov: if you do stuff, real news will find you
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal actually, you could go ask people things.
mircea_popescu: take random "event" as reported by the noisemakers, ask the people involved intelligent questions, write down their answers.
mircea_popescu: can't miss. nobody in "journalism" has asked an intelligent question since that time in 1996 that chick asked me if she may suck my cock.
jurov: lol as today, due to my stint at hard-of-hearing nonprofit (now defunct, but my phone is still listed on only non-derpy slovak website related to hearing disability)
jurov: i got a call from immigration police
jurov: "we have sme deaf ukrainians here, we dun know wtf to do"
kakobrekla: did you tell em they are just pretending
mircea_popescu: ^
jurov: heh i had to explain them twice why the sign language may be different here and there, their manner convinced me they are genuine cops
mircea_popescu: not the cops. the ukrs.
jurov: oh. never occurred to me
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20563 @ 0.00036532 = 7.5121 BTC [+]
jurov: but i meant that as illustration for TheNewDeal that if you get involved, things happen. soe are ordinary, like this, some are newsworthy, like eulora
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for your qntsideration http://dpaste.com/1W2XWE9.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GACt0x )
TheNewDeal: ahhh
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
scoopbot_revived: 17-year-old Virginian Pleads Guilty to Tweeting About Bitcoin and ISIS http://qntra.net/2015/06/17-year-old-virginian-pleads-guilty-to-tweeting-about-bitcoin-and-isis/
pete_dushenski: ^another poor kid signed the papers
mircea_popescu: "using the only and only cryptocurrency" ?
pete_dushenski: hm. "one and only"
pete_dushenski: please to fix BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: only^2 !!
pete_dushenski: 1 is the onliest number
BingoBoingo: fxd
pete_dushenski: cheers
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/5iYsa
assbot: Reminder that Ellen Pao, reddit's CEO, demanded $2.7M to not appeal lost gender discrimination lawsuit, exactly the same amount her husband owes in legal fees for his Ponzi scheme case : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8gi3R )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha good one.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra ?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You want a first qntra scoop? There's reddit drama!
mircea_popescu: a large piece about what a piece of human refuse pao is, and what a huge turd everything ycombinator touches turns out, and specifically about what a failed human being altgman is and what a morally repugnant schmoe graham is for allowing the charade to continue
mircea_popescu: would kinda hit the spot.
mircea_popescu: people kinda need to hear about all this filth.
mircea_popescu: lest they end up believing "professional" is something other than "toilet clogged with nail polish on"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00036801 = 2.0241 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St98rOLZlEs
assbot: The Wire - English Motherfucker - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GADOVm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036637 = 6.2283 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: ?
kakobrekla: nvm
TheNewDeal: Think I'm going to have a heater here. Might take a month or so
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Nah, gotta work on that speed
TheNewDeal: qualitay is the game
TheNewDeal: Learned that as a Green Belt(tm) ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00037417 = 9.8781 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure
TheNewDeal: Not indicating yours are low quality, just want to find my own niche
BingoBoingo: Well there's seriously the reddit thing if you want low hanging fruit.
mircea_popescu: pretty ripe, height irrespective.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mats, anybody remotely else: does anybody on the planet sell a logic analyzer that isn't an utter piece of shit?
ascii_field: for any price ?
mircea_popescu: define ?
ascii_field: 1) 500MHz+ 2) no winblows, on the analyzer OR pc end 3) pisses out capture to pc at channel rate
jurov: usb tv tuner not suitable?
jurov: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
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thestringpuller: how is Voorhees operating a business in new york when he defected and moved to panama to avoid US taxes?
jurov: thestringpuller: very ethically
ascii_field: thus far i can't even find a supplier who will guarantee two out of these three
ascii_field: (#2 is not negotiable, the thing feeds into an automated system)
ascii_field pronounces curse on the lying pieces of shit who built the chinese instrument he is presently attempting to use
ascii_field: everything they make is an electronic equivalent of 'gutter oil.' EVERYTHING.
ascii_field: jurov: not logic analyzer!!!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field something like Saleae Pro 8 Logic ?
jurov: anything that takes samples at requested rates can be repurposed to logical analyzer. or, educate me.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a turd
mircea_popescu: nevertheless it is 5msamples and iirc os ?
ascii_field: jurov: needs not only an input buffer that lets you define the 'high' and 'low' voltage, but a gigantic sram buffer for the bits
ascii_field: and a very fast connection (pci, or usb3 at the minimal) to pc
ascii_field: otherwise you only get fraction of a second 'blast'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we considered salae thing. vastly underpowered, and (last checked) requires use of their app
mircea_popescu: i don't really recall how that was left. hazy memory at best.
jurov: that yes... if you insist on capturing long sequences at >500MHz at such constraints... God help you.
ascii_field: jurov: i'd be satisfied if the boxes which claimed 100, actually did anything near.
jurov: what if you buy 100 of these dongles and instruct them to fire sequentially?
ascii_field: jurov: that is PRECISELY why the chinese unit sucks
ascii_field: that's what it does.
ascii_field: trick is that the phases -never- line up.
mircea_popescu: ahh
jurov: lolk
ascii_field: 1024 chickens
ascii_field: cannot equal the ox.
mircea_popescu: the phases will never line up for stuff to do with planck's constant
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: more elementarily, for stuff to do with chineseness
ascii_field: we are working well below ultimate physical limits here
mats: ascii_field: for generic high speed stuff, get a Rigol oscope and write your own tools?
mircea_popescu: i am pretty sure you won't find a unit with 8 gb ddram which reads at 500mhz and stores 16 seconds for you.
ascii_field: mats: that's what i have!!!!
ascii_field: it's a fucking turx
ascii_field: turd
mats: bummer
ascii_field: 500mhz/1chan/16sec ~= 1000 MByte.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how about connecting it straight to the cpu ?
ascii_field: input would have to be processed in 1 cycle
ascii_field: then you have idiocies like interrupts, dram wait states...
mircea_popescu: hm
trinque: something keeps knocking that guy offline
mircea_popescu: but you don't really care WHICH seconds you capture, as long as you capture some ?
ascii_field: no
mircea_popescu: just write a driver for it as if it were i dunno, an ethernet
ascii_field: gotta capture a particular span of time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0003647 = 14.0774 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: again, there can be no variation in the latency of the capture
trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FD6NBK.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65rmY )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?
ascii_field: the reason i even tell this story is that i sorta realized that logic analyzers don't actually exist
ascii_field: and that the instruments sold under this label are apparently a cheap fraud
mircea_popescu: seem some pretty heavy constraints
mats: here we go again
jurov: trinque this is wiki material
trinque: I dun haz an account
trinque: jurov: that's for mod6 who is writing up something more fleshed out
jurov: still nice to have, ask kakobrekla for acct
ascii_field: looked at how logic analyzer is typically built, and was immediately struck by the idiocy of it using synchronous logic
ascii_field: i.e. sampling at fixed frequency
danielpbarron: http://gfy.com/20496100-post1.html >> I am selling my account on Agora as well as all my inventory. I simply don't have the time to be packing up orders and running out to the post office a couple times a week. I will also reveal my sources for all these items. I have almost 1000 transactions on there and have a feedback rating of 4.68 out of 5.
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ascii_field: i fail to see any reason why it isn't instead a series of registers clocked asynchronously by the inputs, causing a single time-stamp reg to be shifted out the arse end upon any transition
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so you wanna buy it ?
danielpbarron: buy what? this dude's agora account? no
mircea_popescu: ascii_field hm.
ascii_field: yes, engineers say 'we hate clock domain transitions.' well, motherfuckers can dig for uranium in butugychag until they learn to ~like~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28903 @ 0.0003723 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: have a pic of a suspender bra instead. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma98asTIHd1r6ppbno1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65RtB )
ascii_field: l0l
mats: http://www.msreverseengineering.com/blog/2015/6/9/x86-trivia-for-nerds
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ascii_field was expecting a '#26: if you can answer all of these, your life is a waste. eat your Luger.'
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: danielpbarron re: account sale lel
mats: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59650 @ 0.00037013 = 22.0783 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00035513 = 15.4837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00035945 = 15.1688 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.25362132 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/226HVEM.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7u53x )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/109VEQM.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6IoOI )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 77.96824298 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share
shinohai: 15 sats per share o my https://i.imgur.com/ZNMF05U.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6JvxG )
trinque: that time I clicked a shinohai link in public
trinque: no regrets
shinohai: #yolo
shinohai: If I could figure out how to marry my love of porn to btc I might make something
mircea_popescu: nice girl.
jurov: shinohai perhaps you can make 3d models for eulora?
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone has noticed yet the girls have no underwear and if you fiddle the camera there's an anus shot ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/01/blockchain_app_shows_how_not_to_code << did we do this lul ?
assbot: Android Bitcoin wallet Blockchain was briefly borked • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8QEvR )
ascii_field: ^ not to be confused with the -last- time this happened
mircea_popescu: sort-of
trinque: what the fuck, blockchain was/is using somebody else's API for "random" data?
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works trinque m'boy.
ascii_field: again, not to be confused with the time they used defective rng on android proper
mircea_popescu: gottra love all these "A second programming error"
danielpbarron: jurov> http://www.explo.yt/eulora_rec_9.png this camera angle was mircea's idea, eh?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8RfOb )
trinque: criminals everywhere, man
mircea_popescu: yet blockchain.org is different from daybitrade.com because... oh right, because meni rosenfeld doesn't own the wsj. that's all.
kakobrekla: it was bitdaytrade :)
mircea_popescu: ahaha win
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a right.
kakobrekla: the famous AA.
mircea_popescu: jurov next you run into me in game remind me to give you a coin for teh pervshot lol
trinque: dude this is rank bullshit
trinque: there's no way they were feeding the http status code into their thing as the random dada
trinque: *data
kakobrekla: intval($result) gets you that prolly
trinque: good god
trinque: it probably does
trinque: who knows, criminal either way
trinque: I find it hard to believe that these guys were doing http by opening a socket if they're lazy and stupid enough to use random.org
trinque: can't think of a http lib that doesn't give you the http request already parsed and parceled
trinque: *response
jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try
BingoBoingo: especially if phone camera picture is taken in memory palace
jurov: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/29700DS.txt )
trinque: jurov: pic ends up automatically uploaded to g+/fb/whatever
trinque: derpy user cries that the world is hard and where's his mother
jurov: no, barcode readers can use camera without pic being uploaded wherever
trinque: ah you're right
BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.
BingoBoingo: It should really be a stretch to say memory palace's configuration has geometry.
BingoBoingo: In twatter news Costolo is out, Dorsey is back in
BingoBoingo: Can't make it easy to have the entire memory palace plucked out of the brian in one go
jurov: wait and how it depends on gemetry?
jurov: *geometry
BingoBoingo: jurov: Simple geometries are easy to read, this is why the weak and vulnerable make headgear out of tinfoil. To truly build a quality memory palace which resists attack one must channel their inner dank and vexual
mircea_popescu: who's costolo ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The current twatter CEO
mircea_popescu: aok
BingoBoingo: Dorsey was one of the founders who also did the Derpy Square thing
jurov: you mean by reading brainwaves?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Or however it is to be done.
trinque: >channel their inner dank and vexual
mircea_popescu: ya
trinque: lol
kakobrekla: even i dont get that and i have been here the longest
BingoBoingo: Before accessible crypto people kept their secrets by hiding them.
BingoBoingo: Of course this could just be yesterday's vodka I was too sleep to drink them talking
BingoBoingo: Also this exists http://bookofbrodin.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_Brodin_Wiki
assbot: Book of Brodin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXVTb )
mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch
mircea_popescu: because totally, nobody else read the same pulp he did.
BingoBoingo: The last thing a memory palace should resemble is literature of language
trinque: wtf is a memory palace
trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci << ah
assbot: Method of loci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMTZhc )
shinohai: [nsfw] http://40.media.tumblr.com/e519c4ed50ffa69050141ba100ee25cf/tumblr_njyh5jfQYw1ssvqz2o2_540.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMUbgt )
trinque: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/11/military-leaders-debate-US-escalation-in-Iraq.html << empire's headed back to die there, I guess
assbot: Military leaders debate US escalation in Iraq | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwYvjO )
BingoBoingo: trinque: Because the first and second times were not enough
trinque: BingoBoingo: we'll unite the middle east (against us) yet
BingoBoingo: I dunno, if hitler couldn't unite all of Isaac's brothers I doubt Obola can unite all of Esau's
scoopbot_revived: Butterfield 8 http://trilema.com/2015/butterfield-8/