mircea_popescu: not in bitcoin, not in the world, not in any sense. they're here for feedstock and no more.
mircea_popescu: i gotta say ... that's some gnarly shit. is this how sql actually works ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: no! dear god no!
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah for the like operator
mircea_popescu: there's like 100 of them in there, that should be pretty wild to run
trinque: the sad thing about sql is it tried to be an end user programming language
trinque: behind that mess is an utterly elegant data model
trinque: really relational algebra's the thing, not sql, and someone should redo the former sans the latter
trinque: the idea was accountants or somesuch would be able to write SQL
Naphex: mircea_popescu: whats dummer is that looks like a table for machine learning
Naphex: and its using sql for that
trinque: Naphex: neh your thing just needs to be smart enough to make its own tables, relational can do runtime structure creation just fine
trinque: the system catalog is there for a reason
davout: CASEs in SQL queries, my eyes burn
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you and your altcoin coverage!!
trinque: I had a mentor burn rdbms into my mind indelibly; it's as right and overlooked as lisp
cazalla: BingoBoingo, but you encouraged him! i'm not too fussed on altcoins but i would've made mention how foolish redditors were to believe a jew was going to give away 5 million
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife?
davout: trinque: a lot of rdbms will let you do relational algebra, it's just that people don't use it
trinque: davout: well shit, a lot of derps try to turn it into a key value store
trinque: and all kinds of other foot-blown-off scenarios
trinque: incidentally postgresql spanks the ass off any other kv store on earth
jurov: mircea_popescu: that was *enterprise* sql
davout: trinque: how do you even use that kind of stuff, does it give you tools to actually filter on the json object?
davout: iirc mssql also had the kind of native stuff for xml
jurov: davout yes it does
jurov: with indexes, everything
trinque: postgres ate yer mongo, postgres ate yer couch
trinque: postgres slapped your mother, postgres fucked your spouse
mats: mongo was never good
trinque: mats: reasoning of "json therefore..."
mats: says the db guy i work with, anyway.
trinque: any new database will incrementally do the things sql already did
trinque: or kick them to the app layer where those idiots will do even worse
trinque: constraints, indexes, transactions, etc etc
davout: sure, lets use uuids as primary keys
trinque: this idea for example that schema's too hard! the fuck?! like building the lack of schema into each query isn't infinitely worse?
trinque: and you can write dynamic code even that will build out schema for you because there's a system catalog to reference
trinque: ^ most underused feature of SQL there is
trinque: I once wrote a thing that'd dynamically generate schema for production rules of a given grammer given the relational representation of that grammar, and a dynamic to-string in the other direction
jurov: schema is subject to change irl and there be dragons. but i presume with btc it isn't a problem, no changes expected
trinque: having that you can write queries which output things which can be inserted into the writable system catalog
jurov: okay let's not go overboard with this :)
trinque: jurov: what, writing wads of plpgsql to do it is better?
trinque: being able to declaratively modify schema was incredible
trinque: too bad the owner of the biz thought money was filthy
jurov: 90% of migrations isn't about schema, but about data
trinque: I also jacked git into postgres and did an automatic migrations system
trinque: via a foreign data wrapper
trinque: given the right set of first principles in a system so many things become trivial
jurov: looks like sqlalchemy
trinque: yeh I don't tend to like these middle layers
davout: Naphex: looks like derpy ruby :D
trinque: I'm oop racist so don't mind me
Naphex: davout: hehe, a bit maybe. because of the method chaining
davout: Naphex: filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE) <<< this
trinque: jeez is that java lambda syntax?
trinque: ampersand colon fuck my life question mark
davout: each time i hear about java i can't help but picture these SomeObjectFactoryBuilder.getObjectFactory().getObject()
trinque: I don't see why we're still doing objects
trinque: shitty dispatch, shitty scoping tool, shitty ....
davout: trinque: that & is just a pointer to function
davout: the ? is here just to troll you, because question marks are allowed in function names
trinque: hey that doesn't even make me mad
trinque: ! for side effects, ? for booleans, seems fine to me
Naphex: i'm actually liking the lambda syntax :D
Naphex: (Person p) -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25
trinque: how dare these languages steal fire from the gods and claim it as their own
davout: p.male? && p.can_drink? && !p.wrinkly? <<< ruby is better
trinque: python's my default slumming language
trinque: long as you never write "class" you'll survive
davout: BingoBoingo: is this dog?
jurov: Person.query.filter(Person.gender== Person.Sex.MALE && p.age >= 18 && p.age <= 25)
davout: BingoBoingo: hah yeah, i didn't notice at first but it does look like it
davout: it's cute and scary at the same time
trinque: face of "this is what your human hubris has wrought"
assbot: This Couple Thought They'd Adopted a Mini Pig—But It Turned Out to Be a 650 Pound Porker - Esther the Wonder Pig - Country Living ... (
http://bit.ly/1HnlnU9 )
trinque: ...canadians, they're probably vegan
trinque: "the duo are now vegans" LOOOL
cazalla: he's fucking game laying next to it for a nap, pigs are known for rolling and crushing the piglets
felipelalli: Hi gang noise! :] (sorry if I can't express myself very well in English) First of all, I want to apologize for that "gavin day", really sorry about that.
felipelalli: Then, I can see you guys are talking something about altcoins (I couldn't follow everything), and by change I've been thinking all day about something related to write an article. Actually I've been thinking about it from a long time ago, and the subject is: << the importance (or not) of a strong "second" coin >> and I'd love to read the most I could about it (altcoins, sidechain, and related) and I'm sure you guys have have a plenty of
felipelalli: material. I know I can search on Google but I guess you guys already have selected that "cherry cake" about this theme. Trying to summarize: my point is to show the importance (or not) of a strong coin to be used together with bitcoin. My initial thesis is that in the future (almost) all wallets will work with two (or maybe 3) totally different coins. The second coin would be so important as silver was in the past when the government tried
felipelalli: to "confiscated" the gold (I heard about that but I have to study more deeply). I came to this conclusion because I know bitcoin can't be available 24/7 forever. It will eventually fail in some situation (for example during a bad made hard fork - either because Gavin's gang spoiled or not) and at that time everybody should already is using some strong second coin to be used as backup during a temporary "bitcoin blackout". I think this coin
felipelalli: would work similar as silver works to the economy (silver have ~ 777B market cap in a quick search I just made, not too much compared with gold but it is enough). Even if this coin have only 5 or 6% of total bitcoin value, it could be useful to "don't stop the world" when bitcoin is under attack or maintenance. --- If I am wrong about that, I could write about what this is a bad idea and altcoins are bad at all.
trinque: jesus christ dude, use a pastebin
felipelalli: I'd write few, but... you know. I just wrote, wrote...
trinque: thestringpuller: shit to substance ratio applies
jurov: felipelalli: if you dream of altcoins, you might make elevator pitch about monero
cazalla: felipelalli, you need more logs before this idea
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: and do you guys can point an specific relevant conversation about that? a day? month? Or just dig, dig, dig? :)
ben_vulpes: oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets
ben_vulpes: well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, last sentence of that article: s/it's/its/
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D
felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :)
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i never wanna see a regex search and replace again
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Hnsb4e )
jurov: felipelalli there's much more good stuff on trilema
mod6: felipelalli: read all of 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2015 trilema.com
mod6: there are some good ones in 2011 too
mike_c: conference this year should definitely include a poker game
jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where?
pete_dushenski: mike_c even though i won't be there, that's a sublime idea
felipelalli: asciilifeform: ahahahah. fair. are you writing a better one?
jurov: it says "Filed" but where?
felipelalli: asciilifeform: isn't that part of assbot wrote by you?
pete_dushenski: jurov hmm. i don't believe that there's a requirement to publish annual reports for private corporations.
jurov: hm. interesting, while even my puny llc has to have balance sheet public
mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.
mike_c: that's one of the perks of "private"
jurov: there's no such thing as private corp. here. anything except for physical person gets their filings published
mike_c: wow. balance sheet says who? audited?
jurov: not necessarily audited. it's just mandatory part of yearly tax report
jurov: and why i'm asking in first place. noo corp.is our friend jorash again
jurov: i'll say more later
jurov: of simulated quantum computing fame
assbot: Apple is reportedly giving the Chinese government access to its devices for “security checks” – Quartz ... (
http://bit.ly/1yH6nWA )
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trinque: asciilifeform: "mental health treatment" << we will drug the fuck out of you until you forget your name
decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ probation restrictions
decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country?
trinque: decimation: working on it!!
decimation: I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way
trinque: turns out you have to pay them for the right to cross the imaginary line an odd number of times
decimation: the real problem with us 'gulag' system isn't really the jail term, etc
decimation: it's the fact that you will never be employed by a non-sleazy person again
trinque: asciilifeform: I imagine so
trinque: decimation: my biz employs a friend who was thoroughly stomped by the... incidentally texan justice system for sending a prank email
trinque: they pounded him under some kind of computer terrorism thing, and he could barely find work
trinque: sharp dude, works his ass off
decimation: yeah I feel sorry for folks caught in such a chumpatron
decimation: he would be better off going to mexico probably
mike_c: asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing?
decimation: "Caldwell was being interviewed as a part of the annual State of the Net Conference in Washington, DC. One minute, she was vilifying encryption; the next, she was sending a message to the country’s citizens and companies that they need to be “more conscious of cybersecurity.” “They need to be assuming they are vulnerable, assuming their data can be taken,” she said"
mike_c: ok. mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that?
trinque: how do they expect to beat the curiosity out of people for generations and expect that anyone useful will be produced?
mike_c: as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500). So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache. I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have.
mike_c: anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs.
cazalla: <asciilifeform> if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. <<< re: that or maybe i just misread chat
cazalla: killing people or just making threats? :P
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? << Very interested in answer to this question.
trinque: asciilifeform: this was how my friend's email was construed
trinque: can't recall the text of it but really... "school's out forever" level stuff, nothing terrible
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it is related to the 'confession culture' of the us legal system
cazalla: actually, australian magistrate's just tell you to go away and stop wasting his time with death threat charges
decimation: cazalla: do they jail the drunken aboriginals much there?
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure Australia just helps the Abbos gas themselves
cazalla: BingoBoingo, that'd be the british, they'd bury the abo kids in the sand and kick their heads off
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though your government was still shipping them that recreational 87 octane
cazalla: cheap atm too, 99c a L for 91o, i'm sure the abos can afford top shelf 98o at these prices
BingoBoingo: Gas just went up 25 cents here today after going up 10 cents earlier this week.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Across the river there is talk of it, but not yet here.
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danielpbarron: ;;later tell girevik you're rating in the wrong WoT!
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assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1ySxvXi )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us << sheeit check that out
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041213 = 5.3371 BTC [-] {3}
mats: brown-147.pdf << where is your republic now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37792 @ 0.00041129 = 15.5435 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's really all it seems like except for those who accept a side of pederastry as they plea
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Ryan X. Charles on Twitter: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." ... (
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danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "The get hit with just under a million dollars" s/The/Then/c
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in American popular culture there is a carefully groomed myth through all kinds of fictitious media that in criminal proceedings a plea always results in some form of mercy from the courts when all it does is keep the cattle line moving through the feedlot.
assbot: metsuno is not registered in WoT.
metsuno: The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly.
metsuno: Why don't I see more pseudonymity here?
danielpbarron: anonymity is counter to the purposes of the WoT, although a user does not need to link their key to their slave name
metsuno: I didn't read it that carefully
mircea_popescu: <metsuno> The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. << so it should.
mircea_popescu: jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? << if listed as a stock yes. if not, no.
metsuno: What does it feel like to be the eaters of worlds?
BingoBoingo: It isn't so bad, but you need to keep antacid tablets on you. The last thing you want is world induced dyspepsia affecting your composure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041111 = 1.9733 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "Had he lost at trial in the worst way one every count and received" s/one/won/c
danielpbarron: and who were you btw, forgive me i can't recall who you were
metsuno: I'm need to muck around with my os first though
metsuno: we had a very lenghty discussion about bitcoin. you told me about the awesomeness of openbsd. i helped you pretend-assassinate that guy.
danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
☟︎ metsuno: it was an interesting adventure. that's for sure.
danielpbarron: hopefully with a box full of cardanos and a qntra press pass
metsuno: danielpbarron, I'm definitely going.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk "run into the ground" ? lay off the pipe, man. you don't have enough disposable income to cover my harem's feminine hygiene products bill.
mircea_popescu: a collection of yous is going to run exactly noting into exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it.
mircea_popescu: "nah. if it were, we'd be paying someone to do it for us."
mircea_popescu: trust in your t-34 with non-interchangeable parts and random fabrication defects
mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3170 @ 0.00091997 = 2.9163 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: we're upstream. enemy wants to kill bitpay, it can start a forkwar with me. enemy wants to convince people "bitcoin sucks", it can "create plausible scenes"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opiates are not barbiturate, and heroin withdrawal indeed often only makes people wish they were dying.
mircea_popescu: i never heard of an "alcohol addict" dead for no alcohol.
BingoBoingo: barbiturate withdrawals, benzodiazepine withdrawals and alcohols withdrawls, potentially deadly "Delerium Tremens"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is also very easy to squish a cockroach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be clear, did you stop the original thing again to run a something else ?
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, just buy another box if you can't stop fucking with it
mircea_popescu: decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country? <<< i dunno decimation. why don't they ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: and every citizen linked to it to the detriment of all else.
mircea_popescu: it works on fundamental structures of the hominid brain, much like flirting makes the girl wet.
mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the computer has a lot to do with this, it's a quantum leap in the possibilities of bureaucracy.
mircea_popescu: think of it this way : most russian peasants as late as 1800 had never seen the czar.
mircea_popescu: every last us residing cockroach has seen obama THIS WEEK
mircea_popescu: the peasant did not fear the czar will come and fuck his daughter.
mircea_popescu: the peasant loved the czar specifically for this reason.
ben_vulpes: console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process
mircea_popescu: or with the thought that you were never filthier than the day you were born.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dunno i think i've been covered in both more shit and more blood than on that day
mats: kakobrekla: where can i find information on bitbet api?
ben_vulpes: <jurov> [] i'll say more later << tenterhooks am i on
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement
ben_vulpes: and that hardly counts as a requirement
kakobrekla: mats try adding "?json" at end of url and see if anything happens
mircea_popescu: mats and on top of that, you can reuse addresses for as long as the bet didn't close.
ben_vulpes: anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: no quantum computing for you. copme back, 1????????? year
mats: cool. rewriting the code for bitbet audit so it'll be worthy of publication this year.
mats: makes me expendable, but hey.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail
ben_vulpes: mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:09:29; asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.0009242 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: mats if you plan on hitting bb hard which i dont mind i suggest i add your ip to whitelist
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:21:43; danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:31:31; mircea_popescu: "hey, do you suppose this is work ?"
ben_vulpes: yeah i can sort of almost keep up even with my mom coming over with multiple bottles of bubbles
mats: kakobrekla: nah, you won't even notice it
kakobrekla: i certainly wont, but you might. anyway, i go.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:35:15; mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree?
ben_vulpes: omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup
ben_vulpes: should blockchain dl be performed sequentially?
ben_vulpes: i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical
ben_vulpes: okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely
ben_vulpes: i also appreciate your willingness to beat sense into my skull.
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck leave it as an exercise for once
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28464 @ 0.00041111 = 11.7018 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: so what's the plan? backport the magic 750 or discard all ahistoric blocks?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00040671 = 12.1403 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units.
ben_vulpes: that something being a certain animated unicode set
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kinda what i'm thinking
mircea_popescu: big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and three hours of your time following these instructions. if you have prior chain, you have node right off. if not, you have node in a month"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> did not like mathematics. << this guy is a cryptologist that didn't like coding or math.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a) fredrik de boer is a choad ; b) the left can't "win". because it's stupid. a bunch of frogs in a lake can win just as much. wtf can the terminally retarded gonna "win" ?
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cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin"
assbot: iTunes Connect bug logs developers in to other developers’ accounts at random [Updated] | Ars Technica ... (
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jurov: <mircea_popescu> big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and ...". you know this does not match expectations of general public
jurov: for $12 they expect something that just works and it isn't worth waiting a month for to be done
jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300
jurov: also, for all the aspies having such "bad engineering" just feels unacceptable at any price
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00041752 = 23.7569 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes> ..i require details of this assasination << i paid someone $5 to put on on the list, everyone on the list gets assigned a target, the object is to squirt your victim with a water-gun without any witnesses, you get $5 back per kill
danielpbarron: it took me the whole week just to figure out who my victim was, and i spent most of saturday stalking him at his campsite, finally got right as he was stepping out of his camper, his daughter heard it happen but nobody saw me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00042209 = 13.7909 BTC [+]
jurov: and i got this scam email:
jurov: The King of Thailand has been dead since about the end of 2008. The current King of Thailand is a fake one. The Government of Thailand does not dare to announce his death because it will put Thailand in great trouble. The King of Thailand was keen on photography and he has been seen using his outdated Canon G9 camera even as late as 2012. In addition, his double forgot to remove his watch and appeared to be wearing two watches in the public. Thes
jurov: Mr. Dimitri Khalezov is an important researcher and witness to the 9/11 event. In fact, he was a nuclear intelligence officer in the former Soviet Union. He testifies that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were demolished by three underground thermonuclear devices during the 9/11 event. As a matter of fact, there were large cavities found at ground zero (point of nuclear explosion in all English dictionaries printed prior to 2002) and tens of thousands of first
jurov: responders and local Manhattan residents have suffered from cancers as a result of exposure to this radiation.
jurov: sprinkled with clickbaits
gribble: Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00041729 = 5.55 BTC [-]
punkman: jurov, dunno some kind of commune-hackerspace in italy
chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00042352 = 17.3431 BTC [+] {2}
davout: "Error(473): #bitcoin-lizards Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" <<< lol wtf
nubbins`: dat inability to create simple bash script, etc
nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9411 @ 0.00042629 = 4.0118 BTC [+]
nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O
danielpbarron: coindesk's redditnote piece is exactly the same number of words as mine if you strip out the quotes and the last line about his former job (which i probably should have included in mine); but theirs has less characters than mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3176 @ 0.0009207 = 2.9241 BTC [-] {8}
davout: yhwh_: your IP showed on join
assbot: I'm a dominatrix and I was supposed to be whipping a blonde client...but instead I whipped a brunette... : funny ... (
http://bit.ly/1CTsxve )
JodaZ: can i advertise for sale here once?
davout: JodaZ: -> #bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in!
mircea_popescu: jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300 << in the immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration.
assbot: Diablo 2★The Search for Baal Cinematic★[Original]Official Diablo II[D2 Cut Scene] Trailer - YouTube ... (
http://bit.ly/15PhBll )
mircea_popescu: chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative? << lmao good one.
mircea_popescu: before they came up with bs teleporting gear for paladins and whatnot
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because the log is so incredibly fucking densely packed.
danielpbarron: i liked the necromancer but he wasn't very powerful
mircea_popescu: "When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah i liked him too, but yeah, not useful in pvp
davout: i kinda ragequit d2 after my hardcore javazon died...
davout: my alt+f4 wasn't swift enough
danielpbarron: i quit when a friend of mine got all my expensive MF gear trade hacked while using my account
davout: diablo 1 was best diablo
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in retrospect, the "expensive" gear of the d2 era was a good joke. 1k would have decked you and alts.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O << me, for one.
danielpbarron: expensive in SOJ terms, not dollar terms; i didn't have credit cards back then
nubbins`: well, you know how to threaten people the right way, obv
adlai: does assbot ever pick up ratings left with gribble after the wotfork?
PeterL: I think you have to add ratings to both wots now
mircea_popescu: adlai ideally a way to crossover is being developed, but practically i've not heard anything from nanotube for a week or so.
adlai: shouldn't it be as simple as, every rating has to contain a signature of the rating data, and then gribble and assbot can just spider eachother all day long?
adlai: and any other wots that spring up
adlai: wot-bots. the web itself would grow larger than any individual bot.
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davout: « There’s No Free Lunch, Even Using Bitcoin: Tracking the Popularity and Profits of Virtual Currency Scams »
davout: "We manually inspected all services on the list to identify only those operations established with fraudulent intent. For instance, we exclude Hashfast, a mining company that recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as well as losses from Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange that failed."
adlai: (pdf processed server-side, cloud magic)
PeterL: davout: they think they can differentiate between fraudulent intent and incompetence?
mircea_popescu: PeterL derps that know about bitcoin about exactly the way they know what's best for africa.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00042647 = 5.5441 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: mircea_popescu: jurov: ...... immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration. << seems death threats are en vogue recently
fluffypony: who needs water or clothing or food when you're a starving African child that has BITCOIN!
jurov: mircea i know :) just had a double take on the (quite literally) part
mircea_popescu: and now it looks like i'm going to have a chocolate cake snack.,
PeterL: literally or figuratively?
jborkl: Been stuck up the airport runway for over an hour :(
jborkl: The peeps are restless!!
mircea_popescu: stand up and announce "This has now been converted into a nudist flight. Everyone please remove all items of clothings. Thank you."
ben_vulpes: i'm making a bacon and caramelized onion omlette
pete_dushenski: which is why they love smartphones that advertise "turn downtime into uptime"
pete_dushenski: when they just use them to flip through buzzfeed or some such
jborkl: Austin to Denver on united
PeterL: spend more time doing useless shit and you won't have to think about how worthless you are
jborkl: Maybe they found out I have bitcoin on me
mircea_popescu: davout the note on that video suggests romanian origin.
PeterL: how does one have bitcoin on them?
PeterL: you have a private key tatoo?
jborkl: What , hehe I missed something ?
pete_dushenski: PeterL: sorta making the efforts of using a smartphone to always be connected quite counter-productive to the intended objective
PeterL: whose intended objective?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: seems like yesterday turned into national "let's translate romanian poker articles into engrish" day
jborkl: Something broke, they want to override it and see how that works out
mircea_popescu: 30-01-2015 06:30:13 <asciilifeform> (present height - 183172) so it made < 2k in the past 10 hours ?
PeterL: was it running that whole time?
mircea_popescu: ie, get connected to9 shitty node, die faster. it's quite evolutionary.
mircea_popescu: somehow i suspect that if you had to design say a heron, it'd look a lot less like nature's variant and a lot more like an aircraft carrier
davout: "heron, go away, this is a class A airspace"
pete_dushenski: nokia... i just bought my first one in 15 years this week
assbot: BLU Tank II T193 Unlocked GSM Dual-SIM Cell Phone with Camera and 1900 mAh Big Battery-Retail Packaging-Black Blue: Amazon.ca: Cell Phones & Accessories ... (
http://bit.ly/1A74oRT )
pete_dushenski: nokia: in another time, yes. not sure about the new touchy ones
kakobrekla: dunno, last nail hammering nokia i had was 3210
kakobrekla: imo build quality only went down from there
pete_dushenski: sorta like old mercs were panzers, the new ones are ospreys
mircea_popescu: i kinda agree, they don't make the bricks like they used to in the 90s
mats: 11:41:34 <+pete_dushenski> then experiment unsmartphone commences! << me too. bought a motorola C115 so i can play with osmocomBB
nokia: anyone do the *3001#12345 trick with the nokias?
pete_dushenski: well i intend to test nokia's latest to see how it stacks up against my rose-tinted memories
kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: if only we could teach 0.5.3 to be so good with memory
mircea_popescu: "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
mircea_popescu: your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
mircea_popescu: in retrospect this is the best discussion of this ever-returning zombie of "cyberbullying" i ever read.
mircea_popescu: "If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and t
mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 h
☟︎ mircea_popescu: e'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing. None of them control the capital, none of them get paid 1/1000 of what they bring in for the media company. You know what they do get? They get to be valued by work, and
mircea_popescu: in gratitude they are going to the front lines to fight for the media company's right to pay them less."
mircea_popescu: this is quite exactly it, and it's not limited to poorly educated, insufficiently fucked, infantilized 20something wymyn.
mircea_popescu: the mirror-image infantilized 20something bois are idem fighting for paul graham's right to pay them nothing while turning them into a strange sort of pulp fiction's gimp
mircea_popescu: the funniest thing in all of this isn't exactly the horde of children who don't understand how the fuck they were tricked exactly. the funniest thing is the plethora of articles about how "apple could buy russia"
mircea_popescu: it's going to get even funnier once they actually try.
mircea_popescu: no but you know, the fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving as much as a hair of actual matter. ANY DAY NOW
mircea_popescu: i could be sitting in a parisian cafe cca 1815 and lol the same way for the same reasons at the same people
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ben_vulpes: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads
ben_vulpes: this "orphans" routine though, i must say i love it.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 19:26:09; gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem is that people are insulated from reality (least it hurts their feelings) and so they are also insulated from everythning interesting, and in the end their own life.
mats: hard work is hard. totes believable.
mircea_popescu: people interested in actually doing stuff have b-a. everyone else can be "a contributor" (for bois), or "part of the community" (for womyns)
mats: why do any work when you can generate an altcoin from a bootstrap website and watch netflix
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
mircea_popescu: "why does the horse run, while the worm can but crawl ? because the horse enjoys to run."
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for stakes and sucking holes in everyones chest.
mircea_popescu: nobody gets rich from being o'reilly's or Sara Miller McCune's hand puppet.
mircea_popescu: people DO get rich, in the manner of their choice, out of accumulating this sort of capital.
mircea_popescu: linus is rich, in that ~he can do what he pleases~. your definition of rich.
mircea_popescu: so is taleb. so is everyone that DIDN'T join the system.
mircea_popescu: the only poor people are the "rich people" making 500k to 5mn a year to pay for their mortgage and college loans.
mircea_popescu: a sudanese, poor as the dirt hre sits in, still has a chance.
mircea_popescu: antonoderpopo no longer has a chance, because he's dead, because a rich guy killed him.
mircea_popescu: which explains why suicide is such a big deal in zombieland.
PeterL: so, I'm reading through the bitcoind code as published by the Foundation,
PeterL: / Some explaining would be appreciated << this comment sounds like something asciilifeform would put in?
mod6: that's an original v0.5.3 comment
PeterL: which orphans are these? how many kinds of orphans are there?
mircea_popescu: seriously let's start calling them parentless blocks / pblocks
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:09:29; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
mircea_popescu: PeterL orphans are short lengths ofchain that were abandoined in favour of a competitor.
mircea_popescu: parentless blocks are blocks which arrived to a node before their parents, and so can't be evaluated for validity (yet)
ben_vulpes: "reference node should only keep track of a single chain: the longest discoverable"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3235 @ 0.00096678 = 3.1275 BTC [+] {10}
ben_vulpes: but in keeping around orphan chains, the enemy can pollute ones disk trivially.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd
mod6: pblock is probably not a good name, since in most of the code "pblock" is what is denoted for a pointer to a block.
mod6: they really are "orphans", since an orphan is someone with out parents right? so im fine with calling them orphans, i think there is confusion around how these come into existance.
mircea_popescu: except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents"
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair point there.
mod6: maybe "disconnected blocks" or something
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:22:59; asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'.
mod6: kakobrekla: i like that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well really it was a point from ever since gossipd was discussed, but w/e, not mature yet.
mircea_popescu: well technically it's improved, over the 200/hour earlier :p
jurov: i propose "mislaid blocks" :DDD
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" << Latchkey Blocks
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i'll be lucky to get my butt in a miata this decade
jurov: forlorn, delinquent, remiss, slack, behindhand, belated ...literary english has plenty of words. just dorks know none
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jurov: whole IT is master, slave, orphan, vorgin, etc.
ben_vulpes: any time anyone brings up brock i think of pokemon.
ben_vulpes: 'pierce' << i think fondly of that time in my life when i had several holes in my face
ben_vulpes: have in fact complained about this in the past.
mircea_popescu: it will cause trouble at some point down the road, because eventually the blockchain will overwhelm the index.
mircea_popescu: however, it can be implemented as rolling window, which is how in point of fact "relay set" works
ben_vulpes: RI, by my understanding: downloads and verifies blockchain; regurgitates blocks on demand; relays transactions.
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mod6: !rate TomServo 1 Helped me test a script for The Bitcoin Foundation
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assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for TomServo with note: Helped me test a script for The Bitcoin Foundation
ben_vulpes: i didn't even see the reorderings, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: you know the one time a smarmy teacher tried to be all american and make the class buy a book we complained to the provost and he nearly got kicked out.
mircea_popescu: apparently growing up in the civilised world has its advantages
mircea_popescu: (it didn't last tho, meanwhile romania joined nato and every college prof is hawking his own dumbass books)
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's << can't say as that was my experience. i rocked the boat constantly and still managed to eke some funding out of the university for harebrained rocket schemes
coderwill: ben_vulpes: hello, apologies, i have been busy for a few days, but noticed your mention the other day about options
coderwill: ben_vulpes: the first thing i asked was to see the cap table
coderwill: ben_vulpes: sorry wasn't around to reply
coderwill: so when i asked to see the cap table, was told that no one except investors are allowed to see cap table
coderwill: then what mike_c said was almost exactly what happened afterward, ironically
mircea_popescu: next time tell them "listen bub, i'm not fresh off the turnip truck. you want to hire me on pure salary, it's $1,5mn the first year payable upfront and increasing by 1mn each eyar after that.
coderwill: yeah, i thought about that at the time, but then was like, well, i guess i'm getting to work at one of the most well-known wallet providers, that could be good for subsequent opportunities
coderwill: correct, that was a naive thought in many regards
trinque: coderwill: nah man, that "this will at least be good for my resume" thing is just a way of learning to love the pole
trinque: everyone in the industry under 30 is a perma-intern
coderwill: i am thankful for the opportunity and it has let me to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board
trinque: that said why fight for equity if the businesses wont even be there in a few years
trinque: maybe 2 of the 7 I've worked for still exist
coderwill: at the same time, there are some people i really enjoyed getting to know who i'd be happy to work with again. it's just a few that made it very strange for everyone
coderwill: trinque: agreed, equity is not all it's cracked up to be
trinque: well it's not equity; it's that the companies are largely worthless
trinque: I had looads of shares of the terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago
trinque: company's dead; shares aren't worth one reddit note
mircea_popescu: trinque pushing for equity is an essential tool in evaluating the company.
mircea_popescu: peopel tend to forget that working for a start-up is a LOAN.
trinque: mircea_popescu: oh certainly!
trinque: just commenting on the worthlessness of american startups
mircea_popescu: well the only way to survive is to nmot work for a worthless one.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: i like your idea about working for a startup being a loan
coderwill: mircea_popescu: seems like the ones that think of it that way are far and few between
mircea_popescu: coderwill think of it in sexual terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going to be around in ten years to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my taxed income in the future ?"
mircea_popescu: traditional employment of the "that's a firm to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for that reason.
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coderwill: it's a bummer people can't be more straight-up with potential hires
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems this state you describe in the article is terminal
trinque: coderwill: you have to force them to be, and if you can't, why would they?
coderwill: i guess there is a flipside though, which is people wanting everything
trinque: mircea_popescu: the meta problem
trinque: if a person can't reason enough to reason that they'd better improve their reasoning, fucked
trinque: maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will
coderwill: trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally
coderwill: or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes to the table thinking "what's in this for us" instead of "what's in this for me"
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will << main point of slavery.
mircea_popescu: "you'll be eating dogfood off the floor until you can X"
trinque: poking at the roots of the brain directly, read that in another recent article
mircea_popescu: coderwill yes, that and the frankness are the predicates of this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on.
mircea_popescu: it only works for rich, smart people, but then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley, they'll have fun together.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and their friends.
ben_vulpes: mind you, coderwill "friends" is not the criteria.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at the end
ben_vulpes: it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl".
trinque: ^ requires good stock that knows the meaning of respect
ben_vulpes: as an aside, the whole vesting thing is odd.
ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project.
ben_vulpes: i don't quite know if this is topologically different from an option pool with a vesting schedule, except that it provides some fairness proportionality to the time worked
ben_vulpes: i've no business with "which screw" men.
ben_vulpes: everything we touch gets the shit automated out of it as a precondition of touching it.
ben_vulpes: read, think. occasionally commit a line or two of code.
ben_vulpes: others: read, think, occasionally produce a UI layout.
ben_vulpes: the fella who thinks for twice as long is generally not paid nearly what the one who can see it instantly.
ben_vulpes: some read and do (the correct thing) very quickly, and are remunerated in proportion to their time spent and speed at which they do it.
ben_vulpes: this allows the man who only cares to work for 15 hours per week to do so, comfortably, provided he's good at what he does.
ben_vulpes: well, we work with derpy web stacks man.
ben_vulpes: each a snowflake with its own peculiarities.
ben_vulpes: as we get up to speed on a given codebase/ops story, shit moves vastly more quickly.
trinque: really hard to quantify this stuff
ben_vulpes: but someone must invest the capital to justify loading it into a team's shared understanding.
cazalla: nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate <<< some kid printed out ICQ chatlogs that he was not even involved in and took them to the police
ben_vulpes: but what about the project whose maintainer has ghosted themselves off to the next interesting thing?
cazalla: nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O <<< i made TV too because what else happens in the sticks, thankfully minor at the time.. all this shit because i said i was gonna machine gun a bunch of people
ben_vulpes: i'd not go so far as to say "order of magnitude"
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! <<< i criticised the jews :\
mats: cazalla: lemme guess. 'ButterNubber'?
ben_vulpes: in our snowflake of a case, that's more due to the difference between people who've seen things like the bug under the microscope before, and people who've yet to learn the myriad of tools and mental models to cope effectively.
mats: the mystery continues.
ben_vulpes: a bit of economics: in training those people, their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes.
trinque: ben_vulpes: is being drunk a mental model or a tool
trinque: that one makes django a breeze
ben_vulpes: trinque: well if you know what you're doing, and you're climbing with Ballmer...
ben_vulpes: there's another side to that as well, which is that the people with whom I work who do things at the 2x-3x range of the others actually enjoy teaching juniors and collaborating on these projects.
danielpbarron: it's like a starving artist kid i know that will spitefully do a poor job if you pay him to draw something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we definitely diverge from the original topic significantly here, but "community" and "belongingness" is a core part of what we do.
ben_vulpes: we have relationships with our clients, get to know their business and make a nominal difference in how they do it.
coderwill: ben_vulpes: sorry, delayed reply - yeah i get what you are saying about hiring friends
ben_vulpes: i'd like to be more familiar with that archive.
trinque: felipelalli: you're going to want to get yourself a cloak
trinque: and a properly configured irc client
trinque: somebody in here likes to ddos IPs that appear in logs
trinque: I'm sure we're all being scanned for hax as well
cazalla: why the name change trinque?
trinque: cazalla: this was always my otc handle, and hence the name that made it into assbot
cazalla: guess i gots to make another symlink in my mind much in the same way i made one for bitcoinpete
trinque: BingoBoingo: is this to highlight "why use an alias" for when I'm hauled off to room 101?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, just wanted to highlight brain symlinks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00042663 = 4.6021 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00043175 = 18.355 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: so long as the fp doesn't change how does that matter?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes think of it this way: why dont we just use FP instead of nicks ?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 16:49:48; kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
kakobrekla: but say you rated undata at some point, and then he changes nick to pirateat40 and you will wtf next time you check your ratings
kakobrekla: now, this is just a one time inconvenience, but say everyone would change all the time. nicht gut.
davout: i can hardly remember who this kakobrekla guy is anyway
jurov: and does the std limit of 750 help with oom after all?
davout: being able to request blox from peers for a certain height would solve the whole thing instantly
jurov: malicious peers can poison us with orphan chain up to that height
jurov: i'd suggest to use difficulty
davout: if you're connected to only malicious peers you're kinda fuxxored anyway
jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints
jurov: then producing fake blocks is.. well dificult
davout: "malicious peers not even needed for this" <<< how?
jurov: (just spur if the moment idea)
davout: ah, i thought you were referring to jurov's 'malicious peers' objection to consider requesting blocks based on height
jurov: now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22125 @ 0.0004171 = 9.2283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11346 @ 0.00041058 = 4.6584 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: "now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?" <<< i don't think so. if you have 8 peers you'll get two different blocks at different diff for the same height, hard to feed you a bogus chain
mod6: wait until you get to here:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040756 = 11.0041 BTC [-] {3}
mats: can you feel ma love from over the tubes?
trinque: he said, inching closer, staring without a blink
mod6: you're running with a 250 size limit cap now right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10442915 = 1.2531 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: that's neat. gonna test RI on 'em?
mod6: reference implementation
mod6: werd. lettuce know how it goes. :]
BingoBoingo still populates list with candidates. can see merits of wifi for hotel camping scenarios, but prefers unpluggable wifi
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