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mircea_popescu: not in bitcoin, not in the world, not in any sense. they're here for feedstock and no more.
mircea_popescu: hire smarter people.
jurov: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-23/capital-one-fraud-researchers-may-also-have-done-some-fraud << if you haven't seen redacted sql query before
assbot: Capital One Fraud Researchers May Also Have Done Some Fraud - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnb8zh )
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: felipelalli go moderate your blog comments.
mircea_popescu: http://media.gotraffic.net/images/i40O05xhY5Ow/v49/-1x-1.png ahaha epic.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnbkyo )
mircea_popescu: i gotta say ... that's some gnarly shit. is this how sql actually works ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: no! dear god no!
mircea_popescu: trinque % is wildcard right ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah for the like operator
mircea_popescu: there's like 100 of them in there, that should be pretty wild to run
trinque: the sad thing about sql is it tried to be an end user programming language
trinque: behind that mess is an utterly elegant data model
trinque: really relational algebra's the thing, not sql, and someone should redo the former sans the latter
trinque: the idea was accountants or somesuch would be able to write SQL
mircea_popescu: hm.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: whats dummer is that looks like a table for machine learning
Naphex: and its using sql for that
Naphex: big lol
Naphex: horrible stuff
mircea_popescu: pretty gnarly.
trinque: Naphex: neh your thing just needs to be smart enough to make its own tables, relational can do runtime structure creation just fine
trinque: the system catalog is there for a reason
davout: CASEs in SQL queries, my eyes burn
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you and your altcoin coverage!!
trinque: I had a mentor burn rdbms into my mind indelibly; it's as right and overlooked as lisp
BingoBoingo: cazalla: danielpbarron's altcoin coverage
cazalla: BingoBoingo, but you encouraged him! i'm not too fussed on altcoins but i would've made mention how foolish redditors were to believe a jew was going to give away 5 million
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife?
davout: trinque: a lot of rdbms will let you do relational algebra, it's just that people don't use it
BingoBoingo: lol cazalla
trinque: davout: well shit, a lot of derps try to turn it into a key value store
trinque: and all kinds of other foot-blown-off scenarios
davout: yup
trinque: incidentally postgresql spanks the ass off any other kv store on earth
trinque: with native json types
jurov: mircea_popescu: that was *enterprise* sql
davout: trinque: how do you even use that kind of stuff, does it give you tools to actually filter on the json object?
davout: iirc mssql also had the kind of native stuff for xml
jurov: davout yes it does
davout: may it burn in hell
trinque: yep
jurov: with indexes, everything
trinque: postgres ate yer mongo, postgres ate yer couch
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
trinque: postgres slapped your mother, postgres fucked your spouse
mats: mongo was never good
trinque: mats: reasoning of "json therefore..."
mats: says the db guy i work with, anyway.
trinque: any new database will incrementally do the things sql already did
trinque: or kick them to the app layer where those idiots will do even worse
trinque: constraints, indexes, transactions, etc etc
davout: sure, lets use uuids as primary keys
trinque: this idea for example that schema's too hard! the fuck?! like building the lack of schema into each query isn't infinitely worse?
trinque: and you can write dynamic code even that will build out schema for you because there's a system catalog to reference
trinque: ^ most underused feature of SQL there is
trinque: I once wrote a thing that'd dynamically generate schema for production rules of a given grammer given the relational representation of that grammar, and a dynamic to-string in the other direction
trinque: do that in your mongo
jurov: schema is subject to change irl and there be dragons. but i presume with btc it isn't a problem, no changes expected
Naphex: loving the java8 aggregates/stream api http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/collections/streams/reduction.htm
assbot: Error Page 404 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HngElg )
jurov: oracle nixed it
trinque: the company all but collapsed but we produced this: https://github.com/aquameta/pg_meta
assbot: aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HngJWa )
trinque: having that you can write queries which output things which can be inserted into the writable system catalog
jurov: okay let's not go overboard with this :)
davout: jurov: lol, too late
trinque: jurov: what, writing wads of plpgsql to do it is better?
trinque: being able to declaratively modify schema was incredible
trinque: too bad the owner of the biz thought money was filthy
jurov: 90% of migrations isn't about schema, but about data
trinque: I also jacked git into postgres and did an automatic migrations system
trinque: via a foreign data wrapper
trinque: given the right set of first principles in a system so many things become trivial
Naphex: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/collections/streams/reduction.html - rocks for data access
assbot: Reduction (The Java™ Tutorials > Collections > Aggregate Operations) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnhEWs )
Naphex: missed an l before
jurov: looks like sqlalchemy
trinque: yeh I don't tend to like these middle layers
davout: Naphex: looks like derpy ruby :D
trinque: ^ lol
trinque: I'm oop racist so don't mind me
Naphex: davout: hehe, a bit maybe. because of the method chaining
davout: Naphex: filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE) <<< this
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cahvA-s5--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ha51bj7yo0hnmrtjhogc.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnixym )
davout: select(&:male?) yo
Naphex: the lambdas?
davout: yea
trinque: jeez is that java lambda syntax?
trinque: oh no, the one above
Naphex: aye
trinque: what's the second one?
trinque: ampersand colon fuck my life question mark
davout: each time i hear about java i can't help but picture these SomeObjectFactoryBuilder.getObjectFactory().getObject()
trinque: I don't see why we're still doing objects
trinque: shitty dispatch, shitty scoping tool, shitty ....
davout: trinque: that & is just a pointer to function
davout: the ? is here just to troll you, because question marks are allowed in function names
trinque: ah lol
trinque: hey that doesn't even make me mad
trinque: ! for side effects, ? for booleans, seems fine to me
davout: yup
Naphex: i'm actually liking the lambda syntax :D
Naphex: (Person p) -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25
trinque: (fn butts ...)
trinque: how dare these languages steal fire from the gods and claim it as their own
davout: p.male? && p.can_drink? && !p.wrinkly? <<< ruby is better
trinque: rubby aint no lisp
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VN43K3eE--/ld5qrkkxenvu9o8sqjy7.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnkfji )
trinque: python's my default slumming language
trinque: long as you never write "class" you'll survive
davout: BingoBoingo: is this dog?
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Dachshund/Pit bull mix
BingoBoingo: http://www.countryliving.com/outdoor/outdoor-living/pitbull-dashund-mix
assbot: Rami The Pitbull Dachshund Mix - Country Living ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnkH17 )
jurov: Person.query.filter(Person.gender== Person.Sex.MALE && p.age >= 18 && p.age <= 25)
jurov: ^ py/sqlalchemy
davout: BingoBoingo: hah yeah, i didn't notice at first but it does look like it
BingoBoingo: Availabru for adotion
davout: it's cute and scary at the same time
trinque: face of "this is what your human hubris has wrought"
davout: ok i'm off, laters!
BingoBoingo: Adoption horror story http://www.countryliving.com/outdoor/outdoor-living/esther-the-wonder-pig
assbot: This Couple Thought They'd Adopted a Mini Pig&#151;But It Turned Out to Be a 650 Pound Porker - Esther the Wonder Pig - Country Living ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnlnU9 )
trinque: so eat the bastard
trinque: looks great
trinque: ...canadians, they're probably vegan
trinque: "the duo are now vegans" LOOOL
cazalla: he's fucking game laying next to it for a nap, pigs are known for rolling and crushing the piglets
BingoBoingo: Surprised it hasn't ate the dogs
felipelalli: Hi gang noise! :] (sorry if I can't express myself very well in English) First of all, I want to apologize for that "gavin day", really sorry about that.
felipelalli: Then, I can see you guys are talking something about altcoins (I couldn't follow everything), and by change I've been thinking all day about something related to write an article. Actually I've been thinking about it from a long time ago, and the subject is: << the importance (or not) of a strong "second" coin >> and I'd love to read the most I could about it (altcoins, sidechain, and related) and I'm sure you guys have have a plenty of
felipelalli: material. I know I can search on Google but I guess you guys already have selected that "cherry cake" about this theme. Trying to summarize: my point is to show the importance (or not) of a strong coin to be used together with bitcoin. My initial thesis is that in the future (almost) all wallets will work with two (or maybe 3) totally different coins. The second coin would be so important as silver was in the past when the government tried
felipelalli: to "confiscated" the gold (I heard about that but I have to study more deeply). I came to this conclusion because I know bitcoin can't be available 24/7 forever. It will eventually fail in some situation (for example during a bad made hard fork - either because Gavin's gang spoiled or not) and at that time everybody should already is using some strong second coin to be used as backup during a temporary "bitcoin blackout". I think this coin
felipelalli: would work similar as silver works to the economy (silver have ~ 777B market cap in a quick search I just made, not too much compared with gold but it is enough). Even if this coin have only 5 or 6% of total bitcoin value, it could be useful to "don't stop the world" when bitcoin is under attack or maintenance. --- If I am wrong about that, I could write about what this is a bad idea and altcoins are bad at all.
felipelalli: Thank you!
trinque: jesus christ dude, use a pastebin
felipelalli: ahhaah sorry
felipelalli: I'd write few, but... you know. I just wrote, wrote...
thestringpuller: so harsh trinque
thestringpuller: as long as his count doesn't go above mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: Hi gang noise! :] << best opening line. ever.
trinque: thestringpuller: shit to substance ratio applies
thestringpuller: A pete_dushenski!
thestringpuller: now we can talk cars
pete_dushenski: lol hey man
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: welcome back
jurov: felipelalli: if you dream of altcoins, you might make elevator pitch about monero
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: thank you!
cazalla: felipelalli, you need more logs before this idea
jurov: ^ that too
felipelalli: cazalla: that's the idea.
felipelalli: cazalla: sorry, logs in which sense?
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: logs.bitcoin-assets.com
ben_vulpes: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: and do you guys can point an specific relevant conversation about that? a day? month? Or just dig, dig, dig? :)
ben_vulpes: oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets
ben_vulpes: !s altcoin
assbot: 1215 results for 'altcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=altcoin
ben_vulpes: !s moner
assbot: 0 results for 'moner' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moner
ben_vulpes: !s monero
assbot: 93 results for 'monero' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero
ben_vulpes: !s litecoin
assbot: 566 results for 'litecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=litecoin
ben_vulpes: !s potcoin
assbot: 0 results for 'potcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=potcoin
ben_vulpes: lolrly?
ben_vulpes: !s darkcoin
assbot: 61 results for 'darkcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=darkcoin
ben_vulpes: do you get it?
felipelalli: yes, perfect!
ben_vulpes: mk
ben_vulpes: well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, last sentence of that article: s/it's/its/
felipelalli: this search engine seems pretty smart.
felipelalli: thank you.
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D
kakobrekla: and dont forget to run.
felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: done
kakobrekla: lel.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i never wanna see a regex search and replace again
thestringpuller: :(
ben_vulpes: mjokes my clock's an hour fast
mike_c: felipelalli: read this. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnsb4e )
felipelalli: *perfect* thanks mike_c !!
jurov: felipelalli there's much more good stuff on trilema
felipelalli: jurov: I'll search. Thank you.
ben_vulpes: isis taking off after the Kingdom?
mod6: felipelalli: read all of 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2015 trilema.com
mod6: there are some good ones in 2011 too
felipelalli: mod6: thanks, a lot to study!
felipelalli: year 1933 - seizure of gold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102, seizure of silver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6814 one year later. Just insane.
assbot: Executive Order 6102, - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGYbpe )
assbot: Executive Order 6814 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGYbFF )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/
assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnAg8Y )
pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us
mike_c: conference this year should definitely include a poker game
asciilifeform: felipelalli: i didn't write it. and it's a piece of shit.
jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where?
pete_dushenski: mike_c even though i won't be there, that's a sublime idea
pete_dushenski: jurov what corporations are these?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: why won't be there ?
jurov: https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7173326
felipelalli: asciilifeform: ahahahah. fair. are you writing a better one?
jurov: it says "Filed" but where?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform a good friend's wedding.
pete_dushenski: i'd be remiss if i missed it
asciilifeform: felipelalli: it has a brain-damaged option turned on, that replaces words with supposedly similar ones
asciilifeform: felipelalli: could be turned off, would take five seconds. but it isn't my search engine
felipelalli: asciilifeform: isn't that part of assbot wrote by you?
asciilifeform: no.
pete_dushenski: jurov hmm. i don't believe that there's a requirement to publish annual reports for private corporations.
pete_dushenski: in canada
jurov: kk
pete_dushenski: that's all for me for today. laters!
jurov: hm. interesting, while even my puny llc has to have balance sheet public
mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.
mike_c: that's one of the perks of "private"
jurov: there's no such thing as private corp. here. anything except for physical person gets their filings published
mike_c: wow. balance sheet says who? audited?
jurov: not necessarily audited. it's just mandatory part of yearly tax report
mike_c: interesting
jurov: and why i'm asking in first place. noo corp.is our friend jorash again
jurov: i'll say more later
jurov: of simulated quantum computing fame
trinque: http://qz.com/332059/apple-is-reportedly-giving-the-chinese-government-access-to-its-devices-for-a-security-assessment/
assbot: Apple is reportedly giving the Chinese government access to its devices for “security checks” – Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH6nWA )
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-147.pdf << mega-usg-lol
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH7m9g )
asciilifeform: ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit
asciilifeform: (pgs. 4, 5)
asciilifeform: on top of jail term
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00041692 = 13.133 BTC [-]
trinque: asciilifeform: "mental health treatment" << we will drug the fuck out of you until you forget your name
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks: gigantic fines like these are imposed in case the condemned owned any real estate
asciilifeform: which is then auctioned off
danielpbarron: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/channellogs/supybot/%23supybot.2010-10-11.log << birth of gribble?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHaxO7 )
decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ probation restrictions
asciilifeform: decimation: apparently, typical
decimation: yes, given that they are a 'program'
asciilifeform: it's rather puzzling why they haven't reached the point where the condemned is required to wear a wireless microphone, camera, and shock collar
decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country?
trinque: decimation: working on it!!
asciilifeform: hard enough -without- the collar
decimation: I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way
trinque: turns out you have to pay them for the right to cross the imaginary line an odd number of times
decimation: the real problem with us 'gulag' system isn't really the jail term, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: that's more of an issue if you're actually worth money
decimation: it's the fact that you will never be employed by a non-sleazy person again
trinque: asciilifeform: I imagine so
asciilifeform: usa is a tar pit the likes of which cannot be imagined by folks unfamiliar with the subject. those without money - cannot afford to make even basic preparations to flee; those with some - e.g., with a profession - know full well that they are not needed or wanted outside of the usg sphere of influence; those with serious money - understand (or sometimes don't) that their 'wealth' is really a creature of usg, and really lives i
asciilifeform: n the treasury all along
trinque: decimation: my biz employs a friend who was thoroughly stomped by the... incidentally texan justice system for sending a prank email
trinque: in high school
trinque: they pounded him under some kind of computer terrorism thing, and he could barely find work
trinque: sharp dude, works his ass off
decimation: yeah I feel sorry for folks caught in such a chumpatron
decimation: he would be better off going to mexico probably
asciilifeform: if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks.
asciilifeform: far and wide.
mike_c: asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing?
decimation: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/tor-and-encryption-have-created-a-zone-of-lawlessness-justice-department-says
assbot: Tor and Encryption Have Created a ‘Zone of Lawlessness,’ Justice Department Says | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHdj5V )
asciilifeform: mike_c: <128M
decimation: "Caldwell was being interviewed as a part of the annual State of the Net Conference in Washington, DC. One minute, she was vilifying encryption; the next, she was sending a message to the country’s citizens and companies that they need to be “more conscious of cybersecurity.” “They need to be assuming they are vulnerable, assuming their data can be taken,” she said"
mike_c: ok. mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that?
trinque: how do they expect to beat the curiosity out of people for generations and expect that anyone useful will be produced?
asciilifeform: mike_c: what you're seeing is largely os disk cache.
mike_c: k
cazalla: asciilifeform, why recruit these folk? fwiw, i never had a single one door knock me and offer a job lol https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/559163136096600065
assbot: i'm an OG troll.. this was from 15 years ago today.. i'll still be at it in another 15 years http://t.co/wURemoBAKY
mike_c: as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500). So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache. I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have.
mike_c: anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs.
asciilifeform: cazalla: what's that
cazalla: <asciilifeform> if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. <<< re: that or maybe i just misread chat
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ?
cazalla: killing people or just making threats? :P
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? << Very interested in answer to this question.
asciilifeform: the fascination with 'death threats' the nato world has is very peculiar
trinque: asciilifeform: this was how my friend's email was construed
asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ?
trinque: can't recall the text of it but really... "school's out forever" level stuff, nothing terrible
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it is related to the 'confession culture' of the us legal system
trinque: grow up cowards
asciilifeform: it's related to the 'cardinal richelieu' culture of having the proverbial six words written by every honest man to hang him by
asciilifeform: some fool with a short temper, fond of 'death threating' - will be condemned for that
asciilifeform: dope aficionado - for dope
asciilifeform: popular with the gurlz? (assange!) - 'rape'
asciilifeform: etc.
trinque: make any money? irs
asciilifeform: can fill in this chart
asciilifeform: not hard.
cazalla: actually, australian magistrate's just tell you to go away and stop wasting his time with death threat charges
decimation: cazalla: do they jail the drunken aboriginals much there?
cazalla: decimation, nope, they run em over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCxc4SjpN6M
assbot: Man jumps off bridge and gets hit by a fire truck - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHfDKo )
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure Australia just helps the Abbos gas themselves
decimation: \\]
cazalla: BingoBoingo, that'd be the british, they'd bury the abo kids in the sand and kick their heads off
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though your government was still shipping them that recreational 87 octane
cazalla: cheap atm too, 99c a L for 91o, i'm sure the abos can afford top shelf 98o at these prices
asciilifeform: if anyone here is fond of www programming, can write one of those quizzes, a la 'which genocidal dictator are you?' --- 'what will you be in u.s. prison for, ten years hence ?'
BingoBoingo: Gas just went up 25 cents here today after going up 10 cents earlier this week.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a number of locales are in the process of raising fuel tax, yours may be one of them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Across the river there is talk of it, but not yet here.
asciilifeform: basic 'laffer curve' idea, it would seem
BingoBoingo: Right
BingoBoingo: Mega lol http://fredrikdeboer.com/2015/01/29/i-dont-know-what-to-do-you-guys/
assbot: I don’t know what to do, you guys | Fredrik deBoer ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHk4VA )
BingoBoingo: !up goldview
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41250 @ 0.0004302 = 17.7458 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: If you ever have reason to soul slander gar again, here is a picture of his namesake meeting an end https://twitter.com/PicTimedPerfect/status/359290644281294848/photo/1
assbot: Dinner time. http://t.co/byNpmBnFRU
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: nice pic
danielpbarron: ;;later tell girevik you're rating in the wrong WoT!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041426 = 24.5242 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46458 @ 0.00042063 = 19.5416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20051 @ 0.00042889 = 8.5997 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahhh lomito de cordero &trumpeter malbec
mircea_popescu: felipelalli http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ySxvXi )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D
mircea_popescu: shit mike_c beats me by like hours.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us << sheeit check that out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00041314 = 11.0102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041213 = 5.3371 BTC [-] {3}
mats: brown-147.pdf << where is your republic now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37792 @ 0.00041129 = 15.5435 BTC [-] {2}
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/barret-brown-the-myth-of-plea-leniency/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.') ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's really all it seems like except for those who accept a side of pederastry as they plea
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u4nv4/ryan_x_charles_on_twitter_i_was_just_let_go_from/co5899p?context=3
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Ryan X. Charles on Twitter: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBITH2 )
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "The get hit with just under a million dollars" s/The/Then/c
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: fxd, thx
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in American popular culture there is a carefully groomed myth through all kinds of fictitious media that in criminal proceedings a plea always results in some form of mercy from the courts when all it does is keep the cattle line moving through the feedlot.
danielpbarron: !rated metsuno
assbot: metsuno is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: !up metsuno
danielpbarron: hi metsuno
metsuno: Hi Daniel
metsuno: The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly.
danielpbarron: heh
danielpbarron: good
metsuno: Why don't I see more pseudonymity here?
danielpbarron: what is that?
danielpbarron: anonymity is counter to the purposes of the WoT, although a user does not need to link their key to their slave name
metsuno: anonymity != pseudonymity
metsuno: oh
metsuno: I didn't read it that carefully
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-be-good-at-poker/
assbot: How to be good at poker pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lovg3r )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: <metsuno> The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. << so it should.
mircea_popescu: we are the eaters of worlds.
mircea_popescu: jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? << if listed as a stock yes. if not, no.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: or anywhere else afaik. << http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/
assbot: SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBMBAh )
metsuno: What does it feel like to be the eaters of worlds?
BingoBoingo: It isn't so bad, but you need to keep antacid tablets on you. The last thing you want is world induced dyspepsia affecting your composure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041111 = 1.9733 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "Had he lost at trial in the worst way one every count and received" s/one/won/c
BingoBoingo: fxd thx
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-be-good-at-poker/
asciilifeform: so!!!
asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch ☟︎
asciilifeform: for therealbitcoin
asciilifeform: a backport of the orphan trimming mechanism.
BingoBoingo: Good luck
asciilifeform: even if it works, it will need serious review
asciilifeform: by folks who actually understand what they are doing.
BingoBoingo: !up metsuno
danielpbarron: metsuno, get in that WoT so i can rate you!
metsuno: Thanks BingoBoingo
danielpbarron: and who were you btw, forgive me i can't recall who you were
metsuno: I'm need to muck around with my os first though
danielpbarron: it's been a while since porcfest
metsuno: we had a very lenghty discussion about bitcoin. you told me about the awesomeness of openbsd. i helped you pretend-assassinate that guy.
danielpbarron: ohhh cool that's who i thought
danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course ☟︎
metsuno: it was an interesting adventure. that's for sure.
danielpbarron: are you going to the next one? I'm planning on it
danielpbarron: hopefully with a box full of cardanos and a qntra press pass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not so sure this is a good idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a test.
mircea_popescu: "a test"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite certainly not meant to go in the tree under any circumstances.
asciilifeform: test of hypothesis.
asciilifeform: it runs
asciilifeform: but i very much did not like what i had to do to get it to build.
metsuno: danielpbarron, I'm definitely going.
asciilifeform: i will describe the algorithm here.
asciilifeform: (as found in the enemy code)
asciilifeform: what they did is to set a limit (default == 750) of 'orphan blocks' (terribly confusing term, nothing whatsoever to do with orphaned chains)
asciilifeform: and when the limit is reached, one is picked for eviction from the cache
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk "run into the ground" ? lay off the pipe, man. you don't have enough disposable income to cover my harem's feminine hygiene products bill.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: but if it has antecedents, the chain of those is followed to the end and the terminus is dropped.
mircea_popescu: a collection of yous is going to run exactly noting into exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can't even begin to fathom how true this is
asciilifeform: (unless you read the bugger)
asciilifeform: the question does remain, however - what is to be done with toy node
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the shitting jews ?
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: two jews shitting in adjoining stalls.
mircea_popescu: "hey, do you suppose this is work ?" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "nah. if it were, we'd be paying someone to do it for us."
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: anyway. "what is to be done" re what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can't fly with as it presently lives.
mircea_popescu: and you know this how ?
asciilifeform: strong empirical data
mircea_popescu: be specific.
asciilifeform: oomkill every 20 min. or so
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: once it takes > 10 mins / block i'll care.
asciilifeform: eventually db will be corrupted (may already be silently corrupt?)
mircea_popescu: it'll be fine.
asciilifeform: see observations of ben_vulpes re: above
mircea_popescu: trust in your t-34 with non-interchangeable parts and random fabrication defects
asciilifeform: other thing is, it's quadratic.
mircea_popescu: it won a great patriotic war.
mircea_popescu: look, let it run first.
asciilifeform: every time the thing reboots, the longer the chain, the longer the re-init.
mircea_popescu: let it run to where it takes > 10 minutes / block.
asciilifeform: there's another aspect to it
asciilifeform: the behaviour of the thing during death is by no means well-defined
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: not merely concerning the db
asciilifeform: but if node is being used 'in anger'
mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3170 @ 0.00091997 = 2.9163 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: enemy will search far and wide for stories of one of these things catastrophically losing
asciilifeform: and if can't find, will create plausible scene.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: enemy can not beat 12 dolla.
asciilifeform: he will say 'mine is $0, runs on your winblows pc'
mircea_popescu: we're upstream. enemy wants to kill bitpay, it can start a forkwar with me. enemy wants to convince people "bitcoin sucks", it can "create plausible scenes"
mircea_popescu: yaya.
asciilifeform: just pointing out that it may prove tricky to convince folks that a node which is, de facto, 7/8th duty cycle or worse, is a good thing
asciilifeform: likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector ☟︎
asciilifeform: any moron can connect to one of our boxes and take a steaming shit in it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/#comment-9277 << is this guy from a parallel universe or wtf.
assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EtmYp1 )
asciilifeform: insta-zap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 12 dollars.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opiates are not barbiturate, and heroin withdrawal indeed often only makes people wish they were dying.
asciilifeform: 12 dollars for a box that can be driven off the net by blowing on it
mircea_popescu: i never heard of an "alcohol addict" dead for no alcohol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to keep blowing.
BingoBoingo: barbiturate withdrawals, benzodiazepine withdrawals and alcohols withdrawls, potentially deadly "Delerium Tremens"
mircea_popescu: delirium tremens is hardly that ffs.
asciilifeform: the 'naturally-occurring' nodes supply most of the wind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is also very easy to squish a cockroach.
mircea_popescu: atmosphere already supplies most of the squishing.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: haha, it finally croaked
asciilifeform: 750 was a bit much.
asciilifeform puts the traditional turd back on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be clear, did you stop the original thing again to run a something else ?
asciilifeform: yes
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, just buy another box if you can't stop fucking with it
mircea_popescu: and let the thing just run unmolested.
asciilifeform: 2nd box came finally.
mircea_popescu: decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country? <<< i dunno decimation. why don't they ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building. ☟︎
asciilifeform: -credible- thread.
asciilifeform: *threat
mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center, ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and every citizen linked to it to the detriment of all else.
mircea_popescu: no, not credible. a threat at all.
mircea_popescu: it works on fundamental structures of the hominid brain, much like flirting makes the girl wet.
mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: this is a very sharp observation, but is it unique to the modern state?
mircea_popescu: well, that quickly gets iffy.
asciilifeform: what of ancient despotisms, with the public impaler, etc. - did not want to be at the stellar configuration center ?
mircea_popescu: nah, no mechanised ways to handle it,
mircea_popescu: the computer has a lot to do with this, it's a quantum leap in the possibilities of bureaucracy.
asciilifeform: the khan rides from town to town, has squad in tow with stake
asciilifeform: or, ivan iv, with cauldrons/oil
asciilifeform: worked beautifully
mircea_popescu: if it worked, more by accident than anything.
mircea_popescu: think of it this way : most russian peasants as late as 1800 had never seen the czar.
mircea_popescu: every last us residing cockroach has seen obama THIS WEEK
asciilifeform: well yes
mircea_popescu: well then.
asciilifeform: but the basic dread of the state, by peasant, is similar
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the peasant did not fear the czar will come and fuck his daughter.
mircea_popescu: the peasant loved the czar specifically for this reason.
asciilifeform: more of a 'good cop / bad cop' symbiosis b/w king and next level of org chart down
ben_vulpes: good evening!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes!
ben_vulpes: hello sir!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform how are you?
asciilifeform: feeling very much dirtied by the dirt
asciilifeform: see log.
ben_vulpes: it is so very filthy
mircea_popescu: there's some lovely mud down here!
ben_vulpes: console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process
ben_vulpes: wallo!
ben_vulpes: wallow*!
asciilifeform: the one takeaway is that the cause of oomkill damnation in 0.5.3 can no longer be regarded as mysterious
mircea_popescu: or with the thought that you were never filthier than the day you were born.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform causes.
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dunno i think i've been covered in both more shit and more blood than on that day
mats: kakobrekla: where can i find information on bitbet api?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: orphans pool?
asciilifeform: identifiable crock o'shit; arguably an advance over the entirely enigmatic sort
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha.
ben_vulpes: <jurov> [] i'll say more later << tenterhooks am i on
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes as a body % ?
kakobrekla: there is an api?
ben_vulpes: absolute terms
mircea_popescu: absolutism's for the birds.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement
ben_vulpes: you're a bird!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was there some json ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgs. 4-5
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: implicit.
kakobrekla: well that hardly counts as api
mircea_popescu: yes but what were they ?
ben_vulpes: and that hardly counts as a requirement
kakobrekla: mats try adding "?json" at end of url and see if anything happens
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions
mircea_popescu: mats and on top of that, you can reuse addresses for as long as the bet didn't close.
ben_vulpes: anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: no quantum computing for you. copme back, 1????????? year
mats: cool. rewriting the code for bitbet audit so it'll be worthy of publication this year.
mats: makes me expendable, but hey.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail
ben_vulpes: mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998077 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:09:29; asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.0009242 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: oh fuck yes
kakobrekla: mats if you plan on hitting bb hard which i dont mind i suggest i add your ip to whitelist
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998091 << danielpbarron i require details of this assasination ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:21:43; danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998118 << constant refrain in fiatcorp: "no billing for poops! this isn't accenture." ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:31:31; mircea_popescu: "hey, do you suppose this is work ?"
mircea_popescu: only 554 lines ? by 6am ? WTF SRSLY GUISE
ben_vulpes: yeah i can sort of almost keep up even with my mom coming over with multiple bottles of bubbles
ben_vulpes: it's pathetic i tell ya
mats: kakobrekla: nah, you won't even notice it
kakobrekla: i certainly wont, but you might. anyway, i go.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998143 << for srs, asciilifeform. you'll want proofs of correctness and haskell-grade type systems next. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:35:15; mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
mats: thanks.
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree?
ben_vulpes: omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition ☟︎
ben_vulpes: what praytell then are they?
asciilifeform: they are simply blocks received hopelessly out of order
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup
ben_vulpes throws up his hands
asciilifeform: that is, anything that sails in for which you don't have an immediate ancestory
asciilifeform: *ancestor
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: should blockchain dl be performed sequentially?
asciilifeform: you can't do anything with them, except a) discard b) store in hope of gluing the chain together later
asciilifeform: classical bitcoind is all (b) and no (a)
asciilifeform: never, ever (a)
asciilifeform: thus it is doomed to die after snarfing up sufficiently many of these.
ben_vulpes: i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical
ben_vulpes: doomed << well, question answered
asciilifeform: so it isn't a memory leak in the traditional sense
ben_vulpes: okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely
ben_vulpes: they*
asciilifeform: merely toilet that is never flushed, but continuously shat in
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you store these, anywhere, you set yourself up for shitburial
ben_vulpes: you and your poo metaphors
asciilifeform: since by definition there is no way to verify these blocks
asciilifeform: lacking an antecedent
asciilifeform: dr. evil can come and feed you until you burst.
ben_vulpes: no, i get it
ben_vulpes: i also appreciate your willingness to beat sense into my skull.
asciilifeform: and if, presently, 'burst' just means oomkill,
asciilifeform: if disk is involved he can now have you grind to a permanent halt
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck leave it as an exercise for once
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/386XWB2.txt )
BingoBoingo: Too many lulz to number right
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] mike_c: or anywhere else afaik. << http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/ << well that's damned interesting
assbot: SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HoQUoD )
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge?
asciilifeform: 'inv'
asciilifeform: i.e. nodes barf blocks at one another without any real logic
asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'. ☟︎
asciilifeform: did not like mathematics.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's a steamer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28464 @ 0.00041111 = 11.7018 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: so what's the plan? backport the magic 750 or discard all ahistoric blocks?
asciilifeform: i backported it. horrendous ugly.
asciilifeform: if you discard all of them - never syncs.
asciilifeform: (mike_c tried it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu appears to favour releasing the thing sitting now on my desk - a that continuously reboots
asciilifeform: (and slowly grinds to a halt prior to doing so)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00040671 = 12.1403 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: approx. every 20 min.
asciilifeform: (present height - 183172)
ben_vulpes: brutal.
ben_vulpes: how fast does that number go up?
asciilifeform: right now, ~45 sec. / block
asciilifeform: varies.
asciilifeform: if you recall, bitcoin is not 'bittorrent' and does not make use of the multitude of nodes known to it at a given moment for fetching the blockchain
asciilifeform: instead, it locks onto one particular peer
asciilifeform: and snarfs from him, until it doesn't
asciilifeform: then picks another.
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units.
ben_vulpes: that something being a certain animated unicode set
asciilifeform: block downloading is almost certainly fated to be 'embraced and extended' by a sane implementation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im just in favour of actually testing
asciilifeform: (negotiate torrent-like loader, if can do - do; if cannot - fallback to classic)
mircea_popescu: let it run, see what actualy happens
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grinder is grinding.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kinda what i'm thinking
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off for the eve.
ben_vulpes: my thanks for your valuable insights.
asciilifeform to bed
mircea_popescu: big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and three hours of your time following these instructions. if you have prior chain, you have node right off. if not, you have node in a month"
asciilifeform: if converges >>> then just as mircea_popescu said.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> did not like mathematics. << this guy is a cryptologist that didn't like coding or math.
mircea_popescu: very strange beast.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield. ☟︎
thestringpuller: ^- doesn't she do that already?
mircea_popescu: a) fredrik de boer is a choad ; b) the left can't "win". because it's stupid. a bunch of frogs in a lake can win just as much. wtf can the terminally retarded gonna "win" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25126 @ 0.00041096 = 10.3258 BTC [+]
mats: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/29/hipster-churches-sillicon-valley-evangelical-new-home
assbot: Hipster churches in Silicon Valley: evangelicalism's unlikely new home | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSe7xa )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00043445 = 25.0678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4546 @ 0.00095999 = 4.3641 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2543 @ 0.00097554 = 2.4808 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00043467 = 1.8256 BTC [+]
cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin"
fluffypony: lol
punkman: but... how? http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/itunes-connect-bug-logs-developers-into-other-developers-accounts-at-random/
assbot: iTunes Connect bug logs developers in to other developers’ accounts at random [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CShGBz )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/where-did-your-years-go/
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8hdv99IEAA1ZUs.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSiO8p )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043467 = 5.1726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00043498 = 15.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24574 @ 0.00041751 = 10.2599 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17526 @ 0.00041709 = 7.3099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24764 @ 0.00043404 = 10.7486 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00044157 = 14.2186 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-treasure-hunter-eluded-police-cash-tradecraft
assbot: Feds: Treasure hunter eluded police with cash, tradecraft | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpoE4F )
punkman: !up badon
badon: hi punkman
punkman: hola
jurov: <mircea_popescu> big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and ...". you know this does not match expectations of general public
jurov: for $12 they expect something that just works and it isn't worth waiting a month for to be done
jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300
jurov: also, for all the aspies having such "bad engineering" just feels unacceptable at any price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00041996 = 15.0556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00041752 = 23.7569 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes> ..i require details of this assasination << i paid someone $5 to put on on the list, everyone on the list gets assigned a target, the object is to squirt your victim with a water-gun without any witnesses, you get $5 back per kill
danielpbarron: it took me the whole week just to figure out who my victim was, and i spent most of saturday stalking him at his campsite, finally got right as he was stepping out of his camper, his daughter heard it happen but nobody saw me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00042209 = 13.7909 BTC [+]
punkman: http://unmonastery-wiki.mirelsol.org/doku.php?id=book_of_mistakes:working_texts:mist_200_year_plan
assbot: book_of_mistakes:working_texts:mist_200_year_plan [unMonastery wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETzpId )
jurov: punkman wtf?
jurov: and i got this scam email:
jurov: The King of Thailand has been dead since about the end of 2008. The current King of Thailand is a fake one. The Government of Thailand does not dare to announce his death because it will put Thailand in great trouble. The King of Thailand was keen on photography and he has been seen using his outdated Canon G9 camera even as late as 2012. In addition, his double forgot to remove his watch and appeared to be wearing two watches in the public. Thes
jurov: big mistakes.
jurov: Mr. Dimitri Khalezov is an important researcher and witness to the 9/11 event. In fact, he was a nuclear intelligence officer in the former Soviet Union. He testifies that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were demolished by three underground thermonuclear devices during the 9/11 event. As a matter of fact, there were large cavities found at ground zero (point of nuclear explosion in all English dictionaries printed prior to 2002) and tens of thousands of first
jurov: responders and local Manhattan residents have suffered from cancers as a result of exposure to this radiation.
jurov: sprinkled with clickbaits
jurov: ;;seen Chaang-Noi
gribble: Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
jurov: ;;seen goat
gribble: I have not seen goat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00041729 = 5.55 BTC [-]
punkman: jurov, dunno some kind of commune-hackerspace in italy
punkman: http://unmonastery.org/ ☟︎
assbot: unMonastery ... ( http://bit.ly/1ye0Yar )
chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00042352 = 17.3431 BTC [+] {2}
davout: "Error(473): #bitcoin-lizards Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" <<< lol wtf
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: kakobrekla is it possible for assbot's OTP urls to be predictable (i.e. http://w.b-a.link/otp/MY-FINGERPRINT)?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjjgh5 )
nubbins`: dat inability to create simple bash script, etc
nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9411 @ 0.00042629 = 4.0118 BTC [+]
nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O
danielpbarron: http://w.b-a.link/otps/nubbins%60/last
danielpbarron: coindesk's redditnote piece is exactly the same number of words as mine if you strip out the quotes and the last line about his former job (which i probably should have included in mine); but theirs has less characters than mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3176 @ 0.0009207 = 2.9241 BTC [-] {8}
kakobrekla: nubbins` what danielpbarron said
davout: ^neat-o
davout: yhwh_: your IP showed on join
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2u6k9u/im_a_dominatrix_and_i_was_supposed_to_be_whipping/
assbot: I'm a dominatrix and I was supposed to be whipping a blonde client...but instead I whipped a brunette... : funny ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTsxve )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up JodaZ
davout: JodaZ: o hey
JodaZ: can i advertise for sale here once?
mircea_popescu: you can do anything once.
JodaZ: :)
davout: JodaZ: -> #bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: but yeah, nobody cares, just don't repeat yourself.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in!
mircea_popescu: jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300 << in the immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration.
mircea_popescu: (the immortal words in question : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oW_rEi8X4Y )
assbot: Diablo 2★The Search for Baal Cinematic★[Original]Official Diablo II[D2 Cut Scene] Trailer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15PhBll )
mircea_popescu: chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative? << lmao good one.
danielpbarron: you play d2?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: had a kickass soceress
mircea_popescu: before they came up with bs teleporting gear for paladins and whatnot
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: dat inability to create simple bash script, etc << dat unreading of teh logs. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2015#980456 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2015 16:26:57; kakobrekla: ;;later tell ben_vulpes as requested, json; http://w.b-a.link/user/ben_vulpes/json and http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/kakobrekla/json
danielpbarron: i had a kickass MF barbarian
mircea_popescu: sorcs could really only be frost
mircea_popescu: sadly. i liked teh hydra in d1 a lot.
nubbins`: how could i have missed it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because the log is so incredibly fucking densely packed.
nubbins`: no kidding, hey?
nubbins`: oh, hbd to me
nubbins`: this is my jesus year
danielpbarron: i liked the necromancer but he wasn't very powerful
mircea_popescu: "When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them."
mircea_popescu: for the record that guy was decent.
nubbins`: kakobrekla +1 top kak
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah i liked him too, but yeah, not useful in pvp
davout: i kinda ragequit d2 after my hardcore javazon died...
danielpbarron: LOL
davout: my alt+f4 wasn't swift enough
danielpbarron: i quit when a friend of mine got all my expensive MF gear trade hacked while using my account
mircea_popescu: davout bitch to play, the javazon
davout: such lag in cow-level
davout: diablo 1 was best diablo
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in retrospect, the "expensive" gear of the d2 era was a good joke. 1k would have decked you and alts.
mircea_popescu: these days... heh.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O << me, for one.
danielpbarron: expensive in SOJ terms, not dollar terms; i didn't have credit cards back then
nubbins`: well, you know how to threaten people the right way, obv
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh lol teh stone of jordan
mircea_popescu: fucking idiot blizzard can't make an economy.
adlai: does assbot ever pick up ratings left with gribble after the wotfork?
PeterL: I think you have to add ratings to both wots now
mircea_popescu: adlai ideally a way to crossover is being developed, but practically i've not heard anything from nanotube for a week or so.
adlai: shouldn't it be as simple as, every rating has to contain a signature of the rating data, and then gribble and assbot can just spider eachother all day long?
adlai: and any other wots that spring up
adlai: wot-bots. the web itself would grow larger than any individual bot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00042214 = 6.6909 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ideally.
davout: http://lyle.smu.edu/~tylerm/fc15.pdf
assbot: 404 Error: Lyle Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/15Pm8Em )
davout: « There’s No Free Lunch, Even Using Bitcoin: Tracking the Popularity and Profits of Virtual Currency Scams »
mircea_popescu: meh pdf. who's the author ?
davout: "We manually inspected all services on the list to identify only those operations established with fraudulent intent. For instance, we exclude Hashfast, a mining company that recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as well as losses from Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange that failed."
davout: i stahped there
adlai: http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=3f1cb5e9&page=1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15PmqLt )
adlai: (pdf processed server-side, cloud magic)
PeterL: davout: they think they can differentiate between fraudulent intent and incompetence?
davout: looks like it
adlai: this viewer thingy is cool, you can link straight to the tl;dr: http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=3f1cb5e9&page=15
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjtIFf )
mircea_popescu: PeterL derps that know about bitcoin about exactly the way they know what's best for africa.
mircea_popescu: never left chelmsford.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00042647 = 5.5441 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: mircea_popescu: jurov: ...... immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration. << seems death threats are en vogue recently
mircea_popescu: lol didn't mean it like that
mircea_popescu: twas suppost to be funny.
fluffypony: who needs water or clothing or food when you're a starving African child that has BITCOIN!
jurov: mircea i know :) just had a double take on the (quite literally) part
mircea_popescu: well baal is immortal.
mircea_popescu: so i had a pile of sour cherries for breakfast
mircea_popescu: and now it looks like i'm going to have a chocolate cake snack.,
PeterL: literally or figuratively?
mircea_popescu: if i die let it be known i blame the government
mircea_popescu: literally.
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Been stuck up the airport runway for over an hour :(
jborkl: The peeps are restless!!
mircea_popescu: stand up and announce "This has now been converted into a nudist flight. Everyone please remove all items of clothings. Thank you."
ben_vulpes: i'm making a bacon and caramelized onion omlette
pete_dushenski: jborkl: westerners are always restless
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: No word, just stuck
pete_dushenski: which is why they love smartphones that advertise "turn downtime into uptime"
davout: for before take-off enjoyment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK5n5bQW8FE
assbot: le cochon et le canard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15Pq343 )
pete_dushenski: when they just use them to flip through buzzfeed or some such
jborkl: Austin to Denver on united
PeterL: spend more time doing useless shit and you won't have to think about how worthless you are
jborkl: Maybe they found out I have bitcoin on me
jborkl: Lol
pete_dushenski: davout: lmao
mircea_popescu: davout the note on that video suggests romanian origin.
mircea_popescu: and they seem to me to be romanian francophones
PeterL: how does one have bitcoin on them?
jborkl: Joke joke
pete_dushenski: jborkl: impossibru to have the clouds on you ;/
PeterL: you have a private key tatoo?
mircea_popescu: so the man has a little bullet. stop hussling him!
jborkl: What , hehe I missed something ?
pete_dushenski: PeterL: sorta making the efforts of using a smartphone to always be connected quite counter-productive to the intended objective
PeterL: whose intended objective?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: seems like yesterday turned into national "let's translate romanian poker articles into engrish" day
pete_dushenski: quelle fun :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hard huh.
pete_dushenski: lol not easy
pete_dushenski: but perfectly enjoyable
pete_dushenski: the ol' noodle enjoyed the challenge
asciilifeform: 185063.
mircea_popescu: !s from:asciilifeform
assbot: 43267 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform
jborkl: Something broke, they want to override it and see how that works out
jborkl: So, see ya laters!!
mircea_popescu: 30-01-2015 06:30:13 <asciilifeform> (present height - 183172) so it made < 2k in the past 10 hours ?
asciilifeform: aha
PeterL: was it running that whole time?
asciilifeform: PeterL: in the sense of being switched on - yes
asciilifeform: !s oomkill
assbot: 17 results for 'oomkill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=oomkill
mircea_popescu: 2k > 100.
danielpbarron: lol
asciilifeform: it's connected to the wild net (as opposed to existing node, which would be a more deterministic, if less realistic, test)
asciilifeform: so very much luck of the draw.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: (something the oomkills help, not hinder)
mircea_popescu: ie, get connected to9 shitty node, die faster. it's quite evolutionary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this worked at all well, it'd be synched by now.
mircea_popescu: somehow i suspect that if you had to design say a heron, it'd look a lot less like nature's variant and a lot more like an aircraft carrier
TomServo: lol
asciilifeform: herons don't crash.
mircea_popescu: herons crash all the fucking time.
davout: heron airprox
davout: "heron, go away, this is a class A airspace"
mircea_popescu: !up nokia
pete_dushenski: nokia... i just bought my first one in 15 years this week
pete_dushenski: waiting for the nanosim adapter to arrive
pete_dushenski: then experiment unsmartphone commences!
kakobrekla: which one
pete_dushenski: blu tank ii they call it
pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00O5EUBSI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
assbot: BLU Tank II T193 Unlocked GSM Dual-SIM Cell Phone with Camera and 1900 mAh Big Battery-Retail Packaging-Black Blue: Amazon.ca: Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1A74oRT )
nokia: nokias are tanks
pete_dushenski: nokia: in another time, yes. not sure about the new touchy ones
kakobrekla: dunno, last nail hammering nokia i had was 3210
kakobrekla: imo build quality only went down from there
pete_dushenski: sorta like old mercs were panzers, the new ones are ospreys
mircea_popescu: i kinda agree, they don't make the bricks like they used to in the 90s
mats: 11:41:34 <+pete_dushenski> then experiment unsmartphone commences! << me too. bought a motorola C115 so i can play with osmocomBB
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: i think the 3310 was my first phone
ben_vulpes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC << one of my favorite phones ever
assbot: Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75kpC )
nokia: anyone do the *3001#12345 trick with the nokias?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: yes!
kakobrekla: heres my first phone i got as a kid, also indestructible ; http://itm.siol.net/_m/media/Sagem/39/RC_815_large_363.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75uNM )
mats: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac << foss baseband firmware
assbot: OsmocomBB ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75tt3 )
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: colourful :D
kakobrekla: mhm :D
pete_dushenski: well i intend to test nokia's latest to see how it stacks up against my rose-tinted memories
kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries. ☟︎
kakobrekla: good for memory!
pete_dushenski: if only we could teach 0.5.3 to be so good with memory
davout: lol
pete_dushenski: !b 4 ✂︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0JPAJQQ.txt )
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ^ turd from last night's thread
asciilifeform: placed on www for the record.
mircea_popescu: "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
mircea_popescu: your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
mircea_popescu: in retrospect this is the best discussion of this ever-returning zombie of "cyberbullying" i ever read.
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SCDC38.txt )
mircea_popescu: "If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and t
mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 h ☟︎
mircea_popescu: e'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing. None of them control the capital, none of them get paid 1/1000 of what they bring in for the media company. You know what they do get? They get to be valued by work, and
mircea_popescu: in gratitude they are going to the front lines to fight for the media company's right to pay them less."
mircea_popescu: this is quite exactly it, and it's not limited to poorly educated, insufficiently fucked, infantilized 20something wymyn.
mircea_popescu: the mirror-image infantilized 20something bois are idem fighting for paul graham's right to pay them nothing while turning them into a strange sort of pulp fiction's gimp
mircea_popescu: the funniest thing in all of this isn't exactly the horde of children who don't understand how the fuck they were tricked exactly. the funniest thing is the plethora of articles about how "apple could buy russia"
mircea_popescu: it's going to get even funnier once they actually try.
asciilifeform: why not 'buy' whole planet. what, not enough ink in printer ?
mircea_popescu: no but you know, the fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving as much as a hair of actual matter. ANY DAY NOW
mircea_popescu: i could be sitting in a parisian cafe cca 1815 and lol the same way for the same reasons at the same people
mircea_popescu: this, they call progress.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00041326 = 20.2704 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving << 'dog barks, caravan moves'
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341191 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1528 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45460765013.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.14684
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thank you sir
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49615 @ 0.00041894 = 20.7857 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads
ben_vulpes: this "orphans" routine though, i must say i love it.
ben_vulpes: 'tis another dagger in my belt.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997393 << dat % ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 19:26:09; gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that was cribbed almost wholesale from evil bitcoind
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem is that people are insulated from reality (least it hurts their feelings) and so they are also insulated from everythning interesting, and in the end their own life.
mats: hard work is hard. totes believable.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: people interested in actually doing stuff have b-a. everyone else can be "a contributor" (for bois), or "part of the community" (for womyns)
mats: why do any work when you can generate an altcoin from a bootstrap website and watch netflix
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
mircea_popescu: essentially, because it's fun.
mircea_popescu: "why does the horse run, while the worm can but crawl ? because the horse enjoys to run."
asciilifeform: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase <<< not only sloth, but avarice, is involved. nobody gets rich from honestly fixing satoshi's bugs
asciilifeform: sc4mz0r1ng? promises riches, at least to the foolish
ben_vulpes: bah wealth
ben_vulpes: la vie, c'est le travaille
asciilifeform: arbeit macht frei.
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for stakes and sucking holes in everyones chest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's beyond short sighted.
mircea_popescu: nobody gets rich from being o'reilly's or Sara Miller McCune's hand puppet.
mircea_popescu: people DO get rich, in the manner of their choice, out of accumulating this sort of capital.
mircea_popescu: linus is rich, in that ~he can do what he pleases~. your definition of rich.
mircea_popescu: so is taleb. so is everyone that DIDN'T join the system.
asciilifeform: except that no one does honest scientific collaboration 'to get rich' specifically.
mircea_popescu: the only poor people are the "rich people" making 500k to 5mn a year to pay for their mortgage and college loans.
asciilifeform: them's chumpers.
mircea_popescu: a sudanese, poor as the dirt hre sits in, still has a chance.
mircea_popescu: antonoderpopo no longer has a chance, because he's dead, because a rich guy killed him.
mircea_popescu: and death is forever.
asciilifeform: zombie may even envy the dead.
mircea_popescu: zombie generally does.
mircea_popescu: which explains why suicide is such a big deal in zombieland.
PeterL: so, I'm reading through the bitcoind code as published by the Foundation,
PeterL: / Some explaining would be appreciated << this comment sounds like something asciilifeform would put in?
asciilifeform: where's this
PeterL: by the COrphan class
mod6: that's an original v0.5.3 comment
mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L2788
assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjNmB2 )
asciilifeform: PeterL: also these are not the same orphans!
PeterL: which orphans are these? how many kinds of orphans are there?
mircea_popescu: seriously let's start calling them parentless blocks / pblocks
mircea_popescu: this confusion is counterproductive.
asciilifeform: see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998265 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:09:29; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
mircea_popescu: PeterL orphans are short lengths ofchain that were abandoined in favour of a competitor.
mircea_popescu: parentless blocks are blocks which arrived to a node before their parents, and so can't be evaluated for validity (yet)
asciilifeform: my understanding is that the demented name confusion came about because originally these were handled using the same routines.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: because system engineering is a topping for pizza.
asciilifeform: street pizza.
PeterL: 10000 btc pizza?
asciilifeform: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=street+pizza&defid=6660692
assbot: Urban Dictionary: street pizza ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjNEI3 )
ben_vulpes: mk a contention:
ben_vulpes: "reference node should only keep track of a single chain: the longest discoverable"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3235 @ 0.00096678 = 3.1275 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: how ?
ben_vulpes: that, i do not know.
asciilifeform: the whole process for learning which the 'longest discoverable' is
asciilifeform: requires keeping track of a certain quantity of non-longest.
ben_vulpes: but in keeping around orphan chains, the enemy can pollute ones disk trivially.
mircea_popescu: lol how about "bitcoin should just work" then
asciilifeform: but again, these are the -other- orphans.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd
mircea_popescu: but that is a point for later.
mod6: pblock is probably not a good name, since in most of the code "pblock" is what is denoted for a pointer to a block.
mircea_popescu: ah eys right mod6
ben_vulpes: bastardblocks
mircea_popescu: ?blocks
mircea_popescu: that's obvious and intuitive enough ?
mod6: they really are "orphans", since an orphan is someone with out parents right? so im fine with calling them orphans, i think there is confusion around how these come into existance.
mircea_popescu: except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents"
mats: http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2015/01/technical-analysis-of-qualys-ghost.html << i'm slow on the draw, but this was a good read.
assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Technical analysis of Qualys' GHOST ... ( http://bit.ly/163qQxZ )
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair point there.
mod6: maybe "disconnected blocks" or something
mircea_popescu: works
kakobrekla: lost i say.
ben_vulpes: hah lols
ben_vulpes: lost
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is a point for later << that's a point from last night
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998303 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:22:59; asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'.
mod6: kakobrekla: i like that.
pete_dushenski: plus ca change: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/sthennow/
assbot: s/then/now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/163rcVf )
pete_dushenski: ^that cyberbullying convo was well timed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well really it was a point from ever since gossipd was discussed, but w/e, not mature yet.
asciilifeform: 185554.
pete_dushenski: later gang!
mircea_popescu: 500 in 2 hours ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: so at the present rate, done by conference time :D
asciilifeform: not linear.
mircea_popescu: well technically it's improved, over the 200/hour earlier :p
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/diafygi/webrtc-ips << well here's some strange
assbot: diafygi/webrtc-ips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjOXGW )
ben_vulpes: https://diafygi.github.io/webrtc-ips/ << and the demo (warning: hostile)
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjP19y )
jurov: i propose "mislaid blocks" :DDD
mircea_popescu: teh slutblox
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" << Latchkey Blocks
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i'll be lucky to get my butt in a miata this decade
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: webrtc-ips << lol!!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wanna be hero? post some packet filter rules for this crap
jurov: forlorn, delinquent, remiss, slack, behindhand, belated ...literary english has plenty of words. just dorks know none
asciilifeform: no reason not to chop it off at the wall.
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jurov: whole IT is master, slave, orphan, vorgin, etc.
jurov: *virgin
ben_vulpes: obsessions of the unsexed
mircea_popescu: jurov word.
mircea_popescu: beloated blocks is not bad.
davout: lol jurov
mircea_popescu: sorta like belation causing bloat thing
asciilifeform: bloatsam.
asciilifeform: (as in floatsam)
asciilifeform: or was it flotsam
ben_vulpes: the latter
ben_vulpes: blocksam
mircea_popescu: brock pierce ?
ben_vulpes: any time anyone brings up brock i think of pokemon.
asciilifeform: when someone brings up 'pierce' can't help but think of pederasts
asciilifeform: or rather, russian prison buggery
asciilifeform: which, according to scholars, divides those who have been 'lowered into pederasty' into the 'pierced' and 'unpierced' species
ben_vulpes: 'pierce' << i think fondly of that time in my life when i had several holes in my face
asciilifeform: the former, those who have been ceremonially buggered in the usual sense, the latter - those who have not (or not yet), but have been assigned the caste
asciilifeform: 'getdata... ...can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
asciilifeform: (from the bitcoin.it www)
asciilifeform wonders if anyone else considers this to be lame
ben_vulpes: i.
ben_vulpes: have in fact complained about this in the past.
ben_vulpes: !s getdata
assbot: 3 results for 'getdata' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=getdata
BingoBoingo: Making money in college Illigu
BingoBoingo: http://dailyegyptian.com/western-courier-editor-suspension-adds-to-list-of-student-censorship/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfk9Ur )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can be safely snipped.
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=getdata
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: getdata ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfker9 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what can be
mircea_popescu: it will cause trouble at some point down the road, because eventually the blockchain will overwhelm the index.
mircea_popescu: however, it can be implemented as rolling window, which is how in point of fact "relay set" works
asciilifeform was thinking the opposite - civilized nodes could provide arbitrary tx access
ben_vulpes: hear hear
ben_vulpes: not really the remit of the RI tho.
ben_vulpes: RI, by my understanding: downloads and verifies blockchain; regurgitates blocks on demand; relays transactions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not indefinitely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so long as overhead is O(n) or below, why not
mircea_popescu: i dun think it is.
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asciilifeform: 0.5.3 - certainly not
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: mathematically - quite achievable
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's
asciilifeform: (for non-usa folks: the 'college racket' does not consist merely of tuition and housing that go up ~10%/yr., but also miscellaneous vampirisms like textbooks that stay almost exactly the same but for the exercise set orderings, at 100-400 usd a pop, moving target every semester)
ben_vulpes: i didn't even see the reorderings, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: you know the one time a smarmy teacher tried to be all american and make the class buy a book we complained to the provost and he nearly got kicked out.
mircea_popescu: apparently growing up in the civilised world has its advantages
mircea_popescu: (it didn't last tho, meanwhile romania joined nato and every college prof is hawking his own dumbass books)
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's << can't say as that was my experience. i rocked the boat constantly and still managed to eke some funding out of the university for harebrained rocket schemes
coderwill: ben_vulpes: hello, apologies, i have been busy for a few days, but noticed your mention the other day about options
ben_vulpes: oh, mostly just trolling you
coderwill: ben_vulpes: the first thing i asked was to see the cap table
coderwill: ben_vulpes: sorry wasn't around to reply
coderwill: so when i asked to see the cap table, was told that no one except investors are allowed to see cap table
coderwill: then what mike_c said was almost exactly what happened afterward, ironically
mircea_popescu: next time tell them "listen bub, i'm not fresh off the turnip truck. you want to hire me on pure salary, it's $1,5mn the first year payable upfront and increasing by 1mn each eyar after that.
mircea_popescu: now go get that cap table."
coderwill: yeah, i thought about that at the time, but then was like, well, i guess i'm getting to work at one of the most well-known wallet providers, that could be good for subsequent opportunities
mircea_popescu: except it's moreover bad.
coderwill: correct, that was a naive thought in many regards
mircea_popescu: well, at least now it's in the logs.
trinque: coderwill: nah man, that "this will at least be good for my resume" thing is just a way of learning to love the pole
mircea_popescu: it's how amanda hess works, at any rate :D
coderwill: haha, it's all good
trinque: everyone in the industry under 30 is a perma-intern
coderwill: i am thankful for the opportunity and it has let me to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board
trinque: that said why fight for equity if the businesses wont even be there in a few years
ben_vulpes: yeah fuck equity
trinque: maybe 2 of the 7 I've worked for still exist
ben_vulpes: short the shartups
trinque: one of those is my own
coderwill: at the same time, there are some people i really enjoyed getting to know who i'd be happy to work with again. it's just a few that made it very strange for everyone
coderwill: trinque: agreed, equity is not all it's cracked up to be
trinque: well it's not equity; it's that the companies are largely worthless
trinque: I had looads of shares of the terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago
trinque: company's dead; shares aren't worth one reddit note
mircea_popescu: trinque pushing for equity is an essential tool in evaluating the company.
mircea_popescu: peopel tend to forget that working for a start-up is a LOAN.
coderwill: trinque: reminds me of a quote from @fakegrimlock - https://twitter.com/fakegrimlock/status/487334449089372161
trinque: mircea_popescu: oh certainly!
trinque: just commenting on the worthlessness of american startups
mircea_popescu: well the only way to survive is to nmot work for a worthless one.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: i like your idea about working for a startup being a loan
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-meta-problem/
coderwill: mircea_popescu: seems like the ones that think of it that way are far and few between
mircea_popescu: coderwill think of it in sexual terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going to be around in ten years to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my taxed income in the future ?"
mircea_popescu: traditional employment of the "that's a firm to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for that reason.
coderwill: haha
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coderwill: it's a bummer people can't be more straight-up with potential hires
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems this state you describe in the article is terminal
mircea_popescu: which one ?
trinque: coderwill: you have to force them to be, and if you can't, why would they?
coderwill: i guess there is a flipside though, which is people wanting everything
trinque: mircea_popescu: the meta problem
trinque: if a person can't reason enough to reason that they'd better improve their reasoning, fucked
ben_vulpes: fucked without external intervention.
trinque: maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will
trinque: right
ben_vulpes: hence beatings.
coderwill: trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally
coderwill: or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes to the table thinking "what's in this for us" instead of "what's in this for me"
mircea_popescu: trinque aka d-k as hanbot points out
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will << main point of slavery.
mircea_popescu: "you'll be eating dogfood off the floor until you can X"
trinque: poking at the roots of the brain directly, read that in another recent article
mircea_popescu: coderwill yes, that and the frankness are the predicates of this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on.
mircea_popescu: it's just altogether a much better model.
mircea_popescu: it only works for rich, smart people, but then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley, they'll have fun together.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and their friends.
trinque: ben_vulpes: dat irl wot
ben_vulpes: wots rule everything around me
ben_vulpes: mind you, coderwill "friends" is not the criteria.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at the end
ben_vulpes: it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl".
trinque: ^ requires good stock that knows the meaning of respect
ben_vulpes: tricky, indubitably.
asciilifeform: 185964.
ben_vulpes: as an aside, the whole vesting thing is odd.
ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why not by the pound ?
asciilifeform: !s which screw
assbot: 16 results for 'which screw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=which+screw
ben_vulpes: i don't quite know if this is topologically different from an option pool with a vesting schedule, except that it provides some fairness proportionality to the time worked
asciilifeform: try paying the 'which screw' man by the hour.
ben_vulpes: i've no business with "which screw" men.
ben_vulpes: everything we touch gets the shit automated out of it as a precondition of touching it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent?
asciilifeform: iirc there was programming involved?
ben_vulpes: read, think. occasionally commit a line or two of code.
ben_vulpes: others: read, think, occasionally produce a UI layout.
asciilifeform: and the fella who has to think for two hours to come up with xxxx, should be paid 2x the pay of the 1h one ?
asciilifeform: am i the only one who thinks this is odd
ben_vulpes: the fella who thinks for twice as long is generally not paid nearly what the one who can see it instantly.
ben_vulpes: (is).
asciilifeform: the latter is called 'which screw'
ben_vulpes: you're forcing a metaphor.
ben_vulpes: some read and do (the correct thing) very quickly, and are remunerated in proportion to their time spent and speed at which they do it.
ben_vulpes: this allows the man who only cares to work for 15 hours per week to do so, comfortably, provided he's good at what he does.
asciilifeform: hourly billing, esp. for engineering, always seemed like the worst possible incentive to me
asciilifeform: the most valuable contractor is the one who magicks away the problem in seconds and then gets out of yer face
ben_vulpes: well, we work with derpy web stacks man.
ben_vulpes: each a snowflake with its own peculiarities.
asciilifeform: especially there, this ought to be true ?
asciilifeform: the master of a particular turd can 'turn the screw'
ben_vulpes: as we get up to speed on a given codebase/ops story, shit moves vastly more quickly.
asciilifeform: civilian - will be reading the horror for weeks
trinque: really hard to quantify this stuff
ben_vulpes: no doubt, asciilifeform, no doubt.
asciilifeform: the gnarlier, uglier, the proggy, the more potential for 'screws'
ben_vulpes: but someone must invest the capital to justify loading it into a team's shared understanding.
asciilifeform finds the above ^ a bit confusing but may be out of depth
ben_vulpes: the source must be read, neh?
ben_vulpes: this takes time.
ben_vulpes: someone must foot the bill for that.
asciilifeform: unless you already knew (or even wrote) it
asciilifeform: (consultant)
ben_vulpes: sure, for greenfield absolutely.
cazalla: nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate <<< some kid printed out ICQ chatlogs that he was not even involved in and took them to the police
ben_vulpes: but what about the project whose maintainer has ghosted themselves off to the next interesting thing?
asciilifeform: even for straight reverse-engineering, there are order-of-magnitude variations in the amount different folks have to read to grasp the problem
asciilifeform: i bet you can think of some examples of this, from your own practice
cazalla: nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O <<< i made TV too because what else happens in the sticks, thankfully minor at the time.. all this shit because i said i was gonna machine gun a bunch of people
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: several.
ben_vulpes: i'd not go so far as to say "order of magnitude"
ben_vulpes: perhaps 2x to 3x
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! <<< i criticised the jews :\
mats: cazalla: lemme guess. 'ButterNubber'?
cazalla: mats, that's not me
ben_vulpes: in our snowflake of a case, that's more due to the difference between people who've seen things like the bug under the microscope before, and people who've yet to learn the myriad of tools and mental models to cope effectively.
mats: the mystery continues.
ben_vulpes: a bit of economics: in training those people, their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes.
trinque: ben_vulpes: is being drunk a mental model or a tool
trinque: that one makes django a breeze
ben_vulpes: trinque: well if you know what you're doing, and you're climbing with Ballmer...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes << naggum wrote at some length on this subject
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd love to read it
ben_vulpes: there's another side to that as well, which is that the people with whom I work who do things at the 2x-3x range of the others actually enjoy teaching juniors and collaborating on these projects.
ben_vulpes: non monetary remuneration.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3134574475962391@naggum.no.html << one bit. there was more, somewhere
assbot: Re: Newbie questions - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuQTx6 )
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3184272714185846@naggum.net.html
assbot: Re: What Lisp needs to beat Java, etc. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuR3EM )
asciilifeform: 'Let's put it another way: Money will _not_ get you any Open Source or Free Software. People create software like this because they want to, _not_ because they get paid. Money is a basically a _detractor_ for creative people who want others to use their software and through that become personally visible. It is pretty sad, but money does not offer visibility to someone who is begging for others to notice him. Open Source a
asciilifeform: nd Free Software are proofs that computers are alienating in the old Marxist sense and the Open Source and Free Software projects are reactions to this sense of alienation, in order to make the person stand out from the computerized nothingness.'
danielpbarron: it's like a starving artist kid i know that will spitefully do a poor job if you pay him to draw something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we definitely diverge from the original topic significantly here, but "community" and "belongingness" is a core part of what we do.
ben_vulpes: we have relationships with our clients, get to know their business and make a nominal difference in how they do it.
coderwill: ben_vulpes: sorry, delayed reply - yeah i get what you are saying about hiring friends
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yeah, linked piece is not quite what i was looking for
asciilifeform: it's in there, somewhere.
asciilifeform: (*in the archive)
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: i'd like to be more familiar with that archive.
ben_vulpes files it for peacetime
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/index.html
assbot: Erik Naggum comp.lang.lisp archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMUgap )
asciilifeform at one point snarfed up all of it
trinque: !up felipelalli
trinque: felipelalli: you're going to want to get yourself a cloak
trinque: and a properly configured irc client
trinque: somebody in here likes to ddos IPs that appear in logs
trinque: I'm sure we're all being scanned for hax as well
trinque: ^heh! fled
cazalla: why the name change trinque?
trinque: cazalla: this was always my otc handle, and hence the name that made it into assbot
trinque: and why use an alias
cazalla: guess i gots to make another symlink in my mind much in the same way i made one for bitcoinpete
BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25RYXFV.txt )
trinque: BingoBoingo: is this to highlight "why use an alias" for when I'm hauled off to room 101?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, just wanted to highlight brain symlinks
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kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: changing names not a good practice?
ben_vulpes: so long as the fp doesn't change how does that matter?
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: you'll need a cloak.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes think of it this way: why dont we just use FP instead of nicks ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was sorta the plan in 'gossip'
asciilifeform: nick is just something you'd assign locally to an fp, for convenience
kakobrekla: reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998582 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 16:49:48; kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
kakobrekla: yes, locally
kakobrekla: thats different matter.
asciilifeform: this is actually more like how names work in life
asciilifeform: i.e. you have some say in what folks you meet will call you, but not 100%
kakobrekla: but say you rated undata at some point, and then he changes nick to pirateat40 and you will wtf next time you check your ratings
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: why?
davout: kakobrekla: dat true
kakobrekla: now, this is just a one time inconvenience, but say everyone would change all the time. nicht gut.
davout: i can hardly remember who this kakobrekla guy is anyway
kakobrekla: see its already hard for frenchies.
asciilifeform: so:
asciilifeform: bitcoind limited to 'orphanage' of 50 blocks (running on ordinary pc) never syncs
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/
asciilifeform: stuck at 3466.
jurov: and does the std limit of 750 help with oom after all?
asciilifeform: almost certainly not (quite definitely not on 'pogo')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was right in that a fundamentally more intelligent mechanism for retrieving blocks is necessary
asciilifeform: testing a build of same with constant of 250
asciilifeform: if the memory footprint can actually be limited, the smaller machine can perhaps be allowed to swap to disk.
davout: being able to request blox from peers for a certain height would solve the whole thing instantly
asciilifeform: aha.
jurov: malicious peers can poison us with orphan chain up to that height
jurov: anyway
jurov: i'd suggest to use difficulty
davout: if you're connected to only malicious peers you're kinda fuxxored anyway
asciilifeform: malicious peers not even needed for this
asciilifeform: it happens reliably, anyway
jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints
jurov: then producing fake blocks is.. well dificult
davout: "malicious peers not even needed for this" <<< how?
asciilifeform: davout: the flood happens nearly always in the natural process of loading blocks
jurov: (just spur if the moment idea)
jurov: *of
davout: ah, i thought you were referring to jurov's 'malicious peers' objection to consider requesting blocks based on height
jurov: now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?
asciilifeform: experimental result:
asciilifeform: (250, x86)
asciilifeform: ten minutes of run, 127937 height (and going at that rate), at no point process exceeded 90MB
asciilifeform: but!
asciilifeform: seems like it got lucky with peers
asciilifeform: log shows that only two 'bastards' came in
asciilifeform resets
asciilifeform: grep "ORPHAN BLOCK" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | wc -l
asciilifeform: ^ 'bastard count'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22125 @ 0.0004171 = 9.2283 BTC [-]
mod6: Anyone wanna test out a perl script for me? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Wp8V8n9h
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVycPy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11346 @ 0.00041058 = 4.6584 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 2nd run (see above) :
asciilifeform: after ~15 min, 950 (iirc) bastards, 85MB max footprint - reached a wedge state at 119970 (1983 bastards, came in burst)
mod6: yal
asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found yyyyyyyyy
asciilifeform: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed xxxxxxxxx
asciilifeform: ^ of this form
asciilifeform: go figure, dislodged.
davout: jurov: "now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?" <<< i don't think so. if you have 8 peers you'll get two different blocks at different diff for the same height, hard to feed you a bogus chain
asciilifeform: stays in mem footprint
asciilifeform: (2800 bastards in)
asciilifeform: 124000 & counting
asciilifeform: this is actually an unsurprising result
asciilifeform: if connects to a peer who insists on pumping it full of bastards, cyclically, of course it wedges.
asciilifeform: but when wedged, does not oom.
mod6: wait until you get to here:
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1K109AP
assbot: dpaste: 1K109AP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EURyoS )
asciilifeform: based on the footprint, the orphanage burner functions
asciilifeform: same effect at 131019...
asciilifeform: 4570 bstrds
asciilifeform: 117MB max footprint
asciilifeform: dislodged
asciilifeform: ergo, when it hits a retarded peer, grunts for a while
asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection
asciilifeform: retards can go pound sand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040756 = 11.0041 BTC [-] {3}
mats: cheer up
mats: can you feel ma love from over the tubes?
trinque: he said, inching closer, staring without a blink
asciilifeform: blocks=136927 bastards=7631 peak=120M
mod6: you're running with a 250 size limit cap now right?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: (on x86 box)
mod6: cool
danielpbarron now has 3 pogoplugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10442915 = 1.2531 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: that's neat. gonna test RI on 'em?
danielpbarron: what is RI
mod6: reference implementation
mod6: (v0.5.3 + patchez)
danielpbarron: ah, yes
mod6: werd. lettuce know how it goes. :]
BingoBoingo considering http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2760 as future desktop machine. Seems to satisfy stuff in bag, carry much distance criteria.
assbot: The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Introducing the MintBox Mini ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cxltn )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo likes soldered-in wifi ?
BingoBoingo: solder melts
BingoBoingo: Antennas snip
asciilifeform: why not buy things that don't require mutilation.
BingoBoingo still populates list with candidates. can see merits of wifi for hotel camping scenarios, but prefers unpluggable wifi
asciilifeform: blocks=137849 bastards=8647 peak=128M
ben_vulpes: interesting hostname, berndj
ben_vulpes: hmph. nevermind.
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.so/images/2/2e/66548.jpg << bitcoin 'core' developer
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cy6mf )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/e/ed/ArApp.jpg << see also
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cycum )
asciilifeform: ought to be a book!
danielpbarron: i'm ssh'd into this thing; pretty neat
danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2tzjp7/hi_reddit_im_bill_gates_and_im_back_for_my_third/co68xd5?context=8 << persistent guy!
assbot: GoldenVizions comments on Hi Reddit, I’m Bill Gates and I’m back for my third AMA. Ask me anything. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfXEP9 )