punkman: davout, does gpg already do that?
davout: punkman: i'm a heretic, i'm on osx, but the gpg i have does it, o wait, its probably zsh, stupid me
davout: but even without autocomplete you can just give the first unambiguous chars of a key name and gpg will be smart enough to pick the right one
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, gpg already recognises destinations by name, email, keyd out of the box
davout: moar convenience i guess, but that's what you describe, gpg is smart enough if there's no ambiguity
punkman: I haven't used GPG enough then
punkman: (I am registered on WOT though)
davout: punkman: if you're on osx chain it with pbpaste and pbcopy for extra awesomeness
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.099 = 0.693 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0993 = 0.3972 BTC [+]
davout: anyway, chain gpg with whatever streams your clipboard from or to the standard input
davout: benkay: what, are words supposed to have a meaning now?
davout: well... pipe it then :-)
davout: i'll pipe pankkake to /dev/null
davout: disregard this, i perform pipes
pankkake: can't deny it, being a mac user and all
mircea_popescu: davout a spool is the object upon which you collect a thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001898 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {6}
davout: also used for rolling movies up
davout: i heard this word before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22316 @ 0.0008745 = 19.5153 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout it exists as a verb too. to reel = to shake from side to side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1773 @ 0.00018227 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {5}
thecapitalr: i mean are they really faking their numbers
mircea_popescu: seems the linked post is made out of fairly uncontroversial and easily checked statements.
mircea_popescu: the impugned cbtc stuff however doesn't meet the same standards.
punkman: anyone notice that doge-dice is making more money than just-dice?
pankkake: because it didn't have a nakowa early on, I suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00087415 = 20.3677 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: I think so
Duffer1: thecapitalr just keep your btc bro
thecapitalr: what do you mean? i own shares in the company already im thinking bout selling them
pankkake: I bought months ago at 18. I sold
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00018001 / 0.0002106 / 0.00024700 (120310 shares, 25.33788095 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.0001689 / 0.00025999 (1044852 shares, 176.47235917 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00013876 / 0.00025999 (2428517 shares, 336.98324991 BTC)
thecapitalr: ok thanks guys i gotta go ill probably sell it sketchs me out
pankkake: what's sketchy? I'm not following
mircea_popescu: why ask two weeks after rather than two weeks before ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09915 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2}
thecapitalr: and i thought that it was a good buy until i read that post on bitcointalk...
ozbot: TopatoCo: Oglaf Book One (Adults Only)
mircea_popescu: punkman i agree. sadly they don't respond to emails and don't have a (working) relationship with an agent and don't fuck anyone i fuck and so on.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the love will have to wait cause im not about to give topatoco w/e 20 dollars so some people i like can make 30 cents
peterl: does oglaf have a bitcoin donation address?
punkman: I gifted a book to a friend, not sure she appreciated it
peterl: xkcd does, I have donated
mircea_popescu: peterl whatever they have they don't pass the openbsd test
punkman: no word from piratebay yet?
peterl: what is the openbsd test?
BingoBoingo: peterl: Are you capable of accepting money for having done a good job pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the openbsd test is a venue where i can go hi take me to your leader and they do.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (337 shares, 1.85350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5354 shares, 29.44700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32725 shares, 179.98750000 BTC)
peterl: is that how openbsd got a bunch of money from you, by passing the test?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't HAVE to be an irc chan, but that's prolly the simplest implementation.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: and also if anyone actually manages to get in contact,
pankkake: someone told you to use exoclick?
ozbot: The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and since we're taking wired, blaze, washington post and all the rest of the crap, here's some interesting internets newz :
pankkake: sure, but the form has a "ad inquiries" choice
ozbot: New York company says it can beam free OUTERNET Wi-fi to every person on Earth | Mail Online
punkman: mircea_popescu: is wifi from satellite even feasible?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's about on par with all the other media crap
mircea_popescu: punkman sure it is. in the sense the sec and italian govt and everything else are feasible,
mircea_popescu: i would guess beaming skittles from mars is also feasible.
punkman: how is my puny wifi card gonna talk back to the sat though?
pankkake: so trees stop wifi but space doesn't!
mircea_popescu: kinda what verizon and etc have been trying to build all along
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00087372 = 29.6191 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, where is that horror from ?
peterl: if MP is reacing out to do advertisements, should we expect the price of S.MPOE to go up soon?
Apocalyptic: peterl, are you really expecting an answer to that ?
punkman1: mircea_popescu: is this month gonna have more new accounts than previous one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00087665 = 33.2689 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087349 = 6.0271 BTC [-]
thecapitalr: i threw .2 BTC into it a while back... not a whole lot obviously but enough to test the waters
benkay: if you're operating at the interface of fiat and bitcoin, you're going to have a bad time.
benkay: i'm much more of a niobe kinda guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22136 @ 0.00087326 = 19.3305 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ThickAsThieves: what is the actual deal with Neobee after all?
kakobrekla: nubbins pissed cause neobee doesnt use him to print their shits
benkay: actualy neobee is a great name
benkay: It was on occasion of the annual celebration in honor of Latona and her offspring, Apollo and Diana, when the people of Thebes were assembled, their brows crowned with laurel, bearing frankincense to the altars and paying their vows, that Niobe appeared among the crowd. Her attire was splendid with gold and gems, and her face as beautiful as the face of an angry woman can be. She stood and surveyed the people with haughty looks. "What
benkay: folly," said she, "is this! to prefer beings whom you never saw to those who stand before your eyes! Why should Latona be honored with worship rather than I? My father was Tantalus, who was received as a guest at the table of the gods; my mother was a goddess. My husband built and rules this city, Thebes; and Phrygia is my paternal inheritance. Wherever I turn my eyes I survey the elements of my power; nor is my form and presence
benkay: unworthy of a goddess. To all this let me add, I have seven sons and seven daughters, and look for sons-in-law and daughters-in-law of pretensions worthy of my alliance. Have I not cause for pride? Will you prefer to me this Latona, the Titan's daughter, with her two children? I have seven times as many. Fortunate indeed am I, and fortunate I shall remain! Will any one deny this?
thecapitalr: i sitll like them... interested in seeing what happens on the 23rd after their ipo runs out
benkay: anyways, point is some mortal gets arrogant and struck down by the gods
benkay: thecapitalr: what were the terms of their ipo? "buy our stock at this price, trading begins on this date"?
benkay: three month gap between first stock on sale and first public trade?
thecapitalr: im not sure.. i honestly am just learning.. I know that their IPO price on LMB holdings is .003 but you have been able to trade it on havelock for a while. The price on havelock is also ~.003
thecapitalr: they are not selling it on LMB after the 23rd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00087123 = 34.5007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06882355 = 1.17 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00087077 = 22.4659 BTC [-]
benkay: i just don't see the genius, thecapitalr
benkay: i just don't see any good reason to move my btc into neo/bee's pockets
pankkake: I think it's the other way. you move your EURs
pankkake: if they manage to have many merchants in cyprus, why not?
pankkake: though the question is… what has bitcoin to do with it
benkay: some speculative plays in mpoe, nsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00086994 = 25.2283 BTC [-]
benkay: the fundamentals of neo/bee are horrible compared to the btc fundamentals.
pankkake: s.nsa is mostly an investment in btc at this point :)
benkay: it's got a nice bottom
pankkake: I'm not discussing the merits of neo&bee as an investment
benkay: and by bottom i mean foundation?
herbijudlestoids: hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price
benkay: what ams even blog, herbijudlestoids?
pankkake: yeah, but I think we would agree on it, so, nothing else to say ;)
benkay: chasing that -assets economics award?
ozbot: bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00087087 = 26.039 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: har trolling business partner
benkay: "it has curly braces! it must be javascript!"
benkay: the least google-able programming language.
ozbot: Disney absorbs Infoseek - Jul. 12, 1999
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00087245 = 38.0388 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: i know pankkake - still a horrible name
KRS-One: makes me think of flat woman tits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 85 @ 0.00480078 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 214 @ 0.00472864 = 1.0119 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3572 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: replacing my OTPS url with yours, obv
nubbins`: kakobrekla, tsk, accusing me of such things ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00087415 = 11.5755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28806 @ 0.00086993 = 25.0592 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: yeah, just gimme a couple minutes to set up
benkay: u guys why ams even database password?
benkay: crazy rando db password 'cause what if cluster am breachified
benkay: password which is in source control.
nubbins`: that's not me, i don't have a chess.com account
nubbins`: anyway, if you hadn't offered to play, i would have burned my bread. just grabbed it in time
pankkake: benkay: well don't put it in your source control silly
benkay: pankkake: i'm talking about everyone else out there
benkay: and also ssh keys all the thing
pankkake: I haven't seen it much, but maybe because I usually influence those things
pankkake: a lot of frameworks allow you to keep some things separate easily
benkay: i mean i just don't get it
benkay: unless you have the rigor to do a '12f' application, don't fuck around with cargocult 12fa
benkay: just lock the boxes with ssh and go smoke a bowl breh
decimation: ugh. reading net.cpp from bitcoind that asciilifeform pointed out yesterday is a crazy mess
pankkake: eh. postgres does not even require passwords, provided the querying user is in the right group or something
decimation: optimization for supposedly transparent features
benkay: unpassword all the things
benkay: secure acces with *nix roles and ssh
benkay: sufficient for like 90% of cases
pankkake: I use tunnels for a lot of things
benkay: problem is everyone wants to think they're in the 10% of cases that need rigor
benkay: i keep a repl in production
pankkake: and yeah, authentication on the protocol level is usually useless, redundant, and a liability (i.e. "can you really rely on it")
pankkake: I would never open a mysql server to the world, always use a tunnel
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids> hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price <<< lawl
mircea_popescu: of course, blogspot can never qualify for assnob price
nubbins`: don't hate on the man's hosting!
pankkake: blogger makes static files and easily exportable data. not much to hate.
nubbins`: pff, as if staying away from blogger is going to make a difference there
pankkake: herbiju*: I'll provite leet hosting for a 5% cut of the prize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00087487 = 18.8097 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: pankkake the extent of your demands makes roses wilt in the fields.
mircea_popescu: srsly, static filed and "easily" exportable data ? that's it ?
pankkake: it means you are free to move elsewhere quickly
mircea_popescu: whenever you're done taking it in the ass you can move quickly
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. say by putting a link TO THEMSELVES on your shit.
mircea_popescu: say by deciding which of your articles need a special click through page.
pankkake: the second you don't like it you can move out
mircea_popescu: say by disqus-ing your commenters avant disqus was invented even
mircea_popescu: i bet that's how disqus was born, some ycombinated heads were sitting around and one went
mircea_popescu: 'you know what'd be really retarded ? if we made blogspot-style comment forms like a stand alone"
pankkake: typically disqus is shit because you don't have control of the comments
benkay: maintain all files locally.
benkay: push to arbitrary box.
pankkake: disqus exists because static blog generators didn't resolve the comments part; and making the result worse in the end!
pankkake: and until I have a mail-to-comment gateway, I'm sticking to wordpress
benkay: yeah the comment engine thing is a problem
benkay: not really a big problem in the grand scheme of things
benkay: but still leads to all sorts of derpage in public like disqus
mircea_popescu: blog on blogspot, make a yahoo stores shop, bank with paypal, wtf is this, reddit ?!
pankkake: wordpress.COM has much less shit
pankkake: and well, you can go from the .com to your own instance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC
nubbins`: honestly the only hassle with wordpress.com is trying to funnel both your email and your web traffic through the same domain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00087709 = 2.048 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ehh, more likely that they'd just prefer you use wordpress.org instead
nubbins`: can't have too many features in the trial version
nubbins`: stopped to make sure it was a good move ;(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is actually remarkably stable to fuzzed chains
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone actually did this, may make for a good blogpost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00087803 = 1.4048 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07299999 = 1.095 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 153 @ 0.07344999 = 11.2378 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: not what i was expecting you to do. d6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00087844 = 6.5005 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.528755 = 2.115 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: ascii do you want to get some measure of robustness to error?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1865 @ 0.00087803 = 1.6375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
nubbins`: maybe the second worst move possible
nubbins`: always the bridesmaid, never the bride
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0008699 = 5.1394 BTC [-]
nubbins`: unless it's a canadian airport
ozbot: Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00087031 = 6.3263 BTC [+]
nubbins`: gg, didn't even see that coming :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42883 @ 0.00087653 = 37.5882 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it has Bitcorn, the only naysayer from the NY hearings
nubbins`: heh, had to check. apparently not :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00470133 = 2.3507 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids it would be interesting to analyze s.mpoe price based on 2012 earnings and then see how that analysis would have performed over 2013.
benkay: back test all the things
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) >> pretty much it.
herbijudlestoids: guise, i setup a page to grep the log.bitcoin-assets for mentions of my name
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: if what you quoted is what you took away from the blog post, i guess i must suck at communicating.
mike_c: you said priced efficiently, no?
herbijudlestoids: i said, if we assume, for the sake of an experiment, that the market has priced efficiently, then this is what its implying as EPS growth
herbijudlestoids: theres nowhere that says its overvalued. the point is, you get paid a decent long term return if the implied EPS is <= actual future EPS. if its > then you dont.
herbijudlestoids: if you can somehow prove the price is (or isnt) locally efficient, then we can talk about how informative the price is
mike_c: "We are talking a range of 126% - 170% here" << i read into this a tone saying it was too high. not what you were implying?
mike_c: "that the Market Implied EPS Growth rate for S.MPOE is very, very high."
mike_c: very very seems to be impying too high :)
herbijudlestoids: "This premium over normal fair values (compare to our earlier SPY example) assigned by the market under assumptions that EPS growth will be very large. Investors who pay the premium today will be rewarded with reasonable returns only if the actual future EPS growth averages at or above this level for a significant period of time. Otherwise the investment can reasonably be expected to provide a poor long term retur
benkay: the curse of technical fields
benkay: humans operating in those fields frequently lose the ability to communicate with others outside of those narrow, ultraspecialized fields.
mike_c: i don't care if you are saying it was too high, you are entitled to your opinion.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: im not saying too high lol, im saying *this is what the market is implying EPS growth will be*
mike_c: so you have no opinion on the price? you are just a calculator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0053544 = 0.2624 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: whether or not i have an opinion really has shit all to do with the article
mike_c: ok, so forget the article. i am curious what your opinion is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0008755 = 44.0377 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: your opinion is what differentiates you from a calculator
benkay: quants like programmers want to be valued because they can make the numbers do stuff
benkay: but nearly always forget that the interpretation is where the real money's at
benkay: so: herbijudlestoids: mpoe: overpriced or no?
herbijudlestoids: you guys sure are weird sometimes. benkay, the point of the article is to highlight things that people might not know about. if i had some info or opinoin that MPOE was undervalued or overvalued, why would i put it on the blog for morons to see instead of just buying or selling MPOE?
mike_c: why not do both? talk your book.
benkay: 'cause nobody's going to read your blog
Duffer1: Herbi you should paywall your blog, make them work for it ^.^
benkay: yeah and talk your book
benkay: what's weird about talking your book?
mike_c: you want an opinion out of me? s.nsa is underpriced. go ahead and trade on it.
benkay: hell yeah nsa's underpriced
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: well it depends i guess. mircea_popescu was telling me something about 1% being the natural RoR in bitcoin under one calculation but in a different calculation 1000s of %
herbijudlestoids: if we are operating under assumption of bitcoin economy, i would say its fairly priced, not undervalued
benkay: loglink? herbijudlestoids
mike_c: add those thoughts to your post. it will improve it. blog readers like opinions with their stats.
mike_c: if your opinions can be as polarizing as mp's you can even charge for it.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: see that is useful feedback which i appreciate. your earlier comments just get my grill.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i don't think the entire "growth" bs is worth two shits.
herbijudlestoids: misread the post, misunderstood the point, derogate me based on that
mircea_popescu: a high price in btc does not reflect an expectation of that thing to grow.
mike_c: you gotta thicken your skin a bit. you get riled too easy.
mircea_popescu: to make eps etc comparisons between btc and fiat, fiat must first be converted on a % of m3 basis.
herbijudlestoids: there is no fiat involved and i explicitly state so at the end of the article
mircea_popescu: so inasmuch as google is worth 1% of all dollars today and 1% of all dollars in 2050, a high price of google stock is warranted at all points because google is important
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids seems to me all notions of growth are imported from fiat.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: all securities have an internal rate of return
herbijudlestoids: if the price of S.MPOE does not include growth, then why am i paying more than its dividend value for it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.07838228 = 2.7434 BTC [-] {6}
Duffer1: do you post that info anywhere MP?
mircea_popescu: well it's all highly speculative, nobody has the first inkling wtf is going on here.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why do i need to buy a security then? the rate of conservation for holding bitcoin is 100%
mircea_popescu: but im attacking herbi because he's much too immersed into fiat nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it's 9x% depending how competent you are with wallets and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: why do people bet on bitbet ? "so they can't spend the btc", sez someone yest.
chetty: well mine has this silly habit of growing when I don't look too often :)
mike_c: plus inflation. bitcoins in the sofa will shrink on a % basis.
mircea_popescu: mike_c this is actually true, tho at the rate we're going by the time btc moneyness reaches balance the remaining inflation will indeed be very low
mircea_popescu: but i suspect this is the overarching point here : 1% gains over a century are immense,
herbijudlestoids: so are you gonna explain it or do i just wallow in my retardedness
herbijudlestoids: im asking. you said focus on rate of conservation...i fail to see why i would invest in any security in that case, rather than investing in good wallet practices etc
mircea_popescu: you could invest in good wallet practices just as well
herbijudlestoids: youre saying something like...the rate of return is not important, this other rate, the rate at which an economic activity can "conserve" bitcoins
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's consider the historical case as it played out. s.mpoe vs pmbs
mircea_popescu: which is pretty much what everything else is, with sparse exception.
mircea_popescu: a pmb will reward X% per interval, and decay Y% per interval, with Y > X for all cases.
mircea_popescu: mpoe is so structured shareholders can only make a gain. thus Y > 0, X =0.
mircea_popescu: trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points.
mircea_popescu: no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit"
mircea_popescu: consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken.
mircea_popescu: you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value
ThickAsThieves: for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface
mircea_popescu: in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out.
Bugpowdurr: If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowdurr: And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ?
mircea_popescu: normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart.
Bugpowdurr: "Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those."
mike_c: you know you can sell it when you're done, right?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years.
Bugpowdurr: I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other.
ThickAsThieves: herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions
Bugpowdurr: but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation
Bugpowdurr: Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment
mike_c: well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't.
herbijudlestoids: so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then
mike_c: i'm not claiming that.
mike_c: well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now)
mike_c: hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:7C] 1D: 0.00414026 / 0.00414026 / 0.00414027 (23 shares, 0.09522599 BTC), 7D: 0.00330000 / 0.00447172 / 0.00787947 (266 shares, 1.18947875 BTC), 30D: 0.00310008 / 0.0051724 / 0.00789999 (1033 shares, 5.34308438 BTC)
mike_c: nvm, anything on havelock.
herbijudlestoids: uh...so youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return?
mike_c: no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months)
herbijudlestoids: if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes
mike_c: i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone?
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform.
mike_c: underperform compared to what though.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10%
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i said *asset*. any of them, it doesnt matter.
mike_c: freenode is not healthy right now
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple?
Bugpowdurr: Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail.
mike_c: herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe?
herbijudlestoids: if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it
mircea_popescu: whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00513044 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve,
mircea_popescu: this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite.
mircea_popescu: basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here.
mircea_popescu: this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018035 = 0.9018 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved
ThickAsThieves: i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1564 @ 0.00017688 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0051107 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {8}
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon...
mircea_popescu: o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth.
ThickAsThieves: cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such
herbijudlestoids: cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation
mike_c: Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ?
Duffer1: mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation
mircea_popescu: (don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0008739 = 11.0548 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner,
mike_c: the havelock market implies a lot of things
mircea_popescu: such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed
mircea_popescu: wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit
mircea_popescu: and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc.
mircea_popescu: o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server.
herbijudlestoids: ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency.
ThickAsThieves: i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful
mike_c: is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential?
mircea_popescu: twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity
herbijudlestoids: the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high
mircea_popescu: but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with.
herbijudlestoids: if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth
herbijudlestoids: then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far"
mircea_popescu: and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third.
mircea_popescu: can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented.
herbijudlestoids: so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation"
KRS-One: love that pic of magical tux
mircea_popescu: the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite
herbijudlestoids: by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever?
herbijudlestoids: MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument.
mircea_popescu: obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 588 @ 0.00017372 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally.
mircea_popescu: currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11294 @ 0.00015837 = 1.7886 BTC [-] {5}
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head.
mircea_popescu: (which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers)
ThickAsThieves: it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future
herbijudlestoids: the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price
mike_c: however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt
mike_c: fire up the day trading bots
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space.
mike_c: also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs.
mircea_popescu: actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade
mircea_popescu: as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end.
herbijudlestoids: if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence.
mircea_popescu: yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.00087253 = 15.2222 BTC [-]
ozbot: Google NGram Experiments | Information Is Beautiful
chetty: its never the tools fault
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones
herbijudlestoids: anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued.
herbijudlestoids: to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ozbot: 3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1833 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.3479% in 11d 21h 30m 20s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
cads: Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now.
cads: today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00087073 = 17.4581 BTC [-]
cads: It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, Twitch.tv.
cads: In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by twitch.tv) the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc.
cazalla: btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies
☟︎ cazalla: not sure if it still stands, this is years ago
cads: wow, definitely show him this
cazalla: we don't talk lol, not for years
cads: (he probably knows anyways)
cads: everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes.
cazalla: not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him
cazalla: i need to finish the latest one that came out
cads: millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content
cads: along with the multinationals feeding off of them.
cazalla: shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon
cads: It would be hard to mess that up.
Duffer1: some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up
cads: mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies?
cazalla: yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar
cads: in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies.
cads: it is highly disturbing.
cads: to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies
mircea_popescu: so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile.
cazalla: pokemon and bronies are unrelated
cads: cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2704 @ 0.00087129 = 2.356 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe
cazalla: and most gamers are adults afterall
cazalla: so you can't compare the 2 things
Namworld: Hmm... BTC.sx has a clear lack of capital.
cads: mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences.
cads: My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies"
cads: these are "bros" that love my little pony.
mircea_popescu: ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss.
cads: that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head
jurov: bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers
mircea_popescu: which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain
cads: jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers
mircea_popescu: but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.527 BTC [-]
Namworld: To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more.
cads: jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job.
Namworld: jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3896 @ 0.0008724 = 3.3989 BTC [+]
Namworld: With some huge age gap in-between
cads: Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius.
jurov: i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired
cads: I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo.
cads: rainbow dash's storm cloud
cads: I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid.
cads: *shrug* - meme poisoning
cads: jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials
cads: _maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition
cads: the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes.
cads: and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it
jurov: i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then
Namworld: I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00015811 = 0.3953 BTC [+] {3}
cads: Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit
mircea_popescu: Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share
mircea_popescu: 2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion;
cads: we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr
Namworld: Advertising revenue is easy to quantify...
mircea_popescu: so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme.
cads: Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes?
cads: mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company.
jurov: hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows.
jurov: doubt these executives were female
mircea_popescu: cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ?
mircea_popescu: this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false.
ozbot: In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins
jurov: and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D
jurov: and wants to be a president
cads: I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn.
cads: I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21312 @ 0.00087124 = 18.5679 BTC [-] {2}
cads: and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00087073 = 20.6363 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.072 = 0.648 BTC [-]
cads: I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube.
ozbot: POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube
cads: The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user.
cads: So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements.
jurov: cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting?
cads: if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube.
cads: their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine
cads: to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day.
mircea_popescu: cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather.
jurov: also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally
cads: not a lot, but enough to be worth studying
mircea_popescu: you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00087152 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives"
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game.
mircea_popescu: if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do
mircea_popescu: you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion
mircea_popescu: the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for.
Mats_cd03: how important is having more nodes, exactly
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms
mircea_popescu: one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been
jurov: Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely
jurov: that's all i need to know
Mats_cd03: i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes
Mats_cd03: i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing
jurov: up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB)
cads: blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago.
jurov: bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me
cads: And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently.
jurov: but it averages out
Mats_cd03: i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good
cads: mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough
cads: I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke
mircea_popescu: the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex
mircea_popescu: you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00087012 = 6.2649 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00087166 = 14.9926 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1215 @ 0.00015683 = 0.1905 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44544 @ 0.00086944 = 38.7283 BTC [-] {4}
cads: hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation
cads: can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money?
cads: it already had 18 million in the bank
cads: the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors
cads: when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff"
cads: so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002989 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
Duffer1: it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site
cads: the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins.
cads: what would you guys do?
cads: jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan?
Duffer1: ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help
jurov: do about what? monetizing reddit?
Duffer1: it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines
cads: "we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches"
Duffer1: i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say
cads: jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0008718 = 7.4539 BTC [+]
cads: a reddit video news channel?
Duffer1: the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century
Duffer1: reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions
cads: "we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic"
MisterE: cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit
cads: just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism
cads: independently rich tech types?
cads: that just love their reddit and coffee?
MisterE: yea and becasue Swartz started it
MisterE: reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians
MisterE: I wish someone would do a docu on reddit
cads: On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up
MisterE: like TPB it's well mirrored
cads: haha, slashdot seems to be doing better
cads: they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year.
cads: apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P
MisterE: yea we boycotted them all last week
MisterE: I unsubbed from newsletter
MisterE: still /. fills a niche no one else does
MisterE: their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse
MisterE: community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats
MisterE: I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa
MisterE: cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site
Diablo-D3: srsly? you're going to pull that card?
Diablo-D3: what community, and thats always been his fucking site, no matter whos actually owned it
Diablo-D3: its why its been shit since day one
Diablo-D3: and I have a 5 digit slashdot UID, I fully well know what slashdot used to be
MisterE: it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship
Diablo-D3: slashdot is up to what, 8? 9? now?
Diablo-D3: does it even display UIDs anymore?
ozbot: Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot
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MisterE: fuck them for taking down their mea culpa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49152 @ 0.00086907 = 42.7165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21027 @ 0.00086967 = 18.2866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3515 @ 0.00087092 = 3.0613 BTC [+]
Vexual: i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that
Vexual: hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;)
Vexual: jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like
jurov: no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy
jurov: within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js
Vexual: id like to speak to r3wt
jurov: maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn
MisterE: why would someone claim they know php / js and don't?
MisterE: like you can't fool people
benkay: one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while
benkay: the internet is a biiiig place
benkay: cost of identity is still low
benkay: we'll see how things change when that does
benkay: in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation
benkay: their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation"
benkay: (all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin)
benkay: "hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time"
benkay: "OMG IP AND CORE COMPETENCIES AND ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG"
benkay: whatever happened to getting the job done?
Vexual: yeah it's these managerial types
benkay: their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00086902 = 30.4592 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling.
benkay: praying for a successful pivot, i warrant.
Vexual: you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!"
benkay: i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps
benkay: but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment
benkay: wait no hang on they're great in some applications
benkay: argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11312 @ 0.00087092 = 9.8518 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00299 = 1.3126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26960 @ 0.00087113 = 23.4857 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00299 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0008718 = 16.3088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17593 @ 0.00087272 = 15.3538 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00299 = 0.2093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.0008701 = 21.97 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law | ExtremeTech
jurov: what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3
jurov: that's really useful only for mining and such
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.002989 = 1.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00087269 = 23.6063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.002989 = 0.6127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086875 = 16.5497 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00087079 = 24.3386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087079 = 24.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5275 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00087079 = 28.9973 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00299 = 1.0644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00086857 = 12.4206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00017493 = 1.5744 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00086855 = 24.2325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00084449 = 1.2667 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 986 @ 0.00043495 = 0.4289 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.075005 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00087079 = 7.0969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00017499 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00299033 = 0.3259 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086986 = 26.9657 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34255 @ 0.00087305 = 29.9063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50050 @ 0.00086846 = 43.4664 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19977 @ 0.00086822 = 17.3444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39423 @ 0.00086796 = 34.2176 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15195 @ 0.00086762 = 13.1835 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3004 @ 0.0001901 = 0.5711 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00019899 = 0.2985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00019899 = 0.3982 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 541 @ 0.00019101 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00086553 = 40.3337 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00020997 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086482 = 7.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19452 @ 0.00086447 = 16.8157 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0008642 = 11.7099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33810 @ 0.00086646 = 29.295 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16890 @ 0.00086747 = 14.6516 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199999 = 0.144 BTC [-]
davout: Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard
nubbins`: absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-]
nubbins`: oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+]
nubbins`: for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked
gx: ThickAsThieves what's that?
gx: doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P
nubbins`: why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building
gx: i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-]
nubbins`: why's that, you held up a mirror?
ozbot: Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: best way to get people mad at ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired
nubbins`: well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really?
nubbins`: candy crush: the saga continues
nubbins`: they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song
ozbot: King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ozbot: Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet
ozbot: Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - WSJ.com
nubbins`: "police described the death as no big deal"
ozbot: Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - WSJ.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. "
nubbins`: "i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service."
nubbins`: they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat
nubbins`: boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3}
gx: can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works
gx: is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on?
gx: oh, i see the faq now
gx: so i assume it's all api-based
gx: this looks interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2}
gx: need a 30 btc minimum buy in?
kakobrekla: bah, same thing as to mp happend to me
kakobrekla: a safety check i coded long ago and forgotten about it - fuckin up my trades
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 577 @ 0.00018912 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086997 = 10.6571 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: Quite insightful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.003 = 0.231 BTC [-]
CiPi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-dRBnr2Ak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07344999 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087066 = 14.0612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07345 = 1.1018 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm finally eligible for "Hero" on the forums, but my activity is not high enough
ThickAsThieves: CBTC added all the unsold shares to the market so HL would display the cap "properly", not bad i guess, but now people have to worry whether they are sold on the sly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3478 @ 0.0008657 = 3.0109 BTC [-]
TomServo: Wow. There is more than one person that labels their music "cyberpunk". dafuqever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22961 @ 0.00086302 = 19.8158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5449 @ 0.00086302 = 4.7026 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: Is there any way to reclaim my nick in WOT if I lost the key or am I just SOL? (yeah, I know I shouldn't have lost the key in the first place)
Jere_Jones: Think they could find my key for me? :)
kakobrekla: even using one key to dispute another is a questionable practice
KRS-One: its just best to post both keys to pastebin so you can get them any time
KRS-One: wow i thought they had a perm option
Jere_Jones: My options seem to be: 1) Dig through old hard drives in an almost futile effort to find the keys or 2) Establish a new nick
kakobrekla: you can ask people who rated you to rate you again on the new handle if you can convince them so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.09992857 = 1.399 BTC [+] {2}
Jere_Jones: It is the age of the nick that I would like to preserve and the nick itself because that it is what I use everywhere.
pankkake: tip for next time: save a revocation key :)
Jere_Jones: Also, don't lose the keys. At the time, I didn't see any real value in the wot and thus treated my keys as disposable.
jurov: why don't just back up whole /home?
jurov: gugabytes of cloud storage are cheap nowadays
Jere_Jones: Of course, *now* I would do things differently.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27169 @ 0.00086246 = 23.4322 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: but you still aren't :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00086168 = 0.8884 BTC [-]
pankkake: backup your gpg key to the cloud? lol
jurov: why not? once protected by, say, duplicity passphrase, second time by gpg passphrase
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 740 @ 0.00020198 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk
pankkake: yeah, with strong enough passphrases you should be ok
pankkake: my "cloud" (not really, dedicated servers with FDE!) backups are actually encrypted to my gpg key
jcpham: i name my wallet backups porno.avi
pankkake: jcpham: people would want to look at porno.avi
jcpham: kakobrekla is it more or less deceptive if I just made that up
kakobrekla: on right, in reality its under wallet.dat
jcpham renames wallet backups to two_girls_one_cup.rm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00086487 = 9.6641 BTC [+]
jcpham: i lost all of my bitcoins to scams, anyways
jcpham: labcoin IPO wiped me out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52303333 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70014252 BTC to 2`116 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
jcpham: sitting on 18k doge though
jcpham: it's a cautionary tale. all bitcoin investments are scams
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.523 = 2.092 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: except the ones that aren't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07345 = 1.5425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.063 = 0.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0734 = 0.2202 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0734125 = 0.2937 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00086371 = 15.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07345 = 1.9832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00086363 = 26.643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
benkay: good morning, assettes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07345 = 0.3673 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07345 = 1.2487 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.09683331 = 3.1955 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07349996 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52100002 = 1.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.09420665 = 2.8262 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00511253 = 0.8078 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: heh. "low cost bitcoin atm"
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (577 shares, 3.17350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4623 shares, 25.42650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (33230 shares, 182.76500000 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07349999 = 1.8375 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735 = 1.2495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
ozbot: VH1 Orders 'Naked Dating' Series (Exclusive)
Diablo-D3: I bet its just dating that is without all the social rigamarole
Diablo-D3: because if its actually naked naked... its on vh1, WHATS THE POINT
bones`: across the naughty bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.085 = 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37426 @ 0.00086493 = 32.3709 BTC [+] {2}
Diablo-D3: Ive seen boobs and vaginas of every shape and size
Diablo-D3: little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them
bones`: To protect the children who live on a remote rural area with no access to internet who still have yet to see "little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them"
Diablo-D3: they should show it in school, to be honest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00086571 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: some sort of internet education course
Diablo-D3: actually, it could be part of sex ed
bones`: 8 year olds have smartphones, they are looking at it sans the education part
Diablo-D3: introducing kids to various kinky behaviors
Diablo-D3: and teaching them its healthy to have a kink, and yadda yadda yadda condoms, safe words, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07371428 = 1.548 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.000845 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00086571 = 14.8036 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The European Union’s Directorate-General for Internal Policies Riccardo Ribera d’Alcala who authored the plan wrote, “The use of stigmatizing labels should be ended, and the pejorative term ‘bankruptcy’ should be replaced with the more neutral ‘debt adjustment.’”
mircea_popescu: the pejorative term for a thief should also be replaced with the less neutral ribera d'alcala.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002989 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads reddit will definitely make money from doge tips.
deadweasel: Diablo-D3: www.discovery.com/tv-shows/naked-and-afraid << no point, just naked idiots with their bushes, in the bush.
ThickAsThieves: "US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden is elected to post of student rector at Glasgow University."
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell duffer1 it's unclear you can do much shaping, specifically because of the weapons grade idiots. basically your choices will be whether you want them to spell stupid with a b or p, d or t. otherwise... stubid is stupit.
mircea_popescu: that inception moment when you realise reading through the assets log is the most fun thing you've done all day.
ThickAsThieves: Secretary Kerry warns climate change is a 'weapon of mass destruction'
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads: "they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year." i think you don't fully appreciate the impact of tax optimization on all these deals.
mircea_popescu: that fucktard seriously was running for president at some point huh.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell misterE you musta misclicked something, i see it ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: intellectual property
mircea_popescu: whatg i don't know is what the whole sentence's supposed to mean
benkay: it's a satire of an overwrought technical manager
benkay: "I am concerned about retaining rights to my intellectual property and building an engineering team that can document its own work. Plus lots of emotions."
mircea_popescu: so you offered to do documentation for them, and on rehash you offered to work 2 hour days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 34 @ 0.00301008 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: topologically the same thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
benkay: fractional days are a bad practice
benkay: a) clients think in hours instead of projects
benkay: b) it's really hard to get shit done in fractional days
benkay: fractional weeks however let me shift work around as necessary to get the big six-hour blocks in which we're productive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06849998 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves where do you find all the btc posers fucking hell
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla we are now fuckbrothers, as we have been fucked up by the same thing!
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones no. there is no way to reclaim anything once you lose keys. never ever EVER lose any keys ever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
benkay: i'm looking for your sister
benkay: heard she sucks a mean dick
benkay: look you win fast types again
mircea_popescu: i shall comission a special hat to commemorate the occasion
benkay: nubbins` will paint you in your fancy hat
ThickAsThieves: i just slaughtered a bunch of ants, the vegan gods will not be happy
mircea_popescu: upon the poofball shall be inscribed a logo aimed to represent fast typin'.
benkay: it's like dwarf fortress
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think the vegan dogs only care for you not to eat mammals.
benkay: "he is wearing a masterfully wrought cap with a poofball made of cave spider silk"
benkay: "on the poofball is an icon representing his fast typing victory over benkay"
benkay: mircea_popescu you gotta fuck with dwarf fortress
benkay: right benkay the legendary ogre of vampire slaying
benkay: "benkay's head is cowed"
mircea_popescu: no, benkay the diminutive ogrelet of having been sick in his childhood
benkay: the generative art and history of dwarf fortress is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: he has one butterfly wing coming out of his shoulderblade
benkay: more like the vicious midget - only american raised in violence since 1920
mircea_popescu: jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk << indeed. it's not made by the power rangers, not using qt, etc.
mircea_popescu: incredible how people 20 years ago could like... you know, program computers.
benkay: "these are your fathers parentheses"
mircea_popescu: "tysat, if you believe they are pump and dumps, seriously who do you think is behind it? mtgox? the btc elites? honestly, if someone is pumping and dumping in an organised way, as a means of screwing new investors then the entire alt community should hunt them down"
mircea_popescu: the entire alt community couldn't burn down one of my pubes if someone lent them a stair and matches.
pankkake: the entire alt community wouldn't exist without pump and dumps
ozbot: CrazyRabbi abusing Trust-System
pankkake: scammers and beggars are a community
mircea_popescu: they are a community. in 1800s bucharest there was a place called "podul calicilor", which pretty much means "the bridge of the scammer and beggar comunity".
ThickAsThieves: "So if I buy some shares in NeoBee from havelock now will I get more dividends than if I buy the shares after the 23rd of Feb?"
Jere_Jones: Speaking of scams, I have always thought, and the dictionary agrees with me, that a scam was defined by dishonesty. BingoBoingo made a comment that a scame is defined by "not paying". Whether not paying is due to malice, incompetince, or a natural disaster is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones this revolves around the concept of meaningful difference.
mircea_popescu: because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless.
☟︎ ThickAsThieves: hey i asked for no service, what are you a government?
Jere_Jones: So "scam" is used, not as an attack on one's character, but as a characterization of their trustability?
mircea_popescu: i shall now charge myself for self-zinging commentary a 5 atc tax.
mircea_popescu: there not existing any malice anyway, their character === their trustability.
Jere_Jones: Incompetence is something that everyone starts out with.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of magical php, any language out there which isn't served enough by 3 and has 4 or more ?
Jere_Jones: "Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00086507 = 19.7236 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07398787 = 2.4416 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: im really looking forward to clauses like if i ==== j then else if i === j then else if i == j then else if i = j then.
mircea_popescu: what, everyone gets a banker certificate with their birth certificate now ?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: some programmers check twice, or allocate a variable twice, to be sure. I'm not kidding.
bones`: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".
mircea_popescu: pankkake i think that may be leftover from the old days of cobol horror.
pankkake: well, the ones I've seen do it were fresh out of school
mircea_popescu: "any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from turpid stupidity"
bones`: So good at being bad it must be a mistake?
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying that the ignorance itself doesn't lead to comptence
mircea_popescu: most of the high ticket scammers are going for that angle.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel you aware of the neoplatonist loophole you got there right ?
deadweasel: i'm aware of rabbit hole I stuck my head it here, but not the formal proposition of it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.074 = 1.554 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if not ignorance, then what ? if not hunger leads you to sate, then what ?
deadweasel: you don't eat you die, happens all the time.
mircea_popescu: for once death is, you are no longer, and while you still are, death is not.
deadweasel: and if I really know what the truth of that is.
mircea_popescu: doesn't depend on anything, if it isn't it couldn't possibly cause.
mircea_popescu: that which is is, and necessarily is, whereas that which is not is not
deadweasel: What if 'I' is not only the body/mind, what if there is a consciousness beyond this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.000202 = 0.303 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: even so. no presumption as to your body or mind was made.
deadweasel: i'm just saying since we don't know the final outcome, assuming it ends at death is a big jump.
mircea_popescu: and /me beams at having injected into conversation like the oldest remaining text as well as various other classical bits
deadweasel did way too much introspection this weekend.... or just enough?....
Jere_Jones: Seems to me that being incompetent is a transitional phase that must be passed through. The key is to minimize outside exposure to my incompetence while I work through it?
Jere_Jones: A label that must be applied by a third party?
Jere_Jones: Why can't I say "I am not competent to create X. I must improve."?
mircea_popescu: omg look at this, there's no anaxagoras on teh english web
mircea_popescu: but what if you lack the metacognitive capabilities to see this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29269 @ 0.00086507 = 25.3197 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: The more time I spend in here, the more I realize that I know exactly squat.
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: in fact, empirically, if you think you're not competent enough to create x you must improve you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
mircea_popescu: whereas if you think you're competent enough to create x and need no improvement you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser.
Jere_Jones: My opinion of my own competence is irrelevant to my actual competence?
bones`: Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field.
ThickAsThieves: although it's typically more fruitful to assume you are wrong than right
deadweasel: then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true.
deadweasel: so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead?
ozbot: Olympia Brass Band - funeral dirge - YouTube
bones`: Trying to find utility in delaying your progress for an afterlife is hard for me
deadweasel: your heaven sounds lame. I'd like not to administer ALTCOIN in heaven.
Jere_Jones: If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless.
mircea_popescu: do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths
mircea_popescu: rather than as to repeat the history of common mistakes.
deadweasel: i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree.
bones`: blah blah Edison, 1000 ways a lightbulb doesn't work
bones`: Just try to fail with satoshis instead of tens of BTC
mircea_popescu: bones` this sounds smart but it is really just a moving of the trash under the rug
ThickAsThieves: “There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.”
deadweasel: knowing where that point is, I think, is a skill derived from failing continously up until that point.
bones`: Getting passed that first failure helps
deadweasel: the jumping off point, for idiots, is as soon as they have an idea.
mircea_popescu: "hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00086363 = 26.168 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones except if people want different proportions.
Jere_Jones: You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together.
ThickAsThieves: i can tell you that mixing sriracha and ketchup is pretty good
mircea_popescu: then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used.
mircea_popescu: actually this company could come up for its first product
ThickAsThieves: since i cant even tell my jokes from my seriouses, i wanna note that coelho is retarded
ThickAsThieves: assburger's that could be the name for the ketard sriratchup company
deadweasel: working with aspies on a regular basis, I find that hilarious.
mircea_popescu: yeah. S.ASS. Assburger, inc. An aspie-rational food product company, and MORE.
mircea_popescu: "Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m
mircea_popescu: yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is.
deadweasel: ycombinated minds... again, get yer phraseology outta my brain, mp!
benkay: shit apples still taste like shit
mircea_popescu: it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with.
mircea_popescu: basically it's, if you're under 30 you're too stupid to do much anyway. if you're over 30 and us you're too stupid to ever recover
mircea_popescu: or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire.
benkay: it's a shame that y combinator is now understood to be a shitty us gambling operation
mircea_popescu: never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality.
mircea_popescu: dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor.
mircea_popescu: Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors.
mircea_popescu: Safello, which also saw Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread).
mircea_popescu: "look, fifteen people put in fifty bitcoin each! THIS IS HUGE NEWS!!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.062604 = 0.313 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i dun remember if i even bothered extending it or what happened in the end.
mircea_popescu: and now for something completely different : any interest in a potential S.POT, which'd be a company dedicated to acquiring a florida pot growing license ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year
kakobrekla: s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check
KRS-One: florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them
KRS-One: funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics'
KRS-One: I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all.
mod6: well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc.
KRS-One: Anyone besides me here in FL?
deadweasel: KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally?
ThickAsThieves: all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+]
KRS-One: ThickAsThieves same here..sucks for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York"
mircea_popescu: pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: what's the relation with paris?
KRS-One: deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions.
KRS-One: Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound.
KRS-One: yeh those are typical names
KRS-One: ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island?
kakobrekla: pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock.
KRS-One: I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there.
ozbot: Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida
KRS-One: I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool.
mircea_popescu: for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc :
mircea_popescu: what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ?
deadweasel: KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+]
deadweasel: raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas
KRS-One: East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona
KRS-One: Did you see much from the oil disaster there
ThickAsThieves: so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be
deadweasel: mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues.
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point.
KRS-One: my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast
KRS-One: As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D
deadweasel: my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking
mircea_popescu: i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere.
KRS-One: deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right?
ozbot: Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right.
davout: black swan is supposedely an awesome read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins,
davout: worth being ordered? so be it
ThickAsThieves: "Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance.
davout: ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC
kakobrekla: he did express some feelings re dogecoin though.
ozbot: Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster."
kakobrekla: im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs.
mircea_popescu: dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there.
davout: kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked
mircea_popescu: " tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners.
mircea_popescu: which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric
mircea_popescu: otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. "
ozbot: Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market
mircea_popescu: "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
Apocalyptic: mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one
mircea_popescu: "At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting."
mircea_popescu: none of these people are english native speakers are they.
pankkake: also, they have the fake altcoin
mircea_popescu: The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy
mircea_popescu: We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta.
mircea_popescu: Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+]
pankkake: cryptorush also has negative balances
dub invents next big thing
Apocalyptic: cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume:2,800.36597993
ozbot: Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do
mircea_popescu: we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way
pLambert: I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing.
davout: a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh
mircea_popescu: so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel
mircea_popescu: curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything
kakobrekla: first s.pot, now buying facebook shits
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests!
mircea_popescu: but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price
mircea_popescu: also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site
davout: even localbitcoins has a better engine...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted
mircea_popescu: <Devianttwo> iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago
ozbot: Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume
mircea_popescu: I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea
mircea_popescu: r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <Devianttwo> which it looks like they are...
Apocalyptic: <Devianttwo> for the love of god who broke them now...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3}
Jere_Jones: Their order matching engine must be completely whack.
mircea_popescu: fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ?
davout: it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator.
davout: it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator
nicknock: hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and btc.sx is out of reserves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of
nicknock: mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate.
nicknock: heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already
ThickAsThieves: Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown
ozbot: Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube
nicknock: how are the mpex fiat futures settled?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4}
davout: nicknock: it's in the contract
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-]
ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5}
nicknock: TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of?
ThickAsThieves: nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first
Jere_Jones: "I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for."
mircea_popescu: he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny.
Jere_Jones: Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that!
jurov: have you seen the recent slovak film about her?
jurov: she's very charming
ozbot: Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb
jurov: some hints.. but it's never clear
jurov: it's just weird as everyhinng from that director
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages.
jurov: they can, but only if they are in love
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all."
mircea_popescu: i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done.
Jere_Jones: By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism?
Jere_Jones: I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future.
mircea_popescu: dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ?
Jere_Jones: I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy.
Jere_Jones: Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth.
ThickAsThieves: this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine
mircea_popescu: so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing.
Jere_Jones: My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid.
Jere_Jones: KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs...
Jere_Jones: Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them.
Jere_Jones: Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now?
Jere_Jones: Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now.
Jere_Jones: That's a long time to work dead-end jobs.
jurov: how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like
mircea_popescu: "I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27983 @ 0.00086271 = 24.1412 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved
mircea_popescu: The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
mircea_popescu: The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law.
jurov: as i'm watching this, got very strong suspicion about doge
jurov: just watch the orchestra video
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
ozbot: BBC News - Big bitcoin exchange 'fixes' trading glitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24762 @ 0.0008635 = 21.382 BTC [+] {3}
jcpham: mtgox has fixed bitcoin hoorah!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37257 @ 0.00086271 = 32.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07302727 = 0.8033 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0008648 = 8.9074 BTC [+]
KRS-One: Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1183 @ 0.00021259 = 0.2515 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 694 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.003025 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00302185 = 0.4805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06250006 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0770003 = 0.539 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00086172 = 25.4207 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
ThickAsThieves: "thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.00085718 = 29.4081 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently.
ozbot: Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
cazalla: young for a stroke esp deadly one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36802 @ 0.0008648 = 31.8264 BTC [+]
ozbot: EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg
arij: what was that bitcoin prediction website?
the20year2: ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
jcpham: dogecoin support coming to mtgox in just shy of 2 weeks time
the20year2: i was thinking thursday was their announcement if they'd resume withdrawl/deposits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.00086489 = 1.1901 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay."
ThickAsThieves: quoted imediately after he was asked how paypal could compete with bitcoin