hegemoOn: well thank to my honesty, when i bought monero from him otc
hegemoOn: im discovering mpex.co and trilema
hegemoOn: i need 30.01btc to continue my discovery :)
danielpbarron: 1 S.QNTR share per word published, not including blockquotes (or footnotes?)
danielpbarron: it's about 5 USD worth per paragraph at current prices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00042614 = 17.8127 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12457 @ 0.00042661 = 5.3143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3143 @ 0.00042701 = 1.3421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00042701 = 3.715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00042179 = 5.7574 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00042809 = 8.5832 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: but if anyone meets the criteria, there are more than enough bids on s.qntr to make it worth your while, bingoboingo and i can't cover every single one so there is room
TheNewDeal: How does one receive shares sans mpex account?
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 454.36058 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 98962.6777544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.38, Best ask: 219.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 219.47, 24 hour volume: 10130.00972289, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 221.18131801
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00042981 = 6.1678 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: mandarin: quit fucking joining and parting
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mandarin quit fucking joining and parting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042981 = 8.0374 BTC [+]
PeterL: I feel like I need an explanation, wth are they doing?
mike_c: so turn off join/part notifications?
mike_c: 'doctor, arm hurts' 'ok, i will build robotic arm for you'
PeterL: add culprits to ignore list?
mike_c: auto-ban seems harsh for something that may not be intentional
PeterL: but according to gavin, disk space doubles every year, so you should not worry about bloat!!!1!
mike_c: if assbot autobans though, it may be actual person next time
danielpbarron: it's the same message over and over so it should compress well :p
mike_c: but, i am biased as i have join/part turned off.
danielpbarron: hey that was a different quit message; i think he got the message
PeterL: does log bloat count as ddos? it is not really denying you services?
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 02:58:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
PeterL: I guess it would be different with a concered attack rather than one idiot with a bad connection
PeterL: so you are suggesting putting in a join/part cap autoban now, to stop potental attacks in the future?
danielpbarron: maybe a command similar to !down that requires a few people to initiate
danielpbarron: or maybe the reverse; assbot autobans, and if it was a mistake someone can !unban
PeterL: maybe if kicked then assbot also bans for n minutes? (n=30?)
decimation: asciilifeform: I second request for the likbez, would be useful to link
decimation: re: ddos < last night I noticed my internet had been taken offline by ISP, and I wonder if somehow the ddos'er can hack cloaks
decimation: well, I have a dsl modem with shitty chinese firmware
decimation: in its 'status' page it said "DSL Connected" but "Internet Disconnected"
decimation: I'm pretty sure "internet disconnected" meant that the pppoe session was down
decimation is sad that ppp is used over a perfectly 8-bit clean channel
decimation: there's plenty of shitgnomery in telco deployments
decimation: in this way, the docsis design is at least a clean sheet without layers of 'channelized data' thinking
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assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 18:53:32; fluffypony: besides, this is a trivial problem - all IRC servers in a network need to be in-sync (services etc.), so just sync up a table of IP -> random string key-value pairs
decimation: danielpbarron: yes, it is amazing that nobody has done this
decimation: only the endpoint server to which you are connected has any business knowing your ip
decimation: the shitgomes at google and facebook manage to 'sync' your account across many machines without revealing your ip to anybody
Adlai: disclaimer: ideas produced on or around 4:20 are to be considered as highdeas, regardless of the author's actual mental state (in this case, drunk)
mircea_popescu: cazalla bingoboingo "It would be nice to see more articles like this, but I won't hold my breath." :D
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PeterL: now they are saying that the friendly syrian rebels are different from ISIS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2703 @ 0.00041619 = 1.125 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i can almost feel this coming, you know, by 2018 it will be "these ukrainian rebels that did ATROCITIES!!! that russia invented!"
PeterL: in Ukraine the rebels are terrists
mircea_popescu: PeterL not those rebels, the other rebels. the derps in kiev.
mircea_popescu: this is my ukrainian prediction : that before the decade is out a) kiev will be widely reported to have run atrocious concentration camps and b) the us/nato will be misrepresenting themselves as "against this" and russia as somehow related to it.
mircea_popescu: i have never known of a militaristic regime that was frustrated in the field / widely inept military that didn't start massacring civillians.
mircea_popescu: it's like the loser husband with a smal penis - always beats the wife.
mircea_popescu: but somehow the us propaganda machine seems to have never heard of this.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, i seem to have missed the 500 headlines a day about how kiev is atrocious.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because of all the derpage about "women slave markets in the middle east"
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's going send me a coupla cherchez chicks too)
PeterL: I have a friend from Crimea, he still has family there, says they are all grateful to Putin for saving them from the fate of the rest of Ukraine
PeterL: mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ?
mircea_popescu: the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets
mircea_popescu: you know they want it. you know they could actually get it.
decimation: there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars
PeterL: decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east?
decimation: well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it
assbot: DP Vintage Posters - Free Leonard Peltier Original USSR Soviet Union anti-American Protest Poster ... (
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mircea_popescu: decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough.
decimation: hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income
mircea_popescu: decimation problem is chinese military has way more money.
decimation: if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch
mircea_popescu: ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing"
mircea_popescu: decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock.
decimation: I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war
decimation: of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone...
PeterL: it is a strategic navy port
mircea_popescu: if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan.
decimation: nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy
mircea_popescu: decimation it has missiles capable of bridging to hawaii just fine.
decimation: I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg
mircea_popescu: but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg.
decimation: now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers
mircea_popescu: decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with.
mircea_popescu: the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less.
decimation: well, china is actually a fairly small owner of usg debt
mircea_popescu: if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets.
decimation: liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem'
mircea_popescu: sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either.
decimation: the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing
PeterL: at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt
decimation: asciilifeform: what does usg have to compel a trade?
mircea_popescu: the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat.
decimation: not to mention keeping old people & minorities in free living
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your model implies i am going to be able to buy off us destroyers.
PeterL: what would you do with a destroyer?
decimation: actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending
mircea_popescu: decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see.
mircea_popescu: the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22"
decimation: well, most of that is simply stripping people with money and giving it to 'deserving groups'
decimation: of that 17%, probably only about 10-20% of that is actually 'keeping boat afloat'
decimation: asciilifeform: you mean potomac, maryland?
mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc.
decimation: as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers
assbot: Mike Tyson Potomac Home | Family of boxer Tyson unhurt after fire at Potomac home - Baltimore Sun ... (
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decimation: asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll
decimation: lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services
decimation: someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with
decimation: yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg
decimation: everyone else in wash dc is just the help
mircea_popescu: cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy.
mircea_popescu: it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway.
mircea_popescu: would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ?
decimation: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!"
mircea_popescu: decimation clearly if more money were spent on healthcare everything'd be better.
mircea_popescu: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant.
mircea_popescu: because crediblity in the state media is desirable now.
decimation: worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac
mircea_popescu: "Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed."
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that. the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ?
mircea_popescu: i would accept fealty from a us puppet president, sure.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ? << Likely, but possible drama independently agitated
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << o.O careful with that, sht hurts.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby.
mircea_popescu: do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is.
mircea_popescu: how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say.
assbot: USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... (
http://bit.ly/1EcCXnP )
mircea_popescu: for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done. < +1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE
decimation: moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing
mircea_popescu: necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits!
mircea_popescu: it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student.
decimation: eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz? << i occasionally do it, but meh.
mircea_popescu: decimation nobody was actually starving in russia in 1988
mircea_popescu: i mean that literally. nobody. more people were starving in new york than in russia.
mircea_popescu: this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared.
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mircea_popescu: also, it was plainly apparent to everyone in 88 that yes, 93 will be starving
mircea_popescu: even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care.
mircea_popescu: the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore.
mircea_popescu: ;;google da-ma mama dupa gyury ca ma tine-n virfu pulii
decimation: and in his adult years, secretly reading foreign journals in his sharishka
decimation: lol I didn't know that korolev was a zek
mircea_popescu: incredibly, iirc this is actually mentioned in teh logs.
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decimation: ah yes, indeed. it is good to read old logs again
mircea_popescu: for the record it's /mode #bitcoin-assets -b *!*zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9279 @ 0.00042701 = 3.9622 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants’ classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs coul
mircea_popescu: the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court"
mircea_popescu: "i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings"
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
decimation: mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot
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mircea_popescu: no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even us per se, it was more west germany than us.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> to get a 45% result you need to include the phrase "not that there's anything wrong with that" / ftfy
decimation: asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:09:50; asciilifeform: ^ it synced.
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decimation: asciilifeform: how did you tame layers of c++/boost mempool crud?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00041541 = 4.5695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00041541 = 4.1333 BTC [+]
whaack: i tried to authenticate through nickserv and says i'm not registered
whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to
whaack: i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them
BingoBoingo: <whaack> i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them << Sounds like the answer for the time being
whaack: BingoBoingo: word but I know my business is the result of cheap credit so it hurts a little inside lol
whaack: BingoBoingo: Do you have any idea why I wouldn't be able to identify myself through Nickserv?
BingoBoingo: Are you not registered and/or has it been more than a few weeks since you last identified with nickserv?
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whaack: BingoBoingo: Another question - are there any SF bitcoin startups that you beileve are useful? Like do you believe CB is useful?
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whaack: What version of BTC does everyone here use?
whaack: I heard people talking about like v .5
whaack: FI don't get the hate on multisgi
BingoBoingo: The assumptions that lead people towards it are problematic
BingoBoingo: If you don't trust someone enough to send to them, why are you letting them collaboarate with their buddy? is the simple off target explanation
BingoBoingo: I'm deep in the vodka tonight. You may need a better explainador
whaack: I'm deep into my weed it's alright
whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up
BingoBoingo: Nah dawg. It's to get other motherfucker's claws into your wallet
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whaack: Is everyone in this channel dumping their coins on Gavin's big blockchain?
whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins
BingoBoingo: whaack: hard to say if so and on what timeline.
BingoBoingo: I mean the money shot's spent at the end of the porno flick, but this is live cams. Can't tip when the action ends
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc. << Mostly they sit in Norfolk
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer. << Twas Tyson, USG bankruptcy laws... pretty hard not to use them. It is what got Trump rich
joecool: thanks, you know i can do that myself too right?
BingoBoingo: Well, been a while since you did and saw you got into a ratings war earlier
joecool: ah that was just messing with glooboy
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00041401 = 4.2643 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. << it's a problem now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00041401 = 2.2357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041401 = 2.7739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00041363 = 8.1071 BTC [-] {2}
skinnkavaj: Anyone know if kakobrekla's trading site offers trading with oil?
skinnkavaj: and what was your question ben_vulpes :)
Vexual: If it doesn't it should
Vexual: Hey bro. How hangs em?
Vexual: What is this fuxking night shift?
Vexual: What happens when Belgium drop s Greece and I can't rate punk
Vexual: I suppose that the beer gets better generally. And that's about the sum yeah??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6389 @ 0.00041858 = 2.6743 BTC [+]
Vexual: Greek beer is fucking excellent.
Vexual: Twist of orange? Ya couldn't do that anywhere else on earth
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00043454 = 5.0624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00042858 = 3.1501 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00043115 = 3.3845 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00043454 = 20.771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00042615 = 1.2998 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up << why do you think your personal measures against fucking something up should be world-readable ?
mircea_popescu: if i keep a spare pair of panties in my briefcase in case i shit myself, i do not send a record of their purchase to the new york times, for publication in their news section, nor do i send the unfortunate reports of the occurence for the obit section.
mircea_popescu: wtf ban evasion is this, can be arsed to avoid a ban, can't be arsed to fix bouncer.
mircea_popescu: whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins << what exact bravery does it take ? you get dollars for it.
mircea_popescu: whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to << jobs pop up occasionally. you have to read the log to have a chance at them. this is intentional.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00042617 = 4.7731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3183 @ 0.00042615 = 1.3564 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: for the record, i've made a complete backup of tlp's site. 702 articles it has.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6781 @ 0.00042649 = 2.892 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Except the argument isn't grounded in reality. Saying something vague like "people need these drugs," misses the immediate point: which drugs? On what grounds is it even possible to say that people "need something" that didn't exist until a company created it?"
mircea_popescu: "The problem, in part, in this debate arises from scientists confusing discovery or research with invention. Looked at in terms of the production of novel material, certain distinctions can be made. Discovery and research are not creative acts. While they require creative thinking, they do not add anything materially new to the world. Alternatively, invention is the act of creating something that did not exist. There w
mircea_popescu: but... if it didn't exist... then how was it that "the company" made it ?!
mircea_popescu: was there no gold before mendeleev ? or what, did he invent "eka-aluminium" ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00042915 = 8.3191 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00043454 = 9.6902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043556 = 2.6134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0004358 = 2.4187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00043595 = 6.779 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: “adopting a solution that won’t work to a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority we don’t have,”
mircea_popescu: “nowhere does the agency identify any kind of systemic harm in the Internet economy, but nonetheless it invents one in order to regulate it, and so it’s this classic situation where we’re adopting a solution that won’t work to a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority we don’t have.”
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gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0004366 = 7.4004 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mthreat> <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
danielpbarron: very strange; i can ping it from my irc machine, and not from my laptop
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mike_c: hello! have you seen the recent revival of the stemming argument.
mike_c: the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier
mthreat: ok. i can turn it off easily, (and back on later if we want).
mike_c: i think no-stemming, but having prefix-wildcards should satisfy everyone
mthreat: ok, will be ready in a few minutes with stemming off. prefix wildcards are always on.
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gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.15, Best ask: 222.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 222.15, 24 hour volume: 6238.07681239, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 222.99, 24 hour vwap: 220.711036885
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thestringpuller_: no other explanation for internet go down, and it's more than circumstantial that internet went down shortly after cloak went down
mike_c: asciilifeform: stemming is off search.b-a. give it a whirl sometime.
mike_c: maybe the regex isn't too good
jurov: ^ why i never relied on cloak
jurov: micro vps behind aws firewall
thestringpuller_: I'll give that a shot when Amazon approves my fucking Amazon payments account.
jurov: AWS is different entity from amazon warehouse
jurov: use normal debit card
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jurov: ah so. also, unlike amazon store aws needs your dox.
jurov: i have no problems spinning off instances for wot members, can do it for you
jurov: they have pretty comprehensive access rights system to safely allow it
thestringpuller_: won't they fine you for giving resources to someone who is not "in the system" lol
thestringpuller_: aka "You can't buy bitcoins with cash because children and stuffs"
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jurov: how will they know? many shartups resell aws right and left, too
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pete_dushenski: so apparently paris is going right off the deep end with its "anti-pollution" nonsense
pete_dushenski: as of july 2015, no cars built before 1997 will be permitted in the city centre
pete_dushenski: all this to try to "stimulate" the economy and "encourage" people to take transit
pete_dushenski: i'm all for walkable cities, but taking some and not all cars off the road strikes of lunacy
pete_dushenski: peugeot, citroen, renault probably think this'll help them
pete_dushenski: like some sekrit bailout that no one has to know about
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pete_dushenski: though this rule is only in effect from 8am to 8pm daily
pete_dushenski: do we have anyone other than davout from france here ?
mike_c: he left cuz we're a cult.
jurov: ;;sell 1 "AWS VPS servers" at 1 BTC "Prepaid for at least one month. AWS price * 1.25 / BitstampUSD. Any other related expenses (like bandwidth) charged extra at same rate. Must abide AWS ToS and react properly to any abuse notices."
jurov: ha. hustle must go on.
pete_dushenski: "France’s Total plans to cut 2,000 jobs, sell assets after big loss in oil markets"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski basically what i see is a cargo cult generation. if you've ever seen monty python's twit of the year sketch that's basiclaly the idea.
mircea_popescu: their grandparents were pretty cool. their parents rather mediocre. now they're fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: they kinda get a very superficial formal thing about granpa, but otherwise the head dun work.
mircea_popescu: argentina is set for a much more major collapse than anyone seems to realise.
pete_dushenski: hm. not sure that anyone is giving the 'tines much in the way of odds these days
pete_dushenski: other than thumbing their nose at teh american judges, they don't seem to be thriving
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a great place, but the people are inept to a degree that can not even be put into words. doesn't even look like a year's famine would be enough, more biblical measures required, 30 years in the desert, stuff like that.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm all for banning cars.
ben_vulpes: especially in the mass production everyone having one.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: that's like saying "the car is a horrid invention because i don't like windoze"
ben_vulpes: roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. those twits ? their dad was nobody, some anon derp with, as orwell put it, "Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go.
ben_vulpes: and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap.
ben_vulpes: see previous thread about "wake me when compute costs 1btc/hr".
pete_dushenski: well i'm hardly going to disagree that everyone getting something "just as good" makes the whole lot of us worse off
pete_dushenski: no cars in town is a perfectly sensible idea in most parts of the world
pete_dushenski: lol well the thing drinks like 30L/100km so that's a lot of (indirect) slave labour from the oil sands up north
ben_vulpes: for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side.
ben_vulpes: east side being mostly residential, mostly small streets.
pete_dushenski: iirc there was a german city that was going to all-out ban cars in the city centre
pete_dushenski: as to whether this works in the populated arctic... i dunno
mircea_popescu: i don't need to be jostled just because sopme other fuckhead can't drive at his speed.
pete_dushenski: and it aims to be car-free in the city centre... by 2034
pete_dushenski: which is reasonable given that in 20 years the serene republic will own it as a summer resort ;)
mircea_popescu: except this is a naked problem of power. i would be ok with a "no cars" town in which i personally can drive if i feel like.
mircea_popescu: i will not be ok with a "no cars" town in which the fucking mayor/police/you get to drive if you feel like
mircea_popescu: and by "not ok" i mean i will fucking shoot you over it.
pete_dushenski: well imagine that there will be "no car" rules in most major cities in 20 years
pete_dushenski: and that #b-a badges and #b-a plates will roam the streets freely
mircea_popescu: which yes, it has to happen, because most "major cities" are inhabited by... twits.
pete_dushenski: because no city mayor/police/etc can very well stand in the way of the leaders of the free world
mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
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mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> o hey, how's the south pole ? << well technically we only got to just past 60 degrees south latitude, but it was cool. Lots of penguins, whales, killer whales, seals, ice, and mountains. And retirees, on the boat.
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ben_vulpes: but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat?
mthreat: lowest temp was about -1 C. It's summer in antarctica.
mthreat: wind is a factor sometimes. highest wind we saw was 60 mph
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assbot: Culture or cult? by /davegray Cc /goonth /petervan /jhagel /TomLaForge /umairh /shelleykuipers /katrynadow /gringreen
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assbot: **Putin arrives at airport, gets in line at customs**Customs officer: "Occupation?"Putin: "No, just visiting!"
http://t.co/KRn6iYRkkm cazalla: you guys and your city living
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thestringpuller: i got ddosed I think. AT&T claimed it was a power surge on their DNS server rack but that didn't make sense
thestringpuller: i hit a netsplit and the second my ip was showing the router started showing a lot of traffic
PeterL: why does freenode show ip addresses anyway?
fluffypony: why do any IRC servers show IP addresses
PeterL: seems hard to believe this is the first time somebody used irc ip addresses to target attacks?
mircea_popescu: PeterL because the last tiem anyone thought about this it was 1996, and the next time anyone wil lthink about this it will be to systemdize it
mircea_popescu: this is the first time powerful people were involved in irc, since also 1996.
BingoBoingo: Tried building some stock versions of bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD last night. Here's the tail end of the compiler output where the errors spring forth from:
http://dpaste.com/2RDXRT1 BingoBoingo: Build fine for a while, hit's a brick wall on protocol.cpp
BingoBoingo: ^ Particular instance there was stock 0.5.3
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if you want to build on bsd, set the ifdefs as if for mac
BingoBoingo: Digging through old porting efforts I get the feeling some linux settings use linux only functions in a pulse audio manner
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mod6: BingoBoingo: you trying to v0.5.3 on BSD?
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mod6: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: mod6: I'm trying to Bitcoin-qt on BSD. Waiting until night when it's colder so I can compile in the garage so I have more thermal headroom. Unlike the linux I'd been using OpenBSD respects this machine's temperature sensors.
mod6: ah, well anyway, i'm pretty close to having v0.5.3.1 building on freebsd
BingoBoingo: I'm at the firing in anger stage of quitting linux, so moving the tools I use to OpenBSD.
mod6: but im using boost 1.55, and i think i need to be using 1.42 which is horribru to get working so far.
mod6: anyway, with protocol.cpp:
mod6: #include <netinet/in.h>
mod6: #include <sys/socket.h>
mod6: at least, that's what I had do to do.
danielpbarron: haha BingoBoingo i have a fan that i clip under my laptop to cool during compiles
thestringpuller: ugh boost is annoying to get working if you don't have the exact version
BingoBoingo: It exists because the CPP standard library sucks
thestringpuller: It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely
PeterL: those are not available in c++?
thestringpuller: and as BingoBoingo just said, CPP standard lib is terrible
PeterL: then why do so many people use it?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Because it is what they get paid to use
thestringpuller: don't think satoshi had a sense of smell for code or would have known he was building bricks from excrement
PeterL: what would you want to build in if you had a choice?
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