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cazalla: BingoBoingo, i think it's ok for the time being tbh
BingoBoingo: Fair
justusranvier: https://twitter.com/TxbtcFrontier/status/518915067757469697
assbot: Starting now: https://t.co/V2sF34oeNG
cazalla: cool, wat ching
Duffer_: who's the guy talking atm?
cazalla: not sure but he calls mircea_popescu mursaya
Duffer_: yea hehe
cazalla: lol doge licking its balls on camera
dignork: it's bitstein i'd guess
TheNewDeal: justusranvier who is this
justusranvier: The last one was bitstien
justusranvier: Now we have yamamushi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cqukfsatq308s00qdhggkp6oegg
TheNewDeal: why isn't this just one stream?
bitstein: TIL how to actually pronounce Mircea.
TheNewDeal: yamamaushi found Satoshi!?!?
dignork: TheNewDeal: no, other dude who invented bitcoin before him
TheNewDeal: is that a joke?
dignork: no, pretty vanilla, Satoshi refered to previous works, hashcash for example, might call it real bitcoin inventor for example :)
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kATayK5N--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/rwi4zk7yyxgya1jpgx4v.jpg
cazalla: !up pyre
cazalla: !up pyre
TheNewDeal: you're right, hashcash was obviously bitcoin
cazalla: pyre, here ya go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets do it already
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
danielpbarron: ;;later tell bitstein you demonstrated gpg on an online machine at a meetup?? with your actual key???
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Sad say http://bigstory.ap.org/article/22931ec39fd04b768dbfcc5aab24413b/ousted-haitian-dictator-jean-claude-duvalier-dies
assbot: Ousted Haitian dictator, Jean-Claude Duvalier dies
dignork: danielpbarron: well, it was really low-res, and only a pub-key
justusranvier: The two streams because it means the videos are automagically seperate
danielpbarron: dignork, so?
justusranvier: TheNewDeal: ^
TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet?
dignork: ;;gpg info bitstein
gribble: User 'bitstein', with keyid 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat May 24 16:06:12 2014, last authed on Sun Oct 5 20:42:25 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitstein . Currently not authenticated.
dignork: danielpbarron: if this is his key, it's public anyway ^
danielpbarron: the fact that he'd decrypt a message with his key on an online, os x, machine is already bad -- then he goes on to show others this insecure method to initiates
danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: MSG Shakers at Restaurant tables, 'Murica https://twitter.com/Missionstfood/status/518132336181780480/photo/1
assbot: Authenticity option now available at MCF SF. /davidchang /hashtag/hospitality?src=hash http://t.co/JbYrdnf8x2
danielpbarron: it shouldn't be that difficult to demonstrate an offline setup, which is the experience new users should become accustomed with -- especially the kind of people who already think they are hip to crypto
danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
TheNewDeal: that was quite hilarious
dignork: well, you need two computers for that, or hardware crypto gadget (cardano is not there yet)
jborkl: Rough weekend for the price
danielpbarron: so? is it not possible to do without cardano?
dignork: possible ofcourse, two machines, cumbersome presentation
danielpbarron: well, the presentation is incomplete without such a demonstration
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well, for someone the next few years are going to be rougher than the price as of late
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.98, Best ask: 299.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 66795.52283458, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 306.021103061
danielpbarron: lest the noobs in the audience go home and actually use their key in such an insecure manner
dignork: danielpbarron: well, most crypto-related presentation i've seen did not include faraday cage, while some would say it was a flaw, I'm just assuming "omitted for clarity"
danielpbarron: for the sake of argument that it is too cumbersome, he stilled used his real key
xanthyos: dude $305
jborkl: Bingoboingo, you think the price will continue sliding? Or nfi
xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well at some point it will stop sliding
xanthyos is always left holding the bag
TheNewDeal: I know dimsler won't like this, but the wall has returned
jborkl: Heh true..
TheNewDeal: #wallwatch
thickasthieves: hehe, people are eating the wall
TheNewDeal: love it
TheNewDeal: might have to take a bite
thickasthieves: such angel whale
dub: touch the furry wall
thickasthieves: $300 coins for all!
TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment"
dub: but he's been into bitcoin since 2000
mod6: heheh
thickasthieves: btce is above stamp now
thickasthieves: dem pesky 5%s
TheNewDeal: yes I'm curious why the whale is on stamp exclusively
thickasthieves: to be fair there are big wallers everywhere
thickasthieves: stamp might be chosen because no margin
TheNewDeal: no margin ?
dub: stamp is the new gox
dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking
thickasthieves: well on bitfinex you can buy 3.3:1
TheNewDeal: oh I gotcha
thickasthieves: and there are like 10k or so btc shorted that need to be covered there
xanthyos: stroke the furry walls
TheNewDeal: suprised that they didn't just bump it up like 1$ after 5k buys or whatever
thickasthieves: 12,000+ shorts actually
thickasthieves: well the guy has been selling for days
xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin
thickasthieves: maybe months
thickasthieves: really all this funkiness started just before the SR auction
thickasthieves: we bubbled in May
dub: I dont think wallguy is a seller
thickasthieves: went flat
thickasthieves: then down down down for mos
thickasthieves: ok ok we sound like reddites now
thickasthieves: fun times tho
TheNewDeal: please do explain dub
TheNewDeal: they're just in the process of eating up coins?
dub: ask reddit
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> well, that guy from ccn responded << which ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, Kyle Torpey, the one that went on keiser spruiking auroracoin, ethereum etc
mircea_popescu: oh lol
mircea_popescu: how is he "from cnn" again ? i forget.
mircea_popescu: oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ <<< angry owlchick is pretty hawt
assbot: Chauncey, Earl of Gloom
cazalla: ccn as in cryptocoinsnews
dub: you have your irrelevant news outlets transposed
cazalla: ^^
mircea_popescu: wait, wut?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet? << no but if the darpa derps were satoshi-minded they'd probably have referenced some pacific islanders as their inspiration just ot mess with people.
TheNewDeal: :D
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin << i doubt the airgapped bitcoin machine is all that common.
dub: could be why they got the coolest 2ld (co.ck)
mircea_popescu: cu.nt is cooler than di.ck
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions << you purist you.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" << i wouldn't be worried about that, he's served the golden toilet empire, he's coming back.
mircea_popescu: shit, romney is still around. why'd draper go away.
mircea_popescu: dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking << this, pretty much.
dub: dat nick
TheNewDeal: ;;ident nezzario
gribble: Nick 'nezzario', with hostmask 'nezZario!~nez@unaffiliated/nezzario', is not identified.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/american-green-to-continue-bitcoin-vending-machine-rollout/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 165 @ 0.01025554 = 1.6922 BTC [-] {3}
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 280343971.467
mircea_popescu: !up parfait
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 69682.98346975, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 305.387793681
ben_vulpes: was that 30k ask real life?
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: our good friends the suckers of america running out.
mircea_popescu: hm maybe i misspelled "the people"
Dimsler: the ask was/is fake
Dimsler: it stopped the sell off
Dimsler: trading penny stock basics
Dimsler: he set the market and waited for a challenger
mircea_popescu: Dimsler the wall was on the sell side.
Dimsler: correct
Dimsler: but its premise could be to market make
Dimsler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker
assbot: Market maker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dimsler: i used to do this on cavritex
mats_cd03: lol
Dimsler: lol
mats_cd03: a wiki article
ben_vulpes: i...
Dimsler: right, what else did you want?
Apocalyptic: Dimsler, you're aware that here wikipedia is not particularly regarded as a worthy source of information ?
Dimsler: look
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-september-2014-statement/
Dimsler: i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them
ben_vulpes rotates head 180deg
mircea_popescu: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3 << not a bad read, this.
assbot: Three Years on Rikers Without Trial
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russians and how many chinese citizens are in prison for 3 years without a trial.
Dimsler: is this the black kid that they forgot about?
Dimsler: yeah i know
mircea_popescu: but something tells me that per capita, the us is like the worst human rights offender in africa
mircea_popescu: certainly not part of the first world.
Dimsler: the majority of the five eyes are human rights tramplers
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler> i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them << well the notion that market makers are a topic on which wikipedia has something to impart here.... okay :)
Dimsler: its ingrained in the anglo saxon mentality to trample rights
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i was meerly posting as interest to novice inquirers on market makers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i think i'm the guilty party. starting to get on yer nerves ?
Dimsler: not sure what the constant obession
Dimsler: with my wot is
ben_vulpes: it's a constant obsession with everyone's wot, Dimsler.
ben_vulpes: just curious.
ben_vulpes: sides, what do i know, i'm just the court jester
ben_vulpes: all of these social sites - engagement is via the "submit" button.
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit im changing it.
ben_vulpes: i think it's nicely apropos.
ben_vulpes: also deviantart apparently lost their "prev" and "next" buttons.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now trilema says send. pls to check it still worx.
Dimsler: can you change submit to capitulate
Dimsler: thats what most social media should have
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: looks good
ben_vulpes: oh no way
ben_vulpes: there's some retarded state management
ben_vulpes: navigate to galleries, get to a thing
ben_vulpes: *now* prev/next appears
ben_vulpes: this is an abuse of sessions, i tell you
Dimsler: buttons are archaic
Dimsler: its all about the swype
Dimsler: must swype
HeySteve: hey Dimseler, how do you know it's fake volume?
ben_vulpes: evening, Vexual
Dimsler: well it may very well not be fake volume
ben_vulpes: quit waffling Dimsler
Dimsler: shutup ben_vulpes
Vexual: good evening
Dimsler: theres only one thing guaranteed in life
Dimsler: everything else is speculation
HeySteve: sure. some guy wants out his position, he is saying "this is how much more I have to unload, the pain will continue until it's sold."
ben_vulpes: penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume
dub: thats pretty unlikely
HeySteve: now a larger whale is challenged to buy him out to protect his holdings
ben_vulpes: someone's a market maker, here have a wp link
Dimsler: he basically set the market at 300
Vexual: this is sparta!
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume << just about.
Dimsler: plenty nefarious reasons to hang a large order out
Dimsler: whether its to stop a sell of
HeySteve: right, but it's $9m, I heard mentioned? probably someone has more to lose than $9m. if btc hits single digits, so probably someone will buy that much
Dimsler: he may also have alot of money
Dimsler: on the exchange in fiat
HeySteve: of course, it could be a fake. but markets are an interesting game for this reason
Dimsler: and is buying people coins
Dimsler: that are wanting to sell below $300
Dimsler: at $295 lets say
dub: hey gais, theres a for this buttcointalk.org/adhd oslt
dub: a forum too
mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-pricetalk
Dimsler: get the fuck out here
Dimsler: what did you want to talk about?
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Dimsler
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Dimsler.
mircea_popescu: !down Dimsler
ben_vulpes: !down Dimsler
mircea_popescu: not doing your reading in a groupo is not an excuse for not having done your reading
mircea_popescu: it's an aggravating circumstance.
ben_vulpes: dunno
ben_vulpes: not penny stocks, Dimsler
ben_vulpes: not price manip
Dimsler: i missed the groupo link somehow
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and by we i mean you and also please
HeySteve: I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action?
HeySteve: (mentioned in btc circles, that is)
mircea_popescu: dude...
ben_vulpes: the price of bitcoin in whatever fiat whatever matters not one whit
mircea_popescu: this has got to be deliberate.
Dimsler: lol
TheNewDeal: !s heysteve
assbot: 1161 results for 'heysteve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve
ben_vulpes: no, the spamgun shartup recruiter is deliberate
ben_vulpes: this is just stochastic bouncing
mircea_popescu: i guess.
HeySteve: ok no pricetalk then
mircea_popescu: HeySteve it's the approach not the topic that grates.
Dimsler: no you're just being an asshole
mircea_popescu: that also, but unrelatedly.
ben_vulpes: yes it is, no it's not, up is down unless the whale is pink
ben_vulpes: walls to the left, but it's a sell day, peg the price, gag me with a fork
mircea_popescu: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305626.20 in 519 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.73
ben_vulpes: head and shoulders means a 260 bottom (i'll show you a bottom worth 260), sr, fucking vc's, tim draper
mircea_popescu: that shit sure feels like forever.
Apocalyptic: ^
Vexual: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45849): 0 hour(s), 13 minutes
ben_vulpes: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324053 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35104507259.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.27831
HeySteve: that's all very well, but bitbets are announced here. they seem like similar propositions, will price go up or down?
TheNewDeal: I usually find an animal, slice in two, read the entrails
TheNewDeal: give's a pretty good prediction
Dimsler: lol thats from south park
TheNewDeal: it's from history
TheNewDeal: they actually did it
HeySteve: the roman augurs and soothsayers, yeah
Dimsler: lol ok yes
TheNewDeal: has there been a SP that referenced bitcoin?
Dimsler: neg
HeySteve: flight of birds, guts of goats, sounds cleaner to specialise in bird flight if that's your thing
Dimsler: only simpsons
ben_vulpes: there are more things in heaven and earth Dimsler than are derped of in south park
dub: dude never read asterix comics?
mircea_popescu: i don't think they have that french pinko commie stuff in the us of a
Dimsler: the south park episodes premise was based on the fall of the roman empire
Dimsler: i am pointing out as modern satire
HeySteve: it's ironic when modern americans address the decline of rome
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://www.powells.com/s?kw=asterix&class= << au contraire
assbot: Search Results - Powell's Books
mircea_popescu: a nm
thickasthieves: <+HeySteve> I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? /// yep, pretty much everything is good for bitcoin
ben_vulpes: although i never bought 'em, i just took them to the cafe in powells and read them there
thickasthieves: reddit thinks this is a joke
thickasthieves: but its funny cuz its true
HeySteve: sure, the "this is actually good news" meme
thickasthieves: yep, it really is
thickasthieves: they think it's ironic cuz the news' relation to price
HeySteve: well the drop will clean out some of the silliest, so there's that
thickasthieves: what's good for bitcoin isnt always good for price
thickasthieves: i do think this is having a calibrating effect and the seller is doing a service to btc
TheNewDeal: nice little 1200 chunk outta that wall, for those interested of course (dimsler)
TheNewDeal: explain
thickasthieves: i meant it pretty broadly, lots of examples
Dimsler: lol
thickasthieves: the exchange price disceprencies are reset
Dimsler: ofcourse hes doing everyone a favour
thickasthieves: weak hands lost coins
thickasthieves: etc
thickasthieves: and the price will likely spike *after* he's done selling
thickasthieves: such saintliness
ben_vulpes: classic oscillator.
Dimsler: well he basically masks everyones weak hand
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/XJCZKt6.jpg
ben_vulpes: people model this shit with oscillators, right?
TheNewDeal: loving the bingoboingo art tonight
thickasthieves: lol bingo
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Found linked on reddit
BingoBoingo: Not my original work
The20YearIRCloud: heh
HeySteve: that's pretty good
Dimsler: lol reddit
Dimsler: collection of vile scum
Dimsler: http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042
assbot: Mastering Bitcoin: Unlocking Digital Crypto-Currencies: Andreas M. Antonopoulos: 9781449374044: Amazon.com: Books
Dimsler: oh look andreas has a book out now
ben_vulpes: you're late, Dimsler qntra already covered it
TheNewDeal: there was an article that touched on it earlier
TheNewDeal: dimsler https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
ben_vulpes: this whole doing your reading thing may be distasteful but it's not optional
Dimsler: oh for fuck sakes
ben_vulpes: it's pretty simple
ben_vulpes: !s antonopolous
assbot: 13 results for 'antonopolous' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=antonopolous
ben_vulpes: also search.bitcoin-assets.com
TheNewDeal: has he ever made an appearance in #ba?
Dimsler: no
The20YearIRCloud: we should have around a 17% dividend this cycle
Dimsler: hes afraid of mircea_popescu killing him
The20YearIRCloud: based on usd/btc prices
TheNewDeal: who is the "we" you're speaking of the20yearircloud ?
Vexual: rent
The20YearIRCloud: rentalstarter
The20YearIRCloud: on havelock
Vexual: annnualizzzzed?
The20YearIRCloud: yes
The20YearIRCloud: based on .005 share price
Vexual: whats that like half pc on the average?
ben_vulpes: <Dimsler> no << how would you know?
Dimsler: well fuck
Dimsler: i've been here since early 2013?
Dimsler: haven't heard anyone mention him ever since mircea_popescu twattered that he was going to kill him
ben_vulpes: > ever
ben_vulpes: > 2013
ben_vulpes: mhm
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud shouldn't it be based on 0.0075 ?
The20YearIRCloud: on 0075 its around 10%
ben_vulpes: haha
The20YearIRCloud: .005 was our original ipo price
ben_vulpes: yeah how do you calculate a price for RENT
ben_vulpes: it's market until you need more cash then you freeze it
ben_vulpes: "but our investors are cool with it broski!"
The20YearIRCloud: this last one was specifically requested by our largest investor so he could buy shares. I tried to do it outside of havelock but they wouldn't let me
BingoBoingo: Priorities >> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/05/2124205/linux-317-kernel-released-with-xbox-one-controller-support
assbot: Linux 3.17 Kernel Released With Xbox One Controller Support - Slashdot
Vexual: The20YearIRCloud: When do you expect to start servicing loans?
The20YearIRCloud: we aleady have one loan
The20YearIRCloud: unless youre talking npns
Vexual: are you using the money yet?
ben_vulpes: he couldn't buy shares at market?
The20YearIRCloud: yes\
The20YearIRCloud: no shares at market were going to the company
The20YearIRCloud: and his investment would have increased price to around .02
ben_vulpes: so you fucked everyone else.
ben_vulpes: well done.
dub: its called QE ben_vulpes
dub: it halps ok
The20YearIRCloud: Those wanting to sell below .0075 have been cleared already, and i've made it well known throuh investor communication that we had originally planned on selling more shares at the 2nd round IPO price at some time in the future
Vexual: is labour gonna get more expensive if you grow?
ben_vulpes: how is this any different from printing dollars?
ben_vulpes: or pesos?
dub: no different to mpif
The20YearIRCloud: Vexual: maybe
Dimsler: ben_vulpes, or they could just keep your bitcoins instead
Dimsler: with bots that manipulate the exchange
The20YearIRCloud: not a huge need for more IPOs, the reason for this last one was so the speicfic investor could fund a very specific property that had a good return
The20YearIRCloud: plenty of that already Dimsler
Dimsler: oh ofcourse there is
ben_vulpes: more ipos
Dimsler: lol
ben_vulpes: jesus shit
dub: Dimsler: there is such a thing as putting down the shovel
The20YearIRCloud: my hope was $100k cash + $100k LOC and then set aside the money 50/50 for flips & rental renovations so we'd always have money for a flip, which hasn't been the case since last July
ben_vulpes: i want a "feed me live baby rats" shirt
ben_vulpes: most recent oglaf has inspired peals (i tell you PEALS) of laughter around her
ben_vulpes: here*
ben_vulpes: anyways, night scammers
Vexual: with the latest offering, what btc price kills your growth?
The20YearIRCloud: Really has no effect, but the BTC yield will look crummy at $2500 or more per BTC
dub: ur killing my growth Vexual
Duffer1: btc skyrockets, us real estate corrects = /wrist?
Vexual: do you get paid in dollars The20YearIRCloud?
The20YearIRCloud: Yield will certanly go down, our equity position overall is pretty great when you factor our average BTC sell price. Big question is when does it correct, how far does the pricing drop? We're still about 20% lower than peaks
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah
Vexual: what did you sell the latest offering @?
Vexual: must have fucked your arerage
The20YearIRCloud: Haven't yet :( , HL has been slow on transfering BTC to us, so there's been some exposure to loss due to the massive decrease in BTC price
The20YearIRCloud: Our average overall will stand at something like $400/btc though, including the original 1,000 BTC we got on BF that was sold when BTC was around $80/btc
Vexual: havelock must be just about operating at a loss now
The20YearIRCloud: i knd of wonder
The20YearIRCloud: from my standpoint it doesnt matter, internally we are doing great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00074357 = 19.5559 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: when are you moving to the 70% wage?
The20YearIRCloud: don't know, talking to investors and there's a possibility i won't
The20YearIRCloud: right now i can go to 70% on mill & logan, but instead i've personally been taking around a 25%-30% wage and just putting the rest of it back into the company account
Vexual: 53 is fairly handsome
The20YearIRCloud: havent been taking irt
The20YearIRCloud: *it
Vexual: makes sense
The20YearIRCloud: ive been taking 750-1000/mo this year out of an allowed $1500-$3500
Vexual: i assume you're a shareholder tooo
The20YearIRCloud: yes
The20YearIRCloud: i've put almost all my btc/liquid buying stock back overlast week
Vexual: "putting it back into the company account" this means you gift it to the company?
Vexual: or can you take it back out again?
The20YearIRCloud: i'm tallying the difference, figure some day when company is flush with cash i'll cash out
The20YearIRCloud: but i dont plan on really taking anything out, too much incentive for me to do that
Vexual: i could hear your calculator from here
The20YearIRCloud: its on the spreadsheet
thickasthieves: for a while the coinbase price was same as bitstamp, 300
thickasthieves: now it's 1% higher
thickasthieves: even though bitstamp wall is still there
thickasthieves: lil skimmers
thickasthieves: its all good though, now they wont get 1% from me
thickasthieves: (was gonna arb)
TheNewDeal: on shitstamp, if someone has 15000 coins at 300, and then I place 1 coin @ 300, how do they choose which coin is purchased? First come first serve?
thickasthieves: yes
thickasthieves: have to wait in line
thickasthieves: so sell for 299.99
asciilifeform: re: DARPA obfuscator grants << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481151 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
asciilifeform: and, in general:
asciilifeform: !s homomorphic
assbot: 23 results for 'homomorphic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=homomorphic
mircea_popescu: wtf vexual is now like doing financial auditing
mircea_popescu: how long have i been away!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: An eternity in cointime
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.41, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 299.42, 24 hour volume: 72840.32833589, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 304.241790685
mircea_popescu: 73k eh.
TheNewDeal: really now
asciilifeform: there's a reason no one but usg funds the 'homomorphic' work. it is - their wet dream.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00074236 = 7.8126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074236 = 9.5764 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: http://blog.okcoin.com/2014/10/06/who-is-leading-the-bitcoin-price-change/
assbot: Who is Leading the Bitcoin Price Change – OKCoin Blog
thickasthieves: "As I am writing this, BitStamp & BTC-e prices (300) are 3% lower than OKCoin (311) and other Chinese exchanges, indicating users outside of China are driving down the prices, and China is following the price drop. Simple as that!"
thickasthieves: so i guess its okcoin's stamp wall
Vexual: i still say its sparta
thickasthieves: this is
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.0, vol: 74725.66270778 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 303.33, vol: 24330.77289 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 309.76, vol: 91335.63288959 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.99, vol: 109.04095822 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 309.718512, vol: 76657.88270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 304.9, vol: 53.23614283 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 327.997737405, vol: 150.19677005 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
xanthyos: BingoBoingo: why is thedrinkingrecord down?
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Hosting company messing with servers
xanthyos: wow
thickasthieves: coinbase price 312 now
thickasthieves: fukn asshats
thickasthieves: lol that Circle test i wanted to do a few days ago, they said my purchase "failed"
thickasthieves: Status: Canceled
thickasthieves: thats all the info
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/2-bitcoin-users-who-decided-to-break-bad/
thickasthieves: Circle price is 304 +8.82 in fees fwiw...
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: You know unlike silver this seems the perfect way to break JP Morgan. Buy BTC with credit cards, send to external address default on the card.
thickasthieves: yeah pretty good leak
thickasthieves: bitcoin is proof that black holes exist
thickasthieves: :)
Vexual: spend the next 8 years chillin with ross
Vexual likes qntra.net : telling me shit i din't know
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20223.0
assbot: Stockgeneration.com The Forgotten Lessons We Learned & Mt Gox.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 75859.24168345, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.733033662
Duffer1: lower than btce i
Duffer1: i don' think i've ever seen that before
cazalla: happened a few times this year
RagnarDanneskjol: !s tea leaves
assbot: 12 results for 'tea leaves' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tea+leaves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35156 @ 0.0007423 = 26.0963 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: im with tat, i think this 300 wall is designed to have some kind of glvanizing effect
Vexual: not like the galvanic scale, but, like, you know
RagnarDanneskjol: designed by whom
Vexual: like the chemical boothers song
Vexual: i really have no idea
RagnarDanneskjol: https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-revenue
assbot: Bitcoin Miners Revenue
Vexual: when exactly did they change the algo from gpu to asic?
dub: wat
RagnarDanneskjol: yea wat
Vexual: wait, how does that chart work?
RagnarDanneskjol: its just an estimate of total net revenue capture by miners i believe
Vexual: i might be thinking of the eclectricity one
RagnarDanneskjol: algo has always been the same
Vexual: so its a price chart?
RagnarDanneskjol: no, more like a profit chart
RagnarDanneskjol: this might be more relevant https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin
assbot: Bitcoin Mining Operating Margin
Vexual: -50k%sounds like gpu calcs to me
Vexual: but hey if the shit works, why change it right?
RagnarDanneskjol: mmm anyone mining with gpu at this point would be operating at massive loss, so doubt that contributes much to the miner stats
Vexual: yeah about -50000%
Vexual: those charts are borked
RagnarDanneskjol: probably
Vexual: actually, if you fix the second one, and compare it to the first one, you might get something interesting
Vexual: bigpicturemining would be the crew to talk to
Vexual: irk
Vexual: making a collection of every asic released, dates, cost, j/w hash/$ volume etc
Vexual: jouls per wot? 300 gone
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.05760644 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3742731 BTC. Current weight: 92,528.
Duffer1: hehe every last satoshi that guy had
Vexual: tell me about it
punkman: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/square-raises-150-million-at-a-6-billion-valuation/
Duffer1: "Square, a six-year-old start-up, spent much of its early years giving away free credit card readers to small and medium-sized businesses, asking for 2.75 percent of each transaction"
Vexual: fucking square wheel more like
Duffer1: well said
Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene
Vexual: ty
Vexual: so is carrying another dohickey to sell your wares at the local market
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0007424 = 12.361 BTC [+]
Vexual: 150m, why?
Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card
Duffer1: here, please commit every fraud you can think of
Vexual: with a skimmer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0007424 = 3.3779 BTC [+]
punkman: http://localregister.amazon.com/
assbot: Amazon Local Register - Accept credit and debit cards on your Fire, iPhone, iPad, or Android device.
Vexual: theres a scoop cazalla, the 150m card skimmer
Vexual: doesnt even fucking blootuth
Vexual: perhaps something got left out of the story, but prolly not
Duffer1: shartup
Vexual: ooh
Vexual: cmon that must be wrong, like the minercost chart on blackchain.info, just because its the ny times doesnt mean they haven't left out some vital component of the truth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 125 @ 0.00984244 = 1.2303 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i see yo uagree duffer, i just like to channel bb sometimes
Duffer1: hehe
Vexual: asciilifeform: do you know anything about spiNNaker?
Vexual: perhaps something like this will be brave enough to invent perpect homomorphic encryption
Vexual: u rhink i may have confused dp with pb
Vexual: *i think
Vexual: so its danielpbarron and pete_dushenski
Vexual: and julia t isn't the same that wore the "my 6990 makes it rain" t
Vexual: and namworld and naphex are entirely different entities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00074431 = 21.1384 BTC [+]
Naphex: hi o/
Vexual: the more boss twin
Vexual: excuse the fact i summoned you, i was working trhu some dixleksia
Vexual: whats new
Vexual: its like the intro to windowlicker
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 322.61, Best ask: 326.49, Bid-ask spread: 3.88000, Last trade: 322.58, 24 hour volume: 94647.98592502, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.726283925
BingoBoingo: Ask wall consumed.
BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/g9nnuSi
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Vexual: prolly loaded
Vexual: on his way to macau
Vexual: how many dollars was it?
Vexual: 6 milly?
Vexual: guy like that could stay for years before he ends up in the opium dens
BingoBoingo: Maybe up to 9 million. $3 million came to kill it in a minute. http://instagram.com/p/tzgottjwBZ/
assbot: Instagram
Vexual: foods better up on the hill
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-prices-dip-under-300-rebound/
Vexual: fuck you guys really are reworking coindesk
Vexual: just with fresher shit, pwnd
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I'm still working into a rhythm, but that's the aim.
Vexual: instagram is all java nd shit
Vexual: migth wanna stel the vid and host it
BingoBoingo: Well that dude made the authoritative video record. Maybe someone invites him here and in the future he considers saner hosting for his works.
Vexual: steal and link
Vexual: mp4 dl with a screenshot, voila youtube
Vexual: wehn you're getting 10k hits, get 10 in
Vexual: or not
Vexual: anoraks can go around on their own, it's prolly good business
Vexual: but if youre doing html 1.0, like you know
BingoBoingo: http://videos-g-14.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/10724316_347577092084614_254283947_n.mp4
Vexual: voila
Vexual: so anorack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31239 @ 0.00074247 = 23.194 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: now i can see i ton my nintendo ds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0007417 = 7.8249 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: if it works on opera...
Vexual: i dunno what, but any cat can see it
cazalla: BingoBoingo omfg "ask wall's life can to an end"
BingoBoingo: fixed
BingoBoingo: News shouldn't happen when I wake up for my midsleep snack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1006 @ 0.00074431 = 0.7488 BTC [+]
punkman: so I read a lot of electrum's code and now I'm sad
BingoBoingo: damn
Vexual: why sad?
punkman: I got it working at least, I think
punkman: oh wait there's a /tests/ dir, I missed that
punkman: wasn't there in 1.9.8
punkman: v2 will be better
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-schildbach-releases-4-0-version-of-bitcoin-wallet-for-android/
Vexual: that qntra sure is low on bullshit, it's all facts
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well the point for now is clean stuff. Turd Free.
Vexual: it's good
BingoBoingo: Or at least when a turd is newsworth the coverage is free of introducing fresh turds
Duffer1: i read the BRO article and was shocked
Duffer1: zero snark
Duffer1: the author must have an iron will
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: cazalla covered that.
Duffer1: it's good
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The fearless and serious Leader of qntra
Duffer1: so are you still doing your own blog or is it a merged effort?
Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls
Vexual: and hipsters
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I'm still doing my own blog where I still do editorial sort of commentary and stuff I find interesting
Vexual: or are newspapers for hipsters?
BingoBoingo: I though hipsters had tumblrs
Vexual: newspaper men get paid, eventually
Vexual: or was that the 60s?
Vexual: usually by some unexpected mechanism
Vexual: it goes by the name of success
Vexual: ive gone all noir
Vexual: she tells me it's on her tumbler, like she think i know what that is
Vexual: listen doll, i know a lot of things, but im hungry
Vexual: no, steak
Vexual: i rode in the front, i was done with talking and i was only picking up half the conversation, and in any case, i didnt know the driver, and I wanted to keep an ey eon him
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of this gritty noir Vexual is that I can't tell if your story is fiction
RagnarDanneskjol: doesnt matter
Vexual: apparentyl you're not supposed to smoke here, two whisky sours and a table at the back
Vexual: thats service
Vexual: they dont know me here, and neither does she
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074447 = 7.9658 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man6/bs.6
BingoBoingo: Time to go back to sleep
Vexual: phew i thought id have to come up with some dialogue
Vexual: id woken up late, the portugese was the first clue, but now i see a game of battleship in progress in the light at the front
Vexual: "brazil?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074383 = 7.4383 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: she wasn't talking abou ttumbler a all
Vexual: two more whisky sor, and something for the lady
Vexual: i pored a glass of riorja for myself as my steak smoked from the kitchen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47480 @ 0.00074459 = 35.3531 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: she spoke something about her father and the resurant before i hear the word that snapped me from my coma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10211 @ 0.00074483 = 7.6055 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: id decided it was a word
Vexual: but tonight i knew it was a name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.00960012 = 0.528 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: was the name Ava?
thickasthieves: Doris?
Vexual: okay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25007 @ 0.00074565 = 18.6465 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Fluffypony?
Vexual: you come in later
fluffypony: score!
thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/
assbot: Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes
Vexual: that reads like it'd trasnlate well into mandarin
thickasthieves: lol
Vexual: no joke
Vexual: possibly too well
Vexual: keyphrases stick out
Vexual: perhaps im just distrustful of forbes
mircea_popescu: ah brother, what a night.
Vexual: what happened?
mircea_popescu: i have that distinct feeling experienced by the commander of a relief unit upon taking over at 8am the utterly battered but holding units of the nightguard regiment, surrouinded by a pile of corpses as high as the battlements
mircea_popescu: fucking love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Vexual: sat agent orange right?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mats_cd03: not a lot of things translate well to mandarin
mircea_popescu: also sure.
Vexual: damn he got fucked good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074579 = 12.7903 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: you okay boss?
Vexual makes coffee
mircea_popescu: %d
mircea_popescu: o i see how it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074173 = 5.4146 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmb3XR5280
mircea_popescu: no, moarlike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KCnoOzrA1o
assbot: Pavarotti La Donna e Mobile Moscow 1964 - YouTube
Vexual: now theres a man that likes an aritchoke or two
Vexual: he look better without a beard
BingoBoingo: You know it's fitting that Oreilly's animal department sorts Andreas's work as the "Ant Book"
mircea_popescu: lol
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BingoBoingo: zQ/GrxSmbPcvN1l/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/mh+NOxq14SX80Pxq8Upmz3HOV/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/mh+NOxq14SX80Pxq8Upmz3HOV/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/m
BingoBoingo: What the fuck Amazon
mircea_popescu: o.O
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
Vexual: any more good voices mircea_popescu? im almost outta spanish wine
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: what part of it
Diablo-D3: like, you know what a data uri is right?
mircea_popescu: Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MrYuebMNmg
assbot: Maria Callas Opera Arias : La Traviata, Norma, Madama Butterfly, Lucia di Lammermoor & many others - YouTube
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: speaking of which
Diablo-D3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas
assbot: polyphonic overtone singing - Anna-Maria Hefele - YouTube
mircea_popescu: why do they do all this intro stuff.
mircea_popescu: first some random logos. then "hi im x and im going to do y"
mircea_popescu: but other than that she's ok.
Vexual: shit, coitus interuptus, but still
Vexual: she'd be good on the didgeridoo
Vexual: mot much magic in it tho
Vexual: maria callas id happily die to
BingoBoingo: Oh, Bloomberg explicitly does politics nao http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2014-10-05/can-america-root-for-a-town-that-cant-root-for-its-team
assbot: Can America Root for a Town That Can't Root for Its Team? - Bloomberg Politics
Diablo-D3: bloomberg is slowly becoming a real news outlet
Vexual: we had this converation
Diablo-D3: which Im honestly okay with
Diablo-D3: even if they just repeat the usual bullshit, we still need more of them
punkman: BingoBoingo: making website faster by embedding base64 encoded images in the HTML, just doesn't feel right
mircea_popescu: it's bad for caching at any rate.
mircea_popescu: if every time a browser asked for a trilema page it actually had to get all the images as base64 i'd have a major problem on my hands.
Diablo-D3: punkman: it depends entirely on what you're doing
Diablo-D3: like, you can shove that into css
Diablo-D3: and then cache the css
punkman: Diablo-D3: whether it feels right doesn't depend on anything
punkman: whether it works and how well, that's another matter
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 the problem isn't the serverside caching, but the client side caches.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm, why do you think I was talking about serverside caching?
mircea_popescu: virtually all browsers know enough to not redld a navigation pic, but virtually all will re-dld the base64 blob
Diablo-D3: its about cutting down on the cost of http connection cost
Diablo-D3: its easier to base64 stuff for small images than it is to make explicit requests for them
Vexual: this is why pankakkke left
mircea_popescu: but the browser will only request them once.
mircea_popescu: Vexual quite possible.
Diablo-D3: its also why building sprite layouts are so damned nice
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: the web is not an extension of cable tv.
Diablo-D3: Vexual: why, because this channel no longer serves its purpose? Ive been considering taking this off my autojoin
Vexual: no,
Vexual: o dunno
Vexual: i think he got shitty about some conversation or other
Vexual: hes prolly just got some shithot contracty eating up bullshittier bullhit and hell be back
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene << i thought paypal was doing like 3.5
Apocalyptic: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305828.28 in 507 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.72
Apocalyptic: still 500 blocks, damn
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card << definitely. i don't understand all the geriatric derps giving away their card in like restaurants and whatnot. it's patent insanity, like a third of restaurant workers are on drugs, it's the junkie central. more so than jail.
mircea_popescu: and then you're going to give them the most broken implementation of pgp and let them be provately for fifteen minutes ?
mircea_popescu: nuts.
Duffer1: iirc paypal and square have the same rates
Duffer1: = too much
mircea_popescu: maybe pp went down to match. or maybe i;m way behind the times.
mircea_popescu: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?311025-aware-paypal-users-request-for-more-than-3-5-up-to-6-!!-fee-for-paypal
mircea_popescu: maybe not.
mircea_popescu: 2.9% + 30c
mircea_popescu: hi Naphex
Duffer1: ah 3.5 for manual entry (no reader)
punkman: I think it goes to 4% or so when I send "friends and family"
mircea_popescu: going to the records of the past 6 hours... dude it's great being on the side of the invincible doom.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Fluffypony? << fluffypony!
Vexual: this is sparta!
fluffypony: AND MY AXE!
Vexual: your in son
BingoBoingo: Of course being the invicible doom is great. Have you seen the corpses the nightguard put up?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/ <<< no "krugman derps on his times blog, then mp pens a fuck you post and then all hell breaks lose" ? i'd have preferred that approach.
assbot: Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it's truer to history.
punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i9prw/desperate_how_long_to_hold_out_what_would_you_do/
assbot: Desperate: How long to hold out / What would you do in my situation : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ahhh, what reddit's for.
kakobrekla: >but I chose to make this account because my girlfriend is a redditor too and I don't want to get any backlash by posting this on my main account.
kakobrekla: lol
punkman: "I cannot understand why this is happening. I made some serious money several times but for the past 6 months or so I have taken huge losses."
mircea_popescu: universal advice for all redditard problems : 1. quit reddit never to return ; 2. quit your current bs "job/studies" and get a real job ; 3. quit your current bs" relationship", spend a year celibate then get a real relationship ; 4. stop saying high to your current "friends"
Vexual: do you forbes fluffypony? you're the funniest cunt on this hemisphere
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i wonder why this is happening.
fluffypony: Vexual: Forbes? like the magazine?
Vexual: no like trolling the bloggers
mircea_popescu: Vexual fluffypony is not the funniest cunt, kakobrekla is the funniest cunt.
punkman: different hemispheres
Vexual: is he southern hemisphere?
mircea_popescu: ow shit.
punkman: wait isn't Somalia in the south one
mircea_popescu: pwned by geometry in my own web of longitudes
mircea_popescu: ;;google is somalia even a real cuntry
gribble: Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia>; History of Somalia (1991–2006) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Somalia_(1991%E2%80%932006)>; Why is Somalia still even called a "country"? - Democratic Underground: (1 more message)
kakobrekla: lolk
punkman: guess it's right above the line
mircea_popescu: i got the answer to that, dear democratic underground. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS!
Vexual: kakobrekla IS FROM SOMALIA?
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: but somalia is from kakobrekla
Vexual: bitchin
mircea_popescu: we totally need someone from nigeria incidentally. anyone know a nigerian ?
BingoBoingo: Wait, I thought kakobrekla was the funniest cock, but sounds like tits...
mircea_popescu: preferably a banging euro chick, 1m80 with blue eyes
mircea_popescu: but i'd settle for less.
Vexual puts his hand up
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe throw it in the orderbook?
Vexual: i can get you 10money washin email sending nigerians here tommorrow
mats_cd03: kako is from slovakia
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 nuh-uh.
mircea_popescu: he's from slovenly
mats_cd03: huk
mircea_popescu: jurov is from slovakia
mats_cd03: o rite
mats_cd03: ;;ud huk
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Huk | Words related to Huk ... huk huk huk dood my ugly fat cuzzin isnt cummin ova tho otay? ... -fuk naw, thats skoo iz hella (huk), n i aint tryna get shot. by jr_inc.
mircea_popescu: (albeit the difference is nigg-legible)
Vexual: you're fuckin with my dislexia now
mircea_popescu: ;;seen JuliaTourianski
gribble: JuliaTourianski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <JuliaTourianski> that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell JuliaTourianski oi!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
RagnarDanneskjol: imma see her at the vegas thing later today
mircea_popescu: tell her to say hi
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll give her a big wet kiss for you
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 325.0, vol: 93573.34211630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 326.534, vol: 25927.10737 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 332.5, vol: 89113.6403918 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 325.26, vol: 121.4857689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 332.873904, vol: 79006.44170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 337.48812, vol: 64.31767626 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 326.248, vol: 165.84079253 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol> i'll give her a big wet kiss for you << mp suddenly caught a glimpse of his own old age ;/
mircea_popescu: i'll have all these numerous hotties i can no longer fuck, that other people will be sucking the life out of, "for me".
RagnarDanneskjol: ahaa
mircea_popescu: i guess it's better to end up as the deified avatar of human relations than any alternative fate.
RagnarDanneskjol: sure
mats_cd03: i'm about to cross the horizon
mats_cd03: of the ego black hole
Vexual: that wont translae into madarin well at all
mats_cd03: wish me luck
mircea_popescu: tho being an oversized scorpion dragonfly would be pretty cool too
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 where you goin; ?
kakobrekla: sounds like he'll be smoking DMT or some shit
mircea_popescu: if this guy kills himself and then there's no end of media wanting to know "what was he like"
Vexual: yah or 3 tabs of acid
mircea_popescu: i swear to god ima train a bot to say "he was a quiet guy, wenevercouldhaveimagined" etc
BingoBoingo: "I dunno seemed like he had some legitimate greviances they way he said it..."
mircea_popescu: "it was the government dude"
mircea_popescu: then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death"
Vexual: father of 24 and bitcoin advocate mats cd, aged whatever tranceded last night in whatevr county
mircea_popescu: you know that's not a bad honorific ? "bitcoin's advocate general", sort-of like a grand inquisitor
BingoBoingo: Illinois man literally disappears into thin air. IRC channel suspects lasers involved.
mircea_popescu: in your case BingoBoingo
mats_cd03: i was referring to the ego madness that is being in your periphery mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it would be thick air.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 oh!
mircea_popescu: you meant MY ego ?!?!?!11?!?
mats_cd03: indeed
mircea_popescu: unfathomable.
mats_cd03: although 3 tabs of acid sounds pleasant
mircea_popescu: make it two tabs and a supository.
Vexual: thats not wha i read on erowid
mircea_popescu: acid fingertrap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21841 @ 0.00074172 = 16.1999 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: yeah youll need your fingers for looking at and shit
mats_cd03: i once sobbed over the beauty of the universe while sitting on the shore of a lake watching a bird
Vexual: dub was asking after some viagra earlier
mats_cd03: its like... the cycle of life, man.
mats_cd03: 09:50:12 <+mircea_popescu> then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" >> wtf that is terrifying
mircea_popescu: yw.
Vexual: id be stapled to death
Vexual: no problem, id still be fresh for work the next day
Vexual: wait death?
lampelina: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-sell-wall-death-chomped/
assbot: Bitcoin Sell Wall of Death Being Chomped
kakobrekla: bottom gif is funny
Vexual: drop dead fred is on it?
Vexual: i got couldfared
mircea_popescu: hey lampelina what are you doing these days ?
lampelina: cooking
lampelina: and cleaning
kakobrekla: lel
lampelina: why, looking for a cook? :D
mircea_popescu: lampelina no, that i have, but how would you like trying to write an article for the qntra thing ?
lampelina: article about what
mircea_popescu: bitcoin news.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which
Vexual: qntra, thats it!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hanbot hey you have till friday to write an article and get cazalla to accept it!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
lampelina: maybe-do tell more
mircea_popescu: lampelina im actually writing it up, so i'll drop you a link in an hour.
lampelina: I'm far from expert on BTC btw
lampelina: in fact I know very little about it
mircea_popescu: yeah but you can ask kako.
lampelina: true
Vexual: lampalina that sell wall chomped article dropped there preciously (qntra)
mircea_popescu: unlike most girls that hang out with some reddit derp who has no clue.
mircea_popescu: so advantage you.
lampelina: indeed :)
kakobrekla: im busy
lampelina: shut up kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: don't be an asshole kako!
mircea_popescu: i got the patent.
Vexual: and ive got a thing wot says i can use the notion
Vexual: as i se fit disregardless if i remeber anything
Vexual: actually i don;t want t be too much of a bother, but i think you'll find that patent is actually mine
Vexual: you haven't been using it have oyu?
Vexual: yeah i just checked with my lawyer
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/507842067964256256
assbot: Optimism shouldn't be a personal disposition. You want flight attendants to be "optimistic", pilots to be "pessimistic" not the opposite.
kakobrekla: same goes for "asshole"
kakobrekla: but alright imma help
kakobrekla: you exploiter you!
Vexual: id love to try to convince a judge im a bigger asshole than popescue
mircea_popescu: knowing how to exploit is half the orgams.
Vexual: contempting the court wins?
kakobrekla: lampelina you should get your securitah up.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, you have to hold the court in contempt first. It is a race
Vexual: ah yes bb, i don't see things like that though
Vexual: i ws an asshole first and all
mircea_popescu: push up bra for securitits ?!
Vexual: whoawhat?
Vexual: now im confused with vampirealla
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Vampire-Allah-Akbar?
mircea_popescu: if only russ meyer would have directed barbarella...
Vexual: https://d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net/comicart/1248.jpg
mircea_popescu: imagine, a mostly nude teenaged jane fonda with a bunch of bosomy chicks, doing trippy shit
Vexual: do tell
mircea_popescu: nothing to tell, you gotta be there.
Vexual: but its a failm
Vexual: fuck my typos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00074255 = 15.2223 BTC [+]
Vexual: whattabout sophia lauren in silk road?
Vexual: as "the real" dread pirate roberts
mats_cd03: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/ocean-bubble-rescue/index.html
assbot: Man in inflatable bubble rescued off coast of Florida - CNN.com
mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqiuWHN2Mo and of course an accompanying video
assbot: Reza Baluchi - Paddle Bubble - YouTube
TomServo: Almost 2K BTC left the Ethereum wallet Saturday.
Vexual: was the dude in a bubble playing mario bros?
BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
assbot: Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
Vexual: wheres your collar?
mircea_popescu: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/whos-afraid-of-the-workers-revolution
assbot: Who's Afraid of the Workers' Revolution? : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education
mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ?
Vexual: why not
mircea_popescu: no idea
mircea_popescu: !s tucker
assbot: 27 results for 'tucker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tucker
Vexual: you can sign up to uber thru a nigerian here
Vexual: don't ask me how the fuck that works
Vexual: im guessing the cat don't sport a bowtie tho
Vexual: and so it follow he probably just wants the papers to your late model car or some such
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 107 @ 0.16442015 = 17.593 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16499999 = 0.66 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: theres is no left and right anymore
Vexual: satoshi read hashcash and liked it, kids are reading real things
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Did you step on a boat? Look port and starboard.
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 333.13, Best ask: 333.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 332.02, 24 hour volume: 95391.41421327, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 305.254321266
Vexual: well left and right are things, but, im talkin...
Vexual: like, its a big vloud and shit
thickasthieves: http://dpaste.com/3TB87DT
assbot: dpaste: 3TB87DT: Deleted From Reddit - Whale Was Goxcoin Creator, by tat
mircea_popescu: lol why'd it beleete it ?
rithm: 'spiracy
thickasthieves: either reddit or researched deleted it shortly after posting
thickasthieves: but twas cached in my feed reader
thickasthieves: researcher*
mircea_popescu: aha
thickasthieves: apparently i'm not the only one Circle didnt process purchases for
thickasthieves: did 1btc to test, order failed - canceled
mircea_popescu: plenty of such reports yes.
mircea_popescu: pity all their efforts turned out to be in vain huh.
mircea_popescu: must suck.
BingoBoingo: So circle's just another pre-order scam?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest.
mircea_popescu: "it was supposed to go down"
thickasthieves: lol i'm trying to use their customer support to find out why,
thickasthieves: and also giving some feedback
thickasthieves: 500 character limit...
thickasthieves: i mean cmon
mircea_popescu: because reasons, of course.
mircea_popescu: lampelina http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/
assbot: Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thickasthieves: it doesnt even tell me how many characters i have used
mircea_popescu: and btw cazalla, put a quantcast code on the thing
thickasthieves: no room to complain about that tho!
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 342.02, Best ask: 343.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 342.01, 24 hour volume: 97594.75181671, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 344.87, 24 hour vwap: 306.12354108
thickasthieves: but but 275?
mircea_popescu: greatest country in the world
mircea_popescu: or was it richest ?
thickasthieves: surely it's richest in some things
thickasthieves: organic mass
bounce: oh the fertility of bullshit
mircea_popescu: lol im sure india is richer in dung
bounce: should be great for biodiesel
mircea_popescu: biodiesel is such nonsense anyway. what do you need fuel for if there's not a bunch of derps anymore, going from parking lot to parking lot ?
mircea_popescu: here's some simple math : if 10 bn people peak oil = year 2064, 100mn people peak oil = year 7014
mats_cd03: Vexual: its a song from shrek 2
mats_cd03: 'holding out for a hero' frou frou
thickasthieves: i went for a walk and this little girl was playing on her swing chanting the "Everything Is Awesome!" chorus
mats_cd03: das cute
thickasthieves: I went to a football game and everyone was chanting "Third Down For What?!"
thickasthieves: same day
thickasthieves: hankuna matata
thickasthieves: hakuna*
thickasthieves: or sumth
thickasthieves: Jacksonville Jaguars have the largest screens in the world or something
thickasthieves: each of the two wraps like 25% of the place
thickasthieves: they have two glass pools on the second tier, where fans can drink and watch the game and be watched by people watching the game
thickasthieves: on the screens
mircea_popescu: pools as in, water filled ?
thickasthieves: yes
mircea_popescu: so wait, you take the bitches for a swim while the game
thickasthieves: yep
mircea_popescu: and the plebs watch her tits jiggle ?
thickasthieves: yep
mircea_popescu: gangam style.
thickasthieves: and watch bros bro
thickasthieves: then clowns not dressed as clowns firr tshirts from cannons every 20min
thickasthieves: fire*
thickasthieves: meanwhile i'm trading on my tablet buying at 276
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: got a broken link http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: aw
mircea_popescu: missing http does that. fixed ty
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/
BingoBoingo: reddit lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2igcg1/youre_not_gonna_like_this_but_willy_from_mt_gox/
assbot: You're not gonna like this, but Willy from Mt. Gox, was a group of people, with the major player being: Jeff Garzik. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: what's not to like ?
BingoBoingo: Everything is to like, except that which is for to love.
thickasthieves: also, so what if he was Willy
mircea_popescu: wait. is the thesis that the willy REPORT was authored by mostly garzik
mircea_popescu: or that he wrote the php code for the actual bot on karpeles' exchange or what ?
thickasthieves: or that he was manning the whole thing
mthreat: mircea murdoch!
thickasthieves: i'm not sure why i'd care to discern any of those
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.5742731 BTC. Current weight: 88,477.
mircea_popescu: mthreat im not old enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00074294 = 22.1396 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves "Go ahead, prove me wrong. I want you to." ? whay are we reading derppit again ?
mircea_popescu: "[–]PWNY_EVEREADY 1 point 8 minutes ago Ahh what a community! A key bitcoin core developer was scamming/ripping off the community he supposedly believes in. Who needs regulation amirite?" i guess we have the new party line, if nothing else.
thickasthieves: well reddit is good for one thing, churning fresh bitcoin text
mircea_popescu: they gotta learn to make better astroturf reddit accts, incidentally.
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/
thickasthieves: nice pricepoint choice
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.111 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.
mircea_popescu: !up Newar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.00074367 = 10.3958 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: heh thickasthieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#836412 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2014 02:11:34; kakobrekla: if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant
thickasthieves: indeed
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/#c4108
assbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 day| weight: 18`745 (100`000 to 1)
kakobrekla: someone really needs to put up a site "derp for btc" to serve as craigslist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.1379006 = 8.1361 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/05/has-north-korea-s-kim-jong-un-been-toppled.html
assbot: Has North Koreas Kim Jong Un Been Toppled? - The Daily Beast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.76046076 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 327 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533
BingoBoingo: Oh, by defeating WhaleBearPig we apparently earned another diff increase
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd be the best nrws evar
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why because if Kim is deposed Obama must be following soon after?
danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman
danielpbarron: ugh, lost ident; someone wanna get this?
danielpbarron: it'll take me a few minutes
TomServo: !up brianhoffman
brianhoffman: thank you
brianhoffman: assbot...
danielpbarron: he's the OpenBazaar guy
TomServo: Ah, welcome
brianhoffman: I’m trying to get @dionyziz in here
brianhoffman: he’s spearheading the trust work
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust brianhoffman
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user brianhoffman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=brianhoffman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=brianhoffman | Rated since: never
brianhoffman: him and his professor
danielpbarron: you'll want to get in the WoT if you want to be taken seriously
danielpbarron: which shouldn't be hard to do for a couple of devs
brianhoffman: @dionyziz i believe is already
brianhoffman: I will work on it
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust dionyziz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user dionyziz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=dionyziz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dionyziz | Rated since: Wed Jun 8 13:05:32 2011
brianhoffman: ok or not
brianhoffman: his work has mostly been around pgp wot
danielpbarron: he is; just not in my L2
brianhoffman: ok
danielpbarron: i'll give him a +1 when i get authed again
brianhoffman: i just shot him a msg so maybe he’ll jump in
danielpbarron: what is this I've heard about a decentralized reputation system?
danielpbarron: and can the idea be applied instead to this gribble WoT
brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first.
brianhoffman: this is all very notional at the moment though.
brianhoffman: have you read the paper dionysis put out about this so far?
danielpbarron: i figured as much, or else it would already be a think in here
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533
danielpbarron: thing* // re: the paper, no
punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those
brianhoffman: https://gist.github.com/dionyziz/e3b296861175e0ebea4b
assbot: web-of-trust.md
brianhoffman: sorry for links if you all are against that crap in here but i figured it’s easiest to just link you over
TheNewDeal: oh we link
danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits
brianhoffman: :P
brianhoffman: ok well so what is your main interest here? just that we are trying to reinvent the wheel?
brianhoffman: or that you think we’re idiots in general :P
danielpbarron: a little of both
punkman: "Global trust is trust towards a particular individual which is seen as the same from all members of the network. Projected trust is established through a pseudonymous partial knowledge web-of-trust, while global trust is established through proof-of-burn and proof-of-timelock mechanisms."
danielpbarron: but you joined here, so there might be hope
punkman: we don't have timelocks yet
brianhoffman: which is why at the moment we’re leveraging proof of burn
punkman: well that's silly
brianhoffman: we’re following the Peter Todd BIP
brianhoffman: and what not
brianhoffman: but this is all not slated for the next week’s release here
danielpbarron: i like proof of burn -- that's why XCP is still a thing, and mastercoin isn't
brianhoffman: proof of burn is fine. at the moment we’re doing it wrong and spamming the UTXO
brianhoffman: we will be leveraging op_return in the next release hopefully
brianhoffman: at the moment the entire project is under code review
brianhoffman: our project has great breadth and we’re certainly not interested in stepping on toes or making grandiose claims about any one area
brianhoffman: we would love to collaborate where possible
brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff
brianhoffman: feel free to destroy anything we publish so we can evolve
brianhoffman: that’s why i’ve come to your IRC instead of just insulting @danielbarron more
brianhoffman: :)
punkman: "In OpenBazaar, the participants are inherently pseudonymous. In this setting, we wish to maintain an identity for each node. This identity is strictly distinct from the operator's real-world identity."
danielpbarron: i like gribble the way it is so far, but I think I saw discussion in here some time ago about making it decentralized; that's why I figured you might have something interesting to say
punkman: that probably won't work
brianhoffman: ok so the folks from freenet argued that as well
brianhoffman: i’m interested to hear your justification though
pete_dushenski: "The new [French cybersecurity] rules include fines of as much as 750,000 euros for companies that fail government security audits, and demand that French businesses reconsider their technology choices to focus on certified -- mostly ‘‘made in France” -- products."
thickasthieves: to prevent central party from acting evil or from being acted evil upon
punkman: brianhoffman: some things to consider here perhaps http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/
assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
brianhoffman: ok i will read.
thestringpuller: wtf is even going on
thestringpuller: i'm gone for 2 days
brianhoffman: hey i hate to run but i have to. I heard from @dionyziz and he said he will be able to drop in a little later. I will DM you on Twitter @danielpbarron when he’s available and then just drop in say hey to continue the talk if you don’t mind.
brianhoffman: i don’t think this is a short convo anyways
brianhoffman: he’s on a “jog"
punkman: brianhoffman: the gist is: just use GPG identities and let silk road be silk road
brianhoffman: now that’s no fun, just giving up the ghost :P
brianhoffman: i hear you and i’ll be back
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 341.04, Best ask: 341.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 341.89, 24 hour volume: 87215.20972272, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 309.778317883
danielpbarron: ;;rate dionyziz 1 OpenBazaar, http://twitter.com/dionyziz
assbot: Dionysis Zindros (@dionyziz) | Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dionyziz has been recorded.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many profit centers does MPIF have left?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 3
mircea_popescu: !up oda_krell
mircea_popescu tries to remember what this openbazaar thing is
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thestringpuller: man i have too much to catch up on
thestringpuller: all these statements on trilema and new articles
thestringpuller: i was gone 1 day
mircea_popescu: trilema waits for no one
thickasthieves: openbazaar is darkmarketwotcoin
thickasthieves: or such
bounce: but it's open!
mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so basically what, ebay but sovereign ?
mircea_popescu: "He forks therefore he leads" lol. what do you do bri o wow he left huh
dignork: well, there would be fees for escrow services
oda_krell: I suppose the 10min temp voice is one's chance to really shine in here, huh? Song and dance routine maybe? Anyway, don't have anything to really say right now, but I like to lurk from time to time.
ben_vulpes: oda_krell: it's 30 minutes
mircea_popescu: oda_krell half hour, but basically yes.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000170
gribble: 0.679679960774
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first. << myeah.
mircea_popescu: !up nomos__
mircea_popescu: punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those << i recall discussions about wot bridges in here too. none of it is insurmontable, except, making a p2p wot.
mircea_popescu: which is why the multicentral approach seems to me better.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits << hm, thinking about it, that's exacly the rule, isn't it ? observant daniel.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000190
gribble: 0.759642309101
mircea_popescu: punkman :we don't have timelocks yet << timecocks would be pretty cool too.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff <<< well the s/use/leverage/g thing you got going is a bit weird.
ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/iVHfwLc.gif
thestringpuller: i think there is a way to sucesfully use nlocktime without having to worry about doublespend
mircea_popescu: anyway, the major stiucking point here being, so you have your openbazaar, and anonderp is selling a box of secret documents or w/e.
mircea_popescu: how is he supposed to deliver this without getting caught ?
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction << ha!
bounce: cut all the papers in two, send one box by ups and the other by fedex
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: what if they're live baby rats for a certain brunette chick?
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin << on fire, this guy.
mircea_popescu: yeah im bevcoming a xanth fan too
mircea_popescu: !up xanthyos
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot xanthyos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014
thestringpuller: we should just refer to maxcoin as jefferycoin for now on.
mircea_popescu: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deicide-s-benton-i-hate-hoffman-brothers-more-than-anything-in-this-world/ one of the better interviews
assbot: Deicide's Benton: 'I Hate Hoffman Brothers More Than Anything In This World' - Blabbermouth.net
mircea_popescu: Decibel: Has it been weird writing songs without the Hoffman brothers [Eric and Brian, former DEICIDE guitarists]?
mircea_popescu: Benton: "It's been the fucking greatest thing in the world. Those two are a couple of idiots, man. I hate Eric and Brian Hoffman more than anything in this world, and I will not rest until I put shit straight with the fans. Up 'til now, everybody thinks I kicked them out of the band, but nobody kicked anybody out. They quit on their own, and I wanna set the record straight in regard to those two fuckin' pricks."
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: yup.
mircea_popescu: Benton: "Yeah, they're real nice guys. We're in the process of suing them right now — for slander and everything else, dude. They're going around telling people I'm addicted to methamphetamine. You know what? Who hasn't experimented with a few things in their life? Big deal. So what if I experimented? They did, too! But, look, I don't even drink anymore, man. I mean, I'll have a Heineken every once in a while, but I
mircea_popescu: was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniel's every night before I went onstage and another bottle while I was playing. That starts catching up with you real quick, and I started going blind in my right eye. So after a nice scare at the doctor's office about four years ago, I stopped."
mircea_popescu: total comedy gold these people
bounce: that about this guy?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
bounce: that refers to the same guy as the brianhoffman popped by here earlier?
mircea_popescu: a no. just name coincidence.
thickasthieves: would it be absurd for me to suggest that bitcoin volatility has a base shape, which appears as fractals and distorts according to current trend? sorta like an elliot wave or bubble pattern? something like the shape of the algorithm as averaged by combinining all trade bots and human behavior?
mircea_popescu: there's a coupla death metal bass players, brothers, by that name
pete_dushenski: Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls << orly?
thestringpuller: http://quartersnacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/subway-ollie.jpg
bounce: what a cute photo. until you realise how it was probably taken.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: thans
indiancandy1: thanks
indiancandy1: long time
indiancandy1: how are you mp
mircea_popescu: great as ever. yourself ?
indiancandy1: im good dear
indiancandy1: u still in argentina
mircea_popescu: yep
indiancandy1: awsom
indiancandy1: im in india
mircea_popescu: getting married ?
indiancandy1: no dear
indiancandy1: goin on a city tour
mircea_popescu: btw, dun call people dear in english. it's this 70 year old grandma thing to do, and for some reason all indian camgirls do it.
fluffypony: finding your inner sacred cow?
indiancandy1: ahaha
mircea_popescu: (reason being that they proly learned english from 70yo little old ladies)
indiancandy1: racist
indiancandy1: :O
indiancandy1: ahaha
indiancandy1: all indian cam girls
mircea_popescu: which city is india ?
indiancandy1: stereotype
indiancandy1: jeez
indiancandy1: im in lucknow
indiancandy1: at the moment in up
mircea_popescu: hm. never been there.
indiancandy1: i signed a new fil
indiancandy1: film
indiancandy1: so im promotin it
mircea_popescu: o hey. what's your role ?
indiancandy1: called i luv dubai
mircea_popescu: link it ?
indiancandy1: ok
indiancandy1: 1sec
indiancandy1: youtube
indiancandy1: isnt working
indiancandy1: i duno why
bounce: senile tremor on the enter key?
indiancandy1: youtube shanti dynamite i luv dubai
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzFaX5k9H0 ?
assbot: Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube
indiancandy1: ya me and ajaz
indiancandy1: youtube isnt working for me i duno why
mircea_popescu: tsk, pushing up your tits and being all bashful about your hip tattoo ?
mircea_popescu: lol and fakekissing the guy ? ok, this was entertaining
indiancandy1: no not really camera only ffocused on negative things
indiancandy1: sadly
mircea_popescu: yeah looks like they want to set you up for a heel role.
indiancandy1: the camera was only zooming
indiancandy1: on my boobs
mircea_popescu: so what's your pr lady next move for you ? major drug scandal ?
indiancandy1: pr man
indiancandy1: my pr is a man
indiancandy1: give me good ideas
thickasthieves: sex tape
thickasthieves: oh wait
mircea_popescu: nah sex tape wrong move for her.
indiancandy1: im goin 2 shower il b bACK
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's simple, have some people friendly in the press over at your hotel, have a policeman come and arrest you and confiscate a huge bundle of flour.
mircea_popescu: then you declare you're innocent, a week later they let you go because it was a mistake and there you go, two extra points. maybe three.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2180 @ 0.00058096 = 1.2665 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#860305 < several problems with that, id fix if there would be a good solution. problem 1: !down would depend on gribbles presence, now it does not since down does not check wot but if a person self upped or not. problem 2: afaik even wot api is cached ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 03:17:27; ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah dun worry about it. not really a problem.
kakobrekla: so even if you unrate/negrate you can not down that person, not cause of cache but cause they self upped
kakobrekla: well, someone could run a bnc, self up and yapp for weeks
mircea_popescu: bnc can also have problems.
kakobrekla: just sayin
mircea_popescu: yeah. dun worry about it, worry bout something else :)
thickasthieves: http://www.coindesk.com/investor-tim-draper-leads-snapcards-1-5-million-seed-round/
assbot: Investor Tim Draper Leads SnapCard's $1.5 Million Seed Round
mircea_popescu: "HOW SNAPCARD WORKS. Download snapCard."
mircea_popescu: orly ? lol.
pete_dushenski: "Everything published was very logical. But, consider this, what if you were to create a awesome title? I ain't suggesting your content is not good., however suppose you added something that makes people want more? I mean IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski is a little plain. You could glance at Yahoo's front page and see how they create news titles to grab viewers to open the links. You might add a
pete_dushenski: video or a pic or two to get people excited about what you've written. In my opinion, it would make your website a little bit more interesting." << lol these sp4mmers
pete_dushenski: so good i'm tempted to approve the comment
thickasthieves: approve a picture of the comment, kill two birds
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: haha don't give me ideas
pete_dushenski: mebbe ima take a video of a nekkid chick takin a picture of it then approve that
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (163 milliseconds), mpex.co (195 milliseconds), mpex.biz (433 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (528 milliseconds), mpex.bz (752 milliseconds)
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: !up Terra123
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/KonradSGraf/status/518879632473726976 << just to bug ben_vulpes
assbot: The 5th of October in bitcoin price history10: $0.0611: $4.90 +82x12: $12.75 +2.6x13: $121.49 +9.5x14: $304.16 +2.5x
mircea_popescu: sooo apparently a mpex proxy (mpex.co) got dns hijacked ?
pete_dushenski: iiiiinteresting
kakobrekla: it did?
thickasthieves: so next is 10x?
thickasthieves: makes sense
thickasthieves: 3000
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? << o mr. sleepyhead? there's definitely worse muppets out on the "conference" scene.
thickasthieves: is that the bowtie guy
mircea_popescu: hmmm no, it did not.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf this was.
thickasthieves: there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing
thickasthieves: or maybe he's always that way
mircea_popescu: well that's no crime yet.
thickasthieves: i thought all things distinctive were crimes?!
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: yup, definitely bowtie guy
pete_dushenski: personal friend of bitstein's too afaik
thickasthieves: word
pete_dushenski: he's a pretty gushy dude it seems
thickasthieves: ah
pete_dushenski: and he was even "distinctive" enough to pass out cold at a conference dinner while being referenced by the speaker on stage. see: http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
assbot: Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: !up brianhoffman
mircea_popescu: !up dionyziz
brianhoffman: thank you
mircea_popescu: sure.
brianhoffman: ok I’ve got @dionyziz here and I think he may have some questions for you all
mircea_popescu: didja see thge logs ?
mircea_popescu: cuz i was talking @you after you apparently left.
dionyziz: Ha, I can speak! :)
dionyziz: Hello.
brianhoffman: no I did not. is it online anywhere?
brianhoffman: ok i think i found it
brianhoffman: reading now
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861219 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored."
mircea_popescu: right
brianhoffman: mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar?
brianhoffman: and also I am not the guitarist for Deicide lol
dionyziz: I heard you guys have some thoughts on our web-of-trust ideas.
brianhoffman: I can play guitar but I’m not in a heavy metal by any means lol
dionyziz: I'm very interested in hearing them, especially if you disagree with our proposals.
brianhoffman: mircea_popescu did you see dionyziz’ paper that we have up online? i posted the link earlier
dionyziz: If you think what we're trying to do is impossible or impractical, this is very important to us and we want to know why.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz well not so much on your ideas whatever they may be, but moreover, how familiar are you with the wot as it works and is implemented currently ?
brianhoffman: I’m working through your devil goat entry
mircea_popescu: devil goat ? which is that one ?
brianhoffman: urban vs. rural
mircea_popescu: oh hehe. myeah.
mircea_popescu: <brianhoffman> mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar? << yes.
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/asic-miner-price/
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Are you talking about the bitcoin-otc wot, the gpg wot, the freenet wot, which one exatly?
brianhoffman: the issue of shipping ties in nicely with the discussion about arbitration and third-parties in trade transactions
mircea_popescu: dionyziz the first.
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dionyziz&sign=ANY&type=RECV
assbot: Rating Details for User 'dionyziz'
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Yes, I have sent and received some ratings and used this system to exachange bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman let me restate it. since shipping precludes practical anonimity, it makes sense to bundle the trust required to maintain pseudonymous identities with the trust required to police transactions, resulting in the following cutting of your mayo : centralized trade with decentralized comm network. which reduces your idea to reimplementing gpg over email.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz that is rather basic, but anyway, much better than nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: so, how do you aim to improve on this ?
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Yes, my rating is basic on bitcoin-otc, but I feel I have an understanding of your work.
dionyziz: Regarding your comments on shipping, this is a different issue which we also have concerns about.
mircea_popescu: well that was @ brianhoffman. you, i asked how you aim to improve the wot as it is
dionyziz: As for your question regarding improvements over your bitcoin-otc wot work, I'd like to first say that we appreciate the work you've done.
mircea_popescu: you know i've done nothing much re bitcoin otc. it's mostly nanotube's thing.
dionyziz: And it's an important asset for the bitcoin community.
dionyziz: Yes, I mean "you" in plural.
dionyziz: You as in, people in this channel who have worked on this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway! thanks, and dun worry about it, you're not being griled in the sense of having been a bad boy
mircea_popescu: im just trying to grok .
dionyziz: So, regarding improvements.
dionyziz: Some of these ideas are detailed in my paper, but keep in mind that my paper is incomplete and just lays out some of our thoughts. We are improving on it and thinking about additional things.
brianhoffman: I think I see what you’re saying in regards to reimplementing gpg. This is a valid point.
dionyziz: The first issue we have with bitcoin-otc is its Achilles' heel.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz i am keeping it in mind, which is why i asked diretly :)
dionyziz: We feel its centralization is harmful.
dionyziz: In OpenBazaar, our threat model requires no centralization, so we want users to be able to validate trust directly.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman no, it's not. looky here, let's model it. there are 3 items of interest. 1. the shipping of purchased items ; 2. the discussion of trade, ie, merchant and buyer meeting hteir minds ; 3. the payment for purchases. now, these 3 can be sorted in any which way. otc for instance sorts it that 2 is gpg over email or an irc channel, 1 is mail and 3 is the wot.
punkman: that's when I ask you to GPG sign something
dionyziz: This is the main reason we think bitcoin-otc wot is inadequate.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman your proposition is to somehow weld them together, but because you can not practically remove the problem of 1, it'll still revert to something similar, inevitably.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz are you familiar with the discussion of multicentrality vs decentralisation ?
brianhoffman: are you implying that the anonymity is simply thrown out the window once you begin shipping purchased items? i’m feeling dense here.
mircea_popescu: quite that, yes.
brianhoffman: well i guess my response at least initially would be are we really trying to solve that issue here...
brianhoffman: i don’t think that is really in scope for OpenBazaar
brianhoffman: i see it as an issue
brianhoffman: but i don’t believe we’re proposing a solution here at the moment for that challenge
mircea_popescu: i gather. but the thing is, that challenge will unravel whatever model you may build.
mircea_popescu: it's why silkroad collapsed, after all. you can't ship.
mircea_popescu: and since you can't really tell people what to do, you will end up in that conflict whether you want to or not.
brianhoffman: you do realize that a large percentage of items shipped are most likely illicit. this does not stop it from occurring.
brianhoffman: and those engaging in privacy conscious behavior will know to protect as best they can out of band from OpenBazaar
mircea_popescu: i think you maybe misunderstand how safety is effectually implemented.
brianhoffman: ok enlighten me
mircea_popescu: well, for as long as you're small nobody cares that you're moving contraband back and forth, because it's not meaningfully discernible from the general noise of the system
mircea_popescu: once you become large you ipso facto have a footprint
mircea_popescu: at which point you either go to jail or backstab your users
mircea_popescu: in practice, both.
brianhoffman: well i think that mirrors real life rather well. as your “image” becomes larger your activity becomes less indistinguishable from others.
brianhoffman: you stick out
dionyziz: I do not see why this is a necessity.
brianhoffman: i agree
brianhoffman: my argument is that this is a meatspace issue
mircea_popescu: dionyziz b ecause you're leaking information through the shipping. think of it in crypto terms, you're using a 8 bit key on an amiga as part of the process.
bounce: not all trades involve items shipped, and where they do the users of any system, decentralised or not, basically have to provide their own safety. cut-outs and that sort of thing. it does put a bit of a damper as to what is reasonable to advertise.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman well sure, but it doesn't so much matter if it's a meatspace issue or not. what matters is that it's the controlling issue
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Some items are shipped digitally.
mircea_popescu: and in being controlling, it'll control. which means it'll shape the marketplace.
dionyziz: But solving the shipping problem is currently out of the scope of OpenBazaar.
dionyziz: We're not trying to solve this problem.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz for that much your idea would work fine
dionyziz: We're not trying to solve every problem.
mircea_popescu: except information wants to be free and all that.
dionyziz: There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable.
brianhoffman: well i’d like to say we’re working on a decentralized drone delivery network as part of this
dionyziz: Rented PO boxes.
brianhoffman: but our scope is already huge
dionyziz: Drones.
dionyziz: etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something.
dionyziz: And I'm interested in these ideas, but OpenBazaar is not trying to find solutions there.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz how old are you ?
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: I'm 27.
dionyziz: You?
thestringpuller: drones are not going to work in the US
thestringpuller: they WILL find you
dionyziz: thestringpuller: I live in the EU :)
mircea_popescu: okay. im 35. but anyway : no, rented po boxes and drones aren't solutions.
thestringpuller: and they will fine you
dionyziz: Sure, ok.
brianhoffman: hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back.
dionyziz: As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping.
dionyziz: In the same way that cryptography isn't trying to solve all the problems of security,
mircea_popescu: ok, so what problem does it try to solve ?
dionyziz: in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade.
mircea_popescu: you mean anonimity or pseudonimity ?
dionyziz: We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
dionyziz: The delivery is their own problem.
mircea_popescu: these two are not the same in any sense, stop using them as synonyms.
dionyziz: "Anonymity" and "pseudonymity" are defined precisely on my writing.
mircea_popescu: anyway : this already exists, it's a solved problem. why are you resolving a solved problem ?
dionyziz: I don't think it's a solved problem.
dionyziz: Can you explain why you think it's a solved problem?
mircea_popescu: yes. because for instance, lemme find it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34536 @ 0.00074314 = 25.6651 BTC [-] {2}
dionyziz: OK
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/asicminer-agreementtxt.asc << there you go.
mircea_popescu: pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract.
mircea_popescu: in... 2012.
mircea_popescu: (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!)
dignork: !up dionyziz
thickasthieves: shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc?
thickasthieves: was it 2000?
thickasthieves: good ole days
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: OK, I will read this.
dionyziz: Thank you for sharing this with me :)
dionyziz: And thank you for taking the time to address these issues with us.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends.
mircea_popescu: this chan's always here for that very reason
dionyziz: Ah, I see what this is.
dignork: dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the
dignork: risk adjustment percentage?
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Maybe it is similar to this agreement that I did with a friend a few months ago? https://dionyziz.com/hedge.txt
mircea_popescu: dignork you can't have bias in a decentralized market. you will instead have volatility. bias happens in central markets like ebay deciding to side with buyer
dionyziz: I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz it's not personal in any sense. signatures are pseudonyms for this purpose
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
thickasthieves: and can host illegal software without being caught
mircea_popescu: which is a matter of the wot. lettuce find the relevant article.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz ^
mircea_popescu: and with this i'll have to take a meeting, but will be back in an hour or so. cheers.
dionyziz: Thanks for the link, I will read it.
dionyziz: Let's talk again soon :)
dionyziz: Nice meeting you.
dionyziz: Bye for now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00074439 = 34.8375 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/AngeloBTC/status/519170753036427264 << lol @ seamonster
assbot: /hashtag/BearWhaled?src=hash http://t.co/BknJyNIy5S
pete_dushenski: i guess he's andreas 3.0 (2.0 was twobittard)
dignork: mircea_popescu: bias was mentioned as part of explanation on why arbiters will act as random oracles, thus making risk split 50/50 on buyer and seller.
Naphex: So.. did you guys check out http://coinspark.org/ yet ?
assbot: CoinSpark | Lightweight Scalable Solution for Colored Coins
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: afaik even wot api is cached
ben_vulpes chuckles
ben_vulpes: yeah, that'd stop realtime anything
kakobrekla: even realtime chuckles
ben_vulpes: i'm an asynchronous chuckler
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: where is wot api?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes hook me up
ben_vulpes chuck
ben_vulpes les
thestringpuller: seriously just gonna leave me hangin?
xanthyos: wow btc is in the black!
xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h
xanthyos: this is it, guys. next stop 10k
ben_vulpes: lol u
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 331.11, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 331.11, 24 hour volume: 77530.12186140, 24 hour low: 295.89, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 314.494778796
thestringpuller: xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h that's a pretty good ROI
dignork: Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: http://coinspark.org/create-asset/asset-tracking-server/
assbot: Optional: Run your own asset tracking server | CoinSpark
thickasthieves: http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10/battle-rapper-daylyt-attempted-to-poop-on-stage-after-getting-booed-at-a-show-this-weekend
assbot: Battle Rapper Daylyt Attempted to Poop On Stage After Getting Booed At a Show This Weekend | Complex
thickasthieves: poop!
TomServo: You're failing pretty hard when you fail at shitting.
Naphex: dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything
Naphex: and have to specify some reference ID
Naphex: i mind yet*, still checking it out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00074476 = 13.0333 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: atleast their issued code, apperantly whats running on their free servers tracks everything
TomServo: Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck.
dignork: Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074487 = 28.1561 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory."
punkman: also "At least 8 GB of RAM."
Naphex: punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC
Naphex: and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol
punkman: so what is it, colored coins?
Naphex: colored coins with some asset servers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7083 @ 0.00074512 = 5.2777 BTC [+]
sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra
assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter
mircea_popescu: dignork yeah in that you have a point
mircea_popescu: still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.
mircea_popescu: ie, want to sell for 20, sell anywhere between 17 and 23.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
assbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;messages cazalla
gribble: Error: "messages" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;notice cazalla
gribble: Error: You don't have the reply.notice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
mircea_popescu: lol wtf was it
mike_c: ;;notes cazalla
gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> also "At least 8 GB of RAM." << that sounds like five ddoses waiting to happen...
mircea_popescu: !up junkie
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick nice of you eh.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1325 @ 0.000589 = 0.7804 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen psterryl
gribble: psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <psterryl> how many individual trades there were
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/receiver-for-bflabs/
mircea_popescu: "According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."
mircea_popescu: i guess ex-drpk bureaucrats can probably find job writing forum prospectuses.
mike_c: ;;seen wyrdmantis
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
mike_c: ;;isitdown bcoinnews.com
gribble: bcoinnews.com is up
mike_c: not for me gribble.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17120 @ 0.00074556 = 12.764 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !s bitlendingclub
assbot: 0 results for 'bitlendingclub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitlendingclub
kakobrekla: 400% apr https://bitlendingclub.com hehe
assbot: BitLendingClub: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending Platform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00074298 = 14.3024 BTC [-] {3}
xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dAHGvmT6v8
assbot: Earth Time Lapse, International Space Station, ISS, Fly Over, ORBIT HD - YouTube
punkman: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Rare-Apple-iPhone-6-Prototype-64gb-/171483815097
assbot: Brand New RARE Apple iPhone 6 Prototype 64GB | eBay
punkman: ;;calc 100000 / [tlast]
gribble: 301.8503426
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1000000 / [twontlast]
gribble: Error: "twontlast" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: it's not as much a command as a scrying :D
ben_vulpes: ;;tlast
gribble: 331.38
ben_vulpes: ah.
ben_vulpes: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324180 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35337713013.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.95112
mircea_popescu: !up tomding
punkman: here have some weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoME_aMm1w
assbot: T.O.P - DOOM DADA M/V - YouTube
thickasthieves: or writing prospectii for Pat Byrne http://www.wired.com/2014/10/overstock-com-assembles-coders-build-bitcoin-like-stock-market/
assbot: Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market | WIRED
thickasthieves: "After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."
punkman: lol
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.
thickasthieves: ftr i was never offered the position :)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ for absolutely no reason.
assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thickasthieves: AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35371817081.7 based on data since last change | 39333332992.6 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: lol was 37 yesterday
mircea_popescu: yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324182 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35371817081.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.04952
mircea_popescu: it went up a whole .1% in twenty minutes, that estimation.
mircea_popescu: fucking arsonists these people.
mircea_popescu: 2nd fire in my building in like a month or so
TheNewDeal: grease fire?
thickasthieves: argentinians are pretty greasy
mircea_popescu: nah this smells like paper
mircea_popescu: i guess must be a dyi divorce gone bad or something
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAT8RZ.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 6 ✂︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC
BingoBoingo: qntra traffic thus far, I'll get on cazalla to set up quantcast when he's back: http://i.imgur.com/HaGe47Y.png
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."
mircea_popescu: seems it'd have been better called marvinomy
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-r4-devices-seized-at-customs-one-person-detained/
TheNewDeal: ;;trust penguirker
gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust penguirker
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user penguirker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=penguirker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=penguirker | Rated since: never