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cazalla: https://blockchain.info/address/148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg one of the guy's alleged addresses
assbot: Bitcoin Address 148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg
mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/q0PT7s4e
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: omg wtf gpg doesn't veriufy its own clearsigned output
mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/rh2bYpJq
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: aok
punkbot: Bundled 9 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF
mircea_popescu: cazalla omaigawd, traffic dropped. now you gotta fire someone!!
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF
cazalla: well, BingoBoingo brought yesterdays traffic so if he can't maintain it for more than a day....
BingoBoingo: A, well. Hard to fire people when there isn't a payroll...
BingoBoingo: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06477.html
assbot: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2li3gq/the_guy_who_bought_a_tesla_with_bitcoin_it_was/ << crankbait discussed
assbot: The guy who bought a Tesla with Bitcoin? It was the "DPR2" from Silk Road....pillar of industry : Buttcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00068807 = 17.4082 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00068794 = 7.361 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol tesla got confiscated ?
mircea_popescu: besides, i thought bugpowder bought a tesla.
mircea_popescu: decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii <<< i hear berlin chicks had a lot of fun in '45.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things. <<< yeah, but not kidz! we do not take your kidz!
mircea_popescu: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck keeps upping ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;) <<< if you two do that, a film is guaranteed.
mircea_popescu: bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are? << you're new here aren't you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta love how the us propaganda machine studiously omits to mention who this entire "sec letters!!11" trend is trying to immitate. totally works, boyz, srsly. cuz nobody knows anything, everyone gets his informations from wired.com.
mircea_popescu: everyone at the retirement home.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand <<< the same way they convinced the masses that russia invaded atlanta, georgia.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: proverbial cake and eating it too <<< and yet none of your renters seem to want free money ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense? <<< vitriol.
Adlai: here, we see the financier in his natural habitat, conducting the daily post-accounting scrollback review
mircea_popescu: hai.
Adlai: good morning
mircea_popescu: i need tougher regulation to be able to do mai business. also mary jo attached to my cock.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?
Adlai hopes you submitted one or both requests to the BitLicense committee
mircea_popescu: or toosoon.
mircea_popescu: Adlai waiting for them to prequalify via tits article first.
Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software
Adlai: participation in the brainstorm requires accepting into your heart the axiom that the market is a positive-sum game
mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
mircea_popescu: the shortcut to this being, go work for a trader, write software to improve process.
mircea_popescu: the market may be positive or negative-sum, it all depends.
Adlai: these are rather narrow paths, though. a nice path enables many to walk abreast.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: just how much software do you imagine is needed ?
mircea_popescu: this isn't fucking farming.
Adlai: it's some form of statistical farming
gernika: Visiting FB tomorrow. Anything you all want me to mention to Zuckerburg?
Adlai: the amount of software needed is much less relevant than its quality, which isn't correlated to man-months in any simple/linear fashion
Adlai: gernika: "I slept through your assembly talk, but everybody who attended said it sucked"
gernika: ok noted.
mircea_popescu: Adlai no, it's correlated with " go work for a trader, write software to improve process." in a simple, lienar fashion.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that f(!x) = 0.
Adlai: damn you and your flawless logic
mircea_popescu: it correlates with logic in a simple, linear fashion!
Adlai: social scientists HATE him!
mircea_popescu: social(somethingsomething)ists
Adlai: in primary school, we had "social studies" class... let's just call them that, and the members of this field - "social students"
Adlai: Q:"what do you do?" A:"i'm a career student" Q:"damn, how are the student loans hitting you?" A:"actually, i just got tenured"
mircea_popescu: lol.
Adlai: out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ? << Basically to hurt the copyrastas
mircea_popescu: Adlai at the very least that i'll negrate you if you do ?
Adlai: that turned personal quite quickly
Adlai knows it's just a figure of speech
Adlai: negrating doesn't hurt anybody who's not in the WoT, and a fair amount (all?) of copyrasta economic activity is done outside of the WoT...
mircea_popescu: well, english does not have a proper impersonal pronoun.
mircea_popescu: "you" in general. "one".
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/teddy/status/530147575697907712/photo/1
assbot: there were about 20 FBI agents searching my neighbor’s tesla and suv earlier today in the mission. /hashtag/mystery?src=hash http://t.co/o5YZmFnKpO
Adlai: well, english++ has "∀(violater) → negration"
mircea_popescu: and if the activity is done outside of the law,
mircea_popescu: then it is quite clear what it means. i'll sue.
Adlai: which law? :)
mircea_popescu: the contemporary equivalent of "i'll send a bunch of rogues to stab you in the throat"
mircea_popescu: wot. the only law.
Adlai: how do you press charges against wot violators?
Adlai: negrating is more akin to merely filing them
mircea_popescu: you don't follow. lemme detail it!
Adlai has read "GPG Contracts" and "Complete Theory of Economics" already, although may be fuzzy on the details
mircea_popescu: centuries ago, the natural mode of administering justice was, club over head. the legal system was developed as a better alternative to this. so, if one was reachable by the courts, you'd sue. if not however, club->head.
mircea_popescu: this lasted until a year or two ago , and which point the wot became the legal system. at this point necessarily the previous, obsolete fiat cvasi-legal system became the club->head method.
mircea_popescu: so today, if one is in the wot, he gets neg'd. and if is not... club->head, according to what that means currently, ie, sued in a fiat court of "law".
mircea_popescu: clear enuff ?
BingoBoingo: Goes back to if there is an unauthorized Penguin edition of a nubbins' #B-A book. Penguin gets real sued.
mircea_popescu: right.
Adlai: "outside the law" and "sue" now take on tiered meanings, with each transgression offering up a new avenue of redress. i like this.
mircea_popescu: ayup.
Adlai: although still missing is a way of negrating people who aren't yet in the wot
mircea_popescu: well, exactly like there was missing a way to sue people in the western terrirories.
mircea_popescu: for as long as the place is a dump inhabited by mexicans and indians, its not really needed
Adlai: something like "I negrate the person known as ABC and/or XYZ, holder of passport number 123456789"
mircea_popescu: the ONLY way it can become something other than a dump is inextricably linked to getting the legal system, so.
dub: my god that gawker article is retarded
Adlai: s/article/reader
mircea_popescu: dub hey, write a qntra piece! for me!
mircea_popescu: Adlai nothing keeps you from making that a deed right now.
dub: not sure i've read gawker before, its buzzfeed isnt it
dub: mircea_popescu: on?
Adlai hastily mutters something about the lack of proper impersonal pronouns
mircea_popescu: and since the b-a domain is so powerful, you'll prolly fuck up their google fu forever.
mircea_popescu: dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ?
mircea_popescu: use yer noggin.
dub: praps in a month or two when noggin is operational
mircea_popescu: works.
dub: split day/night weeks is like being on crack
Adlai: the deed system does seem like a step forwards from gribble-wot
mircea_popescu: dub what are you doing, guarding dcs ?!
Adlai: what exactly is your sleep schedule in such a week?
mircea_popescu: nanotube btw, give deeds.bitcoin-assets.com a spin sometime ? i think it may well be ready.
dub: wrangling internets per usual
dub: Adlai: its variable, 3 or 4 nights 0400-1000 balance trying to be useful during daylight
mircea_popescu: see, had you followed that bloomingdale's executive program you wouldn't have to work nights.
Adlai wonders when we'll start selecting for faster native garbage collection
Adlai: the phenotype is definitely out there
dub: then I'd be slumming on exec money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0006868 = 11.2979 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, others: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/buterin.png
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
asciilifeform: shamelessly photodiddled.
asciilifeform: who wants, can use wherever.
thestringpuller: greatest thing ever!
Adlai: is it based off something?
asciilifeform: clipart from www.
Adlai has been out of the ethereum loop for just about as long as it's existed
mircea_popescu: shit that's good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why water tho ? fecal matter != water
Adlai: oh, not some official infographic thingy
asciilifeform: just crapped it out
asciilifeform: 'official' ?!?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm going to put in on qntra. List the steps under it, as list you as the author so you get the shares for the text.
asciilifeform: whatever.
mircea_popescu: why is it
mircea_popescu: 'waterall"
Adlai: it almost looked like a satire of some hypothetical nice tidy explanation of how ether flows about or whoknowswhattardation
thestringpuller: buterin's water cycle?
asciilifeform: fuck.
asciilifeform: 1sec
mircea_popescu: you orgot how to f ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm only doing this because you said who ever wants can use. Will then be used to put you on the cunt raw
BingoBoingo: In other news picked up a new sharp object today for pencil sharpening and protecting the starfish against less than state level malefactors.
Adlai: and there i was, reading it as "squinter"
asciilifeform: phixed.
asciilifeform: reload.
asciilifeform: lol, how many qntra 'words' does this score?
asciilifeform puts ancient 'wacom' away for another year or two.
asciilifeform not specialist.
asciilifeform: fecal << if somebody wants to do a similar job involving a 'nitrogen fixation cycle' graphic, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: just make the water brown
mircea_popescu: ;;google until the water turns brown zappa
gribble: Let's Make the Water Turn Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_Make_the_Water_Turn_Black>; Inventionis Mater - Wait 'till the fire turns green! (Frank Zappa) - Live ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-LYJSAMWTg>; Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsF_QkMCpQ>
asciilifeform: whither shitfalls in nature?
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsF_QkMCpQ <
assbot: Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube
asciilifeform: 'Let's Make the Water Turn Black' << see also the infamous operetta, 'urinetown.'
asciilifeform: actually, it's rather relevant.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: neato.
BingoBoingo: cazalla does the wordcounting
BingoBoingo: I'm just supposed to keep his brain from breaking
asciilifeform: 'USG. (Bitstamp and Coinbase)' << might wanna fix
asciilifeform: those were dropped in simply as examples
asciilifeform: likewise, 'at the bottom' - on SR, SR2, idiot chumps' machines, etc
BingoBoingo: k
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: revised, reload
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: asciilifeform: you raise a good point about the h1b whining. the real problem is: how do 'tech' companies manage to profitably 'employ' legions of unskilled workers tasked with doing nothing of use?
asciilifeform: decimation: the original point was 'human compilers.'
asciilifeform: decimation: turns out, these don't work all that well.
asciilifeform: any software project with more than a handful of people - is inevitable crud. but this is a 'hatefact.'
BingoBoingo: Human compilers might have had a brighter future is 68k stayed a thing
asciilifeform: no.
BingoBoingo: Secret is you keep max RAM at 4MB
decimation: yeah, mythical man month and all that
asciilifeform: the seeds of rot are in any deviation from 'fits in head.'
asciilifeform: whether on present-day 64GB monster or pdp-10.
PeterL: speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here.
asciilifeform: (see 'multics')
BingoBoingo: Well, data being manipulated has to go somewhere so...
decimation: this strongly argues for 'modular' design
asciilifeform: except that we haven't actually invented modularizable software yet.
asciilifeform: !s bedrock
assbot: 20 results for 'bedrock' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bedrock
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here. << This was the case when I TA'd pharm school. No AMericans apparently want to study/teach med chem
PeterL: Don't get me wrong, the group still has plenty of smart Americans as well
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: employers don't want to feed the mortgage, etc. bezzlatron. and this is perfectly logical.
decimation: PeterL: no doubt there are bright foreigners working in the us. I would suggest that they are here despite the existing immigration policy, not because of it
BingoBoingo: Right. The Usian profs, were profs part time and clinical pharmacists full time
PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan
PeterL: decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here
BingoBoingo: PeterL> decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here << Grandpa pays the same $80/month for medicare part B
decimation: BingoBoingo: you hit the nail on the head. 'health insurance' is basically 'health welfare' now
PeterL: my opinion is that the us should loosen the borders and let more people in
PeterL: but I might be a bit biased, all my girlfriends before I was 20 were immigrants
decimation: PeterL: would you also allow each one to collect health welfare too?
BingoBoingo: Why not?
asciilifeform: this is already happening. no need to advocate for it.
decimation: Sure, let's print up some more bezzle, why not
PeterL: decimation no, I would get the government out of the healthcare business, but I am resigned that will never happen
danielpbarron: do away with immigration restrictions as well as welfare programs
BingoBoingo: The US immingration issue is best understood when you consider that most prospective immigrants come to flee more restrictive and more socialistoid states (e.g. India, China)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.'
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
danielpbarron: or a sign that reads, "hang the fire starters"
BingoBoingo remembers now why he tries to limit his sharp object purchases. Imma have to sand and refinish this desk soon...
BingoBoingo: And waiting seems to be the only solution to get my arm hair back
decimation: look, if usg got out of the money manipulation game, hard money came back, and folks had to get by on their own achievements, immigration wouldn't be an issue
asciilifeform: if fire got out of the burning houses business...
decimation: hehe yeah exactly, about as likely
asciilifeform: stayed in furnace where it belongs, etc
PeterL: we could switch to building houses out of non-flamable materials?
asciilifeform: 'achievements' lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: instead we have the 'fire brigade' who show up with a tank full of kerosene
asciilifeform: usa has been running on batteries since when? wilson?
decimation: yeah at least then, if not earlier
asciilifeform: with a few embers of burning europe down helping stay warm
decimation: maybe teddy
danielpbarron: PeterL, satoshi built that
PeterL: just fill your house with argon and live inside a spacesuit!
PeterL: (credit to MP's post)
decimation: at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america'
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: decimation: this is only partly due to bezzle. it is also because in usa, 'they don't piss in elevators like back home.'
BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: every elevator pisser on the planet dreams of meeting a virginal elevator.
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BingoBoingo: !b 2
PeterL: asciilifeform: my sister, lives in NYC, complains about the homeless bums who piss on the sidewalk
asciilifeform: there's plenty of delicious meat left on the bones of the gigantic dead dragon that was usa.
asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals...
decimation: heh I think usg still pays for highly-enriched uranium from soviet bombs
asciilifeform: corpse doesn't get asked what kind of worms shall eat.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is a good point. usg is ineffective at enforcing whatever 'immigration policy' it creates anyway, that's a sideshow
decimation: worms come when they come, eat what they will
asciilifeform: the only reason they even bother with visa bureaucracy is that a whole class of pestilential 'helpers' feeds off it.
decimation: and on the other side it's used as a club to keep the paupers in their servitude
asciilifeform: also a bludgeon for those who fall out of favour (employers, that is)
asciilifeform: they get 'cracked down'
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: I'm dubious that there is much real coordination of these things, more just random entropy in various usg departments
asciilifeform: no need for real coordination, just mildly guided inertia.
asciilifeform is aware of the threadbare physical metaphor here
decimation: yeah, if anything usg agents will do what the movies, newspapers, and tv tells them they should
BingoBoingo: http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/901
assbot: Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/901
decimation: re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheaper
BingoBoingo: <decimation> re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheap << I suppose radon because heavy
decimation: yeah the most expensive part in any case is going to be air sealing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rc4 still used somewhere? lol
asciilifeform: transformer oil is probably cheapest.
BingoBoingo: It appears, BUT THEY HAD A "PROOF"
asciilifeform: afaik someone is using just this.
PeterL: you want something that will absorb heat, thus the cfc
PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat
decimation: asciilifeform: what about flourinert?
BingoBoingo: Radon is cheap if you move to Iowa
asciilifeform: decimation: costs like fine whiskey
decimation: heh I know
asciilifeform: dear glub, everyone, cfc does not 'absorb' heat. mechanical refrigeration works on ideal gas law / inverted carnot cycle.
asciilifeform: am i the only one who stayed awake in first grade?
decimation: PeterL: I would suppose that the first step would be to use a fluid heat exchange cooling system
asciilifeform: circulate the oil though whatever.
asciilifeform: it isn't like this was invented just today.
decimation: asciilifeform: pcbs!
PeterL: didn't cray supercomputers use liquid cooling?
asciilifeform: fluorinert.
asciilifeform: because infinite money.
decimation: yeah the best part was the flourinert waterfall
PeterL: some of my coworker were involved in a project making a transformer fluid replacement last year
PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire)
cazalla: scoopbot, you gonna get the scoop or what pal
asciilifeform: this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool.
asciilifeform: nothing to burn.
cazalla: qntra under ddos?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool. << plus side you can grow Tilapia further north
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/
PeterL: cazalla: it only checks every five mins
decimation: yeah ideally one would locate the whole operation somewhere near a heat sink
asciilifeform: in a heat sink.
BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Fast for me
decimation: http://energyandsustainability.fs.cornell.edu/util/cooling/production/lsc/
assbot: Lake Source Cooling Home
asciilifeform: 'vitrify' individual miners into glass balls.
asciilifeform: submerge.
asciilifeform: all comms - public key
asciilifeform: (private - on 'mother ship')
decimation: via hydrophone?
asciilifeform: via whatever. ideally, tethers.
asciilifeform: given the power requirement, tethers are probably a fact of life.
asciilifeform: tether should clamp inductively on outside of bulb, rather than penetrating.
decimation: yeah unless you have rtg's or something
asciilifeform: rtg is laughably wasteful.
decimation: indeed.
asciilifeform: (and i hope i don't have to explain the thermodynamic folly of trying to run waste heat through it)
asciilifeform: (didn't learn thermo in school? dig out a 1990s pc with 'peltier' cooler and connect a load to it instead of powering. then see how long until cpu melts.)
decimation: asciilifeform: laughably wasteful: http://www.tidalenergy.eu/scottish-tidal-energy.html
asciilifeform: tidal - a kind of poor man's hydro
asciilifeform: not really related
asciilifeform vaguely recalls a flight of fancy calculation of how much 'tidal plant' it would take to... yank the moon from orbit
decimation: no, but like all 'renewables' the energy is so widely distributed that it would require laughable physical plant
asciilifeform: at any rate, so long as each 'hedgehog' ball contains one chip, the surface-to-volume ratio is favourable
asciilifeform: and surrounding water, with its convection currents, is sufficient cooling.
decimation: neptune's data center
asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments.
asciilifeform: and about the same shape.
decimation: you could deploy them in strings off a buoy
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: like towed hydrophone arrays on nuke subs.
PeterL: is this the NSA project after Cardano?
kakobrekla: cooking the fish, one hash at a time.
asciilifeform: (discussed at various points here as a handy cooling, power, and security solution.)
asciilifeform has no truck with mining and doesn't wish to
decimation: but you certainly do have truck with submarines!
asciilifeform: paper submarines.
asciilifeform armchair admiral, armchair general
PeterL: How many bitcoins for an old nuclear sub?
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/06/us-australia-submarines-idUSKBN0IQ2DZ20141106
assbot: Australian government under pressure to hold submarine tender after eyeing Japan deal| Reuters
decimation: "Buying the vessels from Japan could threaten Abbott's hold on power at the next election, said Martin Hamilton-Smith, the defense and trade minister for the state of South Australia, which is home to 27,000 defense-related jobs including 3,000 in shipbuilding."
Adlai: any thoughts on making python a more tolerable interactive dev env? currently slogging through http://www.emacswiki.org/PythonProgrammingInEmacs and http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/05/09/emacs-as-a-powerful-python-ide/ in search of hidden wisdom...
assbot: EmacsWiki: Python Programming In Emacs
assbot: EnigmaCurry
decimation: Adlai: I use 'jedi' http://tkf.github.io/emacs-jedi/latest/
assbot: Jedi.el - Python auto-completion for Emacs — Emacs Jedi 0.2.0alpha2 documentation
decimation: but it's kind of a turd to be honest
decimation: it does let you 'jump to definition', auto-complete, etc.
Adlai: anything.el is a turd
Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21910 @ 0.00068666 = 15.0447 BTC [-]
Adlai: well that [pump] descelated quickly
decimation: PeterL: I think nuke subs are generally unobtainable, but diesel-electric ~$100 million depending on what you are getting
decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00068582 = 9.8758 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall << sp4m4tr0n1c
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Ah
decimation: lol ascii on reddit
asciilifeform was there back when it was readable
asciilifeform: see user box.
Adlai .oO( Bitcoin is actually VERY lispy... the entire blockchain is code-as-data )
Adlai: decimation: i'd think that if you have that kind of money, you wouldn't be buying an entire sub anyways
decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872
decimation: Adlai: well, certainly not for your own use
Adlai: blueprint components are as fungible as the money used to commission them
mircea_popescu: PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan <<< terrorist doesn't understand how obamacare works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.' << he has a point. do away with borders and welfare. the latter will occur naturally once the first is done.
mircea_popescu: if the fiat state loses its alleged right to control geography, it loses.
decimation: the fiat state's bona fides in this matter are not exactly well established (controlling geography)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch? <<< nope, you have it exactly right. same thing, except one is run by fraudulent "real estate" developers and the other by fraudulent "recruiters".
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: decimation "you are guilty of having crossed an imaginary line in a particular manner"
mircea_popescu: 3/4 of all us prison population.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals... << soviet military complex was objectively larger than us ever got tho. cheap plentiful raw materials.
mircea_popescu: the us military principally consists of paper.
decimation: well, it's one thing to have laws (silly or not), and it's another to lack the ability (or will) to enforce them
mircea_popescu: PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat << gases are shit for sheer caloric capacity anyway. the reason you want technologica gases rather than plain argon is the compress-and-cool heat extraction process. works better on the hfcs than on random neon w/e.
mircea_popescu: oh nm, asciilifeform said teh same.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire) << story of this business since its inception.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/ << cazalla would be worth investigating if the 1m was actually paid or merely fraudulently announced.
assbot: Coin.org Sold For US $75,000 To Digital BTC | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: lots of these domain "deals" are simple collusion, as it's in both parties interest to announce a high price.
cazalla: yeah, i'm aware of how it goes, i buy from you for $750, we both say it was $75,000
cazalla: the $1,000,000 is difficult to know given everything out of gawminer guy's mouth is bullshit
mircea_popescu: myeah.
cazalla: making it easier to sucker the next buyer in to pay x amount
mircea_popescu: at least hopefully.
mircea_popescu: what it really does is give a good angle for fraudster employees to defraud companies with diffuse investors situations.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to prosecute asshole ceo who colluded with asshole "expert" to buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it and left the company to burn.
thestringpuller: is that bitcoin gem thing still a thing?
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com psychology of bag holder
gribble: No matches found.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com psychology of bagholder
gribble: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/03>; 3 ani experienta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/3-ani-experienta/>
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller never going away
thestringpuller: kinda of a joke on everyone really
thestringpuller: like musical chairs in elementary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00068692 = 31.4609 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: http://bitcoingem.net/history << remember when this shit would get up to like 20 - 30 btc?
mircea_popescu: 2013.
thestringpuller: i guess people got sick of being the "gemholder"
asciilifeform: buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it << incidentally, the ancient 'secret' of 'ebay'
asciilifeform: game consoles 'sold' for $5000, etc.
asciilifeform: (not collectible curios, either. ordinary junk.)
asciilifeform: it's entirely routine.
asciilifeform: likely, no 'xbox' and no actual buyer. just a sp4mz0r washing his stolen cc #s.
asciilifeform: with the enthusiastic cooperation of 'paypal' et al.
asciilifeform: so long as 'ebay' gets its x%
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: at some point ebay revenue was 40% that
mircea_popescu: then it stopped reporting.
mircea_popescu: many, many years ago in a galaxy far far away
mircea_popescu: heck, by now they even have automated "ecommerce sites" making software.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, coin.org should be confirmable once digital btc submit their next quarterly to the asx
asciilifeform: bezzlatron is fractally bezzlic.
asciilifeform: at any level of magnification.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the hunt for 'who pays' in cc fraud may be a unicorn hunt.
asciilifeform: it may very well be the case that, in the bulk of it, gram for gram, the answer is: printing press.
thestringpuller: i thought it was the insurance companies
asciilifeform: financial memory leak.
asciilifeform: possibly even disguised as ordinary memory leaks.
asciilifeform: so what if yesterday there was a penny and today - two.
asciilifeform: the man on the street is gagged with 'shuddup plebe, where's the hyperinflation, nowhere'
asciilifeform: but, as various people proved to the satisfaction of any but the thickest case of maliciously ignorant - it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> financial memory leak. << pretty much.
mircea_popescu: which is why the economy can't really function "on its own"
asciilifeform: from the food replaced with synthetic garbage, to the car which costs a few years of avg. pay (hello ussr 1950) to... whatever.
mircea_popescu: all the tea partiers and so forth keep going on about how "capitalism works by itself". sure, so do computers.
mircea_popescu: except if your os has a huge memory leak baked right in. then they don't.
asciilifeform: we even have the financial equivalent of 'ramdoubler'
mircea_popescu: uyp.
asciilifeform: (idiot fuffle that fudged numbers)
mircea_popescu: so you know, the "small government ; work within the system ; we can fix things" people are nice and quaint and no doubt mean well
mircea_popescu: but they don't exactly understand enough to know where their shoes go.
asciilifeform: if given an 'alternative' that's slightly more attractive than drooling despair and starvation, they'll bite.
mircea_popescu: the alternative is start beating your children.
mircea_popescu: they won't bite, because screams.
asciilifeform: precisely because the alternative is for their children, if for anyone
asciilifeform: for them - biodiesel.
asciilifeform: who goes willingly to the fermenter?
mircea_popescu: im having like the best banana-chocolate cake
mircea_popescu: the secret to great cake ? don't oversugar.
asciilifeform: also to have the cake.
mircea_popescu: i am blessed in that i can just order cake into being.
asciilifeform fails as a reddit sp4mz0r
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments. <<< god help you after the first storm,
mircea_popescu: untying the novel mess.
asciilifeform: what storm at the bottom.
asciilifeform: no reason these need to float.
mircea_popescu: what do you think lakes are.
asciilifeform: let'em dig into the silt.
asciilifeform: or submerge in indoor delphinarium
asciilifeform: (pirannarium?)
mircea_popescu: silt insulates.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon <<< i've yet to see this in practice.
asciilifeform: rakefisk!
mircea_popescu: decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one << you gotta be kidding me. an aircraft carrier is like 5bn. and i mean a large 100k tdw one, not the shitty 50k uk has.
cazalla: so blake's friend died prior to him taking over SR 2.0, maybe it was his YOLO moment
mircea_popescu: decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872 <<< not that exceptional.
asciilifeform: 5bn in bezzlatron. use soviet figures (converting to modern 'weights and measures' is a separate voodoo) for a bit closer to reality.
mircea_popescu: yes, when #b-a makes it it'll no doubt be a few k's in btc.
asciilifeform: it would not even be too fantastic to say, that nothing in fact costs 5bn
asciilifeform: because that amount of actual money, in one place, would collapse into a cosmic singularity
mircea_popescu: you COULD make a spaceship that easily exceeded that.
asciilifeform: remains to be seen, if could
asciilifeform: for above reason.
mircea_popescu: in fact, you could make a large enough pile of steel cost 10
asciilifeform: 'if all the elephants in the world were dropped in one pile, the whales - in another...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform standard steel plate is like 1k per ton.
asciilifeform: what did spain buy for maxint Au.
asciilifeform: a black hole to vanish into.
mircea_popescu: a one mile by one mile steel plate pyramid about 100 meters tall will get you there.
asciilifeform: what did usa buy for an, if anything, greater pile of looted Au?
asciilifeform: (from the entire planet!)
asciilifeform: where's the steel pyramid?
mircea_popescu: actually the chinese wall was prolly in the 10bn range ppp wise.
asciilifeform: ah, but trick is - not all at once.
asciilifeform: might as well tally up all of rome, etc
mircea_popescu: it is still one thing.
asciilifeform: clever optical trick.
mircea_popescu: neither is yourr meal "all at once"
mircea_popescu: the last simultaneous events happened like what, 100 trn years ago ?
asciilifeform: lol
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/#comment-109665
assbot: Fatlogic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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asciilifeform: 'Mathematics uses induction—the idea that if 1 + 1 is 2 then 2 + 1 must be 3, and so on up to an arbitrarily large quantity. In the real world, if you are counting acorns, then 1 + 1 acorns is not the same as 1,000,000 + 1 acorns—not if there are squirrels running around, which there will be once they find out that you are the one who's been stealing their acorns. A million acorns is just too many for you t
asciilifeform: o keep track of, and your concerted effort to keep adding one more to the pile while fighting off squirrels may cause small children to start calling you silly names. The bigger the pile grows, the more likely you are to have to take inventory, and in the process you are increasingly likely to make a mistake, so that it turns out that 1,000,000 + 1 is in fact 1,000,001 - δ, where δ is the number of acorns you
asciilifeform: have lost track of, somehow. Once δ > 0, you have achieved diminishing returns, and once δ > 1, you have achieved negative returns.'
asciilifeform: -- obligatory, mr. o.
asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/04/collapse-competitively.html )
assbot: ClubOrlov: Collapse Competitively
mircea_popescu: so i suppose "in the real world" pluricellular organisms don't exist.
mircea_popescu: or w/e.
asciilifeform: ^ his attempt to address the question of gravitational collapse of maxint gold
mircea_popescu: very dirty thinker this guy. keeps mixing things that live on different deductive levels.
asciilifeform: hasty.
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: hasty and prone to leaps of wish.
mircea_popescu: see, dirty thinker. i mean the squirels are a much ulterior consideration to thinking.
asciilifeform: but, suffering from some of the same intellectual vices, i find him entertaining
mircea_popescu: to counting*
mircea_popescu: they have very different degrees of liberty. can't freely interface them like this.
asciilifeform does not disagree, in fact fumed indignantly when first read that piece
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mircea_popescu: take my earlier piece re cooling. i in fact had counted fucking gas molecules, in the untold zilions.
mircea_popescu: because that's what mols are.
mircea_popescu: what squirrel steals hcf ?
asciilifeform: the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-
mircea_popescu: why, anyway ?
asciilifeform: idk.
asciilifeform: ask him.
mircea_popescu: thought maybe you had a theory, along with the key.
asciilifeform: as i gather, he sees bezzlamatics as baked into, fuck knows, aristotle onwards.
asciilifeform: the whole edifice.
mircea_popescu: best i can see he's the luddite sort of socialist, believes technology empowers intelligence to manifest as difference
mircea_popescu: no technology, all equal, utopia realised.
asciilifeform: too clever a man for utopiawank
mircea_popescu: but ianae
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.
mircea_popescu: clever, dirty thinker is pretty much how you say "utopian"
asciilifeform: imho he just imagines preferring to be buggered raw by 'nature' than molested however gently by... tech-augmented molesters.
asciilifeform: there is something in him of the 'freedom-loving sp4mz0rz'
asciilifeform: (back to the titanic pile of acorns, it did - if only by accident - make a useful point: sufficiently concentrated pile of $goodies is a 'target-rich environment')
mircea_popescu: depends.
mircea_popescu: for instance : refine sugar, store it as such. about as inert as basalt, provided it never gets wet.
mircea_popescu: and even if it does...
asciilifeform: aha, and egyptian honey, sure.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, shit ? richest environment.
asciilifeform relaxes analogy a bit, lest it stretch so taught that it snap.
mircea_popescu: nature works more on a "one man's garbage" principle.
mircea_popescu: the interfaces, wounds, muddy waters, everywhere there's a border is where things happen.
mircea_popescu: piles of goodies... w/e.
asciilifeform: border - yes.
asciilifeform: in the past season i got to watch precisely how deer work.
mircea_popescu: right ?
asciilifeform: a road was cut through forest, and pestilential explosion of deer
mircea_popescu: being a hunter is a great boon to wisdom.
asciilifeform: who feed on the brush at the border.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: after all, a whale is a huge pile of goodies.
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
asciilifeform: doesn't help that no one hunts the beasts here (densely populated, shoot one deer and bag three random bozos)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cut worm in half.
mircea_popescu: fucking things you didn't even know existed come out of places you didn't even know existed to check it out.
asciilifeform: (point re: deer was that habitat creation, rather than destruction - as envirowhiners normally focus on - is a thing)
asciilifeform one day will visit parts of the world where one can actually hunt deer
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
asciilifeform says, goodnight
Vexual: a tender kangaroo cut beats any venison
mircea_popescu: holy shit grep -e "\\\\[[:alpha:]]\\\\" srsly ?
mircea_popescu: why not more slashing!
cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-07/pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-leaves-australia-amid-outrage/5874604
assbot: Julien Blanc, self-described pick-up artist who promotes choking women, has visa cancelled and leaves Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
cazalla: Mr Blanc, from US-based group Real Social Dynamics, was forced to hold his event on a boat on Melbourne's Yarra River last night. <<< poor guy :\
mircea_popescu: "This guy wasn't pushing forward political ideas, he was putting a view that was derogatory to women and that's just something that our values abhor in this country," he said.
mircea_popescu: shit, your values are an agent now over there ?
mircea_popescu: what do your values think about chocolate fudge ?
mircea_popescu: lol derp goes around randomly strangling strangers as a pickup method ? jesus these idiots.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck all this song and dance about "our values abhor" and "degrading misoginistic" blablabla baclava. what's wrong with the obivious "this is a fucktarded kid, broken in the head to the degree he imagines strangling strangers is an adequate substitute for his absent social skills, we don't want him here, and ideally he should be undergoing a special needs program somewhere."
mircea_popescu: everything gotta be repackaged in the libertardism du jour, because a worthless tool is perhaps going to be less visibly worthless if it's nominally used to solve all problems.
Vexual: wheres george negus when you need him?
cazalla: you already told me where Vexual
Vexual: well, I also liken you to him a lot
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mircea_popescu: who's this ?
Vexual: long running australian journalist
Vexual: see him down the pub occasionally
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16419 @ 0.00068869 = 11.3076 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/07/internet_un_security_council_net_mundial_initiative/ -- ICANN, the bitcoin foundation of the internet
assbot: ICANN creates 'UN Security Council for the internet', installs itself as a permanent member • The Register
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "If there is a cybersecurity issue, or someone who has figured out how to protect children through a browser," then they can use the platform to connect with others as well as crowdsource and fund their efforts, ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé enthused.
mircea_popescu: yeah, this sounds reallllly important.
punkman: gotta use that ICANN money from all the new domains
mircea_popescu: how to protect chitlins through a browser.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the bitcoin foundation actually is ahead of the icann internet foundation.
mircea_popescu: "They announced that a further twenty members will be chosen (seemingly by the organizers) according to geographic region and different sectors, split equally between: academia; civil society; governments; and business." << lawl.
mircea_popescu: so, 3:1 bezzle ? except that 1 will prolly be just as bezzletronic ? what is this, lenin's wet dream or something ?
punkman: "Everything will be done bottom-up, this is the mother of all bottom-up processes," < who's bottom is getting buggered?
punkman: btw how much BTC does the twobitfoundation have these days?
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking lulzy how full of fail that thing is srsly. almost 100% copy of vessennes' scam "foundation". won't say how much money it spent, masquerades as "open", astroturfing to the hilt, the works
mircea_popescu: then people are all "o noes, what do you mean same script means same govt agency"
mircea_popescu: punkman it won't say.
punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/05/un_takeover_of_internet_postponed_indefinitely/
assbot: UN takeover of internet postponed indefinitely • The Register
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32860 @ 0.00068392 = 22.4736 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: re: deed errors, guess I should make it say "3rd deed invalid" instead
punkman: congrats on biggest bundle yet!
mircea_popescu: would help yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it took special chars and other issues (\n\n separated deeds) like a champ
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)
mircea_popescu: seems mike_c prediction is spot on
Naphex: "Robocoin Now Requires All ATM Operators to Collect Customer Information"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: aaaand if they don't ?
mircea_popescu: "The Fort Knox of Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Your Bitcoin is secured by next generation security practices. You are your money: palm-vein biometrics keep money in the palm of your hand, while protecting your account against theft and identity fraud."
mircea_popescu: "From the company that invented the Bitcoin ATM"
cazalla: need one of those terminator 2 atm hacker devices for robocoins
mircea_popescu: these dudes lmao.
Naphex: what if someone steals your hand ?:))
mircea_popescu: such neobee company, such neobee fate.
mircea_popescu: and they tweet on their own (and mostly ignored) twitter account a link to... coindesk, and via@coindesk.
mircea_popescu: this is the day, when a pretend-company cites as source of its own fucking moves the official usg news outlet.
mircea_popescu: can you guise be anymoar fucking desperate, srsly now ?
mircea_popescu: it's not going to survive anyway, that coindesk thing.
punkman: "Each successive Silk Road is headed by a DPR with increasingly poor opsec, like they're reverse-learning from their predecessors' mistakes"
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: "first time bali?"
Vexual: now ben10 might recoil at that question, but it's invariablt the firs one of every scammor everywhere
Vexual: and your answer should be no
Vexual: but life is a twoway street, and you can give any reponse you like
punkman: they can smell it anyway
Vexual: tru dat
punkman: https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/530498865741709312
assbot: GE is the only remaining member of the original Dow Jones Industrial Average launched in 1896: http://t.co/KLHZHqQ46w http://t.co/oo6J9GAgkD
Vexual: you'll talk for a bit, get a smile, and if your a dickhead, youll hear " you want trouble"
Vexual: this means you have failed at negotiations
punkman: how do you win?
Vexual: you don't, it's already been decided
cazalla: anyone ever heard of Bitstars.net, Betchain.com, Bitcoinpenguin.com and PrincessStar.com ?
punkman: cazalla: doesn't ring a bell
Vexual: everything in your sock and cutting wild at a heavy metal show wil secure your life
cazalla: ah dw, they look like skins from the same operator
Vexual: ive heard of bitstars
mircea_popescu: punkman o.O what did this one do ?
punkman: which one?
mircea_popescu: DPR with increasingly poor opsec
Vexual: lol defcon -10
punkman: it's on qntra :P
mircea_popescu: ah i've not gone through the complaint.
Vexual: theres a book on opsec kids
cazalla: his missus isn't that bad though she had a big emo about cheating so maybe he had a few others https://www.facebook.com/Stephaniemckaykay
Vexual: steady on
Vexual: whats this latest patsys name?
cazalla: chcked his dads and so on facebook, none of em have commented yet or locked shit down
punkman: "Silk Road 2.0 initially was owned and operated by another individual (hereinafter referred to as “DPR2”), BLAKE BENTHALL, a/k/a “Defcon,” the defendant, who had been acting as second-in—command to DPR2"
punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0
punkman: they are just phoning it in at this point
Vexual: san fran again
Vexual: other drug markeys got busted too ?
cazalla: yeah apparently, doubt they do any vol though so who gives a fuck
Vexual: it's interesting
cazalla: yeah but i've never heard of em, not into drugs so i'd have to spend half the day finding out about these small sites and then they're shut down now anyway so difficult to verify
Vexual: that other news outlet reported sr2 getting a big dos a few weeks ago
punkman: cazalla, saw an article about some tor search engine that had a big list
cazalla: if i was a small time operator and wanted to steal some coins, maybe i'd copy/pasta the silkroad 2.0 shut down images and claim i too got shut down and knick whatever coins were on the site
cazalla: punkman, sounds familiar
Vexual: i signed up to sr 1.0 just to look
punkman: cazalla: well if you ever wanna write about the topic, here it is http://www.deepdotweb.com/grams-search-darknet-marketplaces/
assbot: Grams: Search The DarkNet Marketplaces! - Deep Dot Web
cazalla: punkman, ty
cazalla: !up Vexual
cazalla: anyway, gotta do that weekly skype with the grandparents lol bbl
Vexual: punk, what are you working on?
punkman: some stupid shit and some stupid leads
Vexual: case of beer?
punkman: more like OJ and a banana
Vexual: i just hadmy frist mango for the year
Vexual: its a thing
punkman: don't think I've ever had a good mango
Vexual: omfg
punkman: and the fucking bananas are local but they gotta cut them green, fucktards
Vexual: bananas are a cunt
punkman: there's guy that does papayas too
punkman: but I got there too late
Vexual: now you're talking
punkman: you ever try the papaya seeds?
Vexual: you ever had that thai green ppapaya salad?
Vexual: no ive never eaten the seed
punkman: they are spicy, can put them in things
Vexual: i like dried
Vexual: dicotomous nad shit
Vexual: get a mango in ya
Vexual: ill send you a case
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/irish-man-caught-up-in-operation-onymous-alleged-to-own-us-2-3m-in-bitcoin/
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/trendon-shavers-aka-pirateat40-faces-criminal-fraud-charges/
cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out?
BingoBoingo: Maybe a short little blurb, sentence or two and a link to the announcement?
cazalla: i mean in regards to using it or not
BingoBoingo: Ah, well... does it fix anything?
jurov: I suggest to use this excerpt from the gpg announcement: "Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz."
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what i read as a fix is just as likely to be now broken and vice versa, so i would prefer to defer to those smarter in here, i'm sure someone will discuss the addition of elliptic curve keys at some point
BingoBoingo: Ah
bounce: that's his signature, not really part of the announcement.
bounce: though you can probably use it. ISTR he's been using it for a long time
jurov: !up Vexual
jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung!
Vexual: that slovakistanese is hard to read
Vexual: will you translate for us?
jurov: good watching of blinkenlichten!
Vexual: blinking lights?
jurov: youtube, in other words
Vexual: vexbachtung?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKvA3AN3ApY if i die you can laugh
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jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/ < asciilifeform this is the right subreddit
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez : Buttcoin
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xanthyos
punkman: http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/news-features/takedownjulienblanc-julien-blanc-leaves-australia-with-his-tail-between-his-legs-20141107-3juiy.html
assbot: #TakeDownJulienBlanc: Julien Blanc leaves Australia with his tail between his legs
kakobrekla: that explains the 'go home white pig'
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RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/11/07/bitcoin-gavin-andresen-dublin-web-summit/18636161/
assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin'
Azelphur: he wants to be Bitcoin CEO instead
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/odds-and-ends.html << mr. o explains why he didn't stick with ipa.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Odds and ends
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mircea_popescu: gooood mornin!
mircea_popescu: cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << gotta love how after a peak it does fall, but not quite back to where it was.
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
kakobrekla: peak is gauss
kakobrekla rain
mircea_popescu: punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth".
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun get it ?
kakobrekla: idk, latecomers ?
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: sheeeit look at all the smart trilema commenters.
mircea_popescu: brb
kakobrekla: like bitcoin, after peak it doesnt go straight to 0. takes at at least 2 weeks.
mircea_popescu: are you a hater ?
mircea_popescu: there's no place in our cult for haters!11
mircea_popescu: ;;seen organofcorti
gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 20 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/ << would you consider discvussing that article on your blog ?
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> are you a hater ? < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#911822 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2014 22:17:24; *: kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade
mircea_popescu: you should get a special hat.
bounce: a hate-hat? what colour is that?
kakobrekla: such hat? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01489/SNN1411UB1-532_1489679a.jpg
mircea_popescu: aahahahhaha
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: colors and everything. the rainbow umbrella hat.
kakobrekla: yeah idk why some still use umbrellas
kakobrekla: see ascii, umbrella hat unlike toilet sink.
mircea_popescu: rainbow is the color of hate anyway
mircea_popescu: because all the weird sex people use it.
bounce: such logic
kakobrekla: linear so some shit.
kakobrekla: or*
bounce: linear h
mircea_popescu: bounce you dare deride my such logic ?!
bounce: why yes, yes indeed.
mircea_popescu: repent before you get a hat of your own
mircea_popescu: sinners i swear
mircea_popescu: sinners and heretics everywhere
bounce already has a nice hat.
mircea_popescu: o ? pics!
bounce: you wish. no hat pr0n for you.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if one were a god, but i mean actual, honest-to-god god. wouldn't you expect he'd mostly want to hang out with assorted unbelievers, unrepentant sinners and firebrand heretics ?
mircea_popescu: i mean he's a god for crying out loud, what bs is this insecure egotism as depicted by teh jews. nonsense i say!
bounce refers to pterry
mircea_popescu: who's pterry ?
mircea_popescu: and i must say, i have never in my life seen public works like in argentina. so three days ago they announced they will fuck up the sidewalk before my building, and garage won't be accessible for two days. then two days ago they fucked it up, yesterday they were fixing it and today it's all fine, new pavement.
bounce: curious problem for universal there-is-only-one gods, though. gods with domains typically have some sort of job description. "care for fertility" "make the rains come", whatever. but a universal god? what's it got to do with it?
mircea_popescu: who the shit ever heard of this, it's like germany over here.
mircea_popescu: bounce last sentence it overload, pls to redo.
mircea_popescu: !up OneNomos
OneNomos: thanks, just lurking for now
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
bounce: seems like a bit of a job overload if you're god of bloody everything
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, economy of scale. same process involved in being a god anyway.
mircea_popescu: punkman: don't think I've ever had a good mango <<< ew, you're missing out.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out? <<< i use 1.4 branch. depends what you're after, but in general best practice is read the update notes see if anything you actualy want [then in the unlikely case that yes, patch your sources with just that and recompile].
mircea_popescu: not exactly trivial, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung! <<< bwahhaha top of the mornin' to you too.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin' <<< mmmmywah, that was really on the table lol.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i don't want to be a fat black woman.
mircea_popescu: somehow i forgot to mention this prior, sorry if it ruins anything guise.
RagnarDanneskjol: bummer
mircea_popescu: http://images.dailylife.com.au/2014/11/07/5962493/Protesters_TN-620x349.jpg <<< check it out, whale has friends!
mircea_popescu: almost like a real person.
chetty: I been hearing that term 'rape culture' a lot recnetly, what the hell is that?
mircea_popescu: well, normally society is organised around fucking.
mircea_popescu: however, a bunch of people have managed to paint themselves into a corner, by an unfortunate meeting of government welfare and libertard ideology.
mircea_popescu: they soon enough discovered that society doesn't care, so now this large headcount of overweight, middle aged women are trying to invent their own version of fucking that'll link them to actual society
mircea_popescu: "rape culture" it is, ie, they don't hang around with their friends talking about what it was like last night, like THOSE SLUTS
mircea_popescu: they hang around with their friends talking about how wrong it all is.
mircea_popescu: somehow the (other) elephant in the room (ie, "dogs wouldn't fuck you, if you paid them") is gingerly never mentioned.
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Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, don't even get me started on this topic, special snowflakes, special snowflakes everywhere.
Azelphur: kinda related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmbW4ueGdg and equally frustrating.
assbot: SJW vs John Carmack (Oculus Connect Keynote) - YouTube
asciilifeform: in ru net, there is actually a perversely reactive 'memecult' based on 'lookatme, i'm not a special snowflake at all!' - folks replacing their 'avatar pics' with little red squares with 'serial number'
asciilifeform: http://www.individualizmu.net/register.php
asciilifeform: 13+k of these and counting.
asciilifeform: (domain meaning, roughly, 'no to individualism!')
mircea_popescu: incidentally, 10-20 years ago the same people ( http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/238063/916229.png ) were trying a different tack ( http://www.happyboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/women-are-not-for-decoration.jpg )
mircea_popescu: in spite of all the "successes" (like getting deepthroat to lie and so on) it never went anywhere. for the obvious reason.
mircea_popescu: so now they've moved on from "porn activism", a soundly lost battle, to "rape culture" bs.
mircea_popescu: sort of like the ecologists, that made all the bruhaha in the 90s about how the world was going to end because ozone layer, and if "We" don't "do" what they say it';s gonna be bad etc
mircea_popescu: then we ignored them, the problem somehow magically went away, they're no longer mentioning it (and in no case are they mentioning it as what it was : here's our most resoundingly humiliating defeat to date)
mircea_popescu: just seamlessly moved into the global warming thing.
mircea_popescu: "the left always wins" in the sense that the left is dumb as rocks, and rocks always win, in the sense that nevermind.
chetty: unfortunately all these lost causes leave a trail of bodies behind when they move on
mircea_popescu: good.
mircea_popescu: take the body in this case : a whiny 25 yo beta masquerading as an "executive dating coach".
mircea_popescu: seriously, executive ? what's that mean, that he has license to fuck your girlfriend ?
asciilifeform often reads vintage soviet magazines, and was recently surprised to find mention of 'warmocalypse' in 'химия и жизнь' circa 1991.
mircea_popescu: bodies are the food of the earth.
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijLoiVkmYI
assbot: Amazon Echo (Early Beta Version) - YouTube
chetty: well this rape culture thing seems to mostly consist of lopped off balls, that is something I regret. Much better uses than fertilizer for such things
asciilifeform: lol saw that. yes, we all want net-connected phased microphones in our bedrooms, yes!
asciilifeform: can't wait.
Naphex: well it is for everyone :))
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you expect to target viagra ads ?
asciilifeform: ;;google fruity oaty bars
gribble: Fruity Oaty Bar! Commercial - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7idn3PcKBM>; Fruity Oaty Bars - The Firefly and Serenity Database - Joss Whedon: <http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Fruity_Oaty_Bars>; ThinkGeek :: Serenity Fruity Oaty Bar Girls Maquette Set: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1787/>
asciilifeform: 'not mandatory!!!'
mircea_popescu: the economy needs it, privet.
chetty: asciilifeform, http://rock.genius.com/Leonard-cohen-everybody-knows-lyrics#note-1731970
assbot: Leonard Cohen – Everybody Knows Lyrics | Genius
Naphex: 'so it can hear you anywhere?'
Naphex: 'well yes, but anyone can hear you anyway'
Naphex: from the official ad
asciilifeform wonders, re: mircea_popescu's mining thread: what fraction of an adult mining operation's nre cost is - bitcoind re-engineering...
Naphex: asciilifeform: prolly a few days to set up the infrastucture and 're-ingineer' the essentials in bitcoind
asciilifeform: a few days << lol
Naphex: you think it takes years?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly as naggum explains.
mircea_popescu: Naphex : asciilifeform has a much more fundamental approach to things. he's not really a business minded / cost oriented fellow.
asciilifeform: fundamentals << as things, presently stand, the most cost-effective 'mining' presently is... to pwn existing operators.
asciilifeform: whether this is happening presently, or has been for two years, or the trigger will be pulled for the first time tomorrow - only devil knows.
asciilifeform: dogs and fleas have been living together for quite some time, but afaik dogs never invented ddt. perhaps because not cost-effective.
mircea_popescu: it isn't cost effective for a dog, no.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: same reason bitcoin power rangers have not done anything useful since satoshi left
mircea_popescu: it actually isn't cost effective for them, just like shitting cow dung is not cost effective for you.
mircea_popescu: it's natural for a cow, but you're not one.
asciilifeform: see also evolution of flightless birds.
mircea_popescu: "I was able to validate my hypothesis that quite a few English-speakers lack phonological awareness and are not aware of the alphabetic principle. Many people have simply memorized some number of words, by sight and by sound. And since learning Unspell involves having the ability to analyze spoken English as a series of phonemes, people who have been taught to read English using the “look and say” method, which doe
mircea_popescu: s not attempt to draw any significant parallels between sight and sound, are at a loss."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with this approach being that literate readers do not actually read by letter anyway.
asciilifeform: as if there were anyone who did not know this.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you're going to read whole-word, his entire blabla does really not matter
asciilifeform: then straight to chinese hieroglyphs.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i mostly read by-sentence-structure, especially when skimming
asciilifeform: same
mircea_popescu: nah. not at all same as hieroglypgs.
asciilifeform: but the 1 yo kid - needs to cut the parts.
asciilifeform: and same for the foreign n00b
mircea_popescu: see, pictograms are not flexional. whereas setence-structure read stems automatically.
asciilifeform: quite a few folks seem to be rather attached to the 'built-in iq test' of english mechanics
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage
mircea_popescu: at least, judging by the types of errors that end up forcing me to re-read, vast majority of which indicate a mismatch in the 3rd stage.
asciilifeform: aha, i for one reread when 'brain compiler' spews 'syntax error'
mircea_popescu: well yes. but iof you count, the syntax error is almost always caused by an error collating the stems with the endings.
mircea_popescu: (i mean, cases where the text was correct, but your brain threw an exception)
mircea_popescu: so if this thing exists, then the process mus also exist.
chetty: learning initially with phonics lets a pérson breakdown a word they encounter that dont know regardless of their normal reading method. The look-say method people are stuck.
mircea_popescu: no they're not stuck lol. "what is this"
chetty: but they dont have any tools ....
mircea_popescu: the unrigurousness of natural language is fundamentally useful here. you can ask about this without being able to define this.
mircea_popescu: chetty they have a boyfriend or something.
mircea_popescu: father, whatever.
chetty: well yeah, but why limit the toolbox that way
mircea_popescu: i dispute this is a limit.
chetty: it means you got to go consult some 'authority' instead of using your own head ..
mircea_popescu: yes.
chetty: so are libtards born
ben_vulpes: !t h rent
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mircea_popescu: amusingly, when the "internet" from microsoft encounters a word aka domain name it doesn't know
mircea_popescu: it also doesn't consult its own head.
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mircea_popescu: i hold that libtards are born by using "own head" as a source to extract the unknown.
mircea_popescu: imagine what the web would be like if domain name resolution worked on a "what know domain is this new domain most like"
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html << obligatory re: 'own head'
assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive
chetty: nah, I grew up with 'sound it out', and 'look it up' always linked.
mircea_popescu: total obama ideal, nothing in there but nyt and wp
asciilifeform: what know domain is this new domain most like << 'google' and its now nearly-unusable 'text matching'
mircea_popescu: ayup.
asciilifeform: 'I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it is and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your o
asciilifeform: wn mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up from reality at great effort.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, because i realised this while sleeping re some convo a few days ago : "knowing what a word means" is, for the marginally illiterate "read-by-letter" type, a matter of memorizing definitions. this however is at best a sorry approximation of the real deal.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, knowing what a word means requires knowing its etymology, for all languages in which it appears, as well as a lengthy casebook of previous usage
mircea_popescu: both cultured and folkloric.
mircea_popescu: i would say the definition-tree for the average noun is megabytes long.
asciilifeform: does anyone actually disagree with above?
mircea_popescu: just stating for the record.
mircea_popescu: it occured to me this mayhaps is not obvious
mircea_popescu: wouldn't be, to tardpedia-fed youth.
asciilifeform shudders to imagine what else wouldn't
mircea_popescu: anyway, it would appear orlov for instance doesn't know it.
mircea_popescu: if he imagines saving a few bytes of notation can have any sort of measurable impact on the workload of culture.
asciilifeform thinks mr. o is preoccupied with anglo-demolition.
asciilifeform: something i can certainly sympathize with.
mircea_popescu: so what, trojan horse, trying to ruin their language ?
asciilifeform: not as such
asciilifeform: but ruin whatever advantage is to be gained from growing up with it - sure.
mircea_popescu: he has the chance of a snowball up satan's arse to do a better job than all the femiwhales running around using words for purposes.
chetty: newspeak is in full swing
chetty: the list of 'approved' words will be down to a few hundred in no time.
mircea_popescu: chetty well, rape's definitely making it.
mircea_popescu: (explanation of that joke, for the recent : fifty years ago, the way to say "we fucked" was to say "we made it")
asciilifeform: 'newspeaks' in any and all cases are plaything of the mandarin class.
asciilifeform: a kind of living exam, if you will.
asciilifeform: (a la the chinese imperial exams)
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asciilifeform sometimes visits coffee shops in wash.,d.c. area and amuses himself by reading front page of the local fishwraps and counting the schoolboy-level homonym and grammatic mistakes.
chetty: use a word not on the approved list and you will never get that job, obviously you are a dangerous 'thinker'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that bad eh ?
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'washington post'
asciilifeform: 'new york times'
mircea_popescu: you should see this place. they are "horribru racists", which somehow correlates (unexplainedly, really!) with their very serious take on newspapers. they have like, actual editorials, and stuff.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking for the us emigre.
asciilifeform: the 25 y.o. 'editors' are editing the 19 y.o. yesterday's redditors.
mircea_popescu: almost as if it were the 1970s.
asciilifeform still, as when first encountered it, parses word 'reddit' as 'red edit' - a kind of intellectual kolkhoz.
mircea_popescu: !s dating
assbot: 1681 results for 'dating' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dating
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2014#906633 << re argentine "racism"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-11-2014 23:55:45; mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gjyG2Wwk << ustardian goes on a "first date", blows it. because racism.
mircea_popescu: " Losing respect for people is the first step towardsthe criminally insane mind. Losing the ability to think of otherhuman beings as of one's own kind is the last, the idea that one isdifferent from others, an outsider to humanity. You have crossed thatcrucial line, probably a long time ago." <<< fwiw, naggum i trivially invalidated by example.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to be stuck in either of those two fixations that he proposes as fundamental, and somehow the sky is not falling upon the earth.
asciilifeform: naggum, imho, suffered from the crucial handicap of not growing up in the shark tank
mircea_popescu: in a more scholarly perspective : that "respect for others" argument is an exact reprise of the historical argument for "the respect for god". especially in the posited ill effects.
asciilifeform: and therefore able to sustain the illusion that most of the bipeds around are 'people' worth 'respect'
mircea_popescu: primitive religious minds all over europe firmly believed that unbelievers can not be decent, and will kill themselves or go on a rampage or something
mircea_popescu: notably, primitive minds in egypt had pretty much the same fiirm conviction last i visited.
mircea_popescu: yet... the sky is not kept up there by "respect", not of this, nor of that, nor of anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that may well explain it. lack of experience makes any fiction plausible to the noob mind.
mircea_popescu: the reason contemporary arabs still believed stuff abandoned as lulzy centuries ago in europe has everything to do with me being the first nonbeliever they ever met.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol way to go on a rant. clearly the quoted guy meant "people" as in groups. the implication that naggum isn't a person is not found inside the op's position.
mircea_popescu: did this fellow have a bunch of self-hate issues or something ?
asciilifeform: herr naggum was in the unfortunate position of inhabiting a very small space where idiots could not be routed around, but had to be actively hounded into exile
asciilifeform: picture if there were only 10 regulars here in #b-a, and one of them were ninjasp4mz0r
asciilifeform: and, for some odd reason, not everyone could agree to ignore
mircea_popescu: o, so not cultish enough ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: funny how that works.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth". << SR 1.0 parallel construction, SR 2.0 comedy of errors
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
mircea_popescu: "Without getting into too much detail, it is useful for capturing minute distinctions between accents and dialects; it is not useful for achieving a dialect-neutral representation of a language."
asciilifeform: thing is, just about anything can be parallelkonstrukted into a 'comedy of errors'
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is this even supposed to mean.
mircea_popescu: "can use spoon to eat soup but not paddle a small boat. because i am an idiot" wtf.
Naphex: or mebbe people just think too much of darkmarket operators
Naphex: people just throw shit on tor, and it bunks up
mircea_popescu: Naphex well the reddits wish to believe.
bounce: they all have posters?
mircea_popescu: if think about it : accepting the proposition that sr ops are dumb as rocks implies accepting the proposition that the shit will eventually be closed down.
mircea_popescu: they're addicts, they don't want to believe that.
asciilifeform: parallel construction is ridiculously easy, -especially- if the victim is in fact somewhat dull
bounce: which is most people
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. which is the angle that i stand behind here. usg is using the tor as it was designed to be used, meanwhile lies about how they got the data, and the people accused are too fucking stupid for that not to stick.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'sr2 had a usg mole.' 'no we didn't' 'ah, but mr envelope-licker was our mole' 'no he wasn't, we were best chums' 'he just swore in court that he was mole.' 'but he did it to get charges dropped against self' 'tough'
mircea_popescu: this is the basic work mode of this entire process anyway, it doesn't work too well outside of it.
Naphex: mp nails it
asciilifeform: he nailed it at the time of sr1 also.
Naphex: hey you gotta figure out as soon as lowlies seen SR1.0 drop, find a dork, put a website on that tor thingie
Naphex: then eventually comes the bust
asciilifeform: sr1 was, afaik, running heartbleeding tor.
mircea_popescu: if any of the young uns reading us silently is looking for a dragon to slay anbd be a hero : run a new silkroad as a reverse-honeypot.
asciilifeform: for some reason - 'no one' mentions this.
mircea_popescu: sell some pills while keeping track of exactly all the ways the usg gets the data, actually, then leak that.
Naphex bets its just mostly HUMINT
mircea_popescu: the usg sigint capacity is really very poor, in spite of large expenditure and publicity
mircea_popescu: so it's a safe bet.
punkman: they took down around 400 .onions btw
Naphex: what i'm thinking is that they just infiltrate comunities, and then start drilling down
Naphex: its safe bet to figure that most of the lowlies will be meeting each other
Naphex: and discussing plots
mircea_popescu: this is well documented sop.
asciilifeform: that's the official story.
Naphex: its probably right also
asciilifeform: right for all 400?!
bounce: AIUI it was usg HUMINT that was laughingly poor
Naphex: asciilifeform: hey, in the small town i live in, like 300k
mircea_popescu: bounce only compared to other agents, that do a much better job of it.
Naphex: they made 30 arrets + busts, for fraud
mircea_popescu: compared to its own efforts however...
Naphex: in the same day
bounce: the impression I got was that the SIGINT is quite good, but the inter-office communication not so much
mircea_popescu: bounce now what sense does that make ?
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the company went bankrupt not because it had no money, but because it kept not being able to move it from accounting to other offices.
bounce: it's a well-paying job for many little drones that produce all those intelligence reports that nobody gets around to reading
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is often heard and only heard in ponzi schemes
bounce: the money flows with gay abandon to the point there's a term for that: "military industrial complex"
mircea_popescu: money was a parallel for info here.
bounce: parallel construction! I knew it!
Naphex: and really lets be honest here, why are those markets so easy to take down ?
asciilifeform: the two purposes of parallel construction are the obvious one (disguise and preserve pwnage capability) but also to sow distrust and spymania among the opponents of usg.
mircea_popescu: haha
bounce: dunno how easy, bit low on details
asciilifeform: and keep them using pwnables, convinced that any defeat is through the work of stoolies in their midst.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think distrust is a negative ?
asciilifeform: distrust in the pathological sense, rather than the 'trust but verify' sense
asciilifeform: 'anyone could be a witch'
mircea_popescu: but this is like saying "it's bad to have oil in the ground, because idiots will drink it"
mircea_popescu: well... if they do they won't be so long for this world, getting in anyone's way, right ?
asciilifeform: let's try that again. what's usg's plan for criminal 'elements'? not extermination, in any sense. but to keep the relationship symbiotic rather than predatorial.
asciilifeform: sicilian mafia refused, iirc, to distribute counterfeit german usd during ww2.
asciilifeform: why?
mircea_popescu: germans were kind of an annoying bunch.
asciilifeform: they wouldn't play ball with ru either, afaik.
asciilifeform: also because annoying?
mircea_popescu: from what i heard from the remnants of people actually involved, dealing with the germans was more or less like dealing with a party that had done a bunch of drugs, sober.
mircea_popescu: a grating experience at best.
asciilifeform: or because the folks with brains understood that they're part of some ecosystem that, if enemy is victorious, is slated for demolition?
mircea_popescu: sicily was roughly equivalent to old dixie. rural, strong right sorts of people. the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad.
mircea_popescu: much like rhodesia, really.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: should be obvious why they didn't think much of the other rome
asciilifeform: afaik even schoolboys in usa know this.
mircea_popescu: (is this fiction still current, btw ? moscow as 3rd rome ?)
asciilifeform: this certainly wasn't part of the marketing literature, no
mircea_popescu: was a century or so ago.
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: (the people in question might have known of this)
asciilifeform: incidentally, the roles reversed:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/marsel.php
assbot: Ахилл Левинтон - Марсель
mats_cd03: 13:13:47 <+mircea_popescu> ... the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad. << interesting perspective, this
asciilifeform: 'Советская малина / Собралась на совет. / Советская малина / Врагу сказала: — Нет! / Мы сдали того суку / Войскам НКВД. / С тех пор его по тюрьмам / Я не встречал нигде.'
mats_cd03 scribbles notes
asciilifeform: approximately: 'the soviet den of thieves / to council it did go; / the soviet den-of-thieves / to enemy, said 'no!' / we turned that bitch right in / to the chaps at kgb / since then, at not one prison / i ever him did see! '
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 look into calogero vizzini, if you're curious
mircea_popescu: people were still naming their kids calogero after him when de niro was but a wee boy.
mircea_popescu: Там девочки танцуют голые << lol at least got priorities straight.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: "python", "anything.el" << perhaps i am an emacs hipster but i rely on Helm and Elpy.
Adlai: emacs hipster is best hipster
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re foundation and politics. what politics?
mircea_popescu reviews logs.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?
asciilifeform: !s letter to sultan
assbot: 1 results for 'letter to sultan' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=letter+to+sultan
mircea_popescu: aha ? what is the q ?
ben_vulpes: not really a question, more of its own statement
Adlai often gets called a politician by irl friends and is unsure whether to take this as a compliment or wut
ben_vulpes: "what politics? what politicians? the above cannot possibly affect bitcoin."
ben_vulpes: (stage 1.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html <<< i read a few dozen lines in that insane rant, then got bored, scrolled down past 4x as much material, ended up with the signature. sniper rifle ? srsly ? is this guy trolling ?
assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know. herr naggum was a shot, though. afaik it was one of his favourite pasttimes.
mircea_popescu: point being, after berating some random guy over 5k words for imaginary disrespects, calous sniping sig ? weird.
asciilifeform: it was his sig for ages
Adlai: mircea_popescu: poster from my greek history classroom: "It takes N muscles to smile // M[<N] muscles to frown // but 0 to just sit there with a dumb look on your face"
Adlai: s/</>/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same genre: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/vepohuvojn.php
assbot: В эпоху войн, в эпоху кризисов
Adlai: i'm not sure anybody knows exactly how much of the collected works of erik naggum is trolling and how much is genuine hatred for bullshit and idiocy, but i imagine most was the latter
asciilifeform: afaik his 'trolling' was specifically engineered to drive certain folks out of his turf
asciilifeform: see earlier discussion.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, bounce:
Adlai: damnit python, where's cl:change-class when you need it
asciilifeform: Adlai: why're you stuck with python, again ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, bounce: "gods" << mayer l brenner's dance of the gods series was very entertaining. i endorse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41343 @ 0.00060237 = 24.9038 BTC [+]
Adlai: asciilifeform: contract, so i can eat until the avenue ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052 ) opens up again☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
asciilifeform: trader? of what? salted fish?
gernika: mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage << Is "3rd stage" a reference to a formal description of the classes of reading ability that I can research elsewhere?
Adlai: asciilifeform: anything, really, although the resolution of the salty fishmarket is probably too low for scalpl to be much good
BingoBoingo: Fish market requires nose resolution. Kidney market could use scalpel though.
asciilifeform: scalpcoin!
asciilifeform: (see last year's thread.)
Adlai: !s scalpcoin
assbot: 0 results for 'scalpcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpcoin
Adlai: google has failed me, too, only brought up https://twitter.com/scalpcoin
assbot: I scalp coin (@scalpcoin) on Twitter
asciilifeform: may have involved skulls rather than scalps.
Adlai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=733916.0 ?
assbot: [ANN][SKULL] ☠ SkullCoin | in-Game Treasure Hunt | PoQ
Adlai: "Updates: We might switch over to dogeparty.io."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33346 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc.
asciilifeform: ^ possibly start of thread
bounce: ew. I think I'll prefer rai stones, thanks.
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33371 << a forex fellow in NYC recently put it best: "Any commodity or asset being used as a store of value will experience higher prices than its 'true value'... Bitcoin separates this into a separate asset, enabling better price discovery for the others"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:59:23; Chaaang-Noi: i find your guys reaction to gold and silver as a store of value very funny :)
asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the m
asciilifeform: arket capitalization of the entire present (and discounted future) monetary good.' (mr. mold)
Adlai: fwiw, if anybody in here is interested in geeking out a little on scalpl and trying it out for themselves (or just get a better idea for how well it works atm), i'd gladly do that in PM. i try to keep my horn-tooting to a minimum, although http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913050 is still going☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:17:32; *: Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software
Adlai: if i'm ever too spammy in repeating this, please tell me
asciilifeform: !s rape strategy
assbot: 3 results for 'rape strategy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rape+strategy
asciilifeform: you can't.
Adlai: wat
Adlai: oh, this. you're welcome to do this, it's open source after all :)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845230 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:16:22; asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless)
asciilifeform: if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win.
Adlai: interesting. seen a certain way, i'm a slow-bleeding rape of things like MACD crossover bots
asciilifeform: (see rest of that thread)
Adlai: liquidity providing = rape strategy against anything that uses large market orders
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845277https://github.com/adlai/scalpl#abstract☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:26:13; mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it.
assbot: adlai/scalpl · GitHub
Adlai: scalpl executes strategies which a separate component comes up with, in markets of that component's choice. whether that component runs on computers or brains is for that other component to decide.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5857 @ 0.00060237 = 3.5281 BTC [+]
Adlai: +asciilifeform | if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win. << each limit order Lᵢ is one of Nⱼ orders belonging to a single entity, say Pⱼ. Lᵢ are known, but unknowns include ⱼ, Nⱼ, and Lᵢ→Pⱼ
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways? << the sidewalk ?! no, city property in all new yorks.
mircea_popescu: <gernika> yes, but not sure if avail in english. 1st stage literacy = kids 6 to 10ish yo, read by reading letters and vocalizing ; 2nd stage, bacalaureat level, reads words whole. 3rd stage, fit for college, reads whole page diagonally.
mircea_popescu: otherwise my usage was ambiguous, the 2nd reference rto a "3rd stage" just means the 3rd step in the reading process being proposed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36605 @ 0.00060245 = 22.0527 BTC [+]
Adlai: so, just knowing that scalpl is managing some assets in a market doesn't reveal its AUM or strategy, neither the general strategy nor the specific one at the present moment... the smaller the AUM, the better you can hide within the invisible hand
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc. <<< shit that spelling.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: being an early adopter hath itth pritheth
mircea_popescu: Adlai herbi has some ideas on this topic. http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/
assbot: No argument pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, because orlovignorance is like the gift that keeps on giving : english is "not spelled like pronounced" for the exact any other natural language (including ones that believe quite delusionally that they are, like romanian) is not : this allows for a variety of disjunct speakers to at least use the same writing.
mircea_popescu: this was a crucial point in the early history of the various anglosaxon tribes
Adlai: mircea_popescu: tl;dr because i'm about to leave for a movie?
mircea_popescu: now, while utopia is nice and good, how does mr o plan to resolve this problem ? visit everyone's house and beat them into using the same rp ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai it'll wait.
asciilifeform: eh, he just wants a 'hangul'
mircea_popescu: no but wait.
mircea_popescu: how do you spell mr Wraithwaithe's name in his system ?
mircea_popescu: according to how said mr pronounces it ?
asciilifeform: presumably.
mircea_popescu: lol. way to go this "idea". "if languages were spherical and ate spherical hay, the best barn would be a ball. let me make such!"
mircea_popescu: the first ever language barn! largest best biggest.
asciilifeform: yet we make unnaturally-spherical ball bearings from ground steel rather than shoehorning nuts from the forest into bearing rails.
mircea_popescu: ftr : hangul only works because of the tedious ethnocultural homogenity of the peoples involved (2nd best korea also uses hanja, incidentally).
mircea_popescu: actual countries, such as romania, made out of ~40 or so different languages, or france, or the english space...well... no such luck.
asciilifeform: ussr cyrillicized colonies and tough cookies to those who disagreed.
asciilifeform: (note, only when it was readily workable)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "die kugeln sind alle von eisen und blei, und manche kugel geht manchem vorbei."
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: if you take my meaning.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i doubt mr o entertains delusions of his gizmo being imposed from above
mircea_popescu: they fucking miss, these steel balls.
asciilifeform: he genuinely thinks that it's superior tech.
mircea_popescu: it surely is. for such a spherical world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then ussr had to break itself apart to protect itself from those very ones who disagreed. see ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a moment if you spoke a language derived out of ground down steel balls instead of shoehorned nuts found in the forest, and in exchange you had a chance for what i say to make any sort of sense comparable to the matter density of the universe.
mircea_popescu: ie, vanishingly small.
mircea_popescu: five minutes later you'd want this appalling sort of C++ expunged from the world
asciilifeform: tough nut to crack, this riddle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2560 @ 0.00060252 = 1.5425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: defo.
mircea_popescu: but it must be noticed, this simple fact : the current shoehorning nuts approach to communication does in fact offer an absolute guarantee. even if what i say doesn't make sense on the first pass, either you reread and get it or you throw an error which THEN makes sense to me and i fix it.
mircea_popescu: this is incredibly fucking immense, try and make an tcp stack that offers this guarantee to any os.
asciilifeform not an 'esperantist' and doubts mr. o is either
jurov: hi asciilifeform, have you seen the discussion on r/buttcoin?
asciilifeform: although i hear those are still around and kicking, somewhere
asciilifeform: jurov: ?
jurov: looks like they need some ELI5 explanation
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez : Buttcoin
asciilifeform: eli5 ?
mircea_popescu: "This is really, really autistic and I love it."
jurov: explain like i'm 5
jurov: ^ reddit treding buzzword
jurov: *trending
asciilifeform: that photoshit was my attempt at 'explain like 5'
asciilifeform: clearly - didn't work.
mircea_popescu: gaze upon the pit, asciilifeform !
jurov: no that's actually like 13
asciilifeform: i suggest that someone else try.
mircea_popescu: gaze upon its depth and know what true horror really is!
bounce waits for the "oh grow up already" trend on reddit
mircea_popescu: that's rapist
mircea_popescu: i mean racist
mircea_popescu: shit...
asciilifeform: apist.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what i mean anymore.
mircea_popescu: ALL THE WORDS ARE THE SAME WORD
asciilifeform: 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' -- ilkka kokkarinen
bounce: ratist
mircea_popescu: rape, any R rated ape.
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: vs l-ape
asciilifeform: chiral isomers.
bounce: "pg32"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00060226 = 12.0452 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: rapacious apes
ben_vulpes: ape ghost
mircea_popescu: one of the better lolz about the html :
mircea_popescu: According to specifications, HTML comments are expressed as SGML declarations. Declaration is special markup that begins with ‘<!’ and ends with ‘>’, such as ‘<!DOCTYPE ...>’, that may contain comments between a pair of ‘--’ delimiters. HTML comments are “empty declarations”, SGML declarations without any non-comment text. Therefore, ‘<!--foo-->’ is a valid comment, and so is ‘<!--one-- --two-
mircea_popescu: ->’, but ‘<!--1--2-->’ is not.
mircea_popescu: On the other hand, most HTML writers don’t perceive comments as anything other than text delimited with ‘<!--’ and ‘-->’, which is not quite the same. For example, something like ‘<!------------>’ works as a valid comment as long as the number of dashes is a multiple of four (!). If not, the comment technically lasts until the next ‘--’, which may be at the other end of the document. Because of this,
mircea_popescu: many popular browsers completely ignore the specification and implement what users have come to expect: comments delimited with ‘<!--’ and ‘-->’.
jurov: since these SGML comments cannot be ELI5.. what else could be expected
mircea_popescu: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.wget.general/9621 << lulzy 2010 wget hole. background-image:url( ); (two spaces) in a css makes it report wget: memory exhausted ; one space makes it segfault.
mircea_popescu: lol
TomServo: So, I woke up with this 1990s turd rolling around in my brain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4
assbot: TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube
TomServo looks at asciilifeform.
TomServo: The chorus starts with "Don't go chasing waterfalls...", for anyone wanting to spare themselves the pain.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i recall that
mircea_popescu: i distinctly recall this 16yos lip gloss too
ben_vulpes: just stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used toooooooo
mircea_popescu: it's been 20 years already huh ?
bounce: earworm, community edition
mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu << check me out, i'm like popular and shit.
assbot: Mircea Popescu | ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu
bounce: needs more abba
mircea_popescu: jesus these chicks can't sing
TomServo: It's awful.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zcZ8zNVidg << there.
assbot: Pusca si cureaua lata........Valeria si Traian Ilea - YouTube
jurov: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/05/nyc-pastor-starbucks-is-flavoured-with-the-semen-of-sodomites/
assbot: NYC pastor: Starbucks is flavoured with the semen of sodomites · PinkNews.co.uk
jurov: “My suspicion is that they’re getting their semen from sodomites. Semen flavours up the coffee, and makes you thinks you’re having a good time.”
asciilifeform: so -that- explains the taste.
jurov: TIL
ben_vulpes: goodness.
mircea_popescu: lmap
mircea_popescu: is this semen taken out of a cup, a condom or straight out of asshole ?
asciilifeform: behind the counter.
asciilifeform: as old-time english barkeeps 'leinted' (pissed in) pints of beer.
jurov: the pastor supplies it, thus he knows. 100% organic stuff from free-range boys
mircea_popescu: til there's a gay interest news site.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the taste is exactly us army campaign coffee. overburned to all hell for being kept heated 12 hours.
asciilifeform: they manage to make freshly-baked espresso taste just the same.
asciilifeform: overcooked beans.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i only tried it once.
jurov: me about twice. was appalled how can anyone enjoy this.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's like selling oversalted food in bars - gives people incentive to cream the shit out of it.
jurov: i'm spoiled. there's strong lavazza espresso available at practically every shack around here
mircea_popescu: ba is not doing bad for coffee either.
mats_cd03: ever tried a 'ranger chew'? step 1. obtain MRE 2. remove condiment package with instant coffee and napkin 3. tear napkin 2in from corner and pour grounds on top of the torn piece 4. ball up napkin and stick it between gum and lip
mircea_popescu: have not. sounds pretty unpleasant tbh
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that'd be https://twitter.com/saifedean you were asking about
assbot: Saifedean (@saifedean) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: wish him a merry b-a for me!
thestringpuller: !t s m.poe
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060019 / 0.00065756 / 0.00068888 (763539 shares, 502.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00060019 / 0.00072745 / 0.00079714 (3473188 shares, 2,526.58 BTC), 30D: 0.00060019 / 0.00074424 / 0.00081111 (23908166 shares, 17,793.47 BTC)
thestringpuller: wow this is the lowest it's been in years
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will do :D
pete_dushenski: well an options emporium w/o options is just... an emporium
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu << check me out, i'm like popular and shit. << it's like a never-ending ama. suck it reddit!
assbot: Mircea Popescu | ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.0006008 = 7.6602 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: he said 'log1.'
mircea_popescu: log1 is best log
mircea_popescu: and first.
asciilifeform: lol, log base 1
mircea_popescu: log base 1 is best log.
asciilifeform: best korea.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ? << now why would anyone think that?
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/530846366902525952
assbot: Hey /saifedean: have you thought about dropping by bitcoin-assets some time? http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J It's all the rage!
pete_dushenski: howdy Pierre_Rochard. just noticed you don't have a cloak?
Pierre_Rochard: Hey pete_dushenski, just googled what a cloak is and it does sound appealing. How did you get yours? (I searched contravex)
teward: Pierre_Rochard: might start here for a cloak on Freenode:
teward: bah
teward: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
assbot: freenode: frequently-asked questions
pete_dushenski: teward's got it
teward: note it only applies here on this network - cloaks are a per-network thing.
pete_dushenski: iirc you just head over to #freenode and find an admin, pm them, and badabingbadaboom
pete_dushenski: and if it isn't menahem !
pete_dushenski: ;;rated menahem
gribble: You have not yet rated user menahem
Pierre_Rochard: teward, pete_dushenski thanks, asking now
teward: pete_dushenski: better to just ask in the channel for a cloak
teward: rather than PM staff
teward: they look through their logs ;)
teward: at least, sometimes. You're lucky if yo ufind active staffers :)
pete_dushenski: ;;rate menahem 1 shared coffees and beers
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user menahem has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: ya sometimes it's a bit of a wait for freenode staff
kakobrekla: klingon cloak > freenode cloak
pete_dushenski: i'd say they're sorta on par
kakobrekla: only superficially
pete_dushenski such a surface scratcher
Adlai: < invisible hand of the market cloak
kakobrekla: hm?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: hey there, smart commenter of pete's blog.
mircea_popescu: "tu cara da sida calvo calvo tu calva parece un culo muajajaja toma rima. patubodygueno." << i got anon haters now too!
saifedean: why thank you... getting me started with high praise from MP himself... you folk are spoiling me
thestringpuller: klingon's have a monopoly on the cloaking process
thestringpuller: i also think they patented it
pete_dushenski: saifedean you *did* have some pretty solid rants in the comments. i was pleasantly surprised myself.
mircea_popescu: saifedean it's a cult. it's how it starts.
mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be cleaning potatoes in seaorg.
saifedean: i don't mind being in a cult, but i do mind potatoes. Do you even paleo, bro?
bounce: what's this, the stone age?
bounce: thou shalt have potatoes and thou shalt like them, too
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate saifedean 1 “https://twitter.com/saifedean”
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
pete_dushenski: you tried!
saifedean: @pete_dushenski i avoid keynesian retards like the plague, but if i do confront one, the ranting is uncontrollable and cathartic
pete_dushenski: i already sent saifedean the contravex article on the wot, so tis only a matter of time
thestringpuller: one of us
thestringpuller: one of us
Pierre_Rochard: haha
saifedean: this is the point when i must confront the brotherhood with my inadequacies... I still use windows and have no fucking clue what this GPG business is.
pete_dushenski: saifedean there's nothing like going off on people who swallowed public education whole eh?
pete_dushenski: well the jury's still out on just how bad gpg on winblows is
pete_dushenski: presumed to be awful but i can't said i've tried it
pete_dushenski: i think it's called gpg4win or something
saifedean: @pete_dushenski it can be fun, though after five years at columbia, it can take on the feel of trying to talk tapeworms out of your stomach
bounce: works about as well as anywhere else (which is, not that well), even comes with fancy front-ends to ease the pain a bit
bounce: that is, for someone used to the CLI and the general crypto geekery weirdness that gnupg is made of
thestringpuller: I still use windows << tis good for video games
ben_vulpes: jury is not out at all on windows.
bounce: lack that and we're in _why johnny can't encrypt_ territory
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I clearly shouldn't be allowed to have money...this is what you have caused http://youtu.be/GafOuTf5ntQ xD
assbot: Meanwhile, in Azelphurs house. - YouTube
thestringpuller: club azelphur?
mircea_popescu: unsuported browser!
Azelphur: thestringpuller: indeed
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ok, but is it a deal breaker?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: unsupported browser for youtube...what are you running, lynx?
mircea_popescu: pretty much
Azelphur: haha
mircea_popescu: <saifedean> this is the point when i must confront the brotherhood with my inadequacies... I still use windows and have no fucking clue what this GPG business is. << seriously, but an old laptop, put linux on it. it's like that time when you kissed a girl tho it seemed kinda stupid.
mircea_popescu: buy*
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like that time when you kissed a girl tho it seemed kinda stupid << how is that ever stupid?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well if you're young/clueless enough it seems kinda pointless.
saifedean: <mircea_popescu> i have two laptops and can do that, but can you recommend a guide to starting with linux?
thestringpuller: reminds me of Huxley's Brave New World where the kids are allowed to touch each other "exploratively" as they grow up in the nurseries
mircea_popescu: well, these days prolly gentoo. just get their stock install, whatever that may be
mircea_popescu: or if not, maybe ubuntu 10.04 or something.
mircea_popescu: don't get the recent versions, they're braindamaged.
saifedean: tyvm, on it
bounce probably should mention pc-bsd
rithm: ubuntu 10.04 was most stable for me
pete_dushenski: http://fusion.net/story/26178/the-best-thinkpiece-about-millennials-and-potatoes/ << heh speaking of potatoes
assbot: The best thinkpiece about millennials and potatoes -- Fusion
rithm: as a user
kakobrekla: id rather go with debian over ubuntu
pete_dushenski: “In fact, potatoes rate highest on what’s most important to Millennials.”
pete_dushenski: this explains everything i tell you.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but he's coming from windows. best make this a stages thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16296 @ 0.0006008 = 9.7906 BTC [-]
bounce: so did the debian bunch decide to flop or are they staying flipped on the poettering fanclub vote?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.0006008 = 11.4224 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: idk havent been following
kakobrekla: so much to do so little lifes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i have eulora question.
mircea_popescu: shoot
mircea_popescu: bounce well, the enemy is working the workings to prevent it.
thestringpuller: based on the statements first submission are considered for future work. but if the first submission is accepted is there a gpg transfer of IP? (and for a bill/price)?
mircea_popescu: yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37574 @ 0.00060184 = 22.6135 BTC [+] {2}
saifedean: so what do you gentlement do around here? what time are the virgin sacrifices?
ben_vulpes: 2 weeks, best estimate saifedean
thestringpuller: !up saifedean
mats_cd03: sounds like saifedean is volunteering
pete_dushenski: in b-a we mostly share stories, tell jokes, and dream a dream
kakobrekla: saifedean what we do si in the logs, what you do is i dunno, tell us
mats_cd03: who has the fuel? lets do this thing.
kakobrekla has the matches
chetty: oo a bonfire? what are we burning? someone at the stake I hope
saifedean: kakobrekla well, in my day job i teach textbook macro and micro economics to undergrads... pays the bills and passes the time while i live in gorgeous lebanon, and also allows me to innoculate them against the textbook garbage
kakobrekla: not too bad
saifedean: and to preach bitcoin :D
kakobrekla: i give you over 50% of chance to fit here.
pete_dushenski: eh forgot to post this from yesterday: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/07/blogging-as-boundary-finding/
assbot: Blogging As Boundary Finding | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
ben_vulpes: auto da fe!
kakobrekla: arent you in the autoturdposter list?
mircea_popescu: saifedean log.bitcoin-assets.com << complete history of b-a proceeds
Adlai: +mircea_popescu | Adlai herbi has some ideas on this topic. http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/ << where be herbi?
kakobrekla: its log1 really
saifedean: about a year ago i was interviewed on arab news satellite tv on bitcoin, probably the first interview in arabic on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWTyo0sJNCk
assbot: ‫جزيرة آلديرني البريطانية تتجه لتصنيع عملة "بت كوينز"‬‎ - YouTube
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl why didn't scoopbot pick up my last contravex piece?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you speak arabic ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai he's the other guy in that convo.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: i meant, where in /names
Adlai: or perhaps when
mircea_popescu: ;;seen herbidujsteloids
gribble: I have not seen herbidujsteloids.
saifedean: arabic is my first language
mircea_popescu: wtf was it.
kakobrekla: !s herbi*
assbot: 4022 results for 'herbi*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=herbi%2A
mircea_popescu: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> anyway, 3am here, just wanted to login and check on yall after i noticed mpex was down. lots of love.
mircea_popescu: saifedean o hey nice. well, qntra is looking for an arabic editor :D
saifedean: what does being arabic qntra editor entail?
mircea_popescu: you cover news occuring in arabic language for an english speaking audience
saifedean: the arabic bitcoin space is basically me and 5 other friends. I met one of them for a tea yesterday and that might be the top news of the month
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0N1EY32.txt )
kakobrekla: !b 1
kakobrekla: ty
mircea_popescu: ha. well... maybe in time then
mircea_popescu: wait. isn't taleb from lebanon ?
mircea_popescu: or was he syrian
pete_dushenski: levantine
saifedean: hes from lebanon, lives in nyc. he's a good friend and was on my phd defense committee
bounce: quick, submit to qntra. arabic bitcoiners hold tea party!
mircea_popescu: o holy shit.
mircea_popescu: please tell the man to stop by!
pete_dushenski: saifedean holy coolness!
mircea_popescu: <bounce> quick, submit to qntra. arabic bitcoiners hold tea party! << lol good one.
saifedean: lol @bounce
mircea_popescu: saifedean so what was your phd ?
saifedean: mp, you're gonna like my answer...
saifedean: Sustainable Development :D
mircea_popescu: lol. is it online ?
saifedean: https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/download/fedora_content/download/ac:141620/CONTENT/Ammous_columbia_0054D_10412.pdf
mircea_popescu: o look a pdf.
saifedean: here's 226 pages of a young man's twenties spent tackling carbon emissions :D
mircea_popescu: sooo qntra is broken. problem being workt on.
bounce: too many words?
Adlai: saifedean: there's a fart joke in there somewhere but i fear sharting if i push too hard
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: just that directory structure oozes competence
mircea_popescu: columbia/download/content/download/CONTENT/ftw.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to meet the columbia webmaster someday.
saifedean: but there's math.. it's rigorous and shit... don't you people value science? don't you care about the children? why does nobody think of the children :/
mircea_popescu: math isn't science, math is philosophy.
saifedean: i really hope none of you waste any time reading this phd...
saifedean: there are more intellectually stimulating cat pics on the net
pete_dushenski: a challenge!
pete_dushenski: eh no need to be so modest ;)
saifedean: there's a long ass story about how this came about which i may tell to you some day near a fire... i basically started reading taleb in my third year and went off the good Ivy rails... by the end of my fifth i had written an absolutely heretic phd and submit it, and when my adviser finally got round to reading it, the day before the defense, she decided it wasn't acceptable and wasn't going to let me defend it
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is excellent proof that people derping random derpage may be idiots, but are not just for that reason actually evil.
bounce: math is hard on children. because kiddie-huggers feared it might be so they came up with kiddie math and now the real math is too hard
thestringpuller: bounce: they taught us single variable calculus in high school
thestringpuller: my parents didn't even learn trig until college
mircea_popescu: bounce the femiwhales "warning" normal, healthy women about [their delusional notions of] "rape" aren't doing it because "they fear healthy women might be hurt". what they fear is that healthy women may live an independent life.
mircea_popescu: independent of them.
saifedean: i had already got my job but needed the degree, so after i started the job, i had to basically write a whole new phd, get a new advisor and make it ivy-league-approved... the result is the derpage you saw above. read at your own risk
pete_dushenski: saifedean heh cool story. taleb has that effect
mircea_popescu: saifedean so what happened to the original ?
pete_dushenski: and how did you turn that heretic paper into a friendship with the guy?
saifedean: it's on my hard-drive, a long talebian/popperian/hayekian fisking of climate science and its pretenses of knowledge
mircea_popescu: saifedean make a blog, publish it. i'd read it.
asciilifeform: as will i.
mircea_popescu: this cult is such a cult.
thestringpuller: i thought cults didn't produce anything valuable
asciilifeform secretly hopes for taleb-minus-the-jackassery
cazalla: working on an article atm, this sr2.0 kid is either really dumb or stole the coins himself when sr2 was hacked twice
bounce: new cult member bearing gifts of seekrit knoweldge
asciilifeform: cazalla: see earlier thread today re: 'parallel construction'
saifedean: well taleb was the reason i went heretical, or the gateway drug at least, i met him and became friend and then went heretic... he liked the heretic version and was happy to be on my committee as the external examiner... but the columbia folks didn't like it so i had to rewrite it and do my Hail USG's, and he still sat onmy committee for that one and helped me defend it from their fangs
bounce: also, I'ma leave that tyop right there.
cazalla: asciilifeform, will do
Pierre_Rochard: “saifedean make a blog, publish it. i'd read it” <- ditto
saifedean: imma dig that heretic version up and see what it's like, havent looked at it in years...
mircea_popescu: saifedean so basically, would you say the usg is using grant money to coerce lies being published as "science" and to force people who won't do it leave academia ?
mircea_popescu: because this sounds so very soviet...
bounce: soviet science best science
Pierre_Rochard: !up saifedean
saifedean: well, it is very soviet, but it's more subtle than 'using grant money to coerce lies'
saifedean: the only way to get into a phd program, get a grant, get a job, get into a journal is if you buy into the premises... once you bought into the premises, the 'scientific method' will bring out the right result.. if you try to rock the boat, you're simply wasting the time of people who have research grant deadlines to meet and so can't be bothered to sit and actually think of anything
bounce: so in a sense a side-effect of too many scientists
asciilifeform: 'scientists'
saifedean: it's a direct effect of state-funded science
saifedean: science by committee and public grant
saifedean: it's the DMV-fication of science...
hanbot: exactly what mp was saying a few weeks ago
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#596424 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 02:12:07; asciilifeform: 'The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Ju
bounce: it doesn't necessarily get better with corporate monies. corporations want ROI
hanbot: and asciilifeform :)
kakobrekla: yes those two are so cute together
saifedean: science on a public budget is a self-referential circle jerk: get with the system and suck the cock above you and you might be lucky to get your cock sucked below sometime soon... you'll spend your life sucking and getting sucked and soon won't even remember your cute teenage aspirations of doing something useful
hanbot: you ever read david lodge saifedean?
saifedean: but of course the vast majority of people who play this circle jerk end up sucking and not getting sucked, somewhere along the line, funding dries up, a department closes down, a professor dies and you're left unemployable and with nothing useful to contribute to anyone
hanbot: the bezzle academiponzi.
saifedean: hanbot i haven't, but googling hiim now, looks interesting
asciilifeform: see also http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/decline.htm
assbot: Why I am Not a Professor
asciilifeform: (british, but applicable to all the nato colonies)
hanbot: saifedean, small world, among others, is pretty much the story of this problem
hanbot: very quaintly recounted.
saifedean: thanks asciilifeform, looks very good
asciilifeform was drummed out of academia, but at a much earlier stage fortunately
saifedean: i dug up the old phd and can email it to any of you who are interested. not sure it's worth publishing as it's still too academese to interest normals
asciilifeform: no 'normals' here afaik.
saifedean: lol, touche... i had meant normals in the sense of non-academics... though to be fair, this didn't interest the academics either :)
BingoBoingo: So the big stories from NBC Nightly news tonight: Berlin wall fell, Seinfeld and a bunch of 90's commedians are coming out as aspies
thestringpuller: Seinfeld and a bunch of 90's commedians are coming out as aspies << i couldn't tell
thestringpuller: lol