lobbes: I always feel like a weenie pointing out typos, but *shrug*
BingoBoingo: I'd rather find out in channel than on the article's comments
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shinohai: "nasa.exe has encountered a problem a needs to close .... "
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BingoBoingo: Havelol >> <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.0985 BTC [+]
lobbes: I must say, the only good thing about that forum was that I found this place through it.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I pity the USG philipenis stuck there without hanbot to tell them how it is
BingoBoingo: On the other hand though I value hanbot's health
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BingoBoingo: ^ also fluffypony those are your people, your ancestors
BingoBoingo: "That’s why Hunter, among others, had been prepping as all dedicated explorers do: crawling under her bed and contorting herself through wire hangers for reassurance... But no amount of bedroom gymnastics could prepare the team for what it would be like."
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> which bitcoin, precisely, ~is~ to be used ? << production==rand(Bitcoinreleases) prolly 0.3.23
Vexual: nothing left to chop alf?
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mod6: neat, got antecedents and descendants working.
mod6: asciilifeform: basic disclaimer.
cazalla: how bout that weather Vexual
mod6: asciilifeform: at one point ben and I discussed a 'warning' or 'disclaimer' because mp asked us to put something up there iirc
mod6: lemme find it in the b-a logs.
cazalla: Vexual, perfect spring day down here - around 21c or so
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you have a 0.3 adapted to work on modern net, let's have it ? << I don't pussling at this dilemma as well
Vexual: aren't you supposed to be in some mine somewhere caz?
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ?
☟︎ cazalla: Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid)
☟︎ mod6: whereas v0.5.3.1 has no disclaimer contained within, TEST2 does have a bit of a warning the README.txt file. So perhaps the warning could go away.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00073332 = 13.8964 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <Vexual> warning: bitcoin << "Warning use of this software puts you at odds with every national government and all agenst of socialism"
pete_dushenski: "Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investigation"
☟︎ cazalla: turn in ya guns pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: edmonton is all about the stabbings this last decade or so
cazalla: how's life with the little one pete?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: bizarre the way some insane children think the way the world work
pete_dushenski: "The reason the insane can't treat the sane is that sanity is one whereas insanity is numerous and varied. Should the sane try to treat the insane, they are all proceeding towards the same goal. Should the insane try to treat the same they are all proceeding towards different goals, and necessarily their efforts will come to naught." << mp on sane v. insane
pete_dushenski: cazalla: no complaints thus far, my man, no complaints thus far.
pete_dushenski: some kinda strange coping mechanism, but who am i to argue with mother nature ?
pete_dushenski: "Chinese tech companies reportedly hiring 'cheerleaders' to motivate programmers" << ok this is cool
pete_dushenski: "unlike Google and Facebook, where employees must walk (or ride Segways) to company restaurants for free food, these cheerleaders will reportedly take breakfast orders from employees right at their desks." << suck it, sv.
pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role."
☟︎☟︎ cazalla: i can't imagine either place steers too far from the office space environment.. Corporate Accounts Payable, Baozhai speaking! Just a moment!
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role."
pete_dushenski: step 1. software firm hires boys to write code, step 2. firm hires girls to keep mood light and boys amused.... ok, y'know i see how this would just be utterly distracting now
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: though if memory serves mircea_popescu had some choice quotes about one women being able to service many multiples of men
cazalla: looks like coindesk had a black people only table at consensus
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if strippers can be found for chinese funerals, why not paid pro hoes for software firms. doesn't seem like that huge of a leap.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: didn't 'consensus' cost, like, thousands of dollars or some shit ? i'm just trying to wrap my head around the PLASTIC water bottles and TIN pop cans on the tables. seriously low fucking rent.
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pete_dushenski: right. so then quadruply fucking inexcusable catering at 'consensus'
pete_dushenski: compared and contrast, if you will, dear, log readers, with the steaks eaten at 'conference 3', as documented on trilema.
cazalla: you don't care for some diet snappe and reeses bars as in that pic just linked pete_dushenski ?
pete_dushenski: reading the shit those 'dreamers' scrawl... oh goodness me.
pete_dushenski: "The comparison of actual and counterfactual development shows that the presence of mafia lowers the growth path, at the same time as murders increase sharply relative to the synthetic control. Evidence from electricity consumption and growth accounting suggest that lower GDP reflects a net loss of economic activity, due to the substitution of private capital with less productive public investment, rather than a
pete_dushenski: mere reallocation from the official to the unofficial sector. " << in summa : obey the law and you'll all be richer !
pete_dushenski: cazalla: vitalik looks right at home in that wheelchair they gave him.
pete_dushenski: actually, if his crippling mental deficiencies were physical, he'd probably spur far more 'investment' !!
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cazalla: heh, they really do look like wheelchairs don't they
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:01:59; mod6: whereas v0.5.3.1 has no disclaimer contained within, TEST2 does have a bit of a warning the README.txt file. So perhaps the warning could go away.
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 18:21:20; trinque: Steve's dead, and they put the supply-chain bean counter in charge
trinque: asciilifeform: don't you want a new iPhone every year?
pete_dushenski: ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone
☟︎ pete_dushenski: it's a raw deal if my local classifieds are any indication of the resale value of 1-year-old phones. (they maintain ~95% value in this market)
pete_dushenski: the trick being that the phone depreciates $100 - 200 per year, and crapple's charging customers twice that
pete_dushenski: then apple resells 'refurbished phones' and makes profit
pete_dushenski: plus, ppl break and lose their phones constantly, so want to replace with similar without going back to cell phone co.
pete_dushenski: so why not save a couple benjamins using craigslist, kijiji, ebay, etc.
pete_dushenski: ok, just checked pricing : new iphone 6s plus 128 gb is $1`289. used iphone 6 plus 128 gb is $850 here. a difference of $439.
pete_dushenski: now if apple's 'iphone upgrade program' were available in canada, which is isn't, this phone would have to be ~cdn$50/month, seeing as usd$ pricing 'starts at $32/mo' for base iphone 6s with 32 gb and cdn-usd is 0.75.
pete_dushenski: very back of napkin, yes, but apple comes out ahead, as you'd fully expect.
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pete_dushenski: in other news, "Britain's spy agency the GCHQ has changed its password security guidance in a new document offering sensible advice that, if followed, should harden systems and make life easier for admins and users. The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls."
pete_dushenski: "By simplifying your organisation's approach, you can reduce the workload on users, lessen the support burden on IT departments, and combat the false sense of security that unnecessarily complex passwords can encourage."
pete_dushenski: i honestly hope gchq follows their own recommendations. should make for some good lulz when they get pwned.
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell trinque wd on deedbot-, as ever. any progress with the bitbet integration ?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: interesting choice to call those coindesk photos as belonging to 'dixie'
pete_dushenski: i get that the bubbles are yours, but why no proper attribution ? say, to the flickr page ?
punkman: "Nishimura estimated that around US$15,000 had been paid to blackmailers targeting Ashley Madison users."
pete_dushenski: "...and smart contracts ensure the autism medicine arrives on time." << mega-lol!!
Vexual: punkmans more adverse to a query than bulldoig
Vexual: willl you lay an egg if i dcc?
pete_dushenski: “GoDaddy reasonably relied in good faith on the representations made by the registrants of the Accused Domains stating that the registration of those domains did not violate any third party trademark rights,” he wrote. “As a result, GoDaddy could not have used or trafficked in any of the Accused Domains with a subjective bad faith intent to profit from the AMPAS Marks until such time as GoDaddy received no
cazalla: pete_dushenski, asked the rabbit, he said something 'bout face use and fuck coindesk
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punkman: what's this communal fence business
cazalla: how else do you do it punkman ?
punkman: cazalla: you want a fence, you build it and it's none of my business?
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cazalla: i guess that works, but knocking on ya neighbourinos door and asking if they too think it's time to replace the fence works ok (did this last year)
cazalla: then agian, i live in the 'burbs where people at least try to make their homes presentable
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punkman: cazalla: guess it might make some sense if you know the guy
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assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:00:18; cazalla: Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid)
mircea_popescu: cazalla don't they have overtime where you live ? 8 x 25 + 4 x 50 = 400/day not so bad.
cazalla: yeah, they do, but that was included.. was more like we'll pay you to work 8am-4pm but we need you to work 7am-6pm
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assbot: Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit what some inadequate "Imogen Ibbett" felt at any point ?
mircea_popescu: it's a surgery training program not a fucking daycare.
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assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 18:49:07; mats: >According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions.
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mircea_popescu: The report alleges that when the analysts' complaints were initially aired, some of those who complained were urged to retire, and did so.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing << Honestly this latest failure is probably the end of covering them at all. Some derpy block explorers are claiming hundreds of MB of mempool off of people pushing mega dust collection t
BingoBoingo: x on them, but I don't see any of them even getting relayed here. Really it's like WTF they are letting other people try to clean up the mess they made in the UTXO set.
jurov: ;;later tell pete_dushenski done
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mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the completely warantless pretense that some sort of notable forces of the idiotards are you know, right past the horizon ready toi get into the fray
mircea_popescu: i've called the bluff every time, it turned out to be a bluff every time.
mircea_popescu: somehow tho i don't expect a change of strategy. kinda hard to do anything else when got nothing whatsoever.'
BingoBoingo: Oh there's people trying to sweep those private keys, but no one relays that shit anymore. If it wasn't for the fail way they are trying to spam in reverse now, it would be like qntra covering the weather. Instead it's just another loop to make in the rope.
mircea_popescu: @anarcholiberty @jonmatonis @adam3us @Joi @techreview @qntra is hateful inaccurate propaganda; their useful points are overshadowed by it.
davout: mircea_popescu: "If you impaled it's perfect." <<< kek'd
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck is jameson lopp ? << 'statoshi' on other forms some herpity derp creature working for BitGo, some wallet thing
mircea_popescu: awww, it so deeply matters that guy doesn't like qntra
BingoBoingo has been humming "I didn't start the slander..." to the tune of Billy Joel
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 20:14:41; shinohai: Thanx mod6. Appears to be all I lost besides an old crummy BTC wallet that only had dust in it.
BingoBoingo: I can't help it if this lopp kid want's to try his hand at slander without the strength of kakobrekla's slanderous soul of legend
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 21:16:03; mats: assad's regime and isis on the field of battle, with hopes that ru gets to enjoy afghan part 2
mircea_popescu: punkman on what, the symbolics machine ? that can't even be shipped ?
punkman: " 64 bit version (written in asm)"
punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
☟︎ mircea_popescu: There is a 32 bit version (written in C), a 64 bit version (written in asm), a 64-bit emulator as well as a Java version.
mircea_popescu: omfg all the nice things ppl say! no wonder i was feeling better later that same day!!1
BingoBoingo: Also what happened to the food taster who is supposed to prevent these things
mircea_popescu: cazalla i don't thinbk you understand how hot topic works.
BingoBoingo: College Humor is like a level 2 welfare spammatron. A bit more polished than warrior forum, but still an IAB spam thing.
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BingoBoingo: It's apparently a propaganda film telling children it is ok to be fat, stupid and incompetent. Stuff works out jsut look at reddit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've said this a few times but it readily gets forgotten : coinbase fragmentation is threatening to become a rather serious problem for bitcoin eventually.
mircea_popescu: could be a much stricter limit on scalability than the block size
mircea_popescu: specifically : the total number of bitcoin units of account that can be circulating is 2100000000000000.
mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the system will have to track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items. which, at say half a kb weight each, will cost exabytes to fully move
davout: and at this point transaction fees can't exist anymore
punkman: gonna need more decimal points
mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
☟︎ mircea_popescu: would really benefit from more discussion and modelling.
mircea_popescu: because you know for a fact as btc will run up to 10k next, the "consumers need this improvement" thing will be lowering the spam limit.
mircea_popescu: punkman obviously there are no decimal points. nor were there ever.
mircea_popescu: this is oft repeatred you know "we'll just add more zeroes"
jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
☟︎ jurov: "she even made me a coffee"
BingoBoingo: Eh, so Satoshi actually invented Bitcoin with too many units. Too much divisibility
mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
☟︎ punkman: "track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items" blocksize limit certainly protects against this
davout: "will cost exabytes to fully move" <<< it's ok because moore's law
punkman: I don't see why adding more zeros isn't possible, nontrivial sure, probably on the order of changing workfunction
punkman: haven't really thought about it
mircea_popescu: collectively we've not spent nearly enough thinking about that angle.
BingoBoingo: It may just be that the last 4 digits are there for precision and signalling.
mircea_popescu: currently it works with the last 5 digits pretty much being unusable other than for that.
mircea_popescu: so hgow much can be yielded ? 1 more ? 2 ? 5 ? a full 32 ? a full 64 more ?
punkman: on an unrelated note, I think I have a rough algorithm for dealing with V patch conflicts
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo think about it this way, the spam tx limit is currently worth very little. if it runs up to 10k it will be worth cents.
BingoBoingo: I could see the spam tx limit run up to 100k and be worth dollars
mircea_popescu: and it can not be underscored enough how that is a much larger problem than the recent block size nonsense.
mircea_popescu: here, we discusased "potential users" and the blocks haven't been full etc
BingoBoingo: Seriously this is the shit that needs modeled.
mircea_popescu: there, we'll be discussing "you may not use bitcoin to transfer less than 2.8 dollars' worth"
mircea_popescu: very hugely different sort of limitation on the usage.
BingoBoingo: at $100k bitcoin we could be talking about no practical way to send less than a crisp hundred dollar bill
BingoBoingo: But at that point the hundred dollar bill might not be worth a loaf of bread
mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it forces the paper and assorted fiats into stability.
mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
☟︎ davout: what spam limit are you referring to?
davout: the minimum output size?
davout: it's not very clear to me how this thing works
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mircea_popescu: "Welcome to Bitcoin SIG We are a group of Mensa members who are interested in cryptocurrency and enjoy discussing the developments occurring in this space."
davout: looks like a limit based on the minimum relay fee
davout: but that is only enforced at relay level, and by some miners
davout: it's by no means a hard protocol limit
mircea_popescu: davout for sure not. but it does practically worek to keep tx large enough, and more importantly, coinbases few.
mircea_popescu: we're, at least to my eyes, in the situation where we've built something against a sleeping rhino. once it gets up and moves, what happens ?
davout: looks to me like this highlights another aspect of the tragedy of the commons thing, because miners don't bear the full cost of a large UTXO, they have no particular incentive to give fee rebates to UTXO-consolidating transactions
mircea_popescu: i think for a while gentmenan-ness will prevail and the consolidaitons will be mined in preference
mircea_popescu: ie, you'll never have that many legitimate txns that also consolidate. especially as the size opf bitcoin economy increases.
mircea_popescu: by very definition, increased size = fragmentation of coinage.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect the coinbase count will be, going forward, one of the most important metrics of economic health.
davout: you mean the spendable outputs?
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davout: ah, my definition of coinbase is a spendable output that was not created by spending another output, ie. new money
mircea_popescu: fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn't be in a situation where input and outpuit means the same thing
mircea_popescu: davout well that's the meaningful sense of the term when you're doing graph traversal and whatnot, cause it's where it starts. but in this context it seemed to me it'd rather mean , "clumps of satoshi available to be spent"
davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 02:58:51; assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ?
mircea_popescu: "this bear likes to fuck people ; you an tell it's horny by the red patch above its nose" IS a warning.
mircea_popescu: in this context it was specifically re chillum's protests re security practices etc.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:02:43; Vexual: warning: bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:16:09; pete_dushenski: "Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investiga
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role."
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:34:09; asciilifeform: with no gurlz, there is 'flat hierarchy'
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:38:05; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it was priced, to a penny, to match mircea_popescu conf
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:40:23; pete_dushenski: with the cold sandwiches on PAPER plates at 'consensus'.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:47:45; pete_dushenski: ^ from a study of southern italy over past 40 years
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:58:53; pete_dushenski: ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone
mircea_popescu: omfg they did. ok, this is the dumbest move apple ever took, or could have taken. the only remainder value in the entire pointless entreprise was the perception of value. this is the texbook way to ruin perception of value : put them on a monthly installment, like fucking diapers.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (wtf is this conflation of sales and ops going on at apple anyway)
phf: maybe they realized that iphone is not cool anymore, and switched to milking it for quantity
mircea_popescu: they lost 20bn in brand value for a few million in cash. and they have cash.
mircea_popescu: they should be flowing things the other way around ffs.
mircea_popescu: The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls." << in other words, "password gimmicks don't work an we're back to ip bans, in a 100% reversal of the fecal consensus of 2005"
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just don't understand how real 'Murican women look
BingoBoingo: Maybe she has a condishun' like edema or arthritis. Knees aren't engineered to carry that all above above them.
mircea_popescu can't readily figure out which of the two is more ridiculous.
shinohai: morning, mircea_popescu feeling better today?
cazalla: oops, didnt realise i botched the image links
shinohai: Is that Butterin wearing the Steve Urkel pants for real?
davout: cazalla: your article is incredible
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davout 's favourite is the one with gmaxwell
cazalla: aww that might be overstating it just a tad
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davout: "$1,500 for this shit?"
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shinohai: Also, get off fat ass and exercise moar.
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mircea_popescu: so the list of places where obama can still show up consists of... fort meade ?
assbot: First Library to Support Tor Anonymous Internet Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email - ProPublica ... (
http://bit.ly/1ULaooS )
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mircea_popescu: "Great Job, Everyone! Bitcoiners are DDoSing Bitcoin (motherboard.vice.com)"
mircea_popescu: except no, gavin's scamcoin is not bitcoin, and no, vice is not news.
shinohai: lol. XT camp takes it as a sign they have already won the game obviously.
mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." /
http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of- ☟︎ mircea_popescu: the boat's still missed. but i gotta say it's fucking hysterical to obvserve the US as a society behaves collectively exactly like every ustard individually. haughty pretense at first, desperate flailing once it's too late.
mircea_popescu: would have been so fucking hard to submit and obey in 2013, rly.
mircea_popescu: Deloitte to audit to BitEx.la Bitcoin exchange, the first of its kind in Argentina and possibly in the world for a market of Bitcoin << except a) it doesn't actually exist and b) all of the fucking nopes already, wtf.
mircea_popescu: how many of these throwaway items have we seen so far.
BingoBoingo: Seriously that noise is the hardest part about qntra
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mircea_popescu: as soon as they are ready, the reservation system and Bitcoin integration should be ready also.
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punkman: fluffypony: how did the castle look when you visited?
mircea_popescu: honestly i think the decrepit reality looks muchg better than the mcmanshion candy-cane photochop
mircea_popescu: just, not really as a hotel. pretty decent setting for a remake of diabolique tho
phf: haunted mansion night for two, complete with victorian meal, costumed entertainment. BTC accepted
mircea_popescu: "I listed my castle for sale. If I manage to flip now, even at a slight fiat loss, I would have gained 3x the bitcoins in a year. Decent trade, huh?"
mircea_popescu: and if he just sat on the silver or w/e it was... but no matter.
mircea_popescu: phf you know they supposedly have those torture hotels in tokyo
phf: authentic Cube experience
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phf: you would know better, are there "bdsm" hotels? in the style of those italian "discipline" comics, with pony waitresses and a strict madame running the place
mircea_popescu: how can these people be that retarded srsly ? dump random txn ? that's the plan ?
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mircea_popescu: phf yeah, they exist like buenos aires night life exists.
mircea_popescu: if you're working a boring dayjob and need that fantasy to get out of bed in the morning.
phf: with japanese salarimen from the 80s doing company retreats
mircea_popescu: "11. Don't know a thing? No worries you are not alone, but that shouldn't stop you from blogging as it doesn't stop others, you can still make money just by blogging on topics that are interesting"
phf: that looks like a subtle troll, like an updated version of jeff k.
shinohai: lol I posted that link last night, such lolz
shinohai: He argues for "intelligent design" a lot
phf: mircea_popescu: i took your trilema recommendation to visit istanbul, this place is indeed fantastic
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phf: plenty of that, also fresh fish. my american girl is finally convinced that there's something fundamentally wrong with u.s. food supply
mircea_popescu: (who the fuck told those women to wear overknee skirts, srsly now)
phf: no, i showed her pictures from consensus though, as a reminder, she double down on her studies of turkish language
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assbot: Nation’s Marketers Only People Still Trying To Reach Inner-City Child - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... (
http://bit.ly/1ULfm4Y )
BingoBoingo:
https://archive.is/C32nz << "Well, since a ton is 2000 pounds and Fat Activists tends to have their mortality increase rapidly after 500 pounds, we can conclude there are 3-6 Fat activists to the ton."
assbot: evylllint comments on I hope this is OK because I have to get this off my chest. I'm an accountant and was hired by one of the most prominent Fat Acceptance activists. Wow. ... (
http://bit.ly/1KIFoqd )
BingoBoingo: Champion's Towing and Recovery of Columbus Mississippi is the most persistent comment spammer I've ever seen for such a niche meatspace business.
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shinohai: Can anyone here recommend a decent laptop with backlit keyboard ?
shinohai: I miss my thinkpad, trying to get a friend in Indiana to sell me one of his old ones.
shinohai: I'll take the tradeoff, I have a soft spot for older computers.
shinohai: Guy has fucktons of old servers and equipment. I had him look through his stash for that godsurge chip.
punkman: "This isn’t to say that there aren’t large systems that can be formally specified: Bitcoin is one such example."
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PinkPosixPXE: hey mircea_popescu, doing pretty good, been busy with the new job, how are you?
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:36:50; mircea_popescu: they went to work for metansa right alf ?
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:39:23; mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
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assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:50:47; punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
punkman: asciilifeform: I just read that SBCL has 20k lines of C
punkman: so if I want to bootstrap SBCL on say picolisp, how much of that C do I have to rewrite?
punkman: ok, on dream or mulisp or other then
phf: you could target picolisp from sbcl, same way as you're right now targeting the unix to common lisp machine abstraction layer, that's written in c
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:04:07; mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:07:45; mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:11:26; jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
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assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:12:18; mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
phf: my grandmother worked in my grandfather's department, designing analogue circuits, and it wasn't some contrived "women in engineering", simply something she was good enough at to get hired into "оборонка"
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:07; mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:40; mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:41:57; davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 10:02:44; mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
kakobrekla: "i can show you i sleep in a shoebox in the middle of the street on my iphone"
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 10:04:15; mircea_popescu: tim cook is officially retarded.
kakobrekla: the only way you dont have a bumphone is if you have the latest one.
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phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i think 5 to 6 period was the p
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: this stuff seems more pronounced further away you are from фабрика грез. i'm sure you'd still be the coolest boy on the block with an iphone in kerala
kakobrekla: need more bumphones in africa so they can use ze blockchain
phf: fingers crossed xt ios app will be ready by the time africa is the last remaining apple market
phf: "hookah is coming -- you pack it here? -- he go elsewhere, we don't like say no" what a nice country
punkman: phf, bringing hookah from other shop down the stree?
pete_dushenski: for salaried employees who work 9-5 in a cubicle, obviously not.
pete_dushenski: and this is certainly the way i'm billed whenever i have a contractor fix something on a property. travel time is always included.
shinohai: I always got to include travel time in my former employment, but only "to" job site and not the return trip.
pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arrived…In all,
☟︎ pete_dushenski: about seven hundred thousand Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies were killed. Yet a higher number survived. This is a dramatic contrast to the lands where the state was destroyed, where almost all Jews were killed."
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pete_dushenski: in other news, "the Agriculture Department announced this morning that 48 million Americans live in “food insecure” households."
pete_dushenski: "“Food insecurity” is a statistic designed to mislead. USDA defines food insecurity as being “uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food.”"
pete_dushenski: "The definition of “food insecure” includes anyone who frets about not being able to purchase food at any point. If someone states that they feared running out of food for a single day (but didn’t run out), that is an indicator of being “food insecure” for the entire year — regardless of whether they ever missed a single meal. If someone wants organic kale but can afford only conventional kale, that
pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
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phf: punkman: yes, not for purchase though, to smoke. he ran to a different location, packed it there, brought here, and then proceeded to refresh coals by repeating the process
phf: what smoking permits
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funkenstein_: 6bdr_2IAJWU <-- mos def, immortal technique, eminem
funkenstein_: !v assbot:funkenstein_.rate.cazalla.1:d6f88d117ed5e7419069c6ff29c24135b96e84b6f151a4abd7a0327d177968c6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for cazalla with note: respecable journalist
assbot: US spy chief's 'highly unusual' reported contact with military official raises concerns | US news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1ULW0gb )
pete_dushenski: "James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, is said to talk nearly every day with the head of US Central Command’s intelligence wing, Army Brigadier General Steven Grove – “which is highly, highly unusual”, according to a former intelligence official." << it brings a tear to mine eye to see these bureaucrats breaking down barriers like this. *sniff*
shinohai: Step 1. Sign up for Reddit and tumblr
shinohai: I wonder if the author of that article would be mad if I made a masturbation pun on her name.
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pete_dushenski: shinohai: not like she'll ever read the logs. have at 'er :)
shinohai: Unless I make them red in the face, where's the fun?
pete_dushenski: looks to be ~$1/lb as a going rate, shockingly, exactly like in that trilema article
ascii_field: 'Yes, opium was a murderous agent in our blood streams. Yes, we were addicted. But we gained a gravelly tone that made friends’ poetry recitations bearable. If we expired bit by bit, we were comfortable in our growing numbness. Opium eased away frustrations and failings. This was a traditional addiction respectful of our history, of traditions that allowed us to go with the flow as we socialised around glowing charcoa
ascii_field: l trays. Lethal, yes, but slow and relaxed – almost spiritual.'
assbot: Crystal meth: 'Walk a little way in any direction and buy it for a trifle' | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1ULZorm )
shinohai: pete_dushenski: my mind instantly thought of that trilema article lol
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shinohai: lol ascii_field so I guess I can't let my guard down.
punkman: why haven't they made the emergency permanent yet?
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shinohai: That we should mirror ancient Rome, suspend democracy and give Obama sole power to defend our borders.
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funkenstein_: choke off all commerce with more fascism, great idea
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:55:23; pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
ascii_field: vast exaggeration - no one would buy pork of this quality, not for a penny a pound
ascii_field: pig fed human shit - is edible. china, 5000+ yrs. pig fed industrial waste - no.
ascii_field: difficult to become 'planet' on actual food
pete_dushenski: well, no one's buying planets now are they, not even mr. musk
ascii_field: just pointing out that the people pictured in BingoBoingo's links did not get the way they are by eating actual food
shinohai: Nor did they make that conference by using actual bitcoin.
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ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.0007296 = 12.3704 BTC [+]
shinohai: Someone has an inflated sense of entitlement.
trinque: pete_dushenski: where's the >1BTC bet feed?
trinque: doesn't make sense to me to add special logic for a single RSS feed
trinque: they taught us the quadratic formula in middle school using a goddamn nursery song tune
trinque: junior high I guess it was, 6th or 7th
trinque: in re: ascii_field's 0HCN3ZM
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shinohai: Have been for a few months I think.
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fluffypony: that was what it looked like in June 2014
fluffypony: those were the ones I took on my phone, I have other pics (somewhere) I took with my camera
trinque: "They will train to repulse an attack from the air and to defend the coast, which means firing artillery and testing short-range air defense systems, " the source said, adding that the exercise had been agreed with the Syrian government. << might as well have said "against US airstrikes"
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mats: graphic t shirts, bowties, hoodies, suits
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shinohai: I need a drink, what a stressful day.
ascii_field: ;;later tell jurov last night i saw operetta version of 'r.u.r.' at czech embassy. it was spiffy
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mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE i'm fine now! weren't you going to do a dc at some point ? :D
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mircea_popescu: so listen ascii_field is it true sexpr were mostly copied from regexp ?
ascii_field: reminds me of my brother's Unified Theory of Linguistics
ascii_field: unfortunately doesn't work in english, but i'll try:
ascii_field: -ийский family - английский (english), индийский - hindi, etc
ascii_field: -инский family - финский (finnish), латинский (latin)
mircea_popescu: i suspect the deep driver there is "idiots" vs "enemies"
mircea_popescu: you know alfie, back when i was writing for romanians in romanian it was easy
mircea_popescu: but now i write in english and people who know russian read and wtf amd i gonna do.
ascii_field: learn cn, might take us a little while to catch up
ascii_field: i know strictly enough of it to not crash an elevator
mircea_popescu: and the next day after i start making obscure chinese statements on trilema you run off from home to live in xiang-fuck or some shit
ascii_field: hey, 'better for the buses, closer to the shops' or how'd it go
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:52:21; asciilifeform: this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ?
mircea_popescu: i refer you to your classical history studies. why do you suppose the atom count of gold per monetary item kept decreasing ?
mircea_popescu: if money were still linked to gold, seeing how there's not that much gold around, you'd be dealing in sub-miligram units.
mircea_popescu: once the empire grows, the size of the coin has to diminish
mircea_popescu: the choice is to either make it microscopic or dilute it with base metal
ascii_field: why not introduce copper coins for schmucks, keep proper gold coins for serious biznis
mircea_popescu: because that introduces a border and borders must be policed which costs EVEN MORE money
ascii_field: the dilution is not inevitable, it is pure pickpocketry
ascii_field: (beautifully fictionalized but afaik pretty accurate depiction of 'trial of the pyx' in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' - recommended)
mircea_popescu: anyway : yes as adoption grows (the real kind, not verbal), the average size of the unspent will decrease.
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with wealth (in fact it decreases more in wealthy systems than in poorer ones)
ascii_field: overall this is a kind of inevitable entropic heat death and applies to everything.
ascii_field: e.g., go and get the indium back out of the junkyard, for new lcd glass
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trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
☟︎ trinque: I have no interest in continuing this postfix hobby
trinque: because it's their problem to keep up, and the idea that any email is beyond prying eyes is long since passed
trinque: want to send a real message, send it through a better tube
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:56:45; asciilifeform: then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads...
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:57:52; asciilifeform: ^ aha this was sop
assbot: Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: chumpatronics is its own science, with its own measures scl, you can't just replace them for gonzo values
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:20:34; phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:45:37; pete_dushenski: for contractors, certainly.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:49:33; pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arriv
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:58:42; mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cas
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 20:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
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ascii_field: in usa, almost all iphonistas were getting the things via their telco already
mircea_popescu: in any consumer driven market, the price is the only signal of everything. and you do not give as much as a faint whiff of selling the 1k item for ~20 bux. not ever.
ascii_field: most iphonists don't even know what the thing costs to buy fair & square
ascii_field: folks pay a few hundy and telco covers the rest in exchange for binding contract for n years
mircea_popescu: "as long as the state agrees it's 700, doesn't jack shit matter what they do"
ascii_field: (this is forbidden in eu, iirc, usa-only trick)
shinohai: Which would you rather have, $700 or a device that you charge $50 for and people keep inserting coins in to use?
mircea_popescu: but whatever, not like anyone doubted cook was gonna sink apple.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 20:38:49; *: trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
ascii_field: the thing about apple is that it can live for a very, very long time even with all internal organs removed
ascii_field: because there is no (from the perspective of the aficionados) remotely credible alternative.
trinque: cazalla: yep, back up now; as long as they are that responsive I'm pleased
mircea_popescu: spiral of defeat. a) woman goes out, meets a buncha schmucks ; b) woman starts charging ~100 per dinner date, ensuring that... she will now ONLY meet the schmucks.
ascii_field: and only the most desperately repulsive subset, even
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's more like ibm. "great american industree - does nothing really"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno, women i know hate the inept cocksure ones more than the neurotic pay-for-it ones
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for so long as you think this, you will catastrophically misunderstand why apple remains a thing
ascii_field: it actually does something. it is useful to understand ~what~.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes can prolly explain much better than i can
mircea_popescu: your argument strikes me of the same exceptionalism "medicine" of 1700 employed. or "religion" of 1800.
mircea_popescu: it does "something" and for as long etc, i'll fail to understand why it remains a thing.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 17:28:23; ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
ascii_field: they sell microshit-free machines usable by civilian
mircea_popescu: derplet's got these feelings almost like he's a thing, "i am a tractor, it makes no sense i can't pull odwn this wall, please explain mechanics to it!"
ascii_field: the billion lusers who buy the thing, apparently care
ascii_field: hell, some perfectly literate folks, ben_vulpes, trinque, et al, care.
mircea_popescu: "someone pointed out to mp what that shit's been doing while nobody was looking"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the "apparently care" you propose has a name.
shinohai: I am also pleased to see that dogecoin seems to be declining. That scam sure had some steam.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple
ascii_field searched, in vain, for people on the street with square arses
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut ?! bathroom was the size of that room o.O
mircea_popescu: ftr, the estonians got really great at "fake ancient furniture".
mircea_popescu: they did a good job actually copying the principles not merelyt the objects, turn out perfectly passible items now.
mircea_popescu: beat the shit of the romanians, who tried same but failed utterly.
ascii_field: maybe(p.gender==male && p.orentation==het_cis_scum) {
ascii_field: crush(p); //Use the function crush in Dworkin.Xir to discard the oppressor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00074386 = 2.9464 BTC [-]
shinohai: Ministry of Internal Affairs? LOL
trinque: obviously pussy riot is resisting through culture with this domain
ascii_field: (sorta like what they would like to make in usa, instead of all the disjoint local police forces)
shinohai: I got called an idiot for not calling the cops when my house got broken into yesterday.
ascii_field: shinohai: some insurance companies will not officially recognize the fact of theft, vandalism, etc. without a police case #
ascii_field: phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself
shinohai: All they got was a cruddy old laptop worth abt $200, wasn't insured.
pete_dushenski: from a meatwoter : "Also on a completely unrelated note, TD now prevents me from visiting contravex at work."
pete_dushenski: for those unawares, TD Canada Trust is one of the 'big 5' banks in canada
shinohai: Items in my safe are insured, but that was too much trouble for what I am guessing was methheads.
pete_dushenski: bank of nova scotia (scotiabank), canadian imperial bank of commerce (cibc), bank of montreal (bmo), and royal bank of canada (rbc) round it out
mircea_popescu: how exactly did the russky govt manage to steal a .org ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell kakobrekla please to point trinque to >1btc bitbet rss feed (if it exists)
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 :: 4.55 B (18%) on Yes, 20.27 B (82%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 61`576 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q7xNzw )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28572 @ 0.00073999 = 21.143 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself << of course they will.
mircea_popescu: they won't do custom jobs for items worth less than maybe 100k or so, but then again fuck you, nobody is going to insure your chewwed gum
mircea_popescu: i know bunches of late 20s earlky 30yos with insurance for the shiot they make
mircea_popescu: not their fault you persist in living in a counbtry whichg has decided "coding will work like art works!!1"
mircea_popescu: "It’s easier than you think to attract this offensive, sexist label – all you have to do is dare speak out against gender inequality"
shinohai: ^Guarantee they will go bankrupt trying to find enuf cloth to fit all the fat-ass feminists.
shinohai: That's a lot of cloth, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: tumlrinas also need a lot of 'food', doesn't seem to be an issue
assbot: No, dropping lowest-priority tx (in the event of a spam attack) is not better than dropping random transactions - in fact, it's a lot worse. Peter Todd is full of shit on this one. Here's why. : bitcoinxt ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q7Af95 )
trinque shoves the barge that once was a mailserver seaward, fires a flaming arrow, salutes
shinohai adds pete_dushenski to the sponsors of terrorism list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0007416 = 3.8563 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: me and youtube, gmail, and facefraud. oh the company i keep.
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