assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
mike_c: did i miss something? is havelock dead?
mod6: website looks down (for me)
mike_c: seems they've been having a lot of trouble lately
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> danielpbarron: but a random person off the street cannot enter that world simply by asking. << you know this is actually a great idea for a movie.
mircea_popescu: korean computer wiz kid gets into ny crime family. by asking.
mircea_popescu: <NewLiberty> ^^ yes, my friend that does this has household expenses >US$50K per month. << that's a decent dozen o' slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. if you're the homebody sort, keep 2-3 girls, marked economy of scale.
mircea_popescu: if you're the roller type, keep numerous, market scaling of power.
mircea_popescu: some women you don't care if they spend 10k a month, because they create 1mn of value or w/e.
mircea_popescu: 10k in the hands of a judicious woman can readily beat 1mn in lobby funds.
mircea_popescu: that's thje idea. if you're the sort that keeps 2-3 chicks off the street, micromanage their day, you save on the electricity bill.
mircea_popescu: if you're the sort that he was describing, you don't care so much what it costs, you care what it gets you.
mircea_popescu: there's very little competent, dedicated woman can't achieve in loser society
mircea_popescu: there is that small inconvenience of how they're insistently trained not to, but nothing major.
mircea_popescu: same thing that dumb old bitch in florida was doing. the "nonorary assbassador"
punkman: oh she's still alive, 98 years old
punkman: "When asked, "How many husbands have you had?", she was quoted as responding, "You mean other than my own?""
decimation: NewLiberty: Under what law is this [pawn btc trade] offending?<< specifically, finra has declared that anyone who would conduct such a transaction to be a 'money transmitter' and thus would need to register with finra and the local state authorities in charge of such matters
decimation: I suspect most (all) pawn shops do not have such notes from stalin
decimation: heh was bagels giving the middle finger to mr. ddos?
danielpbarron: i typed ./build.sh -U -u -m evbarm build before i started making dinner; come back and it's still going
mircea_popescu: (the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince)
danielpbarron: there is a book named "The Happiest People on Earth" that might help explain how something like kim kardashian came to be
danielpbarron: There's also some Old Testament flavour: a prophecy prompts Shakarian's grandfather to leave Armenia for the west coast of the USA, where his son Isaac becomes an exceptionally prosperous farmer. Overlaying this is a mysterious story which even the authors call a "romance" - a tale of an illiterate Armenian prophet who received a secret message which remains sealed in an envelope until the right person comes along to open it
danielpbarron: some cult members in texas showed me this book; not sure how true it actually is
fuddos: there are a few ntp reflections
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 22:36:45; asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr
danielpbarron: did anyone else notice that the .bitcoin datadir recently became too large to tar -czf ? or is it just me?
punkman: mircea_popescu: (the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince) << lol! Prince Frederic (Gabor's current husband) paid some old lady to adopt him too, rest of family doesn't recognize him.
fuddos: It looks like amazon blocks at least some of the ntp udp spam
fuddos: and it appears to block nearly all of the upnp spam
mircea_popescu: it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads.
punkman: this illegitimate princehood is gonna end up living longer than the real thing isn't it? every derp will adopt another derp and so on
mircea_popescu: punkman if i cared i'd point out that i went through the guy's chicks pics, nothing impressing in there. if asciilifeform were emotionally involved in the markus prince he'd say that's obviously because he's keeping the good photos secret.
mircea_popescu: you can't be a german prince anyway, their socialistoid government transformed them into names.
mircea_popescu: for 50 bucks you can go to vegas and change your name to Prince Pizda or w/e.
punkman: "Prinz von Anhalt has adopted several men" oh he's made a business of it
decimation: it seems that if you claimed to be a german prince today you would have a mob of kids appear. They would loudly explain why they aren't going to have sex with you, play golf against you, and then exhibit hate for you in the form of a interpretive dance
fuddos: it looks like the ddos bot spams on 1 minute intervals
fuddos: sorry I had ntp running, disregard the earlier statement
mircea_popescu: "On 25 July 2007, Prinz von Anhalt was allegedly approached by three women he described as attractive while sitting in his Rolls-Royce in Southern California. They asked him to pose for pictures with them, at which point one of the women robbed him at gunpoint, taking his car keys, jewelry, wallet, driver's license and all his clothes. According to Prinz von Anhalt, his assailants bound him and placed him in handcuffs,
mircea_popescu: yet he managed to call the authorities on a cellular phone. Los Angeles police found him completely naked approximately one hour later. No handcuffs were found at the scene. The culprits apparently drove away in a Chrysler convertible."
mircea_popescu: On 20 October 2010 von Anhalt was taken to the hospital after swallowing a bee, which then stung him in the throat. On 22 December 2010 von Anhalt was rushed to the hospital after gluing his eye shut with nail glue.
danielpbarron: the guide i'm using is not correct, but i got it anyway
danielpbarron: well it's still exciting for me when an hours long compile succeeds
fuddos: sorry for the connect spam. It looks like the ddos bot is either inactive, amazon filters, or it filters amazon
jurov: yea i remember that well
decimation: is this better or worse than the 'riff' featuring the woodchipper?
decimation: I read most of the books. my conclusion is that rowling got 'lucky'
decimation: lol yudkowsky wrote a harry potter fan book
decimation learns a fact about silly-con valley, only to find it is even *more* true than he thought
punkman: chapter 108? last time I looked at it was like 50
danielpbarron: i made a rootfs_ramdisk.img but i'm pretty sure it isn't ready due to some confusion over what needs to be done with /dev/ and also there were other files mentioned in the guide that i could not find in my result
danielpbarron: well that elimates possibility number 4, and introduced number 5 (that we are in cahoots)
decimation: doh "As two RAF Typhoon fighters were scrambled on Wednesday evening to escort Russian long range bombers flying off Cornwall, military chiefs said that the UK “could not cope” with an all-out attack as our defences have been “decimated”. "
assbot: Times publisher, News UK, launches internal investigation after suicides of two members of its commercial staff - Telegraph ... (
http://bit.ly/1z684NE )
decimation: maybe it's depressing - working in london
decimation: "„Es wird diesem Land nicht einfach gemacht, seinen Weg in Freiheit und Selbstbestimmtheit zu finden.“ Der Prozess bleibe schwierig." < It is not easy for this country [ukraine] to find its way to freedom and self determination" [Merkel] said
decimation: apparently she's starting to equivocate...
mircea_popescu: <decimation> doh "As two RAF Typhoon <<< news to exactly no-one
decimation: the russians apparently toy with the yuropeans like a kitty toys with a fish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unfortunately, the us response in ukr is proportionately larger than the us response would be in england, for the sameactivity.
decimation: each one of those tu-95's can carry cruise missiles that can individually fly 600 km, so these missions are merely propaganda runs
mircea_popescu: us is like the sniper : has one good shot. if he misses that one, or if you get in range... dead.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the horn holds pretty much a shot. for the other, ru actually has air superiority since about 2013.
decimation: well, it remains to be seen what the tu-95's would do if they were 'fired in anger'
decimation: they would probably not derp around in enemy airspace
decimation: I seriously doubt the us would be unable to defend its airspace
decimation: but it is probably also the case that ru could inflict serious damage
mircea_popescu: "defend its airspace" is irrelevant here. the us is unable to project.
mircea_popescu: heck, even the ukrs can defend their airspace from commercial airliners
mats: i find that dubious
mircea_popescu: well, it makes little sense to keep a nuclear sub and a carrier these days
mats: i imagine its easier to defend a sub rather than a carrier
decimation: mats: you are probably right on that one
decimation: the paper in question seems to imply it's mainly a matter of what happens when the sub gets too close to shore
decimation: asciilifeform: "A new approach to offensive undersea operations. Manned submarines will likely need to shift from being front-line tactical platforms like aircraft to being host and coordination platforms like aircraft carriers. "
mats: well for one thing a carrier is vulnerable on all axes
mats: sub can crawl sea floor and reduce attack surface
mircea_popescu: actually floor is very dangerous with the new seeking missiles
decimation: asciilifeform: on page 14 of the linked pdf you can see a picture of sub 'taking off' uav
mats: ill investigate later then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just that the advantages of subs (quietness, depth) are less and less valuable
mircea_popescu: and once they can't actually work tactically anymore, they're basically a smaller submersible carrier.
decimation: "Emerging non-acoustic detection techniques also show great promise. The theoretical possibilities of detecting minute changes on the ocean’s surface caused by a submarine or the wake it leaves underwater have been widely recognized since the Cold War, but only now have processing power and oceanographic modeling improved to the point where these approaches may be operationally feasible. Methods to detect radiation or chemicals
decimation: emitted by a submarine also date from the Cold War and may benefit from the improved sensitivity “big data” could provide."
mats: sounds like a good scam
mircea_popescu: mats it becomes insanely more expensive to quiet them down as time passes.
mats: i see your point, but im not convinced the detection technology is there yet
decimation: " New ASW technologies and improve- ments to non-nuclear undersea platforms, however, will likely enable adversaries to comple- ment their surface and air A2/AD networks with undersea surveillance and attack systems. These may not have the reach of anti-ship ballistic missiles or modern surface-to-air missiles, but they have the potential to make the undersea littorals of a potential adversary an increas- ingly denied zone. "
mats: i hope they called james cameron
mircea_popescu: well, whether it's here yet or not... things still evolve one way. all i said was re this direction.
mircea_popescu: decimation basically they're really desperate to maintain as much projection into future budgets, but in point of fact... maintaining both a carrier and a nuclear powered sub programme isn't likely.
decimation: mats, this paper is not some random derp, it's a highly connected dod think tank
mircea_popescu: anyway, it will be the lol of all time if the carrier-sub joint at the seams frankenstein resembles anything the fighter-bomber-helicopter-drone f35 attempt.
decimation: well, the bigger picture is that usg is not going to be able to threaten russia or china as much as it used to
mats: maybe the sea drones will fail less than the airborne models
mats: im reading the papers in preparation for the book
mats: taking me ages i might add
thestringpuller: falling asleep at a computer is one of the most amazing feelings ever
mircea_popescu: poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.
NewLiberty: decimation, the cash car loans operation is registered to do it. They do pawn for cars so fairly high value goods. I may try to sell the owner on the idea since he was contemplating starting an exchange.
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 5830.8258 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 1354479.01693 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0220 seconds
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mats: binary static analysis.
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mats: 1:1 odds the iraqis will flee on contact
cazalla: i tell you what, keira knightley is looking worse for wear in that turing movie (which was shit)
cazalla: she looks 10 years older than what she is in that movie
Adlai: but what about blunderbuss cucumberpatch?
Adlai saw some review that maintained that just that casting choice invalidated the rest of the movie
punkman: cazalla, Schoenmaker still alive huh
cazalla: Adlai, i dunno, seemed he was intent on acting like an autistic retard the entire movie
BingoBoingo: First act of this morning which began an hour after midnight, shoveling snow and laying salt was a success
punkman: iirc one of his partners was a USG agent, surprising he escaped USG prison
cazalla: punkman, was always known he was alive through his dealings with mr nice seedbank
punkman: Mr Nice spent quite some time in USG prison
BingoBoingo: punkman: That was more a concern for the local authorities. If the feds knew, they almost always just kept such information in J Edgar's blackmail file.
cazalla: punkman, from what i've read, greenhouse seeds posers ripped the mothers off nev and mr nice
cazalla: who really knows the fkn truth of it all though
punkman: I just like teh smuggling stories
cazalla: everything would suggest arjan roskam is nothing but a glorified adsense marketer for weed
cazalla: i'm the first the campaign about the medicinal effects of alcohol over the medicinal effects of herbs
cazalla: to*.. clearly i am under the effects of medicinal alcohol at this very moment
cazalla: i never smoked the wacky toboacky in my life
Adlai: ;;later rate cazalla -1 unless he smokes the sticky tabiccy
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Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice
cazalla: ;;later rate adlai -100 insinuates i am not a law abiding citizen of the commonwealth of australia
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cazalla: you mean like snoop dogg vapors?
BingoBoingo: Let us all remember the bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry
kakobrekla: <cazalla> everything would suggest arjan < yep, arjan lying thief
Adlai: vaping alcohol sounds rather dangerous, plant matter is easy enough to ignite, why fuck with biofuel
Adlai: ignite *accidentally
Adlai: 'bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry' << ?
kakobrekla: <punkman> his book is a fun read < yup, quite out there.
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BingoBoingo: Adlai: Before his arrest Charlie gave some magazine interview and spoke often of his bong and spoke very fondly of it.
Adlai: 32! never took this to be such a hot topic™
cazalla: Adlai, i don't think shrem is in the lock up yet anyway
Adlai: yeah i guess you need a few olympic golds to own a bong
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You really do here. Or to otherwise be boring.
cazalla: fkn unaustralian cunts never heard of a mr juicy bottle and the ever shortening garden hose?
kakobrekla: >Later in the the night, we went up to his apartment, where I spotted a couple of bongs. At some point, Shrem told me, “I won’t hire you unless I drink with you or smoke weed with you—that’s a 100 percent fact.”
Adlai: it's the japanese way
cazalla: i thought the japanese way was to steal your shit
BingoBoingo: In USia "drugs" are often used as a pretext by USG for taking nice things from people who have nice things.
punkman: BingoBoingo: I thought the pretext was "how dare you have nice things"
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, "drugs" is they pretext of convenience used before resorting to that one.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, same here down under, but i drink so it's all legal
cazalla: but i don't have nice things anyway
BingoBoingo: yeah. some time in the past I occasionally enjoyed other substances, but... Bitcoin happened.
cazalla: i don't even buy new clothes in like 2-3 years
punkman: good clothes last longer than that
cazalla: punkman, even the best of clothes don't fit expanding waist line :P
cazalla: but i keep em anyway, rocky montage inc any day now
punkman: rabbit is lean, how u expand waist
cazalla: sitting on ass and boozing
cazalla: fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel
punkman: you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!
cazalla: nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Have you seen the waistlines of some of the players?
cazalla: well no, it's not popular here aside a few sepppo wannabes
cazalla: in fact, i have pics from area i use to take morning walks
cazalla: was a make shift baseball field
cazalla: pics are bitter sweet because while i was busy checking out the drains in the area
cazalla: blockchain height was moving higher and higher
BingoBoingo: I've got about 8 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing
cazalla: tbh, i found obsd and xfce to run like ass, no surprise a nigbuntu runs faster
cazalla: i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)
cazalla: reminds me of that wish i could read so i could get welfare meme
cazalla: but more, i wish i could compute so as not to get owned
kakobrekla: this is offline since yesterday it seems
cazalla: kakobrekla, but dead long time before that
cazalla: i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes
cazalla: the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now
cazalla: as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse
cazalla: yet in school, told we would be farmers
cazalla: by time school finished, no farms in site
cazalla: when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves
cazalla: the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling
cazalla: yet agriciulutral school still persists to this day despite every bit of plastic shit being shipped in from china
cazalla: should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township
cazalla: prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt
chetty: in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?
cazalla: primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here
cazalla: of course net was expensive as shit here, so had bbs as side gig, yearr 8 high school teacher use to call into my board too
cazalla: fkn old hag constantly bitching we were on austnet irc before roll call
cazalla: the fuck else you gonna use the net for back then?
chetty: well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either
cazalla: well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on
cazalla: still shits me, i was promised a farm, all i wanted was a farm.. still.. no farm
jurov: buy some land, feed yourself?
cazalla: i still harbour immense resentment about all this shit
cazalla: jurov, i got a small plot here, problem is in australia, one is expected to work 30-40 years to pay for it
cazalla: my broke ass immigrant opa with less than 2 dimes had his shit paid off in 2 decades
cazalla: now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill
chetty: <cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?
cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
☟︎ cazalla: i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined
cazalla: i'm not against work mind you
cazalla: but these make work jobs they put you in for 30-40 years at bezzle rates
cazalla: i dunno how ppl are yet to tap out
chetty: people hypnotized by tv and drugged up dont notice
cazalla: i honestly think i'd do better in an enviroment of scare food and where you gotta kill to eat
chetty: (why to all those people go join the jihad?)
cazalla: i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad
cazalla: well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS
assbot: Islamic State: Perth university student Muhammed Sheglabo joins fighters in Middle East - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1D0osEi )
cazalla: i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos
chetty: idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?
cazalla: of all the socialist countries in the western world, australia might in fact be the worst
cazalla: and i am somewhat "privilileged"
cazalla: the ones that come after me though? they are truely fucked
chetty: nah, something will break, a reset is coming
cazalla: i'm already clinging to a shit rope
cazalla: with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve
chetty: time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out
cazalla: maybe the kids have no option though
cazalla: i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit
chetty: but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will
cazalla: bezzle makes em dependent, lazy
cazalla: or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs
chetty: yup, a kick into reality
cazalla: i been looking for work myself atm
cazalla: much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime
cazalla: the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now
cazalla: selling btc grants you perhaps additional time but eventually that shit rope will tigthten for good and that angel lust inc
cazalla: yet i can think of nothing worse
cazalla: ya fucking hung as in necked or i go and prostitute myself on a part time basis to keep lights on
cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be
cazalla: this whole fucking bitcoin escapade is bitter sweet
chetty: knowing truth can be painful
cazalla: times like this i regret having a missus and kid
Adlai: is/isil/isis/etc should rebrand as "United States of Islamica"
cazalla: i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that
chetty: but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you
cazalla: nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid
cazalla: which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today
cazalla: i value a meal, a roof over my head, a warm bed
chetty: Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?
chetty: cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later
cazalla: i don't know if i could hit him in the fashion my own father hit me
cazalla: and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine
chetty: at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)
cazalla: maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..
cazalla: i can;t think of anything worse than my son taking what i own just as he hits his late teens, early 20s
cazalla: but my own trajectory.. dead soon enough
cazalla: already live as if on borrowed time
cazalla: hecen drinking oneself stupid
cazalla: goal is just to impart to son that he need not follow rules of society set by bezzle
cazalla: prob serve him better if i drop dead earlier in his life than later
cazalla: everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others
cazalla: not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people
cazalla: go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F
cazalla: fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head
chetty: school is great slave training, obey obey obey
cazalla: fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway
cazalla: only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many
cazalla: and you knew.. just by looking at them
cazalla: i use to have fights with 2-3 kids
cazalla: and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster
cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder
cazalla: modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids
punkman: I learned good things in school, but higher ed was a complete disappointment
cazalla: meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence
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cazalla: anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer
cazalla: close one door, open another, that was the epitome
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cazalla: i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker
cazalla: but when such a class of person is robbed of such opportunity, you know it is real over
cazalla: mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people
cazalla: i hope you neck every single one of them
jurov: adn what happened with dad's land? so that you ended up without anything
chetty: smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot
cazalla: and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?
cazalla: jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle
jurov: did he sell everything and gave you only bezzlars?
cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes
cazalla: it'll fucking deplete the lot
cazalla: what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years
punkman: I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though
cazalla: <chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end
cazalla: when soemone like me strolls into #b-a and becomes a regular, you know it's almost over
Adlai: calm before the storm?
cazalla: the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort
Adlai: ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"
cazalla: you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?
cazalla: i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you
Adlai: does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?
cazalla: gov is more than happy to load you up on debt for b-a
cazalla: fkn kids should get a #b-a instead of a b-a
punkman: cazalla, wishing the bezzle away
punkman: you gonna have to neck them
cazalla: hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there
cazalla: im just fucking itching to unlease some bloodlust on orcs and march em forward
cazalla: and if you think i'm fucking kidding, just try me
punkman: also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there
chetty: <cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it
cazalla: chetty, i'm being generous
cazalla: hopefully we have a whole fucking army of joe stack kamikazes
cazalla: i like mp's touch.. 5 year anniversary
cazalla: of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..
Adlai: too bad "ideas are bulletproof" shoots both ways
Adlai: the enemy is not a person
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dignork: btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.
BingoBoingo: dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?
dignork: well, pretty much anyone doing TLS MitM just creates one key per client/subnet/attack, unless it's USG just using a kosher VeriSign key
mircea_popescu: assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:
http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".
mircea_popescu: that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.
mircea_popescu: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...
PeterL: why do they need so many troops?
mircea_popescu: "well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."
mircea_popescu: anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...
mircea_popescu: "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost
mircea_popescu: and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.
PeterL: and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world
mircea_popescu: but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.
mircea_popescu: the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O
PeterL: at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?
mircea_popescu: let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.
PeterL: seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control
PeterL: but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore
mircea_popescu: if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it
mircea_popescu: is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.
chetty: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear
mircea_popescu: paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?
mircea_popescu: all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?
mircea_popescu: chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.
mircea_popescu: ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".
mircea_popescu: applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey
mircea_popescu: somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"
chetty: green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.
mircea_popescu: it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"
mircea_popescu: it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.
mats: i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul
BingoBoingo: <mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola
mats: BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security
mircea_popescu: what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.
mats: as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.
BingoBoingo: mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.
BingoBoingo: Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.
mircea_popescu: oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy
mircea_popescu: no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.
mats: help help i'm being oppressed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?
mircea_popescu: about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?
BingoBoingo: I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs
mircea_popescu: as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...
assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/17lLeeB )
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle
mircea_popescu: chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
mircea_popescu: cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.
fluffypony: because that word makes it sound better
fluffypony: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"
mircea_popescu: "give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"
fluffypony: "it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"
mircea_popescu: "like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"
mircea_popescu: cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...
mircea_popescu: so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.
mircea_popescu: overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.
mircea_popescu: "cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.
mircea_popescu: so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.
BingoBoingo: Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.
Adlai: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?
ben_vulpes: (and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)
mats: counter deposit receipt
Adlai: which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc
Apocalyptic: apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.
ben_vulpes: "doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.
Adlai: a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution
ben_vulpes: sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.
mircea_popescu: it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.
punkman: I've never paid rent not in cash :P
mircea_popescu: see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.
mircea_popescu: ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.
mircea_popescu: no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.
mircea_popescu: investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.
mircea_popescu: yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.
mircea_popescu: it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"
mircea_popescu: yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.
mircea_popescu: you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.
mircea_popescu: this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.
mircea_popescu: person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1
mircea_popescu: other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.
mircea_popescu: s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.
mircea_popescu: how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do
mircea_popescu: it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.
mircea_popescu: well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing
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chetty: but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P
Adlai: ... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent
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thestringpuller: i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit
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ben_vulpes: for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
ben_vulpes: ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.
nubbins`: why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?
ben_vulpes: omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life
nubbins`: "i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"
nubbins`: bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open
nubbins`: i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations
nubbins`: fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.
ben_vulpes: the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: stop waste and save.
ben_vulpes: move to argentina and do webdev remotely.
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's where the tears come in
kakobrekla: seems to me destination is getting further and further away also
nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?
nubbins`: unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?
nubbins`: just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013
nubbins`: and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc
nubbins`: how do you suppose i can manage this?
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nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
nubbins`: but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes
nubbins`: it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.
nubbins`: my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.
nubbins`: yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free
nubbins`: anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me
nubbins`: my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going
nubbins`: that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.
nubbins`: i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job
decimation: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked
nubbins`: but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick
nubbins`: asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all
nubbins`: all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself
decimation: well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank
ben_vulpes: and that's not a wot, that's a system.
ben_vulpes: you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.
decimation: although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest
nubbins`: asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it
nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/
decimation: banking at any bank is banking with usg
ben_vulpes: well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.
decimation: yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot
decimation: even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd
nubbins`: i heard it smells like brimstone there
nubbins`: well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing
punkman: asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?
nubbins`: this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time
decimation: yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians
nubbins`: my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room
decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters
punkman: asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job
decimation: actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there
decimation: actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area
decimation: even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents
decimation: as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market
decimation: I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc
ben_vulpes: i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free
decimation: whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket
decimation: unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing
mats: you get paid to live off base if you're E-5
decimation: the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases
mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free
mats: BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?
mats: (basic allowance for housing)
mats: might be 20, i never made it to E-5.
decimation: yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?
mats: being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job
decimation: now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii
decimation: so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...
ben_vulpes: oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*
decimation: yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent
decimation: well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices
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decimation: and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer
decimation: yes, that's a massive real estate scam
decimation: the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble
decimation: which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool? or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?
decimation: for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday
decimation: I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard
decimation: it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'
decimation: yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect
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decimation: I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions
decimation: yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack
cazalla: i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer
decimation: well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back
decimation: also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there
decimation: yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm
nubbins`: asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?
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danielpbarron: s/black/purple/ they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port
fluffypony: decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.
fluffypony: also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career
fluffypony: API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices
fluffypony: yes, let's all decentralise all of the things
fluffypony: and your reliance on ancient is overdone
fluffypony: sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob
fluffypony: it was directed generally, not at you specifically
fluffypony: the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier
punkman: fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P
decimation: my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection
decimation: but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines
fluffypony: my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia
fluffypony: Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-
decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly
fluffypony: so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)
danielpbarron: my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia (phew what a mouth full)
decimation: fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades
fluffypony: decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users
decimation: the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later
fluffypony: hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!
decimation: it's an interesting specimen for folks to study
fluffypony: asciilifeform: precisely, but *everyone in this room already knows*
fluffypony: it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are
decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'
ben_vulpes: i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.
ben_vulpes: because seriously sudo install libs to system?
decimation: asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?
jurov: remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then
nubbins`: apple? best bsd box i ever owned
nubbins`: shrillly definitely isn't right
jurov: til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads
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mats: convention for fake food huh
ben_vulpes: decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation
decimation: yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos
decimation: actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo
decimation: I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us
decimation: "Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry
decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?