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mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Otherwise I'd consider blackberry under the windows
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124452 << how long has this been going ? and what are the units? and what even is this heathen thing ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 23:40:11; mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/0MGZ7M2.txt
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124430 << fud, snore. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 23:16:44; ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32
asciilifeform: somebody tell the poor philippinos to give it a rest.
BingoBoingo: "All three cases are bad news. Bitcoin Core does not restart itself automatically. If a node dies or freezes up it requires the owner to notice restart it manually, each and every time." << Why should bitcoind care to restart itself? That's what python is for.
mod6: I started it up few days ago just after I looked over the Orphanage_Thermonuke Patch: # ps aux | grep "bitcoind"
mod6: root 11454 42.4 7.9 506848 313992 ? SLsl May05 1797:41 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/ -daemon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-hard-and-unrewarding-life-of-ismail/
assbot: The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETBRzk )
asciilifeform: mod6: what are the units ?
mircea_popescu: in other words, meat is cheap
mod6: its on a deb6 x86_64 environment.
mod6: and units? as in mem page size? 4096
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/#comment-114071 << mega-l0ltron1cz in case anyone missed this
assbot: Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETBXXF )
asciilifeform: has the thing hit courtroom yet ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ismail << it's autogenned crud
mircea_popescu: yes. by ismail.
mircea_popescu: and no. i dunno what us you live in, but civil cases do not go to trail the same year
mircea_popescu: that's for preet bharara's fraudmanship.
asciilifeform somehow forgot that there is not a magical exception for especially lulzy cases
asciilifeform: >> Por favor, un minimo respeto por el trabajador! <<
asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: i dunno what us you live in, but the civil docket is A LOT lulzier than this. if there were a lulzy sorting algo i'd prolly never see a judge.
mircea_popescu: (i seriously recommend this - go hang out in court for a few hours. divorce is best, tax is also pretty good, but even menial traffic tickets is golden often enough)
asciilifeform did this. it was a mega-sn0re. medical malpractice featuring folks who were already almost entirely dead, traffic crud, etc.
asciilifeform: though the jury thing was an epic lulzfest
mircea_popescu: yeah, medical malpractice tends to be mostyly bathetic
asciilifeform came very early in life to the realization that most people - and their problems - are simply not very interesting
asciilifeform: even petty criminals, turned out, were not an exception to this
mircea_popescu: the facts usually aren't. the effort and sheer flailing people expend at trying topretend otherwise...
scoopbot_revived: The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-hard-and-unrewarding-life-of-ismail/
mod6: asciilifeform: this instance is a "m3.medium" which is allocated 3.75 gb RAM. the units in "free" and vmstat [free,buff,cache] are in bytes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00022178 = 13.706 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195450 @ 0.00022461 = 43.9 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0002088 / 0.0002216 / 0.00023603 (9626820 shares, 2,133.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.0002378 / 0.00031162 (33949296 shares, 8,073.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00027496 / 0.00033918 (97493408 shares, 26,806.97 BTC)
mod6: got my pogo today :]
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !
mod6: now i gotta get a drive, solder & soldering iron.
mod6: and some wires... and a serial port
asciilifeform: the soldering thing is not 100% essential
asciilifeform: (but very convenient)
mod6: ok. i've gotta read through all of the docs & logs like 3 times before I play with it.
mod6: i do need some EE practice anyway.
mod6: i gotta get one of those little chips too!
asciilifeform: !s usb ttl
assbot: 3 results for 'usb ttl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=usb+ttl
asciilifeform: ^ goes with the pogo serial thing
asciilifeform: (or were you thinking of something else entirely)
mod6: ah there we go..
mod6: i was talking actually about the other little guy.
asciilifeform: esp8266 ?
mod6: ah ha! yes. :]
mod6 is excited
asciilifeform: if not very practiced with soldering iron, get the variant with pins
asciilifeform: that one can sit down on a breadboard
mod6: ah, ok. only $3 on ebay. ~$8-10 on amazon
mod6: is this what it looks like with the pins then? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181716608732?lpid=82&chn=ps
assbot: ESP8266 Serial WiFi Wireless Transceiver Module Send Receive Lwip AP Sta Arduino | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSF6ZJ )
asciilifeform: mod6: aha
mod6: ok gravy
asciilifeform: mod6: that's one of the 2 types you saw at c3.
mod6: ah, ok. seems right.
mod6: breadboard is only $7
mod6: there is a 75pc wire pack looks like i might need too, ~$5
mod6: i will zap myself. question is, how many times lol
asciilifeform: with 5v? l0l
mod6: ah, *whew* guess you're right. no worries.
asciilifeform: (notably, esp8266 is a 3v part. don't overvolt it)
mod6: hmm. how do you regulate the input voltage?
mod6: well, actually, best to talk about this later when i actually /have/ the stuff. heheh.
mod6 is like EE preschooler.
asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://newsru.com/world/01may2015/mexico.html << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper, torch a few random things
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBQRHo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58850 @ 0.00022254 = 13.0965 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124533 << look even mod6 uses a variant on "aha" now ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 00:45:00; mod6: ah ha! yes. :]
mod6: haha
ben_vulpes: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/fun_dpb.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBTgBY )
ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!
asciilifeform: and so does the not-yet-come-to-b-a ldb.
ben_vulpes: i'm still waiting to meet cadddr
ben_vulpes: and cdaddr
trinque: oh man, many lols when I discovered that
ben_vulpes: "give me this really specific leaf on the tree plz"
ben_vulpes: tee hee common lisp u so silly
asciilifeform will not admit to ever having used a 5+-letter abracadadra
trinque: I used a 2 or 3 recently, held my nose while doing so
ben_vulpes: abracadaddr
ben_vulpes now has binary data, must now figure out how to do it
asciilifeform: at any rate, there is a time & place for everything - even this
asciilifeform: if 'sed' and even 'tr' have a place,
asciilifeform: then so does cdadar et al.
ben_vulpes: word from officemates was "this is the perfect thing to write in c!"
ben_vulpes: how to do *things *to
diametric: evening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91252 @ 0.00022649 = 20.6677 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: hola diametric
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, there's also something in OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#dpb
assbot: 15 - The OpenBSD packages and ports system ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Rmo )
ben_vulpes: hue
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
assbot: dpaste: 2E0CYZQ: Speakables ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Y1j )
asciilifeform: ^ not optimized in any sense
danielpbarron: [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: whoa where did that come from?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: come from ?
asciilifeform: it is clearly marked, i wrote it based on a syllable set published (sorta) by old mr mold
ben_vulpes: aha
asciilifeform: try it out.
asciilifeform: will give a good sense for how common lisp's bit-diddling primitives work.
asciilifeform: at least - some of them
ben_vulpes: did this syllable set (or some derivative) end up in urbit?
asciilifeform: some variant of it
asciilifeform: iirc this version was in the early non-advertised src
trinque: is this urbit thing ever going to give sane names to its abstractions?
trinque: every time it comes up I get interested, go try to read about it, give up
trinque: "ships" lol
trinque: ok.
asciilifeform: trinque: at least initially, he used syllable gen to name -all- the ops
asciilifeform: assigning more or less memorable, short names to useful things
asciilifeform: the whole thing is/was an explicit, entirely deliberate departure from commonly-held 'sanity' and in so far as it was this, it was worth paying attention to.
ben_vulpes ricocheted off the thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7948 @ 0.0002327 = 1.8495 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Oh, look what the theater people are calling a vulnerability nao https://tails.boum.org/security/claws_mail_leaks_plaintext_to_imap/
assbot: Tails - Claws Mail leaks plaintext of encrypted emails to IMAP server ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBUUDy )
trinque: asciilifeform: would probably help one assess the ideas if it were possible to tell what they are
trinque: "When Arvo is working, ^C cancels the event it's working on. This event never happened. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen to your computer."
trinque: sounds awesome; typically called transactions not events
asciilifeform: trinque: i was never even briefly interested in his top level of abstraction
asciilifeform: it was and is braindamaged.
asciilifeform: bottom two - more interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing
asciilifeform: who knew
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00022311 = 18.5962 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I more astounded the "privacy" crowd still uses IMAP over POP3
asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me.
BingoBoingo: I mean who seriously leaves emails on servers
asciilifeform: folks who don't give a damn ?
ben_vulpes: just us children of the cloud
ben_vulpes: look everything sensitive's encrypted, what of it
ben_vulpes: (and lots of stuff that isn't!)
ben_vulpes: (EVERYTHING'S SENSITIVE)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00022254 = 8.8905 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit..
trinque: I only send dick pics by smtp
trinque: (admittedly I've put way too much effort into having email handled by a box under my own control)
trinque: to what ends... probably none
ben_vulpes: i want one
ben_vulpes: or mebbe an account on yours
trinque: yeh I can twiddle the knobs on postfix, wouldn't mind sharing
trinque: maybe next hack night, provided I'm sufficiently drunk.
trinque: postfix is ancient braindamage of a whole other category
BingoBoingo: Nah, you send the dick pics on Snapchat so NSA can see and become demoralized and desensitized
BingoBoingo: Let NSA see all the dick pics
BingoBoingo: Break their spirit
mod6: they love the cock
trinque: ah the great dick revolution of 2022
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194100 @ 0.00022073 = 42.8437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00022073 = 14.0164 BTC [-]
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/scott_sumner_on.html < "One of the things that disturbs me about the current world--and this is irrational, I suppose--but it bothers me that my children are growing up in a time when the return to setting money aside for the future is close to zero. So, when you say to them, 'You could save some money and don't have to buy everything with the money you have,' their response, which is correct,
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHQpTx )
decimation: is, 'Well, what's the point?' They look at their savings accounts, they are getting pennies. Pennies. And it's a fool's game."
decimation: "Guest: Let's think about how strange that observation is. You're absolutely right. But just to drive home the point of how strange that is, this worry the people have, you and many others, is occurring at exactly the same time that Thomas Piketty has become famous making exactly the opposite claim--that the capitalists are doing better and better and the workers are doing worse and worse"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111950 @ 0.00021904 = 24.5215 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> unrelated >> http://newsru.com/world/01may2015/mexico.html << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper << how convenient for the us that mexico is actually going through the motions ahead of it.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBQRHo )
mircea_popescu: who would have thought, the us copying mexico. except, of course, everyone aware of history.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing << how would tails cease being a thing.
BingoBoingo: Same way Yellow Dog linus failed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134750 @ 0.00022218 = 29.9388 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: too late to improve on tails.
mircea_popescu: decimation "worry" eh ? it's a worry now.
mircea_popescu: bitch, i don't "worry" about the future. i know what capital formation is, and what ownership is, and so on. these kids will never matter, because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a worry. this is empathy. i understand how fucked the bug is, even as i crush it under my boot. it is, after all, a bug.
BingoBoingo: Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
mircea_popescu: welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11711 @ 0.00022272 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
decimation: Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion
decimation: why should you gain 'without risk'?
trinque: the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged
trinque: smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized"
BingoBoingo: <trinque> the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :
asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people
asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth
decimation: trinque: what about being charged for saving < http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/negative-interest-rates-may-spark-existential-crisis-for-cash < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet
assbot: Negative Interest Rates May Spark Existential Crisis for Cash - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5bCOa )
decimation: utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. "
trinque: decimation: pretty lulzy
decimation: of course, you pay to save gold too
decimation: and bitcoin, for that matter
asciilifeform: wai wut
decimation: computers use power, cost money, expose one to risk
decimation: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/no-the-rich-dont-want-to-pay-more-taxes/ < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps
assbot: No, the rich don’t ‘want to pay more taxes’ | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQuR8c )
decimation: elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131880 @ 0.00022299 = 29.4079 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ^ obvious as daylight
decimation: asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media
decimation: saying they ‘want’ such a policy – and backing the (D) pols who propose it. "
decimation: not gonna happen, but would be lulzy to see it tried
asciilifeform: this is called 'dekulakization'
asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs
asciilifeform: dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.
asciilifeform: if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell.
asciilifeform: (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)
decimation: asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/tax_burdens_by_quintile/ < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle
assbot: Tax Burdens By Quintile ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5d3MA )
decimation: the top 20% pay 20% tax rate, and the top 1% pay 29%
decimation: note that 20% hurts someone making $100k way more than 30% hurt someone making $3 mil
asciilifeform: the whole % thing is bogus
decimation: so the rates 'look' fair while being a stumbling block for the up-and-coming
asciilifeform: given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. also if you have $3 mil per year income, it is highly likely that you have many times that in net worth, and thus can modulate your taxable income at your leisure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152550 @ 0.00022841 = 34.8439 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities
decimation: not so much for the middle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00023356 = 13.4531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115115 @ 0.00023313 = 26.8368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172500 @ 0.00023313 = 40.2149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68161 @ 0.00023486 = 16.0083 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238008 @ 0.00023563 = 56.0818 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you qualify.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77242 @ 0.00023695 = 18.3025 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cmon scoopbot_revived
scoopbot_revived: ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/
mircea_popescu: lol wd
BingoBoingo: Also guy who put "phone home" in Armory wants blocksize++ http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34093337/
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIcpNU )
mircea_popescu: d'oh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the amusing dilemma of the defeated being, of course, that they're stuck either exposing themselves in a doomed charge,
mircea_popescu: or else ensuring through silence the charge fails.
mircea_popescu: it's a lot of fun watching the bug squirm.
BingoBoingo: Now "phone home" isn't as bad as Hearn forking in March 2013, but phone home is still bad for people who chose Armory
BingoBoingo: It took a lot of time to get the Qntra gloat piece at just the right amount of gloat.
mircea_popescu: decimation : the idea that the poor have some sort of choice or whatever is so damned laughable. to quote myself, "Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. "
BingoBoingo: And yet all of the people previously demonstrated to be aligned against Bitcoin while acting otherwise really seem to be sweating this
mircea_popescu: they got their marchin' orders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00023695 = 4.194 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the problem with not being an independent agent is exactly this : the loser's dilemma. either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEbtN-aUUAA5317.jpg << lol Uk can't even be named
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJAijm )
BingoBoingo: In other news most of my meatspace contacts are now getting that rosebush as mother's day presents. Just looking at the odds it is almost inevitable of of their moms is going to pirate it.
BingoBoingo: The fiat fail is a pattern though. People near the top like Blair and Bradley with ItBit or Altman with CoinBase say they are cool with the law and people lower down in Utah and Iowa say STFU they have laws too.
mircea_popescu: "the top of the bottom of the swamp is a top too!"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell. << quite. and quite shockingly how it works in bitcoin too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212458 @ 0.00023801 = 50.5671 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: in other news, Submissions: 18160 / Known Moduli: 14733 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 2018
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 313859 @ 0.00024115 = 75.6871 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: (18160−11497)÷744 = 8.95 / minute
mircea_popescu: anyway, the strong set's not much more than 40-50k keys or so, iirc.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways
BingoBoingo: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/07/california-busts-14m-scheme-to-bring-cans-bottles-in-from-arizona-for-recycling/
assbot: California busts $14M scheme to bring cans, bottles in from Arizona for recycling | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJB9k2 )
mircea_popescu: "busts" ?
mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously, YAY FEDERPERALISTM
mircea_popescu: hey, anyone seen mel brooks' bvlazing saddles ?
BingoBoingo: Who hasn't. With all the mongo and the beans
mircea_popescu: great fucking film.
BingoBoingo: Great might not be giving it enough credit
mircea_popescu: srsly.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not
mircea_popescu: because you seem aware of the problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233829 @ 0.000243 = 56.8204 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: but, <mircea_popescu> ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
asciilifeform: notice that being aware, isn't a get-out-of-shit card
mircea_popescu: i meant, you're aware of the ownership problem.
asciilifeform: it is even conceivable that cockroach is aware of boots.
mircea_popescu: that IS a get out of the circle card. because once you're aware, everything you do is more or less successful, but nevertheless in THIS line.
mircea_popescu: whereas for the unaware, this question unposed, everything they do is a waste.
asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like the difference between knowing and not knowing that washing hands prevents peripueral fever. now, for as long as you don't know, you don't know. once you do know, it all reduces to a question of how well you washed your hands.
mircea_popescu: it moves from metaphysics to techne, as it were.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm also thinking MPEx account keys, et al
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's mostly debian, practically. but mostly dead debian.
asciilifeform: ^ this would explain it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there
asciilifeform: nor even reason to think that most such keys are not - cooked for the occasion and not advertised
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence life critical yet no reason to be in strong set. Many other "in anger" keys likely same or similar. If not now, soon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i often wonder how many folks who use (used?) pgp historically, only habitually communicated with one party, and would've been better served by vernam
mircea_popescu: the thing we're stumbling on here is that the usecase for pubkeys is really two distinct things.
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: one is, key as to be used on mpex. the other is, key as to be used on deedbot
mircea_popescu: these are almost perfectly orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vernam = otp ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: (in english lands often called vernam for the putative inventor of it there)
mircea_popescu: the problem with otp is that it's bulky
mircea_popescu: bulk is a PARTICULARLY venomous anti-property of secure items
asciilifeform: i'm holding a 64GB microsd in my left hand
asciilifeform: it weighs a gram or so.
asciilifeform: bulky ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you said historically.
asciilifeform: historic as in history of pgp
asciilifeform: e.g., a 4mm tape circa '95, held a good bit of otp
asciilifeform: so it isn't a recent thing
mircea_popescu: even so. 90s kid.
asciilifeform: (and tape was considerably easier to zap)
asciilifeform: https://www.csis.gc.ca/hstrrtfcts/images/photos/max_truck2.jpg << historic otp
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJDvPV )
asciilifeform: not so bulky, either.
asciilifeform: fit handily in arse safe - with magnifier, yes
mircea_popescu: keyring is kbs.
pete_dushenski: looks like pipe (left), papers (middle), and grinder (right)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha you can smoke it
asciilifeform: and people did.
pete_dushenski: lol!
asciilifeform: otp paper traditionally was selected to burn crisply
BingoBoingo: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/07/amazing_deals_just_for_you_and_you_you_too.php
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Amazing Deals Just For You. And You. You, Too.. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5ilDF )
pete_dushenski: sounds like a charming way to cover one's paper trail
asciilifeform: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/pics/csis-battery.jpg << otp holder.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5ioiB )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha that's a soviet trick
asciilifeform: ^ i do not know if this belonged to ogorodnik, the famous ru traitor in whose case a battery figured
asciilifeform: (and a cyanide pen, which he used successfully)
asciilifeform: i also do not know if the battery actually supplied the requisite 1.5v
asciilifeform: which would've been a classy touch
mircea_popescu: afaik they do
mircea_popescu: (have a thinner one in there, not so hard to do)
asciilifeform: not hard (include a silver oxide watch cell)
asciilifeform: incidentally this battery is a very good beginner lathe project.
asciilifeform: use your imagination.
mircea_popescu: http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/05/07/how-fake-news-articles-and-lies-about-billionaires-were-used-to-market-an-iffy-dietary-supplement/ << speaking of ismail
assbot: How Fake News Articles And Lies About Billionaires Were Used To Market An Iffy Dietary Supplement - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5iG9b )
mircea_popescu: The company that makes the supplements disavowed ownership of these advertisements, saying that they were produced by “affiliate marketers” who were not its responsibility. In fact, many of the websites investigated by Forbes traced back to a single individual whose phone voice mail said he worked at a carpet cleaning business. One of the product’s pages — BrainStormElite.org, but not BrainStormElite.com —
mircea_popescu: is registered to a self-styled new age internet entrepreneur.
pete_dushenski: sounds like coindesk's scamz
asciilifeform: http://kobolt.dyndns.org/infocenter/index.php?article=8 << otp is perennial favourite of folks writing own cipherator
assbot: Kjetil's Information Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5iO8C )
pete_dushenski: "i swear it wasn't us!"
pete_dushenski: coinbase et al. too
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it would be eh.
pete_dushenski: tough competition out there.
pete_dushenski: all these derps competing over teh same stack of other, less crafty derps.
scoopbot_revived: Blazing Saddles http://trilema.com/2015/blazing-saddles/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "adowable" << cute ;)
mircea_popescu: hehe
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "If you wish to make a name for yourself, find a way - preferably, a systematic way - out of this conundrum." << systematic being... this place ?
pete_dushenski: what else ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nah systematic is - atomic dirigible.
pete_dushenski: pff nonsense
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nono, what's being discussed there is the monthy pyton problem.
asciilifeform: well, submarine also works, sure.
mircea_popescu: find a way to make creative lines have a good punch line.
mircea_popescu: “I have many irons in the fire when it comes to projects,” Shanks writes on his website, “from health, to wealth, to blogging and establishing a community movement, my arms are ready and my eyes wide open to welcome as many of you as I can, to serve a higher purpose, help others create success, happiness and prosperity in life.”
mircea_popescu: that forbes article is fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: Who is Troy? [Athlete 2 Alchemist 2 Alpha]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is this monty python approach not more broadly applicable ?
mircea_popescu: http://troyshanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/troyshanks-power-transformation.jpg << this fucking twerp. unemployed best grip or w/e he is.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJF9kD )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi.
asciilifeform: wat even is this horror
pete_dushenski: ah, the sweet seductive power of the ponytail.
mircea_popescu: http://troyshanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/troyshanks-wavy-lifestyle.jpg << wavy lyfestyle
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJFbZK )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well then what chance does anyone else have !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00024377 = 25.7177 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: totally ponytail.
pete_dushenski: that's at least 3 years of growth right there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some "internet entrepreneur" dedicated to "creating freedom"
mircea_popescu: or in other words : bitcoin idiots / the sort of "entrepreneurs" gavin talks to weren't invented by bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: they pre-existed it, and will continue to indefinitely exist. like any other weed.
mircea_popescu: "My message has always been the same. Hard Work, Dedication, and have been the core wisdom I hope to transfer into you as a thank you for reading, visiting, and absorbing my thoughts, feelings, and outlook on life."
mircea_popescu: hopefully they have three pills for him.
pete_dushenski: advil, aspirin, cyanide.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16744 @ 0.00024416 = 4.0882 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more like... acid, ecstasy, cocaine.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to watch, or in his own words, "From Higher Health to Inner Wealth, Levitational Perception helps ~Levitate your mind, Elevate your game~ Be You. Stay True. Stay Sweet. Stay Sexy. ~Stay Wavy Baby~"
pete_dushenski: not so different from tony robbins really.
mircea_popescu: he probably goes around the mall in whatever ohio he lives in, saying "stay wavy baby" to tgi tuesdays waitresses and shoe store attendants.
asciilifeform: what kind of dope does one have to take to be at the slightest risk from this pitch ?
pete_dushenski: and 'big hands' pulls in tens of millions a year.
mircea_popescu: not everyone went to the same kindergarten as you, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski does he need bigger blocks ?
pete_dushenski: tony ?
asciilifeform: speaking of which, anyone have, or know of someone who knows of someone who have, in the flesh, products from vendor: http://www.mils.com
assbot: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k0sS )
asciilifeform: (their site barely works. esp. hilarious for folks who sell a $maxint gadget)
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r03L0NsFmiM << wtf big hands... i meant BANANA hands.
assbot: Shallow Hal - Devils come out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k23N )
mircea_popescu: domainfactory GmbH ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never heard of them, and it looks exactly like a scam.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally a scam
asciilifeform: but i have long wished to ascertain -what kind- of scam.
asciilifeform: afaik they are presently the only vendor offering (claimed) otptrons of whatever variety.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://viewdns.info/reverseip/?host=141.0.23.12&t=1 < this kind.
assbot: Reverse IP Lookup - ViewDNS.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJG5FN )
asciilifeform: ^ pathological misers also explain
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: but there is no question that sc4mz0r1ng. just that they do ship actual iron, it floats around. but i wish to learn, at some point, how they poison it
mircea_popescu: if they do ship what's the problem with ordering
asciilifeform: $maxint presumably
asciilifeform: and i have my doubts that they would sell to me in particular
asciilifeform: even if brought $maxint
mircea_popescu: so then misers ? eh... i bet you one thing, they'll gladly take your money.
mircea_popescu: "The creative essence within the story of “Troy Shanks (Athelete to Alchemist to Alpha)” is about Perpetual Regeneration to Levitational Perception. That is, the foundational biological imperative concept of Higher Health to Inner Wealth (Internal Paradise = External Reflection).
mircea_popescu: As virtually limitless amounts of cosmic epiphanies began to dawn on me, timeless transcendence of my timelessly presence in the ‘Holy Shift of B.S.’ (belief systems) about universal life started a Higher Truth transformation twist in my life from I to We (think illness to wellness)."
asciilifeform: this is by no means an urgent matter, i ask now so that possibly can learn answer year, two, three, from now.
mircea_popescu: and this, my dear friends, is what early schizophrenia looks like.
asciilifeform: and i bet folks using the diddled otptrons would be very excited to learn what has been done to them.
mircea_popescu: the word clustering is a very sad sign.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the holy shit of bs i intend to steal, it's pretty good.
asciilifeform: fella needs to tune his shannonizer methinks
asciilifeform: at least, lubricate it on occasion
asciilifeform: it - almost audibly, squeaks.
mircea_popescu: the shanonizer in question runs on his own personal wetware, and the squeaks you hear have names.
mircea_popescu: "With so many words of wisdom at-hand to express my creative play on words, deciding which in-formation of thoughts, feelings, and actions to choose from to impose my identity with is not easy. Acting with effortless presence in a transcendental meditative state in our beautiful blue biosphere of biological beings is becoming the best, greatest, highest version of our SELF."
asciilifeform: re: certified nutters: did we ever get terry davis in here ?
mircea_popescu: shit's almost as good as timecube.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: unlike every other schizo afaik, davis is not satisfied merely with wetware shannonizer
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: wavy's quote is "holy shiFt of bs" if it makes a difference.
asciilifeform: and uses a mechanical one of own design
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski o im aware.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that difference would be lost on him.
asciilifeform: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/manuf/mils << further re: mils corp.
assbot: Mils Electronic ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5kPSm )
asciilifeform: ^ the more recent history has the flavour of being literally copied from a spambrochure
mircea_popescu: Mils Electronic Gesmbh & Co.kg does not have any Key Executives recorded.
mircea_popescu: bloomberg never heard of em
asciilifeform: i bet it's a walking corpse, like symbolics tech. 1998+
asciilifeform: (holding co. owning assets of a historic carcass)
asciilifeform: either this, or 'crypto museum' has a great deal to answer for.
asciilifeform: and isn't it a private firm ?
asciilifeform: why would bloomberg et al necessarily know anything of it
mircea_popescu: wouldn't necessarily know anything, no. nevertheless... what government do they sell to ? turkmenistan ?
asciilifeform: these outfits don't normally sell to governments (outside of turkmenistan's weight class) - these issue gear to own personnel -
asciilifeform: but to likewise private concerns
asciilifeform: as the infamous crypto ag did (does!)
mircea_popescu: https://firmen.wko.at/Web/DetailsInfos.aspx?FirmaID=67e398e2-7bb7-4784-b40c-c25527d91a02&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
assbot: Mils-Electronic Gesellschaft m.b.H. & Co. Kommanditgesellschaft - IT-Dienstleistung - Firmeninfos - Handel, Information und Consulting - Firmen A-Z ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5lx1R )
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: one Otto Kugler. they've permits in relevant fields it seems.
asciilifeform: if the 'museum' is to be believed, these people - until very recently - sold exclusively vernamators.
asciilifeform wonders if the machines evolved in the same direction as mils's www site
mircea_popescu: want me to drop em an email see ?
asciilifeform: sure!
asciilifeform: imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset
mircea_popescu: anwyay, your museum piece doth not mention the ceo/cfo/etc kugler guy.
asciilifeform: 3) i won't spoil all of the surprises, but the usb gadget pictured in the photo on cryptomuseum's www does not look anywhere near large enough to contain, e.g., independent power source
asciilifeform: or auditable rng, etc.
asciilifeform to be
asciilifeform: d
asciilifeform: to bed.
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.64, Best ask: 237.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 237.69, 24 hour volume: 26606.23381427, 24 hour low: 227.81, 24 hour high: 239.79, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.0002417 = 23.3724 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !rate punkman 1 Hangs around in #b-a
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1bf063dbc8203a7e
mircea_popescu: !rate thickasthieves 1 Not seen for a while now.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ea7b21a06c00f816
mircea_popescu: !rate ben_vulpes 4 B,TMSR~ secret spy and influence agent in Cascadia
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/75a0a97382fe3c25
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124745 <<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2O_l0RUH4E ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 04:50:27; mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ?
assbot: Seinfeld - Kramer and Newman sings bottles/cans - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5nxqZ )
mircea_popescu: cazalla srsly.
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 4 He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eb42fe96a13f1fd9
mircea_popescu: !rate fabianb 1 Not seen for a while now.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e67adaa0bd5aa954
cazalla: as a kid, some friends and i use to go around collecting cans, weekends were best after local cricket.. stuff some and in there for extra weight and earn yourself $2 for a bag of lollies
cazalla: if someone is willing to truck em interstate, all the more to em i say
mircea_popescu: srsly.
cazalla: stuff some sand i meant to say
cazalla has begun knocking back the booze
mircea_popescu: !rate davout 4 X.EUR, apparently working on the proper French pronounciation of "pogo"
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c469f632383b6fcf
mircea_popescu: cazalla how's that working out ?
cazalla: drinking? i don't drink as much as i did before my short stint working, but now back at home each day, figured why not have a drink tonight
mircea_popescu: !rate azelphur 1 Not seen for a while now.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/50fbcfb28b46cb17
mircea_popescu: i find myself drinking less and less ;/
cazalla: well you probably don't have much reason to do so
cazalla: seeing the missus and kid 24/7 again drives one to crack open a bottle or two
mircea_popescu: !rate williamdunne 3 Nice work on the scoop.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c4d968238c002c67
mircea_popescu: cazalla so take solace in work :D
mircea_popescu: !rate trinque 3 Nice work on the deedbot
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e16ca829af90066e
mircea_popescu: !rate danielpbarron 3 Logician in charge of logistics.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1d55597dd7ff3bc4
mircea_popescu: !rate pizzaman1337 1 Not seen for a while now.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a2e9166975bae89e
mircea_popescu: !rate rdponticelli 1 Not seen for a while now.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/be448a0268c06e2c
mircea_popescu: !unrate dwon
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1fcb534cd1a0a0ab
mircea_popescu: !unrate splatster
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8f771b8da8dbe88a
mircea_popescu: !unrate brendio
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/dae585517837429e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124150 @ 0.00024837 = 30.8351 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !unrate jine
assbot: is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !unrate jine
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0abf7b6e4a577b25
pete_dushenski curious, but too tired to see if he ends up plussed (or negged!) in this evening's ratings updates par mp.
pete_dushenski: with that, a demain !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128100 @ 0.00025071 = 32.116 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00024285 = 15.3724 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !rate phantomcircuit -10 One of the Bitcoinica scammers. Also famous for having sent the whole userbase the emails of the whole userbase back when he was running some derpy "exchange" thing. Altogether the lowest sort of scum infesting Bitcoin - whenever you interact with him god kills a kitten.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08b06079b7dd27f9
mircea_popescu: how the fuck i missed that schmuck is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: ;;googe ident
gribble: Error: "googe" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: shit i forgot how to do this.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d35caba4fd90515600914234ae6796f76d683934336b73edf405a4dd
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rated phantomcircuit
gribble: You rated user phantomcircuit on Tue Feb 10 15:24:55 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: oh. okay.
cazalla: damn, shit comes full circle when ben "one man holocaust" garrison is doing request for pol on 8chan https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/based-hotwheels.jpg?w=640 http://40.media.tumblr.com/266e57681e0ed46a166a18f3e43a947d/tumblr_nnr3wuovSh1titub2o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtXx81 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtXxou )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245100 @ 0.00024299 = 59.5568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112350 @ 0.00024567 = 27.601 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66930 @ 0.00025118 = 16.8115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125644 @ 0.0002417 = 30.3682 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141777 @ 0.00024949 = 35.3719 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33579 @ 0.00025217 = 8.4676 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89684 @ 0.00025439 = 22.8147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00025439 = 19.6643 BTC [+]
cazalla: fkn logs hard to read with a drunken costanza squint
cazalla: feels like a million miles away from the monitor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121900 @ 0.00024886 = 30.336 BTC [-]
cazalla: the tony robbins shit.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yu7HF8j4E
assbot: Tony Robbins and The Syndicate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgHmWl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135633 @ 0.00024886 = 33.7536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136100 @ 0.00025574 = 34.8062 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00024886 = 6.2588 BTC [-]
cazalla: unban vexual da fuck is this racism against true blue australians :\
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 let's turn it up and upboat this vidya to unban the vexual, the true blue aussie if ya ever saw one
assbot: Dire Straits - Money For Nothing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgLzJC )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-82dn75bg
assbot: Divinyls Pleasure And Pain - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgMjyc )
chetty: hey cazalla I think you and me only ones awake :P
cazalla: prolly
cazalla: soon only you
cazalla: im tanked
chetty: suns not even up here, much less over the yardarm
cazalla: 8:15pm here
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZp9JEH6XZE
assbot: Devendra Banhart 'Little Yellow Spider' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgN8qQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160100 @ 0.0002448 = 39.1925 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQgIk3fV8zI best abo song outta australia
assbot: Beatboxing Didgeridoo - "Wilcannia Mob - Down River" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTmdrU )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA
assbot: Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgO9iA )
cazalla: miusssss free love of 69
cazalla: fuck that song is liek 25 years old now
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_py6WbMV1k
assbot: The Angels - Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again - Live 1988 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgOKRn )
cazalla: not a single indian or asian cunt in the crowd
cazalla: no way get fucked fuck off
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cbkxn4G8U
assbot: Yothu Yindi - Treaty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgPKVK )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gujdbZ1csng zzzz for me
assbot: Come Said The Boy - Mondo Rock - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTmZFv )
cazalla: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32633719 can't barrage the farage.. guess you can
assbot: Nigel Farage resigns as UKIP leader as the party vote rises - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgQCtn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56262 @ 0.00024936 = 14.0295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124407 @ 0.00025764 = 32.0522 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: ;; seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00024936 = 24.936 BTC [-]
cazalla: miss a day of #b-a? need a note from your dr
gabriel_laddel: lol
cazalla: nothing worse than drinking enough to get tired and going to bed but not enought to knock you out cold so you get back up for a bit more youtubing and maybe a little mfc
gabriel_laddel: ;;ud mfc
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MFC | MFC is an acronym standing for Mildly Fat Chick. These are the semi-nasty girls you'll see at parties dancing sluttily to 'My Humps', going crazy when Party for ...
cazalla: fuck off
cazalla: it's my free cams
gabriel_laddel: how is your kid doing?
cazalla: he face planted into the floor boards and tried to eat the play-doh i bought him today
gabriel_laddel: awwww
cazalla: i'm like.. don't run.. so he runs and goes head over heals and whack.. what can ya do? they don't fucking listen
cazalla: missus had a cry too because he hits her
gabriel_laddel: oh so he takes after you then?
cazalla: never laid a hand on her
gabriel_laddel: (I kid)
cazalla: not that i have not wanted to but the law says no, violence against women, australia says no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCCt-Bo07oc
assbot: Violence Against Women - Australia Says No - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJiWrP )
gabriel_laddel: bahahaha
gabriel_laddel: what a bunch of wankers
cazalla: toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you
gabriel_laddel: I'll have to take your word for it.
gabriel_laddel: Jews and children generally don't hit me :/
cazalla: ah it's a /pol/ joke
gabriel_laddel: oic
gabriel_laddel: I should note that I'm aware of /pol/
gabriel_laddel: I'm not much into it
gabriel_laddel: generally because they're idiots
cazalla: i spent much more time there before i found #b-a
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1122255 << This is my problem with /pol/ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 04:04:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you feel if you had to live in a place where nobody used words longer than 4 letters ?
cazalla: sorta disintegrated since 4chan became cuckchan and 8chan can't pay the bills
gabriel_laddel: oh, and america. And the UK. And Australia.
cazalla: i guess the difference is that /pol/ assigns the problems cause by an individual to the group whereas #b-a does not
cazalla: and when i tried to discuss Bitcoin with them i was accused of being a JIDF shill
cazalla: at which point.. http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Seinfeld-Leaving.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJkFNI )
gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
cazalla: well, my example is not the only one, just something i've observed myself
cazalla: i'm on the lower end of the totem pole here, not so bad to realise such a thing though
cazalla: that's not some liberal leftist self flagellation either
cazalla: if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others
cazalla: know your role and do it well eh
cazalla casts bloodlust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIVxEpQEms
assbot: Warcraft II Sound Effects - Orc Spells: Bloodlust - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GThFf8 )
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danielpbarron: !up btcdrak
danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEfPF4GUgAARIn5.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvU4nq )
davout: !rate btcdrak 1 guy makes sense -> http://bitcoin-development.narkive.com/3MPEfZHu/block-size-increase
assbot: btcdrak is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvUytW )
davout: btcdrak: well, key up
btcdrak: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85350 @ 0.00024683 = 21.0669 BTC [-]
fluffypony: btcdrak: good posts on the mailing list btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45055 @ 0.00024457 = 11.0191 BTC [-]
mod6: danielpbarron: hahah
danielpbarron: "I don?t really have a strong opinion on block size either?but if we?re going to do a hard fork, let?s use this as an opportunity to create a good process for hard forks (which we?ll inevitably need to do again in the future)." << leave it up to these guys and the 21 million cap will be lifted in a matter of years
danielpbarron: !up Guest13073
chetty: Whatever the technical issues on block size, the danger of letting pretty much one person drive a change should be obvious
thestringpuller: I'm starting to think everytime you kill a Gavin-esque zombie, it's already infected 10 innocents which then become zombies.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: the 2nd order ones are only 1/1000th as powerful though. still +ev.
pete_dushenski: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish
assbot: David Simon on Baltimore’s Anguish | The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVFXKe )
decimation: asciilifeform: note that there is going to be a very large flight of WWII aircraft over the national mall today
asciilifeform: decimation: neato
pete_dushenski: "Wait, you're doing a warrant check on me before I can report a robbery? Oh yeah, we gotta know who you are before we take a complaint. You and everyone you’re living with? What’s your address again? You still want to report that robbery?"
decimation: it should start around 12:10pm local http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/rss/342-arsenal-of-democracy-flyover-to-conduct-rescheduled-single-aircraft-practice-flight
assbot: Arsenal of Democracy Flyover to Conduct Rescheduled Single-Aircraft Practice Flight ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVGyeJ )
decimation: including the only working B-29 apparently
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne http://frass.woodcoin.org/ << still not showing up on scoopy ?
assbot: Free your Frass | Blogulations on Coinologies by Funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVH5xj )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: clearly this isn't stopping the surprisingly prolific funkenstein_ but still.
asciilifeform: 'arsenal of democracy' l0l
decimation: asciilifeform: of course - noticably missing su aircraft
decimation: but has japanese zero!
decimation: actually it does look like they have some su aircraft, not sure if they will be there otday
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decimation: for those not in wash dc and care - can watch live here http://events.dacast.com/?webcast_id=9
assbot: Arsenal of Democracy: World War II Victory Capitol Flyover - DaCast ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVK4WF )
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics. By the time you are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception." << wait, so intelligence is in no way caused by genetics?
gabriel_laddel: Lemme know when you teach a dog calculus.
gabriel_laddel: Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84%
gabriel_laddel: http://education.seattlepi.com/animals-share-human-dna-sequences-6693.html << info is from this, I don't have time to do actual research atm
assbot: Animals That Share Human DNA Sequences | Education - Seattle PI ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVLlwO )
funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, thnks :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78450 @ 0.00024647 = 19.3356 BTC [+] {3}
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, no i can't get a dog to pass the BC calc test but that is hardly a proof of causation
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: dun mention it.
pete_dushenski: 1enjoying your posts, especially the remarkable 'march 18' lot !
pete_dushenski: how long was that day ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0002424 = 1.3332 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: do you agree that memory is a component of intelligence?
funkenstein_: lol, yeah most of that stuff was started like 8 months ago.
pete_dushenski: that is a long day.
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I do concede that without things like genetics, air to breathe, gravity and such, we wouldn't have intelligence as we know it
funkenstein_: and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: aw come on, walk all the way to the obvious conclusion.
gabriel_laddel: oh nvm
gabriel_laddel: "and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi"
gabriel_laddel: ^ there it is
funkenstein_: if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi
funkenstein_: there's a difference between an environmental and a causal agent.
Adlai: what is intelligence, though? maybe "likeliness of being the next satoshi" is a good starting point for a better definition
Adlai: previous attempts to define intelligence seem focused on measuring performance in various capacities
funkenstein_: schiesse, now i've gone and stepped in a can of worms haven't i
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239000 @ 0.00023871 = 57.0517 BTC [-] {3}
funkenstein_: Adlai, some of these terms are kind of like "heap", they seem to want to avoid precise definition
Adlai: rather than answer my own question, I'll pose another... many moons ago, while applying for an exclusive elitist summer course for kids in philosophy or paradoxes or somesuch, the instructor interviewed each kid individually
Adlai: the interview consisted of a single question: "what is humor?"
mircea_popescu: so what did you say ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema lectia de humor
ben_vulpes: http://makezine.com/2015/05/07/next-thing-co-releases-worlds-first-9-computer/
assbot: The World's First $9 Computer Coming to Kickstarter | Make: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVNN6u )
gribble: September 2009 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/09>; Trilenciclopedia on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; July 2010 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/07>
ben_vulpes eagerly anticipates learning from asciilifeform what novel idiocy the "$9 compudder" ships with
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 1) it doesn't ship, it's a 'kickstarter' l0l
asciilifeform: 2) 'arm a9' as in the various popular boards like 'banana'
Adlai: mircea_popescu: the exact words have long since succumed to neoconservative GC, but something to the tune of "something is funny when it surprises the listener in a manner which makes sense in retrospect, but the speaker knew in advance was unexpected"
mircea_popescu: pretty much exact, yes.
Adlai: !s jokester
assbot: 0 results for 'jokester' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jokester
Adlai: this is an omission. http://bluebox.ippt.pan.pl/~vkoval/fantasy.html << jokester
assbot: Science fiction ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVOwod )
gabriel_laddel: <funkenstein_> if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi << ;; google east asian malnutrition IQ
Adlai: inline comments double semicolon plz
mircea_popescu: i do not see that if then thing follows.
asciilifeform: it's the liberast 'mandatory explanation' for africa.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to call it a syllogism. what if you don't know you're missing x ? what thrones of china you're missing that you never had ?
mircea_popescu: it's idiotic.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, newton did not have a clean water supply.
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, thnks interesting.. but my point was more along the lines of you have to at least have what it takes to stay alive
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: my point is more along the lines of even with "enough to stay alive" negros produce nothing of interest.
mircea_popescu: it does not take "clean water" to stay alive.
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, then you aren't working with any
mircea_popescu: all it takes is a will to stay alive, which pointedly includes the will to drink your blood if ity comes to it.
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: you must have terrible taste in music
mircea_popescu: which explains exactly why plenty of people who manage to stay alive don't manage anything else.
decimation: I've been told by chinese engineer students that many in rural china survive on alcohol
chetty: egyptians mostly lived on beer
funkenstein_: 72 hrs is the commonly stated lifetime of a person without water
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ it vastly depends on many circumstances.
funkenstein_: true indeed
funkenstein_: beer is mostly water btw
asciilifeform: chetty: very different beer from the watery crud of today
mircea_popescu: anyway, egypt still has an ancient network of clean water canisters, as a public service, a day's walk away from the others
asciilifeform: it was rather like a liquid bread.
chetty: indeed
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_AIh9MSxpY
assbot: Crazy Astronaut - No Face Just Energy (feat. J. Fontinha) ᴴᴰ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVPFfz )
mircea_popescu: much like the churches in early north america
mircea_popescu: yo danielpbarron dun worry about it, "defo" means definitely.
danielpbarron: oh, re: eulora ? I wasn't worried :p
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: the presence of "feat" in the video title makes me highly suspicious and unwanting to click
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: beer is mostly sugar lol. trying to hydrate on beer isn't the best idea...
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: ok. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6IxP-8Jiw
assbot: Ken Ashcorp - Dunkmaster Yi (League of Legends Champion Rocks) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVQ7uq )
Adlai: some monks live off beer during lent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0002406 = 2.0692 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kinda how/why beer was invented
mircea_popescu: for the needs of the roman military and then church.
pete_dushenski: ha! so that latins *can* invent things. (unless this too was stolen from china ?)
mircea_popescu: egypt.
pete_dushenski gives up.
mircea_popescu: love ya :)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe.
mircea_popescu: mostly, germania.
diametric: mircea_popescu: got the mail, thanks.
mircea_popescu: yw.
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.65, Best ask: 246.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.66, 24 hour volume: 35052.50252707, 24 hour low: 231.41, 24 hour high: 249.0, 24 hour vwap: None
mats: it moves
mircea_popescu: hehe
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
mats: so, i got two weeks notice today
gribble: Current Blocks: 355539 | Current Difficulty: 47643398017.803 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48750393774.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.3235
pete_dushenski: mats: brutalzore
pete_dushenski: you have something else lined up ?
mats: delivery on key server project may take an additional month or two
mircea_popescu: mats what did you use to do, i forget ?
mats: i did a mix of front and back office IT support
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: mats: waitasec i thought you were a reverser
mats: nope... that's a hobby
asciilifeform: or was that just a side thing
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: i guess he was underemployed
mats: pete_dushenski: notrly. i'm actually thinking about taking six months to a year off, my carpal tunnel has been getting worse recently so the timing may be fortuitous after all
mircea_popescu: going traveling etc ?
mats: ha. i'll probably move to a shithole like Lowell (for the low rent), and read a mountain of books
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: i lived there, had nfi it's a shithole!
pete_dushenski: mats: a sabbatical, nice ! and from personal experience, carpal tunnel is definitely a hindrance.
pete_dushenski: i have nfi how mine eventually went away. physio is the most likely explanation.
mats: its not terrible, mostly a hispanic and south-east asian almost-ghetto nao
pete_dushenski: mats mebbe try out ims ?
mats: wassat
pete_dushenski: (intramuscular stimulation)
mircea_popescu: heh. a decade or so ago it was undergoing "revival", they had all these plans to attract "artists" and gentrify the area.
pete_dushenski: more aggressive accupunture
mircea_popescu: i guess it didn't catch.
pete_dushenski: *acupuncture
mats: lotta cambodians in lowell
mats: which is appropriate, i'd say, because cambodians are like the black people of asia
mircea_popescu: used to be a few spanish a few azn some people from africa (as opposed to us blacks)
mircea_popescu: just enough to have decent bread and whatnot. but mostly white
mats: pete_dushenski: i'll talk to a physician about it.
pete_dushenski: i'd recommend it.
pete_dushenski: i still go for treatment once a month for maintenance, was once a week at first
mats: the frustrating thing is that i've had carpal tunnel since 18, and it actually went away after four months in basic training/AIT
gabriel_laddel: mats: http://aaroniba.net/articles/tmp/how-i-cured-my-rsi-pain.html
assbot: How I Cured my RSI Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTUDss )
gabriel_laddel: I can vouch for Aaron not being a shmuck.
mats: but it came back in half a year after i kept working on a shite toshiba ultrabook
mircea_popescu: never EVER work on a laptop.
chetty: wear a wrist brace while you are using a computer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85250 @ 0.00024185 = 20.6177 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel: interesting stuff.
pete_dushenski: i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night).
pete_dushenski: eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOgxWp0WyiI
assbot: Better Posture in 4 minutes: Dr. Eric Goodman shares 3 simple Foundation Training exercises. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTVOYH )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform upon further meditation : the sum total of neededchanges to phuctor is, make keys introduced via web go to top of pile, while keys introduced by cutter of db go to bottom of pile. this is all, really.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was my thought as well
mircea_popescu: yeah. and that's it, can be set in stone afterwards.
asciilifeform: i'll adjust it as soon as i also figure out the db locking thing
mircea_popescu: works.
asciilifeform: (responsible for a good chunk of the current delay)
trinque: mircea_popescu: Nice work on the deedbot << thanks, fun project.
mircea_popescu: the day debian lost its future.
mircea_popescu: nobody knew, but what a sad day indeed it was!
asciilifeform: when was this day
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: why are you sitting?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what day was this?
mircea_popescu: today. when it was decided that "well, we don't really give a shit about the debian-dominated gpg strong set"
mircea_popescu: lowered into pederasty if there ever was such a thing
mircea_popescu: (maybe i'm just sentimental, i used to actually like them)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i stand a bit, mebbe 10% of the time.
asciilifeform: one of the few remaining quasi-civilized linuxen
asciilifeform: (for the time being)
mircea_popescu: yes, but the difference between "my wife/slavegirl/twu wuv/we you call it" and "this cunt i'm fucking for the time being" is the only real difference in the world.
mircea_popescu: everything else is built of this
mircea_popescu: having failed to make the cut...
asciilifeform: i learned this as 'no one dies to defend his hotel'
scoopbot_revived: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
mircea_popescu: diametric ^ look what you started!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty good, whence from ?
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asciilifeform: damned if i remember. possibly mr mold
mircea_popescu: ancient trilema article, same idea "your country as a hotel ; or a change of perspective".
mircea_popescu: was kinda curious who else had it
mircea_popescu: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-concerned-mans-safety-broke-hotel-room-shot-death/ << all that google dregs up worth the mention
assbot: Police were Concerned for Man’s Safety, So they Broke into His Hotel Room and Shot Him to Death | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTXh1e )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125030 << dude, he just fills the chan with random stuff nobody understands! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 10:03:53; cazalla: unban vexual da fuck is this racism against true blue australians :\
mircea_popescu: a) that tony robinson dude is pretty disorganised in speech ; b) http://saltydroid.info/krispen-culbertson-william-may-lawyer-seo-associates/ lol!
mircea_popescu: neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up
asciilifeform: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/07/technology/tiversa-labmd-ftc/index.html << l0ltr0nic
assbot: Whistleblower accuses cybersecurity company of extorting clients - May. 7, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTYtln )
davout: gavinandresen: "wumpus: yes. An increase to the max block size must be preceded or accompanied by a limit on the UTXO set size, I think." <<< top kek
mircea_popescu: lol they seriously still going with that stupid shit ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, "fell in the latrine, can't help but flail arms now"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this a "grassroots" "whistleblower" ? :D
davout: "we heard you didn't like limits, so we put a limit in your removal of limits so you can limit while not being limited"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know. but it's hilarious.
asciilifeform: and i bet - largely factual
mircea_popescu: "In 2010, Tiversa scammed LabMD, a cancer testing center in Atlanta, Wallace testified. Wallace said he tapped into LabMD's computers and pulled the medical records."
mircea_popescu: so how exactly was this NOT a hack
mircea_popescu: "We were a small company," he said. "It's not like we had millions of dollars to fight this and tons of employees." << yeah, the fetlife style. "we suck, but that's ok because we are small". herpy-derp, stick to twitter.
mircea_popescu: "LabMD wasn't the first time Tiversa's false hacks made national news," so how is it false ?
asciilifeform: ianal - but what, i wonder, is the american law re: extortion using regulatory officials? i.e. can you demand $x to stay silent about rats in a restaurant ?
mircea_popescu: obviously ?
mircea_popescu: that's the entire fucking insistution of the settlement.
mircea_popescu: "you fucked up, eiother you pay me or i sue"
asciilifeform: settlement, irrc, is a tort law concept and doesn't work in criminal law (outside of medieval 'bote', 'weregeld', etc)
asciilifeform: the impression i got from the linked piece is that the hackability of derpco. or whatnot was a crown criminal matter
mircea_popescu: so how did brock pierce avoid 20 to life then ?
asciilifeform: asset.
mircea_popescu: yes, but formally.
mircea_popescu: he... settled.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00024616 = 26.1176 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: with the victims, or as michael jackson's hologram would say, "ALLEGED!!1"
asciilifeform: one can bribe a victim to avoid the latter filing charges. but crown has the option to prosecute if it wants
mircea_popescu: !up SamouraiWallet
SamouraiWallet: Hello, thank you mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no standing without witness.
SamouraiWallet: getting setup on wot right now
mircea_popescu: sure SamouraiWallet . who're you ?
davout: http://gavinandresen.ninja/utxo-uhoh <<< apparently gavinandresen is looking at backpedaling without losing face
assbot: UTXO uh-oh… ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTZ9XP )
SamouraiWallet: Just a fan of this irc channel and some of the people here
mircea_popescu: cool.
asciilifeform: wtf is with the 'ninja' preoccupation of usg muppets
asciilifeform: is there a hidden meaning i'm not aware of ?
mircea_popescu: davout would not work, if he still had any face to lose. but as it is, will necessarily work : has nothing left, therefore nothing to be lost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty. the ninja is the warrior closestly approximable by sitting on ass at computer.
davout: yea sure
asciilifeform: iirc actual ninjas - moved.
mircea_popescu: invisibly.
asciilifeform: what'd they do - recon ? iirc.
mircea_popescu: you can't prove he's not a ninja, goes the broken mental process, because maybe you just didn't see iot.
asciilifeform: something entirely reasonable
mircea_popescu: this is LITERALLY how it goes, tho they're broadly unaware of it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125084 << roflmao ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 11:54:53; cazalla: toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you
chetty: << seriously wonders how mp does so well getting in the head (if they have them) of various libtards
SamouraiWallet: Should be registered now :)
mircea_popescu: bdsm.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust SamouraiWallet
assbot: SamouraiWallet is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: mebbe not.
SamouraiWallet: hm
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
mircea_popescu: ^
SamouraiWallet: back to drawing board
asciilifeform: 'Allowing more transactions with no other changes would very likely accelerate the UTXO set growth, making it more expensive, more quickly, to run a fully validating node. And worst case would be twenty times as expensive; $10,000 per year. Affordable for a business, not for an individual.' << but now that he said this, next tack will be 'individuals have no business running nodes, only Responsible Licensed Businesses ought ..
asciilifeform: . ' etc
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: when we were discussiong this in january, he had talked to economists that said it's not true...
mircea_popescu: now it's true ?
asciilifeform: either this, or the old favourite 'this did not happen, i did not say this'
mircea_popescu: wtf happened to those economists, have they lost their echonomy jobs because of it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha right along with orwell's 'the jingo with a bullet hole in him'
mircea_popescu: (to the more broad general point : an authority, perceived or actual, that faces absolutely no danger in case his pronouncements turn out to be wrong, CAN NOT BE USED AS AN AUTHORITY)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-04-2015#1087741 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:27:30; asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, osama bin laden took it upon himself to deliver a dozen jingos with shards in them right @ 1, Police Plaza
mircea_popescu: or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: the thing does exist.
chetty: mircea_popescu: That statement pretty much sinks every professor and what not in the entire us
asciilifeform: exists, yes
asciilifeform: but rare.
mircea_popescu: chetty sucks to be them, then.
mircea_popescu: but the idea that scientists are not authorities doesn't really need much explanation, to anyone outside of the libertard coolaid club.
mircea_popescu: all fucking science exists as maybes, that's what it is. piles of hypotheses. just like no one can ever turn an ethic should into an engineering is, just so no one can turn a scientific maybe into an auctorial do it.
chetty: more to the point, science is not authoritative. (at least most of it is only theory)
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: (and by no one can, i mean systematically. obviously one can, but only as an individual act. only ever as an individual act)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125101 << i would like to clarify this point at this time, by underscoring that while i do undertake some expense out of pocket, and that may well appear as an untrivial ammount, especially in terms of one's own household, nevertheless : 1) it is trivial compared to the tasks at hand, indiscutably and 2) B,TMSR~ runs immense deficits, as discussed in http://trilema.com/20 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 12:02:19; gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
assbot: 2001: A Space Odyssey on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU0C08 )
mircea_popescu: 15/the-definitive-sovereign/ which are currently financed principally through voluntary donations of the citizenry, in the shape of time, know-how, expertise etc.
mircea_popescu: an exact tally is not even avaoilable.
asciilifeform: how would you even begin a tally, l0l
mircea_popescu: irk?
mircea_popescu: but the superiority of la serenissima over the fiat pretend-sovereigns is resplendent in all parts and throughout. here for instance : at least we don't even attempt the impossible,
mircea_popescu: instead of going crazy in a labirinth of pretense.
mircea_popescu: there's prolly going to be decades ellapsed before the immensity of just this one shift is even noticed, let alone fully discussed.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the golden age of fedualism worked EXACTLY the same : while a king indisputably expended out of his purse, and amounts that were not trivial in terms of individual households, nevertheless the entire machine worked on the wilful donations of ten thousand knights, that actually lived their life in accordance with this particular model deliberately.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, how much do you pay a man to go die in palestina or w/e.
mats: https://github.com/x0r1/jellyfish via /.
assbot: x0r1/jellyfish · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU29DG )
asciilifeform: without this clear thread, one is reduced to 'dulce et decorum est' and other mind games
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: well.. it is, in this context it actually is.
mats: > Jellyfish is a Linux based userland gpu rootkit proof of concept project utilizing the LD_PRELOAD technique from Jynx (CPU), as well as the OpenCL API developed by Khronos group (GPU).
mircea_popescu: pretty impressive mats
mircea_popescu: "Gpu can be used for fast/swift mathematical calculations like xor'ing or parsing"
mats: http://www.itworld.com/article/2920615/new-linux-rootkit-leverages-gpus-for-stealth.html linked article
mircea_popescu: what this is saying is, "Scarf up cpu data, crack it on video card, good to go"
mats: yay DMA
mircea_popescu: dma is actually one of the principal reasons i agree with alf's "current computing stack must die"
mircea_popescu: because really, trying to rewrite it without dma ... might as well start over.
asciilifeform: think of gpu as simply a very poorly documented coprocessor
asciilifeform: that, for some inexplicable reason, most folks have in their box.
mats: and utterly unsecured.
asciilifeform: 'secured' is a meaningless word
mats: afaik only high-end cards have firmware signatures
asciilifeform: as if you necessarily need to reflash the card here
mircea_popescu: mats who is going to check that signature ?
mircea_popescu: if the byzantine problem had a systematic solution, we wouldn't be here.
asciilifeform: mats: the signature thing, when the chipset actually checks on coldboot, is to keep folks from overclocking their cheapo cards
asciilifeform: has nothing to do with 'secure' in the human sense of the word.
mats: http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/a-trip-through-the-graphics-pipeline-2011-index/ series about how GPUs are implemented
assbot: A trip through the Graphics Pipeline 2011: Index | The ryg blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTQwZs )
mike_c: how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool.
mats: asciilifeform: yes, i know. just wanted to share... in terms of security features GPUs will just blindly run whatever binary you feed it, without any kind of validation.
asciilifeform: just like cpu l0l
asciilifeform: what, you'd rather have nintendo-style jail ?
mike_c: I guess because everyone except me is already on the damn thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175550 @ 0.00024846 = 43.6172 BTC [+] {3}
mats: i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have
mike_c: anyway, kudos mircea_popescu. are you going to publish a price sheet or is it case-by-case?
mircea_popescu: gotta ask for what you want, get a quote.
mike_c: k
diametric: mircea_popescu: haha, awesome. congrats on your new business =)
asciilifeform: mats: i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have << but it is not difficult to arrive at what one would rather -not- have. as (i think it was) mircea_popescu wrote, 'i don't lay eggs, but...'
BingoBoingo: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/police-chief-north-las-vegas-mayor-got-special-treatment-child-porn-investigation
assbot: Police Chief: North Las Vegas mayor got special treatment in child porn investigation | Las Vegas Review-Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTREfC )
mats: that series i linked is one of the best i've read about how modern GPUs work
mats: cutting edge for the time, not anymore; for example GPUs nao have onboard MMUs to support virtual addressing ('Virtual Texturing', specifically)
mats: this kinda shit is my #1 time-waster. i find something neat and go down the rabbit hole for a week.
asciilifeform: mats: the rootkit thing is interesting for another reason. remember the era of gpu mining? there were thousands of idiots distributing 'bfgminer' etc. as crapware payload.
mircea_popescu: gotta learn to focus mats
asciilifeform: the gotchas is that -not a single one of these payloads- worked
asciilifeform: unless chump had opencl drivers installed
mats: asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: (scarcely anyone on the planet does)
asciilifeform: utter, complete cargo cult.
asciilifeform: from day 1.
mats: incompetent crapware artists?
asciilifeform: there was no possible answer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) you can install it. b) it might become common in futuree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is unique per card
asciilifeform: per submodel, in fact
mircea_popescu: enen so
mircea_popescu: even*
asciilifeform: i personally collected hundreds of examples of such crud, not a single one made any attempt to install opencl
mircea_popescu: ya well
asciilifeform: to do it, one would need to reverse thousands of individual vendor driver packages
mircea_popescu: the sucvess of the past is no guarantee fore the failure of the future or how did that sec-mandated thing go
asciilifeform: and extract all possible variants
mircea_popescu: even.so.
asciilifeform: not impossible, but uneconomical given the (even in that era's mining difficulty) reward
mircea_popescu: think about it this way : if you reverse 5, out of thousands, but not randomly picked, you can now install on what, 1% of the base ? 10% ?
asciilifeform: 0.1
mircea_popescu: 0.1% out of an internet of things = a decent living.
asciilifeform: (most chumpnet idiots have ruinously obsolete hardware)
mircea_popescu: for how long ?
asciilifeform: for ever ?
asciilifeform: obsolete is a time delay thing
mircea_popescu: but the train stopped.
asciilifeform: the gpu train. the asic train is barely steaming yet.
mircea_popescu: this is a gpu thing.
asciilifeform: (afaik no one has even produced a true (non-metalloidfpga) asic yet)
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the true risk of stopping trains : all this long tail of shit that was supposed to be "never" catches up with you
asciilifeform: yes, but if gpu stopped (as perhaps it has) then it is quite useless to hijack them for this purpose given that asic remains in motion
mircea_popescu: why ? you want to steal people's bank credentials and nude pics,
mircea_popescu: not mine bitcoin
asciilifeform: then - sure
mats: fun fact: there is a PostScript ASIC.
asciilifeform: mats: was, even, in '80s iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.00025032 = 22.0532 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: The fish, it is very hard to kill. I keep holding it under the water, but it will not drown!
mircea_popescu: trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj resolves ?
assbot: Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTSSYi )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125105 << ideally the lamb learns its place by merely being shown the knife. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 12:04:56; cazalla: if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80734 @ 0.00025106 = 20.2691 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, but where is the pig that turns into sausage merely by being shown the knife.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear, in lisp.
asciilifeform: nah, there he is born pre-digested.
mircea_popescu: lol
trinque: mircea_popescu trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << that site currenty redirects to the uniregistry thing, should instead redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt
assbot: Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWdunt )
mircea_popescu: hm.
trinque: and I need to rename my deed files so they're named like that
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt ?
assbot: Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWdCU5 )
trinque: which I'll do when next I'm hacking on it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125148 << it's valid, but misleading. most of dna is "junk", or otherwise put "not directly obvious it actually does anything" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 15:36:17; gabriel_laddel: Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84%
mats: fun fact: Android ASLR is shit because it has a 'zygote' model for processes, which forks but does not execve
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: Recently there has been a flurry of posts by Gavin at http://gavinandresen.svbtle.com/ which advocate << lol just how many blogs is this guy keeping
assbot: Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTTBc1 )
asciilifeform: mats: i very much see aslr as the proverbial 'teacher's condom', as per https://xkcd.com/463
assbot: xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTTDR2 )
mats: i believe its an optimization
asciilifeform: wat?!!
asciilifeform: fuck no.
mats: addressing mircea_popescu
mats: it saves android from spinning up a dalvik VM from scratch afaik
mircea_popescu: mats admittedly i'm clueless, but how does this optimize anything
mircea_popescu: oh oh
Adlai: "not directly obvious it actually does anything" << same way it's not directly obvious that the ceramic casing around your CPU does anything
mats: asciilifeform: monkey patch for sure, but it does have its place... with a dozen other mitigations.
asciilifeform: mats: fuck mitigation.
asciilifeform: how about - incineration.
Adlai: mats: thoughts on ART?
Adlai: not the dead kind, the android kind
mircea_popescu: Adlai not a good example, it's directly obviouswhat that does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly the fpga/dragonfly thread relates.
mircea_popescu: in any case, claiming a z80 and a pentium 6 are "99.84% identical" on the grounds of mass spectrometry is about as apt.
asciilifeform: (re: 'junk')
Adlai: not when you set out to discover which changes it effects in the ALU, and then say, "oh, eip never points at the ceramics, thus they're useless"
mircea_popescu: still not very valid a comparison, because no thiamine ever links to.. acell wall.
asciilifeform: you won't find it linking to 'oxygen must have 16 protons' either
Adlai: a better way of saying this is that: while dna is a great example of "code is data"; most of the data not being code for gene transcription does not directly imply that it has no other use
asciilifeform: and yes, one of my ancient beefs with biological 'state of the art' is that folks deliberately ignore non-genetic mechanisms of inheritance
asciilifeform: because there be dragons or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but now you're arguing with a straw man. i never said it doesn't, i just said as far as we know, it might as well not.
mircea_popescu: and if as far as we know it might as well not, that makes 84% or w/e comparisons untenable. irrespective of what may or may not be the case.
Adlai: for example, some dna plays the role of attracting (or repelling) the transcription machinery, to influence which other dna gets transcribed
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
Adlai: the XX% figure just goes to show that personhood is a little beyond biology
asciilifeform: lolwut
mircea_popescu: housing roofs also play the role of attracting (or repelling) hot sexy soaking wet babes to your perch for the purpose of you getting a blowjob.
mircea_popescu: but that's because you happened to take refuge from the rain there, has little to do with the roof.
Adlai: you'll still need the roof to do its job right. can't have sudden cold trickles at inopportune moments
mircea_popescu: or maybe you can, at some moments. or who knows.
mircea_popescu: which shows us the problem in all its nude glory : ad hoc systems are unrepresentable.
Adlai: wasn't it richard gabriel who summarized darwin as "worse is better"?
mircea_popescu: mmmm
mircea_popescu: maybe
asciilifeform: 'greedy algorithm' is best analogy here.
asciilifeform: (it has a usable mathematical definition, for instance)
asciilifeform: !s greedy algorithm
assbot: 0 results for 'greedy algorithm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=greedy+algorithm
asciilifeform: http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rmuhamma/Algorithms/MyAlgorithms/Greedy/greedyIntro.htm << intro
mircea_popescu: no i know what it is.
mircea_popescu: "at every node, visit the unvisited house closest"
mircea_popescu: very succint, always quick, rarely find the global solution.
mats: Adlai: as far as i can tell, its unequivocally better than dalvik
mircea_popescu: !up SamouraiWallet
asciilifeform l0lz at no one noticing his mistake with oxygen
Adlai: any venture into the "mobile" world causes me to run screaming back to real computers
mircea_popescu: in rabbit news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/ce8c0c9bdba698910062b271e3345bc3/tumblr_n0n6taF2rS1sk3xdpo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTVmpJ )
SamouraiWallet: Thank you
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought it was deliberate ?
asciilifeform: aha sure.
Adlai: asciilifeform: well the number is written right above it
mircea_popescu: SamouraiWallet didja manage ?
SamouraiWallet: yes
mircea_popescu: !gettrust SamouraiWallet
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user SamouraiWallet: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=SamouraiWallet | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/SamouraiWallet/
mircea_popescu: o look at that.
mircea_popescu: !rate SamouraiWallet 1 New blood
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mircea_popescu: mike_c one idea i had while falling asleep : would it be feasible to save a snapshot of wot.svg each night before update ?
mircea_popescu: could make a timelapse in a year or ten.
mike_c: that is a cool idea. yes.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt they'd notice
asciilifeform: it's not exactly a public derpual, this isp.
mike_c: qntra's slipping today. Gavin beats a hasty retreat and new Bitcoin ISP.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64099 @ 0.00025403 = 16.2831 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up tttesstt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda my plan : apply lessons learned in crowd repelling from mpex, mpoe-pr, bitbet practice.
mircea_popescu: yet there's bout to be some "what do you mean my 10 dollah gift certificate/reddit gold/whatever doesn't buy me anything!111"
mircea_popescu: mike_c now that's a point. yo cazalla ! BingoBoingo ! THE NEWS IS CHASING YOU!
BingoBoingo: Writing up the ISP atm
mircea_popescu: a cool
asciilifeform: not as if there aren't a couplea dozen vps crud isps who will take the 10 dollah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol you sound very happy with your box
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: anywya, ima go practice the roof theory.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65434 @ 0.00025525 = 16.702 BTC [+]
mike_c: That gavin thing has to be written up. I mean.. this is what he chooses to backpedal on?
asciilifeform: mike_c: strategic retreat
mike_c: but whatever. as long as it dies.
asciilifeform: he hasn't surrendered
mod6: mircea_popescu: congrats on the Bitcoin ISP!
trinque: !up HeySteve
HeySteve: hey
trinque: hello
trinque: what brings you here?
HeySteve: internet tubes I suppose!
trinque: which ones?
HeySteve: the ones leading from South Africa
HeySteve: used to be semi-regular here back in my crypto journo days
trinque: ah, well wb
HeySteve: thanks, taking an irc break while gf naps
HeySteve: assuming things are quiet here atm?
trinque: HeySteve: just depends when you're on
HeySteve: not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently
HeySteve: something about not being corruptible by corporate or political influence
mircea_popescu: mike_c so write it! not like you write badly or anything.
mircea_popescu: danke mod6 :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1049 @ 0.00101601 = 1.0658 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the mpoe crowd eh ?
mats: mp corrupts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, this is a trope of contemporaneity. thoroughly broke "feminist" graduate student reduced to waiting tables for rest of life will STILL not "surrender". ie, admit the banruptcy of his own stupidity, to himself.
mike_c: I don't write badly, but I also don't write quickly.. my writing muscles are weak.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that does is, prevent him from healing.
mod6: Here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Nuke: http://dpaste.com/0W4PKEE.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALqhlI )
mike_c: ;;later tell pete_dushenski would surely do the gavin retreat justice on qntra.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is running on what ? did you ever say ?
davout: HeySteve: yea, told me the reason he didn't came here is that he doesn't get along with mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: orly o.O
mircea_popescu: dude this shit, where i say something and it gets confirmed two lines down. ima go have a drink.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, i did put a `uname -a` in this latest dpaste, but its: AWS m3.medium debian6 x86_64 with 3.5Gb RAM
mod6: oh my bad, I thought it said "debian " somewhere in that dpaste. that's weak.
mircea_popescu: just says xen.
mod6: yah :/
mircea_popescu: which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work.
mod6: root@ip-M-O-D-6:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150504-orphanage-nuke/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# dmesg | head -10 | grep "Debian"
mod6: [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze10) (holger@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun Dec 21 18:33:39 UTC 2014
mod6: this is the actual gcc version on the env:
mod6: # gcc --version
mod6: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195922 @ 0.00025441 = 49.8445 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/12a868569ab2d31c56508e7f4abd5416/tumblr_n1k8f0mkch1qlnecbo1_1280.jpg << this is the rest of us when specs are being dumped.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALr46r )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ?
mircea_popescu: pov blowjob shot ?
mod6: hahah
mats: ^ lol what
mod6: sorry
mats: not you, asciilifeform
mod6: i was apologizing for the spec dump.
mircea_popescu: mats, too frail to be a ranger, to slow to be a troll... is there no place under the sun left for him ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 nono, it's good. creates a record, we have it for 5 years later when we've foprgotten
mats: i can deliver pizzas to chix like the above
mircea_popescu: mats you know there was an entire paysite dedicated to the concept of pizza-surprise.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, yah. good deal.
asciilifeform: i thought the traditional variant was 'plumber surprise'
mats: mircea_popescu: go on
mircea_popescu: http://pornpaysites.net/review/big-sausage-pizza/
assbot: Big sausage pizza - porn review ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALrAkG )
HeySteve: cock burns via molten mozzarella probably not worth the prank
HeySteve: I recommend the surprise in the popcorn box at the movies option
mats: o hey i recognize the actor.
mats: classic stuff apparently.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134155 @ 0.00024474 = 32.8331 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108643 @ 0.00024301 = 26.4013 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125513 < i think that is outside of my capabilities ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 18:36:49; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt ?
kakobrekla: i dont have access to deeds server
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.0002481 = 3.6595 BTC [+]
scoopbot_revived: Bitcoin ISP Unveiled http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitcoin-isp-unveiled/
trinque: kakobrekla: it's that deeds.bitcoin-assets.com which needs to 301 over
trinque: currently it goes to that registrar instead
trinque: probably a setting in the registrar's panel
trinque: so one way of handling it would be to have nginx or whatever's hosting bitcoin-assets.com do the redirect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62613 @ 0.00024299 = 15.2143 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: last time someone asked me to do a perma redirect from deeds. to deedbot.org which I did
kakobrekla: the way to handle it is to have an a record pointing to deeds servers ip
trinque: that's not going to work; deeds are on static hosting on s3
kakobrekla: yes its hard to work with shit.
trinque: s3's doing a fine job for what I'm asking of it
kakobrekla: then case closed.
trinque: why is that URL mircea_popescu wanted going to unregistry.com?
trinque: this is nothing to do with the s3 hosting
kakobrekla: dns cant do url rewrites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31024 @ 0.0002481 = 7.6971 BTC [+]
trinque: kakobrekla: that I'm aware of; but what box is issuing the 301 there
kakobrekla: uniregistry dns
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2w/4X/1SbUqlhp/dns.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu94Xi )
trinque: kakobrekla: ah, ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108843 @ 0.00024569 = 26.7416 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'll move the static deed hosting to a box with IP soon, then ask kakobrekla to cname the domain to its IP
trinque: *with an IP
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/st-louis-fitness-trainer-apologizes-about-fat-shaming-fan-at/article_4c93413a-13af-58bc-bf05-b866b09d2167.html
assbot: St. Louis fitness trainer apologizes about 'fat-shaming' fan at Cards game : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1QuapNE )
diametric: mircea_popescu: so whats the bitcoin isps stance on bittorrent and dmca violations?
mircea_popescu: bittorrent is legitimate. dmca altogether depends. what exactly ?
mircea_popescu: trinque good idea.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/TheAmericanDream.pdf << mega-l0l ( plain text: http://dpaste.com/0V3TXJH.txt )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4v2f8 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4v0E0 )
diametric: mircea_popescu: movies and warez mostly. not sure your opinion on the subject.
mircea_popescu: shit. now i gotta come up with an opinion on this subject
mircea_popescu: fucking spittoon
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: schloooourpr.
diametric: mircea_popescu, a better question, what will you or your upstream provider do if given a dmca request to remove an ip participating in a bittorrent swarm, or a request for the customer information?
mircea_popescu: if they come here and make a good case, they'd get it. if not... nothing.
diametric: actually physically travel there?
asciilifeform tries to picture this scene actually playing out, melts brain
mircea_popescu: i can see the case, i tell you. quentin tarantino makes a new movie, it's on your box before release, he comes here and goes OMFGWTFBBQ what am i supposed to say ? fuck you, give us free shit ?
mircea_popescu: diametric here, as in #b-a.
diametric: gotcha
mircea_popescu: really, it's not intended as a thing to fuck with people from. it's intended as a thing where to be safe from people fucking with you.
asciilifeform: aha but where does 'my fist' end and 'his nose' begin
mircea_popescu: you're really enjoying this, aren't you.
asciilifeform: from mr warez's point of view, he's throwing packets and orcs come to fuck with him
jurov: something something "defense only" something doesn't really exist
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: omfg rebellion and insurection!
jurov: but, really, congrats to bisp!
mircea_popescu: for now it'll be "no, really, you can't take wikileaks dump down. even if it does 'endanger the lives of agents'".
mircea_popescu: maybe in the future it'll be "no, really, if you made a movie it's not your movie", but i think that's more than a graph node away.
jurov: (and pls check mpex quue)
asciilifeform: i guess my red-hot doug lenat k001 w4r3z stays on kako's box, l0l
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176500 @ 0.0002514 = 44.3721 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: mircea_popescu, makes sense, thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00025699 = 1.4905 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00024326 = 7.8573 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Oh look what qntra story was good enough to get dropped on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35c0wk/bitcoin_isp_unveiled/
assbot: Bitcoin ISP unveiled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4wlus )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00025721 = 16.4357 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/596620227976134657 i find it too funny and don't know why
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125625 << ya, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120232 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 19:31:11; HeySteve: not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:19:24; danielpbarron: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/cqycy4h "Rather, the only push you see against larger blocks come from strong advocates of personal autonomy and decenteralization, like Peter Todd; or the MPOE crowd (regardless of what you might think about them, they wouldn't be any to bend to commercial or government interests)."
mircea_popescu: incidentally, who would win a fight between bitcoin jesus and bitcoin godfather ?
asciilifeform: the elephant.
mircea_popescu: jurov doesn't that guy look exacly like antono derp ?
mircea_popescu: what are they cloning them nao ?
jurov: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: considering any plans for non-intel iron for s.bisp ?
mircea_popescu: i was, but there doesn't seem to exist such a thing.
asciilifeform: kako found some iirc
jurov: or arm servers?
asciilifeform: i think that's what he had
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ?
kakobrekla: https://www.scaleway.com
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWWyx9 )
jurov: kakobrekla: but that's their proprietary rack, no?
kakobrekla: i guess so
jurov: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2122028/hp-launches-arm-blade-servers-linux-support
assbot: HP launches ARM-based blade servers with Linux support- The Inquirer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJiEK )
jurov: dell has same thing
jurov: http://www.wired.com/2011/11/calxeda/ these apparently went out of bsnss
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJnby )
asciilifeform: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2406542/twitter-now-lets-you-embed-playable-ms-dos-games-into-tweets?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=Cpc&utm_campaign=Inquirer%252BReferral&WT.mc_is=977=obinsource << mega-l0l
assbot: Game over: Twitter disables support for embeddable MS-DOS games- The Inquirer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJvaV )
jurov: http://www.pogolinux.com/products/blade-rackmount-servers << opteronz
assbot: Blade Servers, Linux Workstations, 1u Servers, Computer Server, Server Hardware | Pogo Linux, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJwvH )
BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines
jurov: but that's NAS, not servers
jurov: http://www.supermicro.nl/Aplus/system/3U/3012/AS-3012MA-H12TRF.cfm this looks more like it
assbot: Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | A+ Servers | 3U | 3012MA-H12TRF ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJXpF )
jurov: BISP can buy one or two and resell per node to us paupers
mircea_popescu: i could see that
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125321 <<< i doubt he'll come (he's off chasing herbalife past few years) but it'd be good to see saltydroid turn up here ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 17:26:03; mircea_popescu: neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up
BingoBoingo: jurov: That is a sexy find
mircea_popescu: and speaking of sexy finds, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mde0owFQsO1r8sefzo1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALKvf9 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125774 << try and find -any- of their items, for any price ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 22:45:35; *: BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the last importer appears to have vanished
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can only hope their AMD investment wasn't entirely about keeping AMD's silicon less backdoored or making it differently backdoored
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: quite possibly just a paper game.
BingoBoingo: Probably, but it may be a small step towards china saying fuck the x86-MS warez game and moving to Ubuntu warez
asciilifeform: why then would they buy an x86 maker ?
asciilifeform: the overall picture is not encouraging. we are -this- close to a total intel monopoly on serious iron
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Access to their logo and markets familiar with their name
cazalla: mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014
asciilifeform: (i am deliberately not counting exotica made by other usg muppets, e.g., the (former) ibm's old 'power' chips, etc.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that this is tiny.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: already the choice is between 'intel' and 'bring your own collectible ancestral cpu'
mircea_popescu: pretty much
BingoBoingo: At least enough silicon is servicable that it is not necessary to sign transactions with http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041X6B3M/
assbot: Amazon.com : *Drafting Kits, Study, Tools, Geometry, Items, Mathematical Instruments, 1, Tin Container, Set, Of, Dunbar, Oxford, Items, Complete & Accurate, With, Compass, Divers, 2 Pencils, 1-3.5" 1-6", Ruler 6", 45 & 60 Degree, Set Squares, 180 Degree, Protractor, Eraser, Pencil Sharpener, Etc., U ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALL4pj )
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: anyway, this isn't a problem to charge at.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Analogue mathematical instruments
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: charge at ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, charge, frontal assault
asciilifeform: for argument's sake, what would this consist of ?
mircea_popescu: "fuck intel, we will subsidize X, because we are so big and powerful we can just crush it outright"
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: who we
mircea_popescu: same we that crushed cisco, for argument's sake.
asciilifeform: cisco was already tied to the firing post
asciilifeform: (and, one could note, was shot with a very small pistol and will be thrashing around for quite some time to come)
mircea_popescu: hey, you asked.
asciilifeform: intel has nothing remotely resembling a serious enemy
asciilifeform: the secret to killing intel (in the sense of crafting a replacement which pushes the bits -that actually need pushing- at competitive speed at competitive cost) is to ditch x86 and even unix, all the way to von neumann; then can use si fab processes circa 1994 or so
asciilifeform: (i sorta have an entire www about this)
asciilifeform: but this is not news.
asciilifeform: nor, afaik, are the resources available for this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71068 @ 0.00024859 = 17.6668 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: this is, to put it as briefly as possible, is because 'greedy algorithm'.
Adlai: gotta put hashes on the blockchain and hellfires in windows
asciilifeform realizes he ought to have kept track of previous threads concerning this boojum. there are at least 7
mircea_popescu: same reason intel's fundamentally unconcerning : all greedy algorithms are vulnerable to other greedy algorithms. that's what it means.
mircea_popescu: the only way to gain immunity to them is to not be one.
asciilifeform: meanwhile all of our infrastructure runs on intel boxen.
mircea_popescu: and all we eat are cows.
asciilifeform: which, from '08 or so, are boobytrapped in several interesting documented (and undocumented) ways.
mircea_popescu: which is not, in and of itself, useful.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: 'glass cannon', at the least.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, we don't have, nor can we get just yet, the hard guarantees we'd like, and it'd altogether seem we're entitled to, by the shape of the space of logical possibility.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, soft guarantees can be extractred from the unloving tits of mother nature, and so they will be.
williamdunne: 20:09:56 - mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it. <<< what is this?!
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzVsq )
asciilifeform: i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, is my discussion of water captive in a glass part of the 7 ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: that came up at least 2ce
mircea_popescu: aha yeah irc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps << To be fair they gave Itanic the old college try
asciilifeform: incidentally, situation is more depressing than could be, because the usual principle of 'the thing waiting to catch the falling corpse is us' does not apply here. when intel dies, the corpse will be eaten by arm
asciilifeform: which is likewise turdalicious usg tentacle.
asciilifeform: and the worst architecture i've ever had the misfortune to work with. just about worse than x86 from a fits-in-brain perspective
asciilifeform: plus smarmily pseudo-decentralized
williamdunne: Awesome
asciilifeform: (there are 1,001
asciilifeform: licensees
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason for this is because we're not big enough yet lol. "the next builders of roads once the romans croak will still not be the huns". well.... yes.
asciilifeform: but they all make turd built from same circuit)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53682 @ 0.00024882 = 13.3572 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microshit was unable to bake a reasonable compiler for itanic. hence it sank.
mircea_popescu: nobody was.
asciilifeform: (vliw is a bitch to compile for)
mircea_popescu: the itanic thing was perhaps the breaking point for FOSS, in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: i've been thinking when it jumped the shark
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: iirc gcc was the -only- working compiler for itanic, for ages
mircea_popescu: aaaannnddd ?
mircea_popescu: "we owned windows, now what."
asciilifeform: intel never had any purpose in life other than to operate as microshit's partner in crime
mircea_popescu: (and it didn't really work well enough - which was perhaps correctly blamed on the proc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody asks intel. the idea was, if FOSS actually can deliver on the promises it makes, then it takes over at that juncture.
asciilifeform: takes over what, the fab ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00025407 = 11.9413 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no, computing. "the only way to run a computer today is with an intel itanium running debian"
asciilifeform: l0l why not dec alpha ?
mircea_popescu: those were expensive.
asciilifeform: one of the cleanest, most well-documented (fit in a thin paperback book - whole fucking machine, not only cpu)
asciilifeform: and -cheaper- today than itanic
mircea_popescu: per flop ?
asciilifeform: (both are 'collectibles' and there were many more alphas)
BingoBoingo: Alpha still kinda expensive
mircea_popescu: heh. collectibles are not this.
asciilifeform: itanic is a collectible
BingoBoingo: 6502 finally becoming collectible
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125656 <<< here's the after shot in any case https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-D6KxbCQAEkB4A.jpg:large ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 19:47:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUBy9s )
asciilifeform: ^ rabies ?
cazalla: reverse image search for that on google throws back "dubai porta potties"
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.820017, Best ask: 243.84096, Bid-ask spread: 0.02094, Last trade: 243.84096, 24 hour volume: 81714.51890000, 24 hour low: 235.368711, 24 hour high: 247.124178, 24 hour vwap: 239.998074291
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's photochopped. i can tell by some pixels.
BingoBoingo: !up tteesstt
BingoBoingo: Hello tteesstt
BingoBoingo: In which Hearn gets specially singled out for being a weirdo again http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34090559/
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUDhvi )
BingoBoingo: (at the end)