MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, agreed :D but i think they are interested in making their own dogfood
Duffer1: i expect they'll still try to do an exchange, i have doubts about longevity of the venture though
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: What I mean is if you want to run something as a "Trust" for patrons, you do indeed need to dogfood it instead of depositing with Gox.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00086258 = 12.5074 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: the plans of the sm exchange go back to at least november. a "ny based exchange" was mentioned several times during the senate hearings and i guess that's no coincidence. also a bitlicense was promoted via the press at that time.
MAKABEakira: dexX7, good catch. i love the way they float the ideas until they coalesce into precipitate. makes the fanclub think that these things 'just appear' somehow
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy is reasonably well known. at least by btc standards at any rate.
mod6: cool summary, bitcoinpete
mircea_popescu: what i don't love is how many people need to be hurt into comprehending that they're better off following than trying to lead.
BingoBoingo: Well since the gox collapse last names with the Si* pattern of spelling are hard to track without pulling the redbook out of its safe place
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2394 @ 0.00052297 = 1.252 BTC [-] {14}
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, i am not up to speed on bitbet. are they buy|sell|trold?
grubles: mp runs / owns bitbet, correct?
joecool: mircea_popescu: i never can tell if you're serious or trolling most of the time, imma roll with it though
joecool: how do i know you're not trolling right now?
grubles: who owns the other half, if I might ask?
joecool: oh well, i respect the mystery
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, is hreniuc a common surname in RO
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00086245 = 18.0252 BTC [-] {2}
MAKABEakira: according to all my armenian friends (and in LA, you cannot not have them) they are all the direct issue of the big G himself.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're discussing bitbet, i dunno if this was ever published, but
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN
mircea_popescu: that's the address paying the house bets, refunds, referrals.
MAKABEakira: yes none of that blue horde discount mongol crap.
dexX7: quick, get a blockchain.info tag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100103 BTC [-]
MAKABEakira: top bet 10k BTC. whats that, only $30/day rise every day till then, to win it.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu does the bet stand even w/out gox in the pix
dexX7: snackman still posts comments on bb? :D
dexX7: ah no, it was an old one
MAKABEakira: a sub 20 min bet time limit would be useful
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we have been doing some auditing on bitbet : the total BTC held in currently published addresses is 1778.18326295.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the total actual exposure bitbet has to bets (ie, stuff people bet that hasn't been yet resolved) is 414.9x
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: What sort of TV projects do you have experience working on if you care to answer?
mircea_popescu: this means that if you bet 1350 btc or less you are guaranteedly going to be paid out (should you win) with btc that are already held from old bets.
MAKABEakira: i am working with a team that produces a nationally syndicated game show on US TV
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira so why can't these be week bets like in sane land ?
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, live TV project needs live TV timeframes
BingoBoingo: You can answer this next question or decline it as you wish, but Jeopardy?
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, no sir. not *that* famous. but a hint. this show knocked wheel of fortune out of several markets
MAKABEakira: despite being a very different kind of show
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, honesly this got less interesting when you said game show. Honestly I was hoping you'd say drama, like The Blacklist, Almost Human, Archer, Chozen, or Hannibal
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, not much you can do in drama with audience interaction, which is what we specilize in. standup project in works though.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we wont do it if we cannot. i didn't even consider this idea till you brought up bitbet, but i like the prospects.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0008648 = 33.1651 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: well, consider the business caseas first and foremost. bitbet takes 1%
mod6: lol @ Krieger using "crypto currencies" in a recent episode.
mircea_popescu: out of that 1% i'll have to justify someone sitting with eyes glued to your thing
mircea_popescu: it can be done, if you have the volume to justify it. otherwise, just so it exists generally, it's not gonna happen
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we have a prod team who can has assigned a staff for that if it is externalizable
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, the thing is... Audience interaction may be good for business but it is shit for art, even barely art art
BingoBoingo: mod6: Kenny Loggins was the greater part of that though.
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, not even pretending we are making art. can't all be freewheeling bitcoin barons alas
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Why a Baron. Maybe I'm a duke. Maybe I am far less. Perhaps just a footman, or even a much lesser hallboy.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I'm actually starting to like it's followup Chozen. Reminds me of Bitcointalk last summer.
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira in principle it is externalisable, but in practice it's a problematic point, because if you scam the users on my trademark i'll have to kill you.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we are pretty visible, kinda hard to run from the romanian a-team if we burn y'all
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, i'll update you after i due dilly on this plan a bit.
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: who says he even hires Romanian. Trilema shows he tries to avoid it as much as possible
dexX7: MAKABEakira: what length has an episode of your show?
dexX7: because you may need to keep in mind that there are confirmation times
MAKABEakira: 22 min typically. sometimes we go over. and by sometimes i mean every time
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 21 seconds
dexX7: i heard dogecoin has a time between blocks of 1 min
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Dogecoin also has an arse full of dicks
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, wp. i didn't consider that at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07499922 = 0.375 BTC [+]
dexX7: introduce some kind of "bitbet balance/wallet" which you can fund before a show to skip confirmation times
mike_c: cardanos for signing in :)
MAKABEakira: also, disclosure, this would not be for network tv, this is a smaller Bitcoin-land specific project which will be bcast on web only. its a warmup proj to test workable ideas for a later network show
mod6: BingoBoingo: I havent seen Chozen yet, its funny though huh?
mod6: haha, must be if it reminds you of btctawk.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, show staff wd log in on behalf of users most likely
BingoBoingo: mod6: It's definitely worth catching at least the pilot on the shady streaming site of your choice
mod6: BingoBoingo: ok, will check it out then. thx.
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira a better idea would perhaps be to re-structure the program so as to work better with bitcoin's weaknesses.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Less Bitcoin's weaknesses then its necessary inefficiencies
MAKABEakira: reading WOT> got beefs with gox ppl eh. ne0 lol
MAKABEakira: he -10'd you, if i am reading it right. he banned me from mtgox for having the temerity to suggest he might be helping a crime happen
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
dexX7: how does that work??
dexX7: i want to see where we'd end
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 800 bitcoins right now would take 525811.5155 USD and would take the last price up to 660.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 657.2644 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 11017.05 bitcoins offered at or under 800.0 USD, worth 7802457.34039 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.3021 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 17296.977 bitcoins offered at or under 20000.0 USD, worth 15399449.7301 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.6530 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 648.71, vol: 11355.86477422 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 636.0, vol: 6002.30423 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 648.0, vol: 3599.85123064 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 654.5, vol: 61.92114619 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 625.536, vol: 3119.48700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 20.94497584 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 638.8999, vol: 47.68698216 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --buy everything FUKKEN nao i SAID for btc gimmeh price plox
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14318 @ 0.0008625 = 12.3493 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04 = 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0931998 = 0.2796 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Shit, It would be less than a 12 Km drive to asciilifeform if I wrote off the necessary distance that happens on US 40
ozbot: Drug Screening for Employers | Quest Diagnostics : Urine Test with Quest Diagnostics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0038998 = 0.39 BTC [+]
benkay: most american desk jockies as well, especially if your desk is attached to a manufacturing operation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00086234 = 72.0054 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: gotta keep risk down on insuring those line operators, and can't sow dissent in the ranks by testing the operators and not the engineers.
benkay: net result: test everyone. randomly.
benkay: this, as one might expect, is just another tool to control the cattle in america.
benkay: the testing is not random, it rarely even appears that way.
benkay: if insurance companies insist on tests actually happening, managers are discreetly dispatched to discover who the safe testing targets are.
benkay: senior management generally being reluctant to sacrifice the potsmokers, you see.
benkay: the really funny part of the whole charade?
benkay: the post-incident piss test.
mircea_popescu: that a romanian is sitting here laughing his ass off ?
benkay: "did you smoke pot in the last thirty days? oop - insurance doesn't cover that. guess you're out an arm!"
MAKABEakira: next time i have to do a UA (which is never) I should stock up on some methylene blue beforehand
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, depends on how much you like your liver
benkay: it's the kind of hilariously fucked up situations you get under communism i guess
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, we're just acquaintances so i'm ok with some light hearted abuse at liver's expense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except men can't piss in the company of womenz generally speaking
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, when every positive needs confirmed
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, experian will have a whole new report to sell
BingoBoingo: From stories it seems most of the enlisted drug tests now happen as an absorbent patch that collects sweat.
benkay: american white-collar folk are generally sent to the hospital, where the peeing happens in a luxurious room, in private.
benkay: ^^ again with the absurdities.
ozbot: Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Once I finish my write up on baseball betting I might give translating it a shot.
dignork: mircea_popescu: я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин. :(
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3019 @ 0.0008651 = 2.6117 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Has anyone here ever shipped an oil painting before?
BingoBoingo: Thanks. I've got a piece to sell, because fucking Dreamhost emailed me that the hosting's renewal is coming up soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008651 = 4.9311 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.00590045 = 2.0475 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.003789 = 0.9662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14421 @ 0.00086496 = 12.4736 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100002 BTC [-]
Duffer1: "deployed 5 weeks from now" so probably september ish
MisterE: they have missed so many deliveries and are being sued by a bunch of people
Chris_Sabian_: does anyone know what is going on with AM? 181 from last week and only 31 coins this week...
the20year2: Closed on property #3 today, sellers did transfer us remaining rents + original deposits
the20year2: Current income of $1050/mo with 2 of 3 units occupied, next unit will add $400 once we get it rehabbed
Chris_Sabian_: The level of communication from 'Branny' is excellent. Sad to say that it is a rarity in bitcoinland
mike_c: One of the ironies of the stock market is the emphasis on activity. Brokers, using terms such as "marketability" and "liquidity", sing the praises of companies with high share turnover (those who cannot fill your pocket will confidently fill your ear). But investors should understand that what is good for the croupier is not good for the customer. A hyperactive stock market is the
mike_c: pickpocket of enterprise.
mike_c: the oracle of omaha speaks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04300258 = 0.387 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22659 @ 0.0008651 = 19.6023 BTC [+]
the20year2: I try to keep everyone updated. The video logs and the audited finaicial reports I think will put us over the top in terms of quality of transparency
the20year2: The video logs for properties #4 and #5 make me excited, since they're both big rehab jobs and I do believe they'll come out good. I've got part of the #4 video edited and voice-overed. My plan is to break up the voice-over version between properties so I can get feedback on what people like
the20year2: Really don't want to go with the overly-dramatic HGTV videos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0008651 = 12.8467 BTC [+]
the20year2: No , to reach #1m we'd need to do all 4 rounds, we just finished #1
the20year2: Round #1 had 78k shares, 2-4 have 50k/ea
the20year2: It does take a little while to buy & rehab properties, so the capital doesn't get utilized immediately
the20year2: It depends on what the median price is leading up to the 30 day period
Chris_Sabian_: what make you persue the bitcoin option instead of traditional investors?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62226908 = 6.845 BTC [+] {6}
the20year2: too costly to do it with traditional investors, with bitcoin the startup cost was almost nothing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.63494539 = 13.9688 BTC [+] {4}
Chris_Sabian_: i'll see how the next 30 days or so go. i may throw 5 btc at rental and see what happens
the20year2: Hopefully we can get to, or close to full utilization of capital by the time 30 days is up
the20year2: We've utilized, or have in contract about 50% of the given capital
Chris_Sabian_: btc prices are low right now, i would hold off selling for $$ until the gox crap is over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006 = 0.12 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian_: 2014 will either make or break bitcoin. gox, regulations, tax, government interest, huge boost of awarness, it will be interesting to see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0911 = 0.3644 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 642.01, Best ask: 643.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.93000, Last trade: 643.97, 24 hour volume: 13390.95777424, 24 hour low: 614.17, 24 hour high: 656.95, 24 hour vwap: 634.354614252
the20year2: I agree, however it's one of those things, if we can reach a position where leverage is open, btc pricing will largely be irrelevant because we'll just be playing arbitrage on the variations in interest/property ields
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00615999 = 1.195 BTC [+] {3}
the20year2: BTC price would have to exceed $2500 by mid 2014 if we levered in the next 6 months
the20year2: It comes down to waiting for BTC price increase, or increase NAV of properties by 30%, 40%, 50% in a few months
the20year2: The second option will be much better, especially if we successfully start offering seller financing on properties, as we're trying to do with property #4
the20year2: It'll start making more sense in a month or two once we get these properties done, and secure at least one seller financed deal
the20year2: Of which, much would flow back to investors/shareholders because they're paying a down payment on the repaired value, not what we have in it
the20year2: Property #1 was $62k>$115k , #2 was $33.5k > $55k , I expect #4 to be $37.5k>$80k
Chris_Sabian_: so we buy crappy property, put some money into it, and hopefully flip it?
Chris_Sabian_: but if bitcoin price > NAV property then share price should go down
the20year2: It's a hybrid flip , it's the 'get cake and eat it too' strategy
the20year2: Correct, however you're gonna have to see major jumps in btc prices to compete with the NAV growth
Chris_Sabian_: september to december was ~ 1000%, december to now was down ~50%, september to now ~550%.
the20year2: With the scenario of #4, we'd still be eligible for financing on it, which means the new rent-to-owner has paid us anywhere from $5k-$8k in a non-refundable down payment, plus monthly payments of $500-$600 per month. We still are eligible for financing it from a bank (A cashout) and could also get another $60k from the property
the20year2: So, in that scenario we clear still $100-$150 a month in income off the property, still collect appreciation if the rent-to-owner decides they don't want it anymore (Which is the most likely scenario), AND have $65k-$68k back in our pockets
the20year2: So, we've built asset value, cashflow, and have money in our pockets
the20year2: Correct, and you're still allowed to require them to upkeep the property or face default on the loan/rent-to-own
the20year2: The quality level of people that have substantial downpayment is much higher than your $0 down types
Chris_Sabian_: makes sense, $0 means the people have no incentive to make sure the property is kept up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 310 @ 0.0063 = 1.953 BTC [+]
the20year2: Correct, and after 3-4 years, the renters are looking at up to $10k in loss from their damage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00086411 = 13.8258 BTC [-]
Chris_Sabian_: i would assume that you have some kind of background, fiance or history check with renters before you rentent?
the20year2: Social media check, employment check, friend check
the20year2: It's proven that you're the sum of the people you hang around. Facebook makes it pretty easy to figure out if your renter is just a redneck, or a druggie
Chris_Sabian_: So if a property is 30k and needs work, why cant a renter just put the 5-6k down with bank loand instead of going through you?
the20year2: Anymore , banks refuse to lend to people who want a property that needs work. From 2004-now one of the highest default categories is wanabe investors/DIYers who buy a house, screw up the rehab and cost the bank money
the20year2: That's why I did the stock offering instead of just going to a local bank and asking for a loan. The bank wants to see properties in good shape with 3-6mo of cashflow before they'll lend
the20year2: for a owner occupant, they don't want to lend on a property that might have $5k in repairs, or $15k
Chris_Sabian_: and we trust that you can do that. I trust that you can do that....
the20year2: I don't know how many foreclosed houses I've been in that were 2nd time foreclosures in a 3-5 year period where the buyer had bought a foreclosure in the hopes of doing it themselves, then never completing repairs
Chris_Sabian_: what is a typical comission for a realtor when selling?
the20year2: If I have control what I do is usually 2% to the listing agent and then 3% + $2500 for the selling/buyer's agent
the20year2: almost all brokerages in the US have clauses that if the selling agent comission goes above the 'area norm' , the remainder passes through to the agent directly
the20year2: And for most new agents, the cut is 50/50 , so they only get half of the 3%
the20year2: So, with say a $100k property @ 3% selling agent comission they're gonna get $1500, with the $2500 bonus they end up getting $4k
the20year2: Compared to say offering just 4% to the seller's agent, which would result in just $2k to them
the20year2: But , for every dollar you spend on marketing/fees, you typically get 2x or 3x back
the20year2: When I got into real estate, i didn't believe the statistic they told agents. So, I individually tracked dozens of properties in my area that were listed without realtors, vs those listed with them
the20year2: There was one subdivision close to me where every single house was a cookie cutter design , and the FSBOs averaged $97k , agent listings averaged $116k or so
the20year2: Sales price, not asking price. FSBOs were around 140 days on market, agent listed ones were around 100 too
ThickAsThieves: [22:54] <mike_c> A hyperactive stock market is the pickpocket of enterprise. /// hadnt read that one, i like it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40899 @ 0.00086239 = 35.2709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00086575 = 16.5956 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14431 @ 0.0008668 = 12.5088 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0911 = 0.1822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00086285 = 18.163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29947 @ 0.00086429 = 25.8829 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00086666 = 18.8065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.638 = 1.914 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Chris_Sabian_:TAT - any chance you will restart XBOND? // No chance whatsoever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00086239 = 19.1882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00086399 = 44.6683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10990 @ 0.00086688 = 9.527 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0038998 = 0.1443 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00389999 = 0.3471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0039 = 0.2574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086663 = 29.5521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00086181 = 72.392 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00631999 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.08710926 = 0.9582 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00631999 = 0.1517 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04120831 = 0.989 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00017016 = 1.021 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1129 @ 0.0001711 = 0.1932 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25785 @ 0.00086583 = 22.3254 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12154 @ 0.00086117 = 10.4667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086655 = 14.2981 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 90 @ 0.60187243 = 54.1685 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00389988 = 0.1053 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00389988 = 0.2847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00087057 = 44.312 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00086655 = 15.3813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00086655 = 11.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07 = 2.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08451 = 0.4226 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042125 = 0.1685 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3338 @ 0.00086655 = 2.8925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0008608 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00085992 = 8.1219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00389975 = 0.9749 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
MisterE: LTC on Huboi get in on the pump
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00572647 = 0.5726 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00600585 = 0.9309 BTC [-] {8}
cazalla: litecoin is like the kid who said his $2 shop game of brick is the same as tetris on a gameboy (bitcoin)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00085979 = 47.0305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085997 = 13.3295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08428 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00056897 = 0.1684 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00085997 = 14.4905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00086162 = 12.8812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12050 @ 0.0001469 = 1.7701 BTC [-] {20}
gribble: Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 290189 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 114 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4219760456.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.58873
cazalla: didn't think it would stay under 10%
Neil: Doesn't need much of a pause to get there
cazalla: it'll be a close one re: the under 10% bet
Neil: Close ones like that can make a killing for bitbet
Neil: That was my bet I think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086455 = 16.4697 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 290190 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4214894904.81 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.46122
Neil: I think block 290303 needs to have a timestamp of 13/03/2014 05:57:02 or laster. But not certain.
Neil: Well I had the initial bet. Not bet since then... but it'd be a nice win if it happens
Neil: Got another chance in 2 weeks even if this misses
cazalla: 10% this cycle is a bit of a lull, fingers crossed for 30%+ next
Neil: cazalla: Yeah I think that's not gonna happen
Neil: The amount of hardware to come online to get 30% increases every 10 days is just nuts
Neil: Yeah they sometimes pay off spectacularly. I blew up on the MtGox $150 1March; if he'd only hung on another 4 days...
cazalla: won on that and gox closing
Neil: Gox closing was one of my bets too; I got that one right :) Just a bit too early...
cazalla: why would you bet gox above 150 then?
Neil: Well 25 mins between blocks is feeling good at the moment :)
cazalla: seemed both went hand in hand, at least to me
Neil: cazalla: Never thought they'd go before Mar 1st. Also bets were from last year
Neil: I viewed it more as a BTC bet, y'know.
Neil: It only became a gox bet in the last 2 weeks
cazalla: i bailed on them after the 5m confiscation
cazalla: if it was obvious to me at that point, i don't doubt smarter people bailed long before that
Neil: I had nothing there; know many who did though. And ID etc.
cazalla: I am worried about ID, I cancelled/deleted my account which after 90 days they said they purge details but I fucking doubt it
gribble: Current Blocks: 290192 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4213254524.19 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.41823
Neil: I doubt they deleted anything
Neil: Some of my old transactions could be found on that web page that was put up, but some weren't there either. Very odd.
Neil: Karpeles seems to have been a complete fuckwit who just didn't take anything seriously; least of all other people's money. Assuming there wasn't fraud.
btcinmypocket: Neil: Well, that data was provided by someone(s) who had the lack of ethics to include bitcoin stealing trojans in with the publication, so I don't doubt you have finding problem with the records. I would expect that they would mess with a bit if there is incentive.
Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary.
Neil: Confirmed total: 12,479 BTC on bitbet's site. I'm well over 5% of that.
cazalla: what's your track record like
cazalla: did you bet on kuka? (how disappointing)
Neil: Was doing very well until Gox 1Mar and the (inconsistent IMO) decision that was made on SDICE (where market cap was zero but share price was above XX). But whatever. Still above water, but only just.
Neil: Lots of small wins; 2 big losses.
Neil: My history is over 10%
Neil: But I don't use 1 address
Neil: Wouldn't say no if we happen to meet one day :)
cazalla: i learned that i shouldn't try to chug champagne from the bottle
cazalla: blow fish face but i was desperate to drink, nothing in the house but this crap
cazalla: if i was sober, i'd shut up and read more logs
cazalla: i can't remember the article but it mentioned idiots who happened across bitcoin and made some money
Neil: Well if it hits $5k I'm retiring.
gribble: Current Blocks: 290195 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 108 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 48 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
cazalla: 5k would allow me to buy a nice acreage, lambo but more importantly, fuck some of the wifes friends with insane display of wealth
cazalla: i could fuck them now but she'd leave me
cazalla: or maybe she will leave me later and like most fools, easy come, easy go
Neil: If it gets to $5k I imagine it'd be possible to spend most places; no need for fiat any more. Certainly given a year or two at that level.
Neil: Look forward to Yellen justifying her Ponzi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44373 @ 0.00085906 = 38.1191 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00085805 = 17.5471 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 42 @ 0.00267704 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {6}
cazalla: find that bitcoin the garbage file?
C01DA51CE: i think it was of kakobreklas sister
kakobrekla: i dont have either so you must be stoned.
C01DA51CE: what do you think of the bitcoinshop.us
kakobrekla: i thought you gonna carry on with the insults
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1121 @ 0.00015001 = 0.1682 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00389975 = 0.39 BTC [-]
cazalla: imagine taking a haircut from the cypriot government
cazalla: and then NEOBEO comes and takes the remaining 90%
cazalla: yeah, i am drunk and really should go to bed
cazalla: channel is so quiet during my nights
KRS1: i am +5 and after midnight bitcoin chans here are dead
KRS1: yes i dont like them
C01DA51CE: have you ever had one fresh off the vine?
KRS1: only from the store
cazalla: the fruit has nothing to do with NZ btw
C01DA51CE: store kiwis suck u have to have a back yard kiwi
KRS1: ill have to remember that..but they also have hair on them as if the hairs are whiskers from a 3 day shaven sailor.
cazalla: you can eat the skin and all
KRS1: i dont like the mango skin..and they grow like mad here
cazalla: it's good for you and saves cutting it up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00600096 = 0.4801 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40745 @ 0.00085872 = 34.9885 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56397 @ 0.00085654 = 48.3063 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 91 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.7103% in 0d 13h 28m 27s
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4227111624.54 based on data since last change | 4466857657.25 based on data for last three days
KRS1: a friend of mine is selling 2 x BFL 60 ghash miners and 2 jalapenos if anyone is interested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15921 @ 0.00086085 = 13.7056 BTC [+]
C01DA51CE: what a bunch of whores these girls are now
KRS1: bachelor life for me
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c he has good points on the topic. then people wonder why he wasn't ever a topic of study by acaemia. which academia, the one that subsits on ex hedge fund manager alumni bequests ?
mircea_popescu: the20year you can end up with a tv show on top of everything, maybe put a little effort into it, curate a youtube channel, do some blogwork/outreach
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Chris_Sabian i wouldn't be too worried about it. 2013 made bitcoin, it's a cut deal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.00389975 = 1.3064 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary. << how much is that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00614863 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086085 = 14.204 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Murders Before the Marathon
jcpham: mircea_popescu it's over 9000 I just checked
ozbot: How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept
ThickAsThieves: "An implant plug-in named CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE, for example, is used to take over a targeted computer’s microphone and record conversations taking place near the device. Another, GUMFISH, can covertly take over a computer’s webcam and snap photographs. FOGGYBOTTOM records logs of Internet browsing histories and collects login details and passwords used to access websites and email
ThickAsThieves: accounts. GROK is used to log keystrokes. And SALVAGERABBIT exfiltrates data from removable flash drives that connect to an infected computer."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00627804 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.8910% in 0d 11h 56m 42s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00628292 = 0.1194 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4233978876.69 based on data since last change | 4459038639.54 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33848 @ 0.0008602 = 29.116 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 290222 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 81 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 14 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4233978876.69 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.96136
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 88 @ 0.00629001 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: mircea_popescu: More than I thought... I keep a record of it all
Neil: "BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 6.00000000 BTC on No" << wow, that's almost reckless
Neil: Little upside lot of downside. Just IMO.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
Neil: When do you think we'll have a full difficulty period where sum(fees)>sum(new coins)? 6.25 BTC or 3.125 BTC or later?
Neil: We'd definitely need the block size limit substantially raised or removed, but that's gonna have to happen in the next 18 mths anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00390393 = 0.2108 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37036 @ 0.00085735 = 31.7528 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Error: "reward" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04233333 = 0.127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.0008552 = 35.0632 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: ThickAsThieves: Didn't realize it was your bet :)#
Neil: mircea_popescu: No way in 2016... I don't see blocks with 12.5 BTC fees, and certainly not at 1MB
Neil: Well I believe the block size will increase. But also with say ~1k txns per 1MB block, I don't see people paying an average fee of 0.0013 BTC. Especially as I expect BTC to be significantly higher than today.
artifexd: 1meg block allows for (ideally) 5000 transactions (at 200 bytes/tx). To get 12.5 btc in fees, each transaction will have to pay .0025 btc in fees. Them thar are some hefty fees.
San1ty-Work: What's the general consensus here on AM and their Gen 3 chips?
Neil: artifexd: The occasional 900 KB blocks rarely go over 1200 txns
mircea_popescu: Neil so you believe the block size will increase. why ?
Neil: It's the right thing to do.
Neil: I don't know, it's my belief.
mircea_popescu: well then here's the caper : it's beyond fucking stupid.
Neil: Can't argue with that.
mircea_popescu: there are two good reasons not to increase it. one is that the larger the block, the more expensive its securing
San1ty-Work: VanCleef: I heard some rumors that they are planning to deploy 1600 PH
mircea_popescu: currently blocks are secured through the process of mining. the hash count per block is a rough proxy for its cryptographical security.
mircea_popescu: a doubling of the block size roughly quadruples the hash needed for equal security.
Neil: These things should be chosen by the market, just like fees. I doubt we'll get blocks much bigger than 1MB for a long time to come, even if there weren't a limit now.
mircea_popescu: cryptography aside, there is the economic problem, : the only way to extract rents is rarity.
mircea_popescu: if there are 1k slots and 10k txns vieing for a slot, you may see high fees
mircea_popescu: if there are 10k slots made just as soon as there's 10k txns looking for a slot, you'll not see any fees.
Neil: mircea_popescu: It'd be the end of bitbet with fees that high.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for this system to be self sufficient, and in this sense there must always be a rarity of txn slots in blocks with regard to txns
Neil: It'll sort itself out.
mircea_popescu: and no, it is not valid to pretend "block size should be set by the market", because of the problem known as the disaster of commons
mircea_popescu: to wit, people have an incentive to mine large blocks fopr the direct payout
Neil: Not at all, or they'd have been doing it for the last year.
mircea_popescu: but the securing of the chain is an expense external to them and easily externalisable
Neil: Pools are afraid of orphans, and that's the way it should be.
Neil: Well, we'll get to see!
mircea_popescu: this entire accessiblity of bitcoin angle is overplayed.
mircea_popescu: buffett explains quite eminently why he doesn't want an accessibility of his stock in material linked yest
mircea_popescu: generally speaking opening any one good thing to more people shittifies it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0062964 = 0.1007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let the people raise themselves up to it, rather than having it lowered to their present convenience.
artifexd: mircea_popescu how does doubling the block size quadruple the work needed to get equal security? If a certain lock on a certain box provides XX amount of security, how does increasing the size of the box make the lock worth less?
mircea_popescu: artifexd your lock metaphore is broken. the block size is the length of a square strip of material
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentally what hashing does : it turns the problem of "cut this thread" into "cut this surface"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0411 = 0.2055 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00085472 = 22.7783 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I'm fairly well versed in block/transaction/hash/etc mechanics and I am trying to wrap your metaphore around that structure. It doesn't make sense. I normally have a high amount of respect for what you say. In this case though, I think you're wrong. Or, I don't understand the variety and thus need more lurking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
artifexd: This will take a bit to type. Patience.
ozbot: Bitcoin exchange for high-frequency traders is launched - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch
artifexd: Solidifying a group of tx into a block doesn't provide security in the same sense that 100 twigs in a bundle are stronger than 100 twigs seperately. It provide security in providing a stable time reference for when tx happened. Completely different domains.
artifexd: Making that reference harder to forge is where the security comes from. How much happens in between each reference point has no bearing on how vulnerable or reproducable each reference point is.
mircea_popescu: we'll have to work at this. suppose your hash function is defined as the first character of the md5.
artifexd: If we assume that md5 is a "good" hash function, then how much data you put into it doesn't have any bearing on what you get out of it. Thus the first character remains, essentially, random regardless of whether the input is 200 bytes or 200 megabytes.
mircea_popescu: h(Women are not people.) = h(Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots)
mircea_popescu: now, inasmuch as your blockhash is 3, how do you know the actual block (Women are not people.) is what hapepned
mircea_popescu: should i claim thje actual block really was "Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots" ?
artifexd: Just as much as you could claim it is mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: but mircea_popescu is shorter than the original block.
mircea_popescu: in other words : the larger the block is, the easier for a collision to be found
artifexd: I don't argue with what your saying. I would instead say that this particular manner of attack would be monumentally stupid in the case of bitcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.0459 = 0.5967 BTC [+]
artifexd: Because when the hash of a block is "discovered" the contents of that block are spread around the world. An attacker would have to not only find a collection of valid transactions and a sundry other pieces of data that collide with the exact same hash but also convince someone else that the replacement was the actual block.
artifexd: You are essentially looking at an attack that is by definition maximum difficulty.
mircea_popescu: but an attacker with a lot of hash power could create two such blocks and then swap them in and out to create dead txn
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why the hash power and the block size interact to create the chain cryptographical security
artifexd: If the hash was one letter, sure. 256 bits? "A lot" is being conservative.
mircea_popescu: my point is that expanding the block size is not unlike shortening the hash length.
mircea_popescu: an infinite block size is worse than the "1st char of the md5" hash scheme i just proposed.
artifexd: However, your point that limiting the maximum length in order to limit the possible collisions is irrelevant as well because there is already a specific place for you to twiddle that will have the exact result you would want. The nonce/timestamp.
artifexd: Your point is technically true, but practically worthless.
artifexd: Because you still have to find the birthday collision. Why would an attacker try to create a block 1 gigabyte long (which still has to be valid) in order to clash with a block 1 megabyte long?
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, i'm not arguing that this would be a particular venue of attack, i am merely showing how my thread length/surface metaphore is much better than your lock/lockbox metaphor)
mircea_popescu: artifexd perhaps because it's the only one that satisfies some other criteria we don't know about.
artifexd: I have a prior engagement that I have to attend to. I will think on this.
artifexd: Also, for the record, I think that increasing the block size right now is a dumb idea, not necessary and counter-productive to the desired result.
benkay: i guess it's hard to see his penis in that photo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17379 @ 0.00085854 = 14.9206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6001 BTC [-]
KRS1: There ya go if you are looking for the red rocket.
KRS1: who knew there were gay dogs..i kind of wondered since I once saw a boy dog trying to hump another boy dog.
jcpham: gay dogs porn was something i didn't entirely want to see today
HeySteve: shouldn't have joined #dogecoin then
benkay: "gay" is a human thing, KRS1.
jcpham: not sure dogs can be "gay"
ozbot: Dismayed by men, 47-year-old UK woman 'marries' pet dog : Europe, News - India Today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4050 @ 0.00015002 = 0.6076 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 339 @ 0.00389975 = 1.322 BTC [-]
benkay: trough of disillusionment? trough of disillusionment.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.59000075 = 9.44 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00591095 = 0.7684 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: It seems your dog can indeed be gay..
ozbot: Can a dog be gay, lesbian or bisexual? New test says yes - Chicago animal welfare | Examiner.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59 = 4.13 BTC [-]
KRS1: I knew it..there was like this dog once who always walked kind of sideways...ever since I first saw it I kind of wondered.
KRS1: And some even cross their legs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00590058 = 1.6227 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7468 @ 0.00014504 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0039853 = 0.9963 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Bitcoin Isn’t a Currency, Can’t Replace Gold: Goldman Sachs - MoneyBeat - WSJ
mircea_popescu: KRS1 there's no such thing as gay dogs. dogs, much like people, will fuck other male dogs if no female dogs are available.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0408 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves starting to get a little pannicky, are they :D
mircea_popescu: then mp fucks their skulls and pisses in their eye sockets
mike_c: then the eye socket thing
ThickAsThieves: they spell out their own doom without realizing it, as usual
ThickAsThieves: "With millenniums of history behind it as a hedge against debasement, the key to gold’s success is the stability and predictability of its demand."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.005911 = 0.1064 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005911 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5107 @ 0.0001407 = 0.7186 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099793 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news, tea party runs off with seat in always-democrat constituency
mircea_popescu: remember, this is bitcoin. the powers that are can tear the powers that wannabe a new one quite easily
mircea_popescu: as the sore holes of mtgox, the foundation, etc etc scattered all over the forum neatly attest.
mircea_popescu: keiser with his tv hordes is still smarting and so on.
jcpham: fill all bitcoin bars with tungsten immediately
mircea_popescu: people seriously think Judy Collins was hawt at any point ?!
C01DA51CE: judy collins has looked like she had facial surgery but she
mircea_popescu: people seem to have this strange aesthetic amnesia when discussing faux 1960s "famous" tarts.
ozbot: Microsoft Windows DirectShow JPEG Images Parsing Memory Corruption Vulnerability - Securelist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085829 = 21.071 BTC [-]
joecool: too bad didn't come out after april 15th
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i find it hard to believe that a JPG exploit can exist by mistake...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: did anyone put this on reddit or we've not told them yet
C01DA51CE: i think its only through DirectShow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0459 = 0.3213 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont think viewing JPG in web browser is susceptible
mircea_popescu: "DirectShow (sometimes abbreviated as DS or DShow), codename Quartz, is a multimedia framework and API produced by Microsoft for software developers to perform various operations with media files or streams. It is the replacement for Microsoft's earlier Video for Windows technology."
ThickAsThieves: hmm i recall something else about quartz at some point
mike_c: directshow is part of DirectX, their opengl thingie.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c nah, wasn't part of directx back in like... a decade ago at least
mike_c: yeah it was, i used it.
mircea_popescu: basically, the dev in charge of directx didn't want the shit in there anymore
mike_c: "Previous versions of the DirectShow SDK were included in the DirectX SDK. ", yeah, they took it out in 2005
ozbot: Grappler Vomits & Submits After Opponent Farts In His Face UFC News | MMA News - BJPENN.COM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00086006 = 15.3521 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: haha " After this version, DirectShow was moved to the Windows SDK". the windows devs didn't mind having it in their pile of crap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00086054 = 9.1648 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, for a good two decades that pillar held. technical excellence in directx + marketing excellence in ms hq ensured market domination for windows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00623 = 0.1246 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ThickAsThieves: what btc venue would you recommend for sports betting
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4224066657.81 based on data since last change | 4501944129.48 based on data for last three days
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April
ozbot: Twitter / tuurdemeester: Goldman Sachs drops the bomb: ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they paid for a wsj piece to explain how bitcoin isn't as good as gold.
benkay: the point of bitcointalk.org being the information asymmetry, though.
joecool: asciilifeform: are you a contributor to buzzfeed?
joecool: "top 15 things most americans don't know about the tea party"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00623003 = 0.3177 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: inconvenient as it may be, girls aged 16 to 19ish are the country.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 167 @ 0.0059 = 0.9853 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: re previous twitter link, i thought he was trolling with his name, but then i checked www.tuurdemeester.com/subscribe/ and i see its fuckin real. fuckin unreal.
kakobrekla: am i the only one that thinks 'turd master' ?
dub: no worse than cockburn
kakobrekla: and apparently i missed your line previously.
kakobrekla: its closer to turd master, by the cover and by the content
kakobrekla: good, cause for a second there i thought i was psychotic or something
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ozbot: Mary Faggoter 1696 - Seeking Genealogy
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KRS1: I hate Wal Mart, but people of Wal Mart website is such fun.
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ozbot: Caption Contest - People Of Walmart
KRS1: its...an experience. Its so big its ridiculous and you can't find help. The one where I live sells everything from sardines to tires.
KRS1: They actually have some decent goods.
KRS1: When you go to leave, the checkouts make a beeping sound. When multiplied by 20+ checkout lanes the sound is deafening. The people are low class and aren't afraid to show it.
KRS1: The one where I live is also 24 hours. Its strange.
KRS1: In case you need like...a hammer, new underwear and a lamp at 4AM.
kakobrekla: i actually like the 24 hourness in general
KRS1: kakobrekla: i agree, late/odd hours are the only time I'll go, if I ever do go. The daytime is just so crazy.
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dub: just a supermarket and the biggest company in th eworld by a couple of metrics
ThickAsThieves: i considered taking advantage of this Target Credit Monitoring thing
ThickAsThieves: feels much more like a promotion that will get me more spam for years to come
benkay: take out all the fiat loans you can
benkay: pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough.
benkay: or just bail on the US.
dub: is she permanently affixed to .us?
benkay: i don't think there's enough 'work' to absorb all the meat that would need to emigrate to empty out the usa.
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its not that americans dont want to work
dub: its not like we're talking about actual work
benkay: are there other socialist regimes with the printing presses to employ such volumes of cattle, asciilifeform?
Diablo-D3: its just that americans have been brainwashed by the government to have a skewed view of what work is
dub: just distraction for the cattle class
Diablo-D3: like, they think going to college means something
dub: give them vidya games
Diablo-D3: protip: it doesnt, and you will not get a job because you went there
benkay: Diablo-D3: are you 'degreed'?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage
benkay: did you ever attend one of the 'colleges'?
Diablo-D3: benkay: degrees are a downright scam for the industry Im in
blackwhite: So I have a question for all you experts. Imagine a bitcoin like protocol that allow you to embed digital assets or watermark certain digital assets. You could in theory imagine everything from digital pokemon cards to creative commons licenses as unique "scarce" resources.
benkay: or straight up reject the whole prop. right out of HS?
Diablo-D3: benkay: rejected the whole thing from the get go.
Diablo-D3: benkay: I didnt even take high school seriously.
Diablo-D3: it was 4 years of attempted brainwashing that I successfully resisted
benkay: blackwhite: sounds colored coins etc
ThickAsThieves: <Diablo-D3> ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage/// i dont consider this a problem
benkay: ;;google trilema colored coins
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I consider it a problem. Americans are turned down for jobs because of companies acting illegally.
ThickAsThieves: i'd rather commiserate with Mexicans than the people that complain about them
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: Im not blaming the mexcians
benkay: Americans are turned down from jobs because the communist government imposes artificial wage constraints.
Diablo-D3: they get to get out of that shithole homeland of theirs and get paid a shitload of money by their standards
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because you'll never find a job listing for that.
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, then you must have never been to a border state
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: all the big agriculture farms go out and find mexicans to work there and illegally bring them into the country
blackwhite: You won't find a listing for that because no one want to take it unless they are mexicans. It's more or less the same problem around the world
Diablo-D3: blackwhite: there are people in america that will take any job
Diablo-D3: there are people who have applied to 1000 different jobs and were turned down
blackwhite: not enough and not for what they will be paid
Diablo-D3: they're turned down for insane reasons
Diablo-D3: "oh, you have a degree, we dont want you"
benkay: no, that's a good reason.
Diablo-D3: "oh, you're too old" (30s is too old? wow)
Diablo-D3: its a fucking job at mcdonalds you fucks
dub: thats cause telling them they are too fat is discrimination
ThickAsThieves: they don't need a good reason in the losing party's estimation
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Diablo-D3: dub: and that doesnt even make sense
benkay: american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs.
benkay: "but my feminism is insulted every day in this gig!"
blackwhite: Diablo-D3 they are too fat because they eat shit food. They might as well die of starvation because they sure will die from obesity
Diablo-D3: they were brainwashed into thinking untruths by the governemt
Diablo-D3: blackwhite: yes, and the sooner we burn the wheat and corn crops the better
blackwhite: ahh I see we got a ancapper in the house :)
Diablo-D3: wheat, corn, sugar cain, all highly toxic drugs that should be on the schedule I list
ThickAsThieves: actually i probably did hire some, i wouldnt remember because i wouldnt have cared
benkay: asciilifeform: i've seen *that* up close and personally.
Diablo-D3: treat those fucks like the terrorists they are
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Diablo-D3: hey, if we're going to talk about fat people, bringing up the cure is fair game
Diablo-D3: the government loves to brainwash people
Diablo-D3: it tells kids in high school "get a degree at any cost no matter what, otherwise you'll never get a job"
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Diablo-D3: it tells fat people "dont eat meat, dont eat fat, dont eat cholesterol, eat wheat and corn and other "vegetables" like them" and people keep getting fatter on that insane advice
Diablo-D3: you can run ten thousand miles and never get skinny, you can eat the FDA recommended diet and never get skinny
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I went from 340 to 210
Diablo-D3: I have all the proof I need to know I'm right. I'm living proof.
Diablo-D3: thats a good way to getting a heart attack
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: the thing is, I lost this weight without increased exercise.
Diablo-D3: so that blows your theory out of the water
Diablo-D3: my body finally regulating itself? thats a GREAT thing
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: why do you hate America?
benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b
ThickAsThieves: just cuz you found an angle doesnt make it the divine answer to all things
Diablo-D3: all you do is bitch when I bring up the fact obesity has been cured.
benkay: Diablo-D3's clearly all the way in column a.
dub: Diablo-D3 is clearly a crackhead
Diablo-D3: The FDA can no longer brainwash america.
ThickAsThieves: i attribute any overweight lbs to sitting in this chair too much
Diablo-D3: I attribute it to government interference in the natural diet of humans.
benkay: Diablo-D3: what's your macro ratio?
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Diablo-D3: benkay: is there a web calculator for that somewhere?
benkay: you should be able to estimate.
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Diablo-D3: benkay: well like, is it based on what I eat?
benkay: do you do nutritional suppositories?!
benkay: of course the stuff that goes in your face
Diablo-D3: benkay: No I mean, is that the only part of the calculation?
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benkay: i'd assume - do you have other input sources to consider?
Diablo-D3: benkay: because like, I have quite little carb intake
ThickAsThieves: i think maybe a common ground here might be, we can all agree that the processed a food is, and the more unnatural chemicals make it up or are used to create it, the worse the food is
Diablo-D3: benkay: its mostly protein and fat
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yes, but grains and sugars only exist in processed form
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: eating natural fruit is about the only source of sugars pretty much
benkay: i'm okay with babe-baked breads. in moderation.
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Diablo-D3: so lets find out how many grams of various things I ate today
dub: is unnatural fruit a thing?
Diablo-D3: dub: like, sugar loaded applesuaces
benkay: so Diablo-D3 once you drop all the weight via completely cutting out carbs, one can lead a pretty healthy life eating the occasional sugar thing (or beer, or wine), provided you supplement with exercise.
benkay: not exercising is just as bad as living on carbs.
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Diablo-D3: 113g of this steak is 140 calories, 3.5g of fat, 0 carbs, 26g of protein....
ThickAsThieves: really i think D3 simply cherishes what got him healthy to the point of fanaticism
benkay: ThickAsThieves: that's kinda what i'm driving at
dub: ThickAsThieves: its the first thing he's ever stuck to for more than a minute
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ThickAsThieves: i have this 3-year or so cycle where i get 40lbs overweight and pick up jogging again
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Diablo-D3: 84g (entire bag is 408g, I eat entire bag), 25 calories, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 0 protein
benkay: ;;calc 3.5 * (606/113)
benkay: ;;calc 18.7699115044/(606 + 408)
benkay: homie you're cruising for gout
dub: what is a bag of veggies?
Diablo-D3: dub: I get birds eye frozen stir fry shit
dub: you are fuckign retarded dude
Diablo-D3: its hard to find frozen that isnt shit
benkay: Diablo-D3: how old are you?
dub: whats wrong with fresh?
benkay: please get some fat in your diet
Diablo-D3: dub: nothing, it just spoils too quickly and its hard to get stuff grown in america most of the year
Diablo-D3: benkay: 18.7g of fat isnt enough?!
Diablo-D3: benkay: dude, thats like, way above what the FDA brainwashed people to believe is the maximum
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benkay: ah i'm fucking that up
benkay: 75% protein is a recipe for gout
mircea_popescu: <benkay> pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. << no actually : take loan, buy bitcoin, give bank the finger.
mircea_popescu: judge can order whatever he wants, the bitcoin he can't touch
dub: benkay: there are few real rules
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dub: benkay: people are different, the only way to apply any science is test your blood regularly
benkay: heard of a thing called an "operating envelope", dub?
benkay: i have no idea what exactly the dropoff is, but 75% protein for an extended period of time is fukken dangerous.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. << most of those have already left.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe we bet on whether gout or kidney disease happens firstsies?
dub: benkay: according to who?
dub: the answer is the answer
Diablo-D3: wikipedia says gout is caused by inflamation
dub: its caused by uric (sp?) acid
mircea_popescu: <benkay> american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. << this.
Diablo-D3: dub: ahh, so THATS what that test is for
pLambert: if your body is burning protein for energy, you will have to get rid of all the nitrogen somehow, which wears out your kidneys
Diablo-D3: pLambert: there is a level where too much protein is bad
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ozbot: High-Protein Diets Can Hurt Kidneys
Diablo-D3: but its a lot higher than the FDA would like you to believe
Diablo-D3: yeah, I wish people would quit trying to demonize ketosis
Diablo-D3: ketosis is a good thing if you're losing weight
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it widely depends on the genetics of the individual in question
dub: if your basis for anything is the FDA you're already fucked btw
Mats_cd03: the psychological effects are what most people are concerned about
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mircea_popescu: in general people vary metabolically two even three degrees of magnitude.
dub: those numbers don't come from science
Diablo-D3: its only an issue if you're eating the typical american diet and you have, say, diabetes
pLambert: when I did paleo, it was just a moderate amount of meat, and tons of fruit and veggies
Diablo-D3: dub: I agree, the FDA is full of shit
mircea_popescu: alcohol that'll kill a pacific islander = 0.1% of the dose well tolerated by a caucasian
pLambert: say whatever you want, but if you are burning protein the nitrogen is going out of your body via urine.
Diablo-D3: pLambert: but we're supposed to be burning fats and protein, not carbs
ThickAsThieves: anyone have insight as to what will happen if abnormal amounts of ginger are consumed regularly?
pLambert: no, burn carbs and fats, not protein
benkay: mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude you say? does this apply to intelligence? o.O
pLambert: your brain needs glucose to work
Diablo-D3: burning carbs too much doesnt work
dub: ThickAsThieves: gingervitis? sorry
mircea_popescu: pLambert that is true, but it's also true a wide array of thing can be reformed into glucose
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably at the worst some digestive tract inflamation
dub: usually too much of anything is bad
Diablo-D3: pLambert: so, theres a blood test for this nitrogen shit, right?
pLambert: you could probably have your doctor do it, but I don't think you can do it at home
pLambert: I think they look for ketones in the blood as a marker for kidney failure?
Diablo-D3: I already did a piss test for that, havent gotten the results yet
mircea_popescu: yeah by the time you have that problem you're well screwed.
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ThickAsThieves: In normal doses, ginger may cause stomachache, diarrhea or loose stools. Recent studies have indicated that large overdoses can cause depression or an irregular heartbeat.
ThickAsThieves: People with gallstones should not use ginger without a physician's authorization.
pLambert: I'm not a doctor, I'm just a chemist
Diablo-D3: okay, one of these tests is "blood urea nitrogen"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's an irritant, right ? it may be a systemic antiinflamatory, but it inflamates teh mucuous digestive tract
ozbot: I will answer chemistry questions for BTC tips
benkay: hey mike_c where did you get that line about liquid markets and the theft of capital?
ThickAsThieves: to make it more interesting, i've had joint pains in my knees for a long time
mircea_popescu: "The past few days I have been doing a model reaction reacting 1-octene with syngas (CO and H2) to make nonanal" y non anal ?
pLambert: non-anal is not the same as nonan-al :)
benkay: projections will be dazzling - the advocates will be sincere -
benkay: but, in the end, major additional investment in a terrible
benkay: industry usually is about as rewarding as struggling in
ThickAsThieves: i dont drink or do any other drugs anymore, and this seems to be leading to odd cravings
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ThickAsThieves: i think my brain is just telling me to eat away pains or something
pLambert: I have heard the paleo diet gets rid of inflamations and discomforts ...
mircea_popescu: just as long as you don't make a lifetime out of it i dun see what it can hurt
ozbot: Wells Fargo made up on-demand foreclosure papers plan: court filing charges | New York Post
ThickAsThieves: too bad, they seemed to be one of the least shady banks left
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's no less shady bank left. they are exactly equally shady, like communicating vessels
ozbot: ClubOrlov: The Crimean “Crisis” and Western Bias
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, "antisemite" is now an official russian govt insult
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's definitely a blackout, it being the message of the enemy. duh.
mircea_popescu: "Former Jefferies Group managing director and senior trader, Jesse Litvak, indicted on charges of securities fraud, fraud connected to the US Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) and falsifying statements to the federal government, has been convicted of defrauding investors.
mircea_popescu: A federal jury found Litvak guilty on all counts, according to media reports. The 12-member jury found Litvak guilty on 15 criminal counts, including 10 of securities fraud. The defendant had pleaded not guilty to the 15 counts."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the glatz is obviously eastern prussia, not western ua :D
mircea_popescu: most of central europe is so dubious... basically you can give a 5yo a crayon and the map
mircea_popescu: whatever he draws is likely arguable as a "correct" map of the part of the world
KRS1: I cry for the 'Peans.
pLambert: My ancestors moved to the US from Bohemia, now I can't find that place on a map!
mircea_popescu: "Suzanne: Well, that could be. The half crazy could pertain to the sadness, but I think it was because I was so on a creative drive and the focuses were so strong in spite of any private grief I may have about my break up with Armand and the wheres and whys. There was so much other wonderful things happening. There was the activism. I was already becoming aware of recycling at a very young, young age and I might say, I
mircea_popescu: might be a pioneer in that because I was going to the Salvation Army and getting old dresses and old pieces of just cloth and making something quite wonderful out of them to dress myself, my child, and to make wonderful clothes."
mircea_popescu: how to be poor and pretend you're really enlightened, a guide.
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TomServo: New War Tard post finally, if anybody follows.
ozbot: War Tard: Russia v NATO: Ukraine, Crimea and the new Cold War.
benkay: TomServo: are you wartard?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
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ThickAsThieves: ;;rate nubbins` 1 Pleasure doing business, clear terms, fast turnaround, good communication (illustration project)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
nubbins`: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 patron of the arts
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ThickAsThieves: "The London-based bitcoin news provider (Coindesk) plans to announce on Thursday that it is adding Bitfinex to its price index, which currently includes Bitstamp of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria. Bitfinex is incorporated in Hong Kong."
ozbot: Mtgox trade data analysis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 220 @ 0.00052955 = 0.1165 BTC [-] {5}
dub: whats the data from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4945 @ 0.00051852 = 2.5641 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8009 @ 0.0005 = 4.0045 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 486 @ 0.00045857 = 0.2229 BTC [-] {13}
ozbot: Naked Yoga Pictures and Nude Yoga Videos
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00040000 / 0.00050966 / 0.00056898 (16635 shares, 8.47819036 BTC), 7D: 0.00040000 / 0.00051735 / 0.00056900 (20677 shares, 10.69731961 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.0004874 / 0.00057500 (77065 shares, 37.56136889 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00045 = 0.9 BTC [-]
KRS1: oh kick ass you can finally see the entire female parts
KRS1: cant help but wonder if you were in a studio full of womens doing naked yoga would you smell ass and vag
nubbins`: yoga pants aren't smell barriers, so i'd say it'd smell the same way yoga classes do now
diametric: nubbins`: i mean not that i'm a fan of WU or anything, but that doesn't really mean anything. I can send coins between wallets all day long and have more transaction volume than WU.
diametric: I still think its a good thing there is such transaction volume, even if it doesn't directly translate to bitcoin being exchanged and moved between people and groups.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if there are also less wallets with most of the bitcoin in them now
nubbins`: you'd think big wallets would get broken up over time
ThickAsThieves: merely to not have the attention of "Top 50" lists and the like
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nubbins`: "Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'"
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ozbot: The Stranger Song | The Official Leonard Cohen Site
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mircea_popescu: KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure.
nubbins`: better chance of the room smelling like dick from the two dudes who show up
nubbins`: got a stack full of cohen vinyl behind me and i'm sitting here humming it to myself
nubbins`: "And you say ok the bridge or someplace later."
nubbins`: but they send a shiver up my spine every time
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nubbins`: haven't listened to much pj harvey altho i've got a few friends that are really into her
ThickAsThieves: i think I've already recommend Greg MacPherson to you too
ThickAsThieves: again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven
ozbot: Tom Waits - Silent Night & Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis.mpg - YouTube
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ThickAsThieves: and of course I must also recommend David Bazan and Jets to Brazil
mircea_popescu: what exactly is it in contemporaneity that fucks everything over.
nubbins`: there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find
ThickAsThieves: usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake
nubbins`: there are plenty of old albums that are shit
nubbins`: we just don't remember them ;D
ThickAsThieves: i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man
Neil: ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend
ThickAsThieves: while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such
Neil: Lots of outputs of size around what you spend is what you want; what's someone gonna do with a 5K address apart from break it up again?
Neil: mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the reason they're a problem is that their heads are full of shit.
mircea_popescu: Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./
ThickAsThieves: it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing
ThickAsThieves: all i know is that anyone that might care how much coin I have, i cared too, i'd show em
Duffer1: i thought that's what trilema was for
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron.
mircea_popescu: "Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!"
mircea_popescu: but i dun see it, i mean what exactly ? mpex has at least one well known inbound address, it shows however many btc
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ThickAsThieves: you say why not be on a list of top holders, show the shitheads the world is yours
Neil: mircea_popescu: You mix wallets right? Inbound on bitbet could be outbound on mpex and vice versa.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Aren't his MPOE holdings largely public?
Neil: BingoBoingo: MPOE holdings aren't BTC.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.66964413 BTC to 21`469 shares, 7777 satoshi per share
pizzaman1337: BingoBoingo: but MPOE holdings are only "paper" BTC, not actual btc
ThickAsThieves: he makes no concrete statement as to what belongs to what
ThickAsThieves: no one really knows how many btc mp has or claims to have
ozbot: Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: yeah, because in practice it can't all be turned into real btc at market rates
Neil: mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ...
ThickAsThieves: that i dont want anyone to know what i have in that context
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think you prolly took an angle of what i said and run off with it.
Neil: 1868 from a single addy
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777
mircea_popescu: Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Meaning what exactly?
Neil: Doesn't seem to me that came from people betting on bitbet; that's my only point.
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN
mircea_popescu: that address often disburses payouts. it's like an outbound gateway
Neil: One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em."
mircea_popescu: Neil yeah bitbet got seeded originally, so as to build this situation it enjoys today where it has a large pool.
mircea_popescu: mtgox runs on 1/4 of deposits, bitbet runs on 4x. fractional reserve ftw.
ThickAsThieves: you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00608 = 0.1763 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well it's good enough, i'll use this as a convenient reference to show that at least one person in zee werld thinks im shy.
ThickAsThieves: i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt exactly explain why me not showing addresses is questionable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00607997 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the exact implementation is left as an exercise to the reader
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion
mircea_popescu: it's not some sort of technical explanation of address showing.
mircea_popescu: why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me.
ThickAsThieves: i'm only asking because i suspect your reasons arent much different than mine
ThickAsThieves: like you;'d prefer people not know exactly how much coin you have and what addy you keep it in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.041 = 1.681 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this
ThickAsThieves: whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying
ThickAsThieves: if i am remotely accurate in my estimation of your intelligence, yes
ThickAsThieves: i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring
mircea_popescu: tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance
mdwu: what is the difference between a poor and rich person besides their net worth?
ThickAsThieves: is searching for why your reasons for hiding are different
pizzaman1337: this is just a striptease to see MP's bitcoin dick. We can't be impressed without a little build-up.
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm just ignorant and everyone knows your addies but me, and youre just fucking with me
mircea_popescu: i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published
ThickAsThieves: i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol.
ThickAsThieves: the answer i got was essentially to put idiots in their place
mircea_popescu: somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison
ThickAsThieves: like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine
mircea_popescu: going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published
mdwu: MP: will you turn mpex options back on at some point? or is it gone for good?
mdwu: did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money?
Duffer1: so.. i'm on the phone with Lilliput now should i cancel the gang or not?
mircea_popescu: mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic.
Duffer1: perhaps a bit too obscure to be funny :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00082029 = 11.5661 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15870 @ 0.00081992 = 13.0121 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00012875 = 0.209 BTC [-] {9}