MosesEX: DOES THE IRS OR FERDERAL GOVERNMENT HATE BITCOIN
midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
☟︎ MosesEX: LIKE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAX IT
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave. << beauty.
joecool: artifexd: hm? i had used ibm and then lenovo thinkpads exclusively, up until today
pete_dushenski: speaking of mobsters, anyone have any book recommendations on mafia/mobs?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions << ya the libraries vs. banks discrepancy is telling.
pete_dushenski: i wonder where in the world bums shack up in public schools, hospitals, and other public buildings.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu quite possibly. haven't been there yet to see
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu speaking of travel plans, some close friends decided to GET MARRIED on the same weekend as the third conference. so ya.
joecool: oh book on mobsters, i haven't managed to find a copy of the book that came out a couple years ago about samsung
joecool: "thinking of samsung" or "think samsung" i think it translated into
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc 1.5.5 was current when bitcoin 0.5.3.was released
nubbins`: most recent is only 1.5.6 i believe
mircea_popescu: wow look at that, jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kako uses alienware only << no, he uses girls'.
assbot: Just remembered this /ioerror statement, after hearing one of the Ottawa shooting suspects was designated "high risk"
http://t.co/9ULzZ3tm1E assbot: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America: Albert Fried: 9780231096836: Books - Amazon.ca
assbot: gnome-shell: lock screen bypass [LWN.net]
mircea_popescu: and holy shit, this linux thing is really not used by anyone, is it ? took until 2014 for someone to mash the prtscr key ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. <<< well they call anything "quantum" these days.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : nothing "quantum" can ever affect a macro object. by definition.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i choked on a particularly rapid tachyon" should be standard blonde answer.
no_imagination: mircea_popescu: read some of your stuff. is it fair to say you value BTC as a store of value and the rest is secondary?
mircea_popescu: no_imagination oversimplified. i mean... it's in the stuff you read, as short as it gets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4111 @ 0.00074124 = 3.0472 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I guess there's no much use to it nowadays
mircea_popescu: not particularly useful. i can live with my current key being used but would rather not and am definitely not making a different one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of this stuff is you know, "just in case"isms driven by the fact that a few years ago bitcoin was entirely a novel concept.
mircea_popescu: a lot of questions i can answer atm i couldn't even properly form in 2011, and im sure im not the only one.
mircea_popescu: that emergency messaging thing was more of a "let's bake a p2p messaging app into the core because you don't know what will happen and it may be needed."
Apocalyptic: there is thermos and a third fellow i forgot
joecool: "12 things you might be doing wrong with your bitcoin"
Apocalyptic: I've read from many sources thermos has it, but it could be wrong
bounce: you need a keykeeper? what's the key do?
bounce: oh, nag people. oh well. guess I'll have to keep at it here then.
midnightmagic: the key is held by gavin. satoshi still has it. i don't know who else. I don't think anyone else.
midnightmagic: hrm. there might be a k-of-n threshold split key now, it would make sense.
mircea_popescu: course at some point it had a bug where it kept a hash of the signature and so you could change the message around if you had an older key.
mircea_popescu: if you don't supply bootstrap nodes you shouldn't be running it anyway.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the node discovery mechanism is a fucking hole of the first degree. all an attacker really needs to do is take control of the "last resort" ips and then supress "normal" peer discovery.
mircea_popescu: certainly not outside the capabilities of the us, and a fine reason why stock bitcoin is not safe anyway.
bounce: the windows build is a mingw build, no? kinda useful to be able to build that from linux
mircea_popescu: bounce pretty sure it was mingw at some point, not sure if still
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because underbanked, reasons and logics.
bounce doesn't dream of that, but people do that stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it, they're prolly running pirated windows, too.
bounce: though if you're going to toss qt then perhaps there's a case to drop the whole windows thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00074124 = 4.188 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ? <<< makefile.osx is a steaming shit heap in 0.5.3 anyway. i'll offer a working one in the future if there's demand
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> bounce: why would you dream of running bitcoin under winblows? << I imagine people may want to run relay nodes on Win for variety.
mircea_popescu: and btw, someone has to fix all the fucking magic number fest in the node discovery mechanism
mircea_popescu: it's nothing but add a week of this, substract 51 minutes of that, madness.
mircea_popescu: set this to 0 so that accidentally overloks it, it's written by drunk geese.
gribble: Chaaaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 11 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Chaaaang-Noi> either never have time, or not have money....
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
mircea_popescu: also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ?
bounce: then you'll just have to wait for the book
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ? connect and addnode persist in newer iterations
assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: also, at least at some point there was explicit tor support in the code
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think anyone made it to market ? i think just plans for.
assbot: Pool's Closed For Crypto Money Expo | Qntra.net
nubbins`: i hope there'll still be enough to fill a book ;/
mircea_popescu: oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message.
cazalla: and with that, i'm off to beach for a little
TheNewDeal: kakobrekla has anything come of the pre-log logs allegedly held by Azelphur?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message. << killed in 0.3.x series. one of Satoshis later acts
nubbins`: you will regret scrolling to the bottom
mircea_popescu: am i entirely off base in my belief the habbo hotel thing is pretty much the last remaining, well known and well advertised child porn marketplace online ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The story if I recall correctly was Satoshi said upgrade nao, and then later told everyone the patched vulnerability in pay to ip
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now that you mention it im vaguely remembering this
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: it was the sort of mandate that only Satoshi or what USgavin wishes he was could push
nubbins`: "follow the bit of the crypto coins"
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal idk there were several efforts made so far in that direction by various entities and i dont think anything came out of it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well honestly, back around .3.x the atmosphere was quite different. i dunno who or why would not patch when satoshi said patch.
TheNewDeal: going to need a meme for this. It's not in the logs?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it was still around 10kiloBTC pizza time
TheNewDeal: someone once sent me a text file of the SD ipo
TheNewDeal: but they will remain mythical in my mind
mircea_popescu: thing of it the good way : that much less log to read.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074124 = 1.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00074106 = 27.0487 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla confesses he misses nefario and prolly some others.
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 << my first mention.
bounce: <asciilifeform> which miners contain ftdi ? << no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if the typical USB miner's USB interface is exactly that. then again, maybe best leave that to miner programs.
TheNewDeal: Chaaaang-Noi / goat never signed up for gpg , aye?
bounce: also, git allows for generation of patches that're relatively easy to send over a ml then feed'em back to git.
nubbins`: april 2012, that predates me by maybe 7 months
mircea_popescu: i was in otc before that. and back in 2011/2012, -otc was pretty much like here.
nubbins`: like here, but without discussions
nubbins`: and with noobs asking to buy $10 btc with ppusd
mircea_popescu: incredible, that guy. he's been doing 10bux trades with noobs for what, 3-4 years ? all paypal. he must be married to thiel or something.
gribble: You rated user sturles on Sat Oct 29 01:49:37 2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
fivezerotwo: Meh, it's generally slow enough to be unusable.
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BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: What, do you not like the new favicon?
BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: May you pretty please let us become legit News Outlet++
fivezerotwo: Heh. Oh, I have another job now, but I'll be back at Qntra soon (^.^)
Apocalyptic: fwiw some DNS servers still don't resolve qntra.net, include mine
kakobrekla: >Amen to that, entirely too many assholes in the cryptosphere these days. The entry barrier is no longer access to coins, or ability to mine. It is being able to deal with all the children and pricks that think they know it all and that their ideology are law.
mircea_popescu: i've had him shadowed for months now, he's not done anything. i don't even mean anything indictable, he's not done anything AT ALL
Apocalyptic: western europe too, (the nodes are chosen randomly so we don't have the same ones probably)
mircea_popescu: URL tested:
http://qntra.net Test performed from:New York, NY Test performed at:2014-10-24 02:21:20 (GMT +00:00) Resolved As:23.235.236.98 Status:OK Response Time:0.604 sec DNS:0.241 sec Connect:0.091 sec Redirect:0.000 sec First byte:0.091 sec Last byte:0.181 sec Size:35273 bytes
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, most of the internet takes more than a second
nubbins`: ;;google scissorfight planet of ass
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
kakobrekla: asciilifeform iirc last gribble auth was when nicks were changed, it does auth to nickserv though
kakobrekla: keeping the key on the server would defeat the purpose of key?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well kakobrekla just did heart surgery...
kakobrekla: speaking of assbot, just pushed a patch and going for reset
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 22:05:36; asciilifeform:
http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.
kakobrekla: yeah, say thanks to somenumberasletters guy
decimation: wait, so if windows includes driver, this will only hurt those who use an 'aftermarket' driver?
decimation: or did this get pushed in a windows update?
decimation: wait, why would it be wrong to put a wp pin?
joecool: is cardano project still active?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: By thanks you mean make sausage of?
decimation: like, it would be unflashable by idiots?
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo the letters are right next to each other.
decimation: I can't ping it, it resolves to 178.62.254.13
decimation: asciilifeform: if it's an exact duplicate, how do they differentiate it from legit chips?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from wqhat i understand the problem is that they didn';t copy bug for bug. in that they write even bits, the original does not
BingoBoingo: decimation: None of the clones are actual duplicates, they just "borrow" scarce usb id number
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not even a real counterfeit problem so much as not enough ID numbers problem
mircea_popescu: this is a case of, broken implementation uses its own brokenness to deny things to better competitors
decimation: but presumably the reimplemented devices are 'close enough' for the standard ftdi driver to work?
mircea_popescu: decimation the original only writes bytes in pair. sane implementation write bytes as presented
mircea_popescu: thus the hack makes the sane implementation null itself and fixes the checksum too, while the original ignores both operations because not two bytes involved.
decimation: it certainly seems to me that any owner of the chinese copies has a good basis for a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: that's like "wmd"s and "terrorism". can only be used one way.
mircea_popescu: tho a high court of justice held in serbia, hanging bush jr and co would be a fun sight.
decimation: I assume that's the phrase you were referencing mircea
mircea_popescu: the cheek of them fuckers, anyway. so wait, governments hacking individual phones is a ok, individuals exposing the lies of governments is life in prison ?
decimation: I can't see how normal people see this anything other than bureaucrats covering themselves, rather than doing anything in 'the people's' interest
mircea_popescu: murder is not in and of itself comparable. neither is rape. certainly not theft.
decimation: so why isn't ftdi management going to jail
decimation: I guess the important part is that bureaucrats keep their jobs, not that owners keep their property
mircea_popescu: and that specifically includes "the countries", ie, governments and their minions. it doth not include "the people" as such.
gribble: Error: "urmom" is not a valid command.
decimation: last night it occured to me - what if someone took over a botnet and then used it to - create bitcoin nodes
decimation: that little scoreboard page could register your custom string :)
decimation: well, I like the idea of taking back 'bitcoin foundation', but I find it likely to confuse
decimation: I might contribute a patch or two if the ball is rolling
joecool: woah i just had a DoD ip try to get into my gmail
joecool: yeah "suspicious sign in prevented"
decimation: might have been a misconfigured router somewhere
mircea_popescu: like for instance, when a 16 yo gets her first boyfriend, who is an alcoholic shithead,
mircea_popescu: and then they finally break up and the sane 2nd guy calls himself ALSO a boyfriend
mircea_popescu: the confusion thus created is positive. it's the confusion that precedes the move from sheer idiocy to sanity.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, creating confusion with the current bitcoin foundation is the best thing that can happen, short of the entire group of shitheads spontaenously combusting in a flame of shit.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: this is how derps learn. by finding themselves in a situation where the people they aim to impress laugh at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: the rest is just claims. people can claim whatever they like.
decimation: asciilifeform: I can think of a use for a collection of zombie nodes: discover other nodes and relay transactions
decimation: one might be able to pinpoint the generation of a new block
decimation: I'm not sure they are worth the dignifying with targeting
mircea_popescu: i personally don't give a shit. my thinking is, if im making a backloading hoe, i shall name my backloading hoe a backloading hoe. sure, someone may or may not exist figuring his hoe is THE backloading hoe. this does not interest me. if he has already built a "backhoe loading palace" or not, if and when i feel like building a backhoe loading palace, i shall call it... guess ?
mircea_popescu: the only way to avoid this is being in my wot. which the derps in question are not. so therefore they do not exist.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema nefario, theymos, others known and unknown
TheNewDeal: mp, was that a response to my 'spergily timed question?
mircea_popescu: bewcause the fucktards in question decided it's best to give it to a "safe company"
mircea_popescu: i even said in the log, a year or so ago, now it will be bought off a bankruptcy auction
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'll be the day trademark enforceability ends.
decimation: asciilifeform: no one ones "bitcon foundation"
decimation: but I think a trademark must be used.. in trade
mircea_popescu: decimation you can't register X "foundation" aganst the owner of X.
decimation: yeah, it would probably be a court case
decimation: if one lawyered carefully, one could make annoying
TheNewDeal: ok I understand James McCarthy took the hit for glbse, and got banished to his parents basement for eternity
TheNewDeal: and a scammer tag or two was handed out
TheNewDeal: but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc?
gribble: User 'nefario', with keyid 28DD49E2A68F4B7C, fingerprint 03B47461C1E526576917215728DD49E2A68F4B7C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Jul 12 02:17:47 2011, last authed on Thu Sep 27 07:05:00 2012.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nefario . Currently not authenticated.
thestringpuller: and wow some of the names that pop up when you go back in time
TheNewDeal: I see the reference now - control the barbarians using barbarians
TheNewDeal: so weird to see stuff like copumpkin giving the guy a 4, then everyone else negrating?
decimation: lol perhaps the name 'gaijin' keeping with the japanese theme
TheNewDeal: but james did get bannished to his childhood bedroom
TheNewDeal: all the talk about old people and namworld runs off?
decimation: asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet agent who was like 'james bond'
decimation: I can't find it in the logs, you mentioned him months ago
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc? << no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf even means 'like james bond'. everyone he fucked died same day? << lmao
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mircea_popescu: "my sperm got is how they invented spermicide, bitch!"
mircea_popescu: actually that loper-os artic le is how stan ended up on hanbot's list iirc.
mircea_popescu: ("list of people writing about bitcoin that are not obviously total idiots")
decimation: as I recall, reading about stan's encounter and further correspondence on that post is what interested me in this channel
thestringpuller: "And, what is far sadder, fools invariably show up, ready to part with their Bitcoins on their own free will. They give them up in exchange for promises, backed by nothing at all." << timeless
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is funny because of all the forum derps going "oh, mpoe-pr hates everything!!1"
mircea_popescu: yeah, like that asshole teacher that flunks the entire class, which is unfair, because THE ENTIRE CLASS
decimation: being an asshole is bad pr in the short run, but it's great for making history in the long run (if you are right)
BingoBoingo: So is Thermos still holding GLBSE asset lists hostage?
mircea_popescu: yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it.
TheNewDeal: where can one get a hold of said mpoe-pr eas
BingoBoingo: bitcointa.lk seems to have stopped keeping up
TheNewDeal: thought that was MP for some reason...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it. << Also the part where you stick by saying cares about that venue are over has its own value
BingoBoingo: Eh, when you write off a venue like bitcointalk as worthless, best to stand by that decision unless something material about the venue changes for the better.
mircea_popescu: and perhaps 5k posts or so, i forget the exact count, is not quite equal to that guy's usenet count.
BingoBoingo: Well not with Thermos for sure, probably not with his successor
mircea_popescu: re-reading that, incredible how little has changed since Nov 15, 2012. "get in the wot, read the logs"
decimation: fyi there's an increased chance of a severe geomagnetic storm happening in the next week or two
Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> 6 months thing hasn't changed either // should be 12 maybe
BingoBoingo: <Apocalyptic> <thestringpuller> 6 months thing hasn't changed either // should be 12 maybe << Nah it is the same six months, test is picking the right 6
decimation: we are all in the same big zone together, might as well let the string be 'zekd'
mircea_popescu: "master, how to learn dao ?" "read a coupla lines on it" "which ones ?" "yes"
Apocalyptic: so it's either the noob gets the 6 right or gets only a subset, if the cardinal of this subset is low enough it doesn't help in any way
thestringpuller: "My point was that I have run and continue to run successful business(s) on the Bitcoin platform and yet somehow I've managed to do this without WOT... again shooting your theory to hell and gone." << Don't know what businesses he is talking about.
eth3: heh had to change nicks to get in mintpal's channel
eth3: moolah didn't like being called out on his scam
eth3: nah just snooping over there see if there was any action ;p
decimation: asciilifeform: I booted rhel7 today to find out what lennart has been up to
decimation: it's been 'chromed', looks like lame osx
mircea_popescu: anyway, inaba is the original bfl forum shill / organiser of the original "bfl will deliver" scambets.
thestringpuller: "You hold up MPEx and Satoshi Dice as successful businesses, and give them valuation in the millions of dollars. I mean, seriously, what is there to argue? I've already provided you evidence and reasons as to why the utter nonsense you're claiming is evidence for your arguments is false and you just keep providing the same nonsensical arguments over and over. BFL has sold tons of hardware, that is verifiable proo
mircea_popescu: he's got a legitimate business trading ciggs for socks and sweaters in jail now or what.
decimation: no cigs aren't allowed anymore I think
BingoBoingo still feels warm fuzzies about winning the S.BBET over S.DICE bet win
decimation: "There's been a mackerel economy in federal prisons since about 2004, former inmates and some prison consultants say. That's when federal prisons prohibited smoking and, by default, the cigarette pack, which was the earlier gold standard."
☟︎ thestringpuller: BFL hadn't even delivered at that point, those sales were just "preorders". Geeze.
decimation: yeah they decide hard-hitting cases like that these days
decimation: scotus is so frightened of making another 'roe v wade' and thus lose their 'prestige'
decimation: that they have neutered themselves from making any decisions
decimation: and will thus fade into irrelevance like the president and congress
decimation: well, there's no doubt that there's a megaphone attached to his lips, but what does he actually say anymore?
BingoBoingo: Ebama simply summons Obola to crush dissent
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel << Heavy metal poisoning is slow
decimation: perhaps the presidency will slowly transform into 'the official scapegoat'
decimation: one of the few unifying opinions in the us today is 'the politicians suck'
decimation: a fact highlighted daily by bureaucrats and their media minions
mircea_popescu: by the way, is yarvin still writing or lives in memory only ?
decimation: he put a post up a few months ago that kinda ended it
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Hiatus
decimation: he's apparently gotten himself roped into the silly-con valley circus (again)
decimation: I'm sure when they are done with 'stealth mode' urbit will be awesome ;)
assbot: Facebook pays INFINITELY MORE UK corp tax than in 2012 The Register
BingoBoingo was probably the least technical person to compel Urbit to the gallows
decimation: eh, he can probably gain a small staff of unpaid 'interns'
decimation: heh. I just got a destroyer, and after rebuilding the code about 5 times I said 'fuck this'
decimation: plus, the intentionally annoying 'language'
assbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.
decimation: having to learn runes to read beowulf is one thing, acting as some weirdo's bitch is another
BingoBoingo thinks TempleOS guy is best OS crackpot guy of the crowd shipping nao
BingoBoingo: ^ mircea_popescu contemplating Usian contempt for fertile women
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The Mencius Moldbug Babysitting Fund
decimation: asciilifeform: I also gave a couple btc to his pot
mircea_popescu: is this like "i don't eat anything for as many as 20 hours a day, so i'm therefore anorexic" ?
decimation: I don't disagree with your assessment, it just makes me feel weird to try to learn something that's so esoteric
mircea_popescu: i mean the temporary fuck you is the exact definition of the non-fuck you
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I was disappointed when he cut off blogging after I gave
decimation: he might have had the unwashed masses who followed him 'go to his head'
decimation: asciilifeform: I was thinking about this today, you are right. it's fantastically expensive to feed and house yourself in the us, especially with dependents
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how well it applies, but i have seen this "independently wealthy" affectation too often to count, both online and off. it is usually the carpace of the shy, socialy awkward, intelligent young male.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only if you stay in income trapzors
mircea_popescu: pretty much every whore i ever talked to readily identifies it in the field as mere pretense.
decimation: BingoBoingo: like, live off of usg welfare checks?
mircea_popescu: plenty of blogs start on that basis, which assuages the author's mindvoices long enough to write something
mircea_popescu: then as a sense of familiarity develops, more of truth can be let out.
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, like somewhere rent is $300/month instead of $maxint/month
decimation: To me "independently wealthy" implies owning a revenue stream that is sufficient for a reasonable standard of living, plus cushion
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess it depends on whether decimation means by dependents any 16 yo kids like in the youtube vid.
BingoBoingo: Seriously thoug Ohio is a place. The20YearIRCloud does well renting mud huts in the wastes of Ohio
decimation: right, but then I wouingld have to drive an hour to do... anyth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13197 @ 0.00074258 = 9.7998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: decimation owning "revenue streams" is not so unlike owning women, the original... stream.
decimation: he can rent industrial space for cheap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't imagine post charges differently ?!
decimation: yeah ascii I bet it's cheaper to ship there than to dc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how many volumes in ru or de in the topology section of the largest academic library in ohio? << At OSU prolly a lot and you can walk them out the door forever
decimation: I bet the ohio state university library is as good or better than maryland, but it's also not near any cheap housing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, man. fedex delivered to timisoara nad to luxor
BingoBoingo: I mean even if must live in the bay area, Oakland is a place...
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the problem
decimation: you can rent an apartment for 1k instead of 2k
BingoBoingo: I have never spent 4 digit integer dollars on apartment.
decimation: asciilifeform: has your landlord bothered you about your various 'hobbies'
decimation: the problem with renting homes in the us is that 99.99% of the 'landlords' are just some other chump with the mortgage
decimation: the general business strategy is to spend nothing on maintenance and maximize rent
decimation: which is why renting is not a thing for most folks
decimation: I thought insurance companies drop you like a hot potato if you pull that
decimation: the reason why this works out (even if the guy is losing money) is that real estate is favored by usg tax code
decimation: one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years
decimation: but it's not just housing, food, petrol, etc, all is priced to essentially rob most of your discretionary income
BingoBoingo: <decimation> one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years << One can depreciate house to a liability within a day
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah even with the tax breaks above, a person is going to pay at least 30-40% tax
decimation: this would have been considered ridiculous even by roman tax farmers
decimation: most of that tax is paid by kulaks, to fund programs that assault their dignity and liberty
assbot: Did diversity miss the train in Union Station's architecture? - The Denver Post
decimation: apparently the boring train station that hosts successful business is 'racist', because it doesn't have an african corner or something
BingoBoingo sometimes forgets abused Usians aspire towards more than 200 square feet and a flush toilet in their residence
decimation: asciilifeform: even though hardly anyone is involved in producing food, we are still not free from wage-bondage
decimation: the uncertain money supply contributes to over-bidding of assets
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00073994 = 1.0359 BTC [-]
assbot: Beware the Chinese FX reserve fall | FT Alphaville
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00073754 = 3.7615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Swedish Enforcement Agency To Look If Debtors Own Bitcoin | Qntra.net
assbot: U.K. Will Have to Pay an Extra $2.6 Billion to EU Budget - WSJ - WSJ
punkman: did assbot change how it sends PMs? It keeps opening new windows in my client every time it sends a line.
punkman: "Eurostat arrived at the €2.1bn figure on the basis of new methods of calculating member states’ GNI since 1995, taking account of previously unreported or under-reported black economy elements, such as drug dealing and consumption or the sex industry."
punkman: I wonder what these eutards are smoking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00073878 = 6.3166 BTC [+]
assbot: Caged Tit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: punkman basically desperation is what they're smoking.
bounce: "we're looking for a junior database developer. you will also be our DBA. we do big data and require tsql skills. we're active in 80% of the country's hospitals. we're an entirely microsoft shop." -- this advert frightens me.
jurov: mircea_popescu: jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing << cuz it's not wp
jurov: asciilifeform: yea i'm doing mailinglist
jurov: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who ? linus. << actually he was so disgusted to unity he switched back to kde
ben_vulpes: log.bitcoin-assets.com dns also whacked for me
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: did you produce a blob of Satoshi's writings on the crypto mailing list?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11642 @ 0.00073554 = 8.5632 BTC [-]
assbot: The mystery of the disappearing Silk Road murder charges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0007351 = 11.3941 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ziggamon +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00073449 = 3.8928 BTC [-] {2}
ziggamon: thanks for voice :) Want to show you guys a little project of mine, looking for feedback
ziggamon: www.bitrefill.com, it’s a site where one can top up prepaid mobile minutes, currently works in 115 countries.
ziggamon: figured I’d post it here before announcing wider, if something’s horribly broken I’m sure you’ll let me know
mike_c: hard to know without trying it.
mike_c: doesn't seem like a terrible idea.
bounce: need to kick that osx thingy of yours to make it stop substituting fancy utf8 for simple apostrophes
bounce: who're you going through to get that many countries?
ziggamon: bounce: it’s a distributor for now. If we manage to get usage we’ll go straight to operators, and then prices will be much lower as well
bounce happens to not have a number in a supported country so can't check. I don't suppose you have a list of fees and stuff somewhere?
ziggamon: it’s different for different countries. but markup is generally 10-20%. each supported operator has a pricelist that can be checked through the ”supported countries” bar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6133 @ 0.00073449 = 4.5046 BTC [-]
ziggamon: :) 100 satoshis. trying to get it newb friendly, gives more readable numbers for price comparison
ziggamon: will make it optional eventually. the actual invoice shows the price in normal decimal bitcoin
FabianB: what's wrong with satoshis?
bounce: what'd the progression be then? satoshi, bits, nybbles, bytes, cents ?
mike_c: to me it feels a bit confusing. i look at the price list and it says "for 10 usd pay this bits" and I really don't know how much I'm paying.
bounce: probably not a good idea to invent new terms in support of catering to the stupid, causing more confusion
mike_c: but overall i think it's fine. undifferentiated field so it's largely just a marketing challenge.
undata: yeah I think "bits" emerged from /r/bitcoin
undata: or at least that's where there was a lot of rabble regarding
ziggamon: fair enough. yeah, there’s been a lot of talk about that. not super happy about the bits word, but I do think moving the decimal separator makes sense
FabianB: still have no idea why have decimals at all
RagnarDanneskjol: 'Topup is delivered the second the transaction clears' - how do you characterize a 'cleared' transaction and what method/process is used to fill the phone account
bounce: the saddest thing is that the SI has quite a neat system in place already, but nobody deigns to use it.
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ziggamon: when the service determins it to be sufficiently confirmed. figured I’d experiment with that. currently it happens at one confirmation, will be adjusted depending on feedback, fraud etc
kakobrekla: why would somebody intentionally make change
ziggamon: the topup method is for most cases a direct-to-mobile, bitrefill sends a request to the distributor, who then sends a request to the operator, and the user gets a nice sms saying ”your account was topped up”
kakobrekla: you just make tx larger and next ouputs smaller
mike_c: yes, i didn't mean "really good custom code"
mike_c: somebody had on their ledger two amounts they owed that guy and their code made two outputs in the tx.
mike_c: although.. that may not be totally retarded.
mike_c: do you know who sent it to you?
mircea_popescu is now curious what ppl are discussing, loads up the logs
ben_vulpes: interesting, blockchain barfs on calculating transacted total
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9339 @ 0.00073705 = 6.8833 BTC [+]
mike_c: not the only time it happened from that address.
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 18d8d42c2e09fce04f1613869e4e60beb17a4d311e0dfa452311fb06598c6a0e
mircea_popescu: bounce: "we're looking for a junior database developer. you will also be our DBA. we do big data and require tsql skills. we're active in 80% of the country's hospitals. we're an entirely microsoft shop." -- this advert frightens me. <<< omfg holy shit.
mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who ? linus. << actually he was so disgusted to unity he switched back to kde <<< he kept switching between gnome and kde, at least two or three back and forths.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p. sure i know that company
mircea_popescu: "we are looking to hire a young cowhand, you will also be our napoleon"
kakobrekla: i see mike_c heh. that one isnt pointing towards me though.
ben_vulpes: if it's the same company, they've got one in every single customer dc
mike_c: yeah, just saying. he's doing some odd tx's.
ben_vulpes: *shrug* i don't 'em as hot as you do i guess
kakobrekla: what sort of black magicks is he performing
bounce: yes, the original had "you will be our dba"; also implying probably the only dedicated tech guy to work with the eggheads in analytics
ben_vulpes: if that's the case, they're not the same company at all.
mircea_popescu: "your job will be to write another leveldb to excel 11.2.5 translation tool
mircea_popescu: the previous one broke when we upgraded from excel 10"
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN NOT USE ANY CLI STUFF. THAT BRINGS VIRUSES AND OTHER TERRORISTS
mircea_popescu imagines little shops of horror where excel spreadsheets have little magic cells where one puts magic values in order to cause an excel-to-db commit
bounce: there's plenty of those in tdwtf, no need to imagine.
undata: mircea_popescu: at a previous gig in a consulting shop, we encountered a (subsequently rejected) potential client which did exactly this
assbot: The mystery of the disappearing Silk Road murder charges
undata: mircea_popescu: the effort that guy poured into learning excel "macros" or whatever their called could've been spent on lvl2 php
mircea_popescu: excel has "macros" in the sense people trying to emulate my sex life through jacking off have lipstick on their balls.
mircea_popescu: microsoft just heard there's this thing "emacs" that has these things "macros" so they put a brick in their thing with MCRAO written on it.
jurov: cazalla how is cryptomoneyexpo different from all the other chumpferences?
bounce: it's got a name. "visual basic for applications". great for macro viruses and such. one stop shop for all your office document infection needs.
jurov: how actually? basically it is
mircea_popescu: lol "visual basic for applications". "c for seafaring vessels. java for flowing liquids. ruby for rings". what the fuck is a language for, applications, right ? what the fuck else, gramas ?
jurov: cazalla i missed footnote 12. nevermind
mircea_popescu: jurov does it have cell-aware goto ? so could you write a basic program in a 2d array that's the excel spreadshit ?
bounce has so far successfully avoided more understanding than to look away in a hurry as soon as anything like it comes into view, so can't help you there. so not sorry.
mircea_popescu: and i asked if it actually is basic because microsoft could just as well rape perl and call it "visual basic for backscratching"
jurov: lol it's not inside spreadsheet. i never used it, tho
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "we are looking to hire a young cowhand, you will also be our napoleon" << haha
jurov: embedding scripting lang in the app isn't anything unusual... how m$ did it is another story
jurov: my opinion on excel? "yeah call me when it is able to simply read back csv excereted by itself."
bounce: that was entirely true to form: they announced they'd do it. everybody assumed it'd be bodged all to hell and back again. they released it. someone figured out a virus for it. [x] bodging confirmed.
mircea_popescu: ziggamon: it’s different for different countries. but markup is generally 10-20%. << what i don't get is, most countries have local shops that even give discount. why would someone pay a premium ? what's the usecase like ?
jurov: mircea_popescu anonimity for the poor
mircea_popescu: jurov but i can buy refill cards here anonymously too. and phones, for that matter.
jurov: in the EU? that's not so easy
jurov: but then i'm 100% sure it doesn't have eu in the list anyway. there were such services before.
jurov: exception culturelle
ziggamon: mircea_popescu: You are right about the fees. Use cases are sometimes people want to do it online and now they can. Fees are lower than equivalent services that take credit card. Also there is a remittance use case for bitcoiners.
ziggamon: the goal is, with enough usage I’ll be able to negotiate better prices from the distributor, and eventually set up agreements with operators directly, only then will it be competitive with the kiosk
bounce: you running any sort of turnover already?
mircea_popescu: ziggamon: :) 100 satoshis. <<< this at least he got right, bitcoin is powers of two powers, not powers of three.
assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ziggamon: bounce: not yet, slow launching now, here, on my personal FB/twitter and such. but I’ve gotten a few orders from around the world already and everything seems to be working. will be doing more promotion during the weekend
bounce: 100 isn't a power of two
mircea_popescu: jurov thing is, since all of eu is basically supplied by a british and a french operator, france is good enough, just buy orange there.
mircea_popescu: basically, 1`000, 1`000`000, 1`000`000`000 is bullshit whereas 100, 10`000, 1`000`000, 100`000`000 is where it's at is the idea.
jurov: 10000 satoshi shall be named mircibitcoin and 100 popescibitcoin in the honor of...
bounce: SI gives single singe digit shifts, at least until it hits 10^3 and 10^-3
jurov: decidecibitcoin :D
bounce: s/single single/single/ just a single single please
mircea_popescu: bounce talk about nonsense in standards, right. "oh, single digit then three digit. because fatlogic."
jurov: how is that nonsense?
mircea_popescu: and because "use double digit throughout is too hard, you definitely need and use patent nonsense like deciliter"
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the use case is mostly not for your phone. you are in US and topping up mom's phone in mexico.
mircea_popescu: mike_c wouldn't you send her btc and she can do it locally ? guess not.
bounce: gives a good range and is still fine grained for the ones more often in use. not nonsense to me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some value to that, amusingly, in exactly an end-of-world context. because you can measure feet and inches without rulers better than you can measure cms.
jurov: that's just because there are entrenched foot sizes
mircea_popescu: bounce it may not be to you, but it's proven nonsense in practice. your beer is not 5 deciliters, but most likely 50 cl or 500ml.
jurov: if i knew my feet are of size 27cm then i could measure accurately
bounce: hm? plenty glasses are marked with dl, not cl and marking with ml would be misleading
jurov: and i'm not convinced about inches, too.. everyone still has to check their size anyway before using it
jurov: lol you remember the onscreen ruler app? with zoom function?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rounded corners therefore your argument is ivalid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, logical scale, if you must have it log for fine-ness : 10**0 orign, then 10**1, 10**3, 10**5, 10**9, 10**13, 10**17, 20**21, then 10**29 and add 8 seven more times so on.
mircea_popescu: god's scale, because it allows you to integrate everyday important stuff like the atomcount on a planet.
jurov: well, one'd need to start writing numbers like 10'0000'00'00'0
mircea_popescu: jurov still, i don't believe there's enough day to day humiliation for alleged females with cupsizes under c.
jurov: not saying its wrong
mircea_popescu: pity there's not more hipser listening in on -assets, this could be the new bored math grad student trent
jurov: another system would mess with my perception
bounce: trent, the bored math grad hipster
jurov: i started to split fractional part by 4 digits
jurov: and it bit me outside bitcoin
jurov: so i must be careful
mircea_popescu: true story : early 1900s romanian outlaw and rapist, hung like a horse, after execution penis kept by museum of natural history.
mircea_popescu: allegedly womenz left the door unlocked because fancied a fuck. so then he;'d also rob the place.
jurov: very expensive escort service
mircea_popescu: well generally the women fancying the fuck were young hussies, the people owning the place/jools not young hussies, so it works out eh ?
mircea_popescu: sorta like fuck-welfare, you get laid, govt picks up the bill.
jurov: and how we come to that topic? my client dropped a line somhow?
jurov: ;;google trent, the bored math grad hipster
mircea_popescu: it's in the logs lol. <bounce> trent, the bored math grad hipster
bounce: oh, stick me with the blame, why don't you
jurov: oh it's not any preexisting (fictional or real) character?
mircea_popescu: no, we just made it up. because we're creative like that.
bounce: that's it, cock au vin for dinner tonight
jurov: i was interested in his stories... guess imma have to write it myself
bounce: argl. s/ck/q/ but the damage is done now anyway
mircea_popescu: jurov actually, trent the GAY bored math grad student hipster would be even better.
jurov: yest id' make him a fag
jurov: yes i'd make him a fag
mircea_popescu: not really a fag all the way tho. maybe just the gaytip ?
bounce: as in happy. these are supposed to be happy stories.
bounce: gay just as soon as it's hip to be gay. now wouldn't that be an interesting trend.
bounce: have they caught on themselves?
jurov: that's called "gay curious" or such
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but the complaint of all the actual faggots i know in the us is that "all the kids pretending like they're gay make life impossible"
bounce: that was the point, yes. the pretension and then not carrying through.
ben_vulpes: "these kids have no idea what it meant to be gay even a decade ago!"
mircea_popescu: it's really pretty heavy duty trollage of the gay community by mainstream hot topic teenagers. think about it, what if all the chicks in discos were really trannies.
mircea_popescu: "just because i'm gay he thinks i want him to stick his penis into me ?!?!?!?!"
jurov: eternal friendzone
mircea_popescu: jurov is he sjw also ? or just a lot of aloof ennui on political topics ?
jurov: our trent is totally starring in porn under "hung hipster" nick
jurov: woud prolly be better story if some sjw is his bitch
mircea_popescu: maybe the pilot episode is the nsa trying to recruit him
jurov: which nsa? interacting with our stan would be fun
bounce: pretending to be starring, of course. couldn't be a hipster if it was for real.
mircea_popescu: then he turns them down and takes a job for stan's nsa.
jurov: maybe i did but mostly forgot
mircea_popescu: and mireille d'arc is the hottie soubrette soumise from le grand restaurant
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ben_vulpes: derpy consumer route? it's possible but...not likely.
mircea_popescu: i can understand caching an answer. but caching a nonanswer ? who the fuck is the bright excel spreadsheet that came up with that idea.
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mircea_popescu: bounce google came up with the fucktarded idea of basically replacing their algorithm with a by-hand list (yeah, just at the top, which is like saying "just where it matters"). as a result, all sorts of shitholes like facebook, wikipedia etc are basically google spam repositories.
wywialm: i will buy put options on usd, eur, possibly unescrowed, short or mid-term
wywialm: not much relevant content, unfortunately
wywialm: mircea_popescu, you don't trade options now, do you?
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis i just meant it for los_pantalones observation that yu can't afford buying put options
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 18:12:54; los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 19:46:44; los_pantalones: what did i say earlier about long puts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00073449 = 1.9097 BTC [-]
wywialm: didn't he mean btc puts? i look for usd or eur btc-denominated puts
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes you can run your own instance of logs if you want.
wywialm: put on eur paid in btc delivered in eur
wywialm: aka put on x.eur but without having to register on paymium
mike_c: wywialm: isn't that bit4x.com?
wywialm: i'll see the bit4x.com. kakobrekla: i'm precisely in the process of looking for such trustworthy person :)
mircea_popescu: im completely confused now. isn't bit4x usd/eur pair ?!
mike_c: wait, nvmd. i think i misunderstood you.
kakobrekla: bit4x is many pairs none of which are btc.
mike_c: his put on this denominated in that delivered by bananas twisted my brain for a second.
wywialm: and bit4x.com trades options? i cannot find any reference to that
mike_c: and the customer service!
wywialm: mike_c, it's actually simpler than options on btc/usd rate. if you properly treat btc as the center of this financial universe, the usd and eur are foreign assets and they should be deliverd
mircea_popescu: what do california, subsaharan africa and the poorest parts of india have in common ?
mike_c: ;;gettrust wywialm davout
mike_c: why are you trying to avoid paymium?
mircea_popescu: wywialm anyway, talk to los_pantalones, he might write something but i doubt you'll want the premium.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: interdasting notion, but i'm taking like 3 things into production over the next month and can't handle the overhead.
wywialm: i'm not trying to avoid it, i simply would like to have it simple
mircea_popescu: wywialm but if you're taking that foreign asset delivery, you will need a method. bag of cash ? or what's your idea of simple ?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: are you trying to get it off of your plate?
wywialm: paymium is a layer on top of it
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mircea_popescu: wywialm yeah but wanting someone to make a custom thing for you rather than just using something already in place takes you from a few btcs to a few thousand btcs volume you know.
wywialm: ok, i could be convinced to buy puts on x.eur
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the school arguingit was really ebola ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5510 @ 0.00073705 = 4.0611 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes since everyone is eating i dont see why we should limit ourselfs to one plate :)
wywialm: i'm merely trying to explore possibilities
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones interesting quoting, and he can pick whether he wants 60 or 80 ? :D
los_pantalones: yeah, kinda wide, i could tighten if he shows some int
wywialm: i'd suppose 30% spread is pretty wide :)
mircea_popescu: if only there was some sort of spot that wasn't a total fucking joke.
wywialm: but it's confusing to quote puts on usd in usd. you mean that usd will be delivered if 400 or higher?
wywialm: thats why i tried to spell it in btc
mircea_popescu: wywialm if you want to be delivered fiat, wtf would you quote it in o.O
wywialm: mircea_popescu, if you bought options on S.MPOE would you quote it in terms of S.MPOE or btc?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm not old enought to have originals to make an authoritative checksum. ATM Nakamoto Institute is probably your best bet
mircea_popescu: wywialm i thought you said you want to be paid in fiat.
wywialm: nonono, i would like to pay btc for an option of fiat delivery, excuse me being not clear enough
mircea_popescu: so i guess you can pay the 80 in btc at whatever current prevailing rate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00073728 = 13.0499 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform diff the two wouldja ? maybe there's a qntra story in here
wywialm: los_pantalones, could you deliver by sepa?
los_pantalones: wywialm i could clear on atlas, would be pretty easy way to do this
los_pantalones: they have a 12/31 expiry option, would fit your time frame pretty well
TheNewDeal: Im also interested in supplying if you cant find something that works
wywialm: i can't see any reference to options or futures there
wywialm: TheNewDeal, you mean options?
Mikayla: Was told by a friend to come here?
TheNewDeal: Cash only preferred, but may bend if its a well structured deal
HeySteve: Mikayla was curious about bits for tits
wywialm: ok, then. for start i would buy put option, delivering 100$ unescrowed, as a sort of unit test, at 0.25 btc per 100$ strike, i offer 0.03 btc, matures in 21 days. is it ok, los_pantalones or TheNewDeal?
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
los_pantalones: first glance, too small for my interests but i'll look at the terms a bit more
TheNewDeal: Can you explain that in a different way please
los_pantalones: can you explain a little more why you want to do this way ?
TheNewDeal: Strike price $400, quantity .25 , fee .03?
wywialm: i'd like to test if it is feasible have fiat delivered - that's why the form, i have not yet traded options on WoT that's why so small
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074018 = 14.4705 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: Definitely not doing a fiat delivery at that price
mircea_popescu: what's a wire these days, like 50 plus whatever admin costs on one's side ?
wywialm: ok, at least most banks offer sepa free of charge in poland, i might be generalizing
wywialm: oh, seems that i'm generalizing too much now
mircea_popescu: wywialm you gotta appreciate business people keep chicks around a special room for the sole purpose of sending out mail and keeping track of mail and taking the cock. and they are paid a salary, and that's then taxed.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla as per a, link to your previous work, then i'll give you a string you can take your pic.
mircea_popescu: "Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link.".
Mikayla: I don't have nude shots on the web?
Mikayla: well I have a picture with black tape on my nipples?
Mikayla: well I will take a picture :)
Mikayla: I have done nude once, but it isn't online
Mikayla: also you won't be able to tell it is me - slow shutter speed - "ghost shots"
wywialm: ok, TheNewDeal, what would be your price? would you deliver SEPA? let's say 100 EUR, strike 0.32 per 100 EUR, premium 0.04 btc?
Mikayla: Please explain it basically. I only know how to dcc
mircea_popescu: Mikayla and we gotta be able to tell it's you, that's the whole idea.
Mikayla: unless there is a place where I can link such a photo to
HeySteve: there is Mikayla, picpaste or imgur work fine
HeySteve: well, you'll need a Bitcoin wallet too... you kinda jumped ahead
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got lunch now. wil be back in a coupla hours.
wywialm: los_pantalones TheNewDeal if physical delivery is too much fuss then btc settlement is ok
TheNewDeal: Definitely not delivering for a contract of maximum 100
TheNewDeal: Strike price, quantity, premium, expiry date
wywialm: strike 0.0025 usd/btc, quantity 100 usd, 0.03 btc premium, 14.11 expires, put option.
TheNewDeal: If i sell you the opportunity to purchase btc at 400, im selling a call
wywialm: yeah, of course you are right, i should "deliver" (btc settlement) the quantity in case of put
los_pantalones: what are you trying to do? what's the purpose of the option?
mike_c: deliver in bananas, it's easier.
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wywialm: los_pantalones, let's say i'm protecting a hypotetical receipt of fiat
TheNewDeal: Strike 400 usd/btc (shitstamp) , quantity .25 btc, expiry nov 14, fee 0.055 btc
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: don't bash our Ohio mudhuts. They're 10x nicer than what Europeans call 'homes'
wywialm: TheNewDeal, much too expensive, los_pantalones offered the same for 45 days not 22
The20YearIRCloud: It's been pretty close to there for a while. Cleveland is extraordinarily poorly managed
The20YearIRCloud: But not as bad as detroit, and Ohio has a pretty great senate/house that keeps the rest of the state from turning into a cesspool.
HeySteve: hey The20YearIRCloud, get any further with black soldier fly?
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: I really want to do it if/when I get property in the country
HeySteve: k I am running a trial at the moment, fish eating it
HeySteve: if I can eliminate feed costs this way, should help aquaculture business a lot
wywialm: los_pantalones, TheNewDeal thanks anyway for your offers
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: why has nothing more been said about that superconductor?
TheNewDeal: Wywialm you were actually interested in buying a put i see. I had it backwards
wywialm: yes, i was incorrectly asking you to deliver through sepa while having in mind asking you to accept sepa delivery
TheNewDeal: Mp , how did you settle your usd options in btc only
wywialm: i might ask in name of mp, if i'm wrong he certainly will correct me - the options were on btcusd exchange rate and thus delivered 1 btc.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, Mikayla will be back tomorrow after I've explained process further
TheNewDeal: Would it just be the differnce of (actual - strike) convertes into btc at current rate?
TheNewDeal: wywialm explain how delivery (btc only) would occur in your mind
wywialm: TheNewDeal, it would be the case if the options were on usd (that is approximately what i have in mind).
wywialm: now usd is approx. 0.002788 btc per 1 usd, if strike for put is 0.0025 then if usd is lower than that you pay me (usdbtc_rate - 0.0025) x notional_quantity, am i right?
TheNewDeal: wywialm let's talk more about a december 1 delivery
TheNewDeal: Please for gods sake quote it in btc/usd
wywialm: i just thought it might be a good idea to quote it as x.eur is quoted
wywialm: los_pantalones, of course, 0.0025 - usdbtc_rate
TheNewDeal: If i were to write a call for a stock option. It would be quoted in stock/usd not the other way around
wywialm: well it is common to refer to premiums as % of underlying
wywialm: but they are quoted either in dollar terms or implied vol
TheNewDeal: Ive never seen that, but ive really only looked on finance.yahoo
TheNewDeal: Everything was priced in usd, all contracts covered 100 of underlying
los_pantalones: yeah, worrying about the width as a % of the underlying is not a bad way to look at things
TheNewDeal: wywialm would you consider a dec 1 expiry?
wywialm: yes, i would - as i said i would even consider 60 days, but then it wouldn't be much of unit testing
wywialm: re: quoting. i imagined that if usd is the currency at, say, CBOE, and they quote options in usd, and here the currency is btc, we should quote options on eur or usd in btc and in usdbtc exchange rate :)
wywialm: we will perhaps return to that later
TheNewDeal: Just wanted to make sure I remembered how he did it
TheNewDeal: Im just getting excited thinking about options
TheNewDeal: Agreed, but .25 btc underlying is tiny
TheNewDeal: Ide consider going up to 10, for the right price
TheNewDeal: And a strike that wasnt 10 % out of tge monay
TheNewDeal: Theyre exremely useful for cash delivery
TheNewDeal: Problem with btc options is the convexity
TheNewDeal: Price jumps or drops by a factor of 10, everything gets fucked
ben_vulpes: at some point calling bitcoind cli args started talking to the json rpc api
jurov: asciilifeform: how do you want to communicate with the daemon?
mike_c: argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy.
jurov: it§s running x days, you want to get getinfo()
ben_vulpes: as much as i'd like it gone, i'd also like something in the wild before the stoolies attempt to fork.
ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing?
jurov: yup. i am in, only it will take few days till i'll do the gpg-only mailman and assure myself it can go online
jurov: if you snip off the blockchain so that it just relates transactions, then most of the complexity goes away
jurov: but not sure this is useful
ben_vulpes: well asciilifeform if you're willing to perform the surgery do it. otherwise, it'll have to wait right?
ben_vulpes: he wants it to build on mac s/e as well
ben_vulpes: anyways. is bitcoin not here to also end m$?
mike_c: because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary?
ben_vulpes: the average windows user shuts the fuck up and uses unix.
mike_c: mhm. perhaps the average windows user gets the fuck out of b-a, but kicking them out of bitcoin seems a bit much.
jurov: we already decided to nix qt, so no avg windows user
jurov: i don't get this discussion
ben_vulpes: if qt's nixed, the average user's nixed as well.
ben_vulpes: this is a *tool* for people who *use tools*, not consumers.
mike_c: avg user can run armory on top of b-a bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: avg user should throw down 200 dollars for a netbook and fucking run unix.
mod6: someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project.
jurov: mod6 qt is neeeded only for wallet management
ben_vulpes: win32 stuff isn't necessary to run the thing under cygwin, correct?
jurov: if this is split off, qt is not needed
mike_c: i am struggling to defend my position.
mike_c: perhaps there is no use case.
mike_c: the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets.
mats_cd03: bitcoind on windows could live in qemu or whatever
Mikayla: not worried about trusting windows too much?
ben_vulpes: mike_c: watch wallets on blockchain.info
Mikayla: Just takes one man, or a group, to excell in hacking and to pick you as a target
mike_c: how would you watch a wallet on blockchain?
jurov: mike_c i just pulled all the addresses from the wallets and imported them (into electrum)
jurov: and electrum can do the watching without privkeys, too
jurov: it's about a year in production, no complaint from coinr users
mike_c: hm. i wonder if this would be a useful web service. upload your electrum/armory public key and it will watch your wallet.
mike_c: anyway, fine, windows support no good.
mats_cd03: what would it do? send you an email when coins move?
mike_c: well, primarily it would provide web access to a watch-only version of your wallet.
mike_c: alerts could be part of it.
mike_c: if it gets hacked.. well, then you should create a new wallet for privacy.
mike_c: i guess. really who cares.
mike_c: premium version will chew your food.
mike_c: but you can brush your own teeth.
mike_c: use case #1: a business could allow public web access to a wallet and interested parties would know it is solvent and where money is going.
bounce: asciilifeform: by the by, you familiar with "patch -u"? though there's really no shortcut for "delete this file", you still get to see the whole of what is being deleted even if it is the entire file.
bounce: could argue it's an oversight in patch. for collaboration it's still better to show what's being done than to just say "stuff got deleted" ('yes, but what then?')
Mikayla: I would like to open a bit wallet but not sure about the links I see online. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance
jurov: Mikayla: it's best to try them all
Mikayla: the way some of them look I don't know.... lol
TheNewDeal: Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm
undata: Mikayla: don't let someone else hold your wallet for you ^
Mikayla: is it best to pick on in your own country?
Mikayla: undata I'm not that stupid :) thank you :)
TheNewDeal: No such thing mikayla, its like software
TheNewDeal: I think bitcoin.org explains the differences
Mikayla: The fact that there are over 100 links makes me nervous
Mikayla: I really don't want to be screwed over
assbot: Choose your wallet - Bitcoin
undata: Mikayla: define "own country"
Mikayla: opening all the links thanks
jurov: Mikayla: bitcoins are *not* accessed via website
Mikayla: considering any person can make a website I prefer to ask for reputable ones
jurov: you pick safe computer or appliacne
jurov: install wallet software
Mikayla: I appreciate the help for me the noob :)
undata: Mikayla: highest value here would be legitimate, not local
Mikayla: A friend suggested it and had to offline, that's how I ended up here and I'm trying to learn but a lot looks suspect
undata: and ensuring that what you downloaded is what was purported
undata: surely there's a trilema bootstrapping post
ben_vulpes: this is a pretty funny conversation given the previous conversations about noobs and bitcoin
jurov: Mikayla how do they looks suspect? can you explain an example?
undata: ben_vulpes: oh hey, btw. I will at some point use a fresh pi and thermal printer to print some paper wallets, then destroy the pi
jurov: if you go so far then destroy the printer too
Mikayla: ben_vulpes they show different values
undata: ben_vulpes: that would be a consideration
jurov: asciilifeform: you don't have to use it, by default it is even switched off (raspbian)
jurov: Mikayla: because there is no official exchange rate
undata: the qr code could be transferred to something more durable thereafter, maybe
jurov: asciilifeform: std linux stuff (keyboard or whatnot)
Mikayla: so best I wait for my friend tomorrow?
undata: asciilifeform: that however would do the idea in for sure.
ben_vulpes: undata: live cd/usb, boot regular device in "silent" mode, print stuff.
davout: undata: dice + wordlist, use the pi to transform the passphrase into something you can send coins to
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undata: davout: ah ok, that gets around asciilifeform's criticism, correct?
davout: asciilifeform undata it's the best way to remove any kind of prng from the key-generation process
undata: asciilifeform: less despair, more education
davout: signing is a different story
undata: asciilifeform: how best to generate a safe paper wallet?
undata: asciilifeform: anything of which you think I should be wary.
jurov: btw this is actually good food for thought - is there a process one can cryptograpically safely *on paper* generate public key (btc address) from private key?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. but documenting it would be a very good thing to do.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna write a qntra article titled "how to calculate your own bitcoin address, pen on paper only" ? it'd be a great thing.
Duffer1: i believe reddit beat you to that one
Duffer1: oh nm that was pen n paper mining
jurov: church-turing on pediwiki seems to be something unrelated
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jurov: i had in mind RSA something.. multiplying 200digit numbers would be tedious but doable
Mikayla: hi mircea_popescu sorry was on a call
jurov: with emphasis on *doable*
mircea_popescu: not more tedious than 100 multiplications of two digit numbers
undata: maybe a pi image could be built which would help with the "by hand" calculations?
jurov: hmmm... and if we can admit 1990s desktop calculator...
mircea_popescu: Mikayla do you see the girls in the article ? they are clearly visible in good light. your thing looks is neither.
Mikayla: I wasn't sure about exposing my face and it is night time here :)
mircea_popescu: Mikayla none of the previous girls died of face exposure so far.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: just do it how MP did it <<< wiser words were never spoken :)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Problem with btc options is the convexity <<< prolly the largest, right after "no actual spot"
Mikayla: will try. I use energy saving bulbs in my home which isn't very friendly with my webcam
mircea_popescu: so do it tomorrow in the sun, this place isn't going anywhere.
undata: asciilifeform: help may just be a calculator, no?
Mikayla: so I've wasted my time finding better light?
mod6: to outline the foundations mission
ben_vulpes: nobody's going to complain, Mikayla ;)
Mikayla: do you want clear quality to as the image?
undata: asciilifeform: yep, as old as possible
jurov: to get 1024bits you'll need 400 dice throws. and lesser rsa is vulnerable
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Mikayla: but I look so good in eerie glow :P
Mikayla: I have an s4 but my fat friends foot stood on it
mircea_popescu: mike_c: argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy. <<< this is true. and at least the best debugged anyway.
Mikayla: not winning with this eerie glow
Mikayla: im using my built in webcam
Mikayla: told you I'm new to this :P
jurov: mircea_popescu: but the problem is, how to compute bitcoin address from it without exposing privkey to electronics
Mikayla: my code will be recycled...
Mikayla: ask no questions tell no lies :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so far i got qt and ssl snipped. mega-triumph! lol << weren't you supposed to work for nsa anyway!!1
jurov: sha2-type algo will work fine even with 100 bits from dice, but computation is tedious
mircea_popescu: Mikayla well somehow i don't think you hacked into a south african ip.
Mikayla: maybe i'm a really fat guy?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i've seen fat guys with really big tits...
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing? << yeah this question scares me too.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah was an excellet read
mircea_popescu: so the data is in, my .5.x copies from early 2013 do not match the shas of the stuff available for download now, but if you diff the source it does match.
Mikayla: headed out with a gay friend tonight
Mikayla: managed to find an angle without the eerie witch look
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: why even bother with windows? << because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows.
mircea_popescu: i know. it's like the darkest deepest secret of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: was he one of those "cryptographers" who run on windows?
mircea_popescu: not anymore than you're a rocket scientist, at any rate.
ben_vulpes: i'm pretty sure i only ever claimed to fuck around with the tools in us 'college'
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes just claim the downed pilot story and move on.
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Mikayla: need to washing my eye linger off me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, washing the code in bleach to get winblowze off is a good idea.
davout: mircea_popescu: "because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows" <<< did it even matter that much before bitcoin was invented anyway?
davout: asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems
davout: asciilifeform: i said it seemed obvious, not that it was :-)
Mikayla: mircea_popescu link or email addy?
kakobrekla: the fuckin noise hole on this chick...
Mikayla: would you be talking about me?
mircea_popescu: <davout> asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems << spoken like a tru frenchman :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c: because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary? << the average bitcoin user is welcome to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: oh, i wanna be in bitcoin but i can't afford a computer lalala.
mircea_popescu: this is like wanting to do options on 100 bux. no such thing.
mike_c: because everyone should come to bitcoin fully formed superuser.
mike_c: so why did mpoe-pr spend so much time on forums trying to guide noobs?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck em, the ycan have their five btc together and do whatever they do with it. it'll be like the 192.x.x.x ip space
mircea_popescu: in 1700 you could be a senator by being a farmer in the us.
mike_c: running a bitcoin wallet is not being in the senate.
mircea_popescu: sure, maybe your elected reps won't fuck you over. it's possible.
mike_c: yes, that i agree with. i thought it might be nice to have some wallet software available to the lower tier that doesn't phone home every time you open it and lose your coin everytime SSL gets probed.
mircea_popescu: so then they can download the FREE linux distro of their choice
mike_c: but it's fine, i capitulated.
davout: mircea_popescu: "mike_c 2010 is not 2014." <<< you weren't there in 2010
mircea_popescu: davout yes, but the activity of 2011/2012 is based on the state of the world previous.
mike_c: listen you pack of elitist fucks, bitcoin is for the masses and dogecoin is going back to the moon.
mircea_popescu: just like the shit we're talking about here will be a thing in 2015 and then
mats_cd03: remember kids, examine the checksum before install. esp with tor involved.
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mircea_popescu: and he has to pay a big... i mean long ... i mean thick price for it.
mircea_popescu: so that after i do that i can write an article about how tor is insecure ?
mats_cd03: sounds easy. there are only a thousand exit nodes, no?
mircea_popescu: mod6: someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project. << a good idea, but kinda what armory will end up being
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neutral country ? what are you, a dyslexig santaist ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c:the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets. what about that case? >> i dunno, pipe grep ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also on the list of surgeries : motherfucker memory management holy shit omfg.
mircea_popescu: i STILL suspect there's a couple unaccounted leaks in the code
mircea_popescu: maybe once it's over in the sense of, we're all drunk in the retirement home.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: speaking of which, chick was just over, she stripped, and apparently left. now i have a sundress and a bra on my counter.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: premium version will chew your food. << you know, i'm not personally that advanced, but having girly crack your pumpkin seeds/pistachio nuts for you is not so bad.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm << dudes you gotta stop with this "sarcasm" directed at noobs.
mircea_popescu: sarcasm is generally the lowest form of wit, but when addressed to people who openly admit not having a clue so therefore not being able to catch it it's just irredeemably stupid.
mike_c: confuses? it's quite simple, "chewing food" is relative.
mike_c: but i'm done defending the noobs. i'm not a complete noob anymore, so fuck 'em.
mod6: so speaking of n00bs. can we add a link to the log.bitcoin-assets.com page that takes a person to the first day of logs availble?
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
mike_c: also, kakobrekla, low pri bug report: links_only is busted on logs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, people who can compile it can also secure windows to a sufficient degree
mike_c: reason #342 why this should be v0.1
kakobrekla: mike_c i see what i did there will fix.
mike_c: not tough. platform layer is not a difficult thing to implement.
mircea_popescu: "Evidence of media fakery that implied corruption in the local health authority and indeed in NHS England. It was one of many similar fake news stories - viz the engineered "Mid Staffs Crisis" used to provide the pretext for rationalising and closing health facilities across the country."
undata: mircea_popescu | mike_c only thing going to the moon is undata. << maybe I'll luck out and Elon's overcompensating
mircea_popescu: undata you know i hear that's the appeal of the trannies ?
mircea_popescu: can be safely gay knowing you won't be splayed by too big a tool.
TheNewDeal: Mp as far as the shitty spot price goes, couldnt one set up some actual usd deverable calls/puts at certain prices to protect against a rigged signal?
mike_c: <+asciilifeform> but - i do so hate the sea of ifdefs. << totally agreed on this.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness. << fwiw i can see it.
jurov: options between x.eur/mpexbtc are doable. but no one is willing to put his balls into there
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mircea_popescu: "``THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION'' will endeavour to provide these, while fostering
mircea_popescu: community growth and development, under the general principle that if and
mircea_popescu: when any other thing conflicts with Bitcoin, that other thing must either be
mircea_popescu: discontinued or ammended in such a way as to no longer conflict with Bitcoin."
ben_vulpes: if there's a budget, something can be said about it
mircea_popescu: a promise should be made for accounts publishing at the least
mircea_popescu: to differentiate from the scam currently masquerading as a bitcoin "foundation"
ben_vulpes: well then the thing wants a treasurer as well.
mircea_popescu: bounties i guess ? i dunno. mostly to satisfy the people who would like to contribute but have no skills/time to offer.
mircea_popescu: not like the chairs have to spend it. it can end up like fcuking princeton, owning a billion dolars in investments.
jurov: lol passing it as lore?
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mircea_popescu: "o, mp, what would be ~your~ suggestion for fixing this problem we invented ?!?!? huh ?!?!?"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform just a bag of shit passed round'nround << what's with the obsession with poop?
mircea_popescu: "i dunno... kiling you and fucking your mother again, maybe this time she spits out something functional"
jurov: thestringpuller: you know, anal stage
jurov: as coined by norman mailer iirc
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do they have common suffixes?
ben_vulpes: documentation for diffutils suggests --exclude or -x (pattern)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform you are good at the turdisms...do you have a list somewhere?
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cazalla: jurov: cazalla how is cryptomoneyexpo different from all the other chumpferences? <<< it's not, it's a bunch of friends using bots to fill up their habbo hotel to bang coinfire outta 10k
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> without having to specify it <<< ahhahahaha.
cazalla: i mean, i could masquerade of having some understanding and write something up but i'd rather not
mircea_popescu: im bemused by your apparent expectation for it to be easy
ben_vulpes: no asciilifeform you've got it all wrong!
mircea_popescu: fucking russkies will be the end of the civilised world.
ben_vulpes: "diff and patch can't handle binaries. so don't commit them, duh."
ben_vulpes: people committing binaries are also using Github or other tools that paper over the horror.
jurov: asciilifeform: what about two diffs, one with only removed files
jurov: and other one with other changes
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform patch diff to say "binary path/file snipped in principle" ?
jurov: i still think having two patches is easiest way out
jurov: the larger can be easily verified that there are only removals
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jurov: ok, so script then...
jurov: asciilifeform: what about outputtting ed format with added !rm src/qt/file commands? :DDDD
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BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Interesting in writing a qntra piece or two?
mircea_popescu: make sure you include adequately quotable quote in there.
mircea_popescu contemplates how his handcranked, slave operated blockchain is actually self-emerging, as predicted by some knowledgeable people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the joke being how your " kick off 'bitcoin' tree" is genesis-y
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Duffer1: they will eventually i'm sure
ben_vulpes: jurov and i bring a pm regarding treasury duties for a theoretical -assets foundation
jurov: ^ was my reaction too
ben_vulpes: if there are donations, someone must be responsible for said donations.
bounce: as long as you drink responsibly
ben_vulpes: well there are no plans for expenditures on the table atm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of any human endeavour ever conceived this much is true : better to have money than not.
mircea_popescu: jurov so you wanna be teh treasurer of btc foundation ?
jurov: moment i want to have a clue how we eventually switch to dispensing from the treasury
mircea_popescu: except if they order more than you got, in which case you throw an exception
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00073564 = 3.2707 BTC [-]
jurov: but this looks to strict p2p project
jurov: everyone in assbot l2 can publish patches
jurov: can they ask from treasury, too?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe buy you a complimentary book copy of the code ?
mod6: luckally, im good with cats.
mircea_popescu: maybe pay chicks to do lapdances for coder ppls reading the scipt
jurov: i want to ask for modest remuneration, like, 1BTC/year.
bounce: bidding war for treasuryship?
jurov: yeah with 1% limit
mike_c: i'll do it for 2btc/yr
mike_c: just trying to win the bidding war
jurov: truly a treasurer's duty :DDD
mircea_popescu: what's that mean, keep ear on pubis to detect internal queefs if and as they happen ?
bounce: that does imply a 100xbt donation drive every year
jurov: will make poof of reserves for reddit
mircea_popescu: bounce hopefully it will go "we got a lot of btc, give us more!"
jurov: ben_vulpes 1% is limit not threshold
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe sponsor a worthy young lady to come to april conference. that's a decent way to spend foundation moneyz i say!
jurov: or the rectothermal-themed male beauty calendar?
ben_vulpes: mpex's paid enough to the worthy ladies already
mircea_popescu: generally, once there's a pile of money, stupid ways to waste it can be devised.
jurov: we need cultural attachee then... any nominations?
ben_vulpes: i'll just sit here and have the culture attached in my lap please
mircea_popescu: jurov the cockfest rules clearly say that no foundation can grow past 3 members unless it involves a good looking woman.
bounce: is there a general goal and or purpose for starting the hoard in the first place?
bounce: "there be dragons" is maybe a little weak in this context.
mircea_popescu: bounce so that people who don't have the time or the skills to contribute can still contribute.
ben_vulpes: the point is to provide the opportunity for btc to flow in
ben_vulpes: and to have a contingency plan for that happening
mircea_popescu: generally the idea is to spend none, or else with very high roi.
ben_vulpes: let's not pretend anyone actually cares.
jurov: to bellyfeel the serenissima
bounce: so, a bitcoin indulgence?
ben_vulpes: it doesn't help, but not having the intake hole hurts.
jurov: perhaps it can be used for loans for member in good standing
ben_vulpes: emergency asciilifeform gravity escape device
mircea_popescu: but seriously, old people in eastern europe have this thing, like a loan co-op
bounce tries to feel old. nope. no instant riches.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah they pay into it five bux or w/e each time they get a ss check, and then get a loan once a year to replace the washing machine or w/e
jurov throws the dices and launches the necessary ECDSA pen&paper computations
jurov: just about 300 multiplications, 400 sums of 256bit numbers
mircea_popescu: btw, a crc self-correcting system of computation should be devised.
jurov: not needed,they say the result can be easily checked with some 100 operations
mircea_popescu: seriously asciilifeform, who do you expect to take 19kb seriously ?
mircea_popescu: can't we put some pngs in there or something ? .o files ?
mircea_popescu: i just don't feel that stuff under 1mb can properly be called code.
mod6: asciilifeform: did you spend any time playing corewars?
mod6: its an old fav. good times.
jurov: ;;ident asciilifeform
gribble: Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None
WhiteCrane: is it possible to get bitcoin money the ski mask way?
jurov: WhiteCrane: not needed, we have internet
WhiteCrane: you know what ski mask way means right?
jurov: any trick how do i clean the sources to leave only what's in manifest?
WhiteCrane: is it possible to make a profit on bitcoin?
jurov: cut -d ' ' -f 3- bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest does
mircea_popescu: anyway, why bother with a ban ? let him be ground into either a shape or nothingness.
jurov: oh was thinking it will be for discussion
jurov: yes did not occur to me to post
jurov: bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src/bitcoind chicken/src/bitcoind differ: byte 41, line 1
jurov: now they are identical
jurov: um..i forgot to patch at first
jurov: now recompiled with patch, stripped binary different
assbot: --- origdump 2014-10-25 01:53:15.339116615 +0200 +++ patchdump 2014-10-25 - Pastebin.com
jurov: some template riffraff