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mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to give me moar context.
punkman: see mike_c link above
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20813118 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: also a hypothetical, if you have a multibet and nobody bets on the winner, would the house take it?
mircea_popescu: seems you're illustrating it neh ?
mircea_popescu: calculating the odds becomes more complicated. also, "nobody" bets on a winner is impossible, bitbet seeds all bets.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, a parimutuel situatiuon where nobody bets on a possible outcome is not economically probable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
punkman: yeah I suppose it'd make sense to throw tiny amounts at all unlikely winners
mircea_popescu: n owinner is unlikely. i mean, is a bet that nets you 10kx your bet unlikely at 9900:1 odds ?
mircea_popescu: +ev is +ev.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : in principle multibets should be reducible to multiples of single pair bets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02511 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
punkman: considering a 10-way or 30-way bet, that is sure more work for bitbet mods to seed correctly. So I guess we won't see multibets until there's just too many single bets covering the same events
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02540226 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1914 @ 0.00006496 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high << actiually the entire "steal thje gold" 1930 thing was specifically and declaredly destined to "increase grai nprices"
mircea_popescu: even if through inflation.
mircea_popescu: punkman, why do you think it's harder to seed "correctly" ?
mircea_popescu: there's no corectness involved, bitbet doesn't make any effort whatsoever to split the seed correctly.
punkman: what you just flip a coin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086112 = 12.1418 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: but besides that, wouldn't it be more work to approve 30 single bets than 1 30-way bet?
mircea_popescu: how ?
mircea_popescu: i don't do it personally, and the mods just get to have fun. i hold no particular audit of their success. i guess some try to beat the game or w/e, i personally don't care, and that's where the incentive structure starts.
mircea_popescu: as long as management is concerned, seed bets just have to add up to .1
mircea_popescu: which is why they're seed bets. the idea is that the players will even it all out.
mircea_popescu: so far this idea has played out spectacularly well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.0254999 = 1.683 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20811233 = 0.8324 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1436 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47242 @ 0.0008587 = 40.5667 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW << dub is such a bland kowtow character
mircea_popescu: i think when we finally enact the new world order we make him chairman of the fed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20823162 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.20919621 = 3.9747 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21315383 = 2.771 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.219 = 2.628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0738483 = 0.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.219 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/06/want_to_buy_a_jail_never_used.html
assbot: Want to buy a jail, never used? Submit your proposal for Portland’s Wapato by June 4 | OregonLive.com
mircea_popescu: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec << o look bingo made slashdot again
assbot: Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This time though /. did that thing where they traded actual links for abc new
BingoBoingo: s
mircea_popescu: ya well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26844 @ 0.00086133 = 23.1215 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: (hanbot was "WTF WHERE DO THEY GET OFF")
mircea_popescu: so i guess htey made at least one friend with the process.
benkay: wait am i reading the logs correctly? voorhees is only in trouble over the off-mpex 'ipo'?
asciilifeform: two things about this story puzzle me (confession: i never gave enough of a damn to keep track in real time...) - why nothing about satoshidice? only sued for a small part of the spam op profit and: why vorhees ponied up
asciilifeform: third, why did vorhees, having profited handsomely from sd, have to take to spam?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be // incidentally, this is why i love consulting. customers are typically n=1 where n trusts me and my boys to deliver - which we do. in spades.
BingoBoingo: benkay: That is correct
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That spam thing well preceeded S.DICE
mircea_popescu: benkay, yea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, he had enough sense to listen to me when i told him how to do the buy back.
mircea_popescu: in general that ensures survival at a minimum.
benkay: huh well this makes me happy
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QNFWDJ.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
benkay: perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered
asciilifeform: afaik everybody expected gasenwagen for vorhees, at least
asciilifeform: for 'illegals casino'
mircea_popescu: and as to why he ponied up, probably bcause it's a laughably small sum, it gives the sec something it already had (i doubt any us citizen can sanely argue that th eauthority of the us govt and its agencies doesn't extend to him)
BingoBoingo: Well, he basically avoided the gasenwagen by buying them a BMW
asciilifeform: peculiarly cheap ransom
mircea_popescu: and closes his past (at the dubious cost of his next five years)
benkay: next five years how?
mircea_popescu: but i doubt he had much of a future as an issuer anyway, at least on the short term
mircea_popescu: benkay, well because if he does an ipo now he'd be roughly in the situaiton of karpeles
mircea_popescu: ie, "but you've signed here that you won't do this thing you're doing"
asciilifeform in the gasenwagen will offer to buy inquisitor a trabant
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: <benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ?
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't the us being inimical to btc. the problem is btc being inimical to the us.
mircea_popescu: this is like that case of a three year old that';s so far smarter and better than you that your only hope as a father is to slave and serve it on your knees
mircea_popescu: my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really.
mircea_popescu: it's just a hard thing to grasp this, that the thing can't even walk and yet it's a dragon, which you aren't, will never be etc.
benkay: there are worse dragons to slave for.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. // i'd love to hear this story sometime.
mircea_popescu: lol maybe the guy writes it sometime.
mircea_popescu: course these days people tend to make the converse mistake in their personal life
mircea_popescu: most kids aren't worth the hassle people put into them by a long shot.
benkay: "but if we just put the effort in, the kid will be!"
benkay: i'll be lucky if one of mine is qualified to and interested in taking on any position in my shop.
benkay: and i'll be not displeased with my work if they accept that they'll need to start at the bottom to boot.
mircea_popescu: right.
Mats_cd03: lol
mircea_popescu: curious if you'll manage to get that past the missus, at any rate.
benkay: lady v, re starting as js-sweepers: "i'm sure."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18692 @ 0.00085878 = 16.0523 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00086166 = 24.3419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.0008587 = 6.4943 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not now. later.
mircea_popescu: Subject: Bitcoin Match Fixing and the NBA Playoffs
mircea_popescu: From: "Bitcoin Betting Guide" <info@bitcoin-betting-guide.com>
mircea_popescu: such needed much helpful.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.61, Best ask: 645.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 644.61, 24 hour volume: 13320.94152466, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 641.286188847
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02791009 = 0.2791 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738482 = 0.2215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00197 = 0.1793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.23595586 = 22.8877 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.249 = 0.747 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2973 @ 0.00085847 = 2.5522 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 2k@219 100k@205 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1179 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {5}
mike_c: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00
mike_c: party's over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738483 = 0.2215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.00200172 = 0.2702 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1467 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00208784 = 0.2088 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0021 = 0.1071 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.0021 = 0.3129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999984 = 0.15 BTC [+]
TomServo: http://bitbet.us/bet/715/the-chicago-blackhawks-will-win-the-2014-stanley/
assbot: BitBet - The Chicago Blackhawks will win the 2014 Stanley Cup :: 0.06 B (33%) on Yes, 0.12 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 days 20 hours | weight: 1`965 (100`000 to 1)
TomServo: That should probably be resolved.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Vexual What were you wondering about it?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2086 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up vex
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-planning-to-rub-up-against-strangers-wondering,36182/
assbot: Man Planning To Rub Up Against Strangers Wondering Where Train Is Already | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 100k@205 75k@202 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
BingoBoingo: ;;google two chainz rap
gribble: 2 Chainz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Chainz>; 2 Chainz | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/artists/2-chainz>; 2 Chainz – Birthday Song Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/2-chainz-birthday-song-lyrics>
BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QKlmMT8II
assbot: 2 Chainz - I'm Different (Explicit) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0254999 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086178 = 8.1869 BTC [+]
Vexual: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00085825 = 7.2951 BTC [-]
Vexual: hola dragon
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 75k@202 10k@200 2k@175 | 175k@142 24k@141 34k@140
mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's a great fucking movie.
Vexual: ;;rate mircea_popescu +d reasonable and intelligent
gribble: Error: '+d' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: what's that, shorthand for +derp ?
Vexual: difficulty
Vexual: but its interchangable
Vexual: ill leave it to the gods
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3T1R7YC.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 8 ✂︎
Vexual: might just mean desktop, i dunno
Vexual: what movie is it?
mircea_popescu: a man for all seasons.
mircea_popescu: not a very good take-down, in retrospect. scofield says "laid flat" and it serves.
Vexual: if you think you are a state you prolly are a state, skinner said that
Vexual: definately was the phrasing on inspection
mircea_popescu: Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for << not so lulzy. they're not even the first romanian bunch.
mircea_popescu: and do you remember the hungarian lolset back in 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: "...but there is also additional circumstantial evidence that GHash.IO have bad actors:
mircea_popescu: Not closing registration as their pool is approaching a (visible) 51%
mircea_popescu: Not charging fees to incentivize more pool diversity"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: PrimeAsic?
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, they should break up their thing for your comfort. god forbid the fucktarded miners all gather on one pool shouls smarten up.
mircea_popescu: no, the pool must suicide for their sake
mircea_popescu: there should be a "beat internet people for bitcoin" service.
mircea_popescu: id prolly spend hundreds.
Vexual: why would a successful pol ever try to 51%? to get cheap ebay shit?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, ya
mircea_popescu: Vexual, to become the butt of every nitwit's conspiracy theories.
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me anyone has higher goals in life, it's not true.
Vexual: really where would someone go to do a 51?
Vexual: it would take incmpetence to cop it
Vexual: theres a lot of it atround i guess
mircea_popescu: davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward << as best as it could be discerned it was more probably a shitty excuse by the dice site in question.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Vexual, to become the butt of every nitwit's conspiracy theories. and don't tell me anyone has higher goals in life, it's not true. << This explains a lot, says all of Reddit
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
Vexual: thankyou
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 142 Ask: 175 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 220k High: 180 Low: 140 VWAP: 142
mircea_popescu: !up Poffertje
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.56, Best ask: 646.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.66000, Last trade: 646.22, 24 hour volume: 9040.85959965, 24 hour low: 627.5, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 642.035772399
Vexual: how many drachma to teh bitcoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0213697 = 0.4274 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rabite/status/474260974422478848
assbot: Classy /msftsecurity comic with sexual assault! RT /FivdaAurion: Did IE just make fun of Firefox....AND WATCH DOGS? http://t.co/d41h1rRWpC
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 33 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304308 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 107 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 33 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11773061729.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.59924
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: xmj: I really dunno what the cloud fascination is when these are on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-SunFire-V440-Server-4x-1-60GHz-UltraSPARC-III-16gb-PC-2100/310962886850?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23309%26meid%3D7397420274572172178%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D291131644728
assbot: Sun Microsystems Sunfire V440 Server 4X 1 60GHz UltraSPARC III 16GB PC 2100 | eBay
xmj: BingoBoingo: resilience against hardware failures
Vexual: buy two
xmj: Your SAN-stored VM fails on host one, being taken out due to faulty mem bank. it gets automatically migrated to host two, within minutes if not seconds.
BingoBoingo: Or put this on rails http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-Ultra-80-PGX32-Workstation-Server-/171344658162?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item27e4effef2
assbot: Sun Microsystems Ultra 80 PGX32 Workstation Server | eBay
xmj: if you achieve that with owning your hardware, you agin have a cloud.
xmj: (a small one.)
BingoBoingo: ^ Redundancy built in
Vexual: yeah and you email yourself whenit fucks up
Vexual: rails
xmj: case in point: any combination of virtualization and redundancy can be dubbed 'cloud'
BingoBoingo: xmj: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-microsystems-Server-Ultra-Enterprise-6000/360208370775?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23309%26meid%3D7397461428183030825%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D171344658162&rt=nc
assbot: Sun Microsystems Server Ultra Enterprise 6000 | eBay
BingoBoingo: Ebay offers bigger solutions for own your own "cloud" as well
xmj: you can prefer owning hardware. i can prefer cheapskating.
xmj: chances are it's due to differences in initial wealth ;-)
BingoBoingo: (That particlular beast can hold up to 80 cores.
BingoBoingo: *30 cores
xmj: which, for startups in the conventional sense, is extremely likely.
BingoBoingo: Nothing about paying $500 a local pickup requires any measure of "wealth"
xmj: I understand that.
xmj: You'll have to agree that it's a bit harder if you do not actually know things have become this cheap.
xmj: things==medium-range enterprise grade used servers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0720003 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0254999 = 0.153 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0720002 = 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0720001 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07200006 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0718 = 0.359 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07160005 = 0.716 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150714 = 0.5005 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0279002 = 0.2511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0724 = 0.2172 BTC [-]
decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too.
decimation: It speaks to the rampant antinomianism of this age
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07004 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00085981 = 21.3233 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.02136999 = 0.8548 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07003 = 0.4902 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23899957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085856 = 21.0776 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.00482068 = 0.1205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00482069 = 0.1639 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085814 = 17.4202 BTC [-] {2}
davout: morneng
davout: today is hipster day
davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.000858 = 7.0785 BTC [-] {2}
davout: well, technically not drinking it yet, since the recommended 98°C for perfect coffee brewing is too hot for me
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: such hipster
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02136999 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00086121 = 4.6505 BTC [+]
punkman: hello
fluffypony: quote from an actual SMS from my wife: " the Germans replied with a list of what we need for our ehefaehigkeitszeugnis"
punkman: that can't be a word
fluffypony: that is a word and not her mashing the keyboard
fluffypony: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehefähigkeitszeugnis_(Deutschland)
assbot: Ehefhigkeitszeugnis (Deutschland) Wikipedia
fluffypony: it's some documentation we need to register our marriage in Germany
punkman: do you get germanycoins if you do?
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: only when the airdrop happens
punkman: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/obesity-research-confirms-long-term-weight-loss-almost-impossible-1.2663585 ☟︎
assbot: Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible - Health - CBC News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02109514 = 0.1055 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: xmj: You see, the difference between people who barrel of the cliff and people who actually think infrastructure is the later knows to investigate how cheap the good stuff has become.
xmj: BingoBoingo: I know
xmj: :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02100009 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: BingoBoingo: assume you spend two days obtaining the hardware, and another few days until it's all set up
BingoBoingo: I mean suppose the rare actually valuable idea in itself that could launch a tremendous venture... Do you really want to test the alpha on someone else's iron and risk them poaching it.
xmj: that's a manweek you do not spend on developing your product!!!!! ☟︎
punkman: oh noes
BingoBoingo: xmj: One can think while driving a truck
xmj: BingoBoingo: I had hoped the amount of !! would tip you off on that not being serious.
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes a person needs to wonder. I mean who doesn't check the prices on the not so old 30 processor capable machines
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086121 = 3.2726 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I mean, tech has advanced enough that the financial cost of doing "Big Iron" as a hobbyist is less than doing HF amateur radio
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.02035041 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.02035 = 0.9158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.02035005 = 0.407 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: actually, despite being a sysadmin with 8 or so year practice and i avoid messing with physical hw whenever i can. so what, kill me.
jurov: such as, i was never able to come up with complete setup for the first or second time
jurov: just give me trusted monkey for this
jurov: Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung is a word, too :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.02063024 = 0.5364 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: and .vermögensberatung is a TLD :D
punkman: more like the best TLD
punkman: alas, not approved yet
punkman: "The network solved only 1079 blocks this week, the lowest since January 27th 2013"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00086121 = 10.9804 BTC [+]
xmj: jurov: exactly my point
xmj: hardware isn't my strong point
xmj: just get me something that's compatible with FreeBSD and i'll build you a nice production environment.
pankkake: oh that's why you like vms, nothing works with freebsd unless it's ten years old
dub: hardware isthe domain of dirty system monkeys
dub: wtf does a 'startup' want with physical plant? owning inrastructure is for corporate behemoth, makes no sense in anything smaller than a 1000 staff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02040463 = 0.2245 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00086326 = 32.7176 BTC [+] {4}
xmj: dub: a similar statement got me ignored by mirceau..
jurov: xmj i remember something like you called him names
xmj: after he did.
jurov: or at least failed to qualify your statements properly
xmj: "He started it! He started it!" </kindergarden>
dub: you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded
jurov: in short, garden variety startups need not apply to #b-a
jurov: when i tried coworking with fellow startups i sticked out there like a sore thumb
davout: so apparently, and as predicted, mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself
pankkake: well buying sun servers is the parangon of hipsterism
pankkake: and would probably require infinite electricity
pankkake: but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup
davout: how does one burn freebsd on a bootable vinyl, that is the question
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pankkake: !b 1 ✂︎
jurov: if freebsd works on any machine with magnetophone tape loader, no problem
davout: "but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup" << no, pre-orders ftw
jurov imagines arriving into DC with a gramophone to load the OS after power outage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02400081 = 0.24 BTC [-]
dub: hopefully there is a distinction between #bitcoin-assets startups and moms #basement-attick startups
xmj: LOL
xmj: startups.
xmj: two i'm in the office with renewed server software / switched environment. tonight. both had demos / trade exhibitions scheduled in the morning when they needed stuff to work...
xmj: of course it didn't work come morning.
xmj: Naphex: I'm starting to embrace your point of view :p
pankkake: renewed server software?
xmj: pankkake: watercooler talk. not quite as rich on the details as you'd expect.
pankkake: I don't understand what that means at all
xmj: pankkake: OS, web application, bla, something new.
pankkake: so they updated the software before the demo, when the old version was working?
xmj: bingo.
pankkake: lol, no wonder I didn't get it, it was too absurd :)
xmj: ^5
jurov: yo, updates are addictive
jurov: with nasty widthdrawal syndromes
xmj: case in point, you just do not update things _the night before_ a demo.
pankkake: emerge -uDvN world ghnnnhr
xmj: "unsupported"
Naphex: xmj: not a point of view, reality :P
Naphex: you're starting to embrace reality
xmj: Naphex: there's not just one
Naphex: and maybe removing some brainwash
Naphex: :))
xmj: Naphex: please do understand that i have my own issues with venture-capitalist fundings.
xmj: i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king.
davout: Naphex: philosoraptor would wonder how brainwash could wash away
fluffypony: davout: got a sauce on the Xapo thing?
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/8uxiRNV.jpg
davout: fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-bitcoin-debit-card-launch-month/
assbot: Xapo Bitcoin Debit Card to Launch This Month
davout: funnily enough, their mockup still has the mastercard logo on it
fluffypony: ja I meant sauce on MasterCard saying no (besides MasterCard putting Bitcoin on their lobbying form)
fluffypony: oh it says there
fluffypony: "this turned out not to be the case"
davout: "The possibility had been raised that the Xapo card would launch on the MasterCard network, but this turned out not to be the case."
fluffypony: sorry can't read
fluffypony: I was hoping for juicy details
davout: you were there when it was predicted, nothing to be too suprised about :-)
fluffypony: heh heh
Naphex: davout: well you can def do the mastercard/visa thing
Naphex: if you wanna credit the customers
Naphex: even if its bitcoin
Naphex: in basics you just keep bitcoin as a guarantee and set a max limit for a month on a customer visa/master
Naphex: and then enjoy the risks
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639056.msg7144554#msg7144554 he even bought mpex stuff!
assbot: HEDGE FUND BTC
davout: no, the correct way is to use 3d secure and reject cards that don't get you a proper liability shift even with 3ds
davout: either way that's not what the convo was about :-)
Naphex: i wouldn't count 3dsecuire as ireversible
davout: it is, if you know what you're doing
Naphex: probably but in the end your only guns will be laywers&politics
davout: that's true for a lot of things
Naphex: yeah but it doesn't have to be with btc
davout: what are you talking about
davout: also the exact facts about 3ds and liability shift -> http://i.imgur.com/3MkZZ2E.png
davout: you'll thank me later :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02039527 = 1.0809 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0204125 = 0.1837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00086409 = 13.4798 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: so whats going on
fluffypony: pankkake: that's a surprising amount of MPEX assets
pankkake: well he just buys everything
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: and hopes for a return
fluffypony: lol
pankkake: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/1629355dd29c480be17f86fbe349f903173ef855/gottabuythemall.txt?at=master
assbot: pankkake / asslyrics / source / gottabuythemall.txt — Bitbucket
mircea_popescu: ahh, nanotube did i eve say just how much i love the gribble log-in scheme ?
mircea_popescu: it's the best thing that can ever be!
mircea_popescu: o, what did i miss ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we came up with a plan for world domination but then promptly forgot it
mircea_popescu: dun worry, usagi can halp
fluffypony: hah hah
pankkake: and now I have pinky and the brain in my head
mircea_popescu: pankkake, lol. mind dumping that fund's google braindamage on a text dump ?
davout: C'EST MINUS, C'EST MINUS ET CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX
mircea_popescu: "Buy the lite, buy the pee pee Soon the girls will be on their knees Buy the Quark, or maybe don't! Every day for you they will moan"
mircea_popescu: these are the most fucktarded lyrics i saw this week.
pankkake: I'm not sure it all rhymes
mircea_popescu: translated from french ?
pankkake: no
mircea_popescu: o, they ARE in french ?
pankkake: lol
davout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdk8vfKhoug
assbot: Gnrique Minus et Cortex - YouTube
pankkake: but I never write then translate, at least
mircea_popescu: davout, i give up.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck
mircea_popescu: "If you don't admit MP is your God, the story of your loss will be told"
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember tat doing this a while back. does ba nao have a collaborative lyrics page ?
pankkake: I tried to write those at the same time
mircea_popescu: ah
davout: Naphex: save the 3ds liability shift chart, it's going away in two minutes
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c yesterday I checked your page http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ and I saw that mpif was 15 satoshi ahead, and slowly gaining. so i went to sleep AND GAVE IT ALMOST TEN HOURS only to wake up and find that it is now ONLY !$ ahead. I was never told this can go backwards, I was led to expect this goes up WHAT SORT OF A SCAM ARE YOU RUNNNING!
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i don't think mike gets nearly enough customer support queries.
pankkake: I already annoyed him with the bitbet ads
mircea_popescu: a ok then
pankkake: in the end I got 0 BTC
pankkake: it still felt good
mircea_popescu: werll that's prolly cause your blog sucks :D
mircea_popescu: where did you put them btw ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too. << yeah i think so. and what "of this age", it's all ages. that's the beauty of it, the zero delta since forever.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them.
mircea_popescu: punkman: that can't be a word << i got bad news for you punky. ein ehefähigkeitszeugnis ist eine bescheinigung des deutschen standesamts zur eheschliessung im ausland.
pankkake: no I posted the asciminer bet on the forum, saying #bitcoin-assets preticted the crash days ago
mircea_popescu: what days lol, it was on trilema at the onset. for that matter, mpoe-pr did it on the forum
mircea_popescu: in september or w/e.
pankkake: yes, posted that one after too
mircea_popescu: did they froth ?
pankkake: I think so
mircea_popescu: life is good.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible - Health - CBC News << what sort of bullcrap research is htis ? holocaust deniers ?
mircea_popescu: xmj: that's a manweek you do not spend on developing your product!!!!! << moar like a boyweek. there IS a difference.
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mircea_popescu: !b 1 ✂︎
pankkake: link?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703511 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: if you lose weigth through shitty temporary diets that make you hungry all day, sure
mircea_popescu: o you meant the earlier ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703502 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: "Our biology taunts us, by making short-term weight loss fairly easy" well duh. it's the stupid way of losing weight
mircea_popescu: i dunno about it being stupid.
mircea_popescu: so you get hungry. who asked you ? shut up and fuck you. be hungry, and suffer.
pankkake: yes, but after that, you're going to resume your bad habits, and gain again
mircea_popescu: whoever told the current crop of imbeciles that pain avoidance is a legitimate goal of the thinking mind really did a number of them
mircea_popescu: no wonder they'll swallow any con. after that one, what else is there to really con them about ?
mircea_popescu: no you are not.
mircea_popescu: this is why yo usuffer : so it hurts you so badly yuou become a different person.
mircea_popescu: this is the importance of pain in human life. it changes who you are. substantially, definitively.
mircea_popescu: !up B51Num1
pankkake: it does, but I doubt it works for losing weight
mircea_popescu: why is that ?
pankkake: just empirical evidence
mircea_popescu: obviously you doubt. everyone all the time doubts, cause their interest is alligned that way. pain fucking hurts.
mircea_popescu: put the fatty in a cage, keep her there until she's acceptable weight,
mircea_popescu: put her back in there if she tips the scale again.
pankkake: I don't even try to argue about diets with girls anymore. I figure they just like to be hungry for a few weeks and then eat shit again
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: jurov: actually, despite being a sysadmin with 8 or so year practice and i avoid messing with physical hw whenever i can. so what, kill me. << i don't think we kill people for their preferences here.
mircea_popescu: or else a lot of things are quite unexplainable.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: oh that's why you like vms, nothing works with freebsd unless it's ten years old << lmao zing
mircea_popescu: dub: you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded << shut up and oracle!
xmj: mircea_popescu: what is it with you people not getting jokes.
xmj: I added five(!) exclamation marks.
mircea_popescu: davout: so apparently, and as predicted, mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this.
pankkake: xmj: arguing with mp requires a degree in popescuism, and I'm not sure anyone managed to finish it
mircea_popescu: da fuck you on about, people argue with me all the time.
pankkake: try to
mircea_popescu: a well. yes. all it requires is a degree in not saying really stupid shit. which, granted, is a rara avis these days, kids being pushed so hard to explore the space of possibilities they never learn to hedge their bets.
dub: a degree of popsecuity
mircea_popescu: you should see the screaming matches that errupt in my board meetings every while or so.
mircea_popescu: last time i broke a zaraza bottle.
fluffypony: dub: popescuity?
mircea_popescu: tis an old obscure private joek.
fluffypony: not to be confused with porpoisecuity?
mircea_popescu: the latter i never heard of , and to be quite frank with you it sounds liek a scam
dub: fuck is zaraza
mircea_popescu: dub, romanian cognac. quite good. the bottle is 1 inch thick glass.
pankkake: a doom metal band
xmj: pankkake: I did not estimate him being *that* literal.
fluffypony: http://awsassets.panda.org/img/original/finless2gaobaoyan.jpg <- porpoisecuity
fluffypony: scammers, the lot of them
dub: oh, I drank half a bottle of Louis XIII with some friends on the weekend
xmj: obviously after previous discussions I should have known better.
mircea_popescu: http://e-murfatlar.ro/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/IMG_0658_0.jpg that's the bottle
dub: predictably towards the end of an epic whisky binge
fluffypony: dub: oh I love that, haven't had a good cognac in ages
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, and you want me to come to SA ?!
chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ecb-cuts-interest-rates-2014-06-05?siteid=bnbh
assbot: ECB cuts interest rates - MarketWatch
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I mean I haven't opened my bottle and poured some
mircea_popescu: aok
fluffypony: been doing the craft beer thing for a while
mircea_popescu: hahaha chetty what are they now, 1 satoshi percent ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, o speaking of beer, these people have a faux guiness
chetty: interest rate on its deposit facility to -0.1% from 0%
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a local brand, and they clearly make it by their own recipe
mircea_popescu: but it's shockingly close.
mircea_popescu: chetty, you're kidding me ?!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cheaper too, I gather?
chetty: nope negative interest is here
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, i don't recall what it costs, but five bux a liter or somesuch
dub: check out the louis tres bottle
mircea_popescu: holy shit this is the end of europe.
Apocalyptic: oh yeah the BCE summit
mircea_popescu: no regime in history survived negative real interest.
dub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIII_de_R%C3%A9my_Martin
assbot: Louis XIII de Rmy Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Apocalyptic: I almost forgot it's today
mircea_popescu: dub, no i know, that thing could kill someone
mircea_popescu: blown glass blowfish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 725 @ 0.00039792 = 0.2885 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: so i guess ukip is going to form the government. by itself.
mircea_popescu: make your peace.
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 472.50000001, Best ask: 480.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.50000, Last trade: 480.0, 24 hour volume: 48.5678075, 24 hour low: 472.0, 24 hour high: 480.0, 24 hour vwap: 477.98122721
mircea_popescu: so i have this first mystery on my hands. on one haqnd, the english language propaganda is screaming about how argentina is a week away from default.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, the black market in dollars is stable.
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck does this work ?
pankkake: because the us is also a week away from default
Apocalyptic: for those interested, Mario lulzotron starting in 15 min at http://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/webcast/html/webcast_140605.en.html
assbot: ECB: Webcasts: ECB monetary policy decisions
mircea_popescu: pankkake, so what should i look at ? euro is similar, and not nearly as traded.
mircea_popescu: fucking shockingly beyond belief, they don't trade chinese anything either.
mircea_popescu: the icbc is quite present here, to the point they do consumer advertising either. yet the argentines don't seem to have created any sort of synthetic debenture based proxy for the chinese currency ☟︎
chetty: argentines are really stuck on dollars, with maybe btc second.
kakobrekla: usd was there first
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah
xmj: Apocalyptic: good catch
mircea_popescu: at any rate, im actually considering taking short dollar positions here.
xmj fires up stream
chetty: but a lot of the trade in argentina is actually with china, they sell lots of soy to china
xmj: Apocalyptic: they did publish the decision already didn't they?
Apocalyptic: xmj, don't forget your stock of popcorns
Apocalyptic: yeah, it's mainly a Q/A session from what I got
xmj: ECB cuts base interest rate from 0.25pc to 0.15pc and the deposit facility to -0.1pc to spur eurozone recovery and head off deflation
xmj: they did.
mircea_popescu: chetty, everyhing, really.
xmj: hmmm
xmj: Apocalyptic: I've given up my German residency earlier today
kakobrekla: this is euro for you today https://charts.mql5.com/4/896/eurusd-m1-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, how is panacea positioned btw ?
kakobrekla: nothing
kakobrekla: flat
mircea_popescu: that can't hurt.
Apocalyptic: sound call imo
Apocalyptic: during these annoucements you have to expect liquidity drops
mircea_popescu: aahaha that whiplash. a full fucking cent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17564 @ 0.00086414 = 15.1778 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yes, you cant play that.
xmj: i'll have to plunder my EUR bank account soon anyway.
mircea_popescu: how many billion pips is that again ?
kakobrekla: well or at least i cant.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, i think you might need your own server to play that :D
xmj: nice chart kakobrekla
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/05/does-time-back-bitcoin-or-does-bitcoin-back-time/
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many boutique fx funds are out of business as of half hour ago lol
kakobrekla: ;;calc 1.36438-1.35573
gribble: 0.00865
Apocalyptic: xmj, it's starting
kakobrekla: 86.5 pips
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.22005845 = 1.1003 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.23974636 = 0.4795 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: and its dropping moar.
pankkake: my brother works in the eur/usd options business, I'll ask him :D
kakobrekla: 1.3525
mircea_popescu: A record high temperature of 52.8 °C (127.0 °F), was recorded at Campo Gallo, Santiago del Estero Province on October 16, 1936.
mircea_popescu: dat global warming.
xmj: jeee their m3u stream sucksssss
mircea_popescu: pankkake, im asking around too. seems a bloodbath, plenty of trend followers bought on the upswing and are well panicked.
davout: mircea_popescu: "the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this." <<< whaddaya mean?
mircea_popescu: davout, make wallet, put mastercard on demo, get turned down, continue as if you hadn't.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, would be interesting if it hits 1.34
kakobrekla: na, not today.
davout: mircea_popescu: that's what i'm saying happened, you're not? your sentence doesn't fully compute
davout: talk to me like i'm 5, or dotcoin for the matter
mircea_popescu: davout, lol. i would expect a business in that situation to close, in general.
Apocalyptic: xmj, I don't believe they have annouced these LTROs earlier
xmj: Apocalyptic: the stream sucks so i'm not really looking at it.
xmj: Apocalyptic: it's the old "let's put out the fire by adding more oil" strategy they've been pursuing for the last five years.
davout: mircea_popescu: "let me ruin your day for you" << what do i care if *your* coffee is ruined :D
mircea_popescu: i don't actually drink much coffee
davout: yo, so make it count
davout: ;;rate ecb -0,10 made my day
gribble: Error: '-0,10' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: but from what i've observed merely the statement of this heresy gives coffee addicts toothache
chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpXe4l1IIAAnfB1.jpg
davout: i stopped getting worked up at that kind of things the day i tried australian sparkling red wine
fluffypony: chetty: what's that?
chetty: roasting coffee with sugar is sacrilege
Apocalyptic: EUR/USD obv
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: ah missed conversation above
xmj: EUR/USD is the only currency worth watching, fwiw
davout: chetty: if you *roast* it with sugar you'd get caramel, prolly added later on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23974603 BTC [-]
pankkake: sugar is sacrilege
davout: pankkake: o/
xmj pours HFCS over pankkake
davout: xmj: technically that's a pair
pankkake: pancakes are actually against my religion
Apocalyptic: <BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol
kakobrekla: here, so you can make yourself some backgrounds; http://i.imgur.com/HQz3UD3.png
xmj: err, yes,
davout: kakobrekla: to -moon !!1
xmj: davout: i had birthday yesterday. today it's a coworker's. obviously we've been celebrating that.
davout: xm: well, happy birthday
mircea_popescu: o wow 1.35 is gonna fall
xmj: i'm waiting for the DAX to crash
xmj: should probably revisit my broker and sell a few call options :p
Apocalyptic: french stocks are rallying
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> <BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol <<< it's lucky that all the major players ignored th efuckwits past .6 or so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00086464 = 16.1506 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23974646 = 2.3975 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: yeah
mircea_popescu: let's see what the derps have to say.
xmj: Apocalyptic: obviously
davout heads to -dev, grabs popcorn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [+]
xmj: DAX smashed through 10'000 points the first time, like it's nothing.
mircea_popescu: the silence of the guilty is deafening.
Apocalyptic: <wumpus> anyhow having to upgrade openssl because of critical vulnerabilities is starting to be a monthly occurence // heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.24139995 = 2.414 BTC [+] {3}
xmj: HAH
pankkake: 0.9.1 makes me lol. nothing changed except version of openssl, which only affects broken platforms with bundled dependencies
pankkake: but then linux distros didn't update to it, and users wonder why it doesn't have the latest
xmj: I'm waiting for openbsd to release libressl-portable.
xmj: can't wait to replace openssh-portable :]
mircea_popescu: the exact way in which the various distros do the updating is imo the best way to diagnose usg moles in foss.
mircea_popescu: one of the few points which lends itself to statystical analysys.
pankkake: what about the debian "let's replace random data by zeros" guy?
mircea_popescu: i did say statistical.
xmj: let's buy some options.
pankkake: arguably this was because openssl was doing very weird things
mircea_popescu: "The attack can only be performed between a vulnerable client *and* server." followed by "OpenSSL clients are vulnerable in all versions of OpenSSL." for great winj, and then "Servers are only known to be vulnerable in OpenSSL 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta1."
mircea_popescu: someone should tell me this ALSO was accidental.
mircea_popescu: or to quote myself,
mircea_popescu: "I didn’t quote or link because I support OpenSSL or their efforts. I do not. For one thing I do not believe they are honest, for the other I do not believe they are competent. In either case I do not believe the project should survive, or has any further utility. All those involved should, in my considered opinion, go home, do something else with their time, and as far as possible erase the shameful involvement wit
mircea_popescu: h OpenSSL from their resumes."
kakobrekla: 1.355, someone realized usd is worthless too!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, govt support will only work so far tho. fiat paper isn't gold, and isn't supressablre as gold
kakobrekla: myea
mircea_popescu: anyway, a negative interest rate opens the window for infinite inflation, which countries like italy or greece may actually see, however briefly.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if we'll see a draghi hour. (named after "earth hour", where people supposedly don't use any energy for a whole hour once a year, the draghi hour is an hour where nobody buys anything whatsoever. it results from inflationary price shocks, supply side inflationary blockage and people being generally poor and justifiably hopeless)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.24728196 = 0.4946 BTC [+]
jurov: pankkake: makalu wanted me to help him to list on mpex, i mentioned it earlier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24899999 BTC [+]
xmj: well.
xmj: My Broker requires me to accept a notice of abandonment of Bank Secrecy in order to be able to trade US Futures.
xmj: #NotGonnaHappen
mircea_popescu: lol how did that go
xmj: I hadn't logged in in more than a year. Apparently the broker has to comply with a few more KYC laws now.
Naphex: why isnt update limit/delete limit part of sql standard
Naphex: so annoying
fluffypony: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/03/fbi-busts-russian-hacked-created-zeus-cryptolocker/9919985/
assbot: Russian hacker engineered dazzling worldwide crime spree
davout: Naphex: use DELETE WHERE id IN (...)
Naphex: old news
Naphex: wonser whar
Naphex: wonder what took em
fluffypony: FINE
fluffypony: https://www.circle.com/2014/05/21/circle-debut-questions/
assbot: Circle Debut Questions
fluffypony: less old new
davout: Naphex: i miss the Oracle REPLACE
fluffypony: news
Naphex: davout: yeah but where in is so shitty
Naphex: fluffypony: zeus was pure poop
davout: Naphex: on mysql it's retarded, they fixed it with mariadb
fluffypony: Naphex: but he's ELEET RUSSIAN HAXER
Naphex: davout: im a psql guy most of rhe time all is well
davout: phew :D
davout: i'll need to switch sometime
Naphex: fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php
fluffypony: lol
Apocalyptic: "zeus had crappy rc4 encryption" // must have been running on Swift too
Naphex: what says about moderb aecurity when silly russian coders can do so much dmg with such simple tools
ThickAsThieves: Sup doods
Naphex: fluffypony: the tools tla's use are much more avanced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07379038 = 2.1399 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony: Naphex: no doubt
Naphex: wonder what they do with that much access
Naphex: since russians just loot
Naphex: what do the tlas and its agents do with it?
jurov: was security listed as one of swift bullet points? i doubt very much
jurov: even if it was, it des not says anything about actual implementation
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dub: they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly
dub: (true story)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00233137 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: also euro back at 1.36, to the --moon
Apocalyptic: eurmoon is near
jurov: ;;g s.limbs
gribble: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;google s.limbs
gribble: s.limbs - MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.: <http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.LIMBS>; MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.: <http://mpex.co/>; dict.cc | limbs | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch: <http://www.dict.cc/?s=limbs>
jurov: muhahahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.24978761 = 12.4894 BTC [+] {11}
mircea_popescu: o look it's ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: you settled with da SEC yet ?
mircea_popescu: i hear going rate is like $500 for minors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, actually afaik they got him in april.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.255 = 1.275 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> you settled with da SEC yet ? --- I have no business with them at this time.
kakobrekla: its not that. they have a biz with you.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's cheaper than legal advice, too.
ThickAsThieves: I have spent more on lawyers than Erik has paid the SEC, yes
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php << forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: how goes the South African cat-sitting plans?
mircea_popescu: <dub> they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly << muy true.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, ill bet you it's going to 1.3 before 1.4
mircea_popescu: !up AlexWkz
kakobrekla: you do know its 1.36 by now
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony, no updates, a euro trip is also being discussed
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: we're most likely going to be in Europe in Sept
fluffypony: so plan accordingly
kakobrekla: https://charts.mql5.com/4/897/eurusd-m5-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, yes.
ThickAsThieves: hehe, i'm not sure fitting london and sa into the same trip would work
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no no - I mean we can meet up in Europe for lunch
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, i thought it's the only way that works.
mircea_popescu: anyone other than the brits evcen fly to sa anymore ?!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: direct flights to NY
fluffypony: and Frankfurt and Singapore and Oz and a bunch of other places
mircea_popescu: fine
mircea_popescu: i got nothing!
fluffypony: we're not *that* backwards
fluffypony: :-P
los_pantalones: come to nyc!
mircea_popescu: ola red guy.
fluffypony: los_pantalones: we'll probably do a US trip in July-ish 2016
ThickAsThieves: surely there's Washington to SA, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.27837499 = 4.454 BTC [+] {3}
los_pantalones: you guys plan travel out 2 years?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are ready to retire
fluffypony: los_pantalones: rough plans yes - can't really afford the time to do more than 2 overseas holidays a year (business trips notwithstanding)
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones, just about yes
mircea_popescu: why doi you think conference has a 1 year leadin
fluffypony: ^^
los_pantalones: well, conference, ok
los_pantalones: but a quick weekend somewhere? can squeeze that in any time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28 = 1.12 BTC [+]
fluffypony: los_pantalones: we never do quick weekends overseas because flight time is always 12+ hours wherever we go
ThickAsThieves: takes a weekend just to get back and forth to many places
los_pantalones: i'm like a child and just wandered into a conversation
los_pantalones: my bad
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: well you're at least contrary
ThickAsThieves: fits right in
fluffypony: the trip to BA will be a 32-ish hour trip (including a 3hr layover), thank heavens for business class
los_pantalones: i went to abu dhabi for an afternoon
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, holy inferno batman.
ThickAsThieves: been digging into Anathem lately, good stuff, fucking long book.
los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves that's one of his best
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00253725 = 0.2258 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i think i will read Antifragile next
mircea_popescu: lance sackless in abu dhabi for an afternoon : http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Remember+the+buttwalk+.+90s+kids+remember_26009e_4606557.jpg
ThickAsThieves: so ebay ceo says he owns bitcoins and worded his interview today like paypal/ebay using digital currency is inevitable
mircea_popescu: which it is.
ThickAsThieves: pankkake, you have any time for an ATC project?
ThickAsThieves: small one i think
mircea_popescu: jurov: muhahahaha << lool goog one
ThickAsThieves: need an executable of the Altcoin wallet for Windows that auto-finds nodes, so no terminal futzing is needed (also recompiling from current source would remove the coingen.io branding from currently available .exe)
mircea_popescu: actually i want some people willing to do c to windows compiles too, for eulora
mircea_popescu: and yes it's a paid thing
ThickAsThieves: same here
mircea_popescu: should prolly put it all over github. "BA HIRING WINDOWS COMPILER PERSON"
ThickAsThieves: we could use Hearns Lighthouse
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so you want to put some reliable nodes in the default list?
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: i want it to work
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable enough desire i think
fluffypony: agreed
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, wouldnt it be better to have a sourc ehardcoded which publishes a txt manifest ?
ThickAsThieves: i have no idea
mircea_popescu: like, on start it seeds from tatssplendidlist.com/nodes.txt
mircea_popescu: then you make sure there's working ips there
ThickAsThieves: seems odd to rely on my own domain, but i guess it could work
mircea_popescu: well no but it had a domain no ?
mircea_popescu: what was it i forget
ThickAsThieves: how did Bitcoin handle it?
mircea_popescu: ;;google the real altcoin
gribble: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.: <http://www.therealaltcoin.org/>; The Real Altcoin (TheRealAltcoin) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin>; [NEW CASINO! SHA256] Altcoin - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0>
ThickAsThieves: right
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, similarly, originally.
ThickAsThieves: and now?
mircea_popescu: now it has a discovery mechanism
mircea_popescu: so does the atc, but the nodes are too sparse for it to workj see
ThickAsThieves: understoof
ThickAsThieves: i'll gladly put a txt wherever the programmer suggests
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.28833333 = 3.46 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.29199994 = 2.628 BTC [+] {4}
davout: ThickAsThieves fluffypony lemme me know about europe plans, I'll meet you for lunch if you guys are in london
fluffypony: davout: I've got meetings in Paris anyway, so was planning on seeing you and pankkake on that side
davout: i've never seen pankkake, apparently i smell or something
davout: :D
ThickAsThieves: i suspect pankkake hates human interaction
ThickAsThieves: well, maybe hate is the wrong word
davout: too soft?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00273929 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {4}
davout: ThickAsThieves: you gonna come to paris too at some point ?
ThickAsThieves: at some point, very likely, just hard to tell when
ThickAsThieves: the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year
davout: let me know before boarding your plane, that'll be more than enough
ThickAsThieves: but i do like how this has opened up a dynamic of me travelling alone if i feel like it
davout: "the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year" <<< too much romance to handle?
ThickAsThieves: haha
davout: ThickAsThieves: you got a little leash slack ? :D
ThickAsThieves: no, she loves work too much
davout: i forgot what she does
ThickAsThieves: "development" for a wildlife conservation center
ThickAsThieves: fundraising essentially
davout: my first thought for "development" of a wildlife development job was organizing inseminations
ThickAsThieves: she also part-owns an online education biz
ThickAsThieves: davout, while she has no involvement, organizing inseminations happens to be a large part of her employer's mission
davout: he's the one with the semen
ThickAsThieves: some rhinos and such being at risk for inbreeding, they ship animals around the world, to and fro, to keep a healthy mix
davout: interesting
davout: potato rhinos, wonder what one'd look like
ThickAsThieves: for all we know, all current rhinos are pretty much retarded
davout: lol
davout: we should send them to btctalk
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if other mammals have infinite hit point phenomena
ThickAsThieves: like all the smart flamingos are standing around on two legs complaining about the one-leggers all day
Apocalyptic: redditards do
ThickAsThieves: (not that flamingos are mammals...)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.293 BTC [-]
davout: meanwhile, btc quietly took 12 eur today
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=640236.0
assbot: Mimex delisted from BitcoinBourse. Shareholders beware.
fluffypony: BitcoinBourse want 2 BTC + 1 BTC a month?
fluffypony: wtf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.293 = 0.586 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Havelock has similar fees
ThickAsThieves: it's still not enough to make money anyway
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I don't have a problem with the fees, I have a problem with them suddenly deciding to charge the fees
fluffypony: one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them
ThickAsThieves: i agree
ThickAsThieves: HL did similar ideas
ThickAsThieves: some things were left no fee for a while
ThickAsThieves: etc
fluffypony: then again, this is BitcoinBourse
fluffypony: source of teh lulz
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29215763 = 1.1686 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zaraza bottle << seriously!? 'зараза' == 'disease, contagion'
benkay: <xmj> i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king. // the subtlety's always lost and generally pointless. their feelings aren't worth protecting. go for the jugular.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << if i recall, you're friends with the fellow who runs it, ask him wtf
xmj: benkay: oh, don't worry.
xmj: benkay: it always yields a "no", so my script is to ask if they have paying customers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0209994 = 0.147 BTC [+]
xmj: as that one is most often a no too, i ask how long their company is still funded.
xmj: i've scripted it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00086603 = 14.9823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 600 @ 0.00041317 = 0.2479 BTC [+] {2}
xmj: as i'm most often in company of cashflow-negative startups, i usually add something that lets them save face.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them. << i only ever found 1 acceptable cup in bsas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.293 = 1.172 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: zeus trojan << very educational case. zeus is a very poorly designed turd, but it is smashingly popular on account of a thousand spamz0r idiots buying 'custom' builds and paying to have them spammed out to chumps. see also one of mp's old articles on spam being a 'cargo cult.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.294 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php, forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters << even the most pathetic public ftp can still host an rsa-signed blob for trojan payload. number of crap artists who do 'the right thing'? not 1 in 100.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> on the other hand, the black market in dollars is stable. // as in price is holding? over what timeframe?
benkay: ;;gettrust kleinessteak
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kleinessteak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=kleinessteak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kleinessteak | Rated since: never
benkay: !up kleinessteak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07003021 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
benkay: logs done!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00299961 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00299961 = 0.3 BTC [+]
pankkake: Shakespeare: I don't have the knowledge of windows compiles
pankkake: but it certainly is needed for Altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05653332 = 1.1307 BTC [+] {9}
mircea_popescu: <davout> too soft? << lmao
mircea_popescu: pankkake, you know i can vouch for davout, he's not annoying in person.
davout: mircea_popescu: are you implying i'm annoying online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.29239284 = 8.187 BTC [-] {5}
davout: mircea_popescu: i'd appreciate it if you could also confirm my smell is only moderate
pankkake: davout: I am not seeing anyone really. I am usually too tired :(
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> (not that flamingos are mammals...) << one of those moments :D
mircea_popescu: davout, i couldn't smell anything past your fanny.
mircea_popescu: omfg check me out i made a multiple entendre
asciilifeform chokes
davout: "davout, i couldn't smell anything past your fanny" <<< bwhahaha
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them << you think too far ahead to be part of the kickstarter revolution
mircea_popescu: gotta get some kicks ot the head first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.98211858 BTC to 8`242 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
fluffypony: lol
pankkake: did you guys see kickstarter opened the scamgates?
davout: btw she's now officially a professionnal instructor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ><< you familiar with how romanian twists russian words. it's like a sort of trolling.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in ro it's a girl's name, disused since the 1930s.
asciilifeform: lol yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00086361 = 11.9178 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;google vreau sa-mi spui, frumoasa zaraza, cine te-a iubit ; citi au plins, nebuni, dupa tine, si citi au murit.
gribble: Price List - Zaraza Club & Lounge: <http://www.zarazabar.ro/en/>; Povesti ale Micului Paris | Informal.RO: <http://www.informal.ro/2011/01/povesti-ale-micului-paris/>
mircea_popescu: benkay, you realise the black marketr dollar is more of a future than a spot. i should already see this future collapse in the price today.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, been 11.5ish for two weeks.
mircea_popescu: google is so useless.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SmSmCKdSPA
assbot: Cristian Vasile Zaraza - YouTube
asciilifeform: ok since 'everyone' keeps asking, there is no (public) proof that discrete logarithm problem is np-complete. more interestingly, also no rigorous proof that rsa difficulty is equal to that of factoring problem.
benkay: implying that kirchner et al have stopped printing? kinda hard to b'leev.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed.
benkay: also i would like to borrow some dogecoin. will collateralize etc.
mircea_popescu: benkay, no, implying that they don't print faster than the yus
mircea_popescu: which is not nearly as hard to believe. argentines are fucking lazy.
mircea_popescu: point in case : i go into a tiny shop to have a pile of keys copied. guy starts working.
mircea_popescu: older derp wanders into shop, to buy... a lightbulb.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to know more re: dl or rsa, is advised to... read books.
mircea_popescu: goes into endless explanation as to where he needs it (bathroom) and whjat for (to have light)
mircea_popescu: guy is meanwhile sorta half working
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0299107 = 0.7478 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: \then stops completely to derp with this guy, who finally leaves.
mircea_popescu: then his SHOP ASSISTANT, which he apparently HAD but couldn't be bothered to bother, walks in
mircea_popescu: apparently the guy's phone rang, which ius sufficient cause to interrupr business.
mircea_popescu: so he launches into a conversation with ramon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where he needs it (bathroom) and whjat for (to have light) << the inescapable conclusion is that he needs it: in his arse, and as to what for: to expand his annulus diameter.
mircea_popescu: takes them two hours to pick their nose they're so busy being social.
mircea_popescu: then i leave and he's like trying to apologize and explaoin he meant no disrespect
mircea_popescu: im like fuck you you idiot, what disrespect, we aren't friends, this isnt a fucking social call at your gentlemen's club
mircea_popescu: you do a shit job and will die hungry at this rate.
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mike_c: you sound like a new yorker
mircea_popescu: i am a new yorker.
mircea_popescu: they sadly ran out of new york.
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asciilifeform: !b 3 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: !up KRS1
KRS1: hey guys =D
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.
KRS1: had to laugh at that ..LOVE IT. <+mircea_popescu> you do a shit job and will die hungry at this rate.
KRS1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Vexual> rails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07318981 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {4}
davout: i'm off, ttyal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25512 @ 0.0008667 = 22.1113 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona: good morning bitcoin-assets o/
benkay: morning, cgcardona
cgcardona: hey dude
benkay: how's it going?
cgcardona: pretty good. My family moved from SF back to kauai about 2 months ago and we're finally in the groove. Working remotely w/ a team from the mainland. I'm very happy. thanks for asking. You?
benkay: that sounds lovely!
cgcardona: we were in a small apartment at first but just got into something much nicer and cleaner this week w/ my own office. so this morning i'm particularly stoked :)
benkay: well, a deal closed and the wire cleared this week so i'm feeling particularly good about that
cgcardona: boom
cgcardona: yes that's one of the best types of feelings
benkay: promoted another lead myself, and had a second fall into my lap via a friend, so the pipeline is not empty either
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00293658 = 0.2848 BTC [-] {3}
cgcardona: yea finding devs is the most challening thing. when in SF I witnessed many people raise money and then struggle to even find people to build their idea out.
cgcardona: i worked at Truila for a while and was on the hiring team for the mobile engineering dept. They offered really good salaries, stock, medical, etc and it was still hard to find people in SF
benkay: this is not actually a problem i have.
benkay: yet (?)
cgcardona: Google, Apple, FG, just eat em all up
cgcardona: oh really
cgcardona: ?
benkay: really.
cgcardona: any reason in particular?
benkay: we have a sweet stack, pay pretty well, and don't expect to see people that often.
benkay: mind you i'm not hiring 150/hr devs
cgcardona: sure.
benkay: the stack really helps.
cgcardona: do you do web generalized stuff or crypto specific stuff?
cgcardona: i remember seeing your site once but I'm spacing on what your stack was
cgcardona: i remember the site being visually quite nice
Mats_cd03: its turtles all the way down
cgcardona: teenage mutant ninja turtles no less
benkay: web and mobile + design primarily. some actual asymmetric crypto of late as well.
benkay: we also don't really talk about the stack to non-devs. it's just not relevant about 100% of the time.
benkay: but: clojure APIs; angular single-page frontends.
benkay: datomic for data persistence and docker for process isolation
benkay: SUCH HIPSTER
cgcardona: haha
cgcardona: yea I'm rails/haml/sass/coffeescript
cgcardona: also pretty hipster i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.020402 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2}
cgcardona: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 655.58, Best ask: 656.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 656.0, 24 hour volume: 10794.76087179, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 654.264998524
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00086337 = 21.1957 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07003 = 0.7003 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00293885 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0028017 = 0.2802 BTC [-]
pankkake: friedcat update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg7147330#msg7147330
assbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304382 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 33 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 14 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11741647483.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.29879
Naphex: so, mike_c is #bitcoin-assets suposed to kinda work like P2P vc firm?:)
mike_c: !up mdev
mike_c: Naphex: in what way? i see it more like an actually useful entrepreneur club.
mdev: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
mdev: is bitcoin address reuse dangerous?
Naphex: not yet
Naphex: :P
mike_c: mdev: http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/
assbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Naphex: (excluding anonimization)
mdev: privacy and all that is fine
mdev: #bitcoin ops quieted me, probably indefinitely because he says bitcoin address reuse is dangerous, even though link after link that i've found, while most discourage it, non i've seen actually say it's dangerous
mdev: the android bug was a result of a bad random number gen
pankkake: addresses that never had outgoing transactions are sligthly more secure, as the private key is hidden
pankkake: public*
Naphex: i'm guessing they just want to stay with the privacy line
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00280024 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: also if you do a lot of transactions and don't want to double spend you're going to have to use multiple addresses
pankkake: if you were quieted by #bitcoin ops welcome here!
pankkake: ;;ident mdev
gribble: Nick 'mdev', with hostmask 'mdev!~mdev@unaffiliated/mdev', is not identified.
pankkake: Naphex: you could also do it like MP, with a unique transaction amount
pankkake: though it is definitively a weird idea
Naphex: what do you mean?
pankkake: hm unless I am mistaken in what you want
Naphex: i ment that if you use a single bitcoin address
Naphex: you can only move the full amount every time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
pankkake: but to distinguish transactions the process is : "I want to send 1 BTC" "ok, send me 1.00000832 BTC"
Naphex: so if you don't want to double spend / or do more then 1 transaction per confirmation
pankkake: oh, well, no. you can have multiple inputs on one address
Naphex: the only option is to use multiple addresses
Naphex: say i have 1 BTC in 1A
Naphex: and i want to send 0.5
pankkake: https://blockchain.info/unspent?active=1nick1RghphWeKG47ZDjpjJQLnjFvwCty&format=html
assbot: Unspent Outputs 1nick1RghphWeKG47ZDjpjJQLnjFvwCty
pankkake: this address, for example, has 0.032 + 63.69 BTC
pankkake: and if you send say 0.1, only one of the two will be used
pankkake: you can easily see that with coin control features of bitcoin-qt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9257 @ 0.00086158 = 7.9756 BTC [-]
Naphex: aye, i shsould've said outputs :P
Naphex: unspent outputs*
benkay: bitcoin "devs" are idiotically and self-destructively committed to this "no reuse" idea, ever since implementing the braindead wallet schema that creates new addrs for your change
benkay: this is why bitcoin-qt wallets go bad after some tens of transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09333333 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: benkay: hypothesis: the devs have an 'address telescope' (box that continuously generates random addrs/keys) and are the kind of folks who like to play lotto.
benkay: hah that's a good one asciilifeform
mdev: the public key argument thing, about it being exposed after the first transaction, not sure why that's an issue, RSA is based off handing out public keys, I know bitcoin uses ECDMA or whatever, but still if the public key can't be trusted
mdev: don't get why that's being used
Naphex: mdev: if there are not transaction your pubkey is unavailable
Naphex: no* transactions
asciilifeform moved to different town recently, there are lottery machines everywhere
mdev: sure, but once your public key is out there
mdev: don't get why they're so concerned
mdev: if that alg is weak or they're not sure about its reliability why didn't they use a more trustworthy one like RSA
mdev: since that's relied on with HTTPS all day ever day
asciilifeform: mdev: long keys
benkay: simple solution: top up your hot address from cold addresses infrequently, spend from the hot address as frequently as you want. minimize risk by minimizing coins in the hot, potentially compromisable address.
benkay: old hat, this.
mdev: so they used a weaker alg to shorten the key length, does that mean if the alg they used gets compromised all addresses that have done transactions are vulnerable anyway?
mdev: if they have coins in them?
pankkake: it's not necessarily weaker
mdev: well that seems to be the only argument i've seen, security wise as far as not reusing addresses
mdev: the fear it's vulnerable or could be
Naphex: its related to quantum computing
Naphex: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/
assbot: Bitcoin Is Not Quantum-Safe, And How We Can Fix It When Needed Bitcoin Magazine
pankkake: well, if you can have the extra security, why not. but I feel like ripemd160 would be breakable before ecdsa ;)
pankkake: lol quantum
asciilifeform: mdev: mp had an entirely unrelated argument (in favour of reusing) - http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity
assbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: it was just linked before
asciilifeform: ah right
asciilifeform didn't read log
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I never proposed anything that old... Everything I supposed is still 64 bit...
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 75k@202 10k@200 2k@185 | 50k@143 175k@142 34k@140
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00086132 = 21.1454 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/1800crescendo/gatsby
assbot: Crescendo - Gatsby (Official Single) by Cre_scen_do on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTPOKaz8o4
assbot: Milky Chance - Flashed Junk Mind - YouTube
asciilifeform: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/05/shrinkflation-in-usa.html
assbot: SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: "Shrinkflation" in USA
asciilifeform: ^ i've been noticing this for years, evidently not the only one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00086263 = 16.0018 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Let us not forget the US's fauxartisinalflation where the same old crap is fancied up and then marked up (also in smaller packages).
Mats_cd03: but, boutique
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd guess that this kind of thing is driven by ordinary consumer product shrinkflation, rather than vice versa
asciilifeform: if you're gonna buy a $10 bar of soap, it might as well be made from weasel fat if you go in for that kind of thing.
asciilifeform: the practical limit for 'shrinkflation' is, i imagine, the point where the pharmacy and its supply chain can no longer compete with your neighbour brewing soap from corpses or whatever in his cellar.
asciilifeform: a kind of 'soft' deindustrialization.
asciilifeform: unrelated:
asciilifeform: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/04/usd-sniffing-dogs-in-argentine-borders.html
assbot: SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: USD Sniffing Dogs in Argentine Borders
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu, chetty: can you comment?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was more thinking of grain products, like beer, bread, etc. Where a rougher cheaper version of the same final product finds itself placed on the shelf as a "premium" good.
BingoBoingo: Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a fellow upstairs from my old flat ran a full scale brewery (in a similarly small flat...)
asciilifeform: complete with heating systems, filtration gizmos, computer controls.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of my brothers does something similar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00086301 = 2.1575 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen many home brews though that avoid the inadverdent inclusion of undesirable flora in their fermentation process.
asciilifeform: i tasted his product, survived.
Mats_cd03: yuengling has made its way into boston
Mats_cd03: is not bad
lobbes: just had a yuengling at lunch - I like it as well
mike_c: i disagree, boston is too cold.
BingoBoingo: The brother once tried making a pear cider instead of a beer with te standard industrial grain. It revealed the small off taste in his product for a while was an enterococcous which could finally thrive on something other than shitty grain. He did not take my advice for cleansing his setup after that episode.
BingoBoingo: ;;google drinking record barrel fire
gribble: Lammers Barrel Factory - Environmental Protection Agency: <http://www.epa.gov/region5/superfund/npl/ohio/OHD981537582.html>; Fire Hydrant Operation and Inspection - Acrp.com: <http://www.acrp.com/downloads/dso4.pdf>; Fire hydrant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydrant>
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:thedrinkingrecord.com proper barrel fire
gribble: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/>
BingoBoingo: ^ Something like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.289 = 1.445 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: barrel fire with disks << don't do it near folks you want to stay on friendly terms with.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2899 = 0.5798 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm telling you if you minimize the pcb content of the fire it isn't any worse than the smell when other locals burn yard waste. Also hotter fires produce less smells.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless you're in a justified hurry, just burn the platters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Usually what I do. NAND is also relatively clean burning...
diametric: hahaha http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-bans-researcher-supercomputer-mining/
assbot: US Government Bans Researcher for Supercomputer Bitcoin Mining
asciilifeform: old news?
diametric: not sure when it took place but the report was published today it seems
BingoBoingo: Looks like further consequences of old news.
asciilifeform: no mention of what kind of machine was involved
asciilifeform: if it was one of the (rare) fpga clusters, it might've been interesting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02400013 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: !up mdev
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.289965 = 2.8997 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02099929 = 0.21 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "I have a suspicion that the entire scheme is vulnerable to Gödelization." << I like how you raised this in 2010 and the problem of this in Urbit has only grown...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086501 = 12.1966 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit is drowning in its own shit, just like every other software project which clings to the ubiquitous 1970s conceptual crapola. nothing exotic/godelian about it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd differ with you on the Godellian problem of 70's crapola being exotic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you might be thinking of this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem is mundane/human rather than mathematical. excess complexity makes everyone who is trying to 'swallow' a discipline (or particular engineering design) stupider. quite like tying weights to a marathon runner.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit is actually a great example of what happens when some bozo thinks he can substitute mathematical trickery for understandability
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, I've been rereading early loper and looking back at the urbit groups.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.29401999 = 14.701 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02099929 = 0.105 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here's a good educational example of how the founding premise of crap computing, 'you can abstract over complexity', is a lie: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154
assbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.2948 = 1.7688 BTC [+]
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing. // in the beer case, that 'fould' is far superior to that coming out of the mass-produced garbage
asciilifeform: (for smart-arses who answer, 'this won't work with a language having a full numeric tower' - the answer is, we can tear the paper off your abstraction by analyzing timing)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.2948 = 2.0636 BTC [+]
jurov: usd shiffing dogs? bah. i hope there are no btc sniffing dogs next year
benkay: smelling numbers
benkay: stinky numbers
jurov: dogecoins :D
BingoBoingo: It's a mundane problem of human stupidity abusing the human capacity for intelligence. I'd definitely call the venture Augustinian.
asciilifeform: hope there are no btc sniffing dogs << laugh, but i bet some bozo is working on ferreting out 'kulaks' through pheromonal sensing of one kind or another. fellow who walks around knowing he's loaded, probably can be smelled, in principle
kakobrekla: so thats why we couldnt smell davout over fanny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29499999 = 3.54 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay: There are reasons I prefer distilled spirits. There are a few sulphur compounds that are too... unpleasant to be tasted if it can be avoided. (most wine avoids this problem. I imagine this is because the prefered flora producing fermentation are more civilized).
benkay: BingoBoingo: are these sulphurs in all beers?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Not all. A lot of the homebrews can pick them up through poor hygiene allowing undesirable flora to produce them.
asciilifeform: https://www.eff.org/torchallenge << add eff to stooge list ?
assbot: Tor Challenge
mike_c: this line cracks me up every time
mike_c: "But at present, the microscope again and again goes 'clang!' against the table, the nails slowly and crookedly creep inward, and tiny shards of the world’s finest lenses fly in all directions."
BingoBoingo: EFF seems to suffer from the librarian view of technology, hard to tell if they are stooges or unaware.
asciilifeform: 'stooge' needn't imply awareness
BingoBoingo: Fair enough.
danielpbarron: my brother is into beer making; his last batch was some sort of IPA and I liked it a lot (for someone who doesn't generally drink beer)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 300 @ 0.00039777 = 0.1193 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Highlight of the Loper comments probably has to be "Don’t make the mistake almost all engineers make: believing that the evolutionary tree of technological possibilities is trimmed by a benevolent gardener, rather than torn up by a mindless storm. Leaving not the most viable and fruitful branches, but a fairly random selection of the thickest."
BingoBoingo: related http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/medicine-by-committee.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Medicine by committee
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02460792 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: must be pretty rought to be one of the many ragnar danneskjolds on the net. everywhere you go, no one gets the reference.
BingoBoingo: indeed
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The futility of your efforts on Bitcointalk http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/09/overdose-victim-mutters-dont-give-me-narcan-as-medics-arrive-on-the-scene/
assbot: Overdose Victim Mutters Dont Give Me Narcan - Gomerblog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]
fluffypony: *clicks*
BingoBoingo: !up adrrr
BingoBoingo: !up mjr_
BingoBoingo: !up reeses
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2949999 = 1.18 BTC [-]
pankkake: "He started to threaten all our wives and children, name by name" this is indeed like the forum
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1080 @ 0.0004186 = 0.4521 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24122 @ 0.00086633 = 20.8976 BTC [+] {3}
adrrr: Hi, I received my piper wallet :) but wrong electrical outlet, maybe a specialist could advise me about the place to find an adapter (France) ? ty
pankkake: most supermarkets sell universal adapters
pankkake: http://www.sabmegastore.com/images/articles/a/ADA-ALIM-SEC-UNI.jpg
adrrr: k thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00086368 = 4.8694 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.31322495 = 12.529 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: for 600/yr, you can get either: amazon's rapaciously underpowered m1.medium with 1 vcpu 3.76G ram and apparently 4G of ssd (???????) OR a quad-core i7 with 32G ram and 4T 7200 platters and 20G of space at Hetzner
benkay: to throw fuel on the 'cloud' fire.
pankkake: the overpricing isn't all that bothers me. it's the usual ignorance, for example not knowing "cloud" storage is usually lying to you
pankkake: and you end up with data corruption by ignoring it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.329 = 9.212 BTC [+]
mike_c: benkay: link? i don't see dedicated hetzner's for less than $800 a year
mike_c: and an m1 is $420 a year
benkay: ha lol okay so euros are not dollars first off
benkay: idiot kid...
benkay: <--
mike_c: ah, k
benkay: and an m1 medium is about 600
mike_c: an m1 is exactly $422.20 a year
mike_c: m1.m
benkay: scuse me. m3 medium.
mike_c: those are cheaper
mike_c: $379.68 a year
mike_c: cloud rulez!
benkay: are you looking at reserved instances?
mike_c: yes
asciilifeform: i've caught myself wondering if a 'cloud' company which explicitly promises to steal and use your data for whatever purpose, might be even cheaper.
asciilifeform: then again, google already exists.
mike_c: plus, i can't shoot my hetzner box in the head at will.
benkay: yeah it's a thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1380 @ 0.00041861 = 0.5777 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: pankkake: what do you mean about the storage lying to you? you mean about whether data has been committed?
pankkake: yes
mike_c: hm. hard drives do the same thing though. write caches and what not.
pankkake: that's one of the reasons to use journaling filesystems
Mats_cd03: hetzner is an abomination
mike_c: why? i've heard good things previously.
Mats_cd03: horrible customer service
pankkake: you get what you pay for basically - same as ovh
Apocalyptic: ^
Mats_cd03: north koreans shouting ones and zeros into telephones have better uptime
Mats_cd03: ;;ticker all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
Mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 661.0, Best ask: 662.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 661.0, 24 hour volume: 10829.52791365, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.562141616
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4600 @ 0.00021725 = 0.9994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3289999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3289999 = 0.987 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://newsbtc.com/2014/06/05/irs-says-bitcoin-fbar-reporting-tax-season-required/
assbot: IRS Says No Bitcoin FBAR Reporting This Tax Season Required | newsBTC
ThickAsThieves: for those of you who recall our tax conversation while walking around romania
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00299693 = 0.1978 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/144
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 144 Mnemonic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14513 @ 0.00086672 = 12.5787 BTC [+]
mike_c: uh, who the hell wrote that URL / title combination?
mike_c: url = "reporting required". title = "no reporting required"
punkman: mike_c: probably some retarded "SEO" plugin for Wordpress
punkman: totally makes sense to have "no" in the stoplist
FabianB: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 659.12, Best ask: 660.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 660.5, 24 hour volume: 10635.05141923, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.63550343
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.0029999 = 0.462 BTC [+]
mike_c: good for click bait. /2014/06/05/bitcoin-declared-illegal-everywhere/ "Bitcoin has not been declared illegal everywhere"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086433 = 8.2544 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: yeah bb could go /bet/786/bitcoin-berkshire-investment/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0204011 = 0.1836 BTC [-]
mike_c: ;;calc 192000 / [ticker --last]
gribble: 290.403085533
mike_c: warren's getting smacked
FabianB: []bot broken?
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 75k@202 10k@200 2k@185 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304414 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 minutes and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11758984658.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.46461
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3289999 = 0.987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0029945 = 0.1677 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000078 = 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3249 BTC [-]
artifexd: FabianB, wassup with []bot?
artifexd: Ah. Looks like it got booted.
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 164414.15 in 1987 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -77.02
Naphex: ciacada's 3301 go shake your tymbals 011011000110111101101100
Naphex: o/
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 219 Last Price: 202 24h-Vol: 237k High: 202 Low: 140 VWAP: 164
ThickAsThieves: there's a new pool
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 10k@239 5k@229 2k@219 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
ThickAsThieves: http://ispace.co.uk
assbot: iSpace Mining Pools
ThickAsThieves: i like how ATC is at the top
BingoBoingo: Nice
ThickAsThieves: I was smart enough to choose an A name
fluffypony: lol
ThickAsThieves: ABCoin
fluffypony: such smart
fluffypony: AAAAAcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10146 @ 0.00086549 = 8.7813 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: something occurs to me as i reach chapter 45 of Anathem - this is basically a quantum mechanics debate mapped over the story aspects of star wars
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140605202211
assbot: OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
benkay: petty.
BingoBoingo: Interesting
Naphex: more openssl updates.. great
BingoBoingo: I believe these were mentioned in the logs earlier today. This bite from the drama llama I haven't seen shared yet
Naphex: 1.0.1h-r1 stable'd on gentoo
kakobrekla: Last Block: long time ago < lol
BingoBoingo: Ohio: http://deadspin.com/cleveland-politician-proposes-tying-stadium-money-to-wi-1586674087
assbot: Cleveland Politician Proposes Tying Stadium Money To Wins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00086549 = 9.6537 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00281458 = 0.2955 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3279 = 0.6558 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.328 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://fittish.deadspin.com/running-coach-fired-for-running-boston-marathon-1585122341/all
assbot: Running Coach Fired For Running Boston Marathon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30000001 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140605202211 << the pill against this, as has been abundantly obvious for months to anyone who gives half a shit, is to take ssl out to the back of the shed and shoot it.
assbot: OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The OpenSSL problem is deeper than SSL sucking as so many shitpiles just reuse their functions for other crypto applications
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3289999 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i know this. the lazy will pay.
BingoBoingo: The dung beetles are already parting the shit castle and rolling it away in those shitballs as they do.
asciilifeform: they will see to it that as much of the turd as possible lives on, remains ubiquitous.
asciilifeform: incidentally, afaik every known btc miner rolled in openssl
asciilifeform: how many patched?
asciilifeform: how many idiots with miners sitting on tor (why? ask them, not me)
Mats_cd03: lol why
BingoBoingo: Hard to say. I imagine people who still brush these things off will be learning Forth in the Coal mines within a decade
asciilifeform: nah, biodiesel.
BingoBoingo: Have to distract them from the biodiesel with make work until they are needed.
asciilifeform: given the track record, one almost imagines they'll jump in the pot voluntarily, so long as it's the fashionable thing to do.
BingoBoingo: #bitcoin-assets "Where Javascript is crackpot drivel"
asciilifeform: !up mdev
mdev: thanks
mdev: just wondering, why is it so hard to talk in here
mdev: you guys have spammers or something?
asciilifeform: had.
mdev: ahh ok
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
mike_c: ;;ident mdev
gribble: Nick 'mdev', with hostmask 'mdev!~mdev@unaffiliated/mdev', is not identified.
mike_c: if you get in the WoT somebody might rate you and you can voice yourself.
asciilifeform: mdev: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m << instructions for becoming a known human and self-voicing
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.020999 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2}
mdev: what does Wot stand for?
asciilifeform: mdev: http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php << manual
assbot: #bitcoin-otc web of trust
benkay: ;;google bitcoin web of trust
gribble: #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>
kakobrekla: world of turds
kakobrekla: no wait, tanks. it was tanks.
asciilifeform: trypanosomes.
mike_c: World of Tramborghinis
mike_c: similar to 24 hours of LeMons
asciilifeform: http://cl.jroo.me/z3/l/G/p/e/a.baa-Trabant-made-as-the-movie-ca.jpg
mike_c: for those of you who have the misfortune of not knowing: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
peterl: hi
BingoBoingo: Hi
mdev: are you guys developers or mostly just traders?
mdev: trying to figure out what this channel is about, been looking at the sites in the links
peterl: stepping out to mow the lawn, will voice myself when I am back later.
asciilifeform: mdev: i'm still not 100% sure what this channel's about, and i've been here for ages.
mdev: heh
peterl: mdev this is a channel for people who are actually using bitcoins
mdev: learned on reddit that "fresh cut grass" smell, is a chemical grass releases when it's in pain
mdev: or maybe distress, so yeah, kind of depressing
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, phosgene.
asciilifeform: (if you're smelling cut grass, but there is no grass... put on your mask.)
mdev: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/re85e/til_the_smell_of_freshly_cut_grass_is_actually_a/ there's the link on it, if interested @peter1
mdev: since you're about to go mow, also thanks for the clarity, so you guys trade, very neat
benkay: lePubicMound
mdev: considering bitcoins were worth pennies a few years ago, and peaked over 1k, plus the fact they're limited
mdev: makes it hard to sell them, considering their increased value over time
benkay: mdev: i'll buy 'em lol
mdev: :)
mdev: I wonder what the early bitcoiners that spent like 1k bitcoins on pizza's think about that now
mdev: !calc
mdev: .calc
mdev: ;;calc
gribble: (calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.
mdev: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 661.6, Best ask: 663.92, Bid-ask spread: 2.32000, Last trade: 661.6, 24 hour volume: 10762.83888804, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 656.490833197
mircea_popescu: mdev, so who're you
mdev: ;;calc 661.6 x 1000
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
kakobrekla: ;;calc 1000 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 663920
kakobrekla: fyi
mdev: mircea_popsecu just a dev who's interested in bitcoins, I was quieted in #bitcoin and recommended here when I got into a disagreement about reusing addresses
mike_c: also fyi, to multiply by 1000 you just add 3 zeros ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the irony of it. who recomended it ?
kakobrekla: omg mike_c mind blown
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << if i recall, you're friends with the fellow who runs it, ask him wtf << well what's to ask ? boy likes girl, girl doesn't like boy. what would you ask him ?
kakobrekla: ;;calc [ticker --last] + 000
gribble: 661.01
kakobrekla: thar
mdev: iwilcox, I may have linked him an article about it, that
mike_c: doh, i coulda swore that worked
mircea_popescu: methinks kako is maybe not the best person to be running funds and shit
mircea_popescu: he can't even add zeros
kakobrekla: lol
benkay: 0 + 0
mircea_popescu: HOW ARE WE TO EXPECT A MOON RETURN
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps ask him how he intends to sell the gurl's favours
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if she won't even put out for him
mircea_popescu: i think ima just watch it for now :D
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: !up mdev
mdev: thanks, was the 1k+ per btc to the price it is now, solely a result of mtgox going under?
mircea_popescu: benkay [...]<< i only ever found 1 acceptable cup in bsas << no actually there;s plenty, you just need good intel :D
mircea_popescu: mdev, it uniquely had nothing to do with it.
mdev: really? what caused it then
mike_c: it was actually the reverse, the price dropping killed gox.
mircea_popescu: that's complicated.
kakobrekla: no, the killed dropped gox reverse
BingoBoingo: OMG Where's dotcoin
mircea_popescu: brokle kaka!
mike_c: obviously kako, but don't confuse him with the advanced shit yet.
mircea_popescu: !up mikaeldice
kakobrekla: myea, ill leave him to you guys.
mike_c: how'd the euro end up today? any new cool huge pictures?
mircea_popescu: o ya is it 1.4 yet ?
kakobrekla: https://charts.mql5.com/4/901/eurusd-m5-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2900001 = 0.58 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: smooth sailing
mike_c: obviously you shoulda bought at 1.35.
kakobrekla: obv!
mircea_popescu: also in the news, earlier today : argentina "hallo mr mp, in this here argentina all our keyboards are spanish" ; mp : "fuck you" ; argentina : "ok here are your english keyboards plox"
mike_c: you need some tips on this?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2900001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.00280702 = 0.3116 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: sure ;)
mike_c: buy the dip! (unless it keeps going down)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not carry 'model m' in violin case?
mircea_popescu: buy the trip!
kakobrekla notes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nope.
mircea_popescu: i enjoy seeing how the proles live now and again
asciilifeform: 'how the other half' types.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=350103.msg7137392#msg7137392
assbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: o wow that still exists huh!
mircea_popescu: allow me to reciprocate : tory black
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/05/30/toriblack-31407/images/twistys-topcover.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, why is your post gone ? did .lk delete it or what ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I made it on old forum. My guess is there are syncing problems between the two.
mircea_popescu: ah
benkay: mdev what kind of dev do you do?
mircea_popescu: the friedcat post is uncharacteristically convincing actually.
mircea_popescu: also, fingers http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/05/31/keishagrey-31669/images/full/16.jpg
asciilifeform: 'nicht fur gefingerpoken.'
mircea_popescu: pankkake: though it is definitively a weird idea << no argument there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o nicht nicht, ganz fur den fingernstossen
asciilifeform: ;;google gefingerpoken und mittengrabben
gribble: Blinkenlights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights>; “ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!” “Das ... - Loewen, Mike: <http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Blinkenlights.pdf>; Computer Humor: Just Watch the Pretty Lights - Astrodigital: <http://www.astrodigital.org/digital/achtung.html>
mircea_popescu: benkay: bitcoin "devs" are idiotically and self-destructively committed to this "no reuse" idea, ever since implementing the braindead wallet schema that creates new addrs for your change << it's not that bad of an idea. the problem is that they misrepresent it as a central point of protocol, when it's merely a marginal helper tool thing. sorta like people thinking all carpenter tables must also have a vase on them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you know the whole thing went in the logs coupla days back
asciilifeform looks
mircea_popescu: mdev: the public key argument thing, about it being exposed after the first transaction, not sure why that's an issue, RSA is based off handing out public keys, I know bitcoin uses ECDMA or whatever, but still if the public key can't be trusted << because cargo cult sekoority.
mircea_popescu: also because the bitcoinz use a vulnerable scheme.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00086493 = 9.176 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: this is the thing that always puzzled me about the alt folks. if they're meant to be 'spares' for btc, where's the one using rsa? lattice? etc
asciilifeform: nowhere to be seen
mircea_popescu: well that'd talke thinkings
asciilifeform: what thinking. crack a fsckng book, cook.
asciilifeform: no brain required
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29991 @ 0.00086612 = 25.9758 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect you don't understand what thinking actually is.
Mats_cd03: lol
mircea_popescu: "what fucking, you just sit your ass on the cock and bob up and down"
asciilifeform: if i knew what thinking actually is, i'd be talking to me pet ai right now.
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
peterl: mdev: you need to pick a better font, it's PeterL, not Peter1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3199999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but srsly, crack a book & cook, that;s it.
mircea_popescu: peterl, either that or autocomplete.
peterl: yeah, that works too
asciilifeform: thinking'd be, if i were to ask folks to cough up, say, a new pubkey algo with rigorous proof of hardness
mircea_popescu: pankkake: it's not necessarily weaker << it's in fact weak to very bad rng. it has in displayed this in the wild, on some machines for which rng = 9
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't get to arbitrarily define what's thinking tho.
asciilifeform: sure. but everyone has some kind of mental picture for what they expect a normal person to be able to do - e.g. tie a knot
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: even if everyone had the same picture, what of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/05/shrinkflation-in-usa.html << how very soviet huh.
assbot: SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: "Shrinkflation" in USA
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a kind of 'soft' deindustrialization. << if that is soft i have no idea what is hard. and also, the people making milk in their back yard are being kept in check with regulation.
mircea_popescu: same with daycare, same for sure with soap.