assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263340 << the proposition that the library of alexandria has anything to do with a bunch of bronze-age derps is ridoinculous. that event was a clear cut case of the elites of one culture wiping the elites of another culture it had defeated. this happens to be right and proper. the solving of the indian problem is nothing of the kind, but simply the elites of a culture wip
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 15:36:29; funkenstein_: I'm also not going to celebrate the destruction of the library of Alexandria because "people".
mircea_popescu: ing out a subhuman population. not quite monkey enough to be cute in a zoo, not quite human enough to be part of the world. uncanny valley all the way.
mircea_popescu: i can't believe this shit. dude srsly that's not how bitcoin works wtf. you can't just send btc back to originating addresses.
mircea_popescu: "i don't want this email so i'll just send it back to its sender".
Bingo_VACAY: Jurov seriously fees too low for ling time
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 19:04:10; jurov: in the half of the logs... now the ml is busted too?
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 19:22:45; ascii_modem: i won't ever use this.
Bingo_VACAY: Mircea_popescu nope fighting off planetary predators all weekend
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 19:57:49; btcdrak: <3 that was a pretty good score considering all the armchair lawyers who came out of the woodwork telling me I was wrong...
mircea_popescu: "bruce_fenton 4 points 10 hours ago We've tried hard to invite others in, just like I just invited you."
mircea_popescu: myeah. the problem being that most people have more sense than to lend their reputation to propping up the space's chief scam club.
Bingo_VACAY: I would personally like to tie the rope for bruce
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin foundation has no fucking future. i say this from the same fucking throne i said mtgox has no fucking future ; and bfl has no fucking future ; and so on and so forth. it does not.
mircea_popescu: moreover, saving stuff to disk is not IN ITSELF a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: you're making the jump and presuming nonsensical usage, which may be a fair assumption in general, but not necessary here.
ascii_modem: no but imho 'sig correct' is bad to cache.
mircea_popescu: if he hangs himself by the ears with a rope made out of state, that's his problem. but saving the thing is not that yet.
mircea_popescu: why ? wouldn't you want to know if it was at some point and is not now ?
Bingo_VACAY: Last night fucking white planets tried to block my clock from hot black athletic spoon, #whiteprivilege
ascii_modem: i will know because my sigs get checked every fscking time.
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Bingo_VACAY: No Gunderson to confers to actual computer
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assbot: On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1VFXivr )
thestringpuller: and that's the last time I click on a link from mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: "Thanks for not setting a reasonable restriction on transaction fees blockchain.info!" << "it's all your fault i'm a flaming maroon!"
mircea_popescu: the whole thing it's such an elaborate cake of fail...
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu Need some webhosting and a domain are you still selling hosting?
VariaVarietatis: If not you, How can I get this from the people in the wot?
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VariaVarietatis: If not out of the wot could someone recommend a good webhost?
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assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 00:27:19; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263340 << the proposition that the library of alexandria has anything to do with a bunch of bronze-age derps is ridoinculous. that event was a clear cut case of the elites of one culture wiping the elites of another culture it had defeated. this happens to be right and proper. the solving of the indian problem is nothing of the kind, but simply the elit
funkenstein_: there was no indian problem. There was a somebody gave retards weapons and they appear to be killing everything in sight problem.
funkenstein_: And for the record, your participation in an open dialog here, more in the tradition of the indian men of knowledge than the authoritarian oxbridge academics, does not make me think of you as monkeys
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funkenstein_: asciilifeform, still can't afford that chip fab?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you want dr. moreau's island for electronics...
thestringpuller: when you say "my 'island'" are you talking of hypothetical super scientist island with no budget? or current laboratory?
mircea_popescu: in other news, went on a lark to this "power dc" ac/dc tribute band in some "rock bar" here.
mircea_popescu: you should have seen this thing. a space too small to keep a woman with her sister ; 5 dollar drinks ; buncha teenaged derps dressed like pizza delivery boys, backpacks i compris. which ius why nobody had a drink.
mircea_popescu: basically, argentinian : tribute band that is not a band and no tribute, in a bar that sells no drinks to some kids that are there because they got out of the rain.
mircea_popescu: and then funkenstein_ wants to tell me about the intrinsic worth of all bipedal mouthbreathers.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ no, probably on account of electricity being too expensive.
funkenstein_: this is not my point any more than yours is to defend usgtronic idiocy
funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so then why do you conflate the two. the people i was talking about when i said iron age were the various twerps the usians killed.
mircea_popescu: the various people the spanyards killed are some other discussion.
funkenstein_: Iroquois nation sure seemed more advanced from my reading than say, washcorp
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ a lot of talk about that. point of fact is, subsistence hunters with bow and arrow.
mircea_popescu: nobody is against the study of political, philosophycal, astronautical or any other knowledge defeated tribe had.
mircea_popescu: we are however against hteir continued physical existence.
mircea_popescu: because their massacre makes the scant remaining life valuable,
funkenstein_: are we against the physical existence of monkeys?
mircea_popescu: allowing the common man some semblance of freedom and import for a short interval.
mircea_popescu: why do you think the immigrants slaughtered the indians instead of persay teaching them to farm ?
funkenstein_: you mean instead of learning from them how to farm
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mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians that know how to clean toilets" to his shopping list.
mircea_popescu: im sure they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how to do it"
funkenstein_: yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred to as satori 24
mircea_popescu: yes, of the subset of skills that are enjoyable, one enjoys more the ones that are useful and he's any good at
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable.
funkenstein_: at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked the locals where the keys to safe are before we needlessly removed their tongues"
funkenstein_: modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin techniques have never reached indian levels
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. the sort of disease that kills the hungry.
ben_vulpes: what, the hungry existed until the diseases arrived to wipe them out?
ben_vulpes: lol simply means nature comes by and wallops population numbers once in a while
mircea_popescu: in point of fact as the white man put pressure on the indians, they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food. this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots too busy fighting each other.
funkenstein_: i'm not claiming magic red men, i am claiming mentally ill - and markedly stupid - invaders
funkenstein_: i'm also claiming great denial and lack of reading of relevant historical documents
funkenstein_: e.g. scalping laws of every US state rewarding people for presenting american corpses
mircea_popescu: you mean the protocols of the learned elves of denver ?
funkenstein_: explicit doctrines of idiocy from there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are
funkenstein_: kill because can? start with own family, then all plants and animals, finally self.
funkenstein_: monkeys are fine with me, leave them there -- can eat them later if shit gets rough
mircea_popescu: you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist. that pretense doesn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.
☟︎ funkenstein_: how about lets try to learn from past mistakes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously. those showed some sign of sense.
funkenstein_: i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness
mircea_popescu: you don't get to go around putting labels on things you know.
funkenstein_: i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders
mircea_popescu: dude if your idea of wise elders is some twerps who worship the failures...
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal"
funkenstein_: that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing the world around us
mircea_popescu: "they had cars at the time this fuckwit was living in the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey thinking they unveiled the sikrits of the universe AT THE SAME TIME as people doing the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by that very fact an idiot.
mircea_popescu: humanity is a thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad."
mircea_popescu: if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks
mircea_popescu: i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party.
funkenstein_: the largest city in the world in 1500 was Tenochtitlan
mircea_popescu: fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940
funkenstein_: "They had cars" - we worship retarded usans now?
mircea_popescu: what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, remember the bar here is set for - is it worth your while to go slit a throat of somebody not bother you
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to take that myth away : tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k.
mircea_popescu: fucking ur, at the time of its beheading, was ten times that.
mircea_popescu: rome had been a million for nine or ten centuries by that point
mircea_popescu: but yes, it was by far the largest affair in the new world. because the new world sucked.
ben_vulpes: (asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have that you want but do not have?)
mircea_popescu: they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at the slightest provocation. like every other case in history.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo! then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive!
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mircea_popescu: check it out btw, almost like topless daughter of president
gabriel_laddel: Maxima is neato, but the ALGOL interface to all the goodies sucks.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel come to think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune thing
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: already downloaded it ;-) but will probably stick with Macsyma.
gabriel_laddel: erm let me unpack derive.zip and see wtf is in here then
gabriel_laddel: nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources.
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funkenstein_: well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 04:24:17; funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.
funkenstein_: Stannard's scholarship is remarkable. 60 pages of references, in documents he turned up in one of his volume.
funkenstein_: It may be possible for a person to know something about history of the America's without reading him, but surely the responsibility is on the person to so demonstrate.the
funkenstein_: Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them"
funkenstein_: "never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me"
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funkenstein_: good night gents, my apologies for the not so lighthearted topics
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gribble: The average time to generate a block at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7757 years, 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 1000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 2 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 11325.6481481 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 684 years, 48 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 44 seconds
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 56628240.74 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 17 seconds
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 113256481.48 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 8 seconds
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mircea_popescu: the gentlemen investors as well as the armchair financiers may find the 2nd part of ^ interesting
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punkman: do you have to milk the goose daily?
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punkman: every time I end up on instagram, I can't believe all the pictures are 640pixels and people use it
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vextor: hello, a week ago I reported that Phuctor is broken when new keys are submitted
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vextor: mircea_popescu noted that the bignum arithmetic often hobbled the machine, and to wait a few hours
vextor: I did so, and also noted the Phuctor statistics. the number of keys to process was gradually going down
vextor: over the course of the week, the number of Moduli Waiting for Test has now decreased to 601
vextor: but it has been stuck on this figure for several days
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vextor: I assume that when the number of moduli to test reaches 0, then key submission will work again?
vextor: if there's anything I can do to help new submissions work again, please let me know
vextor: submissions are, naturally, still broken
vextor: I'll be watching the logs in case my services are needed
shinohai: I think phuctor is down, but will have to ask asciilifeform when he gets here
vextor: thanks to shinohai for the voice
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the shitgnome responsble for
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: mains-currenting his box, and so i think phuctor is in limbo for the moment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.00071388 = 53.4696 BTC [+] {5}
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bingoboingo you'd appreciate the local gravity distortion in the 24-hour cafe this morning
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gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform `for i in $(shasum -a 512 patches/* | awk '{print $1}'); do python v.py patches o $1; done` returns "No origin found." for all patches. i've not successfully run 'origin' yet.
ben_vulpes: ^^ from a vanilla vdemo tar, unless i'm horribly mistaken.
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ben_vulpes: so that'd be the hash of a "pressing"?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 04:21:27; asciilifeform: it is mainly because my disk is littered with 1,001 copies of therealbitcoin tree
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh
kakobrekla: id like to throw* one on that mini arm computer cloud at some point
kakobrekla: they just sliced prices down, assuming not popular
kakobrekla: i got a second mircorserver that will be another home node (amd, ecc, raid) that is on my bench waiting to be assembled for a couple of weeks now.
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ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 23:54:25; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo
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trinque: ;;later tell funkenstein_ If only Cortes hadn't destroyed the Mesoamerican time machine, you could travel back and set everything right.
trinque: This preoccupation with what should've happened misses the process by which things *actually happen* by a wide berth.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it is only of middling nifty-ness.
ben_vulpes: i of course neglected the test incantations.
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ben_vulpes: eradication of global state and testability.
ben_vulpes: in all honesty, it is a relic of testing from before i had the args objects mocked out.
ben_vulpes: c_wot, for instance, has no business knowing about all sorts of things in args.
ben_vulpes: i /abhor/ functions that take the whole environment as their input arguments.
ben_vulpes: i've not touched the arg parsing itself.
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ben_vulpes: i don't think i understand their use well enough to complain in detail.
ben_vulpes: i know what it is, silly. just not the places where it's used. yet.
ben_vulpes: but looky here. you've written a thing that more-or-less must be tested as a whole, and i'm trying to push for testing the bits.
ben_vulpes: and this is why the global state drives me up a wall. because i cannot import one of these functions from the script and then run it without setting up a global environment for it. it's difficult to reason about the code lacks locality.
ben_vulpes: yes, i have only written 'happy path' tests.
ben_vulpes: and no, i have not yet ginned up the tree-fuzzer.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: add it back into the todos :P
punkman: asciilifeform: I just noticed this earlier when I looked at press, will apply every single patch up to HEAD
punkman: asciilifeform: I only thought about it for 5 min but it seems like the solution to this would be a bit complex
punkman: I think I might hook it up to graphviz for visualization
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ben_vulpes: time to manually generate some svgs, eh?
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ben_vulpes: but the dream of distributed marketplaces is alive in #otc.
ben_vulpes: ahaha look at all of these python tabs i can close now
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i'm off to a baby shower
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gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
gribble: You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
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ag3nt_zer0: have you ever read anything on schuon?
ag3nt_zer0: well, imo he is entirely worth reading
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ag3nt_zer0: and I suppose, for me, that there are minds I quite respect in this room, yours among them, and would hope to hear any thoughts...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely telling me to take my patches and go home?
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure I ended up at
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com due to you referencing the unspell project... do you have any more leads on smart blogs for geopolitics/economics etc?
ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself.
☟︎ trinque spends weeks on a song in Renoise to find it wont export WAVs
trinque: nah, if I ever get this one to export maybe I'll throw on the www
trinque: but I'm solidly in the hobbyist category
trinque: this might be the first one I'm at all pleased with
ag3nt_zer0: on another topic, I wonder is there anything a programming illiterate, or super noob relative to the experience level in here, can do to make himself useful to the ongoing labors of this group?
jurov: ag3nt_zer0: there's qntra, for example
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: should you wanna take care of that literacy, I've got a chick going through that interactive SICP, seems to be working out for her
trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: kakobrekla: well I used to think I was a decent wordsmith until I stumbled onto trilema contravex and loperos haha... but yeah perhaps qntra is something to aspire to contribute to...
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: heh, ego solvent, this place is, eh?
trinque: but better to know yourself and improve
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andychase: Hey BingoBoingo! Copying&Pasting my email now:
andychase: I read your article called "Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken" and I was wondering what your thoughts might be on my recent [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process proposal.
andychase: Although to be honest I had a hard time understanding fully what you were talking about in regards to the flaws in the BIP process. Was it just that the Core Devs hadn't really talked to the miners or understood what was going on?
BingoBoingo: Honestly it is really too late for further BIPs to really be considered at all
andychase: Hm, what do you mean? There's quite a few being considered right now and all the time.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but the least controversial one (BIP 66) still created a huge shitshow when it was triggered.
mats: how do you define stake anyway
andychase: Well BIP66 fixed a consensus fork for miners running 32-Bit and 64-Bit computers, the shitshow happened because miners weren't validating blocks
BingoBoingo: andychase: But the fix in BIP 66 was the least controversial thing in the world and it was a very difficult change because Bitcoin is an actual consensus system.
mats: 'stake in the Bitcoin ecosystem' seems written specifically not to mean anything useful
BingoBoingo: If the BIP to enforce stricter signature encoding standards nearly failed, how is any other BIP to succeed now?
andychase: @mats: For miners it means hashpower
andychase: @mats: Merchants it means economic activity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00072986 = 10.8019 BTC [-] {2}
mats: how about: sign an address with 145,830 coins and maybe you actually have a stake
andychase: but for merchants that might work, if they'd be up to reaching into their cold wallets
andychase: @bingoboingo: The BIP66 change was easy to "fix", just upgrade your clients and make sure a majority is upgrading before activating
shinohai: That statement caused me to eject beer from my nose ....
mats: how many 'oops' hard forks are we up to now? three?
andychase: I think you guys know what I meant :) You can upgrade your btcd client the same way to recieve the BIP66 changes
BingoBoingo: mats: Do the several BIP 66 forks all count as one, or do we have to go back and count them all
mats: eye of the beholder and all that
BingoBoingo: ANd seriously what the fuck is an "upgrade"
andychase: raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.
andychase: yeah so in your case an upgrade would be replacing components, raising the satoshi client to a higher standard
andychase: I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol
andychase: currently the system is the core devs decide
mats: core devs don't decide anything.
andychase: well for bips, they decide, and other clients like btcd take their bips into consideration
andychase: I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin
shinohai: "make their opinion validated"
andychase: Basically make your opinion matter by proving that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of the Bitcoin ecosystem
shinohai: I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated.
shinohai: I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community
andychase: If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin
andychase: I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon
andychase: also reddit.com/u/tytyty_ on reddit
assbot: andychase is not registered in WoT.
assbot: RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSAappear broken (and possibly backdoored) | ___ ... (
http://bit.ly/1JZR59A )
ag3nt_zer0: "A patent example of the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for the most part all modern thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of the world that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible. There are only two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge that is therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves that existen
ag3nt_zer0: then its own promulgation is impossible since in the existentialist universe there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection."
mircea_popescu: hey most intelligent person in japan, that were on tokyofashion thingee, drop a line.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail to understand stuff written in french through the age old process of not being able to read it ?
ag3nt_zer0: which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw
mircea_popescu: well he totally missed it and doesn't even have the excuse of not speaking the language.
mircea_popescu: but the quote you presented disqualifies him from discussing sartre.
ag3nt_zer0: from my perspective, which may or may not matter, he doesn't seem to be one to be lightly dismissed
ag3nt_zer0: he's right up there with evola and guenon
mircea_popescu: for the following reason : existentialism is the first (and the most logically successful) of the "postmodernisms", taken eventually to their extreme lolzitude by lacan and his unselfaware progeny in the us ("radical feminists" and whatnot).
mircea_popescu: what this means in easily digestible terms among software people is that existentialism is a class.
mircea_popescu: this means you can not use symbols such as "contradiction" without havind properly defined an existentialism.contradiction constructor in the very group.
ag3nt_zer0: hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context
mircea_popescu: but the behaviour would seem to indicate ~you~ think he's easily dismissed.
ag3nt_zer0: my entire reason for posting links to this material is that I find it hard to dismiss - hoping that some of the minds in here might check out the longforms and tell me what they think...
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, i don't readily see a way to construct this "existentialism is fail because its idea of reality precludes itself" into meaningful criticism.
mircea_popescu: all it can conceivably achieve is form minor dismissals in the minds here that hadn't prior bothered to consider
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: if frithjof schuon is illiterate then I must be less than a dog
mircea_popescu wasn't there, hasn't seen, everyone on internet ~= dog.
mircea_popescu: i'm a perfectly illiterate chinese scholar, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: kinda why like bombama, i abstain from "oh china is self contradictory" emissions.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh
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anton_osika: Hello guys, I am having issues with phunctor as you might have guessed.
anton_osika: I got my hands cut off so I cannot make signatures; laptop stolen and broken backup. Got any tips for me?
shinohai: Use your feet to pull the trigger on the shotgun.
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punkman: wants to test new key perhaps?
anton_osika: I do have ultimate respect for the WoT. Hence I want to have a valid keypair for communicating with goodfellas here.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 15:57:46; asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now)
shinohai: You're welcome anton_osika my advice is free on Sundays :D
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 16:01:36; asciilifeform: with internal battery.
punkman punkman wants to hear more about defending against bitrot
anton_osika: shinohai: Excellent. Could you also advice me on how to successfully invite mircea_popescu for dinner at my home in Stockholm?
shinohai: I suppose the same way you would ask any gentleman to dinner.
shinohai: Als, the fail is strong in this one:
punkman: shinohai, whole commit is peppered with credentials to various systems
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assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 16:07:45; asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 16:14:41; kakobrekla: but, no time.
mircea_popescu: im not even talking one exceptionally well trained gf. that won't cut it.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I liked your piece on formalised identity based trust system (WoT). Are there any attempts at extending it to our physical existances such as property?
punkman: !rate backyard 9 it makes fruit?
assbot: backyard is not registered in WoT.
shinohai: !rate DatAss 1 Because ... dat ass
assbot: DatAss is not registered in WoT.
punkman: well if you own dat ass, it can get in wot
shinohai: I'll have her come register later when I'm done blowing it up.
anton_osika: My situation as of now is that there is nothing to strictly verify a former fingerprint. However I am the unique holder of the name AntonOsika in Sweden, publicly registered with physical address, so you if you are passing by please find me and I would provide generous housing.
punkman: register with new fingerprint, nobody knew the old one anyway
anton_osika: Well I believe mircea_popescu would honor a contract where the couterparty has no competition at identifying himself. It would be pleasant to extend the notion of trust to identity in the physical domain however.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika what part of property do you imagine is physical ?
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anton_osika: Well ownership is nothing physical but the underlying. What arguably makes land different is that one can lets ones physical embodiment be placed on the land, and this can be recognised / unchallenged by others
gribble: Time since last block: 56 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 16:39:54; ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again?
mircea_popescu: fucking subtle undebuggable bullshit, "oh we figured out you're using something of ours, here, it's broken now"
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 16:59:13; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot
mircea_popescu: these fucking idiots. so eulora is based on modifying work by others. those others have done the following thing : the dialogue of a npc is contained in a table. that table has fields. those fields are "reply 1" "reply 2" and so up to 5. why to 5 ?
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE IT IS A RULE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT ALL THINGS HAVE 5 REPLIES!!1
mircea_popescu: this is how you use databases now, by counting the fucking fileds.
punkman: mircea_popescu: very common with mysql folks
mircea_popescu: field1, field2 and who the fuck was responsible with raping these idiots as 5yo and discarding the bloodied remains in a ditch did a horrible job
mircea_popescu: the same thing is observed not just here, but THROUGHOUT
mircea_popescu: and is not limited to the db. here, have a magic number in code, because THAT IS WHAT CODE IS FOR!11
mircea_popescu: these are the unfortunate results downstream of insufficient five year olds being raped to death and discarded in a ditch.
anton_osika: antonosika has to sign a document stating the location of delivery. He however involuntarily lost his hands. So he can't sign documents anymore.
anton_osika: That's why I'm harassing mircea_popescu until I make him smile.
anton_osika: So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor.
☟︎ anton_osika: And again, my physical embodiment is openly registered, if you are in the neighbourhood mircea_popescu. And I might not be as dumb as it seems from the backup policies ..
mircea_popescu is still raging over the db thing. who the fuck does this. who the fuck makes labels for items in a database WITH THEIR OWN BAKED IN INDEXES!
mircea_popescu: the moment you go to write "field"+number you should fucking realise YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
punkman: anton_osika's ETH contract
mircea_popescu: ah, that. he never fulfilled his obligations under it iirc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0007251 = 4.4956 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!
☟︎ thestringpuller: "Fellow miners, Some of you receive emails and phone calls from developers. I am not big enough to get that treatment." << LOL. And this is why you side with BIP-101
punkman: should have generated ETH address to put in contract
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punkman: I think they had published enough code then and they had some stupid application for direct buyers
punkman: PSA: print your ascii-armored keys out. don't use a xerox.
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mircea_popescu: the one point nobody seems to have noticed re that : use mp style fonts (14 point bold) you won't have a problem.
mircea_popescu: use shitass cheapo "businessman" 8 pt thin sans, you're asking to be fucked.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 17:05:49; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 17:17:54; asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 17:35:40; asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there /
mircea_popescu: but more of a fleamarket thing than an electronics supply shop thing
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 18:01:41; asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
punkman: mircea_popescu: orphaned is not the right word there, consider that if the last two patches in your V set create two branches, you can't choose a branch. V will try to apply both and doesn't check filehashes during the patching process.
mircea_popescu: moreover, something like this might actually be a perfect solution for my marketplace idea too. i wanna buy all sorts of things like 3d models etc.
mircea_popescu: btw punkman would you be interested in implementing a otc-marketplace clone ?
ag3nt_zer0: "Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash"
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mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 to my eyes this is more a failure of western society than of whittaker himself.
mircea_popescu: i can readily believe that most of the problem was, jack fully expected to be able to BUY THINGS FOR HIS MONEY.
mircea_popescu: he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys.
mircea_popescu: the notion that you'd take as much as 500 bucks to a us strip club...
mircea_popescu: seriously, at that level of service they should be paying you to even go.
punkman: mircea_popescu: sure, but can't sysadmin the box it lives on (and don't want to fight ddos other than making application cache better and whatnot)
mircea_popescu: it's more work to be a us strip club customer than to work there.
mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here.
mircea_popescu: however! it occurs to me this actually would work splendidly with deeds.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by this? "he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys."
mircea_popescu: trinque listen, would you consider creating a special deed template, which if satisfied gets taken to amarketplace listing sort-of like otc ? searchable is the important part.
trinque: yeah, that doesn't sound too hard
assbot: Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1KUTdAo )
trinque: may require freedom-of-speech friendly hosting, depending on what's bought and sold
kakobrekla: speaking of searchable, current deeds are not if im correct?
trinque: correct; haven't done that yet
trinque: so far it's a single page; though this marketplace will likely call for a db
trinque: I will probably still take the flat file approach otherwise; I prefer it
trinque: mircea_popescu: very easy to implement.
trinque: yeah sounds great. WoT needs a buy/sell board
trinque: got a recommendation for non-aws hosting?
trinque: I've wanted to move deedbot- off that for a while anyway
trinque: that'd work once I'm in Houston, as I'm moving my blockchains all onto my own network once there
trinque: I don't suppose they'd offer enough space for one?
trinque: oh, it looks like they in fact do offer a great deal of space
mircea_popescu: trinque im full and before moving i wanna see if jurov actually comes through with something usable
trinque: mats: experience with them?
mircea_popescu: once you get the search engine for this, prolly can be applied to deeds too
trinque: yep, can be something like categories for particular deeds maybe, this being a "buy/sell"
mircea_popescu: but re the "depending on what's bought and sold", i personally have no qualms whatsoever with negrating into the ground folks who put shit in the board.
mats: trinque: good support, used em a decade ago to host ecommerce sites
trinque: yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge
mats: i still hear good things about them on the interwebs so i think they've maintained quality since
mats: in fact i think alf does?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <trinque> yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge << Part of the point of a WoT is keeping out people who's publically list such a thing
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;)
☟︎ trinque: o what trolling have I brought upon meself
assbot: You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot.
trinque: anyhow, sounds like a great idea; I will start hacking on it in spare cycles
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. << myeah, last attempt didn't work out too well, and I'd rather make my yearly sysadmining allotment shrink than grow
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, what planet would you prefer to live on?
funkenstein_: trinque, lol. no, I said no "shouldas". The exercise is to learn from history. But since you mention it, how about alexander the great conquering the new world instead of retarded puritan rejects?
mircea_popescu: i suspek so, buyt hey, let the man stand on his words.
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trinque: funkenstein_: my point was that you are seeing value in people who could not defend themselves. seems to me that's a prerequisite of being valuable in any other way.
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trinque: or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how come in every fucking conflict it's the men that dioe and the women that survive ?
trinque: looks from the faces of south americans that some did survive...
mircea_popescu: i suppose the reason mexicans today are short stocky dwarves is that the spanish mutated.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc)
☟︎ pete_dushenski: y-3 was my favourite clothing brand, once upon a time when i cared about such things. ideal collision of sportiness, haute fashion, japaneseness, and obscure brand cachet
pete_dushenski: i still have a y-3 hoodie and basketball jersey in my closet
pete_dushenski: the y-3 'football cleats' were possibly the coolest shoes i ever owned. easily my all-time faves.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 18:25:54; ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 18:41:35; kakobrekla: lets turn this around, what _can_ you do?
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 18:46:34; trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 04:42:06; mircea_popescu: must kill because can.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you might misjudge your can on that score.
funkenstein_: because I was under the impression you were encouraging us to have direction and intent in our efforts
trinque: mircea_popescu: nah, she's got a few screws loose and doesn't see fit to let me handle 'em with a screwdriver
trinque: neh, she can find her own way here if she does
trinque leaves a trail of productive women behind him
mircea_popescu: why leave ? why not just you know, have them love each other.
trinque: culturally retarded is why
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 19:42:24; andychase: That's "vote by how much money you have"
trinque: nah that's a different one
mircea_popescu: what, a woman can'tr vote for clinton if she wants to now ?!
trinque: to summarize, demanding equality while psychologically needing me to set the boundaries
trinque: mircea_popescu: can vote however she likes; that's just a different chick
mircea_popescu: dude if that's your criteria you've excluded a supermajority
mircea_popescu: but anyway, enough of this pestering guy into a discussion of things he didn't particularly care to discuss.
trinque: I know others that rock my goddamn boat less, and get more done
mircea_popescu: i think longer amount of letter numbers is better bips
funkenstein_: gotta run sorry, i need a dozen like kakobrekla does - have a good weekend y'all
btcdrak: also, the question is sort of bogus. Blocksize does not help bitcoin scale.
punkman: davout's BIP000 is the only credible choice
btcdrak: the question needs to be something like "What is the best proposal for blocksize" or whatever
mircea_popescu: btcdrak it is always easier to "rainse awareness" and "solve" problems you imagined than doing something useful.
btcdrak: new altcoin idea: zeroblock.
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me is pretty well amused as to how the color revolution experts got color revolutioned up the ass, so hard their head's spinning.
mircea_popescu: you hear that nuland ? you ain't got the resources to compete. not good enough.
punkman: bulldozer was totally the best color
mircea_popescu: the entire decapitation of gavin thing, with its attendant disbelief on the enemy side and misallocation of resources/misinvestment of assets in dead pockets was such a major defeat for the usg, "the tikrit offensive"'s nothing compared.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, i'm sure "if they really wanted to", meta-etc and so forth, things could have been very different bla bla)
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 21:26:48; mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!
punkman: what, two people showed up to ask about phuctor not working today
mircea_popescu: (i took mine out, because they fucktardedly started using javscript google captcha)
punkman: google captcha: the only captcha that works, and only because google knows everyone
pete_dushenski: "Here in Seattle, where the first stage of a $15-an-hour minimum wage law took effect in April, Ivar’s seafood restaurants switched to an all-inclusive menu. By raising prices 21 percent and ending tipping, Bob C. Donegan, the president and co-owner, calculated he could increase everyone’s wages." << welcome to japan. i guess the pearl harbour invasion stuck after all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00072579 = 13.6449 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: what does the all-inclusive menu and no tipping add?
mircea_popescu: nothing. who the fuck eats "all inclusive", waht is this, ivar's school cafeteria ?
pete_dushenski: "The No. 1 complaint from customers? The prohibition on tips. So while the menu still states that prices include service, the credit card slips now have a line that reads: “If you INSIST on leaving a tip, write it here.”" << mkay this is the icing on the stupid cake. at least in japan, leaving a tip is tantamount to slapping the server's mother with your flaccid cock.
pete_dushenski: but in the united states of workerdignity, you can't leave a tip. unless you do.
pete_dushenski: and of course, the server will still be tickled pink because that's the ~culture~
pete_dushenski: goddam socialists always trying to superimpose utopia and shove a square peg in a round hole
punkman: tipping every single idiot seems quite strange to me
pete_dushenski: you mean every server at every meal ? or kitchen staff ?
pete_dushenski: because i agree that kitchen staff should take their salary and shut up
pete_dushenski: though here, 'tip splitting' is the de facto food insdustry standard
pete_dushenski: the kitchen always gets a cut, so a server might only see 3-4% of a 10% tip, so she won't be too pleased
punkman: you do a good job, or maybe your ass looked good, or I just felt like it, you get a tip
pete_dushenski: to the point where i've seen credit card and debit card terminals that ask if you want to tip one of three pre-selected amounts : 15%, 20%, or 25%.
pete_dushenski: i'm pretty sure there are even 20-25-30 ones about, which is lunacy on a stick
pete_dushenski: nothing irks me quite like holier-than-thou bellboys though, once had one in nyc who flat-out rejected $2. "not enough". because 0>2 in his fucking sandfilled head
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mircea_popescu: ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter.
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shinohai: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online.
punkman: "According to the FAQ, a total of 185 secret bugs leaked. Of those, Mozilla categorizes 53 as "severe vulnerabilities." The oldest of those went unpatched for 335 or more days"
punkman: when do we start making a browser?
punkman: well yeah they had important "Features" to work on first
shinohai: I'd like a browser that doesn't break every time it updates every 3 days
jurov: coinbr progress report: there's light in the end of tunnel, analysis of last two mixed up orders left